USA government shutdown (Debt Deadline Now set for Feb 2014)

[arista]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/01/us-shutdown-congress-debates-stalemate

Many blame Harry Read
for not wanting more debates.



Last time this went down was 1995.

[Jesus.]

There is no blame for Harry Reid here. The right wing tea-partiers have basically said that unless Democrats undo health care reform, then there will be no budget.

This is over a continuing resolution to pay the bills that America has already racked up. Congress authorises all spending before it happens, but now they want to hold the president hostage to try and get him to repeal his own historic healthcare law.

Obamacare has been law since 2010, since which time there has been a presidential election, where Romney said the thing he would do on day one, is repeal Obamacare. Congress passed the bill, the senate passed the bill, and then the president signed it into law. Then the people voted in 2012.

The republican right wing are insane, and if they do this when the debt limit is up, then the whole world economy will be thrown into chaos.

This is a tea party attack on government. They constantly spew bile about killing government, and now this is their effort.

[arista]

"There is no blame for Harry Reid here. "


yes there is
he is a Slug

http://images.politico.com/global/2013/09/29/harry_reid_rtr_328.jpg


https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREY6othSeg0tCyDIFqiOfs-RVMPsysylpbMDnirV728J9QJNZK-A

[Jesus.]

"There is no blame for Harry Reid here. "


yes there is
he is a Slug

http://images.politico.com/global/2013/09/29/harry_reid_rtr_328.jpg


https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREY6othSeg0tCyDIFqiOfs-RVMPsysylpbMDnirV728J9QJNZK-A

OK - so because you want to call him names, he deserves blame for shutting the government down?

I'm not sure how one follows the other. This is a tea-party temper tantrum. If they really believed that the healthcare law was so bad, why don't they cheer for it's implementation and reap the rewards when the merde hits the fan?

[Jesus.]

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[Tom4784]

Republicans are crazy bitches.

[Nedusa]

What a wonderful Political system the US has, one party threatening to bring down the whole Government and possibly the World's Economy because they can't get their way.

I see it's the Mad as a Hatter Tea party that are behind all of this... my sympathies for the working peoples of the US, to have been born into and brought up in a once great Country which promoted all the right morals and values, a shining beacon for the rest of the World to follow.

Now ending up as nasty, dirty cesspit of a country where Capitalism has utterly destroyed all forms of social cohesion and an unelected elite run riot destroying generations of well grounded law making, forcing their criminal , war making agenda on the masses just to reap illegal corporate profits and then retire to their luxury gated communities while the rest of the population fight for scraps living in trailor parks.

"American Dream.......because you have to be asleep to believe it" (George Carlin)

[Sticks]

The fault is entirely with the president

He should ditch and repeal Obamacare NOW!!!!!

The Tea Party will wreck the world economy on principle and will not blink. They have the power and the resolution to see this through to the bitter end and beyond.

Obama should have known this from when Hillary Clinton tried and failed to reform the healthcare system.

This is akin to a gun toting mugger who will cheerfully machine gun you without batting an eyelid, demanding you wallet, jewellery, smart phone a trainers. By right of force they belong to him, and you have to hand them over to him.

After Obama has been made to scrap Obamacare, he, and the vice president must resign, in favour of the republican party.

[Apple202]

The fault is entirely with the president

He should ditch and repeal Obamacare NOW!!!!!

The Tea Party will wreck the world economy on principle and will not blink. They have the power and the resolution to see this through to the bitter end and beyond.

Obama should have known this from when Hillary Clinton tried and failed to reform the healthcare system.

This is akin to a gun toting mugger who will cheerfully machine gun you without batting an eyelid, demanding you wallet, jewellery, smart phone a trainers. By right of force they belong to him, and you have to hand them over to him.

After Obama has been made to scrap Obamacare, he, and the vice president must resign, in favour of the republican party.

lol what

[arista]

The fault is entirely with the president

He should ditch and repeal Obamacare NOW!!!!!

The Tea Party will wreck the world economy on principle and will not blink. They have the power and the resolution to see this through to the bitter end and beyond.

Obama should have known this from when Hillary Clinton tried and failed to reform the healthcare system.

This is akin to a gun toting mugger who will cheerfully machine gun you without batting an eyelid, demanding you wallet, jewellery, smart phone a trainers. By right of force they belong to him, and you have to hand them over to him.

After Obama has been made to scrap Obamacare, he, and the vice president must resign, in favour of the republican party.



He can not
its now the Law



Drone killing Evil President
Fecks up his own nation.

[user104658]

The fault is entirely with the president

He should ditch and repeal Obamacare NOW!!!!!

The Tea Party will wreck the world economy on principle and will not blink. They have the power and the resolution to see this through to the bitter end and beyond.

Obama should have known this from when Hillary Clinton tried and failed to reform the healthcare system.

This is akin to a gun toting mugger who will cheerfully machine gun you without batting an eyelid, demanding you wallet, jewellery, smart phone a trainers. By right of force they belong to him, and you have to hand them over to him.

After Obama has been made to scrap Obamacare, he, and the vice president must resign, in favour of the republican party.

A terrifying suggestion. The second that governments start giving in to the demands of groups of people who hold power through virtue of money... We are all truly and permanently screwed. We should just give up on the notion of country and government entirely, and allow ourselves to be ruled by private global multinationals.

[arista]

The White House Capitol Hill
has gone on into lockdown
Police rushing down with Guns


just reported on SkyNewsHD
Also live on CNN


Several people injured

[Ninastar]

^why what the hell is happening?

[arista]

^why what the hell is happening?


Could be someone Angry at the Shutdown


Live On SkyNewsHD
20 mins ago shots were fired
its 2:37PM time out there

http://news.sky.com/story/1149965/us-capitol-on-lockdown-after-shots-fired


A Police man is injured

[Ninastar]

I don't know what they expected with shutting the government down. Including the people who look into this stuff and prevent it from happening.

[Verbal]

https://twitter.com/KateNocera right in the middle of it

[arista]

I don't know what they expected with shutting the government down. Including the people who look into this stuff and prevent it from happening.


Obamacare has made Top Firms lay off workers
as it cost to much for his Health Care.


Thats a Major Problem.

[Verbal]

Reuters news wire http://live.reuters.com/Event/Politics

[arista]

ABC News claim
someone was trying to ram the gates

So Another UnHappy American



a Woman Driver trying to ram the gates

on all news now


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/03/article-0-1880879A00000578-749_634x362.jpg
Officer Down

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/03/article-0-1880932A00000578-214_634x680.jpg

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/3/1380827946306/ab7c2e29-c76d-4d03-88d9-c992b33d87d2-620x372.jpeg
The Woman Driver who went crazy
had no Gun. She was Shot dead


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/03/government-shutdown-third-day-live
Link for kizzy

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/04/article-2442703-18817BC900000578-79_634x539.jpg
Pictured: A neighbor has confirmed to MailOnline
that this is Miriam Carey,34, the woman
who is believed to have been shot dead by Capitol Police

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442703/Miriam-Carey-Woman-killed-outside-Capitol-Hill-trying-ram-gates-White-House.html#ixzz2gjKNWuYu

[Nedusa]

This woman (or Terrorist as the US authorities will now call her) had apparently driven the wrong way in a one way street and ended up in an altercation with Washington Police after which she did seem to lose all sense of perspective, however with a child in the car the police perhaps could have tried to calm things down before going in all guns blazing and killing this woman.

I have a horrible feeling in the days to come that we will see this as a very sad story in which this woman "lost the plot" BUT her course of action ultimately cost her her life. American police these days tend to shoot first and ask questions later....in fact they don't even ask questions later, they just enjoy firing their big guns at anything that moves.

Another day another stupid senseless shooting in the Good ol US of A...

Police training in the US consists mainly of trying to eat as many Doughnuts as possible in 60 seconds.....IMHO !!!!

[arista]

This woman (or Terrorist as the US authorities will now call her) had apparently driven the wrong way in a one way street and ended up in an altercation with Washington Police after which she did seem to lose all sense of perspective, however with a child in the car the police perhaps could have tried to calm things down before going in all guns blazing and killing this woman.

I have a horrible feeling in the days to come that we will see this as a very sad story in which this woman "lost the plot" BUT her course of action ultimately cost her her life. American police these days tend to shoot first and ask questions later....in fact they don't even ask questions later, they just enjoy firing their big guns at anything that moves.

Another day another stupid senseless shooting in the Good ol US of A...

Police training in the US consists mainly of trying to eat as many Doughnuts as possible in 60 seconds.....IMHO !!!!




No the USA News are no saying that at all.


Just a crazy woman

[Nedusa]

No they USA News are no saying that at all.


Just a crazy woman

Perhaps it was suicide by Cop then...........!!!!

[Scarlett.]

It's insane that a bunch of wanker politicians can make the a whole country's government shut down, just because they can't get their own way. It's pathetic.

[swinearefine]

The only good that will come out of this is that Republicans have destroyed their chances of maintaining control of the House of Representatives after next year's elections.

[Sticks]

It's insane that a bunch of wanker politicians can make the a whole country's government shut down, just because they can't get their own way. It's pathetic.

But they can and they will, so Obama needs to wise up and for the greater good, scrap Obamacare

[arista]

But they can and they will, so Obama needs to wise up and for the greater good, scrap Obamacare


He will not
we have to wait for him to go.

[arista]

The President
has said he may re-open on a short term basis?

Bill Clinton talked

http://news.sky.com/story/1151649/debt-ceiling-senate-democrats-push-toward-vote

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/08/obama-speech-federal-government-shutdown-live

[arista]

"US shutdown talks: White House and
Republicans fail to agree deal
No deal emerges but observers
note warmer language after
Barack Obama and House
speaker John Boehner meet"


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/11/us-shutdown-talks-end-without-agreement

What the feck do they want
the World markets Fecked up

The President must keep talks Open
he is at fault as much as the other side,
for not finding a way forward

Sign Of The Times

[Jesus.]

"US shutdown talks: White House and
Republicans fail to agree deal
No deal emerges but observers
note warmer language after
Barack Obama and House
speaker John Boehner meet"


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/11/us-shutdown-talks-end-without-agreement

What the feck do they want
the World markets Fecked up

The President must keep talks Open
he is at fault as much as the other side,
for not finding a way forward

Sign Of The Times


Arista he really isn't. If Labour were able to close the government down over a passed law in this country, so that parks weren't open, council workers were stopped working etc, what would your opinion be? Would you be moaning about Cameron. Of course you wouldn't.

This is absolutely nothing to do with the president, and the polls are reallt turning agains the republicans.

I don't mind talking to you about this, but at some point you either need to explain your ideas better, or accept that what the crazies on the right are doing is unacceptable and nuts.

Stop watching Fox, and start watching Chris Hayes.

[Jesus.]

But they can and they will, so Obama needs to wise up and for the greater good, scrap Obamacare

That's quite possibly the maddest thing I've ever seen written about it. How about the 10's of millions of Americans that won't have to face bankruptcy because they broke a leg and were charged thousands of dollars to fix it? How about that greater good?

How about the children with cancer that would have been previously refused treatment for having a pre-existing condition? Is that the greater good?

Someone needs to stand up to the loonies on the right in America, and I hopee Obama stands firm.

[arista]

Arista he really isn't. If Labour were able to close the government down over a passed law in this country, so that parks weren't open, council workers were stopped working etc, what would your opinion be? Would you be moaning about Cameron. Of course you wouldn't.

This is absolutely nothing to do with the president, and the polls are reallt turning agains the republicans.

I don't mind talking to you about this, but at some point you either need to explain your ideas better, or accept that what the crazies on the right are doing is unacceptable and nuts.

Stop watching Fox, and start watching Chris Hayes.


FoxNewsHD is funny.


They Republicans
want ObamaCare put on hold
but its Legal Law.

Many Big Shops have got rid of some staff
as they do not want the Health Bill problem
the President can not ignore his mess

[Sticks]

That's quite possibly the maddest thing I've ever seen written about it. How about the 10's of millions of Americans that won't have to face bankruptcy because they broke a leg and were charged thousands of dollars to fix it? How about that greater good?

How about the children with cancer that would have been previously refused treatment for having a pre-existing condition? Is that the greater good?

Someone needs to stand up to the loonies on the right in America, and I hopee Obama stands firm.

So here we have what is called in politics, "Bleeding stumps"

America, for the greater good of the world economy can not afford it.

If these people can not afford healthcare otherwise, then that is just too bad, and the expressions that come to mind are "Tough!" and "Awe diddums" and "You can not make an omelette without breaking a few eggs". They will just have to go without, if they can not afford it, end of.

Repeat, America can not afford Obamacare, because the Tea Party, who are in charge, will not allow it, to their dying breath, and they do not give a fig for the consequences of their actions to defeat it.

So if for the greater good it means denying a dying child medical treatment that would have saved it, so be it. There is more at stake, Obama should have known this. He should scrap Obamacare now and he along with his Vice president must resign in favour of the republican speaker of house of representatives.

Do we want to see a world financial crisis, thousands made destitute and science projects destroyed by one man's stubborn failure to recognise he has lost?

[Jesus.]

FoxNewsHD is funny.


They Republicans
want ObamaCare put on hold
but its Legal Law.

Many Big Shops have got rid of some staff
as they do not want the Health Bill problem
the President can not ignore his mess

That's not true though, Arista. I'll give you a solid, factual example. Disney promoted nearly 600 people up to full time, so that they would qualify for the ACA.

You get big republican donors as CEO's of corporations trying to scaremonger people into being scared of the ACA, so they can kill it. When people are settled into it, and like it, the GOP knows it will be impossible to take it away from them. That is another piece of legislation passed by democrats that will reflect poorly on the GOP.

[Jesus.]

So here we have what is called in politics, "Bleeding stumps"

America, for the greater good of the world economy can not afford it.

If these people can not afford healthcare otherwise, then that is just too bad, and the expressions that come to mind are "Tough!" and "Awe diddums" and "You can not make an omelette without breaking a few eggs". They will just have to go without, if they can not afford it, end of.

Repeat, America can not afford Obamacare, because the Tea Party, who are in charge, will not allow it, to their dying breath, and they do not give a fig for the consequences of their actions to defeat it.

So if for the greater good it means denying a dying child medical treatment that would have saved it, so be it. There is more at stake, Obama should have known this. He should scrap Obamacare now and he along with his Vice president must resign in favour of the republican speaker of house of representatives.

Do we want to see a world financial crisis, thousands made destitute and science projects destroyed by one man's stubborn failure to recognise he has lost?

I know you're a man of science, so I'm going to assume that's decent satire, rather than a batsh*t crazy opinion.

[lostalex]

I hate the government, i'm glad someone finally shut those bitches down. serves 'em right.

Who needs a government? not America.

They've been closed for 11 days now, and i don't even notice a difference!

[Benjamin]

Straight into my new job and straight into this crisis, all the national parks, tours and a lot of attractions (like Alcatraz and Grand Canyon) have been suspended.

[lostalex]

Where's yur new job? i thought you lived in New ZEaland.

[Benjamin]

No, back in UK now for a bit. Just started working for a company doing what I was in Auckland.

[Jesus.]

Sticks has been viewing this thread since his last post. :suspect:

[arista]

Straight into my new job and straight into this crisis, all the national parks, tours and a lot of attractions (like Alcatraz and Grand Canyon) have been suspended.



Yes The President
does not care about tours getting stopped
he has his Health Care Law
bolted to his bed

[arista]

DQc-aVc562Q


Hostage

Jason Jones Interview
on the Daily Show 8th Oct
very funny.



for jesus

[arista]

Thursday is the magic day


[In a series of attacks encouraged by the
Obama administration, policymakers
gathered in the US capital for the annual
meeting of the International Monetary
Fund used the platform to call for an
agreement before Thursday's deadline
to raise America's
$16.7 trillion (£10.5tn) debt ceiling.
Mario Draghi, the president of the
European Central Bank, said:
"It is unthinkable that an agreement won't be found.
If this situation were to last a long time
this would be negative, very negative
for the US economy and the world
economy and could certainly harm the recovery."]


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/13/us-shutdown-threat-global-recovery-bankers

[Cherie]

Straight into my new job and straight into this crisis, all the national parks, tours and a lot of attractions (like Alcatraz and Grand Canyon) have been suspended.

At least you are being paid unlike the employees of the Parks :tongue: I feel sorry for the people booked months ago. At least now travellers are aware.

[thesheriff443]

At least you are being paid unlike the employees of the Parks :tongue: I feel sorry for the people booked months ago. At least now travellers are aware.

just think what tourist have when they come to our parks!
dogging, dog poo, and the local tramp:joker:

[Jesus.]

DQc-aVc562Q


Hostage

Jason Jones Interview
on the Daily Show 8th Oct
very funny.



for jesus

Thanks for posting that, Arista. Can't beat the daily show and Colbert report.

Thursday is the magic day


[In a series of attacks encouraged by the
Obama administration, policymakers
gathered in the US capital for the annual
meeting of the International Monetary
Fund used the platform to call for an
agreement before Thursday's deadline
to raise America's
$16.7 trillion (£10.5tn) debt ceiling.
Mario Draghi, the president of the
European Central Bank, said:
"It is unthinkable that an agreement won't be found.
If this situation were to last a long time
this would be negative, very negative
for the US economy and the world
economy and could certainly harm the recovery."]


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/13/us-shutdown-threat-global-recovery-bankers

The IMF is impervious to government opinion, they are only swayed by evidence, so firstly, Obama has not been encouraging attacks, and secondly, it still wouldn't matter if he had.

[arista]

The Clock is ticking
tomorrow is the Debt Deadline
needs to go up from the near 17 Trillion bucks

Will America Crash the World Markets?


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/16/1381889629632/4414566a-4265-49d9-80f4-43890767e9ac-460x276.jpeg
[Pizza being taken to John Boehner's office
as the House speaker held talks with
Republicans after the collapse
of a deal to raise the government
debt ceiling temporarily. ]


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/16/us-government-shutdown-republicans-pull-out-of-deal-at-last-minute

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
Live from America reported the new Debt Deadline
will be set for Feb 2014.


The fights carry on.

[arista]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/business-news-markets-live/10381911/US-debt-ceiling-crisis-business-news-and-markets-live.html


The Senate leaders may have agreed
the deal but now the Senate has to vote.

[Tom4784]

Let's hope Obama doesn't fold to the Republicans, if he does they'll throw their toys out of the pram every time something they don't like gets written into Law. Treat them like the spoiled children they are.

[Jesus.]

The senate won't be the problem, they will pass it, it's the house that needs to pass something. John Boehner has to decide whether to follow his tealiban party into the abyss, or rely on Democrats to help him pass something sane.

[arista]

The senate won't be the problem, they will pass it, it's the house that needs to pass something. John Boehner has to decide whether to follow his tealiban party into the abyss, or rely on Democrats to help him pass something sane.

Of Course

Feb the 7th


[John Boehner and Ted Cruz surrender
to allow Democrats' debt bill to speed
through Congress before midnight debt-default deadline]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2463149/BOEHNER-CRIES-UNCLE-House-Republican-opposition-folds.html#ixzz2huShWezs


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/16/article-2463149-18C7986500000578-975_634x429.jpg

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/16/article-2461186-18C6473400000578-246_634x444.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/16/article-2463149-18C85CC200000578-503_638x362.jpg
Cartoon from a China Daily


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/16/article-2463149-18C89D9D00000578-463_634x435.jpg
Yes Harry
off to bed

[lostalex]

Cartoon from China Daily.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/16/article-2463149-18C85CC200000578-503_638x362.jpg
Yes Harry
off to bed

I don't like that. cheeky Chinese. who the hell do they think they are? :nono:

I say nuke 'em. :devil:

[Sticks]

This is not an end to the shut down only a pause. Part two in January.

With 144 votes in the House of Representatives against a last minute deal we can only surmise that the Tea Party are still considering themselves in the ascendant.

John Boehner will lose his seat now with a victorious Tea Party challenger in the primaries along with all those moderate republicans who voted it through. The Tea Party will be Avenged.

Was it really worth this pain to hang on to the Affordable Health Care act?

[Jesus.]

This is not an end to the shut down only a pause. Part two in January.

With 144 votes in the House of Representatives against a last minute deal we can only surmise that the Tea Party are still considering themselves in the ascendant.

John Boehner will lose his seat now with a victorious Tea Party challenger in the primaries along with all those moderate republicans who voted it through. The Tea Party will be Avenged.

Was it really worth this pain to hang on to the Affordable Health Care act?

A no vote is often symbolic once everyone knows the votes needed are already there, which they did in this instance, mainly due to the solid hand and leadership of Nancy Pelosi.

John Boehners positions is likely to be improved. He took it as far as he could and the extremists will be grateful about this.

If you think the tea party will try this again in February, then I don't. The polls are already stacked in fvour of the democrats taking congress back next year. One more false move, and the tealiban could be facing political wilderness. The establishment of the party will not allow this to happen.

[arista]

Yes the President
is live now on all media
trying to say get back to trading in full.


Meanwhile Contracts have gone to Europe and UK