Madeleine McCann: British man arrested in the hunt for missing girl

[chuff me dizzy]

IF (Im not ramming it down anyones necks) you want to read more of case files,please got to this link ,all bookmarks down left hand side of page ......... http://www.mccannfiles.com/

[Vanessa]

IF (Im not ramming it down anyones necks) you want to read more of case files,please got to this link ,all bookmarks down left hand side of page ......... http://www.mccannfiles.com/

It's not fair. The poor girl deserves some closure. :(

[Niamh.]

IF (Im not ramming it down anyones necks) you want to read more of case files,please got to this link ,all bookmarks down left hand side of page ......... http://www.mccannfiles.com/

It's so easy to get caught up reading that site, the case is definitely intriguing and odd

[chuff me dizzy]

It's not fair. The poor girl deserves some closure. :(

Yes Vanessa it awful and so wrong :bawling:

[chuff me dizzy]

It's so easy to get caught up reading that site, the case is definitely intriguing and odd

Isnt it just ? There are some days I get up and think Ive got to walk away ,but I cant,I hate injustice and I hate lies and this entire case is built on both

[Livia]

I noticed at the end of the programme about the McCanns last night, there was a direct number to call to speak to Scotland yard if you had any information. I hope everyone on here with all that evidence did their duty and called.

[Josy]

I noticed at the end of the programme about the McCanns last night, there was a direct number to call to speak to Scotland yard if you had any information. I hope everyone on here with all that evidence did their duty and called.

No one here claims to have any more info than what's already been widely made available online

[chuff me dizzy]

I noticed at the end of the programme about the McCanns last night, there was a direct number to call to speak to Scotland yard if you had any information. I hope everyone on here with all that evidence did their duty and called.

The evidence is there for all to see, if they chose too,but some prefer to bury their heads ,its called notinmybackyard syndrome

[Z]

I'm sure they'll be able to confirm it's her remains if they do find it there, but it's not very likely that there will be anything left of her body bar her skeleton if she's been dead for 7 years - so they won't be able to figure out how she died unless there's damage to her skeleton, I would have thought? So even if they find her skeleton, all that will do is confirm she's dead and the last 7 years of false sightings and fund raising have been pointless because her dead body was lying relatively close by to the apartment all this time. All these allegations of paedophile rings and preposterous theories about her being taken away in a boat will be proven to be farce. All that finding her skeleton will do is confirm that she is dead which will give the world closure on the matter; it won't prove how she died (probably) and it won't prove the McCanns to be innocent or guilty (probably).

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm sure they'll be able to confirm it's her remains if they do find it there, but it's not very likely that there will be anything left of her body bar her skeleton if she's been dead for 7 years - so they won't be able to figure out how she died unless there's damage to her skeleton, I would have thought? So even if they find her skeleton, all that will do is confirm she's dead and the last 7 years of false sightings and fund raising have been pointless because her dead body was lying relatively close by to the apartment all this time. All these allegations of paedophile rings and preposterous theories about her being taken away in a boat will be proven to be farce. All that finding her skeleton will do is confirm that she is dead which will give the world closure on the matter; it won't prove how she died (probably) and it won't prove the McCanns to be innocent or guilty (probably).

There would still be hair, which would show if she had been drugged as lots of forums think she had

[Z]

There would still be hair, which would show if she had been drugged as lots of forums think she had

Really? After 7 years?? I don't know much at all about decomposition but that seems like an awful long time, especially considering she was 3 years old so her body would decompose a lot faster than an adult body as there's less of her, I'm assuming?

[Ninastar]

So have they actually found a body near the apartment?

[Kizzy]

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are carrying out DNA tests on scraps of clothing they found in a hidden pit just feet from where she vanished, it has been claimed.
Forensic experts drafted in from the UK are said to be carrying out analysis of the 'non-organic' material, which was found near a hole in the ground on wasteland in Portugal's Praia de Luz resort.
The find comes as officers said they need they need at least another week to search the strip of wasteland, which is just 1,000 feet from the Ocean Club complex from which Madeleine went missing on the evening of Thursday May 3, 2007.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2650334/Police-searching-Madeleine-McCann-carry-DNA-tests-scraps-clothing-hidden-pit-just-metres-went-missing.html

[Kazanne]

I always had that thought that she had woken up and went looking for them and maybe fell down a shaft,I'm sure I posted it here somewhere in the past,I'm not sold on the abduction theory.

[Josy]

I always had that thought that she had woken up and went looking for them and maybe fell down a shaft,I'm sure I posted it here somewhere in the past,I'm not sold on the abduction theory.

The area is too far away from the apartment for her to have wandered there un noticed by anyone, IMO.

[arista]

The area is too far away from the apartment for her to have wandered there un noticed by anyone, IMO.

Yes its open land away from Lights

[Niamh.]

The area is too far away from the apartment for her to have wandered there un noticed by anyone, IMO.

Yeah, it's unlikely, she would have been wondering around alone in her pajamas

[Vicky.]

I always had that thought that she had woken up and went looking for them and maybe fell down a shaft,I'm sure I posted it here somewhere in the past,I'm not sold on the abduction theory.

This for me was another puzzling part of this. Her parents are absolutely adamant that waking and wandering was not a possibility. For me..leaving the doors open, that would have been my first thought if a child able to get herself out of bed and walk about (who had a habit of waking and wandering too apparently) was gone from her bed :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Definitely. Especially after she said "I was looking for you" or "I couldn't find you" about the night before.

Kate's first words being "They've taken her" or some such is a huge "wtf?" to me. :shrug:

Surely the first reaction (I would imagine) would be running out onto the street to see if she had walked off.

[Niamh.]

This for me was another puzzling part of this. Her parents are absolutely adamant that waking and wandering was not a possibility. For me..leaving the doors open, that would have been my first thought if a child able to get herself out of bed and walk about (who had a habit of waking and wandering too apparently) was gone from her bed :shrug:

Yeah me as well and especially since she'd already told them she'd woken up the night before and was crying and looking for them. She's been kidnapped would certainly not be the first thing I would have thought especially when the other two kids were still there asleep and there was no sign of a break in. I would think that If I was in that situation the first thing I'd be doing would be to search and get everyone else searching for and calling her name etc. I can't understand why they would be so hell bent on dismissing, the most likely of possibilities, that she wandered, through the unlocked door to look for them

[CaudleHalbard]

Amaral 's theory - as I recall it - was that the child woke (from sedative-assisted sleep) climbed onto the sofa to look out of the window, fell behind the sofa and died after hitting her head on the hard marble floor. Hence blood found behind the sofa.

The rest, it is theorised, was cover-up to protect the McCanns' professional reputations as doctors. Gerry's large blue sports bag has never been found..........

[Niamh.]

Amaral 's theory - as I recall it - was that the child woke (from sedative-assisted sleep) climbed onto the sofa to look out of the window, fell behind the sofa and died after hitting her head on the hard marble floor. Hence blood found behind the sofa.

The rest, it is theorised, was cover-up to protect the McCanns' professional reputations as doctors. Gerry's large blue sports bag has never been found..........

See that to me sounds pretty plausible but the only thing I don't understand is who would help them cover it up and why? Having a good job is surely not motivation enough to cover up a childs death and waste millions and millions on pointless investigations, I mean they're not the president of the US or anything

[Josy]

Definitely. Especially after she said "I was looking for you" or "I couldn't find you" about the night before.

Kate's first words being "They've taken her" or some such is a huge "wtf?" to me. :shrug:

Surely the first reaction (I would imagine) would be running out onto the street to see if she had walked off.

Yep this has been my thought since finding out her wording on the night

[chuff me dizzy]

I always had that thought that she had woken up and went looking for them and maybe fell down a shaft,I'm sure I posted it here somewhere in the past,I'm not sold on the abduction theory.

But that would rule out the dog evidence of blood, cadaver in 5a and on Kates clothing

[chuff me dizzy]

Amaral 's theory - as I recall it - was that the child woke (from sedative-assisted sleep) climbed onto the sofa to look out of the window, fell behind the sofa and died after hitting her head on the hard marble floor. Hence blood found behind the sofa.

The rest, it is theorised, was cover-up to protect the McCanns' professional reputations as doctors. Gerry's large blue sports bag has never been found..........

Yes all true ,Amarals belief is as you say ,he then goes on to say they disposed of her body ,which is what i believe too

[Jack_]

Amaral 's theory - as I recall it - was that the child woke (from sedative-assisted sleep) climbed onto the sofa to look out of the window, fell behind the sofa and died after hitting her head on the hard marble floor. Hence blood found behind the sofa.

The rest, it is theorised, was cover-up to protect the McCanns' professional reputations as doctors. Gerry's large blue sports bag has never been found..........

Well that sounds plausible but it would've been an accidental death, so what would be the motivation to cover it up?

[Niamh.]

Well that sounds plausible but it would've been an accidental death, so what would be the motivation to cover it up?

Well, the theory is that they used to sedate the kids when they went out so if she fell while they were out while drugged, then it would be manslaughter rather than accidental death

[chuff me dizzy]

Really? After 7 years?? I don't know much at all about decomposition but that seems like an awful long time, especially considering she was 3 years old so her body would decompose a lot faster than an adult body as there's less of her, I'm assuming?

Googled it ,according to this is takes 8 years for hair to decompose http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_it_take_human_hair_to_decompose?#sli de=2

[chuff me dizzy]

PLEASE sign and share this petition for mccann to take lie test http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-mccanns-british-polygraph-test?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_facebook_mobile&recruiter=59256806 …

[Z]

Googled it ,according to this is takes 8 years for hair to decompose http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_it_take_human_hair_to_decompose?#sli de=2

Time's definitely running out then. Makes the conspiracy theorist in me wonder if they've stalled for time so the McCanns can get away with it. I was having a rant about them to my parents before I went out last night because it was on the news, still think they should be jailed or at least given community service for neglecting their kids and allowing this to happen in the first place, even if they have nothing to do with her disappearance/death it's still 100% their fault that this opportunity arose in the first place. Compared to the James Bulger case, for example. His mum had her back turned for a second and those awful boys took her son away. The McCanns left their kids alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while they went out to get drunk with their friends. So irresponsible and it makes me very angry that they've 1) become celebrities out of this and 2) have profited out of the public's sympathy for a little blonde white girl whose parents are middle class doctors. If they were from a council estate nobody would feel sorry for them, would they? The double standards make me so angry.

[Kizzy]

Time's definitely running out then. Makes the conspiracy theorist in me wonder if they've stalled for time so the McCanns can get away with it. I was having a rant about them to my parents before I went out last night because it was on the news, still think they should be jailed or at least given community service for neglecting their kids and allowing this to happen in the first place, even if they have nothing to do with her disappearance/death it's still 100% their fault that this opportunity arose in the first place. Compared to the James Bulger case, for example. His mum had her back turned for a second and those awful boys took her son away. The McCanns left their kids alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while they went out to get drunk with their friends. So irresponsible and it makes me very angry that they've 1) become celebrities out of this and 2) have profited out of the public's sympathy for a little blonde white girl whose parents are middle class doctors. If they were from a council estate nobody would feel sorry for them, would they? The double standards make me so angry.

You see.... this is why I love you.

Succinct and with no supercillious undertone :worship:

[Z]

I mean I honestly don't care at this point anymore what actually happened on that night, it almost doesn't matter anymore. She is gone. Even if she's still alive somewhere, what kind of a life will she lead now? She'll have been abused in the most horrific ways, the McCanns aren't going to get their little 3 year old back, they'll be getting an 11 year old psychologically ruined, possibly disabled girl who can never lead a normal life. The chances are that even if she was kidnapped for a paedophile ring, she'll be long dead, she became high profile and is probably the most well known missing child in the world, there's no way they'd keep her alive. Best possible scenario is she was kidnapped for adoption, but then who's going to have adopted her and NOT know who she is? So let's face it, that little girl died a long time ago. They're not likely to ever catch whoever did it unless they have a body, and it's been 7 years and she's probably been dead this whole time, so they're not going to find a body, at best they'll find skeletons and maybe some remnants of her corpse - but again, how much can they prove with that? It's just grim. I don't think they'll ever solve this case. But it's clear to me that her parents are horrible people who clearly do not accept any responsibility for her disappearance and that to me is criminal in itself. Lock them up for god's sake! They've refused to cooperate with the police over their own little girl's disappearance! I think they're terrible, terrible people. Why would you not answer every single question and try your absolute best to get her back? Arseholes. I ****ing hate them!!!

[Josy]

Zee LOL I know it's not exactly a thread I should be laughing in but I laughed when I got to the last sentence of your post there.

I basically agree with most of what you said.

[Z]

Zee LOL I know it's not exactly a thread I should be laughing in but I laughed when I got to the last sentence of your post there.

I basically agree with most of what you said.

:laugh: They make me so mad, my parents were laughing at me as well last night when I started doing impressions of Gerry... "Kaaate and I were having taaapas..."

[Niamh.]

Time's definitely running out then. Makes the conspiracy theorist in me wonder if they've stalled for time so the McCanns can get away with it. I was having a rant about them to my parents before I went out last night because it was on the news, still think they should be jailed or at least given community service for neglecting their kids and allowing this to happen in the first place, even if they have nothing to do with her disappearance/death it's still 100% their fault that this opportunity arose in the first place. Compared to the James Bulger case, for example. His mum had her back turned for a second and those awful boys took her son away. The McCanns left their kids alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while they went out to get drunk with their friends. So irresponsible and it makes me very angry that they've 1) become celebrities out of this and 2) have profited out of the public's sympathy for a little blonde white girl whose parents are middle class doctors. If they were from a council estate nobody would feel sorry for them, would they? The double standards make me so angry.

Yeah you're so right, me and Gav were talking about it last night too and we just couldn't get to grips with what they did leaving those kids alone like that, you just don't do that as a responsible parent and also we came to the conclusion had they not been well to do Doctors they'd have been investigated more throughly and charged with neglect

[Kizzy]

I mean I honestly don't care at this point anymore what actually happened on that night, it almost doesn't matter anymore. She is gone. Even if she's still alive somewhere, what kind of a life will she lead now? She'll have been abused in the most horrific ways, the McCanns aren't going to get their little 3 year old back, they'll be getting an 11 year old psychologically ruined, possibly disabled girl who can never lead a normal life. The chances are that even if she was kidnapped for a paedophile ring, she'll be long dead, she became high profile and is probably the most well known missing child in the world, there's no way they'd keep her alive. Best possible scenario is she was kidnapped for adoption, but then who's going to have adopted her and NOT know who she is? So let's face it, that little girl died a long time ago. They're not likely to ever catch whoever did it unless they have a body, and it's been 7 years and she's probably been dead this whole time, so they're not going to find a body, at best they'll find skeletons and maybe some remnants of her corpse - but again, how much can they prove with that? It's just grim. I don't think they'll ever solve this case. But it's clear to me that her parents are horrible people who clearly do not accept any responsibility for her disappearance and that to me is criminal in itself. Lock them up for god's sake! They've refused to cooperate with the police over their own little girl's disappearance! I think they're terrible, terrible people. Why would you not answer every single question and try your absolute best to get her back? Arseholes. I ****ing hate them!!!

It feels that way to me too, it's the injustice of the double standard applied in this case that makes it worse somehow. And the way this is continually glossed over that they are 100% to blame for her disappearance and that has never been acknowledged.
It's almost doubly tragic that she's gone without a trace and those who were meant to protect her were negligent and yet paraded as the victims!
Not answering questions, not searching, playing tennis like normal.... just crazy.

[Z]

It feels that way to me too, it's the injustice of the double standard applied in this case that makes it worse somehow. And the way this is continually glossed over that they are 100% to blame for her disappearance and that has never been acknowledged.
It's almost doubly tragic that she's gone without a trace and those who were meant to protect her were negligent and yet paraded as the victims!
Not answering questions, not searching, playing tennis like normal.... just crazy.

Yep, just says it all really doesn't it? Entirely their fault she's gone and yet they're playing the victim card and have never so much as faced any kind of repercussions for obstructing police investigations or for their negligence in the first place! If I was more legally minded I'd want to try and launch some kind of public case against them and get them behind bars or into community service or something, they've bled the public dry with this ****ing nonsense...!

[chuff me dizzy]

Time's definitely running out then. Makes the conspiracy theorist in me wonder if they've stalled for time so the McCanns can get away with it. I was having a rant about them to my parents before I went out last night because it was on the news, still think they should be jailed or at least given community service for neglecting their kids and allowing this to happen in the first place, even if they have nothing to do with her disappearance/death it's still 100% their fault that this opportunity arose in the first place. Compared to the James Bulger case, for example. His mum had her back turned for a second and those awful boys took her son away. The McCanns left their kids alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while they went out to get drunk with their friends. So irresponsible and it makes me very angry that they've 1) become celebrities out of this and 2) have profited out of the public's sympathy for a little blonde white girl whose parents are middle class doctors. If they were from a council estate nobody would feel sorry for them, would they? The double standards make me so angry.

Very true on all counts ,PLEASE sign the petition ,IMO before Cameron handed over £10m of taxpayers money she should have been made to answer 48 police questions she refused and take lie test, but hes got no backbone

[Marsh.]

:laugh: They make me so mad, my parents were laughing at me as well last night when I started doing impressions of Gerry... "Kaaate and I were having taaapas..."

:hehe:

[anne666]

It feels that way to me too, it's the injustice of the double standard applied in this case that makes it worse somehow. And the way this is continually glossed over that they are 100% to blame for her disappearance and that has never been acknowledged.
It's almost doubly tragic that she's gone without a trace and those who were meant to protect her were negligent and yet paraded as the victims!
Not answering questions, not searching, playing tennis like normal.... just crazy.

When were they playing tennis? I knew they hadn't been searching as any normal parent would and frantically!

[chuff me dizzy]

When were they playing tennis? I knew they hadn't been searching as any normal parent would and frantically!

The went for a jog the very next day ,while locals had missed a days work to search

[joeysteele]

I mean I honestly don't care at this point anymore what actually happened on that night, it almost doesn't matter anymore. She is gone. Even if she's still alive somewhere, what kind of a life will she lead now? She'll have been abused in the most horrific ways, the McCanns aren't going to get their little 3 year old back, they'll be getting an 11 year old psychologically ruined, possibly disabled girl who can never lead a normal life. The chances are that even if she was kidnapped for a paedophile ring, she'll be long dead, she became high profile and is probably the most well known missing child in the world, there's no way they'd keep her alive. Best possible scenario is she was kidnapped for adoption, but then who's going to have adopted her and NOT know who she is? So let's face it, that little girl died a long time ago. They're not likely to ever catch whoever did it unless they have a body, and it's been 7 years and she's probably been dead this whole time, so they're not going to find a body, at best they'll find skeletons and maybe some remnants of her corpse - but again, how much can they prove with that? It's just grim. I don't think they'll ever solve this case. But it's clear to me that her parents are horrible people who clearly do not accept any responsibility for her disappearance and that to me is criminal in itself. Lock them up for god's sake! They've refused to cooperate with the police over their own little girl's disappearance! I think they're terrible, terrible people. Why would you not answer every single question and try your absolute best to get her back? Arseholes. I ****ing hate them!!!

This is why you near always make me think,superb post Z.

[Marsh.]

The went for a jog the very next day ,while locals had missed a days work to search

But what about tennis?

[Vicky.]

Anyone seen their post on the find madeleine page? Not gunna lie, I LOLed a bit at the ****ing arrogance

"To those commenting on why Gerry and Kate are not in Portugal, it's because they were asked to not go there. Please let the police do their job.

"And anyone posting their sanctimonious comments about leaving children alone will be banned. No questions asked. We've heard it all before. ENOUGH with the judging."

Almost as if too many its a bad thing for people to think its terrible to leave babies alone. How atrocious :hehe:

[Marsh.]

:laugh: "We only want to hear from you if you agree with us. Everyone welcome!"

[Z]

They are just scum.

[chuff me dizzy]

Anyone seen their post on the find madeleine page? Not gunna lie, I LOLed a bit at the ****ing arrogance

"To those commenting on why Gerry and Kate are not in Portugal, it's because they were asked to not go there. Please let the police do their job.

"And anyone posting their sanctimonious comments about leaving children alone will be banned. No questions asked. We've heard it all before. ENOUGH with the judging."

Almost as if too many its a bad thing for people to think its terrible to leave babies alone. How atrocious :hehe:

Made me howl too, so they are doing as police asked now ,but didnt when they asked Kate 48 questions she flatly refused to answer and the recon they also asked them to od which they refused ,and they want negative comments against poor Kate,Gerry stopping too ,sorry love they day you took the 1st penny of public money ,you became public property

[arista]

[Madeleine McCann Police Shut Down Search Area]

http://news.sky.com/story/1278274/madeleine-mccann-police-shut-down-search-area


All the holiday people they halted
and for nothing.

[chuff me dizzy]

[Madeleine McCann Police Shut Down Search Area]

http://news.sky.com/story/1278274/madeleine-mccann-police-shut-down-search-area


All the holiday people they halted
and for nothing.

No wonder the locals hate them ,as far as I know the new dig doesnt even start until Wednesday so why close areas now ? all a massive PR exercise to make it look like they are doing something

[arista]

No wonder the locals hate them ,as far as I know the new dig doesnt even start until Wednesday so why close areas now ? all a massive PR exercise to make it look like they are doing something



Yes keeps this thread ticking on


But Nothing is New


Just millions Spent on this one missing girl.

[chuff me dizzy]

The basics for those new to the case:
1) Cadaver scent was found by British police sniffer dogs in the apartment. No previous deaths were reported there.
2) Madeleine’s blood was found behind the sofa by British police sniffer dogs, under the tiles where Cadaver had also been picked up.
3) Madeleine's blood and DNA were found in the hire car, which had been hired 25 days AFTER her disappearance.
4) Kate refused to answer 48 out 49 questions that could have helped find Madeleine.
5) Kate didn't physically search for Madeleine.
6)The Portuguese police weren't informed of Madeleine’s disappearance until 45 minutes after the alarm was raised.
7)There isn't any evidence to support the abduction theory other than Jane Tanners sighting (which has now been dismissed by both SY and PJ) and Kate's reports of the shutters being Jemmied/broken/smashed open (it was confirmed that the shutters hadn't been damaged and were impossible to be opened from the outside.)
8)The McCann’s spent the fund to find Madeleine on their mortgage and legal bills, despite early assurances that this would not happen.
9)The McCann's suppressed the e-fits SY are now using for 5 years.
10)The new e-fits came from the Smith family from Ireland. Martin Smith later contacted the police as he was 60/80% certain the man he saw carrying the child matching Madeleine's description was Gerald McCann.

[Kizzy]

''We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.''

[Nedusa]

I mean I honestly don't care at this point anymore what actually happened on that night, it almost doesn't matter anymore. She is gone. Even if she's still alive somewhere, what kind of a life will she lead now? She'll have been abused in the most horrific ways, the McCanns aren't going to get their little 3 year old back, they'll be getting an 11 year old psychologically ruined, possibly disabled girl who can never lead a normal life. The chances are that even if she was kidnapped for a paedophile ring, she'll be long dead, she became high profile and is probably the most well known missing child in the world, there's no way they'd keep her alive. Best possible scenario is she was kidnapped for adoption, but then who's going to have adopted her and NOT know who she is? So let's face it, that little girl died a long time ago. They're not likely to ever catch whoever did it unless they have a body, and it's been 7 years and she's probably been dead this whole time, so they're not going to find a body, at best they'll find skeletons and maybe some remnants of her corpse - but again, how much can they prove with that? It's just grim. I don't think they'll ever solve this case. But it's clear to me that her parents are horrible people who clearly do not accept any responsibility for her disappearance and that to me is criminal in itself. Lock them up for god's sake! They've refused to cooperate with the police over their own little girl's disappearance! I think they're terrible, terrible people. Why would you not answer every single question and try your absolute best to get her back? Arseholes. I ****ing hate them!!!


Good Post, cuts through all the BS and lays out the reality of the situation. The little girl has indeed gone and she ain't ever coming back. The actions of the McCanns and the evidence as listed in Chuff's earlier post really do start to paint a dark picture of the real sequence of events that night.

The fact it was so convincinly and expertly sold as an abduction even though there is a complete lack of evidence for this suggest more powerful forces were at work here, and although not wanting to get bogged down by Conspiracy theories, you can't help it when you look at this case.

Nothing adds up...........Nothing makes sense

Will this little girl ever get justice ??

[chuff me dizzy]

Good Post, cuts through all the BS and lays out the reality of the situation. The little girl has indeed gone and she ain't ever coming back. The actions of the McCanns and the evidence as listed in Chuff's earlier post really do start to paint a dark picture of the real sequence of events that night.

The fact it was so convincinly and expertly sold as an abduction even though there is a complete lack of evidence for this suggest more powerful forces were at work here, and although not wanting to get bogged down by Conspiracy theories, you can't help it when you look at this case.

Nothing adds up...........Nothing makes sense

Will this little girl ever get justice ??

To answer your question ,No I dont think she will ever get justice, and the only people who have ever claimed abduction are the McCanns ,early days both Portuguese and Uk police both said Maddie died in 5a Chief Inspectors report ............ http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

[anne666]

The basics for those new to the case:
1) Cadaver scent was found by British police sniffer dogs in the apartment. No previous deaths were reported there.
2) Madeleine’s blood was found behind the sofa by British police sniffer dogs, under the tiles where Cadaver had also been picked up.
3) Madeleine's blood and DNA were found in the hire car, which had been hired 25 days AFTER her disappearance.
4) Kate refused to answer 48 out 49 questions that could have helped find Madeleine.
5) Kate didn't physically search for Madeleine.
6)The Portuguese police weren't informed of Madeleine’s disappearance until 45 minutes after the alarm was raised.
7)There isn't any evidence to support the abduction theory other than Jane Tanners sighting (which has now been dismissed by both SY and PJ) and Kate's reports of the shutters being Jemmied/broken/smashed open (it was confirmed that the shutters hadn't been damaged and were impossible to be opened from the outside.)
8)The McCann’s spent the fund to find Madeleine on their mortgage and legal bills, despite early assurances that this would not happen.
9)The McCann's suppressed the e-fits SY are now using for 5 years.
10)The new e-fits came from the Smith family from Ireland. Martin Smith later contacted the police as he was 60/80% certain the man he saw carrying the child matching Madeleine's description was Gerald McCann.

To answer your question ,No I dont think she will ever get justice, and the only people who have ever claimed abduction are the McCanns ,early days both Portuguese and Uk police both said Maddie died in 5a Chief Inspectors report ............ http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

Thanks for this. I didn't follow it at the time but reading the the link, I am shocked. This is the man they're currently suing. The dogs picked up cadaver and blood scent in the back of the car and on the car key. Cadaver and blood scent in the front garden. Also cadaver scent in the master bedroom, 2 pieces of Kate's clothing, one of Madeleine's and her teddy bear. Why was all of this dismissed? As you say the police weren't regarding this as an abduction it was the McCanns who pushed that at the media. I read one report where she'd said the police didn't want a murder on their hands (The third block down in the link).They had also selectively deleted several texts on their mobiles immediately afterwards.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id16.html

[Achilles]

I don't understand how anyone would be shocked if it was eventually proven that the McCann's murdered their daughter to live off the fame and fortune that came after. We live in a world full of cruelty, abuse, torture, rape and war.

[Z]

I'm of the opinion, and it's just my opinion, that she accidentally died because she fell and hit her head after they drugged her so they could go out and have dinner with their friends; he came back and found her, got rid of the body, they quickly figured out what they would say along with their friends and then eventually raised the alarm. Their refusal to cooperate with the police and the contradictions they've given over the years and the way their stories have changed all add up to making them look highly suspicious and I just can't see any other scenario that doesn't implicate them. Even in the unlikely event they really had nothing to do with her disappearance, it's still 100% their fault that anyone had the opportunity to take their daughter in the first place and for that they should be punished. Terrible people and I hope they're caught out eventually.

[Nedusa]

It is being claimed today that the McCanns son was overheard saying that his mummy had "hid" Maddy....????

I know young children can say wierd things BUT given all the other evidence in this case this is very suspicious and adds even more weight to the Conspiracy theories floating around.

This info is relayed via the book written by the Portuguese detective...No wonder the McCanns tried to stop this book being published.

Maybe more people should read this book and get a more balanced view of this whole sordid case.





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[Kazanne]

It is being claimed today that the McCanns son was overheard saying that his mummy had "hid" Maddy....????

I know young children can say wierd things BUT given all the other evidence in this case this is very suspicious and adds even more weight to the Conspiracy theories floating around.

This info is relayed via the book written by the Portuguese detective...No wonder the McCanns tried to stop this book being published.

Maybe more people should read this book and get a more balanced view of this whole sordid case.







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Really? this is one book I really have to read.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I'm not really one for reading books about real life cases like this, but I think I will have to read this one

[Cal.]

Part of me hopes she is indeed dead, just to save her from the inevitable public eye scrutiny if she's survived... can imagine all of the crazy paps trying to bag the first photo, and shoddy journalists speculating what happened to her and how ****ed up she would be :(

I get your point, but hoping that she is dead is a bit of a strong thing to say.

[Cal.]

Really? this is one book I really have to read.

Her blood was found all over the apartment as well, behind and underneath the sofa and splattered up the wall.

[Cal.]

Omg, I'm gutted. :(

I thought this thread was made today, didn't realize it was a dead lead!

[Nedusa]

This is the thread that keeps on giving, as this story is forever in the headlines.





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[the truth]

the public should demand the tax payers money we have wasted on this wild goose chase. in fact if they win their petty libel case, that money should be used to pay towards the tax payers money. dreadful parents

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets hope the girl is found soon and the family can have the joy they so richly deserve or the closure to let them get on with their lives

[the truth]

Lets hope the girl is found soon and the family can have the joy they so richly deserve or the closure to let them get on with their lives

she wil never be found, the who media circus and the fact they sat in the room immedi\ately after she disappeared ruined any chances of finding her or of getting the kidnapper to give up madeleine. shame on them for leaving all those kids alone in unlocked room in a foreign country. crazy and selfish people

[Crimson Dynamo]

she wil never be found, the who media circus and the fact they sat in the room immedi\ately after she disappeared ruined any chances of finding her or of getting the kidnapper to give up madeleine. shame on them for leaving all those kids alone in unlocked room in a foreign country. crazy and selfish people

nice to know you lay no blame at the paedophile who stole her away

I hope you dont work for the police

[Nedusa]

nice to know you lay no blame at the paedophile who stole her away

I hope you dont work for the police


You don't still think there was an actual third person (paedophile) that "stole her away" do you...??

More and more people are now starting to look at all the evidence from that night and are thinking more along the lines of some sort of tragic accident and then a cover up.

There is so little evidence to suggest any sort of third party involvement.

[the truth]

nice to know you lay no blame at the paedophile who stole her away

I hope you dont work for the police

ha ha what a brainless disgusting post from yourself. lol
IF a paedo stole her he/she is pure evil and should burn in hell. I of course never said no blame on the paedo so youre LYING
I do also lay blame on the parents of course, theyre a disgrace.
nice to know you lay no blame on parents who lives a bunch of tiny kids all alone in a foreign country with doors and windows unlocked for weeks at a time in order to go out drinking

[Niamh.]

nice to know you lay no blame at the paedophile who stole her away

I hope you dont work for the police

How do you know a paedophile took her?

[chuff me dizzy]

Really? this is one book I really have to read.

Its banned in UK (I wonder why ?) but if you are in justice for maddy group on facebook the link is there to it in English and the documentry which goes alongside it ,when i get my new computer will post links, but dont know how to on this bloody thing !!the book written my Sen Amaral is based on police files, they fight it ( even though several books have been written on the case ,all ( apart from Kates ) saying more or less the same thing ) because they KNOW its police files and if its not banned ,it throws away the lies they have told

[chuff me dizzy]

nice to know you lay no blame at the paedophile who stole her away

I hope you dont work for the police

What paedophile ? the only paedo who got near Maddie was the friend who went on holiday with them ,who also bathed all the little girls .......David Payne

[mooo]

I believe the parents know what happened to her.

[chuff me dizzy]

outline of Amarals book ............... http://www.mccannfiles.com/id137.html

[Kazanne]

Its banned in UK (I wonder why ?) but if you are in justice for maddy group on facebook the link is there to it in English and the documentry which goes alongside it ,when i get my new computer will post links, but dont know how to on this bloody thing !!the book written my Sen Amaral is based on police files, they fight it ( even though several books have been written on the case ,all ( apart from Kates ) saying more or less the same thing ) because they KNOW its police files and if its not banned ,it throws away the lies they have told

Why ban it? freedom of speech and all that Chuff.

[chuff me dizzy]

The documenrty they have also banned


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id240.html

[chuff me dizzy]

Why ban it? freedom of speech and all that Chuff.

Because its based on official police files ,and they know if they dont fight it, the world will know the truth ,its survival Kaz

[mooo]

What mother would write this in a book going out for the public to read?



http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/_m/129.jpg

[chuff me dizzy]

Why ban it? freedom of speech and all that Chuff.

Its only banned in English ,but a Portuguese freelance reporter in our groups has translated it all

[mooo]

Ugh, I've read a lot about, the Portuguese police files, read their stories.

I don't believe they killed her but she died for some reason and they hid her.

[chuff me dizzy]

What mother would write this in a book going out for the public to read?



http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/_m/129.jpg

No Mother I know ,this is why there is a LOT more to this case than meets the eye

[chuff me dizzy]

Ugh, I've read a lot about, the Portuguese police files, read their stories.

I don't believe they killed her but she died for some reason and they hid her.

Amaral has never said they killed her, he thinks they drugged her, she fell behind sofa and hit her head, they them went on to hide the body and concoct alibis,cleaned the flat BEFORE they rang the police, do you know they never even searched for her the night they reported her missing ? but went to bed ?

[mooo]

Amaral has never said they killed her, he thinks they drugged her, she fell behind sofa and hit her head, they them went on to hide the body and concoct alibis,cleaned the flat BEFORE they rang the police, do you know they never even searched for her the night they reported her missing ? but went to bed ?

Yeah I read that I 100% believe Amaral also. Kate and Gerry have always been so emotionless and when the priest said he had been "deceived" it just doesnt make sense. Hopefully one day they'll find justice for her and the little twins can have answers one day.

[Cal.]

Amaral has never said they killed her, he thinks they drugged her, she fell behind sofa and hit her head, they them went on to hide the body and concoct alibis,cleaned the flat BEFORE they rang the police, do you know they never even searched for her the night they reported her missing ? but went to bed ?

They went to bed?:shocked:

[CaudleHalbard]

There is a suggestion that the body is buried near a golf course several miles from the apartment complex.

Gerry McCann spent several hours in that area and has never provided an explanation.

It could be relevant or it may not be. But there are many questions the McCanns need to answer.

[joeysteele]

This case has been sent off on what has seemingly turned out to be nothing but distractions or wild goose chases as nothing new turns up really.
Even this farce recently of digging up the gorunds near the Hotel they were in.

I just now,as I have said before, go with Chuff me dizzy's take on this, she has consistently made relevant and informative points from the 'other angle' to this tragedy and all she says makes far more sense than anything I have so far read and seen as to 'further so called developments'.

[chuff me dizzy]

There is a suggestion that the body is buried near a golf course several miles from the apartment complex.

Gerry McCann spent several hours in that area and has never provided an explanation.

It could be relevant or it may not be. But there are many questions the McCanns need to answer.

IMO after years of being in groups Maddies remains are in HUELVA ,Watch this video and you could maybe agree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCMNWg0fE5Y&app=desktop#/watch?v=T4Ea8TLvuWE

[chuff me dizzy]

That is a good video ^^^^ ,but the wrong one ,this one is about the Huelva trip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Ea8TLvuWE

[Nedusa]

Amaral has never said they killed her, he thinks they drugged her, she fell behind sofa and hit her head, they them went on to hide the body and concoct alibis,cleaned the flat BEFORE they rang the police, do you know they never even searched for her the night they reported her missing ? but went to bed ?

I still can't stop hearing Gerry's voice ie

................" Kate and I were haaaving Tapaaaasss"......

makes me cringe........:puzzled:





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[CaudleHalbard]

Thanks for the vid, Chuff. It is a good summary.

So far as I am aware the McCanns have never properly addressed any of the issues raised - including why Gerry had such an interest in the area known as The Triangle.

[chuff me dizzy]

Excellent video full of facts you will never find in Uk press


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnXtYSeXSiw

[chuff me dizzy]

Thanks for the vid, Chuff. It is a good summary.

So far as I am aware the McCanns have never properly addressed any of the issues raised - including why Gerry had such an interest in the area known as The Triangle.

And never will ....within that Triangle is the small town of Huelva which has natural acid baths ,on their return from there Gerry smirked and said "Find the body, prove we killed her "

[CaudleHalbard]

And never will ....within that Triangle is the small town of Huelva which has natural acid baths ,on their return from there Gerry smirked and said "Find the body, prove we killed her "
I didn't know either of those points : and I have looked into this case fairly thoroughly, including reading Amaral's book.

I'll do some more research!

[the truth]

it feels to me likt the best form of defence is attack, which has been that way since it happened.

[Kizzy]

Just watched the documentary... it gives a perspective on where they were when she went missing.

x_ZdDTsFC2g

[Kizzy]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488487/EXCLUSIVE-Potential-key-witness-McCann-case

[Me. I Am Salman]

a lil mega post for the conspiracy theorists ~

1. Did they use the babysitting service provided? NO
2. Did they use any listening devices? NO
3. Did they leave three children under 4 alone while going out drinking? YES
4. Did they do this every night? YES
5. Did they,under British law,endanger Maddie? YES
6. In the UK is significant harm a form of child abuse? YES
7. Is significant harm used by the UK courts in child abuse cases? YES
8. Does leaving the children as they did qualify under these rules ? YES
9. Did Kate sit writing timelines instead of searching for Maddie? YES
10. Are the frequent checks by the Tapas group challenged by other witnesses? YES
11. Was the bedroom withing sight of where they sat? NO
12, Were they within earshot? NO
13. Did anyone other than Tanner see any abductor? NO
14. Has anyone come up with a credible abductor? NO
15. Is there any evidence of an abduction? NO
16. Were the shutters in the room tampered with? NO
17. Did Kate say the shutters were tampered with? YES
18. Did Kate change her story to saying the door was unlocked? YES
19. Was the door unlocked on any other night? NO
20. Is there any physical evidence at all of a break in?NO
21. Is there any physical evidence of another party being in the room? NO
22 (missing)
23. Were the McCann's told not to inform the media? YES
24. Were they told it might harm the chances of finding Maddie alive? YES
25. Were the media informed by a McCann family member? YES
26. Were specially trained British dogs brought in to search the apartment ? YES
27. Did they find anything? YES
28. Have these dogs been successful in over 200 cases? YES
28. Have these dogs been successful in over 200 cases? YES
29. Do sniffer dogs lie?
30. Do the specially trained dogs get confused by other smells? NO
31. Did they find cadaver(dead body) scent in the apartment? YES
32. Did they find blood? YES
33. Did they find cadaver scent behind the sofa? YES
34. On the child's toy? YES
35. In a cupboard in the room? YES
36. Did they find cadaver scent on Kate's clothes? YES
37. Did Kate explain this by saying she had examined dead bodies before holiday? YES
38. Is there any record of her doing so? NO
39. Has anyone come forward to say they saw her doing so? NO
40. Was the hire car rented after Maddie disappeared ? YES
41. Were tests done on DNA found in the car? YES
42. Did the dogs alert to the hire car? YES
43. Is a billion to one odds that it may be someone else's DNA? YES
44. Were the doors and boot left open to get rid of the smell in the car? YES
45. Did the parents explain it away as rotting meat? YES
46. Smelling due to taking rubbish to the tip in the hire car? YES
47. Smelling due to dirty nappies in the hire car? YES
48. Smell due to sea bass in the hire car? YES
49. Did the parents say the dogs were wrong? YES
50. Do you need tons of excuses if the dogs are just plain wrong? NO
51. Have the dogs ever been wrong? NO
52. Did Kate & Gerry flee Portugal? YES
53. Did they hire extradition lawyers? YES
54. Did the McCann's hire libel lawyers to gag anyone with a different view? YES
55. Did the government lend spin doctor Clarence Mitchell to the parents? YES
56. Dio spin doctors twist the truth for a favourable outcome? YES
57. Are they paid to do this? YES
58. Did the McCann's set up a fund in order to search for Maddie? YES
59. Did they use the money donated for anything other than searching? YES
60. Do the parents have a media monitoring unit? YES
61. Are there internet trolls helping the parents to quash getting at the truth? YES
62. Have the Portuguese police been portrayed as incompetent? YES
63. Did they look at all aspects of the case? YES
64. Did they conclude any abduction took place? NO
65. Did they conclude that Maddie was dead and the parents responsible? YES
66. Are there two British investigations into Maddie being missing? YES
67. Are they investigating ALL aspects of the case? NO
68. Have they been told by the government to focus on abduction only? YES
69. Have they come up with any evidence of an abduction? NO
70. Have they come up with any credible suspects? NO
71. Have they questioned the tapas group or parents over the case? NO
72. Have the parents made millions from Maddie being missing? YES
73. Did Kate write a book mentioning torn genitalia that the twins might read? YES
74. Did Gerry have his wallet stolen at Waterloo station as he claimed? NO
75. Does the CCTV footage from that day bear out his claims? NO
76. Did the Portuguese police ask British government for medical records? YES
77. Were they handed over? NO
78. Did they ask for bank statements? YES
79. Were they handed over ? NO
80. Did they ask for mobile phone records? YES
81. Were they handed over? NO
82. Have the media printed the McCann version of events? YES
83. Are the media intimidated by threats of libel? YES
84. Have the parents admitted they are responsible for Maddie's disappearance? NO
85. Have the parents faced any criminal charges to date? NO
86. No charges for manslaughter? NO
87. For neglect? NO
88. Did the McCann's say they would take a polygraph(lie detector test) ? YES
89. Did the McCann "people" contact Don Cargill head of polygraph studies?YES
90. Did the McCann's tell the world they would take one to prove innocence? YES
91. Have they taken one in the 2'000+ days since saying they would? NO
92. Did the parents impose a list of conditions for taking one? YES
93. Did Don Cargill say the list was "impossible to satisfy"? YES
94. Did Don Cargill state "They had no intention of taking one"? YES
95. Did Clarence Mitchell say they were innocent and did not need to do one? YES
96. IS Amaral on trial because he wrote a book stating the facts of the case? YES
97. Is it a proper account of the police investigation ? YES
98. Have the McCann's fought desperately to have this book banned? YES
99. Is it banned? NO
100. Is maddie missing because of the actions of the parents? YES

take some with a pinch of salt

[Me. I Am Salman]

still think they gave her an accidental sleeping pill overdose

[Achilles]

I believe it was a planned murder. Hard to believe but not if you accept the very real possibility that the parents are evil. Why would it be a shock? Jimmy Savile, Fred and Rose West and all the rest, the world is full of evil.

The motive was everything that happened after the "kidnapping". All the media publicity and fund-raising. If you are evil and have zero morals, it is a great plan to make yourselves rich and famous.

It wasn't an accident because if it was then they would feel guilty and not want to make money out of it all.

If a member of my family was kidnapped, the last thing I would be thinking would be "let's set up a fund to make some money out of it". Evil people and money go hand in hand, that's the way of the world. Evil exists and is everywhere.