Jade or Shilpa?

[Pete.]

Quite simple but a curious question :elephant:

[Black Dagger]

Very few people with a brain would have supported Jade (and co) over Shilpa in this series.

[Z]

In the context of this series, Shilpa, for being dignified. Honestly, before Jade and co rounded on her for being different, I'd have expected Shilpa to either be evicted in a vote to save and getting the fewest votes to save, or to reach the final because no one was putting her up for eviction but she'd be first one out in the final. However, because that horrible gang decided to pick on her, it obviously changed everything. It was very rewarding to see her win, I think it was the correct and best possible result after everything that had happened, it showed that despite the minority of morons out there in the UK, most people do not condone racism or bullying. I'm glad Shilpa won.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Why is this even a question lol

[Black Dagger]

Why is this even a question lol

You'd be surprised at who liked Jade and not Shilpa :whistle:

[Me. I Am Salman]

lmfao seriously :/

[Shaun]

It's a non-question. One had dignity, grace, rationality and a pretty likeable, humourous personality, the other was a loud, judgmental, ignorant and bullying sack of ****.

[King Gizzard]

I don't get why this is a question, especially when you voted Shilpa yourself :suspect:

[Novo]

The worst part of the whole thing was the people who were defending Jade trying to back it up by saying she didn't have enough understanding of Shilpa's culture and she meant no harm by it etc, she knew exactly what she meant at the time by the whole Popadom comments, awful bint.

[Pete.]

I don't get why this is a question, especially when you voted Shilpa yourself :suspect:

what is the point in life when you cannot ask questions?

[Samm]

Sometimes I just wish that this series nether happened :bored:

[King Gizzard]

Well, we did get the great/underrated BBCH series because of it I suppose

[Me. I Am Salman]

BBCH was SO bad, it was like a C4 BB12. Cringe

[King Gizzard]

Best series of all time no joke

[Novo]

BBCH was so good because there was a new task everyday and each celebrity brought something different to the house, plus the housemates were just normal talented people rather then fame hungry wannabes

[Me. I Am Salman]

It didn't feel like BB though

[Me. I Am Salman]

Also the housemates were really dull and weird

[Shaun]

I loved BBCH. Amy, Latoya, Jay and Calista :love:

[King Gizzard]

probably the reason it was so good is that it can't be considered a BB series, so you can judge it on it's own merit, and I just loved it, had some classic funny moments in it

The whole thing about getting young people that are in different professions was good too, so you knew you were going to get different personalities

[Jack_]

I know I'm the spokesperson on here for the contribution argument, but this really is a non-question. There's no excuses for bullying.

Having said that though, I would have preferred someone else to win.

[Me. I Am Salman]

All that I really remember was the raid, Victor calling Amelia a ***** and that weird spinning sexual dance they both did

[Me. I Am Salman]

I know I'm the spokesperson on here for the contribution argument, but this really is a non-question. There's no excuses for bullying.

Having said that though, I would have preferred someone else to win.

Shilpa definitely deserved to win imo in a scenario like that. and anyway it's not exactly like the others were that entertaining anyway

[Shaun]

I also really liked John... it was obvious he was going to win after the launch night twist (which WAS, by the way, a genius idea and we probably overlook it now because Channel 5 have tried to recreate it so often), but he was a nice guy.

[Pete.]

Having said that though, I would have preferred someone else to win.

Who? Jermaine ... Dirk .... Danielle ... Jack :sleep:

[the truth]

Dirk was awesome...Jade was vile in this show, as were her 2 horrible biatching nuddies
shilpa was nice, maybe slightly aloof, but still very nice polite and classy and of course stunningly gorgeous
the whole argument was pathetic , all over coffee beans which were in the cupboard all the time
people forget jade bullied dirk benedict too and mocked his impotence through cancer and his previous alcoholism too
dirk benedict was far more bullied than shilpa, but no one cared as he is a man and a white American man at that

[the truth]

This thread just shows how glorious Shilpa was :)

I just wish more british women behaved like shilpa...lovely lady

[james130]

If this was just based on CBB5, I would not have voted Jade. But as a housemate overall, based on BB3, Jade was much more entertaining than Shilpa.
But I'm in no way condoning her behaviour on CBB.

[Vicky.]

Depends if the question is who was a better housemate, or who's 'side' were you on during all that stuff.

[MeMyselfAndI]

^
Both of which is Shilpa

[Jake.]

Depends if the question is who was a better housemate, or who's 'side' were you on during all that stuff.

This

[Niamh.]

In the context of this series, Shilpa, for being dignified. Honestly, before Jade and co rounded on her for being different, I'd have expected Shilpa to either be evicted in a vote to save and getting the fewest votes to save, or to reach the final because no one was putting her up for eviction but she'd be first one out in the final. However, because that horrible gang decided to pick on her, it obviously changed everything. It was very rewarding to see her win, I think it was the correct and best possible result after everything that had happened, it showed that despite the minority of morons out there in the UK, most people do not condone racism or bullying. I'm glad Shilpa won.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with all that ^

[Z]

I don't believe any of them were racists to begin with. I think they just descended into making fun of Shilpa's origins as a cheap shot, because to begin with, if my memory serves me correctly, they were just arguing about trivial ****, it's not like Shilpa walked into the house and they immediately started calling her Shilpa Poppadom etc. As I said in my other post, I'm glad that Shilpa won, and I think, in a bizarre way, that series served as a fine example of Big Brother as a social experiment. It started out as a social experiment and it soon became a reality TV car crash, but that series of CBB, without meaning to be, became far more of a social commentary than it was an entertainment show. It showed how awful people could be but it also showed how the British public en masse do not tolerate bullies, we do not want to be known as racists and we do not want to reward losers for ignorant behaviour.

Jade's life afterwards was obviously never the same again and it wasn't long before she was diagnosed with cancer and then passed away. I think had it not been for her stint in CBB, I would have been saddened by her death because she really was one of the best ever housemates until she revealed her nasty side in CBB.

[Niamh.]

That's true Zee, it turned into an almost lord of the Flies type set up :/

[Z]

That's true Zee, it turned into an almost lord of the Flies type set up :/

I was going to make a comment about Piggy and Jade Goody but it's probably not appropriate :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I was going to make a comment about Piggy and Jade Goody but it's probably not appropriate :laugh:

:laugh2: probably not no

[Pete.]

I don't believe any of them were racists to begin with.

I know they were very stupid and didn't know what they were saying but:

Danielle : I think she should **** off home
Jo and Danielle kept going on about the way they eat in India and said it was *disgusting*
Jo: [mimiking Shilpas accent] I wanted tea .... **** off with that going around my head
Jack called her either a P*** or a ******* (channel 4 said he said the latter)
Jo, Danielle and Jade made up a limerick to which the rhyming words rhymed with P*** (was not shown on channel 4 but transcript was released by Ofcom)

The list goes on . Racist? Maybe. Ignorance? YES!

[reece(:]

A lot of it was down to ignorance and poor education. There was obviously no awareness of the repercussions of what they would say.

[Z]

I know they were very stupid and didn't know what they were saying but:

Danielle : I think she should **** off home
Jo and Danielle kept going on about the way they eat in India and said it was *disgusting*
Jo: [mimiking Shilpas accent] I wanted tea .... **** off with that going around my head
Jack called her either a P*** or a ******* (channel 4 said he said the latter)
Jo, Danielle and Jade made up a limerick to which the rhyming words rhymed with P*** (was not shown on channel 4 but transcript was released by Ofcom)

The list goes on . Racist? Maybe. Ignorance? YES!

I think it descended into racism but to begin with they just plain didn't like her and they were using her race as a way to demean her in the same way they would if she wore glasses or had braces or was fat... it was like watching a group of bitchy fourteen year olds. As things got more heated, there's no denying it became outright racist abuse, though.

[Z]

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I mean, here, it's not anything to do with race or colour, it's to do with background. Jade had the perception that Shilpa thought she was better than her. In Jade's defense, Shilpa here does contradict herself and comes across as condescending, but then Jade starts to get angry and is spurred on by Danielle and Jo smirking away, leading to a full blown screaming match over... oxo cubes? No, over the fact they come from totally different walks of life. Jade just became fixated with her disdain for Shilpa; Danielle and Jo liked to egg her on because they found her passionate ranting hysterically funny.

[Shaun]

I always had less respect for Jo and Danielle than Jade. Jack too, in fact he was the only one that actually used a racial slur (the P word). But because Jade hogged all the airtime she took the brunt of it (and to be fair she was the most aggressive and obnoxious).

But yeah, the whole HAHAHAHA SHE EATS WITH HER HANDS stuff from Danielle was way more disgusting to watch. But no, let's cheer her and get her to the final because everyone else walked or was a member of the Goody family.

[Z]

I always had less respect for Jo and Danielle than Jade. Jack too, in fact he was the only one that actually used a racial slur (the P word). But because Jade hogged all the airtime she took the brunt of it (and to be fair she was the most aggressive and obnoxious).

But yeah, the whole HAHAHAHA SHE EATS WITH HER HANDS stuff from Danielle was way more disgusting to watch. But no, let's cheer her and get her to the final because everyone else walked or was a member of the Goody family.

I find it disgusting that Danielle more or less got away with it because she's pretty and in her exit interview said something along the lines of "oh I'm easily led, even Shilpa said so." Jo O'Meara and Jade Goody had their lives ruined. Danielle married a footballer and is still a tabloid celebrity. Yeah Jade was loud and obnoxious and because she was the first one evicted out of the bunch she took the brunt of the blame - but yeah, Jack was the worst offender and I think Jo and Danielle were spineless and refused to be accountable for their actions. At least Jade spent the rest of her life trying to make up for what she did and upon being evicted started to apologise and didn't try to defend what she said and did.

[King Gizzard]

I don't think I actually watched this series, in a weird way I think CH (sorry to go back to that again..) got me back into watching BB :suspect:

[Z]

I'm just watching the moment where Shilpa is announced as the winner and Jermaine said the loveliest thing to her just before he left "kindness is a strength", awwwww

[Shaun]

Jermaine was robbed :'(

[Z]

Now I'm just Googling pictures of Shilpa Shetty, she has beautiful eyes

[Pete.]

I'm just watching the moment where Shilpa is announced as the winner and Jermaine said the loveliest thing to her just before he left "kindness is a strength", awwwww

he didn't say well done though

[Sam:)]

Shilpa, If im honest Jade wasnt as bad as people made her out to be. I think she was just being a bit of a bitch, but not racist. If you ask me Jo and Danielle were well worse. I think that was one of the worst points of the main argument, when Shilpa asked Jo for help and Jo just burst into laughter.

[Jake.]

I find it disgusting that Danielle more or less got away with it because she's pretty and in her exit interview said something along the lines of "oh I'm easily led, even Shilpa said so." Jo O'Meara and Jade Goody had their lives ruined. Danielle married a footballer and is still a tabloid celebrity. Yeah Jade was loud and obnoxious and because she was the first one evicted out of the bunch she took the brunt of the blame - but yeah, Jack was the worst offender and I think Jo and Danielle were spineless and refused to be accountable for their actions. At least Jade spent the rest of her life trying to make up for what she did and upon being evicted started to apologise and didn't try to defend what she said and did.

Couldn't agree more with you. I think Jo came to the point of accepting what she had done eventually, and it's very sad when you hear of the suicide attempts, but she should have held her hands up to begin with. Jade really did make an effort after, and it's only too sad that it took her to be cancer ridden to finally be forgiven... at least she died with some peace of mind, and as you said, Danielle slipped out of the spot light and wasn't really mentioned again despite being one of the worst offenders.

[Maxxie.]

I think jade was the least bad out of the 3 girls tbh. Besides, we all really forgave jade in the end ;)

[the truth]

dirk benedict was bullied far far more....they mocked his cancer, his alcoholism, his impotence , theyre were as always anti american on english shows and male bashing too , unless youre gay

[the truth]

as for shilpa gorgeous lady, carried herself well....the coven of witches were evil

[Jake.]

Jade, Danielle and Jo all supplied the ammunition but when push came to shove they left Jade to pull the trigger.. How they all treated Shilpa was disgusting, but Jade should never have taken the brunt as much as she did

[LucyPinder'sLover]

I Know its wrong but i was team jade

[Brother Leon]

Jade was a disgusting person. Shilpa easy.

[LukeB]

shilpa obvs

[coffee]

Isn't Jade like black? lol

[Z]

Watching it back it's a lot easier to see it more objectively. I don't believe Jade Goody was ever a racist. Jade and Shilpa came from very different backgrounds and walks of life and I think that was the real problem. Shilpa was certainly no angel; her saving grace and part of the reason Jade looked so awful at the time was because Shilpa, despite her flaws, never really rose to the bait and everyone watching was really taken in by the graceful way she took all the abuse. She definitely instigated her fair share of the drama though, the whole stock cube thing was Shilpa's fault - but Jade's outspoken, loud mouthed nature and her poor way of handling conflict meant that she took it too far and was being egged on by Danielle and Jo.

Jo I think was just that classic case of someone who's in the in crowd who goes along with anything just to be accepted, she too was never truly racist in my eyes. Danielle was definitely bitchy in that situation and I feel she only got out of that situation unscathed because she's a pretty girl, there's just no logic to how the blame got dished out in that situation at all.

[Shaun]

did greg read page 2

[Crimson Dynamo]

Team Jade all the way

[Z]

did greg read page 2

TiBB forum member in posting in the same thread more than once shocker