Uhhhh so a helicopter has crashed into a pub in Glasgow beside where I live

[Z]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-25163045

Didn't hear anything happening, don't know what time it happened it but it's breaking news on BBC and I've been hearing sirens constantly for the last wee while... wtf

[Lee.]

Omg.. Is it bad?? My cousin will be out in Glasgow tonight! :/

[Z]

I dunno! Sirens been going non-stop for at least 10 minutes now so there must be a lot of emergency services attending the scene! I'm obv not going to give out my address but if you Google the address of the pub you can see my street without having to zoom out at all

[fingers]

http://www.localdatasearch.com/glasgow/city_centre/public_houses_inns/the_clutha-10089720

[Lee.]

It looks like a police helicopter :(

[Jordan.]

http://i.imgur.com/viYlCxC.jpg

D:

[Kizzy]

:( hope nobody is seriously hurt!

[Lee.]

Is that the science centre you can see behind it?

[Drew.]

Jeeeesus

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaRjtZ_IMAAZBDV.jpg:large

[fingers]

Is that the science centre you can see behind it?

Check the map in my link above.

[MTVN]

That's a rather bizarre thing to happen

[fingers]

That's a rather bizarre thing to happen

It's more than bizarre!

[Shaun]

seriously greg wtf is your life

[King Gizzard]

Jacqueline Wilson is champing at the bit to get her hands on your life story and turn it into a book series

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I live in Glasgow just read on FB my brother who lives near the pub said it was like a gun shot, hope everyone gets out safe.

[Lee.]

Check the map in my link above.

Aye, I see now.. I know roughly where it is now

[Ninastar]

jesus thats horrific

[Lee.]

Looking at the wreckage of that helicopter, I reckon those onboard will be very lucky to have survived :(

[Natalie.]

:( hope they're ok

[T*]

Oh dear that's terrible :(

[King Gizzard]

Woah...got the news on now

Jesus D:

[Drew.]

Looking at the wreckage of that helicopter, I reckon those onboard will be very lucky to have survived :(

i think they might be more likely to survive this way rather than landing on normal ground, the helicopter probably didn't move much once it has dug into the roof.. the people inside will be in the most danger

[Lee.]

i think they might be more likely to survive this way rather than landing on normal ground, the helicopter probably didn't move much once it has dug into the roof.. the people inside will be in the most danger

I hope you're right :(

[Z]

Quite possibly to do with the strong winds 'cause it was presumably flying up and down the Clyde

[fingers]

Live Pictures on BBC News now.

[jackc1806]

Christ! Hope no one is hurt, how awful

[arista]

2 coppers were in the chopper

[Josy]

two police officers and civilian pilot

[Lee.]

Are they alive?

[fingers]

Are they alive?

Authorities are refusing to comment!

[Nedusa]

Perhaps they knew they were in trouble and were attempting a landing on water but fell short... Thank God no fatalities reported !!!!

[reece(:]

seriously greg wtf is your life
[2]

Hope there was no one in harms way.

[Z]

My life is a series of unfortunate events that mostly revolve around me being injured or impaired or narrowly missing being injured or impaired :laugh:

[Shaun]

"A number of casualties" apparently :(

[Z]

"A number of casualties" apparently :(

Oh dear :(

[erinp5]

852-joW_XLc

[Ammi]

...how awful...'Three feared dead' and multiple injuries...I remember quite a few years ago there was a car which crashed into a pub not far from me..(the driver drove into it on purpose..)..but most of the injuries/fatalities were people just having an evening out in the pub...just so, so sad....

[Gstar]

This is horrible, I hope no one dies

[Z]

Heard yet another siren go past.. :(

[Ammi]

..BBC Breaking News..32 people taken to hospital...

[AnnieK]

How terrible...:sad:

[Z]

God, remember that Brookside storyline that was ridiculed all those years ago for being too outlandish?

[Kizzy]

I'm wondering if the pilot was trying to land on the pub, a witness said that it was 'spluttering'?
It does sound like a soap plot though, but very real for you being your local zee :(

[Ninastar]

3 dead apparently :(

[Ninastar]

there was 3 people in the helicopter... i think it's safe to assume that it's them that died. How sad :sad:

[mizzy25]

Got up to see this on the news, how awful, they were speaking to one bloke who had been in the pub when it happened and the reporter sais "u have got blood on u" the guy looked rather shocked and said "its not mine" hope theres no more deaths as theres still people trapped inside the pub.

[Lee.]

At least 6 dead.. How awful. This happy time of year will be incredibly sad for all those families :(

[Ninastar]

jesus... its going to get worse I think :(

My mum knows some people in Scotland who are in Glasgow right now and they were told to go to that pub, but didn't.... can you believe their lucl?

[Samm]

:eek: hope every one is okay in there :(

[Samm]

3 dead apparently :(

:sad:

[Drew.]

1 person now confirmed dead, expected to rise..

[fingers]

BBC confirming 6 deaths.

Edit: That report MAY have been from Classic FM.

[fingers]

Another CONFLICTING BBC report,
1 dead but death toll expected to rise!

Authorities should get their act together!

[Ninastar]

wth?

[Claymores]

Gonna go for controversial here............and Scottish - I know that bar

sh1t happens. not good, but Sky/BBC News think this is the only news story in the world? They are endlessly looping the same things.

............and in other news another 5000 children die in Africa this morning due to war/famine/lack of health care.

I am very cynical of the British news 24 channels. Next time it snows, just watch.......communities cut off for days but the lazy TV journalism will report 3cm of snow on the M25 with live updates of 3 little prangs.

The Green Flag advert actually makes me laugh - Sky News would report that a father cannot read his child a bedtime story because of a breakdown (if they had a camera crew in the vicinity) - it is a great parody.

[arista]

Gonna go for controversial here............and Scottish - I know that bar

sh1t happens. not good, but Sky/BBC News think this is the only news story in the world? They are endlessly looping the same things.

............and in other news another 5000 children die in Africa this morning due to war/famine/lack of health care.

I am very cynical of the British news 24 channels. Next time it snows, just watch.......communities cut off for days but the lazy TV journalism will report 3cm of snow on the M25 with live updates of 3 little prangs.

The Green Flag advert actually makes me laugh - Sky News would report that a father cannot read his child a bedtime story because of a breakdown (if they had a camera crew in the vicinity) - it is a great parody.




Yes thats why I put FoxNewsHD
and EuroNews and France24, on.


I agree that will not leave the Scotland Tragic crash alone.



"in other news another 5000 children die in Africa this morning due to war/famine/lack of health care."
This matters much more

[Josy]

Gonna go for controversial here............and Scottish - I know that bar

sh1t happens. not good, but Sky/BBC News think this is the only news story in the world? They are endlessly looping the same things.

............and in other news another 5000 children die in Africa this morning due to war/famine/lack of health care.

I am very cynical of the British news 24 channels. Next time it snows, just watch.......communities cut off for days but the lazy TV journalism will report 3cm of snow on the M25 with live updates of 3 little prangs.

The Green Flag advert actually makes me laugh - Sky News would report that a father cannot read his child a bedtime story because of a breakdown (if they had a camera crew in the vicinity) - it is a great parody.

It's dominating the British news channels because it's an on going search and rescue mission, most people are interested, watching and hoping that the fatality numbers don't keep rising.

[Tom4784]

How awful. Do they know what caused the crash?

[GiRTh]

Do they know what caused the crash?

[arista]

How awful. Do they know what caused the crash?


It dropped fast
so the engine must have stopped (engine fault)
he may have been trying to
crash land on the car park
but due the dark and the speed it went down
the pub was hit.

[Lee.]

How awful. Do they know what caused the crash?

Do they know what caused the crash?

Eyewitnesses said they heard the engines stopping suddenly then tumbling down without any sound?

[LikeABoatOnWater]

is there going to be a diaster charity i can donate too, i feel so sorry for the povoed people back in the uk. poor guys

[Lee.]

I'm presuming one of the dead is a policeman as 2 of my friends who are in the police just changed their profile pic on FB to a black screen with a thin blue line :(

[erinp5]

Press con at 3.45 pm today.(sky news)

[Marc]

This story is so shocking, how petrified those poor people must have been :(

[arista]

so 8 dead


OK

Can we now have news on Africa Murders

[erinp5]

Here we go

Eight people confirmed dead.
The two policemen and pilot, the remaining 5 were found within the building.14 people remain critically injured at the local hospitals.

[Lee.]

8 people dead now.

[erinp5]

so 8 dead


OK

Can we now have news on Africa Murders

Have some patience some of us live here in Glasgow and want to hear the update.

[Marc]

:(

[Lee.]

That chief constable is really struggling with this :(

[Marc]

Are the 8 people including those who were in the helicopter?

[erinp5]

Are the 8 people including those who were in the helicopter?

sadly yes.

[zakman440]

:shocked: This is such an awful story.

[erinp5]

Such a dramatic situation described, the helicopter occupies the whole of the bar area.
This is still a rescue and recovery operation.

[Kizzy]

My god... The witness said they were joking as the ceiling began to come in?
Awful...

[erinp5]

Go to the BBC

Ditto:wink:

[mizzy25]

I'm interested in what's going I Glasgow and Im hoping and preying that people in this country are getting out of that pub alive. I know theres 8 dead now. God I keep thinking imagine you just nipped out for a drink on a Fri night and helicopter crashes into the pub where you are killing you or your friends and family, it doesn't seem real does it?
I know there are kids dying in Africa so why oh why do people still keep having kids when theres so many dying due to poverty etc?

[Lee.]

I'm interested in what's going I Glasgow and Im hoping and preying that people in this country are getting out of that pub alive. I know theres 8 dead now. God I keep thinking imagine you just nipped out for a drink on a Fri night and helicopter crashes into the pub where you are killing you or your friends and family, it doesn't seem real does it?
I know there are kids dying in Africa so why oh why do people still keep having kids when theres so many dying due to poverty etc?

It's a scary thought mizzy isn't it? I've got young family members who are out in Glasgow every weekend, I have friends who stay in Glasgow who could have been in the area and my husband is a guitarist and regularly plays in pubs.. It could have been any one of them... :(

[mizzy25]

Yes Lee I also have friends in Glasgow and my brother in law sings in a band, it just seems to surreal.

[GiRTh]

IS there any more news on what caused it?

[arista]

IS there any more news on what caused it?


No

Engine Stopped Dead

So the black box - will take some time

[Ninastar]

How dare we think about something that has happened in our country and 8 people have died when there are polar bears dying because we drive too many cars!!! How selfish of us to not donate half our wages to poor people! Who cares if 8 people died from a helicopter accident? There are worse things the world which are much more important!!!!!!111

:rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

I'm waiting for someone to start pointing fingers at the police..
The contingency plans of the emergency services and the hospital were commended. It's easy to forget how amazing they until something like this happens.

[Z]

Helicopters are notoriously flimsy; perhaps it had something to do with weather conditions like so many other crashes. It's been wintry and wild here as you would expect over the last few weeks, I don't know if it was especially windy at the time because I was inside when it happened.

I don't want to offend anyone who's made the point that there are other things going on in the world - but this is a tragedy that has occurred in our own country, of course the media are going to report on it, the rescue efforts are still on-going and some people have died. Show some respect for your fellow countrymen and women? This happened down the road from where I live, it's not "over" as far as I'm concerned. If you want to read about something else, go find your own news instead of gurning about what the major news outlets are choosing to report on. The world is at your fingertips.

[mizzy25]

Id much rather hear and read news about things that happen in my own country Zee and nobody should be offended that we want to read/hear new especially yoursef as you live very near. I remember when someone got shot in the pubs carpark across the road from me, of course I wanted to hear about that. I hope theres no more fatalities.

[Ammi]

Eight people are confirmed to have died and 14 remain seriously injured after a police helicopter crashed into a busy pub in Glasgow.

The three aircraft crew - two officers and a civilian pilot - were among those killed on Friday night, Police Scotland said.

Five other people lost their lives in the Clutha bar after the helicopter came through the roof of the lively city nightspot.

The pub had been packed with more than 100 people watching a band when the crash happened at 10.25pm.

Police say a rescue and recovery operation - described as "very sensitive and complex" - is continuing at the premises, suggesting people may still be trapped in the building

The mangled wreckage of the aircraft remained embedded in the middle of the building as the search went on.

The 14 injured people remain seriously injured in three hospitals in Glasgow.

A total of 32 were admitted and 18 of them have been discharged. The wounded suffered mostly chest, spinal and head injuries as well as fractures and lacerations.

Police and the Air Accidents Investigation Branch are carrying out a major investigation into the crash

tent was erected on top of the pub on Saturday morning to cover some of the wreckage as a rotor could be seen protruding from the roof.

Eyewitnesses have described the helicopter "falling like a stone" on to the roof, while some have suggested that there was a problem with the aircraft's rotor.

Grace MacLean, who was inside the pub when the helicopter struck, told Sky News: "Someone started shouting and the band cut the music ... and then all of a sudden this cloud of dust came

"You couldn't breathe for inhaling a mouthful of dust. You couldn't see anything. You were clawing at the walls to see where the exit is."

William Byrne, who was listening to the band with his brother, said: "There was a huge bang and there was a couple of seconds of almost stillness after this band and then the whole other side of the pub from where I was collapsed and then the roof and gantry of the bar collapsed."

One worried relative at the scene of the crash, Alice Healy, told Sky News how she had not heard from her cousin who had been inside the pub when the aircraft hit.

Another, John McGarrigle, 38, said that he had been told by someone inside the pub that his 59-year-old father, also called John, had been sitting at precisely the spot the aircraft had come down and that he had been killed but that authorities had not been able to confirm this

The Queen has said her "thoughts and prayers" were with the victims of the crash.

First Minister Alex Salmond said: "This is a black day for Glasgow and Scotland but it's also St Andrew's Day and it's a day we can take pride and courage in how we respond to adversity and tragedy."

He praised the "instinctive bravery of ordinary Glaswegians" who went to the rescue of those trapped inside the pub and the emergency services.

Prime Minister David Cameron and Labour leader Ed Miliband were among the other politicians who said their thoughts were with the victims' relatives.

Footage showed confusion outside the pub in the moments after the helicopter hit the roof and those inside the building told how it was 15 minutes before they knew what had happened

Among the helpers was Labour's international development spokesman Jim Murphy, who told Sky News: "I just saw dozens and dozens of people coming out of the pub. It is a horrible, horrible scene."

The 12m-long (40ft) helicopter, a EC135 T2, which is widely used by the police, has a good safety record, with one incident in 2007 after which the AAIB asked manufacturers Eurocopter to look at a stability system switch.

:: Members of the public concerned about relatives who may have been involved in the crash can call an emergency helpline on 0800 092 0410.

:: Officers are asking the public to send any photographs, audio or video footage they have of the incident or the surrounding areas to a dedicated email address which has been set up to receive media

[Ninastar]

Helicopters are notoriously flimsy; perhaps it had something to do with weather conditions like so many other crashes. It's been wintry and wild here as you would expect over the last few weeks, I don't know if it was especially windy at the time because I was inside when it happened.

I don't want to offend anyone who's made the point that there are other things going on in the world - but this is a tragedy that has occurred in our own country, of course the media are going to report on it, the rescue efforts are still on-going and some people have died. Show some respect for your fellow countrymen and women? This happened down the road from where I live, it's not "over" as far as I'm concerned. If you want to read about something else, go find your own news instead of gurning about what the major news outlets are choosing to report on. The world is at your fingertips.

Very well said...

It reminds me of when that soldier was beheaded in London and people were saying how this happens all the time in other countries... So what? What are we supposed to do about that?

[Shaun]

the lengths people will go to to prove they care about the more obscure tragedies (by writing off the most-covered ones? ok)

have a medal, well done you

[Z]

I know! There are billions of people on this planet. Each and every single one of those people is capable of providing a news story at any given moment. Why aren't you outraged that the BBC haven't been covering my viral illness? Because it's not relevant to many people - me, maybe my parents, tutors/lecturers whose classes I've had to miss, if that? A helicopter crash landed through the roof of a pub, eight people died and many people were injured, some critically. People want to hear about that, it was a shock, a one off incident, a tragic disaster. People know that there is poverty going on around the world - we have charities working around the clock to raise continued awareness of these situations, blogs dedicated to the topic, it often gets mentioned in the news if there is a sudden change (usually worsened conditions) in a particular famine or drought, for example.

Don't understand this competitive high horse attitude towards news reporting - the media are often following the lead of whichever outlet manages to break a story first because nobody wants to not cover something if everyone else is doing it, it makes them look sloppy; and there's only so much content people are willing to read on a daily basis, so fresh news stories will always take priority to keep people informed of current affairs. It's always been so clear to me that this is how the media has to operate, how could it work any other way?

[Vicky.]

This is awful.

[Kizzy]

I think that some are beginning to become very cynical due to the recent political bias shown by the BBC. It's almost as if when they do report on something you think , right! what are you not telling us?...
Nobody 'wants a medal' it just seems that if they fixate on one issue it's a great excuse not to cover some other issues...
That's just my view, I do understand too how this an important local issue and I'm so pleased at the way it was handled with tact and efficiency by the emergency services.
Now when there are silly stories circulated in the media about the the police, firefighters and the NHS I hope situations like this are brought to mind.

[Benjamin]

No offence to the tragedies going on in the rest of the world, but when things occur in our own nation which may effect us, our friends/relatives or people we know of course we give a **** more about that. Doesn't mean we don't care about others in the world but I'll be damned if someone in say Kenya gave more of a **** about this crash in the UK over a tragedy in their own country.

[Kizzy]

All that is being suggested is this is being covered yet at the same time other stories of local, national or global importance are being excluded.
Nobody is saying no one should care about this issue, all that has been proposed is other stories are maybe sidelined as a result of extensive coverage.

[MTVN]

So what? By the very nature of a story being the current main news item it is going to sideline other stories

Is it really hard to see why has this has gained so much attention? Partly because it is an exceptional incident, how many other similar cases can you name of a helicopter crashing down to a crowded city pub on a Friday night? Partly because details are still emerging and it isn't entirely clear yet what happened or who the victims are. And also partly because it has this "it could happen to anyone" feel about it, to think people were just enjoying a few drinks in their local city pub on a Friday night and suddenly it turns into tragedy, it's not something you could ever expect yet it is something that could easily impact a lot of people in this country quite closely

The news is not supposed to be some kind of top trumps game where the biggest disasters get the most airtime regardless of all the circumstances and the context

[Z]

All that is being suggested is this is being covered yet at the same time other stories of local, national or global importance are being excluded.
Nobody is saying no one should care about this issue, all that has been proposed is other stories are maybe sidelined as a result of extensive coverage.

Perhaps that's true, but there are a number of ways to access news that aren't dependent on the endorsement of big news corporations so I dunno, I don't really think it's all that big a deal. Of course the BBC is in theory supposed to be an unbiased service but it's an institution run by human beings, not robots, so subtle agendas will be pushed and I think on the whole, the service we get is still a really expansive, encompassing one that covers a range of topics and interests across its broadcasting spectrum.

[Kizzy]

Or not so subtle at times... But I see your point zee and appreciate what you say.
Your community must be in shock today, it has resonated across the country and the courage shown by those that selflessly helped is humbling.

[GypsyGoth]

It a horrible tragedy. I looked at a news story about it and it mentioned the list of injuries those in hospital have, they've also started to release some of the names of the dead . Apparently one who died was the father of a football player and he used to goto all her matches, another was a policeman, not even 50 years old.

:sad:

[Claymores]

the lengths people will go to to prove they care about the more obscure tragedies (by writing off the most-covered ones? ok)

have a medal, well done you

Obscurely I agree Shaun with you for once. Sky/BBC 24 had it on non-stop as a cheap tragedy to cover.

I went all the way across Scotland last night to see a band in Glasgow. I didn't have to fear for my life in this dangerous undertaking apart from the weirdo Weegies who would be there.

Rock band Pallas were shoite, but I didn't have to worry of famine or lack of health care after we paid the car park then drove home.

[Claymores]

It's a scary thought mizzy isn't it? I've got young family members who are out in Glasgow every weekend, I have friends who stay in Glasgow who could have been in the area and my husband is a guitarist and regularly plays in pubs.. It could have been any one of them... :(

Sure Lee - you better not venture out the front door in that warzone called Dunfermline. In fact, never venture out, get Asda home deliveries and start building an underground shelter just in case.

[Claymores]

No offence to the tragedies going on in the rest of the world, but when things occur in our own nation which may effect us, our friends/relatives or people we know of course we give a **** more about that. Doesn't mean we don't care about others in the world but I'll be damned if someone in say Kenya gave more of a **** about this crash in the UK over a tragedy in their own country.

That is quite frankly pish - I went to Glasgow last night without a care an no helicopter fell on us watching the band.

We are not the same nation for a start and none of your friends/relatives were involved. zee lives about 2 miles away. 2 miles away from disaster eh? shocking - try Kenya (?) and see if more people die than having police helicpoters crash on them

[arista]

That is quite frankly pish - I went to Glasgow last night without a care an no helicopter fell on us watching the band.

We are not the same nation for a start and none of your friends/relatives were involved. zee lives about 2 miles away. 2 miles away from disaster eh? shocking



Yes so at least Zee's heading is the truth.


At least now its not loops BBC and SkyNewsHD
its the hour headline etc,

[Shaun]

I dunno! Sirens been going non-stop for at least 10 minutes now so there must be a lot of emergency services attending the scene! I'm obv not going to give out my address but if you Google the address of the pub you can see my street without having to zoom out at all

yup, 2 miles away

[Ammi]

That is quite frankly pish - I went to Glasgow last night without a care an no helicopter fell on us watching the band.

I knew it wouldn't as it'd be a one in 100 billion chance. If I go live in a warzone there is a slightly higher risk.

So you are a caring soul about Weegies all of a sudden Ben? I'm sure they appreciate your care. Weegies detest the Engerlish - why do you care of them when they couldn't give 2 fooks about you?

..yeah, I do get your point Ian, that maybe they wouldn't have cared about us, we'll never know...but I think when something so tragic happens so 'close to home' it will always have a greater impact in that it's similar to our own personal worries etc...like, if there's something extremely worrying to yourself and it absorbs you etc, but you know that in comparison to someone else's worries, it's of a 'lesser importance', like oh, there are so many people worse off than me, so that makes me feel better...but it doesn't work like that, does it..it's not that we don't have empathy/thoughts of other things in the world, it's just that it would be too 'weighty' for any human to constantly take in the world's tragedies and the awful things and things 'closer to home' are always going to effect us more/have a greater impact....

[Claymores]

..yeah, I do get your point Ian, that maybe they wouldn't have cared about us, we'll never know...but I think when something so tragic happens so 'close to home' it will always have a greater impact in that it's similar to our own personal worries etc...like, if there's something extremely worrying to yourself and it absorbs you etc, but you know that in comparison to someone else's worries, it's of a 'lesser importance', like oh, there are so many people worse off than me, so that makes me feel better...but it doesn't work like that, does it..it's not that we don't have empathy/thoughts of other things in the world, it's just that it would be too 'weighty' for any human to constantly take in the world's tragedies and the awful things and things 'closer to home' are always going to effect us more/have a greater impact....

I think it makes people like Ben feel better all of a sudden. If a helicopter crashed on my next door neighbour's house sure I'd be devastated. If a heliocpter crashed on my wee friend's house in Buenos Aires sure I'd be devastated.

A disaster in Glasgow means not much more to me than one in Ben's vaunted "Kenya".

My pal from Germany put it into perspective - there was a bad road crash on the Autobahn last week and 12 died. They actually did put the Glasgow thing on their news but didn't keep a vigil on the autobahn and reported real news as well.

If a helicopter crashed on a site 2 miles from someone I knew from the internet, not so devastated - shoite happens.

To get it fed from BBC24/Sky News was lazy TV journalism.

[Ammi]

I think it makes people like Ben feel better all of a sudden. If a helicopter crashed on my next door neighbour's house sure I'd be devastated. If a heliocpter crashed on my wee friend's house in Buenos Aires sure I'd be devastated.
A disaster in Glasgow means not much more to me than one in Ben's vaunted "Kenya".

If a helicopter crashed on a site 2 miles from someone I knew from the internet, not so devastated - shoite happens.

To get it fed from BBC24/Sky News was lazy TV journalism.

..yeah, and the devastation would be greater because they're both friends, I understand that and it wouldn't have quite the same impact on you personally if I had that same thing happen to friends of mine, right..how could it...but it doesn't mean to say that you wouldn't feel empathy for me or my friends families/friends etc...it's just a natural and human thing that things have a greater impact, the closer they are to our own lives/the closer we personally relate to them...like sitting in a pub, having a drink with friends/enjoying a conversation etc and our loved ones expecting us home and suddenly in a few seconds that all changes..or being one of the helicopter police who, yeah even though it has some danger...our families are expecting us home that night...nothing more than just a 'routine'...and right near where one of our own forum members lives, who witnessed some of the aftermath..and other forum members who it was close to...is it not natural that it stirs our concerns/interest in a more personal way..?..that doesn't take away our empathy for other things when greater losses of lives/devastation occurs...

[Z]

That is quite frankly pish - I went to Glasgow last night without a care an no helicopter fell on us watching the band.

We are not the same nation for a start and none of your friends/relatives were involved. zee lives about 2 miles away. 2 miles away from disaster eh? shocking - try Kenya (?) and see if more people die than having police helicpoters crash on them

I live 0.7 miles away from the pub. 3 minute walk.

[Kyle]

Ben was quite right to use the Kenya analogy. Scotland is part of the United Kingdom and our close neighbour so of course we are going to hear about it in the news.

Lots of people in England (including me) have relatives in Scotland whereas the people with relatives in Kenya will be significantly fewer.

[T*]

Agree with Ben completley

[T*]

Third victim of helicopter crash named as PC Kirsty Nelis
Very sad, having fun on a night out and then suddenly tragedy strikes you, horrible thing that happened that night.

[Kyle]

An internal affair/disaster is always going to get media precedence over an external affair. Especially one that would happen in another continent such as Africa.

That's the way it is, just like if something bad happened to someone on this forum people would be more concerned than if it happened to some other random person who wasn't on this forum.

It doesn't mean we don't care or we are are insular it's just things that are on your own doorstep have more chance of affecting you.

[Kizzy]

..yeah, I do get your point Ian, that maybe they wouldn't have cared about us, we'll never know...but I think when something so tragic happens so 'close to home' it will always have a greater impact in that it's similar to our own personal worries etc...like, if there's something extremely worrying to yourself and it absorbs you etc, but you know that in comparison to someone else's worries, it's of a 'lesser importance', like oh, there are so many people worse off than me, so that makes me feel better...but it doesn't work like that, does it..it's not that we don't have empathy/thoughts of other things in the world, it's just that it would be too 'weighty' for any human to constantly take in the world's tragedies and the awful things and things 'closer to home' are always going to effect us more/have a greater impact....

It doesn't work like that for me, when I get bogged down with irrational thoughts or I have some percieved catastrophe I do put it into perspective by imagining someone elses life in other countries.
My son is always joking about 'first world problems' silly things that we obsess about that in the grand scheme of things are less than trivial.

Not for one second suggesting that this is, it's a separate issue entirely. The initial grievance was it was looped on the news. yes it is of importance but we aren't aware of what else would have been deemed important yesterday now, it's unlikely nothing else happened.
I appreciate there are other channels as suggested and thats correct except the BBC is a global news channel.
I'm not attempting to downplay the tragic nature of this accident either.

[Ninastar]

I don't understand why people don't just focus on what they do to help rather than blame everyone around them. So what if the global news channel isn't focusing on the 2348u2323 other things going on in the world? this is a local disaster that has happened to people in our country...

[fingers]

I can't imagine the anguish of the families of the two police officers on board, they must have known that they had Helicopter duty that night and there is only ONE effing Helicopter!

[Nedusa]

I wonder if the crime rate went up because people knew the police helicopter was out of action....????

[Lee.]

I can't imagine the anguish of the families of the two police officers on board, they must have known that they had Helicopter duty that night and there is only ONE effing Helicopter!

Is there? Are you sure? I'm sure I heard on the news that there are many police helicopters in Glesga

[fingers]

Is there? Are you sure? I'm sure I heard on the news that there are many police helicopters in Glesga

I'm sure I heard them say that this is/was the only one they had!

Edit: the only one in SCOTLAND!!

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/10485595/Crash-leaves-Scotland-without-police-helicopter.html

[Lee.]

I'm sure I heard them say that this is/was the only one they had!

Edit: the only one in SCOTLAND!!

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/10485595/Crash-leaves-Scotland-without-police-helicopter.html

Ooh..I did not know that!

[Lee.]

I thought there would have been at least a couple in the highlands given how often climbers get lost and go missing!

[fingers]

I thought there would have been at least a couple in the highlands given how often climbers get lost and go missing!

They use the RAF, at least until wee fat Eck becomes president of an independent Scottish Nation!

[Lee.]

Actually.. That'll be mountain rescue helicopters, not police ones, won't it?

[fingers]

Yup!

[arista]

Ooh..I did not know that!


Some of that Telegraph data is wrong.


reported on the news

[fingers]

Some of that Telegraph data is wrong.


reported on the news

SO how many Helicopters does Police Scotland have?

Edit: In addition to the (only) one that crashed on Friday night?

[Kizzy]

I remember thinking that one police helicopter for the whole of Scotland sounded wrong.

[fingers]

I remember thinking that one police helicopter for the whole of Scotland sounded wrong.

It covers the highest population density, in and around Glasgow.

[Ammi]

...9 deaths now...you just can't imagine how their families/friends are feeling right now...

[Nemo123]

Something disturbing I just listened to on ITV.

The helicopter's servicing was privately contracted, because it was leased from a private company. Makes you wonder if safety is compromised because of competitive tendering and meeting austerity targets.

[arista]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/clutha-crash-helicopter-model-grounded-by-owner.1386854784


[Clutha crash helicopter model
grounded after fault on another flight
Thursday 12 December 2013

The model of helicopter that
crashed into the roof of the
Clutha Vaults pub in Glasgow,
killing nine people, has been
grounded by operators after
a defect was discovered
on a separate recent flight.]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/400xY/bondchopper.jpg