Carol lies about her "boyish figure" comment to Lauren

[cfromhx02]

She told us that "she just forgets" IE forgets what she is saying sometimes, in regards to Lauren telling her that she didn't really like being told she had a boyish figure.

No surprise there then, Carol behaving true to form and not happy at openly bitching, makes out she didn't know what she was doing. Rubbish. She seems like an intelligent person to me, apart from being nasty of course, so usually knows what is behind what she says

and she seemed totally in control of herself when she came out with that comment on the couch with Lauren & Courtney.

So in control of when she said it that she turned to Courtney and said yeah I remember seeing a picture of her when she was a boy.

At first of course the usual excuse is trotted out by anyone who thinks they have the right to say anything they like IE I was only telling the truth.

Now Carol makes out she didn't even know what she was saying.

[Kazanne]

Lauren DOES have a boyish figure,as do a lot of women.

[fingers]

Lauren DOES have a boyish figure,as do a lot of women.

Especially obvious when she is tottering about on High Heels!

[Benjamin]

I'm not even watching CBB but I swear the only threads I see form you in the side bar are OTT hate filled ones for carol. :crazy:

[erinp5]

Carol did apologise to Lauren for being tactless ,I watched it and I can say Carol did not mean it in a malicious way.

[kistar]

At least she didn't tell Lauren she looks a bit weird because that's what we are all thinking.

[MatthewS]

Odd that she'd try and cover it up by conveniently forgetting it.

Kind of a rude comment in general given that Lauren obviously wants to be known as a woman and legally is one. A valid point nonetheless though, no matter what she's done cosmetically, her figure is what it is, a boys.

[Jennifereliza]

Carol always makes excuses for the things she says...after the event. She has no problem asking really straightforward sometimes rude questions, yet if anyone dare ask her a personal straightforward question she gets very defensive. She can't on next woth other people on a compassionate level....her connection is through put downs and judgement.

[fingers]

She apologised, I saw it, and Lauren accepted that it was not maliciously intended.

[Pincho Paxton]

Carol has to say the meanest thing she can think of to each housemate. Sometimes she has to back down to get away with it. In Lauren's case she depended on Lauren to not notice that she was backing down from an insult. Lauren did not take it to heart, Lauren did not notice that Carol backed down from her accusation with Sophie either. It is Lauren's good nature that lets Carol say what she wants.

[fingers]

Carol has to say the meanest thing she can think of to each housemate. Sometimes she has to back down to get away with it. In Lauren's case she depended on Lauren to not notice that she was backing down from an insult. Lauren did not take it to heart, Lauren did not notice that Carol backed down from her accusation with Sophie either. It is Lauren's good nature that lets Carol say what she wants.

Yes indeed, some of us forget that Lauren is so good natured and has such a warm and loveable personality and above all is SO ENTERTAINING that we tend to forget what a real bitch she can be when not trying to win CBB.

[Kazanne]

Yes indeed, some of us forget that Lauren is so good natured and has such a warm and loveable personality and above all is SO ENTERTAINING that we tend to forget what a real bitch she can be when not trying to win CBB.

Exactly fingers,she hasn't always been nice to people.

[Pincho Paxton]

Yes indeed, some of us forget that Lauren is so good natured and has such a warm and loveable personality and above all is SO ENTERTAINING that we tend to forget what a real bitch she can be when not trying to win CBB.

Only CBB counts. If Carol goes on a new show, and says that she no longer wants to be a bitch, she can win the next show instead.

[AnnieK]

When carol apologised about saying it and said she forgets...I took it to mean she forgets that Lauren is transgendered and so could take offence at a comment like that. As Kaz said a lot of women, many models, have boyish figures and it's to seen as an insult. Lauren needed to tell carol she felt offended but I do believe carol didn't mean it maliciously at all...

[CaudleHalbard]

Lauren accepted the apology quite happily.

I suspect that Lauren is actually quite pleased people forget about the transgendering.......... and this would far outweigh any offence taken about the 'boyish figure'.

[kistar]

Lauren accepted the apology quite happily.

I suspect that Lauren is actually quite pleased people forget about the transgendering.......... and this would far outweigh any offence taken about the 'boyish figure'.

Exactement

[Videostar]

Carol did apologise to Lauren for being tactless ,I watched it and I can say Carol did not mean it in a malicious way.

I hate to say it, but I agree with you. :joker:

[Pincho Paxton]

I think Carol thought... "What's the worst thing that I could say to Lauren?" "That she looks like a boy." "But that will be seen on TV as very incorrect." "So I will say it, and then change it to boyish figure." "Then Lauren may blow up, and then she can't win."

That's how I read it.

[Nedusa]

I was quite shocked at Carols use of wording to Lauren that involved the words boy or boyish as this is clearly provocative bearing in mind Lauren's history and transgender background. I for one like carol very much but have to admit to being slightly shocked at her use of this type of language . I wonder if it was done for effect to upset and wind up Lauren perhaps to solicit a reaction.... Hmmmm

[Tozzie]

I'm not quite sure why she felt the need to make the comment at all, by all means think it but was it really necessary to say it out loud.

[Livia]

Lauren does have a boyish figure, as some people have already said. It wasn't mean as an insult, I'm sure. Surely people should be relaxed about Lauren and who she is, and not have to watch every single thing they say in case she's offended. Wouldn't that be far worse, if people were always on egg shells worrying about what they can and can't say? It's not like Carol made some kind of serious, thought-through phobic comment.

[CaudleHalbard]

Lauren can't help having a boyish figure. Even sticking on a pair of fake boobs will never change that.

[swanny123]

I,m sick & tired of people treading on egg shells all around lauren - she above anyone else knew EXACTLY what the show & contestants can be like & has spent years pleading to go in !she DOES have a boyish figure & also if anyone has seen her on cbbbots as a so called "fashion advisor" they would know she makes some awful remarks about the people & their clothes - I think she has a mental problem & shouldn,t have been allowed in in the first place - I doubt very much wether the house mates have any true feelings for her they just tolerate her in the nicest possible way

[swanny123]

At least she didn't tell Lauren she looks a bit weird because that's what we are all thinking.

the womans a freak !!! & if anyone has seen the programme that was made of whole family which brought it out into the open what a load of con artists they ALL are you would have seen that lauren is anything but "sweet" & innocent

[fingers]

I think Carol thought... "What's the worst thing that I could say to Lauren?" "That she looks like a boy." "But that will be seen on TV as very incorrect." "So I will say it, and then change it to boyish figure." "Then Lauren may blow up, and then she can't win."

That's how I read it.

Total speculation!

[Pincho Paxton]

Total speculation!

Well she did go around the room picking out something wrong with each person when Ron was there.

[fingers]

Well she did go around the room picking out something wrong with each person when Ron was there.

That doesn't alter the fact that what you wrote is sheer speculation.

[Northern Monkey]

Meh,Carol is entitled to say Lauren has a boyish figure if that's what she thinks.Lauren did'nt like it,Carol appologised,Lauren accepted it,End of.Lauren could say that Carol has a face like a ballsack,Appologise next day then it is up to Carol wether she accepts the appology,If she does,Cool,No harm done.No biggy really.

[Pincho Paxton]

That doesn't alter the fact that what you wrote is sheer speculation.

Your speculation was caught out, mine hasn't been so I'm safe.

[Tozzie]

Lauren does have a boyish figure, as some people have already said. It wasn't mean as an insult, I'm sure. Surely people should be relaxed about Lauren and who she is, and not have to watch every single thing they say in case she's offended. Wouldn't that be far worse, if people were always on egg shells worrying about what they can and can't say? It's not like Carol made some kind of serious, thought-through phobic comment.

I wouldn't feel like I was walking on eggshells, I just wouldn't have said that in the first place

[CaudleHalbard]

I presume Carol was drunk when she said it..... without thinking.

Lauren seemed unbothered.

[Tozzie]

I presume Carol was drunk when she said it..... without thinking.

Lauren seemed unbothered.

Carol doesnt give a flying eff what she says, end of

[Livia]

I wouldn't feel like I was walking on eggshells, I just wouldn't have said that in the first place

So you'd have been filtering your comments, however innocent they might be, because of Lauren's extreme sensitivity. If that's not walking on eggshells, I'm not sure what is.

[Vanessa]

I think Lauren took no offence. Carol meant no harm.

[anne666]

Carol did apologise to Lauren for being tactless ,I watched it and I can say Carol did not mean it in a malicious way.

Yes she did. they were in the bedroom the next morning and Lauren came over to her and said she was a bit upset by her comment. Carol immediately apologised profusely. She meant that Lauren needed to eat more, which she is doing, to look more womanly and curvy, which Lauren also agreed with.Lauren isn't the shrinking violet that some make her out to be and confronts people when she is upset.

[Marmalite]

Carol has to say the meanest thing she can think of to each housemate. Sometimes she has to back down to get away with it. In Lauren's case she depended on Lauren to not notice that she was backing down from an insult. Lauren did not take it to heart, Lauren did not notice that Carol backed down from her accusation with Sophie either. It is Lauren's good nature that lets Carol say what she wants.


Oh give over!

If Carol had said that to someone like Sophie (who also has a boyish figure) no one would've batted an eyelid. There was no way Carol meant it in as an insult.

Just because Lauren has had a sex change doesn't mean everyone has to walk around on egg shells being careful about how and what they say in case idiots take it as insults!

Carol said she herself has a boyish figure... was she insulting herself as well then?

Let's all put Loopy Lauren on a pedestal and wrap her up in cotton wool in case the big, bad, mean world makes her upset.

[mr rochester]

Yes she did. they were in the bedroom the next morning and Lauren came over to her and said she was a bit upset by her comment. Carol immediately apologised profusely. She meant that Lauren needed to eat more, which she is doing, to look more womanly and curvy, which Lauren also agreed with.Lauren isn't the shrinking violet that some make her out to be and confronts people when she is upset.


Yes I agree with this. Lauren did tell Carol afterwards and then she patted Carol as a gesture of comfort to Carol. I don't think Carol deserved any comfort because she was rude and unkind saying that to Lauren. I was pleased that Lauren had a good long think about it (no knee jerk reaction) and then raised it a good while later.

[Pincho Paxton]

Oh give over!

If Carol had said that to someone like Sophie (who also has a boyish figure) no one would've batted an eyelid. There was no way Carol meant it in as an insult.

Just because Lauren has had a sex change doesn't mean everyone has to walk around on egg shells being careful about how and what they say in case idiots take it as insults!

Carol said she herself has a boyish figure... was she insulting herself as well then?

Let's all put Loopy Lauren on a pedestal and wrap her up in cotton wool in case the big, bad, mean world makes her upset.

She said to Sophie 'Trout face' not boyish figure. See the similarity?

[fingers]

Your speculation was caught out, mine hasn't been so I'm safe.

Safe from WHAT?

[Pincho Paxton]

Safe from WHAT?

I'm using speculation based on evidence, and you are using speculation based against the evidence. That safe.

[Marmalite]

She said to Sophie 'Trout face' not boyish figure. See the similarity?



No.

[Pincho Paxton]

No.

The similarity is that she chooses to offend. Not to give helpful criticism.

[fingers]

I'm using speculation based on evidence, and you are using speculation based against the evidence. That safe.

For someone who claims this on his Twitter account > "Genius is an insult to my intelligence!" it seems you are simply looking for arguments.

[Pincho Paxton]

For someone who claims this on his Twitter account > "Genius is an insult to my intelligence!" it seems you are simply looking for arguments.

Last night you were saying that Lauren had contact with a member of her family, there was no evidence last night. I said that my speculation was safe, because there was evidence of my speculation. Today there is evidence that Lauren spoke to her mom, I now go with that safe evidence. That is how science works. It is the correct way to do things. That is intelligence.

[Marmalite]

The similarity is that she chooses to offend. Not to give helpful criticism.


There was no intention of offending Lauren. She said she has a boyish figure because she is too thin and that if she gained some weight she would be more curvy, to which Lauren agreed. She (Carol) then went on to say (as I have already said) that she too has a boyish figure.

So there is no similarity and besides Sophie does have a trout pout and Lauren does have a boyish figure.

[fingers]

Last night you were saying that Lauren had contact with a member of her family, there was no evidence last night. I said that my speculation was safe, because there was evidence of my speculation. Today there is evidence that Lauren spoke to her mom, I now go with that safe evidence. That is how science works. It is the correct way to do things. That is intelligence.You're baiting but I'm not biting.

[Pincho Paxton]

There was no intention of offending Lauren. She said she has a boyish figure because she is too thin and that if she gained some weight she would be more curvy, to which Lauren agreed. She (Carol) then went on to say (as I have already said) that she too has a boyish figure.

So there is no similarity and besides Sophie does have a trout pout and Lauren does have a boyish figure.

We can all insult people with honesty, it is no excuse.

[Pincho Paxton]

You're baiting but I'm not biting.

More speculation with no facts.

[Marmalite]

We can all insult people with honesty, it is no excuse.


So you agree that Carol did not mean it as a deliberate insult then.

Well done!

[Pincho Paxton]

So you agree that Carol did not mean it as a deliberate insult then.

Well done!

Deliberate yes, but honest yes. Why do people have to change what I say?

[PrincessIona]

I actually think Lauren has quite a feminine figure, she has a small waist and she looked good in the dress she wore when she went in the house. I think for a transgendered person she is quite fortunate. I think if it wasn't for her height and very odd appearance she could go unnoticed.

I think what Carol said was pretty rude, I'm all for honesty but a unsolicited comment on someone's appearance really isn't necessary

[Tozzie]

So you'd have been filtering your comments, however innocent they might be, because of Lauren's extreme sensitivity. If that's not walking on eggshells, I'm not sure what is.

what do you mean filtering my comments? Like I said earlier, I would never have said that in the first place because I could see how it may offend and I'm the sort of person who doesn't like to upset people, I think of others feelings before I speak. I just don't think the comment was necessary.

[Vanessa]

I actually think Lauren has quite a feminine figure, she has a small waist and she looked good in the dress she wore when she went in the house. I think for a transgendered person she is quite fortunate. I think if it wasn't for her height and very odd appearance she could go unnoticed.

I think what Carol said was pretty rude, I'm all for honesty but a unsolicited comment on someone's appearance really isn't necessary

I agree.