Louis betrayed me, Gary hated me

[alex_front2]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2524997/X-Factor-loser-Nicholas-McDonald-hits-judges-I-felt-betrayed-Louis-Gary-liked-me.html



Poor Nicky blue eyes, realising so called mentor Loius didn't really back him the truth dawn on him far far too late.

[Niamh.]

oh **** off Nicholas, you came second you should be glad of that. It was alot more than what he deserved imo. Does he really think he was better than Sam? If anyone should be bitter about Louis it should have been Luke, it was clear that Nicholas was Louis main priority in his group

[Pete.]

Louis did say in the final to Sam with effect that 'I hope you win. That will be Christmas No.1.' As for Gary, he did not hate him but was probably annoyed that he would be there in he final 2 when her were more deserving people

[Pete.]

Sore loser alert

[Saph]

Nicholas didn't even deserve to be in the live shows so he can ****

have fun with your rushed mothers day album

http://media.tumblr.com/b63ddc225edcac8a5d8e63e5cdf9039a/tumblr_inline_mw2qverewh1qe8p9y.gif

[Vanessa]

:joker: He came second and he's still not happy?

[smudgie]

Silly boy.

Gary obviously thought he was not worthy of a standing ovation.

Really pleased Sam won over him.:dance:

[zakman440]

Meh, don't really care.

[Vanessa]

Sore loser alert

:joker:

[alex_front2]

:joker: He came second and he's still not happy?
Coming third is better than coming 2.

I'd rather be in luke shoes than nicholas. Nicholas will be imortalised as the "loser" in Sam's winners video, thr bit they show dermot saying "and the winner of XF is...." cue tense silence "sam bailey!" Cue ticker tape and sam pretending to look shocked.

[Black Dagger]

He got further in the show than he should have anyway, silly boring Scottish dick.

Stay mad when they don't offer your boring ass a record deal either and you end up working at Marks & Spencer's or st. knob.

[Samm]

Nicholas trying to get money selling false story's to get some money,his mum probably forced him to do it

[alex_front2]

Wow, I was expecting alot more sympathy from you for poor nicholas.

[Vanessa]

Coming third is better than coming 2.

I'd rather be in luke shoes than nicholas. Nicholas will be imortalised as the "loser" in Sam's winners video, thr bit they show dermot saying "and the winner of XF is...." cue tense silence "sam bailey!" Cue ticker tape and sam pretending to look shocked.

The vote between them was so close. I was expecting a massive gap. :shocked:

[alex_front2]

The gap was close because Nicholas fan base was huge but defined ie Scottish and grans whereas Luke got more casual voters who may have tuned in for final. If Sam B had been factored out of equation, luke could have won, but glad he didn't as he has more control.

It's funny reading comments in DM, people saying luke should have been in sunday grand final.

[Vanessa]

The gap was close because Nicholas fan base was huge but defined ie Scottish and grans whereas Luke got more casual voters who may have tuned in for final. If Sam B had been factored out of equation, luke could have won, but glad he didn't as he has more control.

It's funny reading comments in DM, people saying luke should have been in sunday grand final.

I'm glad he wasn't now. He would have got so much the from the press. :joker:

[Kazanne]

I don't pay much credence to The Daily Fail tbh,come to think of it most of the tabloids print crap.

[alex_front2]

Gary clearly never liked Nick but couldn't slate him for first month as he was singing in tune , just blandly. However once tptp gave him trickier songs and sabotaged production, Gary was able to stick boot in.

[Vanessa]

oh **** off Nicholas, you came second you should be glad of that. It was alot more than what he deserved imo. Does he really think he was better than Sam? If anyone should be bitter about Louis it should have been Luke, it was clear that Nicholas was Louis main priority in his group

This! And yet Luke remains polite and grateful to Louis and the show. Disappointed in Nicholas. :nono:

[Cherie]

Do these people ever learn? slate the show/judges and say bye bye to being signed.... I hate it when people are ungracious, Gary has given him some great comments over the series and all he can focus on is Gary not giving him an ovation, he needs to rein in his ego.

[Vanessa]

Do these people ever learn? slate the show/judges and say bye bye to being signed.... I hate it when people are ungracious, Gary has given him some great comments over the series and all he can focus on is Gary not giving him an ovation, he needs to rein in his ego.

I agree. Nicholas got to second place. You'd think he'd be chuffed, not bitter. :conf:

[arista]

:joker: He came second and he's still not happy?

Luke would have been a better 2nd

[Vanessa]

Luke would have been a better 2nd

I agree, but now he's not saddled with the loser tag. Nicholas is. :laugh:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12_03/nick_302x322.jpg

[alex_front2]

That's why it's better to come 3rd. You can accept there were 2 acts with more votes, you get attention on Xtra Factor, not much sabotaging as production know you're no threat, people saying "X ie Luke should have been in Sundays grand- final" whereas 2nd place ie Nicholas gets less attention it's all about sam and winning, sabotaging, loser appearance in winners video, people saying "lucky to be in final".

Nicholas is quite bitter whereas Luke isn't.

[Vanessa]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12_03/nick_302x322.jpg

His ego is way out of control i think. If he wants to be successful this is not the way to go.

[alex_front2]

Looks like I am the only one loving this feisty new Nicholas.:hugesmile:

still Nicholas ire should be on Scottish vote who were voting for Andy Murray at SPOTY.

[Vanessa]

Looks like I am the only one loving this feisty new Nicholas.:hugesmile:

If he wants to get signed this is not the way to go. :joker:

[Jordan.]

Gary was wrong for not standing for him in the final but he can't really complain about the negative feedback he as was getting, that's what the judges are there for.

Also I agree Louis would be a terrible mentor he's so fake and probably cared more about himself winning.

[Pete.]

This! And yet Luke remains polite and grateful to Louis and the show. Disappointed in Nicholas. :nono:

That's because Luke will have a successful career probably

[Vanessa]

Gary was wrong for not standing for him in the final but he can't really complain about the negative feedback he as was getting, that's what the judges are there for.

Also I agree Louis would be a terrible mentor he's so fake and probably cared more about himself winning.

Gary never stood up for Luke as well, but he's not crying about it.

[Niamh.]

Gary was wrong for not standing for him in the final but he can't really complain about the negative feedback he as was getting, that's what the judges are there for.

Also I agree Louis would be a terrible mentor he's so fake and probably cared more about himself winning.

Why? A standing ovation should be deserved and Gary obviously didn't feel Nicholas deserved it

[alex_front2]

If he wants to get signed this is not the way to go. :joker:

It did not do Steve Brookstein* any harm. Oh :hugesmile:


* if you don't know who SB is ask your nan (/ any Sam B fan) :joker:

[Vanessa]

That's because Luke will have a successful career probably

He deserves it for being so nice and gracious. He's not the type to slag off anyone. He's just passionate about music. :)

[Vanessa]

It did not do Steve Brookstein* any harm. Oh :hugesmile:


* if you don't know who SB is ask your nan (/ any Sam B fan) :joker:

:laugh:

[Vanessa]

Why? A standing ovation should be deserved and Gary obviously didn't feel Nicholas deserved it

They don't have to stand p if they don't want to.

[alex_front2]

Also I agree Louis would be a terrible mentor he's so fake and probably cared more about himself winning.

That's what I love and hate about Louis. His insincerity, disloyalty and duplicity. He is really blatant about being self serving (imo worst than being selfish). He dropped Nicholas after he lost like a jar of cold sick (thanks bea bb10).

[Pete.]

It did not do Steve Brookstein* any harm. Oh :hugesmile:


* if you don't know who SB is ask your nan (/ any Sam B fan) :joker:

Steve B is pure ****. Did you hear of the gig he did in Costa once and only like 2 grannies came but only to have a coffee :spin: He blamed it on bad promotion. I'll try to find the link

[Vanessa]

That's what I love and hate about Louis. His insincerity, disloyalty and duplicity. He is really blatant about being self serving (imo worst than being selfish). He dropped Nicholas after he lost like a jar of cold sick (thanks bea bb10).

:joker: He's been singing Luke praises ever since!

[Vanessa]

Steve B is pure ****. Did you hear of the gig he did in Costa once and only like 2 grannies came but only to have a coffee :spin: He blamed it on bad promotion. I'll try to find the link

I prefer Matt Cardle. He's actually quite good, but he pissed off the show. :hugesmile:

[Jordan.]

Why? A standing ovation should be deserved and Gary obviously didn't feel Nicholas deserved it

Out of respect, it was his last ever song on the show there was no need to be rude.

[Niamh.]

I prefer Matt Cardle. He's actually quite good, but he pissed off the show. :hugesmile:

Because he left Simons label to do things his own way

[Niamh.]

Out of respect, it was his last ever song on the show there was no need to be rude.

A standing ovation should mean you thought the persons performance was outstanding

[Jordan.]

A standing ovation should mean you thought the persons performance was outstanding

In that case no one should have stood up for either of his guest performances on the show but they still did.

[Niamh.]

In that case no one should have stood up for either of his guest performances on the show but they still did.

That always annoys me now you mention it, a standing ovation for Miley Cyrus performance? Really? :joker:

[Vanessa]

Because he left Simons label to do things his own way

He's doing quite well now. I'm pleased for him.

[Vanessa]

Have you guys seen these? Ouch! :eek:

https://twitter.com/danwootton/status/412928771512369152

https://twitter.com/danwootton/status/412928552401514498

[Black Dagger]

That is a bitch rich coming from Dan Woootton, he is the queen of toxic.

[Vanessa]

That is a bitch rich coming from Dan Woootton, he is the queen of toxic.

:joker:

[Niamh.]

who even is Dan what's his name?

[Black Dagger]

who even is Dan what's his name?

The Sun journalist. So that says it all.

He's a top grade bellend. If he dislikes Louis, then he's probably a top guy.

[Jordan.]

Have you guys seen these? Ouch! :eek:

https://twitter.com/danwootton/status/412928771512369152

https://twitter.com/danwootton/status/412928552401514498

Urgh I hate him but these tweets are true http://a.mod-site.net/s/appl.gif

[Vanessa]

who even is Dan what's his name?

From The Sun. :hugesmile:

[Vanessa]

Gary is complaining about Nick's song

On Xtra Factor tonight Gary told Louis that Candy was a horrible song choice for Nicholas. Didn't he write that song? :joker:

[Niamh.]

Gary is complaining about Nick's song

On Xtra Factor tonight Gary told Louis that Candy was a horrible song choice for Nicholas. Didn't he write that song? :joker:

he probably just meant that it was a poor choice for Nicholas and that he couldn't do it justice :joker:

[alex_front2]

We all love it when "the gays" become mega queeny and get into a bitch fight. My money is on Dan. You go girl.

[Vanessa]

he probably just meant that it was a poor choice for Nicholas and that he couldn't do it justice :joker:

I quite liked it actually, but needed more oomph. Nick is not good uptempo. :hugesmile:

[alex_front2]

But im sure there is more up tempo stuff in charts now than 5, 10 years ago. Which is why everyone goes crazy for rare ballads from adele and emili sande.

[Vanessa]

But im sure there is more up tempo stuff in charts now than 5, 10 years ago. Which is why everyone goes crazy for rare ballads from adele and emili sande.

Depends who sings the ballads. Nick sends me right to sleep.:laugh:

[alex_front2]

Ballads generally work imo now if the singer isn't a typical ballad singer eg Eminem has done of the best (rap) ballads. Wrecking Ball would have been a mega flop if someone obvious like Celine Deon or Sam B sang it, but Miley with her twerking scandal, nudity and carefully contived pseudo controversity stopped it from being s slushy dirge.

In the 1980s the best song writers would lend their songs to big name established divas like cher, celine and tina turner. Now they give their best to younger chateuse like ella eyre, rihanna, miley, iggy azealia etc. Sharon and Gary are deluded if they think sia will want to give her songs to a Sam or Nicholas.

[Niamh.]

I quite liked it actually, but needed more oomph. Nick is not good uptempo. :hugesmile:

the problem is Nick has no charisma which you really need for a song like that, he's no Robbie Williams. Robbie doesn't have a great voice but he's got so much personality he can pull it off

[Vanessa]

the problem is Nick has no charisma which you really need for a song like that, he's no Robbie Williams. Robbie doesn't have a great voice but he's got so much personality he can pull it off

True. I was hoping Nick would pull it off, but he fell short.

[alex_front2]

the problem is Nick has no charisma which you really need for a song like that, he's no Robbie Williams. Robbie doesn't have a great voice but he's got so much personality he can pull it off

that's the big problem with nick AND Sam , they are competant singers - in a West End way - but yes you need charisma for Candy, a good voice is not enough. Ithink Gary could have been bitchier but spared Nicholas' feelings imo

[Vanessa]

Apparently Sam Bailey only sold 45K of Skyscraper this week. Geez. Sales are low this year! :eek:

[Marcus.]

he need to be happy he placed at all

[Marcus.]

Apparently Sam Bailey only sold 45K of Skyscraper this week. Geez. Sales are low this year! :eek:

ouch
that bad

[Vanessa]

he need to be happy he placed at all

That is so true, Marcus! :joker::joker::joker:

[Shaun]

Apparently Sam Bailey only sold 45K of Skyscraper this week. Geez. Sales are low this year! :eek:

a day and a half =/= a week

[alex_front2]

Nooo. Sam would have sold more she got 1m votes :conf:

[Vanessa]

I know. I think it reflect the low viewing figures we've had this year. The show is in rapid decline.

[Vanessa]

Nooo. Sam would have sold more she got 1m votes :conf:

Most people who vote don't buy the records. Look at Leon Jackson.

From Buzzjacks : Tuesday mid sales of X-Factor winners singles:

<36,600* Leon Jackson 'When You Believe' :joker:
45,000 Sam Bailey 'Skyscraper'
68,000 Little Mix 'Cannonball
77,000 Joe McElderry 'The Climb'
88,000 Leona Lewis 'A Moment Like This'
112,000 Matt Cardle 'When We Collide'
149,546 Alexandra Burke 'Hallelujah'
187,000 James Arthur 'Impossible'

[Me. I Am Salman]

In that case no one should have stood up for either of his guest performances on the show but they still did.

they're not here to critique the guests Gary did nothing wrong. I'd rather the judges stay true to themselves

[Marcus.]

Most people who vote don't buy the records. Look at Leon Jackson.

From Buzzjacks : Tuesday mid sales of X-Factor winners singles:

<36,600* Leon Jackson 'When You Believe' :joker:
45,000 Sam Bailey 'Skyscraper'
68,000 Little Mix 'Cannonball
77,000 Joe McElderry 'The Climb'
88,000 Leona Lewis 'A Moment Like This'
112,000 Matt Cardle 'When We Collide'
149,546 Alexandra Burke 'Hallelujah'
187,000 James Arthur 'Impossible'

did not like his one
i heard same differnce one :love:

[Me. I Am Salman]

All the winners' singles except for Leona/Shayne/Alexandra suck

[Vanessa]

All the winners' singles except for Leona/Shayne/Alexandra suck

I like James Arthur.

[Niamh.]

that's the big problem with nick AND Sam , they are competant singers - in a West End way - but yes you need charisma for Candy, a good voice is not enough. Ithink Gary could have been bitchier but spared Nicholas' feelings imo

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

[Me. I Am Salman]

I like James Arthur.

okay

[Jordan.]

they're not here to critique the guests Gary did nothing wrong. I'd rather the judges stay true to themselves

please be quiet, he stayed sat down on purpose cause he's a twat

[Vanessa]

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

Likewise. I like indie/rock.

[Niamh.]

Likewise. I like indie/rock.

Same :love:

[Z]

Dunno if it's because I didn't watch the show so I'm not sucked in by the pantomime this year or if I just see things differently to most of the responses in this thread, but I think it's completely fair enough to be annoyed that your mentor was openly supporting your rival in the final and that a supposed impartial judge was still criticising you for absolutely no reason in the final - Gary was criticising him for... not singing a ballad? How is that even a criticism? Why would you say that? Because you're trying to sabotage the guy to ensure he doesn't win. Perfectly fair enough for him and his mum to be annoyed at the behaviour of the judges - you also had Nicole Scherzinger duetting with the eventual winner, Sharon Osbourne's act. All four judges wanted Sam to win, the production team were doing their absolute best to ensure nobody else won. As always, another fix-within-the-rules result.

[Niamh.]

Dunno if it's because I didn't watch the show so I'm not sucked in by the pantomime this year or if I just see things differently to most of the responses in this thread, but I think it's completely fair enough to be annoyed that your mentor was openly supporting your rival in the final and that a supposed impartial judge was still criticising you for absolutely no reason in the final - Gary was criticising him for... not singing a ballad? How is that even a criticism? Why would you say that? Because you're trying to sabotage the guy to ensure he doesn't win. Perfectly fair enough for him and his mum to be annoyed at the behaviour of the judges - you also had Nicole Scherzinger duetting with the eventual winner, Sharon Osbourne's act. All four judges wanted Sam to win, the production team were doing their absolute best to ensure nobody else won. As always, another fix-within-the-rules result.

I guess when you put it like that you have a point although it isn't good really for him to vocalize it if he's hoping for any kind of a career out of this........the fact I think he's s**t and didn't deserve to be in the final probably is clouding my judgments, I'll admit

[Z]

Also it's well documented that Louis Walsh is a crap mentor in the music industry. If you want to succeed under Louis Walsh then you'd better be Irish, male and do everything to his standards and expectations. The list of people who have been dropped by Louis Walsh for not meeting his standards is ridiculous - he completely abandoned Girls Aloud after Popstars: The Rivals and they had to manage themselves completely in the beginning - they didn't become the smash success that they became because of him - he just took their profits and did nothing for them. He completely soured towards Ronan Keating when he stopped playing ball. The guy's a nasty piece of work.

[Me. I Am Salman]

please be quiet, he stayed sat down on purpose cause he's a twat

No it's because he was terrible, I would have done the same
Stop stanning Nicky

[Jordan.]

You would because you're rude like Gary

[Apple202]

no one cares

[hannah2013]

I totally agree with everything Nicholas said they were treating that final like there was only one act in it but there wasnt. Nicholas isnt bitter by not winning he is just stating the truth and is very glas he came 2nd.

[Vanessa]

I totally agree with everything Nicholas said they were treating that final like there was only one act in it but there wasnt. Nicholas isnt bitter by not winning he is just stating the truth and is very glas he came 2nd.

His voice is ok, but i don't like his attitude. Louis has done the same thing to Luke before, but he's not crying about it. :nono:

[Mystic Mock]

It did not do Steve Brookstein* any harm. Oh :hugesmile:


* if you don't know who SB is ask your nan (/ any Sam B fan) :joker:

Sam B will flop just as hard as Steve Brookstein lol.

And Nicholas while he owned Sam B in the final (which doesn't seem to be that hard) he also shouldn't have been anywhere near the final two either.

It has to be the worst final two in TXF history and we've had some bad final two's in the past.

[Vanessa]

Sam B will flop just as hard as Steve Brookstein lol.

And Nicholas while he owned Sam B in the final (which doesn't seem to be that hard) he also shouldn't have been anywhere near the final two either.

It has to be the worst final two in TXF history and we've had some bad final two's in the past.

Her winner single is flopping already. Not surprised, it was the wrong song for her. Who even thought it was a good idea? :conf:

[Mystic Mock]

Her winner single is flopping already. Not surprised, it was the wrong song for her. Who even thought it was a good idea? :conf:

Probably Louis Walsh.:joker:

[Vanessa]

Probably Louis Walsh.:joker:

It's a Demi Lovato song. Not really suited for a 35 year old. It's a song that references bullying, self harming and depression. Not exactly cheery stuff. :suspect:

[Z]

mm true enough, I like Sam and she has a great voice but I would never ever by an album of hers or choose to listen to that sort of thing

This is the problem with the X Factor in a nutshell. It is a Saturday night entertainment show. People watch it for the camp performances, the judges and their comments, the weekly guests performing their new songs, the results show which usually stirs up a reaction on a weekly basis with some kind of shock result (someone going home/someone getting through)...

The X Factor also wants to be a talent search for the next big star who will sell lots of records, be a celebrity and sell lots of merchandise. They like to talk the talk (various bootcamps and auditions and jumping through hoops in order to get on the live shows) and then it all falls apart because the show is a glorified Butlins show broadcast to the nation. As a result of this total clash in interests, sometimes we have a series where there are some bona fide stars ready to be launched to the UK public - they aren't often the winners but sometimes they are (Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke, Little Mix) - usually though they're one of the runners up (Olly Murs, One Direction, JLS, Cher Lloyd) and sometimes it produces acts who are somewhat credible, if not particularly successful (Matt Cardle, Rebecca Ferguson, perhaps James Arthur if he stops being a twat)... but these acts go through the same machine as the token joke entry (Jedward, Wagner, Chico etc) and rub shoulders with stage school no hopers (Joe McElderry, Rhydian, Ray Quinn) who might be flawless performers with many great attributes under their belt but absolutely no hope of selling records whatsoever.

That is the great problem with the X Factor. The show itself doesn't know what it wants to be, so the acts it produces every year vary wildly from proper, raring to go popstars to great karaoke singers. Sam Bailey, bless her, is a great karaoke singer. How are you supposed to market her to the public? Who is going to buy a Sam Bailey single or album, what is her sound going to be, what are her performances going to be like? How will she cope with the music industry? She's a great singer but is she an artist or capable of being one? I don't think she is, personally.

[Niamh.]

Great post Greg and I agree completely. For me personally Luke is probably the only one this year who I'd potentially listen to or buy............obviously depending on what kind of material he releases but just by going on what he did on the X Factor I like his voice and the style of music he's leaning towards

[Vanessa]

Great post Greg and I agree completely. For me personally Luke is probably the only one this year who I'd potentially listen to or buy............obviously depending on what kind of material he releases but just by going on what he did on the X Factor I like his voice and the style of music he's leaning towards

He has an EP on itunes. It's really good. You can also listen to it on youtube. I love his style so much! :love:

[sassysocks]

Gary clearly never liked Nick but couldn't slate him for first month as he was singing in tune , just blandly. However once tptp gave him trickier songs and sabotaged production, Gary was able to stick boot in.

You do talk paranoid bull. Gary was quite supportive of Nicholas, when deserved -but critical when not - that is what a good judge is supposed to do. He was one of the few 'real' juges on the panel - hat off to him.

[Mystic Mock]

It's a Demi Lovato song. Not really suited for a 35 year old. It's a song that references bullying, self harming and depression. Not exactly cheery stuff. :suspect:

Plus the song is irritating.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

You do talk paranoid bull. Gary was quite supportive of Nicholas, when deserved -but critical when not - that is what a good judge is supposed to do. He was one of the few 'real' juges on the panel - hat off to him.

If Gary was so "real" then how come he never criticized Sam Bailey for shouting in the final when only a couple of years ago he attacked Amelia for shouting in the sing-off when she clearly didn't?

[sassysocks]

please be quiet, he stayed sat down on purpose cause he's a twat

I'm sure Gary has a greater understanding of sticks, stones and twats. I bow to his superior knowledge.

[alex_front2]

If I had been a contestant like Nick and felt that Gary had harshly critiqued me, when Dermot asks if I have response to the criticism, I'd calmly remind everyone - especially Gary - that Mr Barlow was the guy who brought us Frankie Cocozza and said straight faced without a flicker of irony on live show 2 "Frankie, you've got a great voice". Sit back and watch the Barlow squirm.