Ireland: Blonde Roma Girl Taken Into Care 21/10/13 (Girls DNA proves she is Roma)

[arista]

This was yesterday


"A blonde girl thought to be aged around seven
and living with a Roma family in Dublin
has been taken into care."




I assume its on the Irish News now
or very soon.


http://news.sky.com/story/1158088/ireland-blonde-roma-girl-taken-into-care

[Niamh.]

Jesus another one?

[arista]

Jesus another one?



Its any Blonde child with Migrant Romas

Do you have a Evening Dublin Paper?

[Kazanne]

What a can of worms this has opened,if crimewatch did any good at all it will to have alerted the police to these cases.

[Niamh.]

What a can of worms this has opened,if crimewatch did any good at all it will to have alerted the police to these cases.

absolutely yeah

[arista]

[A blonde girl thought to be aged
around seven and living with a Roma family
in Ireland has been taken into care,
Sky Sources have revealed.
Police are understood to have swooped
on the family after a tip off from a
member of the public on Monday.
Concerns were raised after the member
of the public saw the blonde girl being
looked after by the Roma family
living in the Dublin area.
It follows the taking into care of
a four-year-old blonde girl called Maria
and arrest of a Roma couple in Greece last Friday.

The youngster taken from the family in Dublin
is now being cared for
by Ireland's Health Services Executive.
Sky News has been told the couple
who were looking after the girl
are being questioned by police in Dublin.]

[Niamh.]

Has there been any developments on the other girl btw?

[arista]

Has there been any developments on the other girl btw?


No nothing much.

[Niamh.]

Update :

A blonde haired blue-eyed seven year-old girl has been taken from a Roma family in Dublin and into care by the HSE in a case remarkably similar to the Greek stolen child scandal.

The Sunday World can exclusively reveal that the child, who is living with a Roma gypsy family in Tallaght in south Dublin, was taken away by gardai following a major investigation on Monday afternoon.

Gardai received a tip-off from a member of the public that a six or seven year-old girl was living with a large Roma family but looked nothing like any of her supposed siblings.

Officers from the child protection unit attached to Tallaght station called to the home on Monday afternoon and spoke with two Roma adults.

There were a number of children in the house and one was a young girl who had blonde hair and striking blue eyes.

She looked nothing like anybody else in the house but the adults maintained that the girl was their daughter.

They were asked to produce a birth certificate but could not find one. In the meantime gardai made contact with a hospital consultant in and asked if it was possible for Romas to give birth to blonde children, considering their natural dark complexions.

The consultant said that this would be extremely unusual. The parents claimed that the child was born in the Coombe hospital in Dublin in April 2006 but when gardai contacted the Coombe they had no record of the child having been born on the date the parents claimed.

After two hours in the house the parents eventually produced a birth cert and a passport. However the birth cert was inconclusive and the passport picture was of a baby and could not be matched to the seven year-old.

Senior gardai visited the house and contact was made with the HSE. It was decided to take the child into HSE care while an investigation continues.

It is understood that gardai may seek to take DNA samples from the parents and the child to fully determine whether they are the biological parents.

Nobody has been arrested and gardai are trying to confirm the information given to them from the Roma parents.

They have lived in Ireland for years but it is understood they regularly go back to Romania.

A garda spokesman has confirmed that an investigation is underway.

The Tallaght case is similar to the case in Greece that has made headlines around the world.

A young blonde haired girl was seized from a Roma camp by police after they became suspicious that she looked nothing like her alleged parents.

The child, who is aged between four and six and is known as ‘Maria’, only speaks a Roma dialect and it is feared that she was kidnapped.

Her supposed parents Christos Salis (39) and Eleftheria Dimopoulou (40) have been remanded in custody by a Greek magistrate while the police investigation continues.

The pair claim they took in the child as an “act of charity” because her natural mother could not look after her.

When officers raided the encampment which was 200 miles north of Athens, they found weapons and drugs.

It has been claimed that Maria was made to dance for money and was generally mistreated.

Greek police have received dozens of tip-offs from around the world about who ‘Maria’ might be.

It is understood they are treating a handful of leads as promising.

The case has raised the hopes of families of stolen children like Ben Needham and Madeleine McCann, that they may still be alive after being trafficked into child slavery or adoption rings.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/blonde-haired-blue-eyed-girl-7-taken-from-roma-family-in-dublin#.UmZVW3Iw2mI.facebook

[arista]

"Tallaght in south Dublin"


Is that a nice part of the City?

[Niamh.]

"Tallaght in south Dublin"


Is that a nice part of the City?

I'm not overly familiar with Dublin tbh Arista, Eoin would be the one to ask about that

[T*]

Who's eoin?

[arista]

Who's eoin?


Iceman
another mod

[Princess]

"Tallaght in south Dublin"


Is that a nice part of the City?

It's generally known as a bit of a tip to be honest.

[Niamh.]

Or Laura ^

[Z]

It's so bizarre... it must give hope to the parents of missing children though

[Niamh.]

It's so bizarre... it must give hope to the parents of missing children though

well, if these two girls are proved to have been abducted I hope the Police do proper investigations into the Roma communities all over Europe, cos if there's 2 then there's probably more

[Z]

well, if these two girls are proved to have been abducted I hope the Police do proper investigations into the Roma communities all over Europe, cos if there's 2 then there's probably more

I think it'll be very hard to prove abduction because I'd assume both of these girls were taken when they were babies and won't likely have any memories of their lives before being in the Roma community. If they were taken as babies then they're only going to be able to speak a Roma dialect, in all likelihood, and they wouldn't recognise their parents if they walked past them in the street.

Taking Ben Needham as an example, if he was brought up in a Roma community then he's what, 23 years old, probably only speaks a Roma dialect and wouldn't recognise a picture of himself as a baby, probably doesn't go by the name Ben... so even if you get these kids into protective custody, you're relying on the parents to recognise them as adults, come forward for DNA testing and then having to reintegrate this person with a family they've never known? So heartbreaking... I worry about Madeleine McCann in this way, if that's what happened to her... she's not going to know that she's Madeleine McCann.

[Niamh.]

DNA tests are due back today but apparently there's a good possibility that the child is actually the Roma families daughter as they were able to prove where she was born

[Josy]

This is worrying in both ways, how many kids have actually been abducted over the years and are now living with these people and then how many kids are going to get taken into care because there's a chance the parents can't find their birth certificates

[lime]

DNA proves the child belongs to her Roma parents
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dna-test-proves-girl-7-belongs-to-roma-family-29694850.html

[Z]

Feel sorry for them for being harassed

[arista]

Feel sorry for them for being harassed

Very True Zee

[user104658]

Ahh, nothing like a good dose of racial profiling!

[GypsyGoth]

They should know better than to give birth to blond children.

[lime]

Ahh, nothing like a good dose of racial profiling!

have to agree with you unfortunately .She wasn't the only Roma child taken from their parents.
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDwQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.westmeathindependent.ie%2Fnew s%2Froundup%2Farticles%2F2013%2F10%2F23%2F4018116-boy-returned-to-roma-family-in-athlone-after-enquiries%2F&ei=TUdoUrjoAYWR7AbC6IHQCw&usg=AFQjCNHuKWcypHQJnaRt2skAeE5s7wkBkQ&bvm=bv.55123115,d.ZGU&cad=rja

[Niamh.]

Yeah just heard about this, tbf though the police spent two hours with them before they took the girl away and they weren't able to produce any birth cert or documentation for the girl and the hospital where she was born couldn't find a record for her (although they did after she'd been taken away)

[lime]

Yeah just heard about this, tbf though the police spent two hours with them before they took the girl away and they weren't able to produce any birth cert or documentation for the girl and the hospital where she was born couldn't find a record for her (although they did after she'd been taken away)

I think whats worrying about these cases Niamh is that the Garda did not arrive at their homes because of neglect or concern for their well being but because of the colour of their hair and eyes and posts on facebook http://itonlyencouragesthem.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/romachilddublin/.

I really don't get the assumption made by athourities that Roma people can't produce blond haired/blue eyed children considering how many Roma women were raped in prison camps during WW2.Is it really surprising that some now have blonde hair.

[Niamh.]

I think whats worrying about these cases Niamh is that the Garda did not arrive at their homes because of neglect or concern for their well being but because of the colour of their hair and eyes and posts on facebook http://itonlyencouragesthem.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/romachilddublin/.

I really don't get the assumption made by athourities that Roma people can't produce blond haired/blue eyed children considering how many Roma women were raped in prison camps during WW2.Is it really surprising that some now have blonde hair.

Yeah, yeah, you're right of course. Seems like a bit of a hysterical reaction from the public (I assume it was public who reported this in the first place?) after that case of Maria in Greece. I just don't think blame should be laid at the Gardís feet.

[user104658]

Yeah just heard about this, tbf though the police spent two hours with them before they took the girl away and they weren't able to produce any birth cert or documentation for the girl and the hospital where she was born couldn't find a record for her (although they did after she'd been taken away)

Right but... Myself and my partner have dark brunette hair, as does my one year old daughter... But my 4 year old daughter is blonde. It would also almost certainly take me more than 2 hours to dig out her birth certificate - it's been through two housemoves and resides somewhere in the cupboard from hell... A mass of random paper, bills, old drawings etc.

Does that mean that we can reasonably expect the police to turn up and take her into care because her hair colour doesn't match ours?? That such an action could hinge purely on whether or not the admin department of the hospital she was born in is competent, amidst massive cutbacks in NHS admin? Terrifying thought really.

But wait... No... It wouldn't happen to us because we're middle class blue-eyed Caucasians.

That's what makes it seriously distasteful. It's not even really about the fact that her hair is a different colour, that's not what lead to such a knee-jerk reaction... It's that thought process will have been "yeah she must be stolen! They're gypsies! And that's what gypsies do, right? Steal children!".

It went from being a highly unlikely scenario to one that everyone found perfectly realistic, simply because of who they are.

[lime]

Yeah, yeah, you're right of course. Seems like a bit of a hysterical reaction from the public (I assume it was public who reported this in the first place?) after that case of Maria in Greece. I just don't think blame should be laid at the Gardís feet.

I agree,I think that the Garda acted in good faith,They consulted with the HSE for hours before arriving at these kids homes.
It was the HSE that told them that it was highly unlikely that two Roma parents could produce a blonde haired blue eyed child which is either ignorant or naive..haven't made my mind up which one yet.

[Niamh.]

I agree,I think that the Garda acted in good faith,They consulted with the HSE for hours before arriving at these kids homes.
It was the HSE that told them that it was highly unlikely that two Roma parents could produce a blonde haired blue eyed child which is either ignorant or naive..haven't made my mind up which one yet.

Thing about it is, is that there are so many valid cases here of children genuinely in need of interjection from the HSE that aren't getting it, It was definitely a knee jerk thing after the Greece case.

[Vicky.]

I havent been following this much, but is it really that unusual for parents not to have a birth certificate for their kids? My mum and dad didnt have one for me from me being about 8 til I needed one for ID to open a bank account :S

[Niamh.]

I havent been following this much, but is it really that unusual for parents not to have a birth certificate for their kids? My mum and dad didnt have one for me from me being about 8 til I needed one for ID to open a bank account :S

I don't know, I have them for my kids and I know where they are but that's not to say everyone else is the same. I don't think it was just that reason though, the hospital where the girl was born was contacted and said they had no record of her (which was a mistake because they later found it)

[Kizzy]

I had to send my kids BC off somewhere and they lost them!
:mad:

[Vicky.]

I had to send my kids BC off somewhere and they lost them!
:mad:

Yes this is what happened to my parents too apparently.