Worst winter for decades: Record-breaking snow predicted for November

[michael21]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/436170/Worst-winter-for-decades-Record-breaking-snow-predicted-for-November

BRITAIN is braced for the "worst winter in decades" with the first major snowfall expected in weeks.

Forecasters last night warned the entire country is set for a horror freeze which will bring brutal winds and fierce blizzards.

Temperatures have already started to plunge as a swathe of cold air from the Arctic has swept across the UK in the past few days.

The first long-range forecasts warn of "recordbreaking snowfall" next month.

Heavy wintry showers are expected to cause widespread chaos with below-average temperatures possibly lingering until February.

Long-range forecasters blamed the position of a fast-flowing band of air known as the jet stream near to Britain and high pressure for the extreme conditions. Jonathan Powell, forecaster for Vantage Weather Services, said: 'We are looking at a potentially paralysing winter, the worst for decades, which could at times grind the nation to a halt.

'Persistent cold snaps with some very heavy snowfall are likely, and I would not be surprised if some records are not broken this year.

'The main issue will be the extreme cold which is showing signs of really bedding in, thanks to freezing winds from the north."

He blamed the 'poorly positioned" jet stream which is expected to be 'blocked" south of the UK, allowing a continual flow of freezing Arctic air.

James Madden, forecaster for Exacta Weather, said it was likely to be the worst winter for more than 100 years.

He said: 'A horror winter scenario is likely to bring another big freeze with copious snow for many parts.

'There is also a high risk that we will experience a scenario similar to December 2010 or much worse at times, especially in January.

'This is likely to produce major disruption to public transport and school closures on a prolific scale."

He went on: 'The cold theme from the latter part of October is likely to continue into November - and for the vast majority of the month.

'November could turn out to be a record-breaking month. There is the potential for some significant falls of snow. The northern half is likely to experience the worst conditions.

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Persistent cold snaps with some very heavy snowfall are likely, and I would not be surprised if some records are not broken this year.
Jonathan Powell, forecaster for Vantage Weather Services
'It is also likely the southern half will experience a number of major snow events throughout November."

The forecast of a harsh winter comes amid fears that millions of pensioners will face an 'eat or heat" dilemma this year as energy prices are set to rocket by up to 10 per cent.

Households in some areas have all ready been forced to crank up the heating in near-freezing conditions.

Government forecasters said overnight temperatures over the next few days will hover close to freezing in the North with the South in single figures.

Severe storms are thought to have caused the deaths of two people yesterday. A man was killed on the A350 near Trowbridge, Wiltshire, while a driver died when his Jeep spun off the A35 near Bournemouth.

Bad weather also led to ferry delays between Dover and Calais. During the storms, several tons of scaffolding collapsed in Great Yarmouth and trees came down in Essex.

The Met Office is warning of more heavy rain this weekend, with more than an inch in some areas, especially in the South. It issued a severe weather warning for the region today.

A spokesman said: 'Heavy rain is likely to continue into the weekend. Most of the wet weather stays in the South-east, East Anglia and the East Midlands. It is likely to feel cold, especially in areas of rainfall."

look bad we all need to be papered

#snowenber :love:

i might make a spin of to this thread in chat and games give red alerts when it going to get bad :amazed:

[Jordan.]

I want this to happen

[michael21]

I want this to happen

if the snow last for 3 moths the shcools will have to be open :dance::dance::dance:

[reece(:]

I don't like the sound of this :(

[michael21]

I don't like the sound of this :(

best get lot of things to keep you warm :o:eek:

[AnnieK]

:amazed: hope it's Day After tomorrow style bad

[michael21]

:amazed: hope it's Day After tomorrow style bad

its going to be far worst :bawling::bawling::bawling: :bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Vanessa]

Oh well, i work nearby, so it won't be much bother for me. :hugesmile:

[Gstar]

Ok ****** this, I'm going to my house in Trinidad until April bye

[michael21]

Oh well, i work nearby, so it won't be much bother for me. :hugesmile:

but there be no things in shops and stuff as the uk will shut down :bawling::bawling::bawling: :bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Kazanne]

Bring it on,lol love it

[michael21]

Ok ****** this, I'm going to my house in Trinidad until April bye

have a good time

[michael21]

Bring it on,lol love it

i bet you wont like it as it going to last longer then ever before :bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Vanessa]

but there be no things in shops and stuff as the uk will shut down :bawling::bawling::bawling: :bawling::bawling::bawling:

I'm sure it won't be that bad. :hugesmile:

[michael21]

I'm sure it won't be that bad. :hugesmile:

it will be this is why we need a plan :amazed:

[Marc]

yay

[Kizzy]

Yeah it's going to be wonderful... not :idc:

[Black Dagger]

oh you can go **** yourself.

[Kazanne]

i bet you wont like it as it going to last longer then ever before :bawling::bawling::bawling:

We will have to get on with it,some countries have snow all year round and cope quite well,the kids will love it:hugesmile:

[Kazanne]

Yeah it's going to be wonderful... not :idc:

Yeah,Kizzy lots of lovely snowball fights with the local youths,LOL,LOL

[RichardG]

I feel like it's been colder than usual the past couple of weeks so I wouldn't be surprised if this winter is harsher than normal!

[Glenn.]

Let it snow all it wants. For a week. Anymore than that is just a pain in the arse :bored:

[Kizzy]

oh you can go **** yourself.

Who?...

[Kizzy]

Yeah,Kizzy lots of lovely snowball fights with the local youths,LOL,LOL

Let me find a container large enough for my joy.... :bored:

[Josy]

Great news :amazed:

[michael21]

Who?...

that what i want to no :suspect:

[Marc]

we should try and raise money for the oldies on tibb to get blankets and heated sheets

[Kazanne]

Let me find a container large enough for my joy.... :bored:

I got a thimble you can borrow Kizzy:joker:

[Glenn.]

we should try and raise money for the oldies on tibb to get blankets and heated sheets

-donates £5 to the cause-

[michael21]

Great news :amazed:

why??????

[Josy]

why??????

Why not?

You don't expect it to be anything but cold/frosty/snowy etc in the winter here.

[michael21]

Why not?

You don't expect it to be anything but cold/frosty/snowy etc in the winter here.

cold/frosty/snowy would be fine but fierce blizzards horror freeze :bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling:

we never seen it this bad before

[Marc]

the number of days I'm going to get off :love:

[Drew.]

excellent, theres nothing worse than a cold winter with rain.. would much prefer snow.

[Jack_]

Hope this comes true but long range forecasts like this aren't the most reliable

A three month never ending snowfall reign from November to January would be amazing :D :D the country descending into chaos once again <3333

[michael21]

the number of days I'm going to get off :love:

the internet will still work as far as i no

[Josy]

cold/frosty/snowy would be fine but fierce blizzards horror freeze :bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling:

we never seen it this bad before

Yes we have, 2010 and plenty of other winters before that, didn't you actually read the article you posted?

[MTVN]

Snow at any time in this country is just wrong but when it's in November it's just ridiculous

[Princess]

****

[Verbal]

They say this every year. As long as it keeps snowing its fine, its when it starts melting and turning to ice it pisses me off

[Verbal]

Don't worry about the cold and the rising energy prices though, pensioners. People have Royal Mail shares!

[Kizzy]

we should try and raise money for the oldies on tibb to get blankets and heated sheets

Stop being facetious.

[Cherie]

Whenever they predict stuff like this it rarely happens. They predict it as a matter of course now so they can't be blamed for not issuing warnings.

[Josy]

Whenever they predict stuff like this it rarely happens. They predict it as a matter of course now so they can't be blamed for not issuing warnings.

Yep. They do it all the time.

They also throw in the standard panic phrases..

"worst winter in decades"

"horror freeze"

"recordbreaking snowfall"

"widespread chaos"

"paralysing winter"

Lets be honest, all it takes is a short snow flurry to bring the UK to a stand still :laugh:

[Verbal]

Yep. They do it all the time.

They also throw in the standard panic phrases..

"worst winter in decades"

"horror freeze"

"recordbreaking snowfall"

"widespread chaos"

"paralysing winter"

Lets be honest, all it takes is a short snow flurry to bring the UK to a stand still :laugh:
It is quite shameful to see how that happens, we get about an inch and a half of snow and the news reports are acting like they're reporting the apocalypse.

My parents have photos of me in a snow storm when i was about 4 and it was about 7 inches deep. The Government would probably shut down these days if that happened.

[Saph]

yaaay I love the snow, it means I cant get to college :amazed: (I can get into town to do some shopping though http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/public/style_emoticons/default/queenflopga.gif)

[Kizzy]

Everyone could afford to heat their home then though, anyway best not bang on or I'll be accused of being old or boring or sworn at...

[MTVN]

Would you bloody pipe down for one second kizzy http://goemaw.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/shaking_fist.png.gif

[smudgie]

I love the snow...but then I can hibernate if need be.
Not good ffor people struggling to work or keeping their homes warm.

[Verbal]

The company I work for have a severe weather policy that if you live within one mile of the office you have to get there even if you have to walk, or you don't get paid. Guess i'm going to be skint in November if this happens.

[Suze]

I did wonder as we have had one of the better summers in a while, whether that would herald a hard Winter. I like Winter, but this one sounds like it could be quite harsh, blizzard type weather can be quite nasty.

[Kizzy]

Would you bloody pipe down for one second kizzy http://goemaw.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/shaking_fist.png.gif

Ok, but know that for a large section of the community winter is going to be very long and very hard. There's a distinct possibility many won't survive it, young and old alike.....
Enjoy! :D

[Nedusa]

So a white Christmas is on the cards... Fantastic !!!

[Jake.]

:amazed:

[AnnieK]

A proper white Christmas with thick snow on the ground and light snow fall would be magical...:love:

[Samm]

Bring it on

[Nedusa]

A proper white Christmas with thick snow on the ground and light snow fall would be magical...:love:

Absolutely ....!!! Not just a few flakes in the air

[user104658]

Bye byeee economic upswing, then :joker:. If it's that bad we'll be in recession again next year.

[Marc]

I want this to happen

Same, I do love a proper winter. However I have have to use my car for my work and I have deadlines so maybe just a week of it...

[Josy]

Ok, but know that for a large section of the community winter is going to be very long and very hard. There's a distinct possibility many won't survive it, young and old alike.....
Enjoy! :D

We hear this every year too.......

[Me. I Am Salman]

not here for this http://www.abload.de/img/dead1g7ssu.gif

[Kizzy]

We hear this every year too.......

Yes and since 2010 it's become a reality.
In 2004 the average annual duel fuel bill was £540 in 2013 it's £1340 and they are due to rise again by 2014 by 8-10%.

[Josy]

Yes and since 2010 it's become a reality.
In 2004 the average annual duel fuel bill was £540 in 2013 it's £1340 and they are due to rise again by 2014 by 8-10%.

Well Kizzy you can't stop the winter weather during the winter....

[Kizzy]

Well Kizzy you can't stop the winter weather during the winter....

Do you not feel raising energy prices by 10% just prior to winter pernicious?
Raise earlier to offset the winter demand if needs be.
Nowhere in my post did I suggest winter weather could be avoided josy

[Josy]

Do you not feel raising energy prices by 10% just prior to winter pernicious?
Raise earlier to offset the winter demand if needs be.
Nowhere in my post did I suggest winter weather could be avoided josy

The point of my post Kizzy was that we can't do anything about it, we cant change the weather and we can't change the fuel cost hikes, of course the rising prices has a terrible effect on people but we are powerless to do anything about it.

Every year we hear about these terrible winters that we are going to be hit with and every year we hear that people are going to lose their lives because they can't afford the fuel bills but in reality all we can do is prepare for winter the best we can.

The fuel companies are running a business and the best time for them to raise prices is obviously the winter.

[Cherie]

The point of my post Kizzy was that we can't do anything about it, we cant change the weather and we can't change the fuel cost hikes, of course the rising prices has a terrible effect on people but we are powerless to do anything about it.

Every year we hear about these terrible winters that we are going to be hit with and every year we hear that people are going to lose their lives because they can't afford the fuel bills but in reality all we can do is prepare for winter the best we can.

The fuel companies are running a business and the best time for them to raise prices is obviously the winter.

This, and also I think we can all probably do with using a bit less fuel and be more economical, when you consider very few houses had central heating before the 70s, we are a bit soft now I think. I remember waking up when I was young to frost patterns inside the windows, they were magical but it was bliddy freezing when getting dressed.

[Kizzy]

The point of my post Kizzy was that we can't do anything about it, we cant change the weather and we can't change the fuel cost hikes, of course the rising prices has a terrible effect on people but we are powerless to do anything about it.

Every year we hear about these terrible winters that we are going to be hit with and every year we hear that people are going to lose their lives because they can't afford the fuel bills but in reality all we can do is prepare for winter the best we can.

The fuel companies are running a business and the best time for them to raise prices is obviously the winter.

It did sound a bit glib, put up and shut up is an option yes I suppose.
They are yes, and from a business point of view that makes sense but ethically it's wrong imo.
The British Red Cross have recently added Britain to their list of countries where some require food aid.. is this right?

[Josy]

It did sound a bit glib, put up and shut up is an option yes I suppose.
They are yes, and from a business point of view that makes sense but ethically it's wrong imo.
The British Red Cross have recently added Britain to their list of countries where some require food aid.. is this right?

Of course it isn't right, that's a pretty pointless question here tbh and isn't anything to do with this thread.

[Ninastar]

only on tibb can a thread about snow cause arguments...

bring it on, i'm so excited!! i love snow

although people were saying it's going to snow in october, and that's not true...

but plz be true weather gods....

[Gstar]

have a good time

thank you

[Kizzy]

It's not an argument... It's a discussion.
Anticipating bad weather has a direct link to a discussion on fuel costs, if you don't want to be part of the discussion josy that's fine.
Cherie I remember that too, the days before central heating. You put the gas fire on in the morning or lit the coal fire/ wood burning stove with back boiler to heat the water....
My point is you could.... as opposed to can't afford to.

[smudgie]

We are definitely softer now, comes with people having central heating.

Continental quilts help as well.

I can remember people piling their coats on top of the blankes to keep themselves warm in the seventies.
No winter fuel payments then either if I remember correctly.

Really bad side of loads of snow is that our daughter wont get home for Xmas.:bawling:

[Cherie]

It's not an argument... It's a discussion.
Anticipating bad weather has a direct link to a discussion on fuel costs, if you don't want to be part of the discussion josy that's fine.
Cherie I remember that too, the days before central heating. You put the gas fire on in the morning or lit the coal fire/ wood burning stove with back boiler to heat the water....
My point is you could.... as opposed to can't afford to.


I'm not sure they could afford to heat their houses back in the day that is why heating was a luxury!, I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying whilst we have no control over the weather and price hikes, we do have control over how much energy we use ourselves and maybe we as a consumer need to rethink how we live our lives and act accordingly, switching energy providers is a nonsense as whilst there may be savings in the short term, in the long term you end up paying more (at least that has been my experience), the only way to guarantee lower bills is to just use less unfortunately!

[Cherie]

We are definitely softer now, comes with people having central heating.

Continental quilts help as well.

I can remember people piling their coats on top of the blankes to keep themselves warm in the seventies.
No winter fuel payments then either if I remember correctly.

Really bad side of loads of snow is that our daughter wont get home for Xmas.:bawling:

I remember that as a kid as well.:joker: where does your daughter live Smudgie?

[Vicky.]

I dont believe it. Every year we get these announcements right before the prices shoot up.

[Josy]

It's not an argument... It's a discussion.
Anticipating bad weather has a direct link to a discussion on fuel costs, if you don't want to be part of the discussion josy that's fine.
Cherie I remember that too, the days before central heating. You put the gas fire on in the morning or lit the coal fire/ wood burning stove with back boiler to heat the water....
My point is you could.... as opposed to can't afford to.

Stop replying to things that I haven't actually said please.

You started going down the food aid route well that's a branch too far out for this topic IMO, we were discussing weather, you brought up the fuel costs point in connection with the weather and I replied to that but I'm sure if you want to start a thread about food aid then members will be happy to discuss it with you.

As for the thread topic, bring on the snow I say :love:

[Ammi]

Same, I do love a proper winter. However I have have to use my car for my work and I have deadlines so maybe just a week of it...

..yeah, driving in the ice/snow is something I don't like and especially on small country roads which don't always get gritted/salted before you leave for work...

[Josy]

..yeah, driving in the ice/snow is something I don't like and especially on small country roads which don't always get gritted/salted before you leave for work...

I was quite surprised when I moved back to my home village last year in that the gritters are out constantly at even the slightest sight of frost never mind snow, they even have men walking up and down the sidewalks here shovelling grit to keep the paths clear and then when it does snow the farmers join in to keep the place gritted.

I think that probably has something to do with this village being on the news a few years back because people were snowed in for days though but the comparison from where I used to live is shocking.

[Kizzy]

Most only had heating downstairs then as the hearth was the home as it were.
I remember it being freezing upstairs and warm downstairs, my dad yelling 'shut that door'!
to keep the heat in.
Continental quilts, candlewicks, hot water bottles, electric blankets, bedsocks, thermal vests, longjohns and nightcaps...
They were all great!
Are we then suggesting that for some they go back to living in one room as they are being held to ransom by the big 6, or is it just a case of needs must?

[Kizzy]

Stop replying to things that I haven't actually said please.

You started going down the food aid route well that's a branch too far out for this topic IMO, we were discussing weather, you brought up the fuel costs point in connection with the weather and I replied to that but I'm sure if you want to start a thread about food aid then members will be happy to discuss it with you.

As for the thread topic, bring on the snow I say :love:

There is a proven causal link, and my posts followed the natural progression of the topic.
This is in serious debates, if you want a fluffy thread about snow move it to chat and games.

[Vicky.]

Tbh, I am extremely sympathetic to the vulnerable. However I dont see how people will die because they can't afford to heat their home. OAPs, disabled and those on low incomes get 150 quid off their energy bills via whatever company they are with for the winter months. And Also get cold weather payments. I believe thats another 200 or so quid for OAPs/disabled...though only 20 quid per week that its below 0 for low income families with kids.

[Josy]

There is a proven causal link, and my posts followed the natural progression of the topic.
This is in serious debates, if you want a fluffy thread about snow move it to chat and games.

How about you just go find a thread that's all doom and gloom if that keeps you happy, this thread wont be getting moved just because it's not serious enough for you Kizzy.

[Josy]

Tbh, I am extremely sympathetic to the vulnerable. However I dont see how people will die because they can't afford to heat their home. OAPs, disabled and those on low incomes get 150 quid off their energy bills via whatever company they are with for the winter months. And Also get cold weather payments. I believe thats another 200 or so quid for OAPs/disabled...though only 20 quid per week that its below 0 for low income families with kids.

I agree with this.

[MTVN]

Think about the poor buggers in places like Siberia, now that would be freeze to death territory

[Vicky.]

The only way older people cannot afford to heat their homes, by my reckoning, taking into account the amount they are given to do so...is if they spend it on other things instead of heat..and whos fault is that? :shrug:

[Kazanne]

If it's really bad I can see the down side ,schools will close etc,having the knock on effect of people not being able to work,but if councils etc was to do their jobs properly I'm sure we could enjoy a few inches:hugesmile:

[Redway]

:amazed:

[Kizzy]

How about you just go find a thread that's all doom and gloom if that keeps you happy, this thread wont be getting moved just because it's not serious enough for you Kizzy.

Fine, as long as you don't try censor me as to what direction I take the conversation.
Nobody is duty bound to respond are they? I'm just having my say.

[Cherie]

Most only had heating downstairs then as the hearth was the home as it were.
I remember it being freezing upstairs and warm downstairs, my dad yelling 'shut that door'!
to keep the heat in.
Continental quilts, candlewicks, hot water bottles, electric blankets, bedsocks, thermal vests, longjohns and nightcaps...
They were all great!
Are we then suggesting that for some they go back to living in one room as they are being held to ransom by the big 6, or is it just a case of needs must?

Well kind of :joker: I'm just saying we are probably all a little bit "too used" to having central heating and maybe we should turn it off, at least that way we regain a bit of control over what we spend. We cannot change the pricing structure, the government aren't going to force prices down and Labour will only freeze what is already in place so we got to do it in our own small way I think.

[Kizzy]

I'm saying that the government could and should intervene, they did in the banks, housing and trains?...
Why is this any different? because it only affects the vulnerable, and nobody cares enough about them, thats how I see it.

[Ammi]

I was quite surprised when I moved back to my home village last year in that the gritters are out constantly at even the slightest sight of frost never mind snow, they even have men walking up and down the sidewalks here shovelling grit to keep the paths clear and then when it does snow the farmers join in to keep the place gritted.

I think that probably has something to do with this village being on the news a few years back because people were snowed in for days though but the comparison from where I used to live is shocking.

..yeah, I think also there's often more inclement weather in the North and Scotland, so they probably prepare better for it than they do here...it isn't actually too bad because they do have the gritters out at night as well but not always, especially when it's come more unexpectedly at the very beginning of the ice/snow periods we have..I do love it and I love 'snow days' lol..but not so much those days when it's just a little bit and icy or black ice on the roads...I like it when there's lots..if it's going to snow, let it snow..lol...

[Cherie]

I'm saying that the government could and should intervene, they did in the banks, housing and trains?...
Why is this any different? because it only affects the vulnerable, and nobody cares enough about them, thats how I see it.

Yes of course they should but we have to be realistic here, it is unlikely they will, except maybe in election year.

[MTVN]

Things like gas prices are determined by international markets though, and tbh if the companies knew a freeze was coming they would just push up prices before it..

[Me. I Am Salman]

moral of the story: just wear an extra jumper

[Lee.]

This is so depressing :bored:

[Vicky.]

Things like gas prices are determined by international markets though, and tbh if the companies knew a freeze was coming they would just push up prices before it..

Well not really. Hikes are put down to being because of that, but you never see prices go down when the wholesale price comes down...

[Kizzy]

Things like gas prices are determined by international markets though, and tbh if the companies knew a freeze was coming they would just push up prices before it..

Yes they go down as well as up, has there ever been a reduction in gas prices?
Are their profit margins ever affected by this flux.... no.
Yes I see them jumping for joy at the prospect of another harsh winter, can they explain why when oil has risen 4% the bills rise 10%.... no.

[Cherie]

I saw some bod from SS blaming the government for making them pay for cavity wall insulation for customers, and also the green taxes. So if you didn't get your "free" cavity wall insulation get it because you are paying for it anyway.

[MTVN]

Well not really. Hikes are put down to being because of that, but you never see prices go down when the wholesale price comes down...

But that's the reason prices have been on a steady increase over the last few years, because we import so much now we're a lot more exposed to global markets, doesn't help that there's loads of green taxes on energy bills these days either

This is why we should encourage fracking imo

[Vicky.]

What the bloody hell is fracking? :conf:

[Kizzy]

Q. what other possibly lethal gas could be released by fracking?

[MTVN]

What the bloody hell is fracking? :conf:

Not completely sure of the ins and outs of it lol, but it's like drilling deep into the earth to get gas from shale rock, been used a lot in America which has got them cheaper prices but the environmentalists are dead against it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14432401

[Kizzy]

But that's the reason prices have been on a steady increase over the last few years, because we import so much now we're a lot more exposed to global markets, doesn't help that there's loads of green taxes on energy bills these days either

This is why we should encourage fracking imo

The green taxes are not the issue here, stick to the point... Are you a politician? :laugh:

[Cherie]

What the bloody hell is fracking? :conf:

drilling in the seas around Britain for gas.

oops not in the sea..

[Drew.]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fd5267ff1121b0d3eb331a2bf831f0de/tumblr_muld9bvfCd1rmhhnno1_500.gif

[Kizzy]

Not completely sure of the ins and outs of it lol, but it's like drilling deep into the earth to get gas from shale rock, been used a lot in America which has got them cheaper prices but the environmentalists are dead against it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14432401

If you don't know what it is or the implications of it why are you saying you welcome it?
Best to educate yourself on things before you decide to champion them.
It's not just environmentalists that oppose it but geologists too.

[Cherie]

Can anybody tell me did electricity prices ever fall after they put up all those wind turbines in various locations?

[Ammi]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fd5267ff1121b0d3eb331a2bf831f0de/tumblr_muld9bvfCd1rmhhnno1_500.gif

..:love:...what a great snow pic/gif....

[MTVN]

If you don't know what it is or the implications of it why are you saying you welcome it?
Best to educate yourself on things before you decide to champion them.
It's not just environmentalists that oppose it but geologists too.

No need to be patronising, we can't all be as all round enlightened as you

I mean I don't know the specifics of the actual method, I do know that it has been very successful in the US, that it would make energy bills cheaper, and that if done properly it doesn't necessarily cause massive harm to the environment. Plus environmentalists invariably exaggerate the dangers of things like this :idc:

[MTVN]

The green taxes are not the issue here, stick to the point... Are you a politician? :laugh:

Well they are an issue if they add to energy bills

[lostalex]

I hate people that complain about snow, i would give anything to have snow here in California.

When i have fond memories of my childhood, almost all of them involve snow.

[Kizzy]

No need to be patronising, we can't all be as all round enlightened as you

I mean I don't know the specifics of the actual method, I do know that it has been very successful in the US, that it would make energy bills cheaper, and that if done properly it doesn't necessarily cause massive harm to the environment. Plus environmentalists invariably exaggerate the dangers of things like this :idc:

Ok sorry, it is daft to say you want something and not know what it is or the implications.
We are around 850 miles from one end to the other, the proposed places for testing is Leeds... forgive me for not sharing your enthusiasm.

[Kizzy]

Can anybody tell me did electricity prices ever fall after they put up all those wind turbines in various locations?

I don't think that was the intention, they are just an alternative to coal and nuclear as a means of generating electricity as far as I know as they are cleaner and greener.

[MTVN]

Ok sorry, it is daft to say you want something and not know what it is or the implications.
We are around 850 miles from one end to the other, the proposed places for testing is Leeds... forgive me for not sharing your enthusiasm.

I didn't say I didn't know what it is or the implications of it, I said I wasn't really clued up on the specifics of the method, like if I hadn't read that article I couldn't tell you off the top of my head that "a high-pressure water mixture is directed at the rock to release the gas inside. Water, sand and chemicals are injected into the rock at high pressure which allows the gas to flow out to the head of the well. The process is carried out vertically or, more commonly, by drilling horizontally to the rock layer"

[Cherie]

I don't think that was the intention, they are just an alternative to coal and nuclear as a means of generating electricity as far as I know as they are cleaner and greener.

Wouldn't it be nice if they passed on even a small percentage, as it is a natural resource that is powering them, and I presume the tax payer paid to build them, just a thought.

[Kizzy]

Well they are an issue if they add to energy bills

If you want to deviate the point away from the energy companies ethical responsibilities yes...
I understand this may be under debate now my guess is it could be removed.
At what cost I don't know.

[Kizzy]

Wouldn't it be nice if they passed on even a small percentage, as it is a natural resource that is powering them, and I presume the tax payer paid to build them, just a thought.

But it would be impossible to measure how much energy they save each household, the benefit is not having to rely so heavily on fossil fuel and aid in decarbonisation targets.
It may not benefit us at all initially, it's an investment in the future.
Less pollutants and as we have little coal of our own (spit) less importation costs.

[Glenn.]

Why has this gone completely off topic? The topics about snow not fuel prices and fracking

[Glenn.]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fd5267ff1121b0d3eb331a2bf831f0de/tumblr_muld9bvfCd1rmhhnno1_500.gif

This is more like it :love:

[Cherie]

Why has this gone completely off topic? The topics about snow not fuel prices and fracking

Hardly.

[Kizzy]

Why has this gone completely off topic? The topics about snow not fuel prices and fracking

It's all relative. Post some pictures of snow if you want glenn cheer us up?

[Glenn.]

My thinking is if you want to talk about fuel prices and fracking, make a thread and you can go to town on the subject.

[MTVN]

Meh I'd say that energy prices are pretty relevant to a thread about us apparently having the "worst winter ever"

[Vicky.]

Meanwhile, the government find 900m from nowhere (remember, we are apparently skint)..to NOT pay volunteers to talk to the vulnerable about how to change suppliers :conf:

Absolutely crazy.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/436349/900million-plan-to-cut-winter-fuel-deaths

[Samm]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fd5267ff1121b0d3eb331a2bf831f0de/tumblr_muld9bvfCd1rmhhnno1_500.gif

Can't wait :amazed:

[lostalex]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fd5267ff1121b0d3eb331a2bf831f0de/tumblr_muld9bvfCd1rmhhnno1_500.gif

yes.

[michael21]

Why not?

You don't expect it to be anything but cold/frosty/snowy etc in the winter here.

i see you made a thread on this very subject :hmph:

you hippeycrit :laugh:

[Nedusa]

Maybe a white Christmas then..........although I wouldn't bet on it !!!

[Nedusa]

Hope this comes true but long range forecasts like this aren't the most reliable

A three month never ending snowfall reign from November to January would be amazing :D :D the country descending into chaos once again <3333

Actually that happens after 3 days of snow..........!!!:hugesmile::hugesmile:

[michael21]

Maybe a white Christmas then..........although I wouldn't bet on it !!!

looking at the latest weather updated it look like Scotland we get the worst of it not much snow where i am hehehe

snow for Scotland in the coming days :dance::dance::dance:

[smeagol]

bit like the hurricane that never happened.
these weathermen are like mystic meg they know nothing.

if you want to know the weather look at the window i say lol