Feminisation destroying education now

[the truth]

todays education reports are a national disgrace....

In wales its even worse, scrap the welsh assembly I say , bunch of freeloading cowards

The collapse of education is partly down the the useless bliar labour party, partly down to the endless changes in teaching , different rules in different areas....political correctness too whether teachers lose authority...

But it certainly highlights the fact we need more male teachers for kids , to offer some more balance....the number of male teachers is a pathetic 12% of the total teachers.....If that figure was the other way round feminists would be up in arms...male and female brains work different...neither is better than the other theyre just different.....but to have 1 in 9 teachers male is not good enough and offers less balance and less understanding for the boys

.feminism is now destroying our childrens education and mainstream media is too scared to say anything about it. Ill now be called a troll. well Im not I 10000% genuinely know this is the main problem.

[Ninastar]

lmfao

oh my lord. you have a serious hate for women. I wonder why it could be.

[Roy Mars III]

todays education reports are a national disgrace....

In wales its even worse, scrap the welsh assembly I say , bunch of freeloading cowards

The collapse of education is partly down the the useless bliar labour party, partly down to the endless changes in teaching , different rules in different areas....political correctness too whether teachers lose authority...

But it certainly highlights the fact we need more male teachers for kids , to offer some more balance....the number of male teachers is a pathetic 12% of the total teachers.....If that figure was the other way round feminists would be up in arms...male and female brains work different...neither is better than the other theyre just different.....but to have 1 in 9 teachers male is not good enough and offers less balance and less understanding for the boys

.feminism is now destroying our childrens education and mainstream media is too scared to say anything about it. Ill now be called a troll. well Im not I 10000% genuinely know this is the main problem.

agreed

it is why the Chinese are winning

[the truth]

agreed

it is why the Chinese are winning

yes....they have not radically feminised their education system...they have more tests more sats....more competition and far far far more male teachers too which helps the boys

[the truth]

lmfao

oh my lord. you have a serious hate for women. I wonder why it could be.

unlike you I care about kids education, clearly the 88% dominated female teaching field has failed...time to increase the male input from 12% don't you think? or are you too much of a self loathing male hater to recognise that simple truth?

[smudgie]

It would be great to have more male teachers.


I wonder why we haven't .

[MeMyselfAndI]

Why does it matter what gender the teachers are?

[the truth]

It would be great to have more male teachers.


I wonder why we haven't .

clearly it needs to be investigated and the whole environment and recruitment needs to become more conducive to encouraging male teachers.
firtly we need to actually learn to value and respect more the male input rather than constantly putting male skills and virtues down. its wrong and its hurting our children and their future

[the truth]

Why does it matter what gender the teachers are?

why does it matter there are only 25% female mp's? yet we get this fact rammed down our throats on the news every night?

[MeMyselfAndI]

It doesn't too me? This also is rammed down throats

[Livia]

todays education reports are a national disgrace....

In wales its even worse, scrap the welsh assembly I say , bunch of freeloading cowards

The collapse of education is partly down the the useless bliar labour party, partly down to the endless changes in teaching , different rules in different areas....political correctness too whether teachers lose authority...

But it certainly highlights the fact we need more male teachers for kids , to offer some more balance....the number of male teachers is a pathetic 12% of the total teachers.....If that figure was the other way round feminists would be up in arms...male and female brains work different...neither is better than the other theyre just different.....but to have 1 in 9 teachers male is not good enough and offers less balance and less understanding for the boys

.feminism is now destroying our childrens education and mainstream media is too scared to say anything about it. Ill now be called a troll. well Im not I 10000% genuinely know this is the main problem.

I'm not trusting the statistics of someone who uses anything more than 100% to emphasise their point.

[GypsyGoth]

why does it matter there are only 25% female mp's? yet we get this fact rammed down our throats on the news every night?

The decisions politicians make have an impact on the population, the population is made up pretty much 50/50 women and men. It seems to make perfect sense to me that both genders would be represent equally.

And as for the teachers, if men were intelligent enough to qualify as teachers, there would be more of them.

[Roy Mars III]

while its true there are more female teachers at the earlier education levels, it seemed (at least here) to level out somewhere around high school. There are way more male college/university professors than female.

though it is true that male and females learn differently early in their lives, and more division of learning should be made (one reason I was thankfully home schooled for a large part of my early years)

[Vicky.]

while its true there are more female teachers at the earlier education levels, it seemed (at least here) to level out somewhere around high school. There are way more male college/university professors than female.

though it is true that male and females learn differently early in their lives, and more division of learning should be made (one reason I was thankfully home schooled for a large part of my early years)

Was the same here.

In infant school we had no male teachers. However the headteacher was male.
In junior school we had a couple of males but mostly female. Again, headteacher was male though.
Seniors was dominated by male teachers. We had different teachers for each lesson, overall I would say there were maybe 30/40 teachers in the school, and I only remember 5 women.
Never went to college so can't comment on that

Maybe women are just more likely to want to work with younger kids or something? :S

[Ninastar]

perhaps its cause women tend to like children more than men? nothing to do with not being smart enough...

[Benjamin]

The decisions politicians make have an impact on the population, the population is made up pretty much 50/50 women and men. It seems to make perfect sense to me that both genders would be represent equally.

And as for the teachers, if men were intelligent enough to qualify as teachers, there would be more of them.

That sounds very condescending to males.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Yeah, for me
Primary School - 80/20 - F/M
Secondary School - 70/30 - F/M
College - 66/33 - F/M

[smudgie]

The decisions politicians make have an impact on the population, the population is made up pretty much 50/50 women and men. It seems to make perfect sense to me that both genders would be represent equally.

And as for the teachers, if men were intelligent enough to qualify as teachers, there would be more of them.

Totally agree.
Males have as much opportunity to train to be teachers, their choice if they are up to it.
My son had a fantastic male teacher in primary school.

[Livia]

Teachers follow a national curriculum. Whether or not they have a penis is completely irrelevant.

[the truth]

Why does it matter what gender the teachers are?

why does it matter there are only 25% female mp's? yet we get this fact rammed down our throats on the news every night?

[the truth]

Teachers follow a national curriculum. Whether or not they have a penis is completely irrelevant.

whether mps have a vagina is also as irrelevant except if youy believe the lies of the radical feminists

[the truth]

The decisions politicians make have an impact on the population, the population is made up pretty much 50/50 women and men. It seems to make perfect sense to me that both genders would be represent equally.

And as for the teachers, if men were intelligent enough to qualify as teachers, there would be more of them.

Im giving you the REAL truth, the FACTS

what you've just said is not only untrue is disgusting sexism, hypocrite

[the truth]

Totally agree.
Males have as much opportunity to train to be teachers, their choice if they are up to it.
My son had a fantastic male teacher in primary school.

oh so youre previous statement was insincere , how surprising zzzz playing to the audience again lol

[the truth]

I'm not trusting the statistics of someone who uses anything more than 100% to emphasise their point.

as always you ignore the massive issue at hand and dwell on the trivial irrelevances....kind of implies you just don't care about kids education

[MeMyselfAndI]

I don't get how female teachers are killing education though

[the truth]

I don't get how female teachers are killing education though

its the feminist agenda that's killing it, has been for decades now
all males are potential rapists, aggression is allegedly a male thing only and is wholly bad, women arguing is a strong woman showing passion etc etc
its double talk bull****.....men and women have different brains and its logical to conclude having a greater balance than 88 to 12% female to male would help boys in the classroom....boys learn differently and men teach differently
if these radical feminist want equality then where are they now 88-12% doesn't sound too equal to anyone .....and guess what boys fall further and further behind every year all over the UK.....and the overall results fall further behind the rest of the world and this is the education of all of our children in their formative years we're talking about. it doesn't get much more important than that.

I saw one bbc news reporter say , the main problem here is the perception of the results that's the biggest problem as british kids will be seen as less well educated....wrong again feminist bbc....the perception doesn't mean ****....the actual learning, understanding and results are what matters....

[GypsyGoth]

That sounds very condescending to males.

Well it could be as Caitlin says, that men just care less about kids, and it wouldn't surprise me.


Im giving you the REAL truth, the FACTS

what you've just said is not only untrue is disgusting sexism, hypocrite


As smudgie mentioned, the opportunities are there for men to enter the profession, they choose not to. I put that down to a lack of intelligent on their behalf, that is a conclusion I have come to based on your facts.

It seems just as reasonable as the conclusion you've come to.

Anyway how am I sexist or a hypocrite?

[the truth]

The decisions politicians make have an impact on the population, the population is made up pretty much 50/50 women and men. It seems to make perfect sense to me that both genders would be represent equally.

And as for the teachers, if men were intelligent enough to qualify as teachers, there would be more of them.

this is pure sexism. .as is your revolting comment that men care elss about children? lol the stupidest comment ever....and total lies...whereas unlike you I have supplied FACTS to support my truth....
men simply aren't encouraged to the profession..Men have more than enough intelligence and in many cases they bravely overcome the handicap of the biased education system to create works of genius after leaving school. This isn't done due to the feminine biased education system it is down to the pure hard work of these male individuals who help build the roads, the trains, the TV's, the phones , the buildings, the cars, that you clearly take for granted. not bad for a gender you label not intelligent enough to become a teacher.

[Jake.]

this is pure sexism. .as is your revolting comment that men care elss about children? lol the stupidest comment ever....and total lies...whereas unlike you I have supplied FACTS to support my truth....
men simply aren't encouraged to the profession..Men have more than enough intelligence and in many cases they bravely overcome the handicap of the biased education system to create works of genius after leaving school. This isn't done due to the feminine biased education system it is down to the pure hard work of these male individuals who help build the roads, the trains, the TV's, the phones , the buildings, the cars, that you clearly take for granted. not bad for a gender you label not intelligent enough to become a teacher.

I'm done.

[the truth]

I'm done.

FACTS=88% female 12% male? good and fair balance? conducive to boys learning and you don't care?

[Ninastar]

Hahaha pathetic!

[the truth]

Hahaha pathetic!

yes the fact our children are flaling behind the rest of the world and our boys are falling way way behind that , is clearly a matter you don't care about...hilarious? :nono:

[Jake.]

FACTS=88% female 12% male? good and fair balance? conducive to boys learning and you don't care?

Ah, the good old 'you don't care', 'your revolting opinions', 'you're sexist' statements which you bring up in every thread againts other members

[Vicky.]

It definitely worth noting that this 12% figure is solely for primary schools, and not for schools overall.

[the truth]

Ah, the good old 'you don't care', 'you're revolting opinions', 'you're sexist' arguments which you bring up in every thread againts other members

Im providing facts to support my obviously strong argument - 88F-12M%
You've provided absolutely nothing, you've just hidden behind the feminists....spineless

[Jake.]

It definitely worth noting that this 12% figure is solely for primary schools, and not for schools overall.

Without a doubt, it's pretty much a common fact that more women teachers work in primary eduction with male teachers opting for secondary education to apply their knowledge.

[Jake.]

Im providing facts to support my obviously strong argument - 88F-12M%
You've provided absolutely nothing, you've just hidden behind the feminists....spineless

Facts? Utter pish more like. Oh and stop calling myself and other members spineless please, we're all behind computer screens last time I checked

[the truth]

It definitely worth noting that this 12% figure is solely for primary schools, and not for schools overall.

why dou comment on how disgracefully low that 12% is and how more should be done to actively encourage men into the profession....clearly we need positive discrimination where only men can apply

[Ninastar]

yes the fact our children are flaling behind the rest of the world and our boys are falling way way behind that , is clearly a matter you don't care about...hilarious? :nono:

clearly you know absolutely nothing about me, what I do or how I feel about education.

[Vicky.]

Without a doubt, it's pretty much a common fact that more women teachers work in primary eduction with male teachers opting for secondary education to apply their knowledge.

Well the only figures I can find for secondary schools are from 2011. Apparently back then around 42% of secondary school teachers were male. Which is kinda equal though still slightly more women in the job.

That 42% figure shocked me a bit, as as I said earlier, males dominated our school when we got older.

[the truth]

Facts? Utter pish more like. Oh and stop calling myself and other members spineless please, we're all behind computer screens last time I checked

not pish. now youre lying. 88-12% IS A FACT. do some homework before spouting anti male lies....:nono:spineless feminist

[Vicky.]

why dou comment on how disgracefully low that 12% is and how more should be done to actively encourage men into the profession....clearly we need positive discrimination where only men can apply

Silly me. Actually thought you were bothered about this subject. But I see its just another poor trolling attempt.

[Jake.]

Omg I'm now a feminist :joker: you stating that 12% of teachers are male is a lie, and anti-male lies? God, please stop trolling...

[the truth]

clearly you know absolutely nothing about me, what I do or how I feel about education.

I know enough about the fact you don't care judging on your total non contribution to the thread

[Vicky.]

Edited.

Reopened this as I see quite a few members are still replying to it.

Truth if you dont stop your blatant trolling you will be put back on a ban. Take this as a final warning. Calling other members spineless feminists and such for disagreeing with you is not allowed.

[smudgie]

oh so youre previous statement was insincere , how surprising zzzz playing to the audience again lol

Oh dear.
Both my statements were sincere.
I do indeed wonder why we don't have more male teachers.
I also think they have the same opportunity, I wonder why they don't take it.
My son had a fantastic male teacher in primary school..he also had fantastic female teachers.
A good teacher is a good teacher to me.

I am far too old to pay to the audience..or to the gallery for that matter.
:sleep:

[Jake.]

Well the only figures I can find for secondary schools are from 2011. Apparently back then around 42% of secondary school teachers were male. Which is kinda equal though still slightly more women in the job.

That 42% figure shocked me a bit, as as I said earlier, males dominated our school when we got older.

That figure sounds about right if it's applied to my old school lol, I'd say it indicates a good ration of male to women teachers, obviously the percentage of men used to be higher as you said but perhaps that was to do with how strict schools were? Kids sometimes feared their teachers, perhaps that male dominance was needed?

[Vicky.]

Honestly, I think part of the reason males chose not to work with young kids is because of the amount of stories about perverted male teachers. Its kind of..tainted the profession for them, which is sad as obviously not all are dodgy. But how high profile the odd few cases are make some people a bit more uneasy about males teaching their kids :/

[the truth]

Omg I'm now a feminist :joker: you stating that 12% of teachers are male is a lie, and anti-male lies? God, please stop trolling...

I didn't say that ...I said 12% of primary teachers are male. that's a FACT

[Jake.]

Honestly, I think part of the reason males chose not to work with young kids is because of the amount of stories about perverted male teachers. Its kind of..tainted the profession for them, which is sad as obviously not all are dodgy. But how high profile the odd few cases are make some people a bit more uneasy about males teaching their kids :/

Yeah this is also a massive factor, I also remember my Sociology teacher telling us about how there is a lack of male teachers in Primary schools due to male teachers being classified in Secondary schools more leaving the jobs of Primary school teachers to a larger ratio of women and gay men

[Jake.]

I didn't say that ...I said 12% of primary teachers are male. that's a FACT

Nope, check your OP again. Says nothing about primary education

[the truth]

Honestly, I think part of the reason males chose not to work with young kids is because of the amount of stories about perverted male teachers. Its kind of..tainted the profession for them, which is sad as obviously not all are dodgy. But how high profile the odd few cases are make some people a bit more uneasy about males teaching their kids :/

sadly true to a degree..not sure if perversion is any higher now than before or abuse? or is it just highlighted more?...so the hysteria is damaging our kids education and innocent mens lives. incidentally the amount of domestic abuse from male/female isn't as big a disparity as youd think. the men tend to commit far more fo the headline grabbing abuse though. Males are not allowed to work as carers or assitants to females in many jobs. even after all criminal record and all background checks males escorting disabled female children to college. not sure if that's essential but its a sad reflection on society really...as for teachers though clearly men don't feel comfortable to enter the profession. Id suggest positive discrimination with some male only shortlists and no Im not trolling, the gap here is ridiculous and is damaging kids education

[the truth]

Nope, check your OP again. Says nothing about primary education

check the many many other posts on the same thread its really quite simple

[Vicky.]

I honestly do not see how it is damaging kids education. All teachers stick to the curriculum, male or female. They would be teaching the same stuff.

[Jake.]

check the many many other posts on the same thread its really quite simple

It's also simple to state the facts in the OP. Saying 'FACT, only 12% of teachers of male' is hardly valid. And you've said the same in many other posts tbh

[Jake.]

I honestly do not see how it is damaging kids education. All teachers stick to the curriculum, male or female. They would be teaching the same stuff.

Exactly. This is applying to Primary Education, not Secondary. As long as children learn and develop the skills needed to enter further education, there is no problem who it is taught by. I was mainly taught by women during Primary school, didn't affect my results in the slightest.

[the truth]

I honestly do not see how it is damaging kids education.

you don't think male and female brains are different? you don't think some male teachers may prove beneficial to some boys? are you concerned how far behind boys are falling? why is that? is it linked to have a total collapse in primary school male teachers? do you think it would be acceptable to have 88% men in parliament and 12% women? if not why not? whats the difference? isn't our kids primary education important too?

[Vicky.]

Also I dont think a male only shortlist type idea would work at all. If the problem is that not many males want to get into that line of work in the first place because of whatever reason..

Most schools are crying out for teachers at the moment. If there were surplus trained staff, male or female, they would be snapped up

[Shaun]

someone needs to get laid

[Jake.]

you don't think male and female brains are different? you don't think some male teachers may prove beneficial to some boys? are you concerned how far behind boys are falling? why is that? is it linked to have a total collapse in primary school male teachers? do you think it would be acceptable to have 88% men in parliament and 12% women? if not why not? whats the difference? isn't our kids primary education important too?

What about male teachers being 'beneficial' to female pupils and vice versa? Or does that not happen?

[Vicky.]

you don't think male and female brains are different? you don't think some male teachers may prove beneficial to some boys? are you concerned how far behind boys are falling? why is that? is it linked to have a total collapse in primary school male teachers? do you think it would be acceptable to have 88% men in parliament and 12% women? if not why not? whats the difference? isn't our kids primary education important too?

I dont give a **** about parliament at all and dont really see what relevance that has to anything in this thread? I dont think the sex of the person doing the job affects the job at all. No.

The ONLY time I think gender matters (and I will be crucified for saying this probably) is in jobs where strength is important. As I do believe in general, men are stronger than women.

Edit. Also, strangely enough, I don't feel as safe with a female pilot. I dont know why, just never have done :blush2:

[the truth]

Exactly. This is applying to Primary Education, not Secondary. As long as children learn and develop the skills needed to enter further education, there is no problem who it is taught by. I was mainly taught by women during Primary school, didn't affect my results in the slightest.

firstly that's difficult to prove...secondly theres tens of millions of kids, your own experience cannot be applied to them all. clearly the boys are falling ever further behind and the education overall is also falling further behind.
clearly we need more male teachers, especially primary. 12% is a disgrace and if it was women at 12% the government and the media would be al over it. dangerous double standards.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It's too hot right now to take part in this (central heating)

[Jake.]

firstly that's difficult to prove...secondly theres tens of millions of kids, your own experience cannot be applied to them all. clearly the boys are falling ever further behind and the education overall is also falling further behind.
clearly we need more male teachers, especially primary. 12% is a disgrace and if it was women at 12% the government and the media would be al over it. dangerous double standards.

And so is the point of boys 'failing' because a lower percentage of males are teaching in Primary education. Just like your own experience cannot be applied, male and female pupils are going to fail and thrive no matter what the sex of the teacher is. If the curriculum is taught and carried out properly, the sex of the teacher doesn't play a part. They say the same general words. They write the same general stuff on the board. They teach in the same general way. Because they have to.

[MTVN]

I think in some ways it would be good for there to be more male teachers, gender doesn't affect how good you are at teaching but it is a very personal job especially at primary school, the staff there play quite a big part in shaping how kids grow up and the boys might prefer and benefit from having a male role model

That said the primary school I went to never had a male teacher the whole time I was there and it didn't do any harm, though I did resent how female dominated it was

[the truth]

Also I dont think a male only shortlist type idea would work at all. If the problem is that not many males want to get into that line of work in the first place because of whatever reason..

Most schools are crying out for teachers at the moment. If there were surplus trained staff, male or female, they would be snapped up

but women only shortlists for parliament are fine? banning men from running for their own seat in a democracy? total contradiction and double standards. if its good enough for women to get positive discrimination then its good enough for men when theyre such a tiny minority in such a vital sector which is failing hopelessly partly because its so female dominated and the environment is far more conducive to women than men. no wonder the boys fall ever further behind, its a disgrace

[the truth]

And so is the point of boys 'failing' because a lower percentage of males are teaching in Primary education. Just like your own experience cannot be applied, male and female pupils are going to fail and thrive no matter what the sex of the teacher is. If the curriculum is taught and carried out properly, the sex of the teacher doesn't play a part. They say the same general words. They write the same general stuff on the board. They teach in the same general way. Because they have to.

total double standards, we demand more women into parliament undemocratically with women only shortlists and men banned from running from their own seat? because women supposedly bring different qualities to men...yet when we apply the same rules in reverse you turn it down. that is total complete and utter hypocrisy. you cant have your cake and eat it. clearly according to the feminist women bring different skills and experiences to men....that by default means men bring different skills and experiences too.
so that's clearly therefore one massive reason we neeed more male teachers and male role models for kids. the imbalance shouldn't be tolerated in this feminism controlled environment. where are the people looking for equal opportunities and fighting for the minority now?

[Jake.]

stop talking about parliament, I really couldn't give a ****

[the truth]

What about male teachers being 'beneficial' to female pupils and vice versa? Or does that not happen?

yes that does happen , but with 12% its not as beneficial as it should be

[Vicky.]

but women only shortlists for parliament are fine? banning men from running for their own seat in a democracy? total contradiction and double standards. if its good enough for women to get positive discrimination then its good enough for men when theyre such a tiny minority in such a vital sector which is failing hopelessly partly because its so female dominated and the environment is far more conducive to women than men. no wonder the boys fall ever further behind, its a disgrace

I didnt even know there were women only shortlists for parliament. No I dont agree with that either.

I don't agree with any kind of discrimination, positive or negative. And this includes a new scheme that I only found out about recently, where disabled applicants are guaranteed an interview if they apply for a job.

[the truth]

stop talking about parliament, I really couldn't give a ****

Iltalk about what I like. you want to avoid it because you cant argue against it and it totally exposes the shallowness and double standards of yours and the equal opportunity feminist argument for positive discrimination

[Jake.]

Have you looked into how many male teachers actually apply for jobs in Primary education compared to Secondary? It's all well and good spouting '12%' this and '12%' that but surely primary schools who felt the need for more male students would hire them? Anyways, thanks for insulting me once more, think I'm done with your trolling for the evening.

[the truth]

Have you looked into how many male teachers actually apply for jobs in Primary education compared to Secondary? It's all well and good spouting '12%' this and '12%' that but surely primary schools who felt the need for more male students would hire them? Anyways, thanks for insulting me once more, think I'm done with your trolling for the evening.
yeah go and quit troll

[Jake.]

And no I didn't wish to avoid it because I'm 'shallow' or 'spineless', but because we are talking about the percentage of males who are present in primary education. But of course, I'm the troll, nice one.

[the truth]

And no I didn't wish to avoid it because I'm 'shallow' or 'spineless', but because we are talking about the percentage of males who are present in primary education. But of course, I'm the troll, nice one.

Yes you are. I am being sincere. I have put in a lot of energy and facts into this thread and you have provided nothing. You have also insulted me too, but I don't care. Im bigger than that I care more about the bigger issue at stake here, than my own ego...Ill hapilly sacrifice myself at the alter, ban me burn me, whatever...Ill fight for the truth as I see it...in this case the case in point is the education collapse and the disastrous drive fo radical feminism that's damaging every sector of our society

[GypsyGoth]

By the way the truth, you do realise that modern feminism would be in favour of there being more male teachers. So it's pretty absurd that you mistakenly believe it's somehow at fault here.

[the truth]

By the way the truth, you do realise that modern feminism would be in favour of there being more male teachers. So it's pretty absurd that you mistakenly believe it's somehow at fault here.

wrong. where are the modern feminists then ? fighting for more male teachers? even on this thread , hardly anyone gives a toss...these feminists are shamed by their bias, their double standards and their silence

[GypsyGoth]

wrong. where are the modern feminists then ? fighting for more male teachers? even on this thread , hardly anyone gives a toss...these feminists are shamed by their bias, their double standards and their silence

http://i.imgur.com/JNcrNyw.gif

The reason no one is fighting for more male teaching positions and that this thread is probably the only place in the whole wide world this is being discussed at this moment in time, is because the jobs are there is men want them. The fact that there are way fewer men in teaching is by their own choice.

[Kizzy]

Is it a coincidence that the numbers of male teachers fell when it became illegal to pull down boys pants and hit them with sticks?....Discuss

[the truth]

http://i.imgur.com/JNcrNyw.gif

The reason no one is fighting for more male teaching positions and that this thread is probably the only place in the whole wide world this is being discussed at this moment in time, is because the jobs are there is men want them. The fact that there are way fewer men in teaching is by their own choice.

wrong. its not being discussed 1) because feminists and demanders of equality, positive discrimination, equalling the numbers in professions are a bunch of self hypocrites who clearly dont give a toss about whats for the best. they always prattle on about the poor women oppressed and outnumbered yet ignore it when men or even the didsabled are ostracised and become a huge minority
2) because men are not allowed opinions on such issues especially on mainstream tv as the double standards enforced by the feminist agenda mean men aren't allowed an opinion as they will be labelled sexist
3) meanwhile female only short lists of parliament are fine? total hypocrisy and totally undemocratic
4)the primary teaching profession is clearly making male applicants uncomfortable and this should be investigated the it needs to be rectified to encourage more men to apply to help improve our kids education and bring some more males and their unique skills and experience to the schools

[the truth]

Is it a coincidence that the numbers of male teachers fell when it became illegal to pull down boys pants and hit them with sticks?....Discuss

another non contribution...shameful:nono:

[Marsh.]

as always you ignore the massive issue at hand and dwell on the trivial irrelevances....kind of implies you just don't care about kids education

BIB - Sums up every "argument" you ever make.

Is it a coincidence that the numbers of male teachers fell when it became illegal to pull down boys pants and hit them with sticks?....Discuss

:nono:

[Kizzy]

It's just as plausible as your 'different brain' theory...

[the truth]

BIB - Sums up every "argument" you ever make.



:nono:

hypocrite....the collapse of our kids education, the even greater collapse of male and boys education too, the massive rise in male suicides etc may be trivial to you., I consider it very import. shame on you:nono:

[the truth]

It's just as plausible as your 'different brain' theory...

its not my theory its scientific theory and fact
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25198063
educate yourself before spouting that nonsense again
Im providing facts and evidence youre not

[GypsyGoth]

wrong. its not being discussed 1) because feminists and demanders of equality, positive discrimination, equalling the numbers in professions are a bunch of self hypocrites who clearly dont give a toss about whats for the best. they always prattle on about the poor women oppressed and outnumbered yet ignore it when men or even the didsabled are ostracised and become a huge minority
2) because men are not allowed opinions on such issues especially on mainstream tv as the double standards enforced by the feminist agenda mean men aren't allowed an opinion as they will be labelled sexist
3) meanwhile female only short lists of parliament are fine? total hypocrisy and totally undemocratic
4)the primary teaching profession is clearly making male applicants uncomfortable and this should be investigated the it needs to be rectified to encourage more men to apply to help improve our kids education and bring some more males and their unique skills and experience to the schools

Your four point are invalid because of your nincompoopiness.

[Kizzy]

the attainment differences are due to socialisation and peer pressure in part.
There is an argument for the benefit of a positive male role model where none exist however.
Why do you feel teaching is not as attractive to men any longer truth?

[michael21]

i going to bang all your head together

[Kizzy]

Your four point are invalid because of your nincompoopiness.

Thank god it's only those loony leftie brain dominants that suffer from that... :laugh:

[the truth]

the attainment differences are due to socialisation and peer pressure in part.
There is an argument for the benefit of a positive male role model where none exist however.
Why do you feel teaching is not as attractive to men any longer truth?

The problem is that whatever the reasons , probably its a side effect of feminism that tests , competition, sats and areas such as spatial processing and sensori-motor speed have become less part of the syllabus. maleness itself has been devalued and its damaging our kids...we do of course teach our kids male hate with over simplistic feministic biased revisionary versions of history... no wonder theres so much male hate..it starts at nursery school and at primary schools...where it needs to be addressed and rectified to make it more appealing to male teachers.

[Kizzy]

its not my theory its scientific theory and fact
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25198063
educate yourself before spouting that nonsense again
Im providing facts and evidence youre not

Get all your facts from the BBC do you, I bow to your cerebral superiority.

[the truth]

Get all your facts from the BBC do you, I bow to your cerebral superiority.

the facts come from the university of pennsylvannia..try reading before spouting more petty irrelevant bilge

[the truth]

Your four point are invalid because of your nincompoopiness.

Im right and youre talking nincompoop as usual :spin:

[Kizzy]

The problem is that whatever the reasons , probably its a side effect of feminism that tests , competition, sats and areas such as spatial processing and sensori-motor speed have become less part of the syllabus. maleness itself has been devalued and its damaging our kids...we do of course teach our kids male hate with over simplistic feministic biased revisionary versions of history... no wonder theres so much male hate..it starts at nursery school and at primary schools...where it needs to be addressed and rectified to make it more appealing to male teachers.

Wrong spatial processing is evident in maths when dealing with shape, technical drawing and weighing/measuring.
Motor skills are used in ball games, handwriting, playing lnstruments....
History is mostly the war and the tudors, Henry was a real feminist he loved women.

[Kizzy]

the facts come from the university of pennsylvannia..try reading before spouting more petty irrelevant bilge

I've read enough on the right/left hemisphere dominance and how they are attributed to male and female gender stereotypes to know this is a crock.

[the truth]

Wrong spacial processing is evident in maths when dealing with shape, technical drawing and weighing/measuring.
Motor skills are used in ball games, handwriting, playing lnstruments....
History is mostly the war and the tudors, Henry was a real feminist he loved women.

there are less maths tests, less exams, sats scrapped too
incidentally men are generally better at those things on average than women and yet you and other posters claim it doesn't matter there are only 12% male primary teachers? that males don't bring their own unique skills and experiences , that having a more balanced gender mix creates a more balanced education for the kids....yet the same posters would argue that we must have more women in other professions where theyre outnumbered by men? including the boardrooms? total complete and utter hypocrisy and double standards. proves those who make that case are unfair, have an agenda and are basically being dishonest

[Marsh.]

hypocrite....the collapse of our kids education, the even greater collapse of male and boys education too, the massive rise in male suicides etc may be trivial to you., I consider it very import. shame on you:nono:

a) I'd like you to point out in what way I am a "hypocrite"?

b) You're seriously blaming male suicides on the fact they had female teachers? Do you actually read the crap you are typing?

What about female suicides, do we ignore them? Are they trivial to you? Are male teachers to blame for that?

[Kizzy]

The advent of the literacy and numeracy hours mean kids do more not less than they did.
Boys can only do well in exams if they learn what is being taught that's a fact. They don't do better in exams unless they have retained knowledge, it's not instinctive.
A balance is good yes, however suggesting that students sre failing due to the gender of teachers is not right or fair.
Female teachers achieve the same qualification as their male counterparts, and are equally as competent.

[the truth]

The advent of the literacy and numeracy hours mean kids do more not less than they did.
Boys can only do well in exams if they learn what is being taught that's a fact. They don't do better in exams unless they have retained knowledge, it's not instinctive.
A balance is good yes, however suggesting that students sre failing due to the gender of teachers is not right or fair.
Female teachers achieve the same qualification as their male counterparts, and are equally as competent.

hypocrisy and lies. its proven fact women are generally better at certain things and men better at others. also both genders clearly have different skills and experiences ...the classroom should reflect society and 88% female doesn't reflect anything. actually under 8yrs the number fo male teachers in the US is 2% we simply don't trust men with kids that age. its totally discriminatory. all men should not be punished for the sins of the tiny tiny minority. on the other hand yourself and many supporters of radical feminism and so called equality demand more female mp's and women in the boardroom, even when its not done democratically or meritocratically with women only elections or female only jobs....total brainless anti-democratic hypocrisy.
these femiinists don't care less about equality for men or the disabled. Theyre hate preaching self serving divisive hypocrites.,,,they don't give a damn about education or fairness...this is why the education system has collapsed.

[Marsh.]

I'm waiting...

[Kizzy]

hypocrisy and lies. its proven fact women are generally better at certain things and men better at others. also both genders clearly have different skills and experiences ...the classroom should reflect society and 88% female doesn't reflect anything. actually under 8yrs the number fo male teachers in the US is 2% we simply don't trust men with kids that age. its totally discriminatory. all men should not be punished for the sins of the tiny tiny minority. on the other hand yourself and many supporters of radical feminism and so called equality demand more female mp's and women in the boardroom, even when its not done democratically or meritocratically with women only elections or female only jobs....total brainless anti-democratic hypocrisy.
these femiinists don't care less about equality for men or the disabled. Theyre hate preaching self serving divisive hypocrites.,,,they don't give a damn about education or fairness...this is why the education system has collapsed.

Where are the lies.... What did I lie about?
Where do I say I wanted more women in the boardroom? People should be judged on their merits man or woman.
Both genders are taught the same subjects in primary and have options ( they choose their own subjects) in the higher years... how can that be seen to benefit one gender?
I don't think it's really worth debating this anymore you have a very dim view of every aspect of women in the workplace, you don't have to be a feminist to see that.

[Mystic Mock]

It would be great to have more male teachers.


I wonder why we haven't .

Because the children accuse the male teachers of being paedophiles.

[Ammi]

By the way the truth, you do realise that modern feminism would be in favour of there being more male teachers. So it's pretty absurd that you mistakenly believe it's somehow at fault here.

..I haven't got time atm to read through this thread so I'll try to do that later but I will agree with Claudia...in Primary Schools especially, there are very few male teachers...and the reason for that is because very few males want to teach at primary school level..that is a shame and it is improving a little..mainly because the age groups of a lot of primary schools is expanding to include older children with the 'two tier system' ..this means that there will be more male teachers in the lower Keystage groups ...but they still prefer not to teach the younger ones...Reception, years 1, 2 and even 3...this is a choice of male teachers themselves and their personal preference and the ones I have spoken to, which is quite a few, make this choice because they find it difficult to relate to very young children and very frustrating because of a more immature understanding....


...fortunately, we have many, many extremely experienced and willing female primary school teachers which compensate for this and the male teachers are also extremely effective and experienced with the age group they teach....

[Livia]

By the way the truth, you do realise that modern feminism would be in favour of there being more male teachers. So it's pretty absurd that you mistakenly believe it's somehow at fault here.

Agree with this 100%.

[Vicky.]

there are less maths tests, less exams, sats scrapped too
incidentally men are generally better at those things on average than women and yet you and other posters claim it doesn't matter there are only 12% male primary teachers? that males don't bring their own unique skills and experiences , that having a more balanced gender mix creates a more balanced education for the kids....yet the same posters would argue that we must have more women in other professions where theyre outnumbered by men? including the boardrooms? total complete and utter hypocrisy and double standards. proves those who make that case are unfair, have an agenda and are basically being dishonest

Where have any posters said that? Or is this just wild assumption like usual?

[Alf]

So who's better, Males or Females?

There's only one way to find out.


F-I-I-I-G-H-H-T

[the truth]

Where have any posters said that? Or is this just wild assumption like usual?

its everywhere...demands from feminists to have women only short lists to get more women in the board room the houses of parliament etc etc etc
women only short lists for parliament? so the actual standing male mp isn't allowed to stand for his own seat? how democratic is that?> if it happened the other way around anywhere else in the world the feminists would be rioting and the politicians would set up embargos
its a total joke

12% of male teachers in primary school.....2% of teachers below 8 yrs old in the USA........with fathers ostracised most kids have no male rold model in their lives, utterly tragic

as for murdering prostitutes Ill leave that to the anti Christ above, I don't feel the need to pay prostitutes or to kill them, my missus loves me thanks for caring though....

I don't see why having a vagina should advantage women in dominating our kids education..time for the equal opportunity preachers and hypocritical male hating feminists to look for balance on both sides...but the feminazis are more concerned with getting more women on stamps and the allegation on bbc news that boys get an average 50p more pockey money...to hell with the trivial issues of kids and boys education going to hell.....the thousands abused in care homes and hospitals....the mass suicides of young males in the Uk....yes stamps is a far bigger issues...the feminazis have their fingers on the pulse again? selfish biased male hating? just a touch

[Vicky.]

So no posters have said that then? Thats what I was asking.

And the problem is much more likely to be males not wanting to teach primary school kids, than women being favoured tbh. As I said earlier, schools are crying out for ANY teachers, so doubt blokes are being passed up.

[the truth]

So no posters have said that then? Thats what I was asking.

And the problem is much more likely to be males not wanting to teach primary school kids, than women being favoured tbh. As I said earlier, schools are crying out for ANY teachers, so doubt blokes are being passed up.

you have zero evidence to back that up. I have the facts 2% and 12% these are the facts. do you think those figures are acceptable? what do you think can be done to improve those figures? Ive made umpteen suggestions, such as changing the environment to suit males too, positive discrimination too....there are also clearly paranoias against men....the double CRB checks should be plenty for them to know if a man has a dodgy past too...feminists fight for getting more oney in all areas they are under represented...shouldn't the same be done for men under represented too? isn't that fair? shouldn't the eqiual opportunity people fight for that too?
ps Ive been accused of being a potential murdrer of women and prostitutes, why haven't you found it in you to be offended by that and told off the poster? or do you pick and choose what you decide to be offended by according to your own agenda? sounds hypocritical and biased much like the feminazi agenda and the couldn't care less attitude about male teachers and role models

[Vicky.]

you have zero evidence to back that up. I have the facts 2% and 12% these are the facts. do you think those figures are acceptable? what do you think can be done to improve those figures? Ive made umpteen suggestions, such as changing the environment to suit males too, positive discrimination too....there are also clearly paranoias against men....the double CRB checks should be plenty for them to know if a man has a dodgy past too...feminists fight for getting more oney in all areas they are under represented...shouldn't the same be done for men under represented too? isn't that fair? shouldn't the eqiual opportunity people fight for that too?
ps Ive been accused of being a potential murdrer of women and prostitutes, why haven't you found it in you to be offended by that and told off the poster? or do you pick and choose what you decide to be offended by according to your own agenda? sounds hypocritical and biased much like the feminazi agenda and the couldn't care less attitude about male teachers and role modelsI have as much evidence to back that up as you do for your theory about it being all about crazy feminists and discrimination.

I don't think much an be done to improve those figures, as my theory is that most men just dont WANT to teach younger kids. The fact that the gender balance becomes more balanced as ages of kids goes up kinda backs that up. Short of picking a few thousand men at random each year and forcing them to get their teaching qualification, then forcing them to teach primary school kids(which would be very wrong), nothing can be done IMO.

Also I'm not offended by anything you have written. Not sure why you would think that.

And tbh I am probably about as far from a 'feminist' (at least your meaning of it) as you can get

[the truth]

I have as much evidence to back that up as you do for your theory about it being all about crazy feminists and discrimination.

I don't think much an be done to improve those figures, as my theory is that most men just dont WANT to teach younger kids. The fact that the gender balance becomes more balanced as ages of kids goes up kinda backs that up. Short of picking a few thousand men at random each year and forcing them to get their teaching qualification, then forcing them to teach primary school kids(which would be very wrong), nothing can be done IMO.

Also I'm not offended by anything you have written. Not sure why you would think that.

And tbh I am probably about as far from a 'feminist' (at least your meaning of it) as you can get

I have facts you have baseless theories....why don't you care about this and why cant you think of anything to be done to improve it? youd no doubt care about women under represented and demand action to improve it...as do the feminists....yet not when men are under represented..double standards.
why do u suggest the only option is for men get forced into the job , what utter nonsense......are you also saying the Only way to get women into parliament is to force them with a pitchfork. nonsense. they fight to change the environment to encourage women and they have women only short lists...why don you and the feminists fight for the same for men under represented to an even greater degree? if not why not? anything less is feminist hypocrisy and exposes their agenda as biased and selfish

[AnnieK]

This is a serious question now truth... Do you do anything about your thoughts and ideas? Do you get out there and lobby for support? The only reason there is more equality now where women are concerned is because of the women who fought for it...they got out there and did something whilst there were plenty of women sat at one moaning about being classed as second hand citizens...but the few that gotout there and gave up their freedom and lives in some cases made a difference. It's all very well you giving us these statistics but on a Big Brother forum what are we really expected to do? My son is reaching school age next year and I want him to have the best possible education, as long as the curriculum is followed and he learns in a happy, healthy environment I really don't care that much if he has male or female teachers...as long as he learns

[Vicky.]

The only fact you have is that 12% of primary school teachers are male. Thats it. Nothing else.

I cant think of anything that can be done to improve it because (like you) I do not know the reason for the low figure. If its because men are being turned down, then theres a problem. If its because they just do not want to do the job and would rather teach older kids, then there is not a problem. We don't know which it is.

I dont give a stuff about women being under represented in any job. I have already said this with your parliament argument :conf: I think as long as someone does a job properly, it doesn't matter what genitalia they have.

[the truth]

The only fact you have is that 12% of primary school teachers are male. Thats it. Nothing else.

I cant think of anything that can be done to improve it because (like you) I do not know the reason for the low figure. If its because men are being turned down, then theres a problem. If its because they just do not want to do the job and would rather teach older kids, then there is not a problem. We don't know which it is.

I dont give a stuff about women being under represented in any job. I have already said this with your parliament argument :conf: I think as long as someone does a job properly, it doesn't matter what genitalia they have.

2% facts too? hello?

you have no facts at all.

I agree about meritocracy. However if our society demands more equal representation in all walks of life from parliament to boardrooms and beyond, then it should work both ways where men are scandalously under represented

[Vicky.]

No, I have no facts at all. You are quite correct. However if everyone (including you) stuck to only posting facts, this thread would never have got past the OP, as you have added nothing else factual throughout the thread either? You have added opinions, as has everyone else.

[Ninastar]

where are you getting this 12%!!!!! from?

it says on this site that it's 19% males compared with 81% female?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/record-numbers-of-men-teaching-in-primary-schools-but-more-still-needed

[AnnieK]

where are you getting this 12%!!!!! from?

it says on this site that it's 19% males compared with 81% female?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/record-numbers-of-men-teaching-in-primary-schools-but-more-still-needed

And on the rise...

[the truth]

No, I have no facts at all. You are quite correct. However if everyone (including you) stuck to only posting facts, this thread would never have got past the OP, as you have added nothing else factual throughout the thread either? You have added opinions, as has everyone else.

My opinions based on facts....yours are utterly baseless and contradict the rules of feminism which fight for equality?

[Vicky.]

My opinions based on facts....yours are utterly baseless and contradict the rules of feminism which fight for equality?

They aren't though. As I said, the ONLY facts you have is the percentage of male primary school teachers, and from looking at the government site, it appears the 12% is wrong anyway?

[the truth]

Interesting too how the schools with female head teachers on average employ fewer male teachers.

[Ninastar]

And on the rise...

Exactly. I'd say the 5% increase within 3/4 years is pretty amazing

[Vicky.]

In infant school we had no male teachers. However the headteacher was male.
In junior school we had a couple of males but mostly female. Again, headteacher was male though.
Seniors was dominated by male teachers. We had different teachers for each lesson, overall I would say there were maybe 30/40 teachers in the school, and I only remember 5 women.


Interesting too how the schools with female head teachers on average employ fewer male teachers.

I think schools up here must differ from the 'norm'

I had a male headteacher throughout school. Yet still a massive shortage of male teachers (until senior school)

[the truth]

Exactly. I'd say the 5% increase within 3/4 years is pretty amazing
|It is marvellous to see that increase in the past 18 months , but it will take years for it to show on national statistics in helping kids have a more balanced education. clearly the nasty tories have done better than labour in this area....labour talk a good game but their pro feminist politically correct results have been a total disaster. just as was their women only parliamentary seats, a total anti democratic disgrace

[Livia]

As the question of Westminster keeps being tossed up... The selection of MPs is a complicated business. Deselecting a sitting MP is not an easy thing to do as the deselection (at the next general election) of Tim Yeo recently has proved, and he hasn't been deselected in favour of a woman, he's been deselected because he's useless.

Only one party - Labour - run women-only shortlists. The Conservatives, for instance do not, despite women Conservative MPs being heavily outnumbered 48 female to 256 male. *

Men are not being discouraged to become teachers, they obviously don't want to join the profession, otherwise, what's stopping them? Blaming women in general, and feminists in particular, is both erroneous and ridiculous.

*
http://www.ukpolitical.info/female-members-of-parliament.htm

http://www.ukpolitical.info/FemaleMPs.htm

[the truth]

I think schools up here must differ from the 'norm'

I had a male headteacher throughout school. Yet still a massive shortage of male teachers (until senior school)

funny how you "choose" one alleged example which is pro feminist yet flied against all thew nationwide evidnce that female head teacher employ more female teachers tha the average....biased ?

[Vicky.]

funny how you "choose" one alleged example which is pro feminist yet flied against all thew nationwide evidnce that female head teacher employ more female teachers tha the average....biased ?

What the hell are you going on about? I'm just saying the schools here must be different from normal, based on my personal experience? I'm not disputing 'nationwide evidence' at all:S

[the truth]

As the question of Westminster keeps being tossed up... The selection of MPs is a complicated business. Deselecting a sitting MP is not an easy thing to do as the deselection (at the next general election) of Tim Yeo recently has proved, and he hasn't been deselected in favour of a woman, he's been deselected because he's useless.

Only one party - Labour - run women-only shortlists. The Conservatives, for instance do not, despite women Conservative MPs being heavily outnumbered 48 female to 256 male. *

Men are not being discouraged to become teachers, they obviously don't want to join the profession, otherwise, what's stopping them? Blaming women in general, and feminists in particular, is both erroneous and ridiculous.

*
http://www.ukpolitical.info/female-members-of-parliament.htm

http://www.ukpolitical.info/FemaleMPs.htm

why don't you mention the number of women mps in other parties too? biased? why should women get an easier passage into parliament with female only seats and men be banned from fighting for their own seat? undemocratic and frankly illegal. yet you ignore this? why? biased much? why should the fact women have vaginas allow them any easy less meritocratic undemocratic passage into parliament?

[the truth]

What the hell are you going on about? I'm just saying the schools here must be different from normal, based on my personal experience? I'm not disputing 'nationwide evidence' at all:S

yet you choose to ignore it? total bias