Should Stacey be allowed back?

[Jordan.]

Since we're allowed polls on the razzies and threads about Scotts ban it's only fair Stacey should be allowed to be discussed openly

For people who don't know what happened with Stacey she was caught admitting to saving photos out of Meet The Members and was given a permaban for it. She was only 15 at the time and has been banned for coming up 3 years now, she's not only learnt from her mistake but also grown up since then. There's been other cases of members admitting to saving photos and even using photos to find and contact members family and friends which is above and beyond anything Stacey ever did yet no punishment was ever given to those people. On top of that there have been permabanned members in the past who have been allowed a second chance on the forum (Scott included)

so do you think it's fair that Stacey should still be punished and not given a chance to prove she's changed since then?

(I know the result of the poll alone isn't going to get her unbanned but it could atleast wake admin up and make them release they don't know EVERYTHING that's best for the forum and the members opinions should be valued too)

[Jordan.]

and before a mod says I should take it up with an admin, it's better that they see a whole opinion from the forum rather than just one member.

[arista]

"saving photos out of Meet The Members "


Thats not why she was banned

[Cherie]

"saving photos out of Meet The Members "


Thats not why she was banned

Oh!

[Jordan.]

Yes it was

[Cherie]

just repeating what I said on the other thread.

I've never really understood banning people forever (especially when the person is in their teens or barely out of them) , I don't know what went on, but we all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them I don't really see the harm in letting her back on the premise that it would never happen again.
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[Lee.]

Since we're allowed polls on the razzies and threads about Scotts ban it's only fair Stacey should be allowed to be discussed openly

For people who don't know what happened with Stacey she was caught admitting to saving photos out of Meet The Members and was given a permaban for it. She was only 15 at the time and has been banned for coming up 3 years now, she's not only learnt from her mistake but also grown up since then. There's been other cases of members admitting to saving photos and even using photos to find and contact members family and friends which is above and beyond anything Stacey ever did yet no punishment was ever given to those people. On top of that there have been permabanned members in the past who have been allowed a second chance on the forum (Scott included)

so do you think it's fair that Stacey should still be punished and not given a chance to prove she's changed since then?

(I know the result of the poll alone isn't going to get her unbanned but it could atleast wake admin up and make them release they don't know EVERYTHING that's best for the forum and the members opinions should be valued too)
It wasn't just that though was it?

[Pete.]

from what i hear she seems like a throughly unpleasent person

[arista]

Yes it was


The Ban was for a outside of this
Forum photo of a member
she posted to tibb members


nothing to do with meet the members

[Novo]

is she even bothered about being unbanned anymore? i wouldn't have permabanned her in the first place, it was one of the most over the top reactions ever.

[joeysteele]

I accept totally the mods judgements on these issues but I myself would let her back if she wanted to do so.
I liked her.

[Jordan.]

From what I've heard before, most of the mods would let her back it's the admins stopping it.

[arista]

From what I've heard before, most of the mods would let her back it's the admins stopping it.


Yes its up to James alone

[Cherie]

from what i hear she seems like a throughly unpleasent person

Yet she was in the top 10 of one of the Most Loved competition, she must have something going for her.

[Lee.]

I personally don't have a problem with Stacey.. We had a few little falling outs but nothing too serious.. However, where do you stop? If you let one permabanned member back, you'd have to let them all back?

[Benjamin]

Permambanned members have been allowed to return before.

The results are varied:

Lily for example returned from a permaban and is absolutely fine

Thomas C however was allowed to return (I still never understand why) and became an even bigger troll because he thought he could get away with more because he was allowed to return.

[Jordan.]

I personally don't have a problem with Stacey.. We had a few little falling outs but nothing too serious.. However, where do you stop? If you let one permabanned member back, you'd have to let them all back?

The difference with Stacey and other people who got permabanned is she never trolled the forum, she actually contributed.

[Cherie]

I can't see a big rush of permabanned members wanting to return tbf.

[arista]

Its ammi's fault

[Jesus.]

I think a 15 yr old should really be given the chance to grow and mature, so on one hand I think she should be allowed to return, but I think it should really be with the input from the people that she wronged.

[Vanessa]

Permambanned members have been allowed to return before.

The results are varied:

Lily for example returned from a permaban and is absolutely fine

Thomas C however was allowed to return (I still never understand why) and became an even bigger troll because he thought he could get away with more because he was allowed to return.

Lily is lovely. :lovedup:

[Ammi]

Its ammi's fault

..no it's not Arista..asking for clarification on something which is still 'unresloved' is completely different to asking for a definite decision which has already been made to be reversed... and I think you know that, this has nothing to do with me whatsoever....

[Jesus.]

Yet she was in the top 10 of one of the Most Loved competition, she must have something going for her.

Did ML 8 teach you nothing? :laugh:

[Marc]

I don't speak on behalf of any MODs and certainly not James, but I wasn't around when Stacey was perma'ed so I don't to what extent her actions were felt by others. I would be very happy to try and arrange some new form of banning and monitoring bans.

It's something I want to discuss with the MODs and get in place but I don't dare say anything else in case I give false hope!

[Benjamin]

I think a 15 yr old should really be given the chance to grow and mature, so on one hand I think she should be allowed to return, but I think it should really be with the input from the people that she wronged.

We agree on something! I think she has learnt from this and others who have been permabanned have been given a second chance, she never has and unlike a lot of permabans has not made multi after multi which works in her favour.

Also to use Jessica (Sorry Jess) as reference some members do change for the better. Jess used to be a massive troll and spammer on here a few years back but she has completely calmed down and now is a great member to have on here.

[Jemal]

Shes a nice girl. Wasnt here when shes got banned but when i have spoke to her shes a nice girl.

[Lee.]

We agree on something! I think she has learnt from this and others who have been permabanned have been given a second chance, she never has and unlike a lot of permabans has not made multi after multi which works in her favour.

Also to use Jessica (Sorry Jess) as reference some members do change for the better. Jess used to be a massive troll and spammer on here a few years back but she has completely calmed down and now is a great member to have on here.

Yeah, but surely if you unban one member, others are entitled to the same?

[Benjamin]

Yeah, but surely if you unban one member, others are entitled to the same?

Other members have been unbanned/allowed to return; off the top of my head I can think of Lily, Thomas C and Scott.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Of course she should, mods have evidence of members doing much worse than what Stacey did, as well as those members being 18+. Any mod who says no is being hypocritical & bending the rules for other members (adults) & punishing a then teenager for doing less of what others have done

[T*]

I have a visitor message with the ban post where I got banned for two years, there's a thread about stacey and about Scott and I don't even know what's going on

[Vanessa]

I wouldn't be opposed to her coming back. But i guess it's up to James. :blush:

[Pete.]

doubt she would even know if she became unbanned

[T*]

Yes, I'd like her to come back, one of my first friends on here, she did some stupid things when she was younger, but she's changed.

[Z]

To be honest, I thought Stacey's ban was completely warranted at the time - this was when TiBB was a thoroughly unpleasant place to be and Stacey openly bragging about saving photos so she could use them for blackmail just seemed like a pissing contest really, somebody showing off that they could take it further than everyone else. This was when you had Tommy and Stephanie posting Kerry's pictures (and as Kerry sadly passed away not all that long after, I don't think they should ever be allowed back - Kerry never really commented on that whole thing because I think it hurt her so much, and it would be making a mockery of her memory to let them back, even though I really liked Stephanie and I got on with Tommy), you had setanta, you had Thomas C, you had huge divides on the forum and constant fighting... it was a nasty environment.

Things have changed a lot since then. I know that Stacey's friends have remained her friends over the years and that you all still speak to her regularly, I'm not sure where you keep in touch but to Stacey's absolute credit she has not trolled TiBB with multiple accounts, she has not done anything in retribution for being banned, she just really seems to want to be unbanned so she can return to posting on the forum.

I'm not sure if I forgive the stuff she was writing on Formspring about and to TiBB members (comments about Twilight and Shaun seem to stick out in my memory) but she was 15 years old then. Ultimately her ban didn't affect me either way - I didn't have a problem with her and I didn't have a problem with her ban. I don't think, if she returned, she would be like Thomas C or Scott, I think she would just relish being back here and be sensible about it.

[MeMyselfAndI]

So... You're not allowed too save pictures from MTM
But you are allowed too save pictures from MTM of pictures of members in their school uniform & then research that school uniform, find out what School that member goes too, contact the school about that member & then contact that members cousin's & sibling's.

Oh wait... That doesn't make sense :conf:

[Jessica.]

No, she's a disgusting excuse for a human being and she violated the privacy of most members here, she should have been banned long before she was. I had the unfortunate experience of seeing her on the Razzies forum before she was removed from it and she still had the exact same attitude as before, I don't think the question should even be asked about whether she should be unbanned or not. Should mentioning her be banned? That's a better question!

[sassysocks]

The difference with Stacey and other people who got permabanned is she never trolled the forum, she actually contributed.

Saving and abusing photos of other members is considerably worse than trolling, with the potential of causing more harm. Besides the definition of 'trolling' is open to debate, one person's defintion is not the same as another's. Who decides the definition and how to fairly apply it? What Stacey did was considerably more clear cut.

Trying to excuse her behaviour because of her age seems a cop-out to me. If you are old enough to post on the site, you are old enough to follow the rules and be held accountable if you break them.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Jessica your one too talk, you still try & bait & troll people, you clearly tried too ruin ML yesterday :shrug:

[Jordan.]

No, she's a disgusting excuse for a human being and she violated the privacy of most members here, she should have been banned long before she was. I had the unfortunate experience of seeing her on the Razzies forum before she was removed from it and she still had the exact same attitude as before, I don't think the question should even be asked about whether she should be unbanned or not. Should mentioning her be banned? That's a better question!

There was a lot of nasty comments been thrown on that forum by members who are still on here. One that sticks out was Salman getting told he'll be kicked out of his religion. So let's not act like Stacey was the only one with a bad attitude on there.

[Jessica.]

I'm not sure if I forgive the stuff she was writing on Formspring about and to TiBB members (comments about Twilight and Shaun seem to stick out in my memory) but she was 15 years old then. Ultimately her ban didn't affect me either way - I didn't have a problem with her and I didn't have a problem with her ban. I don't think, if she returned, she would be like Thomas C or Scott, I think she would just relish being back here and be sensible about it.

She has the very same attitude and she is not afraid to speak in her usual derogative manner, her personality is toxic and she shouldn't get the satisfaction of being rewarded with access to TiBB again. I don't mean this personally, I am just speaking my recent surprising altercation with her, which I didn't take personally in the slightest, I have long moved on from all of that. But I have to say I disagree with you.

Also, as far as I know, Stephanie didn't save any of the pictures, but she admitted to making a fake email address. :conf2:

[Pete.]

funny how Jordan expected a landslide of yes

[Jessica.]

Jessica your one too talk, you still try & bait & troll people, you clearly tried too ruin ML yesterday :shrug:

I did not. :nono: ML is great.

[Jordan.]

funny how Jordan expected a landslide of yes

um no I didn't there's been many discussion of Stacey on this forum before you were even here so I think I'd know what the reaction would be.

[Black Dagger]

I think Stacey was immature and what she did was wrong, but obviously I'd allow her back because she's one of my best online friends, but I totally understand why she isn't allowed back.

[Black Dagger]

funny how Jordan expected a landslide of yes

Stacey has loads of people who dislike her on here :laugh:

I was expecting a landslide no, surprised yes is winning rn.

[Vanessa]

I think Stacey was immature and what she did was wrong, but obviously I'd allow her back because she's one of my best online friends, but I totally understand why she isn't allowed back.

I'm sure she would be fine now, as she's older and more mature. :blush:

[MeMyselfAndI]

I did not. :nono: ML is great.

There was no bitching or baiting all ceremony until my name was called out & you posted a picture of a horse, people commented on your baiting throughout the ceremony,you clearly tried too ruin the ceremony for everyone:nono:

[Pete.]

um no I didn't there's been many discussion of Stacey on this forum before you were even here so I think I'd know what the reaction would be.


(I know the result of the poll alone isn't going to get her unbanned but it could atleast wake admin up and make them release they don't know EVERYTHING that's best for the forum and the members opinions should be valued too)

You clearly wanted everyone to say yes to make the mods seem stupid And small :nono:

[Jessica.]

There was no bitching or baiting all ceremony until my name was called out & you posted a picture of a horse, people commented on your baiting throughout the ceremony,you clearly tried too ruin the ceremony for everyone:nono:

I didn't, I just posted a picture of Leona with a happy smile as your reward for placing. :amazed:

Also, why are you changing the topic of the thread? D:

[Jesus.]

There was no bitching or baiting all ceremony until my name was called out & you posted a picture of a horse, people commented on your baiting throughout the ceremony,you clearly tried too ruin the ceremony for everyone:nono:

I will say in Jessica's defence, that it's easy not to bitch or bait when everyone gets the result they want (not you personally), it's when people don't get what they want that you see the reality.

[Jessica.]

I'm sure she would be fine now, as she's older and more mature. :blush:

She hasn't Matured Vanessa, she still has a grudge against all of the people who were against her so long ago, it's sad really. :joker:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Yes, members have done the same on here whilst being over the age of 20 and dealing with pictures of members under 18, and even going far as to research about their personal lives, but the majority of people on here still love them (god knows why but yeah) what Stacey did was tame in comparison especially considering she was young herself

I've been speaking to her for almost two years now and I don't think she's malicious at all. She was only standing up to herself in the razzies forum because people like Smithy were giving her a **** time

[Vanessa]

She hasn't Matured Vanessa, she still has a grudge against all of the people who were against her so long ago, it's sad really. :joker:

She's still young though. I never met her, but i'd give her a second chance.

[Cherie]

Did ML 8 teach you nothing? :laugh:

:joker:

[T*]

Actually, disregard the thing I said before, a few things she did were awful.

[Gstar]

I met Stacey on another forum almost two years ago, we went from hating each other to keeping in contact for all this time. She's controversial and when you get to know her she really is harmless. Definitely yes

[RichardG]

I don't often post on here and know very little about Stacey but from what I've heard on this thread alone, I don't think she should be brought back. Trolling the forum is annoying but I can deal with that. Ultimately it's harmless.

However, to use peoples personal photos to blackmail people and even taking photos from offsite (both of which I'm only assuming happened based on the posts here... correct me if I'm wrong) is not right at all and I'd be quite upset if that happened to me. Equally, whoever it is that some of you guys say has used personal photos of people in the past yet got away with it should be banned too. I just don't agree with that at all. If you want attention then spam the forum with loads of annoying posts but no one should ever take an Internet forum that seriously.

[Samm]

It's bring back banned members day :amazed:

[Gstar]

People should know what they're getting themselves into when posting photos online anyway

[Z]

Can we not act like the photo thing was the only reason why Stacey was banned though? It was the reason that she was given the ban, but it was the cherry on top of a pile of other reasons that had left her on thin ice with the moderating team. I don't know what everyone else is referring to when they say other members have used pictures but I would guess that if other people have used pictures of TiBB members then they were considered isolated incidents by the staff and not a reason to permanently ban that member.

[Samm]

Come on mods being them back it's Christmas

[Pete.]

Come on mods being them back it's Christmas

nice contribution there :spin:

[Vanessa]

Come on mods being them back it's Christmas

:love:

[sassysocks]

Yes, members have done the same on here whilst being over the age of 20 and dealing with pictures of members under 18, and even going far as to research about their personal lives, but the majority of people on here still love them (god knows why but yeah) what Stacey did was tame in comparison especially considering she was young herself

I've been speaking to her for almost two years now and I don't think she's malicious at all. She was only standing up to herself in the razzies forum because people like Smithy were giving her a **** time

Smithy, now there is a troll and a wind-up merchant, but still here I see. One rule for some and another for everyone else. How very surprising, not.

[Jesus.]

This thread isn't really about Smithy. If you wanted to start one up about him, then I'm sure he'd pop in and laugh at it though.

[Jordan.]

Can we not act like the photo thing was the only reason why Stacey was banned though? It was the reason that she was given the ban, but it was the cherry on top of a pile of other reasons that had left her on thin ice with the moderating team. I don't know what everyone else is referring to when they say other members have used pictures but I would guess that if other people have used pictures of TiBB members then they were considered isolated incidents by the staff and not a reason to permanently ban that member.

The other situation was when Mollie was outed and members contacted her friends and family in real life. How is that not worse and more worrying for members than Stacey childishly saving photos incase she needed to use them against someone? you already noted how horrible tibb was back then.

[Benjamin]

Smithy, now there is a troll and a wind-up merchant, but still here I see. One rule for some and another for everyone else. How very surprising, not.

Can we not. This isn't a thread about digging at current members.

[Z]

The other situation was when Mollie was outed and members contacted her friends and family in real life. How is that not worse and more worrying for members than Stacey childishly saving photos incase she needed to use them against someone? you already noted how horrible tibb was back then.

That's true, but I can only speak on behalf of the mods relating to the Stacey thing because I was one back then, but after that horrible period of people fighting all the time and people getting banned left, right and centre, I decided to step down, not good for my enjoyment of the site :laugh:.

To be honest with the whole Mollie thing I thought it was a gross invasion of privacy, even if Mollie was a fake member and what they were doing was wrong, it was still way too far to take the law into their own hands - but I don't really know anything about that situation, I don't know what went down.

[Benjamin]

To be honest with the whole Mollie thing I thought it was a gross invasion of privacy, even if Mollie was a fake member and what they were doing was wrong, it was still way too far to take the law into their own hands - but I don't really know anything about that situation, I don't know what went down.

This was the final straw for me as a mod and why I stepped down.

[Me. I Am Salman]

It's disgusting what they did to Mollie, she was one of the kindest members on this site

[Pete.]

The other situation was when Mollie was outed and members contacted her friends and family in real life. How is that not worse and more worrying for members than Stacey childishly saving photos incase she needed to use them against someone? you already noted how horrible tibb was back then.

that is an awful thing and if you are supporting this kind of behaviour I think you should be excluded from this site. blackmail is a terrible and nasty thing :shocked:

[T*]

Smithy, now there is a troll and a wind-up merchant, but still here I see. One rule for some and another for everyone else. How very surprising, not.

If your going to randomly take digs at current member get out

[arista]

Come on mods being them back it's Christmas


Not mods
its Admin James

[MeMyselfAndI]

But you are allowed too save pictures from MTM of pictures of members in their school uniform & then research that school uniform, find out what School that member goes too, contact the school about that member & then contact that members cousin's & sibling's.


But Zee, the above is not even infraction worthy, so how on earth is what Stacey did even a reason to be banned if the above is completely allowed :conf:

I don't like the rules & modding inconsistencies at all, how some members can do what they like (literally) whilst others can't. It's just a fact really.

[Z]

This was the final straw for me as a mod and why I stepped down.

I think for me, there were decisions being made that I personally couldn't stand behind and I just decided that I wanted to be a regular member again.

[Jordan.]

that is an awful thing and if you are supporting this kind of behaviour I think you should be excluded from this site. blackmail is a terrible and nasty thing :shocked:

Well you would because you don't know the whole story.

[MeMyselfAndI]

If you're good friends with a load of mods you won't get punished, thats my theory tbh

[Lee.]

It's disgusting what they did to Mollie, she was one of the kindest members on this site

*he

[Benjamin]

I think for me, there were decisions being made that I personally couldn't stand behind and I just decided that I wanted to be a regular member again.

I'm much happier on here as a regular member, it really started getting me down. I'd come on here to have a piss around and a laugh and end up having to deal with so much drama. The last months before I stepped down were truly awful as a mod, and made me want to just quit TiBB.

[Z]

But Zee, the above is not even infraction worthy, so how on earth is what Stacey did even a reason to be banned if the above is completely allowed :conf:

I don't like the rules & modding inconsistencies at all, how some members can do what they like (literally) whilst others can't. It's just a fact really.

I know why it's frustrating for members when the rules don't seem to be consistent, but rather than thinking of moderators as people who simply enforce rules, think of it more as like a jury at a trial - each case is different and they have to take into account all of the factors that they know about, and they dish out the punishment according to what they think will be best for the person they're punishing and the rest of the community. Sometimes it's just a slap on the wrist, other times it's a lengthy ban in the hope that they will reform, and other times it's an indefinite or permanent ban if they don't feel that the member will learn their lesson.

Edit: Just like a jury in a trial, they have to go with the majority consensus when they make their decision. You'd be surprised how many decisions in the admin forum get debated extensively before action is taken - and that's me speaking from experiences that were over two years ago; I'm sure it's still the same today.

[Samm]

Mollie left when I joined I think :(

[Pete.]

Well you would because you don't know the whole story.

no I don't know the whole story but the way you phrased it 'in case she needed it to use it against someone' makes me feel that you and her are unpleasant :spin:

[Benjamin]

If you're good friends with a load of mods you won't get punished, thats my theory tbh

Not strictly true, I banned you a few times. :tongue:

[Stu]

Sure, why not. It's not like she can make the hole this place is any deeper.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Then the jury are idiots, if they think what Stacey did was worse..

[Jordan.]

no I don't know the whole story but the way you phrased it 'in case she needed it to use it against someone' makes me feel that you and her are unpleasant :spin:

wow and I care so much. I'm guessing you're still fuming over tibb bb that's why you feel the need to troll this thread http://i.imgur.com/QWY2By2.gif

[Me. I Am Salman]

omg lmao

[Pete.]

wow and I care so much. I'm guessing you're still fuming over tibb bb that's why you feel the need to troll this thread http://i.imgur.com/QWY2By2.gif

if you call trolling contribution then what is the point of Internet forums??

[Z]

Then the jury are idiots, if they think what Stacey did was worse..

But you're still talking about things in a comparative sense. Each case is judged individually. The mods didn't permanently ban Stacey and have some future insight into what would happen with Mollie a few years later; nor did they presumably look at what happened with Mollie and immediately think back to what happened with Stacey - especially considering that the mod team involved in Stacey's ban is quite different from the one that exists team.

[Jessica.]

Then the jury are idiots, if they think what Stacey did was worse..

It was worse, I don't know anything about Mollie/Mike but I am pretty sure whoever used their pictures to find out about them were affected personally by their lies. Also, you seem to forget that at the beginning you stole pictures from a girl and posted them on the forum to tie with your fake persona. so obviously it;s easy for you to see past something like that,

Stacey saved the pictures of EVERYONE and made it public that the purpose was to use them for blackmail, that is disgusting behaviour that I wouldn't expect from anyway, also after her ban she let it be known that she didn't delete the pictures either, and for all we know she could still have them.

[Jordan.]

if you call trolling contribution then what is the point of Internet forums??

You're not contributing though, you've already admitted you don't know the whole story. I get the impression you're just using this as an excuse to be a nuisance like you were in the tibb bb thread.

[Samm]

wow and I care so much. I'm guessing you're still fuming over tibb bb that's why you feel the need to troll this thread http://i.imgur.com/QWY2By2.gif

:laugh3:

[T*]

This was the final straw for me as a mod and why I stepped down.

It's sometimes really scary here, especially when things like the mollie thing happened.

[MeMyselfAndI]

It wasn't worse Jessica, contacting family members & the school someone goes too, who is under 18, from adults is much much worse.

Especially from a member that was always very kind too everybody and probably had issues, It must have knocked their confidence even lower.

Especially when Mollie was begging the members to stop on MSN also, and the others were all laughing like bullies

[Jordan.]

It wasn't worse Jessica, contacting family members & the school someone goes too, who is under 18, from adults is much much worse.

All Stacey did was saved the photos she never acted upon it like they did, I don't see how it could be worse?

[arista]

It was worse, I don't know anything about Mollie/Mike but I am pretty sure whoever used their pictures to find out about them were affected personally by their lies. Also, you seem to forget that at the beginning you stole pictures from a girl and posted them on the forum to tie with your fake persona. so obviously it;s easy for you to see past something like that,

Stacey saved the pictures of EVERYONE and made it public that the purpose was to use them for blackmail, that is disgusting behaviour that I wouldn't expect from anyway, also after her ban she let it be known that she didn't delete the pictures either, and for all we know she could still have them.


that puts a whole new light on this

[Jessica.]

It wasn't worse Jessica, contacting family members & the school someone goes too, who is under 18, from adults is much much worse.

Stacey even posted your facebook on the forum and it said your school on it, anyone could have contacted your school from that. :joker:

[Pete.]

You're not contributing though, you've already admitted you don't know the whole story. I get the impression you're just using this as an excuse to be a nuisance like you were in the tibb bb thread.

I can easily understand the story from this thread though and I thing that Stacey did some bad things and the fact that you openly endorse her behaviour is IMO bad :spin:

[Novo]

why do people think more then one person contacted Mollie's family.. it was only one person who actually rang someone up

[MeMyselfAndI]

Stacey even posted your facebook on the forum and it said your school on it, anyone could have contacted your school from that. :joker:

They actually did contact the school though, now please can you leave as you were not even on the forum when the Mollie thing happened.

[sassysocks]

Well you would because you don't know the whole story.

Clearly you don't either, as has already been pointed out in this thread on several occasions. Doing what Stacey did is exactly the reason why people should not post photos of themselves on the internet - she is the type of person to beware of, she can't be trusted. I can't see a couple of years changing that.

[reece(:]

There's a big difference from a 15 year old girl and 18/19? year old woman, I'm sure she's learnt her mistakes and she actually brought a lot to the BB forums (and elsewhere?) when she was on and she's nice on twitter. :)

[T*]

Can we just stop, this is getting to a disturbing topic and is creating drama, I say we just enjoy our Sunday and relax.

[MeMyselfAndI]

why do people think more then one person contacted Mollie's family.. it was only one person who actually rang someone up

I asked that person too stop, and they added me too a group convosation straight away with 4 of you, so although one person did the contacting (and should be banned), alot of you were egging them on

[Z]

why do people think more then one person contacted Mollie's family.. it was only one person who actually rang someone up

To be honest all I've ever known about it was Raph was really upset, other people said they weren't going to talk about it on the forum, and then people comparing it with Stacey in threads like this to somehow try and make Stacey look better or something even though the two members had nothing to do with each other and the circumstances are completely different...

[Me. I Am Salman]

why do people think more then one person contacted Mollie's family.. it was only one person who actually rang someone up

I saw a screenshot of the chat, it was like 4/5 people talking about ways to find someones personal details (idk if it was Mollie or Mike)

[Drew.]

The person who was involved in all the off site things involving Mollie that you've mentioned no longer even uses the forum. (Well rarely uses it)

Stacey seems like a nice enough girl, iv only spoken to her off site but she doesn't really fit the description of the OP so chances are she's changed for the better.

[reece(:]

A lot of people are still talking about actions that an immature 15 year old made, who has now grown up. Everyone deserves a second chance (imo)

[joeysteele]

There's a big difference from a 15 year old girl and 18/19? year old woman, I'm sure she's learnt her mistakes and she actually brought a lot to the BB forums (and elsewhere?) when she was on and she's nice on twitter. :)

Very good points to be fair Reece, I agree there is a big difference between 15 and 18/19.
She should not be deemed a failure at 15,I am one who believes in building up not bringing down and as I said before, I got on well with her on here and liked her when she was on here.

As I said in the first line though, you make really good points in the post above.

[Jessica.]

They actually did contact the school though, now please can you leave as you were not even on the forum when the Mollie thing happened.

I wont leave and I was here, I was also friends with Mike on MSN in late 2009/Early 2010 before this Mollie thing started, this isn't even about him, you were the one who brought it into this thread, so just control yourself if you don't want the conversation turned against you.

[Jessica.]

A lot of people are still talking about actions that an immature 15 year old made, who has now grown up. Everyone deserves a second chance (imo)

I said many times already that she hasn't grown up. :joker:

[Gstar]

Can we just @ Jessica calling her a "disgusting excuse of a human being" that's such a nasty thing to say

[Jessica.]

Also, I should state and Stacey was one of my best friends on the forum at the beginning and I know that she can be a lovely person to talk to if you don't get on the wrong side of her but she's like Jekyll and Hyde, as soon as you voice that you disagree with anything about her she changes and holds a personal grudge for what seems like forever.

[sassysocks]

There's a big difference from a 15 year old girl and 18/19? year old woman, I'm sure she's learnt her mistakes and she actually brought a lot to the BB forums (and elsewhere?) when she was on and she's nice on twitter. :)

No there isn't. 15 is hardly a baby, unless you are suggesting that any of the veiws/actions posted on here by 15 year olds and younger should be totally ignored, she knew exactly what she was doing, and that is what is worrying.

You can't have it both ways, either you are old enough to be trusted on chat sites or you aren't. All the teens wouldl then have licence to say and do whatever they like, and then cry 'but I'm only a teenager' when held to account.

[Jesus.]

How do all these new members seem to know so much about Stacey?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Loads of people have differences of opinion with Stacey, people make fun of Rylan loads, and she doesn't hate us :conf:

[Z]

Also, I should state and Stacey was one of my best friends on the forum at the beginning and I know that she can be a lovely person to talk to if you don't get on the wrong side of her but she's like Jekyll and Hyde, as soon as you voice that you disagree with anything about her she changes and holds a personal grudge for what seems like forever.

Yeah I agree with this. For everyone proclaiming Stacey's sweetness, most of you were not members of the forum when she was banned and you've only gotten to know her off-site since then - she was not a sweet person on here a lot of the time. I say that as someone who didn't mind her. She could be very, very cruel.

[Locke.]

Sure

[Jessica.]

How do all these new members seem to know so much about Stacey?

Because they were introduced to her outside of the forum as friends, by friends, so they don't know any of the bad things she has done or the bad side of her..

[Gstar]

Also, I should state and Stacey was one of my best friends on the forum at the beginning and I know that she can be a lovely person to talk to if you don't get on the wrong side of her but she's like Jekyll and Hyde, as soon as you voice that you disagree with anything about her she changes and holds a personal grudge for what seems like forever.

stacey and I hardly have anything in common but we get on well so you're kinda speaking for yourself there

[Z]

stacey and I hardly have anything in common but we get on well so you're kinda speaking for yourself there

No she's not.

[Jordan.]

Also, I should state and Stacey was one of my best friends on the forum at the beginning and I know that she can be a lovely person to talk to if you don't get on the wrong side of her but she's like Jekyll and Hyde, as soon as you voice that you disagree with anything about her she changes and holds a personal grudge for what seems like forever.

Because they were introduced to her outside of the forum as friends, by friends, so they don't know any of the bad things she has done or the bad side of her..

again this was when she was 15, she's changed since then.

[Pete.]

no one really changes with age

[Jessica.]

again this was when she was 15, she's changed since then.

No, she hasn't, the second she saw me speaking to others in the shoutbox the other day she made a rude comment asking why I was there immediately, do you think I would be friendly after that? It just proves that she is the exact same. :joker:

[Jordan.]

No, she hasn't, the second she saw me speaking to others in the shoutbox the other day she made a rude comment asking why I was there immediately, do you think I would be friendly after that? It just proves that she is the exact same. :joker:

I didn't see what she said but if you're constantly slagging her off and holding something she did years ago against her so it's not surprising she'd be hostile.

[Gstar]

No she's not.

She is tho Greg and I'm not even trying to be rude, I didn't meet Stacey through friends or anyone on this forum so our relationship wasn't forced/influenced. I know and understand her personality and like I said it's been almost two years

[sassysocks]

again this was when she was 15, she's changed since then.

Evidence? The opinion of some pal on the site means little.

[reece(:]

I said many times already that she hasn't grown up. :joker:

But you can say that until the sun goes down, do you know her properly as of late? I've talked to her a few times and she's really pleasant now.

[Jordan.]

Evidence? The opinion of some pal on the site means little.

How can I provide evidence? She needs to be given a second chance on here to prove that herself.

[Jessica.]

I didn't see what she said but if you're constantly slagging her off and holding something she did years ago against her so it's not surprising she'd be hostile.

I am not constantly slagging her off, but I wasn't going to be friendly to her if the first thing I saw her say was directed towards me in a hostile manner.

[reece(:]

No there isn't. 15 is hardly a baby, unless you are suggesting that any of the veiws/actions posted on here by 15 year olds and younger should be totally ignored, she knew exactly what she was doing, and that is what is worrying.

You can't have it both ways, either you are old enough to be trusted on chat sites or you aren't. All the teens wouldl then have licence to say and do whatever they like, and then cry 'but I'm only a teenager' when held to account.

People make mistakes when they are young, that is common fact. Teenagers still have a lot to learn in life (as I do) and have growing up do. Some mature earlier than others but to close the door on someone who was 15 and immature is a bit harsh.

[reece(:]

How can I provide evidence? She needs to be given a second chance on here to prove that herself.

I definitely think the only thing that will show if she's really changed is giving her a trial run to show everyone she's changed now.

(also might boost Cher's promo... which is never a bad thing):joker:

[Gstar]

I definitely think the only thing that will show if she's really changed is giving her a trial run to show everyone she's changed now.

(also might boost Cher's promo... which is never a bad thing):joker:

It's a God given gift to praise and shade someone at the same time. You definitely have this gift

[sassysocks]

People make mistakes when they are young, that is common fact. Teenagers still have a lot to learn in life (as I do) and have growing up do. Some mature earlier than others but to close the door on someone who was 15 and immature is a bit harsh.

It is always easy for those who had not been on the receiving end of someone's nasty behaviour to be 'forgiving'. But at the end of the day - it is not their place. It is always different when it's you or yours.

We have all been 15, and yes we all do stupid things, but to abuse the trust of other young naive people putting photos of themselves on site, is inexusable. 15 year-olds are not that stupid, which is why I said she knew what she was doing. Youthful naiveity can be excused, youthful nastiness tends to be more of a character flaw.

[MeMyselfAndI]

It is always easy for those who had not been on the receiving end of someone's nasty behaviour to be 'forgiving'. But at the end of the day - it is not their place. It is always different when it's you or yours.

We have all been 15, and yes we all do stupid things, but to abuse the trust of other young naive people putting photos of themselves on site, is inexusable. 15 year-olds are not that stupid, which is why I said she knew what she was doing. Youthful naiveity can be excused, youthful nastiness tends to be more of a character flaw.

I was on the recieving end of 'saved photos', I forgave her straight away as she didn't mean any harm or anything :).

She wasn't being nasty, she was worried people would blackmail her, it was purely just a 'just incase defence' which she admitted was silly & she regrets it.

[sassysocks]

imma need you to step back with that sarcasm, I don't even know who you are

So - do people you don't know not have a right to an opinion. Is there a hierachy then?

[Marc]

You've all taken this way off topic with insults and bickering. Please stop

[Black Dagger]

I had to force her to save my photos and make a MSN emoticon of me, that proves she's changed imo.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Shaun has been trolling Stacey for years, whilst she is unable to defend herself, and is still doing it on the forum, I've reported his blogs about other TiBB members where he mentions Stacey in almost everyone, (I.e. Black Dagger's member review - avoid - Stacey) and also on the 'TiBB's best member's ever thread (lol)'

[Jessica.]

lieing

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even spell basic words? :joker:

Why would I lie? I honestly don't even care if Stacey exists on the planet, I went to the Razzies forum with the full intention of ignoring her existence, then she came along while I was talking and asked why I was there in an extremely rude manner, THEN I decided that she would never get a chance from me because I know she hasn't changed. I definitely don't want someone with that kind of toxic personality posting on TiBB anyway.

[Jordan.]

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even spell basic words? :joker:

Why would I lie? I honestly don't even care if Stacey exists on the planet, I went to the Razzies forum with the full intention of ignoring her existence, then she came along while I was talking and asked why I was there in an extremely rude manner, THEN I decided that she would never get a chance from me because I know she hasn't changed. I definitely don't want someone with that kind of toxic personality posting on TiBB anyway.

and what about your friends on there who were throwing insults are Salman and MMI are they any better than Stacey?

[Marc]

Fine.

[James]

Since we're allowed polls on the razzies and threads about Scotts ban it's only fair Stacey should be allowed to be discussed openly

For people who don't know what happened with Stacey she was caught admitting to saving photos out of Meet The Members and was given a permaban for it. She was only 15 at the time and has been banned for coming up 3 years now, she's not only learnt from her mistake but also grown up since then. There's been other cases of members admitting to saving photos and even using photos to find and contact members family and friends which is above and beyond anything Stacey ever did yet no punishment was ever given to those people. On top of that there have been permabanned members in the past who have been allowed a second chance on the forum (Scott included)

so do you think it's fair that Stacey should still be punished and not given a chance to prove she's changed since then?

(I know the result of the poll alone isn't going to get her unbanned but it could atleast wake admin up and make them release they don't know EVERYTHING that's best for the forum and the members opinions should be valued too)

But Zee, the above is not even infraction worthy, so how on earth is what Stacey did even a reason to be banned if the above is completely allowed :conf:

I don't like the rules & modding inconsistencies at all, how some members can do what they like (literally) whilst others can't. It's just a fact really.


So... You're not allowed too save pictures from MTM
But you are allowed too save pictures from MTM of pictures of members in their school uniform & then research that school uniform, find out what School that member goes too, contact the school about that member & then contact that members cousin's & sibling's.

Oh wait... That doesn't make sense :conf:

If you're good friends with a load of mods you won't get punished, thats my theory tbh

Of course she should, mods have evidence of members doing much worse than what Stacey did, as well as those members being 18+. Any mod who says no is being hypocritical & bending the rules for other members (adults) & punishing a then teenager for doing less of what others have done

I wish you would stop, on here and elsewhere, misrepresenting staff decisions, and stop making these half-baked comparisons. As usual you only give half the story.

The comparison you make with the other situation is way off. That was provoked to some extent by someone lying about his identity to the whole forum, using a fake picture, and even, from what has been reported, planning to meet someone. In my opinion those facts mitigate what the other person (I am told) did, as stupid as it was.

What Stacey did was more than just saving pictures posted on the forum as the quoted posts above claim - she had a folder for virtually every active member on the forum, which the forum found out about when she then shared a screenshot with someone else. Not just one or two pictures taken from the Meet the Members thread on this forum, but pictures taken from members' social networking and image account profiles - of people who have never posted pictures on the forum or put a link up to their Facebook or other profiles - and also saved images from group webcam chats. :o

It was a big invasion of privacy. It involved lots of people - even ones have been on the site from way back and never get into dramas or involved in cliques or anything like that.

How can she be unbanned when so many people were creeped out by it? Even people who were active on the forum then but aren't now - what if they returned and saw that she was back posting. What kind of message does that send out?

Some of you don't seem to understand the harm stuff like this can cause to people.

And I don't understand why this should be subject to a forum poll. A lot of people on here now weren't on the forum when she got banned, or wouldn't have been aware of what happened.

The other point people seem to be perpetuating is that members are getting banned for one incident when in fact there has been an accumulation of incidents, and have been causing lots of trouble and never seem to change.

I'll leave this topic open for a little while longer if anyone wants to respond, and then close it again and delete it, as these topics always result in more division and drama being caused.

[Jessica.]

I wish you would stop, on here and elsewhere, misrepresenting staff decisions, and stop making these half-baked comparisons. As usual you only give half the story.

The comparison you make with the other situation is way off. That was provoked to some extent by someone lying about his identity to the whole forum, using a fake picture, and even, from what has been reported, planning to meet someone. In my opinion those facts mitigate what the other person (I am told) did, as stupid as it was.

What Stacey did was more than just saving pictures posted on the forum as the quoted posts above claim - she had a folder for virtually every active member on the forum, which the forum found out about when she then shared a screenshot with someone else. Not just one or two pictures taken from the Meet the Members thread on this forum, but pictures taken from members' social networking and image account profiles - of people who have never posted pictures on the forum or put a link up to their Facebook or other profiles - and also saved images from group webcam chats. :o

It was a big invasion of privacy. It involved lots of people - even ones have been on the site from way back and never get into dramas or involved in cliques or anything like that.

How can she be unbanned when so many people were creeped out by it? Even people who were active on the forum then but aren't now - what if they returned and saw that she was back posting. What kind of message does that send out?

Some of you don't seem to understand the harm stuff like this can cause to people.

And I don't understand why this should be subject to a forum poll. A lot of people on here now weren't on the forum when she got banned, or wouldn't have been aware of what happened.

The other point people seem to be perpetuating is that members are getting banned for one incident when in fact there has been an accumulation of incidents, and have been causing lots of trouble and never seem to change.

I'll leave this topic open for a little while longer if anyone wants to respond, and then close it again and delete it, as these topics always result in more division and drama being caused.

:worship: Thank you for the clarification.

[Vicky.]

We agree on something! I think she has learnt from this and others who have been permabanned have been given a second chance, she never has and unlike a lot of permabans has not made multi after multi which works in her favour.

Also to use Jessica (Sorry Jess) as reference some members do change for the better. Jess used to be a massive troll and spammer on here a few years back but she has completely calmed down and now is a great member to have on here.

Yes this has been my main point when talking about this in admin tbh. The ONLY permabanned member as far as I am aware that as never made a multi, or sent loads of mails abusing us, and just accepted the ban.

I wouldn't be against stacey coming back on a kinda trial...as she was quite obnoxious back then (asides from he photo thing) but sometimes she did actually contribute to the forum, and I agree that theres a massive diference between being 15 and 18.

However, a lot of people were really creeped out by what she did. I'm not a very private person so it never bothered me really, but I know some others are. The worst thing bout the whole thing (for me anyway) was the hunting down members facebook pages and saving photos from there too, not just the meet the members thread. Her ban has just been trivialised over the years I think, and made out to be it was all about MTM...and it could be arged that people who post in MTM arent private as they put the photo there for all to see..which I kinda get. BUT, getting photos of people who have never posted in there is totally wrong.

So basically, I am both for and against her coming back, so I'm quite useless :laugh:

[Gstar]

Ok, this needs to be said before the thread gets deleted

Jessica, you always have to be on the admins/mods side, sometimes a little bit too much, I think you are trying too hard to try and prove something or even get a tibb staff member job. (im not even being rude im just reading so let me continue), I was gonna PM you all of this but the post you just did wasn't really needed and it's a bit of a "haha" to Jordan.

Even when Salman was banned last week you were going on as if you were a tibb staff member and giving your opinions on his ban when nobody asked for it.

That is all

[Vicky.]

Yeah, but surely if you unban one member, others are entitled to the same?

And this is another problem. Where does it end. I mean, even now we have the (wrong, admittedly) decision to overturn thomas' ban thrown at us when people are wanting their friends back.

[Pete.]

I think that we are stupid to argue about something out of our control -- the mods and admins are the only people who can possibly do anything about this and they have made their position clear. This thread and others are annoying and should be gone quickly

[Marsh.]

No. Keep the stalkers out.

[Z]

And this is another problem. Where does it end. I mean, even now we have the (wrong, admittedly) decision to overturn thomas' ban thrown at us when people are wanting their friends back.

Which is why I was so vehemently against it at the time, I knew that would be the end result when it inevitably went wrong

[Vanessa]

Yeah, it's not up to us. :(

[Jake.]

Still love how people sugar-coat 'Mollie' like some loving, adorable member. That was the avatar and posting style talking. Anybody who plans to meet with somebody, allows them to spend vasts amount of money and ditches them (sorry David, if you don't want this posted I can remove it), isn't a nice person. End of.

[Glenn.]

Ok, this needs to be said before the thread gets deleted

Jessica, you always have to be on the admins/mods side, sometimes a little bit too much, I think you are trying too hard to try and prove something or even get a tibb staff member job. (im not even being rude im just reading so let me continue), I was gonna PM you all of this but the post you just did wasn't really needed and it's a bit of a "haha" to Jordan.

Even when Salman was banned last week you were going on as if you were a tibb staff member and giving your opinions on his ban when nobody asked for it.

That is all

Zero relevance to the topic and immensely rude IMO

[Shaun]

The short answer is no.

The long answer is **** no.

[Jake.]

And as for Stacey, if she's a nice person now (she seems to be so this isn't me running her down), talk to her offline like you have been for the past two years, she was clearly banned on here for a reason.

[Gstar]

Zero relevance to the topic and immensely rude IMO

arrest me if i'm breaking the law

[Vicky.]

The other situation was when Mollie was outed and members contacted her friends and family in real life. How is that not worse and more worrying for members than Stacey childishly saving photos incase she needed to use them against someone? you already noted how horrible tibb was back then.

For what its worth, my opinion on the mollie thing is this

The person (I wont name names but I know who it was) who contacted her family should have been permabanned immediately. That is a gross invasion of privacy and not something that should ever be tolerated.

I dont know too much about the rest of it, but I kinda get why the 'investigation' happened, as 'mollie' has been planning on meeting one of our members...and I think that member actually did go to where they were meant to meet?

But the contacting her family was absolutely disgusting and everytime I see that ****ing stalker post I feel nothing but contempt for him. Which is a shame because I liked him before that.

[Benjamin]

For what its worth, my opinion on the mollie thing is this

The person (I wont name names but I know who it was) who contacted her family should have been permabanned immediately. That is a gross invasion of privacy and not something that should ever be tolerated.

I dont know too much about the rest of it, but I kinda get why the 'investigation' happened, as 'mollie' has been planning on meeting one of our members...and I think that member actually did go to where they were meant to meet?

But the contacting her family was absolutely disgusting and everytime I see that ****ing stalker post I feel nothing but contempt for him. Which is a shame because I liked him before that.

This I agree with.

[Pete.]

this is so disturbing :(

[Cherie]

And as for Stacey, if she's a nice person now (she seems to be so this isn't me running her down), talk to her offline like you have been for the past two years, she was clearly banned on here for a reason.



As were other people who have had their bans overturned, people can and do change, and I think it is a shame to demonise a 15 year old girl.

[Vicky.]

I know why it's frustrating for members when the rules don't seem to be consistent, but rather than thinking of moderators as people who simply enforce rules, think of it more as like a jury at a trial - each case is different and they have to take into account all of the factors that they know about, and they dish out the punishment according to what they think will be best for the person they're punishing and the rest of the community. Sometimes it's just a slap on the wrist, other times it's a lengthy ban in the hope that they will reform, and other times it's an indefinite or permanent ban if they don't feel that the member will learn their lesson.

Edit: Just like a jury in a trial, they have to go with the majority consensus when they make their decision. You'd be surprised how many decisions in the admin forum get debated extensively before action is taken - and that's me speaking from experiences that were over two years ago; I'm sure it's still the same today.

It is, I dont think there has ever been a unanimous decision made, on anything. We argue between ourselves so much when it comes to punishments and stuff. But there is no way to do it really except for going wih the majority decision (be that 7/1 or 4/3) or admin stepping in and making the decision for us :S

[Drew.]

So for those accusing myself, Leon, David or Andy for contacting her family that finally confirms it wasnt us.

[Vanessa]

[/B]


As were other people who have had their bans overturned, people can and do change, and I think it is a shame to demonise a 15 year old girl.

I agree with that.

[Jordan.]

I wish you would stop, on here and elsewhere, misrepresenting staff decisions, and stop making these half-baked comparisons. As usual you only give half the story.

The comparison you make with the other situation is way off. That was provoked to some extent by someone lying about his identity to the whole forum, using a fake picture, and even, from what has been reported, planning to meet someone. In my opinion those facts mitigate what the other person (I am told) did, as stupid as it was.

What Stacey did was more than just saving pictures posted on the forum as the quoted posts above claim - she had a folder for virtually every active member on the forum, which the forum found out about when she then shared a screenshot with someone else. Not just one or two pictures taken from the Meet the Members thread on this forum, but pictures taken from members' social networking and image account profiles - of people who have never posted pictures on the forum or put a link up to their Facebook or other profiles - and also saved images from group webcam chats. :o

It was a big invasion of privacy. It involved lots of people - even ones have been on the site from way back and never get into dramas or involved in cliques or anything like that.

How can she be unbanned when so many people were creeped out by it? Even people who were active on the forum then but aren't now - what if they returned and saw that she was back posting. What kind of message does that send out?

Some of you don't seem to understand the harm stuff like this can cause to people.

And I don't understand why this should be subject to a forum poll. A lot of people on here now weren't on the forum when she got banned, or wouldn't have been aware of what happened.

The other point people seem to be perpetuating is that members are getting banned for one incident when in fact there has been an accumulation of incidents, and have been causing lots of trouble and never seem to change.

I'll leave this topic open for a little while longer if anyone wants to respond, and then close it again and delete it, as these topics always result in more division and drama being caused.

I'm not disputing what she did wasn't creepy and ban worthy at all because it was. But I'm looking at this now 3 years on and she isn't an immature 15 year old anymore, she isn't going to come back insulting people and saving photos again because she's learnt from her mistake and suffered because of the ban. It seems unfair that many have been given second chances or trial periods to redeem themselves yet this isn't an option for Stacey even after all this time.

[Pete.]

For what its worth, my opinion on the mollie thing is this

The person (I wont name names but I know who it was) who contacted her family should have been permabanned immediately. That is a gross invasion of privacy and not something that should ever be tolerated.

I dont know too much about the rest of it, but I kinda get why the 'investigation' happened, as 'mollie' has been planning on meeting one of our members...and I think that member actually did go to where they were meant to meet?

But the contacting her family was absolutely disgusting and everytime I see that ****ing stalker post I feel nothing but contempt for him. Which is a shame because I liked him before that.

I'm surprised you didn't focus on Jordan thinking that using someone's photo against them was seemingly harmless

[arista]

Posted by James today :

[What Stacey did was more than just saving pictures posted on the forum as the quoted posts above claim - she had a folder for virtually every active member on the forum, which the forum found out about when she then shared a screenshot with someone else. Not just one or two pictures taken from the Meet the Members thread on this forum, but pictures taken from members' social networking and image account profiles - of people who have never posted pictures on the forum or put a link up to their Facebook or other profiles - and also saved images from group webcam chats.

It was a big invasion of privacy. It involved lots of people - even ones have been on the site from way back and never get into dramas or involved in cliques or anything like that.

How can she be unbanned when so many people were creeped out by it? Even people who were active on the forum then but aren't now - what if they returned and saw that she was back posting. What kind of message does that send out?

Some of you don't seem to understand the harm stuff like this can cause to people.]



I say thanks for giving us the truth
"bigger and bigger
than many of us thought."
And keep up the great work you do here.

[Z]

I'm not disputing what she did wasn't creepy and ban worthy at all because it was. But I'm looking at this now 3 years on and she isn't an immature 15 year old anymore, she isn't going to come back insulting people and saving photos again because she's learnt from her mistake and suffered because of the ban. It seems unfair that many have been given second chances or trial periods to redeem themselves yet this isn't an option for Stacey even after all this time.

I think the only people who've ever been permanently banned and been given a second chance were lily, who came back without a fuss, and Thomas C, who spectacularly blew up as most of the forum expected he would. Thomas ruined it for everyone else, essentially, he should never have been allowed back. Comparing Stacey to the circumstances of other people, as I said to you earlier, isn't helping her cause out whatsoever.

[Jake.]

So for those accusing myself, Leon, David or Andy for contacting her family that finally confirms it wasnt us.

It was only a few, I wouldn't worry, I think most actually get what happened

[Pete.]

I'm not disputing what she did wasn't creepy and ban worthy at all because it was. But I'm looking at this now 3 years on and she isn't an immature 15 year old anymore, she isn't going to come back insulting people and saving photos again because she's learnt from her mistake and suffered because of the ban. It seems unfair that many have been given second chances or trial periods to redeem themselves yet this isn't an option for Stacey even after all this time.

No one can be too careful tbh - I don't think she should come back and I agree with this permaban

[Shaun]

can we also just dismiss the lily. thing since it was a completely different warning system then?

[Black Dagger]

So for those accusing myself, Leon, David or Andy for contacting her family that finally confirms it wasnt us.

:dance:

[Pete.]

I say thanks for giving us the truth
"bigger and bigger
than many of us thought."
And keep up the great work you do here.

:thumbs: I agree

[Jordan.]

No one can be too careful tbh - I don't think she should come back and I agree with this permaban

Yeah I'm aware, you don't have to keep chipping in everytime I post.

[Pete.]

Yeah I'm aware, you don't have to keep chipping in everytime I post.

I value your opinion, value my opinions and other member's opinions

[Vicky.]

I'm surprised you didn't focus on Jordan thinking that using someone's photo against them was seemingly harmless

I was giving my opinion on the mollie situation, which is totally unrelated to stacey...

I agree that blackmailing someone with their photos (that you hunted down offsite) is very very wrong. And that it could really upset someone. I mentioned in my last post how creepy it is and stuff :shrug:

[Glenn.]

I was barely around when this went down but I do remember it happening and being disgusted by it. I still am and from what I've seen of her elsewhere online, she's still a nasty piece of work when she wants to be.

If it was a case of just saving pictures from the forum then maybe, but to hunt people's Facebook accounts and save their personal pictures is beyond creepy and she should be kept well away from the forum.

[Pete.]

I was giving my opinion on the mollie situation, which is totally unrelated to stacey...

I agree that blackmailing someone with their photos (that you hunted down offsite) is very very wrong. And that it could really upset someone. I mentioned in my last post how creepy it is and stuff :shrug:

And I agree wholeheartedly

[MeMyselfAndI]

It was only a few, I wouldn't worry, I think most actually get what happened

I hope you don't mean me, I know what happened, all I said is the group was not innocent & I have print screens too proove it, so I don't think you do actually get it

[sassysocks]

I was barely around when this went down but I do remember it happening and being disgusted by it. I still am and from what I've seen of her elsewhere online, she's still a nasty piece of work when she wants to be.

If it was a case of just saving pictures from the forum then maybe, but to hunt people's Facebook accounts and save their personal pictures is beyond creepy and she should be kept well away from the forum.

It is creepy and very sad. I know teenage girls are not usually the nicest of people, shallow and self-obsessed much of the time, but they usually have some degree of social life outside of internet forums to occupy their thoughts -which it appeared Stacey did not.

However, as you say it was beyond creepy and I don't believe people would feel 'secure' if she was here and it would create an unease that would affect things people said and did.

[Kazanne]

I vaguely remember Stacey on here,I got on with her I think,I have spoken to her since and she seems like a nice enough girl.

[Vanessa]

We all make mistakes, but we all deserve a second chance i think. :blush:

[Pete.]

We all make mistakes, but we all deserve a second chance i think. :blush:

she seems creepy and nasty

[Marsh.]

I hope you don't mean me, I know what happened, all I said is the group was not innocent & I have print screens too proove it, so I don't think you do actually get it

You've got print screens?

Do you really take this forum so seriously?

Some people need to really get a grip. You're holding these print screens for what purpose?

[Vanessa]

she seems creepy and nasty

She was 15 at the time though.

[Z]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01386/obama-straw_1386774c.jpg

[Marcus.]

when I had my froum and Stacey was on there she was sweet but hearing that was like wowers

[Pete.]

She was 15 at the time though.

Age means nothing to me she still seems creepy and nasty

[Jake.]

I hope you don't mean me, I know what happened, all I said is the group was not innocent & I have print screens too proove it, so I don't think you do actually get it

I meant the people who wasn't sure on the whole thing, if you are, great. Let me ask you something though, if the whole thing disgusts you so much to the point of blaming them for making 'Mollie' leave, why did you continue to talk to the member who actually carried out the actions? Don't answer if you don't want to and it's not me trying to put you on the spot, generally curious.

[Lee.]

I think this could go on forever.. Either way, I think the mods/admin need to put Scott out his misery, define an indefinite ban and make a decision on his future on the forum.

I do think it's a bit rotten that he's being left not knowing. Permaban him or let him back and all move on :)

[Z]

I was 13 when I joined here and I've never once been banned from the forum in the eight and a half years I've been an active member here for. I knew right from wrong when I was 13 and I still know right from wrong now that I'm 22. Trying to excuse people because of their is nonsense. She might have changed for the better now that she's 18, I wouldn't argue that whatsoever, but retrospectively saying "oh she was only 15" is a heap of ****e, especially coming from people who weren't even members of the forum back then.

[Lee.]

Lol wrong thread

[Cherie]

I was 13 when I joined here and I've never once been banned from the forum in the eight and a half years I've been an active member here for. I knew right from wrong when I was 13 and I still know right from wrong now that I'm 22. Trying to excuse people because of their is nonsense. She might have changed for the better now that she's 18, I wouldn't argue that whatsoever, but retrospectively saying "oh she was only 15" is a heap of ****e, especially coming from people who weren't even members of the forum back then.



Not really because we are all different and we all mature at different times, and at the end of the day no one is perfect, but I take your point I wasn't around and I am going to leave this thread now as it is not really getting anywhere.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I meant the people who wasn't sure on the whole thing, if you are, great. Let me ask you something though, if the whole thing disgusts you so much to the point of blaming them for making 'Mollie' leave, why did you continue to talk to the member who actually carried out the actions? Don't answer if you don't want to and it's not me trying to put you on the spot, generally curious.

I was banned for 6 months from Feb - Aug
I didn't tallk too that member after the Mollie thing, I blocked them on skype for a few months

[Me. I Am Salman]

You've got print screens?

Do you really take this forum so seriously?

Some people need to really get a grip. You're holding these print screens for what purpose?

How is stalking members not a serious issue?

[Jake.]

How is stalking members not a serious issue?

Then do you agree with Stacey's ban being permanent?

[Lee.]

How is stalking members not a serious issue?

I think that's the point if the thread

[Z]

[/B]


Not really because we are all different and we all mature at different times, and at the end of the day no one is perfect, but I take your point I wasn't around and I am going to leave this thread now as it is not really getting anywhere.

She was 15, not 5. She knew what she did was wrong at the time and she still knows it now.

[Josy]

The hypocrisy in these threads is actually unbelievable

[Jessica.]

Ok, this needs to be said before the thread gets deleted

Jessica, you always have to be on the admins/mods side, sometimes a little bit too much, I think you are trying too hard to try and prove something or even get a tibb staff member job. (im not even being rude im just reading so let me continue), I was gonna PM you all of this but the post you just did wasn't really needed and it's a bit of a "haha" to Jordan.

Even when Salman was banned last week you were going on as if you were a tibb staff member and giving your opinions on his ban when nobody asked for it.

That is all

:joker: I was hated by loads of the mods for a really long time and also, I have never disliked James. Some of the mods are pretty great people who aren't afraid to have a laugh and a joke, so if you think I am going to treat them like superiors then you have got the wrong idea.

Salman deserved his ban and it was funny at the time, I don't understand why are you defending him for posting the picture, I don't dislike Salman but he probably knew something would come about posting something like that on the forum. :joker:

[Me. I Am Salman]

I wish you would stop, on here and elsewhere, misrepresenting staff decisions, and stop making these half-baked comparisons. As usual you only give half the story.

The comparison you make with the other situation is way off. That was provoked to some extent by someone lying about his identity to the whole forum, using a fake picture, and even, from what has been reported, planning to meet someone. In my opinion those facts mitigate what the other person (I am told) did, as stupid as it was


Um excuse me, you seem to forget that the person posted a picture of me a few weeks back that I don't have access to anymore (meaning it was saved) and made an edit on it which mocked me. What provoked that when I wasn't even arguing with anyone in that thread? These people are cyber bullies and nothing else.

[bwoty]

Then do you agree with Stacey's ban being permanent?

Clocked lol!

For the record all I know is what I've seen on this thread and I agree that this Stacie girl shouldn't be allowed back if she was keeping a database of members images :nono:

[Amy Jade]

So... You're not allowed too save pictures from MTM
But you are allowed too save pictures from MTM of pictures of members in their school uniform & then research that school uniform, find out what School that member goes too, contact the school about that member & then contact that members cousin's & sibling's.

Oh wait... That doesn't make sense :conf:
Are you serious, that's sick. Whoever did that should be banned.

[Marsh.]

How is stalking members not a serious issue?

Where did I say it wasn't a serious issue? :conf:

I'm pointing out that MM&I is also moving into serious territory by holding print screens of the forum on his computer.

My question is why is he doing this?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Um excuse me, you seem to forget that the person posted picture of me a few weeks back that I don't have access to anymore and mocked me. What provoked that when I wasn't even arguing with anyone in that thread? These people need to be seen for what they are, vile Internet bullies

Salman, you should know that admin know best, even if they use the forum once a month

[Gstar]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/ed573e1216719c5f0a25c171dd284421/tumblr_mgw84mNS2c1r33fqeo3_250.gif

[RichardG]

She was 15 at the time though.

I was 14 when I joined and I've yet to save any pictures to my computer... I get that people mature at different ages and sometimes teenagers don't understand the consequences of the little things that they do but you're old enough at 15 to know that seeking out peoples facebook profiles and keeping folders full of members images is definitely not right.

To be honest, even if she has completely changed and is a totally different person I think the damage has already been done. People who want to keep in touch with her are more than welcome to do so offsite but I don't think it would be the right decision to allow her back on here. I'd say that goes for all permabanned members too. What's the point of having the option to permanently ban someone if we're going to bring them back again a couple of years later??

Equally - before anyone says anything - I think that anyone who invades another forum members privacy in such a way should be banned too. Ultimately we all originally signed up to this website to talk about a silly reality tv show, not to have our private lives exposed without our consent. It's totally unfair to the people involved.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Where did I say it wasn't a serious issue? :conf:

I'm pointing out that MM&I is also moving into serious territory by holding print screens of the forum on his computer.

My question is why is he doing this?

I don't have print screens of the forum, you misread

[Josy]

Are you serious, that's sick. Whoever did that should be banned.

Well what was missing from that post you quoted was that said member was actually pretending for years to someone they aren't, a completely different gender that had arranged to meet up with another forum member and that the photographs in MTM had actually been stolen from the person they were pretending to be all along.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Well what was missing from that post you quoted was that said member was actually pretending for years to someone they aren't, a completely different gender that had arranged to meet up with another forum member and that the photographs in MTM had actually been stolen from the person they were pretending to be all along.

Regardless of the outcome it was still completely wrong, especially a adult too do it too a teenager

[Jake.]

I was banned for 6 months from Feb - Aug
I didn't tallk too that member after the Mollie thing, I blocked them on skype for a few months

I think we've got our wires crossed, I'm not referring to Mike

[Me. I Am Salman]

Then do you agree with Stacey's ban being permanent?

No, because that's not trying to locate a member's personal details by researching their school uniform and contacting their family members, when you're a bunch of 20+ year olds guys and the person in question is a teenage girl

[Josy]

Regardless of the outcome it was still completely wrong, especially a adult too do it too a teenager

You seem to be forgetting that the image that was saved wasn't even of a member of this forum (not that it makes it right) but basically your argument becomes invalid when the member in question had been stealing those same photos for years to post on this forum in the first place.

[Marsh.]

I don't have print screens of the forum, you misread

Maybe not the forum, but "proof" of members doing something. Why would you be holding onto this so long after?

[Jake.]

No, because that's not trying to locate a member's personal details by researching their school uniform and contacting their family members, when you're a bunch of 20+ year olds guys and the person in question is a teenage girl

This isn't a teenage girl. He's a bloke, called Mike. Somebody who thought it would be fine to not only steal anoyher persons identity, but to use it to grow friendships with others, going as far as to allow somebody meet them at a certain point only to cancel out. I'm not arguing that it went too far, but sticking up for Mike is just bizarre imo.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Maybe not the forum, but "proof" of members doing something. Why would you be holding onto this so long after?

Why wouldn't he? You're speaking as if the things they done are normal

[Amy Jade]

Well what was missing from that post you quoted was that said member was actually pretending for years to someone they aren't, a completely different gender that had arranged to meet up with another forum member and that the photographs in MTM had actually been stolen from the person they were pretending to be all along.
Oh you mean Mollie/Mike.

I pretended to be somebody else too, It was a mistake and sometimes we get caught up in mistakes and it just snowballs. I mean I know I never went as far as Mollie did but I pretended to be a stranger because I was unhappy with how I looked, I was lucky those involved accepted me for me in the end.

I still think basically stalking a member to find out where they live and informing their relatives of their online actions is way ott.

[Jordan.]

You seem to be forgetting that the image that was saved wasn't even of a member of this forum (not that it makes it right) but basically your argument becomes invalid when the member in question had been stealing those same photos for years to post on this forum in the first place.

Even though it was wrong of him to steal that girls photos, it was harmless as she had no idea. The way he was exposed was completely out of order and no one has any idea how much damage it might have caused.

[Me. I Am Salman]

This isn't a teenage girl. He's a bloke, called Mike. Somebody who thought it would be fine to not only steal anoyher persons identity, but to use it to grow friendships with others, going as far as to allow somebody meet them at a certain point only to cancel out. I'm not arguing that it went too far, but sticking up for Mike is just bizarre imo.

I keep getting mixed up with Mike/Munchkins, cuz they were stalking munchkins too

[Amy Jade]

I miss Munchkinz.

[Jordan.]

I keep getting mixed up with Mike/Munchkins, cuz they were stalking munchkins too

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Why wouldn't he? You're speaking as if the things they done are normal

How have I normalised anything? Pipe down.

I'm asking why people feel the need to hold onto these pathetic incidents from a long time ago instead of growing up and moving on.

The incident is over, what good is holding onto screenshots going to do? Seriously?

[Drew.]

If it wasn't for Munch then Mollie might still be on here.

[Jake.]

I keep getting mixed up with Mike/Munchkins, cuz they were stalking munchkins too

Oh okay

[Josy]

Oh you mean Mollie/Mike.

I pretended to be somebody else too, It was a mistake and sometimes we get caught up in mistakes and it just snowballs. I mean I know I never went as far as Mollie did but I pretended to be a stranger because I was unhappy with how I looked, I was lucky those involved accepted me for me in the end.

I still think basically stalking a member to find out where they live and informing their relatives of their online actions is way ott.

I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise.

Even though it was wrong of him to steal that girls photos, it was harmless as she had no idea. The way he was exposed was completely out of order and no one has any idea how much damage it might have caused.

It wasn't harmless, not to members on this site that got close to the persona that Mike had invented..

I do agree that the way it was exposed was out of order again I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise?

Anyway...just because both incidents involved photos of members doesn't mean they can be compared, it was completely different scenarios.

[MeMyselfAndI]

If it wasn't for Munch then Mollie might still be on here.

Don't drag her name because you can, she was trying too stop it, and was asking you guys too. All you've done now is prove you were involved.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The hypocrisy in these threads is actually unbelievable

It's not hypocritical at all, a member repeatedly being stalkerish yet be able to continue posting and be loved by the forum (by you for example) and someone who did something ONCE, years ago, when they were young, and nowhere near on the scale of Mollie/Mike, and is ashamed of their actions (she says herself she regrets it) be permabanned and hated on by so many members on this site, is what hypocrisy is

-exhales-

[Jordan.]

Anyway...just because both incidents involved photos of members doesn't mean they can be compared, it was completely different scenarios.

I don't think it was that differen't really. Both saved photos and invaded privacy (one a lot more than the other) yet they got off with no punishment whilst stacey remains permabanned and labelled creepy.

[Marsh.]

It's not hypocritical at all, a member repeatedly being stalkerish yet be able to continue posting and be loved by the forum (by you for example) and someone who did something ONCE, years ago, when they were young, and nowhere near on the scale of Mollie/Mike, who has admitted their actions (she says herself she regrets it) be permabanned and hated on, is what hypocrisy is

-exhales-

No the incident involving Mollie was a one time incident.

It must have took Stacey several "incidents" and some time to build up her "database".

[MeMyselfAndI]

Salman is a cyberbullying victim from some of these these members & their antics, hes allowed his say rih3

[Brother Leon]

:joker:

This thread though.

[Me. I Am Salman]

No the incident involving Mollie was a one time incident.

It must have took Stacey several "incidents" and some time to build up her "database".

Umm no, you clearly don't know what else he's done so stop defending him. He saved pictures of me too and manipulated them and this was just weeks ago

[Drew.]

Don't drag her name because you can, she was trying too stop it, and was asking you guys too. All you've done now is prove you were involved.

the whole SH situation was dealt with privately, she admitted she was wrong and now shes posting regularly and getting on with most members and being herself and she's probably happy about it now. The whole Mollie/Mike thing was private between a few people until you were bought into it by Munch and were on the verge of revealing it to the whole forum before Raph decided to before you lot did. You have fun from being controversial and getting involved in debates/arguments so we wont pretend you probably didnt enjoy the whole thing. If things weren't revealed to you then the outcome could have been a lot better.

[Kyle]

:joker:

This thread though.

Just read it all through. This is one hell of a history lesson.

Are these supposed to be the better days that everyone keeps talking about? :hugesmile:

[Ramsay]

Wow

[Marsh.]

Umm no, you clearly don't know what else he's done so stop defending him. He saved pictures of me too and manipulated them and this was just weeks ago

I'm not defending anyone, I'm pointing out the clear difference between the two incidents.

Whatever's happened with yourself is something different and if it's not out in the open on this forum is not relevant.

How have I normalised anything? Pipe down.

I'm asking why people feel the need to hold onto these pathetic incidents from a long time ago instead of growing up and moving on.

The incident is over, what good is holding onto screenshots going to do? Seriously?

?

[Vicky.]

Does noone see just why the person in question (helped by friends) would want to find out who Mollie actually was, after he spent actual time and money going to meet 'her'?

Would you all be on mollies side over this if it had been underage people 'she' had been luring to meet 'her'? Its ok just because the person in question was 20?

As I said earlier, the contacting family members was disgusting. However, I get why the 'investigation' took place. Completely. Its not like it was just a totally random thing that was decided..the catalyst was 'Mollie' planning on meeting another member, despite not being who she said she was. Thats not to say I agree with all aspects of how they went about finding out she was actually a guy, but when you put the whole thing in context, what they did doesn't seem half as bad. When you make ot they randomly 'stalked' 'her' then of course it sounds awful.

[Vicky.]

Plus, no offence, but I don't particularly like (or dislike) the people involved...so my opinion is not because they are 'friends'

[Jake.]

Exactly Vicky, couldn't have put it better.

[Lee.]

Does noone see just why the person in question (helped by friends) would want to find out who Mollie actually was, after he spent actual time and money going to met 'her'?

Would you all be on mollies side over this if it had been underage people 'she' had been luring to meet 'her'? Its ok just because the person in question was 20?

As I said earlier, the contacting family members was disgusting. However, I get why the 'investigation' took place. Completely. Its not like it was just a totally random thing that was decided..the catalyst was 'Mollie' planning on meeting another member, despite not being who she said she was. Thats not to say I agree with all aspects of how they went about finding out she was actually a guy, but when you put the whole thing in context, what they did doesn't seem half as bad. When you make ot they randomly 'staled' 'her' then of course it sounds awful.

Yes I agree.. It was reactionary.

Very different to the Stacey situation.

[MeMyselfAndI]

the whole SH situation was dealt with privately, she admitted she was wrong and now shes posting regularly and getting on with most members and being herself and she's probably happy about it now. The whole Mollie/Mike thing was private between a few people until you were bought into it by Munch and were on the verge of revealing it to the whole forum before Raph decided to before you lot did. You have fun from being controversial and getting involved in debates/arguments so we wont pretend you probably didnt enjoy the whole thing. If things weren't revealed to you then the outcome could have been a lot better.

shut up, I did not make it worse, I asked him too stop repeatedly

[Brother Leon]

the whole SH situation was dealt with privately, she admitted she was wrong and now shes posting regularly and getting on with most members and being herself and she's probably happy about it now. The whole Mollie/Mike thing was private between a few people until you were bought into it by Munch and were on the verge of revealing it to the whole forum before Raph decided to before you lot did. You have fun from being controversial and getting involved in debates/arguments so we wont pretend you probably didnt enjoy the whole thing. If things weren't revealed to you then the outcome could have been a lot better.

Why you even wasting your time? :laugh:

I was enjoying their posts tbh.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I was banned for 6 months, how could I reveal it too the forum? You clearly like too bull**** :elephant:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Does noone see just why the person in question (helped by friends) would want to find out who Mollie actually was, after he spent actual time and money going to meet 'her'?

Would you all be on mollies side over this if it had been underage people 'she' had been luring to meet 'her'? Its ok just because the person in question was 20?

As I said earlier, the contacting family members was disgusting. However, I get why the 'investigation' took place. Completely. Its not like it was just a totally random thing that was decided..the catalyst was 'Mollie' planning on meeting another member, despite not being who she said she was. Thats not to say I agree with all aspects of how they went about finding out she was actually a guy, but when you put the whole thing in context, what they did doesn't seem half as bad. When you make ot they randomly 'stalked' 'her' then of course it sounds awful.

They've repeatedly offended, there was no excuse for that so I hold on to my judgement that the person is a creep who should have been banned

[Jordan.]

lmao I can't at people thinking it's acceptable for members to invade others private life as long as theirs a reason to do so.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Why you even wasting your time? :laugh:

I was enjoying their posts tbh.

You would wouldn't you, you know everything about it considering you were part of the catfish team (and I've seen the screenshot so don't go denying)

[Jake.]

lmao I can't at people thinking it's acceptable for members to invade others private life as long as theirs a reason to do so.

Is saving somebodies pictures from FB not invading their privacy then?

[Z]

lmao I can't at people thinking it's acceptable for members to invade others private life as long as theirs a reason to do so.

So was it not okay for Stacey to out MeMyselfandI's fake personality?

[Vicky.]

I dont think its 'acceptable' so to speak. I just understand why it happened and disagree with those who feel the need to make out that 'mollie' was just an innocent bystander in the whole thing.

[Jordan.]

Is saving somebodies pictures from FB not invading their privacy then?

Yes, I've already admitted what Stacey did was wrong. She's been punished for it where as these lot haven't.

[Marsh.]

lmao I can't at people thinking it's acceptable for members to invade others private life as long as theirs a reason to do so.

As opposed to having no reason at all?

Lmao. I can't at people thinking someone has changed after 3 years when evidence on another forum suggest they're still the same vile person they always were.