Charlotte was right

[rionablue]

Im sorry and I may be in the minority here but Charlotte ( in her own unique way) was right in the argument shown on tonights BB. Firstly I feel that Vicky was intimidating in a way by telling Charlotte to let her finish and when there was a gap in the conversation and Charlotte wanted to say something she still tried to hold her off. Secondly what Charlotte was trying to say is that EVERYONE when the came into the house should be treated equally throughout the whole process and that Lauren should not have been awarded a special priviledge of seeing or talking to her family because she was feeling down or sick or whatever. I seriously think that everyone is treating Lauren like a china doll because she is 'fragile' she 'wants to be loved' etc etc. Charlotte isn't a great depiction of a young woman in todays society and what she does or does not do might not suit everyone but she is still a young woman and a human being and she was right, there have been times in the past few weeks that all of them would have given anything to talk to their family when they were feeling down. Vicky is not 'above everyone' Im sure she has made mistakes and cannot be sitting in judgement from her high and mighty throne. Charlotte was right tonight and even if she wasn't Vicky had no right to be saying those awful things about her while she sat in the garden !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amy Jade]

Vicky was trying to exclude Charlotte from the start of the conversation by turning her back on her, Charlotte had to raise her voice to get her voice heard and then Vicky took over and became condescending.

Then Vicky acted like she was moral good woman and went outside to call Charlotte fat.

[billy123]

Nope i stopped reading at "Vicky was intimidating in a way by telling Charlotte to let her finish" asking someone to not interrupt you while you are speaking is not intimidating its asking for a bit of common courtesy something that little tramp is lacking.

[Stevep]

It depends on how bad Lauren was, if she was in a extremely bad way then i agree with letting her see her mum, if she was just experiencing a typical down then Charlotte was right.

The key to this debate is just how bad a state Lauren was, in an ideal world they should all be treated fairly, but there are always exceptions and Lauren i think we can all agree is most definitely not as mentally stable as the others. If the doctor felt she was in a bad condition and needed to see her mum then who are we to argue with that.

[Jacquie]

Charlotte was so right tonight. what really annoys me is that no one had the arsehole to stand up and defend what Charlotte was saying........Charlotte is so genuine, let's hope the public can see this..........I think it's so wrong that everyone is pitying Lauren.........and she'll most probably go on to win, purely for this reason.......and that's wrong.

[Amy Jade]

Charlotte was so right tonight. what really annoys me is that no one had the arsehole to stand up and defend what Charlotte was saying........Charlotte is so genuine, let's hope the public can see this..........I think it's so wrong that everyone is pitying Lauren.........and she'll most probably go on to win, purely for this reason.......and that's wrong.
Other places are in Charlotte's corner, this forum pretty much hates her unfortunately.

[reece(:]

Charlotte was so right tonight. what really annoys me is that no one had the arsehole to stand up and defend what Charlotte was saying........Charlotte is so genuine, let's hope the public can see this..........I think it's so wrong that everyone is pitying Lauren.........and she'll most probably go on to win, purely for this reason.......and that's wrong.
Welcome to the forum! :wavey:

[Videostar]

Other places are in Charlotte's corner, this forum pretty much hates her unfortunately.

Go over to DS, they just love Charlotte on there...not.

[reece(:]

Other places are in Charlotte's corner, this forum pretty much hates her unfortunately.
twitter loves her!

[Livia]

Charlotte stomped off tearfully, shouting and storming that Vicky was an idiot, and stupid and other assorted insults, then accuses Vicky of being childish. Hilarious...

I'm not a fan of Vicky, but what she said in the garden was right; do we really need someone pissing their bed and talking about how many people they've shagged and other assorted bodily functions? Is that entertainment? Chuck her back to Geordie Shore where her fans can enjoy her and I don't have to look at her.

[megamaja40]

If charlotte listened for one minute shed have heard and understood what vicky said... If Lauren really needed to see her mum who's to say if that's right or wrong... Don't see why charlotte flipped over that she's a spoilt brat with a foul tongue!

[Amy Jade]

twitter loves her!
I know, where Charlotte has over 1 million followers :love:

[fingers]

Not that I particularly like Charlotte, but I have to agree that there ought not to be preferential treatment of ONE housemate and if that housemate can't hack it then she should have been allowed to LEAVE not indulged with a private familial confab.

[Mrluvaluva]

In the context of the discussion that we saw, I felt Vicky to be quite obstructive and negative from the offset. Everything aside, this was a discussion about the letters. The words of "Let me finish". "If you let me finish" etc were portrayed in a hostile way, continuing with "Who's she? The cat's mother"? etc, leading to the culmination of the discussion. I know the words don't look bad, but in the way she portrayed herself, she was aggressive in the way she said them. Charlotte then got pissed off and acted like a bit of a dick, but then we all can do when we're upset.

You don't get respect just because of your age. Sorry.

And the rule is no contact with the outside world. If you need it, g.t.f.o..

[barbel13]

So charlotte said it was unfair for Lauren saw her mother!!! What a bitch.Selfish and cruel cow charlotte is.

[Livia]

I've been on holiday for longer than they've been in the house and had no contact with my family. I lived! No tears, no hysteria... Imagine...

[Lozzibear]

I hated Vicky tonight, what a bitch.

Charlotte was right, and Lauren should NEVER have been allowed to speak/see her family in that situation! If she was THAT bad then she should never have gone back in the house... but, oh my look, there she is!

[Amy Jade]

In the context of the discussion that we saw, I felt Vicky to be quite obstructive and negative from the offset. Everything aside, this was a discussion about the letters. The words of "Let me finish". "If you let me finish" etc were portrayed in a hostile way, continuing with "Who's she? The cat's mother"? etc, leading to the culmination of the discussion. I know the words don't look bad, but in the way she portrayed herself, she was aggressive in the way she said them. Charlotte then got pissed off and acted like a bit of a dick, but then we all can do when we're upset.

You don't get respect just because of your age. Sorry.
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[erinp5]

Lauren saw the DR not her mother

[fingers]

Lauren saw the DR not her mother

There are NO Doctors in the DR!

[erinp5]

There are NO Doctors in the DR!

Dr:hugesmile:

[Josy]

I agree Charlotte was in the right with the point she was trying to make, none of them in there deserve to get preferential treatment but Vicky was never interested in anything that Charlotte was saying she seemed to have some kind of attitude towards Charlotte and Louie during that conversation.

When Charlotte was sitting on the stairs and called Vicky a bitch I did first think ah you shouldn't have resorted to calling her names Charlotte but then Vicky the one that was claiming she was 45 years old and deserved respect stomped outside and started talking to herself, calling Charlotte 'a fat slag from Newcastle', that was OTT and unnecessary IMO.

That's twice now Vicky has claimed people deserve respect due to their age, well I'm calling bull**** on that, respect has to be earned and isn't just automatically deserved because someone is older.

[Amy Jade]

I agree Charlotte was in the right with the point she was trying to make, none of them in there deserve to get preferential treatment but Vicky was never interested in anything that Charlotte was saying she seemed to have some kind of attitude towards Charlotte and Louie during that conversation.

When Charlotte was sitting on the stairs and called Vicky a bitch I did first think ah you shouldn't have resorted to calling her names Charlotte but then Vicky the one that was claiming she was 45 years old and deserved respect stomped outside and started talking to herself, calling Charlotte 'a fat slag from Newcastle', that was OTT and unnecessary IMO.

That's twice now Vicky has claimed people deserve respect due to their age, well I'm calling bull**** on that, respect has to be earned and isn't just automatically deserved because someone is older.
You literally say what I want to but I don't know how to express it like you do.

[rionablue]

Not that I particularly like Charlotte, but I have to agree that there ought not to be preferential treatment of ONE housemate and if that housemate can't hack it then she should have been allowed to LEAVE not indulged with a private familial confab.

AGREED fingers x

[rionablue]

So charlotte said it was unfair for Lauren saw her mother!!! What a bitch.Selfish and cruel cow charlotte is.

They are only in there for three bloody weeks. Nobody should have contact with their family, not Courtney and certainly not Lauren. The normal big brother rarely lets any of the housemates see any of their family and they are in there for 12 weeks or more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[megamaja40]

I don't get why people don't listen properly to what the hm say... Everything gets twisted on this forum Vicky didn't say that anyone should get preferential treatment... She said if anyone goes in the house and finds themselves in a bad way at some stage and needed to see their family who's to say if it's right or wrong... Also she did not tell charlotte that she could not have another drink the first night... She said there were others coming in and there was only 2 bottles of whatever they were drinking... She said do what you want but there are others to think of..... Don't see anything wrong with that.

[Pincho Paxton]

Yeah sometimes an eidetic memory comes in handy.

[fingers]

Yeah sometimes an eidetic memory comes in handy.

Bet you wish you had one.

[Northern Monkey]

It was an argument of 2 differing opinions,Neither were right as they were just their opinions.Vicky was willing to sit down and talk it out maturely.Charlotte brought the whole thing down to kiddy level by throwing a strop like a 10 year old instead of discussing it.Then,She said Vicky was acting immature!!This made me chuckle,The irony....

[hijaxers]

For gods sake this thread is totally pointless. I wish people would get their facts straight before mounting their awfully tall horses !
Lauren DID NOT see a family member and thats been confirmed - so Charlotte and her massive vile nasty mouth is bang out of order again - BB should have called her to the diary room and then threw her out for her disgusting treatment of Vicky.

What a nasty bitch she is - shame she's not up for eviction !

[Tozzie]

They are only in there for three bloody weeks. Nobody should have contact with their family, not Courtney and certainly not Lauren. The normal big brother rarely lets any of the housemates see any of their family and they are in there for 12 weeks or more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this year they had far too much contact though.

[the truth]

Nope i stopped reading at "Vicky was intimidating in a way by telling Charlotte to let her finish" asking someone to not interrupt you while you are speaking is not intimidating its asking for a bit of common courtesy something that little tramp is lacking.

agreed. charlotte was pig ignorant. she started shouting abusing bullying and intimidating....didn't she nominate bruce for raising his voice once?

[Kizzy]

Charlotte threw a massive paddy! Like a 2yr old in a supermarket... All because she couldn't express herself well enough, maybe Vicky was a little short with her and was slightly patronising but the histrionics?... She's still stropping about it now!

[the truth]

Charlotte threw a massive paddy! Like a 2yr old in a supermarket... All because she couldn't express herself well enough, maybe Vicky was a little short with her and was slightly patronising but the histrionics?... She's still stropping about it now!

Its just beyond pathetic. Vicky had every right to say, if you let me finish, that's not patronising whatsoever. its simple manners. clearly no one has ever told her shes pig ignorant....that's how she ended up so spoilt

[the_answers]

Vicky is not 'above everyone' Im sure she has made mistakes and cannot be sitting in judgement from her high and mighty throne. Charlotte was right tonight and even if she wasn't Vicky had no right to be saying those awful things about her while she sat in the garden !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apart from the fact there may be a massive case of hippocrisy and double standards when considering Charlotte's own behaviour, you seem to be accusing Vicky of sitting in judgement and then go on to say "Vicky had no right" !

[BBUKAUSFAN]

Charlotte was in the right!

as for those saying Lauren was right to see her mother, if she is so unwell that she need moral support from family she shouldn't be in the house, she should be at home with her family.

[MachoPoodle]

Basically I think they're all spoiled wusses. 3 weeks w/o family so what? There are plenty of people in the world who has absolutely no one, at any time. That said, Charlotte's childish behaviour was silly. She's 23, not 5, yet she argues on a child's level. Vicky was a bit condescending, but Charlotte definitely crossed the line way before she did. But again, all of them should rein in their privilege, and keep it in check.

[Cherie]

It depends on how bad Lauren was, if she was in a extremely bad way then i agree with letting her see her mum, if she was just experiencing a typical down then Charlotte was right.

The key to this debate is just how bad a state Lauren was, in an ideal world they should all be treated fairly, but there are always exceptions and Lauren i think we can all agree is most definitely not as mentally stable as the others. If the doctor felt she was in a bad condition and needed to see her mum then who are we to argue with that.

If she was in such a bad way that she has to see her Mum,then she should have been removed from the house, and if she is not mentally stable as you put it she should never have been put in there in the first place.

[Toy Soldier]

What I found most alarming about the whole thing was that Marcus said "mistakenly think that..." And then the following conversation basically confirmed that we're being lied to. Charlotte mentioned seeing family right in front of Lauren, and Lauren didn't deny it or even look slightly surprised, confirming that it must have happened. So either it's being covered up, or for some reason Lauren WANTS people to think she saw family when she didnt.

As for the argument, yes Charlotte was very immature and it was obvious that she was finding it hard to contain her upset and frustration... But trying to claim that Vicky was in the right? She was being deliberately aggressive, patronising and antagonistic throughout the entire conversation. Not what she said - but how she said it. Then she pulled out the old "Im 45 I deserve respect" chestnut (is she really only 45 by the way??? Wut??) Before going to the garden to demonstrate that she, in fact, doesnt deserve any respect at all from Charlotte because she clearly doesn't and never has respected Charlotte. Her underlying feelings bubbled to the surface, and it's the same nasty judgemental rubbish we're seeing all over the internet.

The real shame is that Vicky would be easy to wreck in an argument, she's a very angry little lady, all you'd need to do is keep your cool, wind her up, and then laugh at her. She would implode, spectacularly. Unfortunately Charlotte isn't in control of her emotions and couldn't do that.

[Cherie]

Must admit I was taken aback when Vicky said she was 45, she is not aging well if that is or all she is or maybe it is her clothes that make her appear dowdy and older than she is.

[Vanessa]

For gods sake this thread is totally pointless. I wish people would get their facts straight before mounting their awfully tall horses !
Lauren DID NOT see a family member and thats been confirmed - so Charlotte and her massive vile nasty mouth is bang out of order again - BB should have called her to the diary room and then threw her out for her disgusting treatment of Vicky.

What a nasty bitch she is - shame she's not up for eviction !

Yes. Lauren only saw a doctor. I'm glad she's feeling better now. :)

[Kizzy]

What I found most alarming about the whole thing was that Marcus said "mistakenly think that..." And then the following conversation basically confirmed that we're being lied to. Charlotte mentioned seeing family right in front of Lauren, and Lauren didn't deny it or even look slightly surprised, confirming that it must have happened. So either it's being covered up, or for some reason Lauren WANTS people to think she saw family when she didnt.

As for the argument, yes Charlotte was very immature and it was obvious that she was finding it hard to contain her upset and frustration... But trying to claim that Vicky was in the right? She was being deliberately aggressive, patronising and antagonistic throughout the entire conversation. Not what she said - but how she said it. Then she pulled out the old "Im 45 I deserve respect" chestnut (is she really only 45 by the way??? Wut??) Before going to the garden to demonstrate that she, in fact, doesnt deserve any respect at all from Charlotte because she clearly doesn't and never has respected Charlotte. Her underlying feelings bubbled to the surface, and it's the same nasty judgemental rubbish we're seeing all over the internet.

The real shame is that Vicky would be easy to wreck in an argument, she's a very angry little lady, all you'd need to do is keep your cool, wind her up, and then laugh at her. She would implode, spectacularly. Unfortunately Charlotte isn't in control of her emotions and couldn't do that.

I'm not saying Vicky was right for that comment that she deserved respect, however to be fair Vicky has been one of the most respectful housemates thus far. Many of the others have been involved in slanging matches in the house, and charlotte still has respect for them.
They had one slight disagreement is all that really happened, when you have a slight difference of opinion it doesn't follow you have no respect for that person does it?

When you look at charlottes behaviour has she really done anything to be respected for, As it does have to be earned?
She clearly has anger issues and needs to learn that running away swearing and crying is not the way to get your point across.

[fingers]

Yes. Lauren only saw a doctor. I'm glad she's feeling better now. :)

She had CONTACT with her family/mother, finally admitted to by BB after trying a failed cover-up.

[Marmalite]

Nope i stopped reading at "Vicky was intimidating in a way by telling Charlotte to let her finish" asking someone to not interrupt you while you are speaking is not intimidating its asking for a bit of common courtesy something that little tramp is lacking.



You clearly failed to hear Vicky say to Charlotte before she (Charlotte) had finished giving her point across "Right, I'm going to stop you there".

Just because the woman is 45 does not give her carte blanche over conversations/debates between a few HM's.

She stopped Charlotte before she had explained her views and then was complete rude to her when she tried to explain why she had said what she did.

[Pincho Paxton]

I never see my family anyway. I don't get the fuss. I don't see them for months at a time. Letters from my family in the house would just embarrass me. I hate that sort of thing, and I hate phone calls.

[billy123]

You clearly failed to hear Vicky say to Charlotte before she (Charlotte) had finished giving her point across "Right, I'm going to stop you there".

Just because the woman is 45 does not give her carte blanche over conversations/debates between a few HM's.

She stopped Charlotte before she had explained her views and then was complete rude to her when she tried to explain why she had said what she did.Oh dear someone in an argument was a bit snappy with the other person.
What a crime.
The girl from geordie ***** reacted like a little brat and someone asking her to let them finish their point before being spoken over is more respect than vicky should have given her.

What was stopping charlotte from saying to vicky please let me finish first? answer: nothing at all she spat her chavvy little dummy out instead because she hasnt got the guts,intelligence or self respect to do so.

Christ she has a shock coming to her if she reacts like that to not getting her own way in life.

I predict a short career on channels in the 900's on sky tv followed by a trip into nothingness unless she grows up fast.

[Patricia4]

For gods sake this thread is totally pointless. I wish people would get their facts straight before mounting their awfully tall horses !
Lauren DID NOT see a family member and thats been confirmed - so Charlotte and her massive vile nasty mouth is bang out of order again - BB should have called her to the diary room and then threw her out for her disgusting treatment of Vicky.

What a nasty bitch she is - shame she's not up for eviction !

Very true :dance:

[Jordan.]

Of course she was right. Vicky clearly isn't aware that BB is supposed to be NO CONTACT with the outside, being upset doesn't give you the right to see your family, you know what you're signing up for.

[Vanessa]

Big Brother can change the rules at anytime. Clearly Charlotte has forgotten that.

[Jordan.]

That's just the lamest excuse of a rule ever for them to justify their favoritism.

[Marmalite]

Oh dear someone in an argument was a bit snappy with the other person.
What a crime.
The girl from geordie ***** reacted like a little brat and someone asking her to let them finish their point before being spoken over is more respect than vicky should have given her.

What was stopping charlotte from saying to vicky please let me finish first? answer: nothing at all she spat her chavvy little dummy out instead because she hasnt got the guts,intelligence or self respect to do so.

Christ she has a shock coming to her if she reacts like that to not getting her own way in life.

I predict a short career on channels in the 900's on sky tv followed by a trip into nothingness unless she grows up fast.



Your whole point was the fact that Charlotte was being rude to Vicky by interrupting her... yet you failed to see that it was actually Vicky who first interrupted Charlotte. You say Charlotte should've asked her to let her finish... so why couldn't Vicky ask Charlotte nicely to let her finish instead of being so condescending?

It's not always what you say but the way you say it! Vicky had no intention of letting Charlotte give her point across and that's because she feels she is older, wiser and her points and feelings are more important! Bruce screamed at Charlotte when Charlotte confronted him about his attitude towards Lauren and them keeping him awake ... yet Vicky felt he had every right to because he was older and Charlotte should respect him and his feelings... what a warped sense of entitlement!

You also clearly failed to see that even Louie couldn't get his point across when Vicky was speaking and also Lauren for that matter.

Charlotte got upset and, I agree, acted very immaturely and like a typical spoilt brat of today's generation ... but, she admitted this in the diary room. So she is fully aware of her actions and has probably been allowed to get away with this type of attitude far too many times and let's face it she's paid to act like this on Geordie Shore. Does it mean she does not respect people who are older than her? No it doesn't! She has proved this with her relationship with Ron, Carol Louie and also Lauren.

Just because a person is 45 does not give them the right to only give their point of view across and not listen to others who are younger. It also does not give them automatic respect just because they are older... you earn respect and Vicky has not earned any respect imo. She is just a typical older person who feels the only way they can win an argument is to tell people they need to respect their elders!

She acted just as badly as Charlotte by calling her a fat slag from Newcastle and slagging her off in the garden, but let's all respect her because she's older eh!

She wanted in with the clique and now she's got it she's trying to become head honcho because she thinks as an older person she should automatically receive it.

Vicky has sealed her fate and will be first out on eviction night! But I doubt she will be missed that much.

[billy123]

Your whole point was the fact that Charlotte was being rude to Vicky by interrupting her... yet you failed to see that it was actually Vicky who first interrupted Charlotte. You say Charlotte should've asked her to let her finish... so why couldn't Vicky ask Charlotte nicely to let her finish instead of being so condescending?

It's not always what you say but the way you say it! Vicky had no intention of letting Charlotte give her point across and that's because she feels she is older, wiser and her points and feelings are more important! Bruce screamed at Charlotte when Charlotte confronted him about his attitude towards Lauren and them keeping him awake ... yet Vicky felt he had every right to because he was older and Charlotte should respect him and his feelings... what a warped sense of entitlement!

You also clearly failed to see that even Louie couldn't get his point across when Vicky was speaking and also Lauren for that matter.

Charlotte got upset and, I agree, acted very immaturely and like a typical spoilt brat of today's generation ... but, she admitted this in the diary room. So she is fully aware of her actions and has probably been allowed to get away with this type of attitude far too many times and let's face it she's paid to act like this on Geordie Shore. Does it mean she does not respect people who are older than her? No it doesn't! She has proved this with her relationship with Ron, Carol Louie and also Lauren.

Just because a person is 45 does not give them the right to only give their point of view across and not listen to others who are younger. It also does not give them automatic respect just because they are older... you earn respect and Vicky has not earned any respect imo. She is just a typical older person who feels the only way they can win an argument is to tell people they need to respect their elders!

She acted just as badly as Charlotte by calling her a fat slag from Newcastle and slagging her off in the garden, but let's all respect her because she's older eh!

She wanted in with the clique and now she's got it she's trying to become head honcho because she thinks as an older person she should automatically receive it.

Vicky has sealed her fate and will be first out on eviction night! But I doubt she will be missed that much.Oh dear.
You just agreed with everything i said but still try to spin it to favour the one that had a tantrum.
carry on.

[rionablue]

For gods sake this thread is totally pointless. I wish people would get their facts straight before mounting their awfully tall horses !
Lauren DID NOT see a family member and thats been confirmed - so Charlotte and her massive vile nasty mouth is bang out of order again - BB should have called her to the diary room and then threw her out for her disgusting treatment of Vicky.

What a nasty bitch she is - shame she's not up for eviction !

The housemates believe that she did but the point of the argument is that everyone should be treated the same. This thread is NOT pointless and if you think it is then don't bloody comment on it. I don't comment on any thread I feel is a waste of time. In my eyes Vicky was wrong. If people think Charlotte was wrong fair enough.

[rionablue]

Apart from the fact there may be a massive case of hippocrisy and double standards when considering Charlotte's own behaviour, you seem to be accusing Vicky of sitting in judgement and then go on to say "Vicky had no right" !

Charlotte is by no means and angel and the way she choses to live her life is highly questionable as are some of her antics in the house Charlotte may also have called Vicky names but Vicky was patronising and really I don't think she actually GOT what Charlotte was trying to say. It should be a level playing field with everyone treated the same. Vicky of course does not want to associate herself with the 'fat slag' or whatever else she called her. Her rant about Charlotte in the garden was stupid. Charlotte isn't a child but she is young. Vicky is a mature woman and should have conducted herself better in this argument. I do not condone Charlotte for much of what she does but she was trying to make a point and even when Vicky EVENTUALLY finished talking Vicky just brushed it off

[rusticgal]

Im sorry and I may be in the minority here but Charlotte ( in her own unique way) was right in the argument shown on tonights BB. Firstly I feel that Vicky was intimidating in a way by telling Charlotte to let her finish and when there was a gap in the conversation and Charlotte wanted to say something she still tried to hold her off. Secondly what Charlotte was trying to say is that EVERYONE when the came into the house should be treated equally throughout the whole process and that Lauren should not have been awarded a special priviledge of seeing or talking to her family because she was feeling down or sick or whatever. I seriously think that everyone is treating Lauren like a china doll because she is 'fragile' she 'wants to be loved' etc etc. Charlotte isn't a great depiction of a young woman in todays society and what she does or does not do might not suit everyone but she is still a young woman and a human being and she was right, there have been times in the past few weeks that all of them would have given anything to talk to their family when they were feeling down. Vicky is not 'above everyone' Im sure she has made mistakes and cannot be sitting in judgement from her high and mighty throne. Charlotte was right tonight and even if she wasn't Vicky had no right to be saying those awful things about her while she sat in the garden !!!!!!!!!!!!!


:worship::worship::worship: I absolutely agree...

[Pincho Paxton]

The housemates believe that she did but the point of the argument is that everyone should be treated the same. This thread is NOT pointless and if you think it is then don't bloody comment on it. I don't comment on any thread I feel is a waste of time. In my eyes Vicky was wrong. If people think Charlotte was wrong fair enough.

If everyone was ill they could all speak to someone, they all do get the same treatment.

[Beso]

In my opinion they were both correct and both wrong.

I know Charlottes point was that the concept off big brother is that everyone is treated equally and are kept from contact from outside the house, but where does that stop and where does that end!

Vicky made a point that everyone should be treated as and when it is needed in regards to outside contact.

For instance, should people be allowed to recieve hospital treatment and then let back into the house?...should tom have been allowed to go to his grandmothers funeral and then allowed back in the house?...should people be told when someone dies in their family when they are in the house like what happened to the bloke from an earlier bb who then decided to leave.

So as vicky was saying, yes it should be treated as and when an individual needs contact from the outside and that individuals needs should be rspected and seen to.

Chartlottes point was more to do with the whoile point of what big brother was all about.

I found charlotte acted very childishly and vicky very patronising, so both correct in a way and both wrong in others.

[rionablue]

Your whole point was the fact that Charlotte was being rude to Vicky by interrupting her... yet you failed to see that it was actually Vicky who first interrupted Charlotte. You say Charlotte should've asked her to let her finish... so why couldn't Vicky ask Charlotte nicely to let her finish instead of being so condescending?

It's not always what you say but the way you say it! Vicky had no intention of letting Charlotte give her point across and that's because she feels she is older, wiser and her points and feelings are more important! Bruce screamed at Charlotte when Charlotte confronted him about his attitude towards Lauren and them keeping him awake ... yet Vicky felt he had every right to because he was older and Charlotte should respect him and his feelings... what a warped sense of entitlement!

You also clearly failed to see that even Louie couldn't get his point across when Vicky was speaking and also Lauren for that matter.

Charlotte got upset and, I agree, acted very immaturely and like a typical spoilt brat of today's generation ... but, she admitted this in the diary room. So she is fully aware of her actions and has probably been allowed to get away with this type of attitude far too many times and let's face it she's paid to act like this on Geordie Shore. Does it mean she does not respect people who are older than her? No it doesn't! She has proved this with her relationship with Ron, Carol Louie and also Lauren.

Just because a person is 45 does not give them the right to only give their point of view across and not listen to others who are younger. It also does not give them automatic respect just because they are older... you earn respect and Vicky has not earned any respect imo. She is just a typical older person who feels the only way they can win an argument is to tell people they need to respect their elders!

She acted just as badly as Charlotte by calling her a fat slag from Newcastle and slagging her off in the garden, but let's all respect her because she's older eh!

She wanted in with the clique and now she's got it she's trying to become head honcho because she thinks as an older person she should automatically receive it.

Vicky has sealed her fate and will be first out on eviction night! But I doubt she will be missed that much.

BRILLIANT POST :elephant:

[Vanessa]

In my opinion they were both correct and both wrong.

I know Charlottes point was that the concept off big brother is that everyone is treated equally and are kept from contact from outside the house, but where does that stop and where does that end!

Vicky made a point that everyone should be treated as and when it is needed in regards to outside contact.

For instance, should people be allowed to recieve hospital treatment and then let back into the house?...should tom have been allowed to go to his grandmothers funeral and then allowed back in the house?...should people be told when someone dies in their family when they are in the house like what happened to the bloke from an earlier bb who then decided to leave.

So as vicky was saying, yes it should be treated as and when an individual needs contact from the outside and that individuals needs should be rspected and seen to.

Chartlottes point was more to do with the whoile point of what big brother was all about.

I found charlotte acted very childishly and vicky very patronising, so both correct in a way and both wrong in others.

Agreed, but i Charlotte started with the insults. She called Vicky thick. How rude!

[Marmalite]

Oh dear.
You just agreed with everything i said but still try to spin it to favour the one that had a tantrum.
carry on.


...and I'd say you're above 45 and in the generation of "respect your elders" even though they don't deserve or earn it!

Oh dear.

Carry on.

[rusticgal]

It depends on how bad Lauren was, if she was in a extremely bad way then i agree with letting her see her mum, if she was just experiencing a typical down then Charlotte was right.

The key to this debate is just how bad a state Lauren was, in an ideal world they should all be treated fairly, but there are always exceptions and Lauren i think we can all agree is most definitely not as mentally stable as the others. If the doctor felt she was in a bad condition and needed to see her mum then who are we to argue with that.

Its not difficult....Lauren was probably feeling down because she was in need of reassurance... like all the others in there may have felt at certain stages in there. But Lauren gets what she wants because she is fragile and sick....she would have got mummys reassurance plus a reassurance that she is favourite to win....its all pathetic. I just hope she does not win.

[fingers]

Its not difficult....Lauren was probably feeling down because she was in need of reassurance... like all the others in there may have felt at certain stages in there. But Lauren gets what she wants because she is fragile and sick....she would have got mummys reassurance plus a reassurance that she is favourite to win....its all pathetic. I just hope she does not win.

This was the whole point, Lauren has been reassured that she is joint favourite, so that's alright, then.

[HBB1508]

Its not difficult....Lauren was probably feeling down because she was in need of reassurance... like all the others in there may have felt at certain stages in there. But Lauren gets what she wants because she is fragile and sick....she would have got mummys reassurance plus a reassurance that she is favourite to win....its all pathetic. I just hope she does not win.

This, why they ever put her in the house I shall never know.

[billy123]

...and I'd say you're above 45 and in the generation of "respect your elders" even though they don't deserve or earn it!

Oh dear.

Carry on.Wrong again.
stick to discussing the housemates and not me its a sure sign you are losing by getting personal plus its also against the rules.

[Marmalite]

Wrong again.
stick to discussing the housemates and not me its a sure sign you are losing by getting personal plus its also against the rules.


Right back atcha Bob!

[billy123]

Right back atcha Bob!mmmm ok yeah
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[billy123]

agreed. charlotte was pig ignorant. she started shouting abusing bullying and intimidating....didn't she nominate bruce for raising his voice once?
It was desperate and childish to say the least.

[the_answers]

So either it's being covered up, or for some reason Lauren WANTS people to think she saw family when she didnt.
It it's the latter you could argue it's a subtle piece of fantastic gameplaying.

Why exactly should she pipe up ?

If they want to get in a strop and make themselves look stupid and potentially harm their own chances by jumping to wrong conclusions, it's up to them.

If Lauren sat on the fence and figured it could help her more to say nothing then bravo !

But trying to claim that Vicky was in the right? She was being deliberately aggressive, patronising and antagonistic throughout the entire conversation. Not what she said - but how she said it.
Vicky was polite, kept her cool quite well and was reasonable.
Charlotte didn't and wasn't.
If you're suggesting people need to fall over backwards to accomodate the faults of people like Charlotte then I disagree.
Especially when Charlotte is the one who thinks it should be a so called level playing field.
More like downhill for her is ok but when it's level and she's got her own issues going uphill then it isn't !

Out of interest why are you supporting Charlotte ?
I may be wrong but you don't strike me as someone that is easily entertained by farting and swearing.

[the_answers]

Charlotte is by no means and angel and the way she choses to live her life is highly questionable as are some of her antics in the house Charlotte may also have called Vicky names but Vicky was patronising and really I don't think she actually GOT what Charlotte was trying to say.
I think she did - she just didn't see the validity of her argument.
And neither do I can you explain ?

It seemed to me when VIcky said "who's to say what's right or wrong" Charlotte had no answer so threw a mega-strop.

Seems to me Charlotte just doesn't like it when people won't bow down or agree with her.

It should be a level playing field with everyone treated the same.
If that's the case then how come Charlotte feels hard done to by not having the letter ?

It's ok for HER to have the letter.
But if others get it then it's somehow not fair ?

Poppycock !

She's had everything on a plate this series and loves the group power advantage as much as Louie and Carol do.

Level playing field ?
More like spollt brat's field all to herself !

Her rant about Charlotte in the garden was stupid.
If someone abused me unfairly I wouldn't be impressed either.
I don't blame Vicky for being hacked off and releasing her frustration in the garden at all.

[Visage]

Charlotte stomped off tearfully, shouting and storming that Vicky was an idiot, and stupid and other assorted insults, then accuses Vicky of being childish. Hilarious...

I'm not a fan of Vicky, but what she said in the garden was right; do we really need someone pissing their bed and talking about how many people they've shagged and other assorted bodily functions? Is that entertainment? Chuck her back to Geordie Shore where her fans can enjoy her and I don't have to look at her.

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[Stevep]

Its not difficult....Lauren was probably feeling down because she was in need of reassurance... like all the others in there may have felt at certain stages in there. But Lauren gets what she wants because she is fragile and sick....she would have got mummys reassurance plus a reassurance that she is favourite to win....its all pathetic. I just hope she does not win.

Key word in that reply is 'probably'. As i said in my post, it all depends what stae Lauren was in, if she was in a desperate way then Vicky was right, if she was just experiencing a typical 'BB down' period then Charlotte was right.

We are not privy to just how bad Lauren can get at times, or even if she does have serious lows (i expect she does). I'm pretty sure BB has been informed. If she does experience significant lows that could cause her much distress then are people on here really all that bothered if a little rule bending takes place?

No one on here knows why she may have seen a doctor or her mum, it's all very much speculation and hypothetical scenarios so there is no real need for some people to be getting up in arms about it.

[anne666]

I can't stand Charlotte but Vicky(pissed) was so condescending, not listening to anyone, talking over them all and then behaved just as badly as Charlotte herself. Two wrongs will never make a right.I didn't mind Vicky until that live feed.

[rusticgal]

Key word in that reply is 'probably'. As i said in my post, it all depends what stae Lauren was in, if she was in a desperate way then Vicky was right, if she was just experiencing a typical 'BB down' period then Charlotte was right.

We are not privy to just how bad Lauren can get at times, or even if she does have serious lows (i expect she does). I'm pretty sure BB has been informed. If she does experience significant lows that could cause her much distress then are people on here really all that bothered if a little rule bending takes place?

No one on here knows why she may have seen a doctor or her mum, it's all very much speculation and hypothetical scenarios so there is no real need for some people to be getting up in arms about it.

Lauren should NOT be in that house.... she is not stable...

[the truth]

Lauren should NOT be in that house.... she is not stable...

she is stable, she has been great in there. Charlotte isn't stable though and should have been thrown out for her vile behaviour and abusive language