Isn't it strange about 9/11...

[Z]

That despite it being such a catastrophic, life changing event which truly shocked the world... the media has never really focused on the people who hijacked the planes? I have no idea what those peoples' names are. Isn't that bizarre? Every year there is anniversary footage, anniversary documentaries etc... but the names of the people who committed such a heinous crime haven't been made forever infamous? Just struck me as odd, always has done.

[Kizzy]

Well there are 101 conspiracy theories, but it's undemocratic to discuss them so we best not.

[fingers]

Actually they have all been named and their backgrounds explored, but they have such forgettable names that they are now consigned to the Dustbin of History, who will even remember ONE of them in 5 years time?

[King Gizzard]

Probably because they don't want to focus on it/give the cause airtime, and would rather concentrate on the lives that are lost/giving tributes to them I guess.

and yeah, the names are generally not memorable

[Amy Jade]

I'm kind of glad I don't remember their names, they would probably love that

[GypsyGoth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

15 were from Saudi Arabia. the other 4 were from Egypt, Lebanon, and the UAE.

[Stu]

They already had a far more charismatic villainous archetype waiting in the wings in the form of Bin Laden who could take all the media heat. The news wanted nothing to do with the more ordinary looking little brown people with weird names.

[fingers]

They already had a far more charismatic villainous archetype waiting in the wings in the form of Bin Laden who could take all the media heat. The news wanted nothing to do with the more ordinary looking little brown people with weird names.

No doubt they are all cavorting with their respective 40 or is it 70 Virgins?

[Stu]

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~giri22m/classweb/worldpolitics/suicideattacks/pictures/hijackers.jpg

Atta looks cold as ice. The rest of them seem relatively cuddly.

[Z]

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~giri22m/classweb/worldpolitics/suicideattacks/pictures/hijackers.jpg

Atta looks cold as ice. The rest of them seem relatively cuddly.

I was going to say something really inappropriate about him and then remembered who he was and what we're discussing

[HD]

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~giri22m/classweb/worldpolitics/suicideattacks/pictures/hijackers.jpg

Atta looks cold as ice. The rest of them seem relatively cuddly.

What a fugly bunch of folk...

[lostalex]

Because their motives weren't exactly mysterious. It's not like it came out of the blue. remember 9/11 was the SECOND attack on the WTC. The first one in 1993 by the same group.

Everyone already understands exactly why they did it and how they did it. They were just pawns in a much larger organization. So they as individuals are not really very interesting.

It's like asking why there isn't more interest in every husband that kills his wife. We already know why they do it, we understand that some men are just controlling jealous abusive assholes. It's really not interesting at all. The victims are far more interesting and the victims rightfully get more attention.

[Z]

Because their motives weren't exactly mysterious. It's not like it came out of the blue. remember 9/11 was the SECOND attack on the WTC. The first one in 1993 by the same group.

Everyone already understands exactly why they did it and how they did it. So it's not really very interesting.

It's like asking why there isn't more interest in every husband that kills his wife. We already know why they do it, we understand that some men are just controlling jealous abusive assholes. It's really not interesting at all. The victims are far more interesting and the victims rightfully get more attention.

You're right, I just find it curious that these men aren't reviled in the same way that the likes of Al-Megrahi is, or people who infamously assassinated popular figures, like Sirhan Sirhan or Mark Chapman, for example.

[GypsyGoth]

It could be because they committed suicide during it, so in a way they were only weapons.

[Jack_]

The only one I know is Mohamed Atta and that's because we learnt about his suicide note recently

[fingers]

Also there are way too many to be bothered with!

[fingers]

The only one I know is Mohamed Atta and that's because we learnt about his suicide note recentlyYeah, I remember Mohamed Atta as well, but I'll have forgotten him by tomorrow, again!

[lostalex]

Most people don't remember the names of everyone of the killers in the Manson family, but we all remember Charles Manson.

Al Queada is just OBL's Manson family.

[Ninastar]

Probably because they don't want to focus on it/give the cause airtime, and would rather concentrate on the lives that are lost/giving tributes to them I guess.

and yeah, the names are generally not memorable

i think you're right

plus there was 15 of them

[fingers]

i think you're right

plus there was 15 of them

19 methinks!

[Ninastar]

Whatever. There was a lot of them

[lostalex]

19 is an odd number. surely there was meant to be 20, have they found the 20th hijacker?

also interesting that the 3 "successful" flights all had 5, Flight 93 only had 4, would Flight 93 have been successful too if the 20th hijacker was there?

[the truth]

Because their motives weren't exactly mysterious. It's not like it came out of the blue. remember 9/11 was the SECOND attack on the WTC. The first one in 1993 by the same group.

Everyone already understands exactly why they did it and how they did it. They were just pawns in a much larger organization. So they as individuals are not really very interesting.

It's like asking why there isn't more interest in every husband that kills his wife. We already know why they do it, we understand that some men are just controlling jealous abusive assholes. It's really not interesting at all. The victims are far more interesting and the victims rightfully get more attention.

some women too

[the truth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

15 were from Saudi Arabia. the other 4 were from Egypt, Lebanon, and the UAE.
and we invaded Iraq?

[lostalex]

and we invaded Iraq?

"invaded" is a bit harsh, i think the preferred term is "liberated". :wavey:

[the truth]

"invaded" is a bit harsh, i think the preferred term is "liberated". :wavey:
quit trolling in very bad taste:nono:

[lostalex]

quit trolling in very bad taste:nono:

don't tell me what to do. :nono:

[arista]

The only one I know is Mohamed Atta and that's because we learnt about his suicide note recently


Yes he had been in Florida
learning how to Fly - But not take off or land.
Just fly straight etc

[Ammi]

..I think that knowing their names gives them a kind of martyrdom, which they should never have for what they did and it doesn't change anything, so I don't feel the need to know a name...

[Josy]

I'm sure there has been a few documentaries about them on the discovery channel, giving details about one (or more I can't remember) took flying lessons before the attack there was more obviously but it was a while back and I just can't remember.

[Jesus.]

It's weird - people should actually pay them some attention, as it's their radicalisation that has the most to say. What makes well educated, and westernised Muslims do this? How Can they have been enjoying American strip clubs one day, then flying planes into buildings the next? Understanding that psychology is crucial.

[Ammi]

It's weird - people should actually pay them some attention, as it's their radicalisation that has the most to say. What makes well educated, and westernised Muslims do this? How Can they have been enjoying American strip clubs one day, then flying planes into buildings the next? Understanding that psychology is crucial.

..suicide bombings are the extreme of 'sheep behaviour' though so I'm not sure there is any psychology to try to understand because surely, they're 'mindless'....

[Jesus.]

..suicide bombings are the extreme of 'sheep behaviour' though so I'm not sure there is any psychology to try to understand because surely, they're 'mindless'....

That does these people a real disservice. There is no braver thing on earth than giving your life for a cause like that, even if you believe in an afterlife.

It's a really complicated issue, and is separate from the desperation of suicide bombers.

[Vicky.]

Probably because they don't want to focus on it/give the cause airtime, and would rather concentrate on the lives that are lost/giving tributes to them I guess.

and yeah, the names are generally not memorable

Shame that doesnt happen with other disasters tbh. Normally the rags cant wait to rip apart the people who did it, repeatedly. And often before they are even found guilty of doing it.

[arista]

..I think that knowing their names gives them a kind of martyrdom, which they should never have for what they did and it doesn't change anything, so I don't feel the need to know a name...


ATTA
was team Leader
Egyptian


He is the worst.
http://www.nndb.com/people/780/000028696/atta-80.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Atta_in_airport.jpg
On the Evil day as went through Portland

[Ammi]

That does these people a real disservice. There is no braver thing on earth than giving your life for a cause like that, even if you believe in an afterlife.

It's a really complicated issue, and is separate from the desperation of suicide bombers.

..yeah, that is one way of looking at it, I can see that and I’m sure that psychologists have and will continue to do so...and certainly they must have been ‘fearless’ to do what they did or at least be able to overcome what fears they may have had, which ‘brave’ people obviously do...but to me, being brave would be a ‘hero’ and maybe they are heroes to their cause, but that cause extinguished the lives of many people and devastated even more lives..not people who were enemies in a war/conflict situation, a survival situation but lives of people who were just living their day in the way they always did and their families who loved them, expected them to come home that evening...children that will never grow to know a parent..that for me is ‘understanding’ that is deserved... if that does them a disservice, then what understanding of psychology to the families of those people and what they were about to do to them did they show..their empathy/compassion/their humanity was lost and buried underneath their cause and for me, with that, their rights to be understood as well....to have any bravery at all, would have been to have looked into the eyes of the families of their victims...

[the truth]

10 times as many people are killed by nursing neglect in this country per annum as were killed on 911....maybe we need some perspective and take a look at tragedies closer to home

[Jesus.]

..yeah, that is one way of looking at it, I can see that and I’m sure that psychologists have and will continue to do so...and certainly they must have been ‘fearless’ to do what they did or at least be able to overcome what fears they may have had, which ‘brave’ people obviously do...but to me, being brave would be a ‘hero’ and maybe they are heroes to their cause, but that cause extinguished the lives of many people and devastated even more lives..not people who were enemies in a war/conflict situation, a survival situation but lives of people who were just living their day in the way they always did and their families who loved them, expected them to come home that evening...children that will never grow to know a parent..that for me is ‘understanding’ that is deserved... if that does them a disservice, then what understanding of psychology to the families of those people and what they were about to do to them did they show..their empathy/compassion/their humanity was lost and buried underneath their cause and for me, with that, their rights to be understood as well....to have any bravery at all, would have been to have looked into the eyes of the families of their victims...


War crimes happen regardless. We unnecessarily bombed the ****** out of Germany at the end of WWII, wiping out tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Germans out of spite, and those hijackers believed they were at war.

I'm not sticking up for them, because it was a terrible act, but trying to understand it should be our first course of action, rather than George Bush blanketing out - "they hate us for our freedoms".

[Livia]

War crimes happen regardless. We unnecessarily bombed the ****** out of Germany at the end of WWII, wiping out tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Germans out of spite, and those hijackers believed they were at war.

I'm not sticking up for them, because it was a terrible act, but trying to understand it should be our first course of action, rather than George Bush blanketing out - "they hate us for our freedoms".

I'm not sure using WW2 as an analogy is the way to go on this one. It's quite a different thing.

[Nedusa]

That despite it being such a catastrophic, life changing event which truly shocked the world... the media has never really focused on the people who hijacked the planes? I have no idea what those peoples' names are. Isn't that bizarre? Every year there is anniversary footage, anniversary documentaries etc... but the names of the people who committed such a heinous crime haven't been made forever infamous? Just struck me as odd, always has done.

That's because most of the so called terrorists named by the CIA are all alive and well, one of the many, many many inconsistencies with the official 911 story...!!!

Check out 911 truth or 1,000 other similar websites trying to get behind the truth about 911...!!!

[Ninastar]

what do you mean by 'the truth?'

what is so hard to understand about a group of terrorists flying a plane into two of the most important buildings in the world?

not only is there lots of footage of it being planned, but they admitted to it as well.

[smeagol]

one of them was called bush

[Jesus.]

That's because most of the so called terrorists named by the CIA are all alive and well, one of the many, many many inconsistencies with the official 911 story...!!!

Check out 911 truth or 1,000 other similar websites trying to get behind the truth about 911...!!!


Save yourselves time and don't bother with the 9/11 truther movement. It has no relationship to reality, and is impervious to facts.

[mizzy25]

Its weird that I know exactly where I was and what I was watching on tv when it happened.

[Samm]

It's still a big mystery

[Niamh.]

Its weird that I know exactly where I was and what I was watching on tv when it happened.

I was in my brothers car on the way back from lunch when I heard it on the radio

[Kazanne]

I would lose all faith in humanity if it was proven it was an inside job.

[Jesus.]

That's because most of the so called terrorists named by the CIA are all alive and well, one of the many, many many inconsistencies with the official 911 story...!!!

Check out 911 truth or 1,000 other similar websites trying to get behind the truth about 911...!!!

I always remember just after it happened, there were all these rumours of white people helping out muslims in newsagents etc and being told to stay out of the area on day x because they'd been kind. Then when I got to uni and the subject came up, it seems that every part of the country had their own version of this story.

[Kyle]

I'm not beyond the idea that it is an inside job, humans are capable of some pretty sick stuff but then Again you can make a conspiracy for anything really.

If someone really wanted they could say it was Giant Lizards that orchestrated the events and they were in league with aliens in a big plot to send the U.S into War and make their foreign policy disliked so that nobody trusted anybody and the world would be easy pickings.

I'll stick with the official version of things.

[fingers]

Unfortunately Official Versions of Things can also be quite untrue, like why we went to war in Iraq, because Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that these were capable of being deployed in 40 minutes.

[Kyle]

Unfortunately Official Versions of Things can also be quite untrue, like why we went to war in Iraq, because Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that these were capable of being deployed in 40 minutes.

Yeh and for the most part it's public consensus now. If 9/11 was an Inside job surely we would feel the same as we do about the second Gulf War :shrug:

[Stu]

It's still a big mystery
It's really not.

[Nedusa]

It's really not.

Actually it is one of the strangest events ever to have happened, when you start to look into what actually happened that day it so odd it is frightening

For the attack to have happened at all is against all the odds, but the way the Air defences were unsually stood down that day was bizarre and the fact 3 buildings collapsed when only two were hit plus the Pentagon attack

Honestly once you start reading into 911 only one thing remains in your head apart from the terrible loss of life and the utter human tragedy of it all..

...and that is DOUBT !!! most people have doubts about the official story since there are far too many inconsistancies.

Believe me once you start looking there is a lot of evidence to suggest things were not exactly as they appeared.

[Samm]

It's really not.

it is people still don't know alto about it

[arista]

Everyone knows about it SamP
But so many Freaks want their own Website Angle on It.

This World is Full Of nutters


Watch Your Back

[lostalex]

It's weird - people should actually pay them some attention, as it's their radicalisation that has the most to say. What makes well educated, and westernised Muslims do this? How Can they have been enjoying American strip clubs one day, then flying planes into buildings the next? Understanding that psychology is crucial.

The same way Police officers that are arresting people for drugs during the day get caught using drugs at night.

The same way Republican congressmen who fight against gay rights in congress get caught with male prostitutes.

The same way a Beverly Hills socialite who is a vocal supporter of Peta, but drives around in a Mercedes with leather interior and a 10 thousand dollar Italian leather hand bag with a little dog who's legs are atrophied because it's always being carried around like a prop.

Hypocrisy. It's quite common in the human species.

People can justify anything in their heads.

[lostalex]

Unfortunately Official Versions of Things can also be quite untrue, like why we went to war in Iraq, because Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that these were capable of being deployed in 40 minutes.

But the US never lied about weapons of mass destruction. It would have been easy for the US to plant WMD during the invasion and say "look, here they are!", if they knew there were no WMD before the war, and wanted to lie to people why would they admit that there were none? The US was completely honest about not finding any. It would have been much easier for them to plant some if it was a conspiracy.

[Ninastar]

one of them was called bush

hahahahahaha jesus christ.

[fingers]

But the US never lied about weapons of mass destruction. It would have been easy for the US to plant WMD during the invasion and say "look, here they are!", if they knew there were no WMD before the war, and wanted to lie to people why would they admit that there were none? The US was completely honest about not finding any. It would have been much easier for them to plant some.

Whatever, and no doubt you are in awe of the Bush father and sons?

I seem to remember a former General, Colin Powell, I believe who peddled the WMD story and Dubya swallowed it as gospel.

[Ninastar]

People can hate on Bush for whatever reasons, but to say he's behind 9/11 is beyond delusional.

my god some people in this world. jesus ****ing christ.

[lostalex]

Whatever, and no doubt you are in awe of the Bush father and sons?

wtf. I'm a Democrat, you must not pay much attention around here if you don't know that by now.

[Marc]

I was going to say something really inappropriate about him and then remembered who he was and what we're discussing

Atta Boy?

[fingers]

But the US never lied about weapons of mass destruction. It would have been easy for the US to plant WMD during the invasion and say "look, here they are!", if they knew there were no WMD before the war, and wanted to lie to people why would they admit that there were none? The US was completely honest about not finding any. It would have been much easier for them to plant some if it was a conspiracy.

Why President Bush went to war in Iraq:


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[lostalex]

There's a huge difference between being wrong about something, and lying about something.

[fingers]

There's a huge difference between being wrong about something, and lying about something.

Yeah, right!

[the truth]

powell bush blair the lot of them a bunch of lying parasties imo

[Z]

I would imagine if you had been on the receiving end of one of the USA's many interfering policies or wars, you would harbour a deep resentment towards the country, the way of life it promotes and the values it holds. I would imagine that the men who carried out the attacks on that fateful day felt that they were doing what the USA had done to so many innocent people around the world. It wasn't the work of troubled individuals turning to desperation, it was the work of a group of people who believed that what they were going to do would serve as justice, a form of revenge.

I just find it fascinating that Western media chose not to make these men infamous. I would imagine that that decision was a political one, they sought to stamp out the very reason why those men did what they did. By refusing to draw attention to their cause and instead magnifying the atrocity of what they did, the USA managed to turn a negative thing into a positive. Strong messages of anti-terrorism, national pride and patriotism have been at the forefront in the USA ever since.

[Kizzy]

But the US never lied about weapons of mass destruction. It would have been easy for the US to plant WMD during the invasion and say "look, here they are!", if they knew there were no WMD before the war, and wanted to lie to people why would they admit that there were none? The US was completely honest about not finding any. It would have been much easier for them to plant some if it was a conspiracy.

They were there, we sold them ... That's what we do we sell arms. We are arms dealers.
The latest was to the Maltese I think.

[the truth]

They were there, we sold them ... That's what we do we sell arms. We are arms dealers.
The latest was to the Maltese I think.

we thought they had some as we had the copies of the receipts