A smile... then a kiss of the Koran: Lee Rigby attackers found guilty of murder

[Pete.]

Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale found guilty in 90 minutes
However the killers were cleared of attempted murder of police on May 22
Adebolajo kissed the Koran and smiled as verdicts were read to Old Bailey
Extremists had denied murder on the basis they were 'soldiers of Allah'
Lee Rigby's family say afterwards that justice has been done after trial
'No one should have to go through what we have been through as a family'
His mother Lyn said: 'Their aim was to divide, to cause conflict, to set people against each other. Lee's death has actually united people'
PM: 'The nation must confront poisonous narrative of extremism'
MI5 had contact with Adebolajo from 2010 up until he carried out killing
His brother Jeremiah says Lee Rigby's murder had 'obvious' justification


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525313/Muslim-converts-guilty-murdering-Private-Lee-Rigby.html#ixzz2nwi9JQPi
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#RotInHell

[arista]

I hope they are killed in Prison.

Yes we are at War in other nations
but they gave him in a London Street no chance to Fight back
cowards

[Me. I Am Salman]

the delusion @ them thinking what they're doing is Islamic

[arista]

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[arista]

the delusion @ them thinking what they're doing is Islamic

thats because they went to Africa
and got more teachings

[fingers]

In an Islamic country they might face public beheading for murder, here they will get so-called "LIFE", guaranteeing them freedom sooner or later.

[thesheriff443]

In an Islamic country they might face public beheading for murder, here the will get so-called "LIFE" guaranteeing them freedom sooner or later.

trust me, these men will never see freedom again, when you attack the fundemental fabric of this country, it will be written in stone, that they are never released.

[fingers]

Let's hope the judge is enlightened enough to pass a sentence encompassing their natural life span so that they get at least another 50 years to reflect on their "Glorious Soldiers of Allah" act of cowardice.

[arista]

In an Islamic country they might face public beheading for murder, here the will get so-called "LIFE" guaranteeing them freedom sooner or later.


You assume that they will not be killed in
our prisons

[Jesus.]

When you believe god is on your side, then everything is permissible.

[fingers]

When you believe god is on your side, then everything is permissible.

Exactly, the Nazis even used the slogan, Gott mit uns!

[thesheriff443]

You assume that they will not be killed in
our prisons

of course they wont be killed in prison, the same as members of the ira, who killed women and chilldren where not killed in prison.

[fingers]

You assume that they will not be killed in
our prisons

We can but hope that their life will be such a living hell in prison that they have to live in Solitary Confinement for the next 50 years or so.

[arista]

of course they wont be killed in prison, the same as members of the ira, who killed women and chilldren where not killed in prison.

These 2 are worse than the IRA.

[thesheriff443]

These 2 are worse than the IRA.

no, they are the same cold blooded killers.

[arista]

We can but hope that their life will be such a living hell in prison that they have to live in Solitary Confinement for the next 50 years or so.


I am sure someone will get to them

[Jesus.]

These 2 are worse than the IRA.

They aren't. Besides, a terrorist dick measuring contest is perhaps not the way forward.

[arista]

When you believe god is on your side, then everything is permissible.


There is No God

[Jesus.]

There is No God

People still believe it.

[arista]

People still believe it.


Yes and their god told them they are at War in the UK.


Eye for a Eye
the Evil Punk stated at the time they killed Lee.

and later
"by the Power of Allah"


Ch4News now

[Jesus.]

Yes and their god told them they are at War in the UK.


Eye for a Eye
the Evil Punk stated at the time they killed Lee.

and later
"by the Power of Allah"


Ch4News now

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[Z]

Horrific crime. No word on the length of the sentence?

[arista]

Michael Adebolajo was well Educated
he changed to Islam after Uni.

The Islamic Leader in London that guided him
left the UK Fast (he is on ch4news now - recorded in the middle east)

He still teaches in the UK via the Web.


MI5 - do something for feck sake

[fingers]

Horrific crime. No word on the length of the sentence?

Not until January.

[arista]

Horrific crime. No word on the length of the sentence?


Yes but his Islamic Teacher now free in Libya
just held up his little tot son
and said he would be proud if his son did the same as
Michael Adebolajo on Ch4News Live


so more to come

[fingers]

Shurely that's Channel4HDNews, lol?

[arista]

Shurely that's Channel4HDNews, lol?


Yes I spoke to ch4 about why are they the only news not in HD yet
they said soon

[Z]

Not until January.

:( hope it's severe...

[Jesus.]

Yes I spoke to ch4 about why are they the only news not in HD yet
they said soon

Customer relations guy on the C4 helpdesk:

CRG: Boss, boss - it's him again, he's called again.
Boss: About HD?
CRG: Yeah, this is about the 30th time this week. I've got to tell him something.
Boss: Yeah, you're right. Tell him soon.

[fingers]

Customer relations guy on the C4 helpdesk:

CRG: Boss, boss - it's him again, he's called again.
Boss: About HD?
CRG: Yeah, this is about the 30th time this week. I've got to tell him something.
Boss: Yeah, you're right. Tell him soon.

Oh, My, now who could the caller have been? :devil:

[arista]

Customer relations guy on the C4 helpdesk:

CRG: Boss, boss - it's him again, he's called again.
Boss: About HD?
CRG: Yeah, this is about the 30th time this week. I've got to tell him something.
Boss: Yeah, you're right. Tell him soon.


I was sent on a goose chase first
as ITN make the Ch4News
and ITV News is HD now.

I did not speak to Customer Relations
I spoke to the Editor at that time.
He said soon.

[arista]

Now lets get Back on Topic.

That Islamic teacher should be shot
he is in Libya

- MI6 do your job.

[Z]

Now lets get Back on Topic.

That Islamic teacher should be shot
he is in Libya

- MI6 do your job.

That would be wrong. What would even be the point? Plenty of people preach messages that other people around the world wouldn't agree with - what is one person's gospel is another person's perception of hate speech.

[arista]

That would be wrong. What would even be the point? Plenty of people preach messages that other people around the world wouldn't agree with - what is one person's gospel is another person's perception of hate speech.



You are wrong


Every Day he converts on the web
more British Muslims to Follow what those 2 punks did.

Ref: Ch4News

[King Gizzard]

Regardless of their sentence if they never show a hint of remorse or anything of that nature they'll never get out, government won't let them because obviously they'd be a massive risk to safety

[joeysteele]

I hope the sentence is life and to mean whole life too. I find this whole case and them truly sickening and beyond anything of any human decency.
People like these 2 should never be free on any streets ever again.

I am sure the hour it took the jury to decide the guilty verdicts can only be because they were considering the charge as to the police officer, there was not a single doubt in my mind as to what the verdict should be for their barbaric and uncivilised murder of Lee Rigby.
Truly rotten and in this case rightly evil people, it is the only word to describe them.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

no, they are the same cold blooded killers.

This, and I hope these two guys have piss in their food & drink, and I hope that they get the **** beaten out of them for the rest of their lives, and a bit of rape as well for the cowardice and brutal murder of a Soldier who was defenseless at the time of his murder.

[joeysteele]

This, and I hope these two guys have piss in their food & drink, and I hope that they get the **** beaten out of them for the rest of their lives, and a bit of rape as well for the cowardice and brutal murder of a Soldier who was defenseless at the time of his murder.

I think you have read my thoughts Mock.

[Jesus.]

If you want people to leave behind extremism, then we need to treat people better than that. A prison sentence isn't a contract of torture, and it's pretty appalling to use it as such.

We should try and set an example, not play them at their own game.

[Nedusa]

I do not think they will ever set foot out of prison again, which is for the best as they would be lynched almost immediately were they to be spotted in public.

They will do well to stay alive in prison as any ex soldiers serving time in the same prison would have it in for them...

[thesheriff443]

If you want people to leave behind extremism, then we need to treat people better than that. A prison sentence isn't a contract of torture, and it's pretty appalling to use it as such.

We should try and set an example, not play them at their own game.

its politics at the end of the day, they deserve to die, but we have to be seen as doing the right thing.
they wont be hurt, they will be used as a symbol of our justice system

[Jesus.]

its politics at the end of the day, they deserve to die, but we have to be seen as doing the right thing.
they wont be hurt, they will be used as a symbol of our justice system

We shouldn't be seen to be doing the right thing, we should just do the right thing, and that isn't state sponsored murder of anyone, regardless of crimes.

[Livia]

If you want people to leave behind extremism, then we need to treat people better than that. A prison sentence isn't a contract of torture, and it's pretty appalling to use it as such.

We should try and set an example, not play them at their own game.

Oh boo freakin' hoo... These people are treated with kid gloves by the system in this country as it is. They'll be segregated, have access to books and medicine, they'll be warm and well fed according to their religious needs... meanwhile Lee Rigby's family will spend the rest of their lives coming to terms with the atrocity the orchestrated. Ask them if we should be trying to set an example. I find it hard to believe that already people are worrying for the welfare of this pair.

They cited "an eye for an eye" when they run down a young soldier and father, then repeatedly stabbed him and tried and almost succeeded in hacking off his head in broad daylight on a London street. And now we've got to be all understanding? If they'd committed an act like this in an Islamic country, under Sharia law, an eye for an eye is exactly the kind of justice they'd get. And I wouldn't have a problem with that, and I believe I'm not alone.

[Jesus.]

Oh boo freakin' hoo... These people are treated with kid gloves by the system in this country as it is. They'll be segregated, have access to books and medicine, they'll be warm and well fed according to their religious needs... meanwhile Lee Rigby's family will spend the rest of their lives coming to terms with the atrocity the orchestrated. Ask them if we should be trying to set an example. I find it hard to believe that already people are worrying for the welfare of this pair.

They cited "an eye for an eye" when they run down a young soldier and father, then repeatedly stabbed him and tried and almost succeeded in hacking off his head in broad daylight on a London street. And now we've got to be all understanding? If they'd committed an act like this in an Islamic country, under Sharia law, an eye for an eye is exactly the kind of justice they'd get. And I wouldn't have a problem with that, and I believe I'm not alone.

Hold on a minute. My post was made because I've seen posters calling for their torture. That's wrong, petty, and pretty ******ing barbaric. There is a difference between treating them with kid gloves, and not breaking laws to torture people, because there is a whole area in the middle, right between playstations and eye for an eye.

By the same token, if we're so much better than they are, then why is our first instinct to act in exactly the same way and mirror their behaviour? The crime committed that day was unimaginable to me (as a mostly sane person), so it is equally unimaginable to me that we should want to do the same things in retaliation.

[Livia]

Hold on a minute. My post was made because I've seen posters calling for their torture. That's wrong, petty, and pretty ******ing barbaric. There is a difference between treating them with kid gloves, and not breaking laws to torture people, because there is a whole area in the middle, right between playstations and eye for an eye.

By the same token, if we're so much better than they are, then why is our first instinct to act in exactly the same way and mirror their behaviour? The crime committed that day was unimaginable to me (as a mostly sane person), so it is equally unimaginable to me that we should want to do the same things in retaliation.

Stop! You're breaking my heart...

Maybe people feel justified saying what they'd like to do to these two because the two murderers themselves have stated that they live by the "eye for an eye" philosophy. I'm tired of being the ones who have to be "better than that" while other people people feel free to commit atrocities on the streets of our cities and then try to justify themselves... and other people say, oh hang on, don't talk about torturing them, that's just awful... Pretty ******ing barbaric is right. But I'm referring to what they did not what some posters said they'd like to do.

My personal belief is that they should be taken outside and shot in the head. No fuss, no ritual, no bills for their care for the rest of their lives. As far as I'm concerned they threw back my concern for their welfare when they did what they did.

[Jesus.]

Stop! You're breaking my heart...

Maybe people feel justified saying what they'd like to do to these two because the two murderers themselves have stated that they live by the "eye for an eye" philosophy. I'm tired of being the ones who have to be "better than that" while other people people feel free to commit atrocities on the streets of our cities and them try to justify themselves... and other people say, oh hang on, don't talk about torturing them, that's just awful... Pretty ******ing barbaric is right. But I'm referring to what they did not what some posters said they'd like to do.

My personal belief is that they should be taken outside and shot in the head. No fuss, no ritual, no bills for their care for the rest of their lives. As far as I'm concerned they threw back my concern for their welfare when they did what they did.

Well I break a lot of hearts naturally. It's what I do - so don't think you're special!

How many atrocities have they actually committed on our streets though? We kill more of our own people through poverty than any islamic terrorist has ever managed either alone or combined. We're so appalling blinkered by the latest shiny news item where everyone can join together in mutual rage, that we fail to see just how equally bad we can be.

I understand that most people would just want to put a bullet in their heads, but you're all wrong. There is no middle ground on this where I'm concerned. Human rights are human rights and need to be fought for and protected for everyone. Yes, even the most despicable kind of person we can all imagine.

It's weird, because all I'm actually advocating is that we don't either murder or torture them. Who'd have known that would ever be a disagreeable statement?

[joeysteele]

Stop! You're breaking my heart...

Maybe people feel justified saying what they'd like to do to these two because the two murderers themselves have stated that they live by the "eye for an eye" philosophy. I'm tired of being the ones who have to be "better than that" while other people people feel free to commit atrocities on the streets of our cities and then try to justify themselves... and other people say, oh hang on, don't talk about torturing them, that's just awful... Pretty ******ing barbaric is right. But I'm referring to what they did not what some posters said they'd like to do.

My personal belief is that they should be taken outside and shot in the head. No fuss, no ritual, no bills for their care for the rest of their lives. As far as I'm concerned they threw back my concern for their welfare when they did what they did.

I 100% agree, I am not a punishing for punishings sake kind of person but I feel total contempt for these 2, in fact I would hand them over to the Military and let them deal with them all through their life sentences.

This was a purely evil act, they even rammed into him with a car so he had no chance at all of having even the slightest possible chance to get away from them or in any way defend himself.

Be soft in any way on these 2 barbarians, not likely for me.
As you said earlier,they will get food, recreation, visits,if anyone would really want to visit them, medical help when needed too.
Lee Rigby's family always felt likely he could be killed in an attack while on duty somewhere but to have this sickening, inhuman, savage and cowardly attack and murder done to him in his own Country while totally unarmed too, I cannot see where these 2 warrant the slightest crumb of any understanding or leniency especially after pleading not guilty and prolonging the agony of Lee's family further..

They would get not an ounce of it from me at all.

[Nedusa]

I don't want them to be executed, I want them to be kept alive for as long as possible. but I would like that time to be spent in relative discomfort in a maximum security prison or in solitary confinement so they have a long time to reflect on what they did.

It would be nice in years to come if they actually realised they had been brainwashed and came out publicly to argue against extremism and radicalisation .

This is turn might dissuade other would be fanatics to think twice about their own paths and ultimately some very small crumb of hope may come out of this shockingly sad situation.

[Kyle]

They can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned. No death penalty, no easy way out, no more publicity, just them and the four walls.

Enjoy your time at her Majesty's pleasure

[fingers]

They can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned. No death penalty, no easy way out, no more publicity, just them and the four walls.

Enjoy your time at her Majesty's pleasure

Amen to that!

[Z]

Did I just hear on the news they only got 6 years?????

[Jake.]

That can't be right

[AnnieK]

No, I think that's the ex-soldiers who fire-bombed a mosque after the Lee Rigby killing

[fingers]

Did I just hear on the news they only got 6 years?????

Nope that was two soldiers convicted of bombing, or attempting to bomb, a Mosque, just after Lee Rigby's murder.

[Me. I Am Salman]

those two soldiers should have got way more than that, anyone planning to bomb and kill hundreds of people shouldn't be let free after three years

[Nedusa]

those two soldiers should have got way more than that, anyone planning to bomb and kill hundreds of people shouldn't be let free after three years

I agree.... Murder is Murder is Murder regardless of religious persuasion !!!!

[fingers]

Are we to assume that Lee Rigby abrogated HIS Human Rights by joining the army?

[arista]

The mother of Killer Michael Adebolajo
has said she is sorry.
Her son should not have done that

Speaking on ITV1London News

[Mystic Mock]

those two soldiers should have got way more than that, anyone planning to bomb and kill hundreds of people shouldn't be let free after three years

Agreed.

[Mystic Mock]

Hold on a minute. My post was made because I've seen posters calling for their torture. That's wrong, petty, and pretty ******ing barbaric. There is a difference between treating them with kid gloves, and not breaking laws to torture people, because there is a whole area in the middle, right between playstations and eye for an eye.

By the same token, if we're so much better than they are, then why is our first instinct to act in exactly the same way and mirror their behaviour? The crime committed that day was unimaginable to me (as a mostly sane person), so it is equally unimaginable to me that we should want to do the same things in retaliation.

At least they would be alive under my reign, I wouldn't be able to say the same for anybody else if they ran the country and had them two in their grasp.

[Mystic Mock]

Well I break a lot of hearts naturally. It's what I do - so don't think you're special!

How many atrocities have they actually committed on our streets though? We kill more of our own people through poverty than any islamic terrorist has ever managed either alone or combined. We're so appalling blinkered by the latest shiny news item where everyone can join together in mutual rage, that we fail to see just how equally bad we can be.

I understand that most people would just want to put a bullet in their heads, but you're all wrong. There is no middle ground on this where I'm concerned. Human rights are human rights and need to be fought for and protected for everyone. Yes, even the most despicable kind of person we can all imagine.

It's weird, because all I'm actually advocating is that we don't either murder or torture them. Who'd have known that would ever be a disagreeable statement?

You mean our Government not us as the average joe on the streets.

But I agree that our Government is vile and corrupt but it's hard to really punish them when there is no actual evidence behind their corruption.

[fingers]

The mother of Killer Michael Adebolajo
has said she is sorry.
Her son should not have done that

Speaking on ITV1London News

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.

[Livia]

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.

I'd be happy to chip in for a ticket to send the *******er out there. One way.

[arista]

His brother Jeremiah will not condemn the killing, seems to think it was justified by the presence of the British army in Afghanistan.


Yes on Ch5HD News
yesterday his brother claims he did nothing wrong.

He spoke also of Drones (on SkyNewsHD)
but thats USA - not us

[Jesus.]

At least they would be alive under my reign, I wouldn't be able to say the same for anybody else if they ran the country and had them two in their grasp.

After they've been raped and had their food pissed on, we can all pat ourselves on the back that our moral superiority has kept them alive.

You mean our Government not us as the average joe on the streets.

But I agree that our Government is vile and corrupt but it's hard to really punish them when there is no actual evidence behind their corruption.

My point was that the establishment of this country does far more harm, and causes more death than Islamic terrorists ever could, yet isolated events like this make us ignore what happens everyday.

[Livia]

.........My point was that the establishment of this country does far more harm, and causes more death than Islamic terrorists ever could, yet isolated events like this make us ignore what happens everyday.

So far as I remember, the establishment has never run over a member of the public going about their business, stabbed them and attempted to hack off their head before raising a firearm toward the police. I wonder at your reluctance to acknowledge what a freakishly dreadful event this was and take the focus off a pair of dangerous, murdering scumbags who, aside from everything else they've done, cast a very long dark shadow over honest, law-abiding Muslims.

One of your more giddy posts I think, Jesus.

[Mystic Mock]

After they've been raped and had their food pissed on, we can all pat ourselves on the back that our moral superiority has kept them alive.



My point was that the establishment of this country does far more harm, and causes more death than Islamic terrorists ever could, yet isolated events like this make us ignore what happens everyday.

Because tbf while I hate all the parties in this country, they can't solve all of our poverty issues over night.

Terrorists however and this is from any country, deliberately go out of their way to hurt innocent people for petty reasons a lot of the time, and in this case they did it in the worst form of cowardice ever, so yes if they are gonna be kept alive then they need to suffer more than the victim did before he died.

[joeysteele]

Because tbf while I hate all the parties in this country, they can't solve all of our poverty issues over night.

Terrorists however and this is from any country, deliberately go out of their way to hurt innocent people for petty reasons a lot of the time, and in this case they did it in the worst form of cowardice ever, so yes if they are gonna be kept alive then they need to suffer more than the victim did before he died.

Good points Mock, what these 2 did was for me beyond forgiveness and beyond any kind of accepted behaviour anywhere.

It is obscene that the family of Lee Rigby have to live with this loss, in such a savage and barabaric way that it was done,for the rest of their lives.
These miserable rotten excuses for human beings wil get all they need for the rest of their lioves except for the fact they will not be able to have their freedom.

For me that is a very tiny price they are going to have to pay for the rotten savage and pure evil of the murder they committed and the way they went about it too.

[Nemo123]

As I sat here it dawned on me the enormous hypocrisy about the murder of Lee Rigby. I wasn't comfortable yesterday, now today my thoughts are clearer. Some muslims killed him brutally for being a British soldier. But what do people, soldiers with X-Box controllers do, sending drones over to far-flung parts of the world to kill "Al-Qaeda"? Hm!? They arbitrarily decide from high up in the sky to execute someone on the ground, killing men, women and children. That's OK is it, but a couple of muslims savagely murdering a soldier in London isn't?

I mean people have called his murder brutal and cowardly, but what's sitting with an x-box in another part of the world reigning down death? Hm? Brutal and cowardly.

And think, just like in Lee Rigby's case, these drone attacks are not combat situations. They reign down extra-judicial execution on peaceful homes, fields and villages. Not battlefields.

If these drone attacks are not murder, then neither is the killing of Lee Rigby. In other words, they are exactly the same by any sane measure of morality.

[arista]

"If these drone attacks are not murder, then neither is the killing of Lee Rigby. In other words, they are exactly the same by any sane measure of morality."



No USA Evil Drone Attacks are
wrong killing family's near it ,
all the time.


Killing Lee Rigby in London was wrong
as he was not working at a Waz Zone.


The Preacher that guided those killers
ran off to Libya right after the Murder
He must be killed by a Bullet.
As Every Day he goes on the Web
getting more and more Young British
Muslims to do the same.

[Jesus.]

So far as I remember, the establishment has never run over a member of the public going about their business, stabbed them and attempted to hack off their head before raising a firearm toward the police. I wonder at your reluctance to acknowledge what a freakishly dreadful event this was and take the focus off a pair of dangerous, murdering scumbags who, aside from everything else they've done, cast a very long dark shadow over honest, law-abiding Muslims.

One of your more giddy posts I think, Jesus.

Not for the first time in this thread, you have completely missed the point. Why wonder at my reluctance to acknowledge what a dreadful freakishly event this was, when I've actually referenced a number of times how dreadful this crime was? So wonder no more.

My only issue, is the completely abhorrent revenge killing/torture being called for in this thread. That's it. I'm not excusing the killing, I'm not ignoring it, and I'm certainly not giving cover to Islamic terrorism.

Murder and torture are equally wrong, whether committed by a so-called soldier of Allah, or whether it's done on my behalf by a government, for the sole purpose of revenge. That this should be so controversial is completely incomprehensible to me.

Punish these men for their crimes within the legal framework that exists. Nothing more, nothing less.

[thesheriff443]

Not for the first time in this thread, you have completely missed the point. Why wonder at my reluctance to acknowledge what a dreadful freakishly event this was, when I've actually referenced a number of times how dreadful this crime was? So wonder no more.

My only issue, is the completely abhorrent revenge killing/torture being called for in this thread. That's it. I'm not excusing the killing, I'm not ignoring it, and I'm certainly not giving cover to Islamic terrorism.

Murder and torture are equally wrong, whether committed by a so-called soldier of Allah, or whether it's done on my behalf by a government, for the sole purpose of revenge. That this should be so controversial is completely incomprehensible to me.

Punish these men for their crimes within the legal framework that exists. Nothing more, nothing less.
in a nut shell, good people have to kill bad people to keep the rest of the good people safe.

bad people kill good people and good people kill good people without wanting to,

all this eye for an eye making the whole world blind is utter nonsense.

the human race has survived for thousands of years killing each other, it can be with a gun or a knife, or starvation.

[Kyle]

in a nut shell, good people have to kill bad people to keep the rest of the good people safe.

bad people kill good people and good people kill good people without wanting to,

all this eye for an eye making the whole world blind is utter nonsense.

the human race has survived for thousands of years killing each other, it can be with a gun or a knife, or starvation.

I don't quite agree with you Sheriff we aren't savages anymore we shouldn't live by those standards.

The fact is these people were given trial and sentenced within the system of our law and that's good enough for me.

Making examples of these people will turn them into martyrs and that's exactly what they want. Sentence them like you would sentence any British citizen and let them rot away without ever gaining any more publicity.

[AnnieK]

I don't quite agree with you Sheriff we aren't savages anymore we shouldn't live by those standards.

The fact is these people were given trial and sentenced within the system of our law and that's good enough for me.

Making examples of these people will turn them into martyrs and that's exactly what they want. Sentence them like you would sentence any British citizen and let them rot away without ever gaining any more publicity.

Agreed

[Jesus.]

in a nut shell, good people have to kill bad people to keep the rest of the good people safe.

bad people kill good people and good people kill good people without wanting to,

all this eye for an eye making the whole world blind is utter nonsense.

the human race has survived for thousands of years killing each other, it can be with a gun or a knife, or starvation.

I think we'll all be pretty safe if they're locked up in prison, so anything extra to that is purely for revenge, and not punishment.

It's not utter nonsense at all, and if you claim it is, then you need to expand on your reasons for it. We have laws in place to deal with criminals, that don't include murder.

The last point doesn't make any sense to me, because it treats the starting point and conclusion as the same, regardless of what happens in the middle. We know better now, and our morality has demonstrably evolved.

[thesheriff443]

I think we'll all be pretty safe if they're locked up in prison, so anything extra to that is purely for revenge, and not punishment.

It's not utter nonsense at all, and if you claim it is, then you need to expand on your reasons for it. We have laws in place to deal with criminals, that don't include murder.

The last point doesn't make any sense to me, because it treats the starting point and conclusion as the same, regardless of what happens in the middle. We know better now, and our morality has demonstrably evolved.

i think you using jesus as your user name as gone to your head!, eye for an eye making the whole world blind is such an unrealistic frame of mind, in the world we live in today.

if you set out to take another life you should lose the right to keep yours.

i dont want these men tortured but a quick end to their lifes would not go against my mind set.

[Ammi]

..nothing is going to change the fact that Lee is dead or the horrific way he was killed for his family or take away that pain...those are nightmares that they will live with forever, no matter whether his murderers are alive or dead..there will be no 'closure' to this for them...but they wanted to be shot down by the police, they wanted a quick death and not to face what they did..why should they have what they wanted...they don't deserve that, too many people who do terrible things, don't live to face their crimes..if it was a loved one of mine, I would not want him dead at all, I would not feel they deserved that and that would be something else that would haunt my life...

[thesheriff443]

..nothing is going to change the fact that Lee is dead or the horrific way he was killed for his family or take away that pain...those are nightmares that they will live with forever, no matter whether his murderers are alive or dead..there will be no 'closure' to this for them...but they wanted to be shot down by the police, they wanted a quick death and not to face what they did..why should they have what they wanted...they don't deserve that, too many people who do terrible things, don't live to face their crimes..if it was a loved one of mine, I would not want him dead at all, I would not feel they deserved that and that would be something else that would haunt my life...

how do you know what will bring closure for lee's family?, you dont.
what you want and others want is very different.

you should go and ask the victims familes of rapists and murderers that have been thru the prison sytem only to murderand rape again, what their view is.

[AnnieK]

The family of lee will never have closure....I don't know them but I will guarantee nothing will ever take away how he died for them....nothing. I don't need to know them to know that. An act of retribution may make them feel something but it won't be closure, lee will still have faced that atrocity....

[sassysocks]

Yes and their god told them they are at War in the UK.


Eye for a Eye
the Evil Punk stated at the time they killed Lee.

and later
"by the Power of Allah"


Ch4News now

The war is in their own bitter, twisted minds. Vile savages who hopefully die the way they lived. Most of all they were cowards who knew at worst, in Britain, they would go to jail - no fear of them facing the same primitive brand of revenge they like to dish out to others.

[Jesus.]

i think you using jesus as your user name as gone to your head!, eye for an eye making the whole world blind is such an unrealistic frame of mind, in the world we live in today.

if you set out to take another life you should lose the right to keep yours.

i dont want these men tortured but a quick end to their lifes would not go against my mind set.

Being against murder, doesn't make me a hippy. The world we live in today is considerably less violent than the world that existed in biblical times.

I just don't understand (and I hopefully never will) how a civilised society can say the punishment for murdering someone should be murder.

[Ammi]

how do you know what will bring closure for lee's family?, you dont.
what you want and others want is very different.

you should go and ask the victims familes of rapists and murderers that have been thru the prison sytem only to murderand rape again, what their view is.


..no, I could never know how they feel, I can't imagine it and would never want to...no one who hasn't been where they are right now could...so I, like anyone else can just go with what we feel and which is also based on our own personal experiences as well and I have had a close member of my family who was the victim of a violent crime..that's something that we all live with and will continue to because emotional scars don't heal so quickly as any physical ones do...but what I do know is that I could never wish on the mother of the person who did it, the same thing to have to live with ...and it would only make me feel worse to know that someone else felt the same emotional pain..I know that with complete certainty....so I would never, ever wish death or physical harm on anyone....and it would also make me no better than they are...

[sassysocks]

I think we'll all be pretty safe if they're locked up in prison, so anything extra to that is purely for revenge, and not punishment.

It's not utter nonsense at all, and if you claim it is, then you need to expand on your reasons for it. We have laws in place to deal with criminals, that don't include murder.

The last point doesn't make any sense to me, because it treats the starting point and conclusion as the same, regardless of what happens in the middle. We know better now, and our morality has demonstrably evolved.

Isn't the problem that the morality of some has not evolved - it is as primiative as biblical times. Such cretins hide behind banners such as Allah to attempt to make heroes of themselves, because they are far from it, the only way they will ever make their names known in the big wide world. Two sad losers who only actually succeeded in making a martyr of someone who represented something they claim to hate so much. The only hero here was Lee Rigby who unfortunately paid the price for their inadequacies.

[Kizzy]

It was the shock factor associated, that shook the UK it wasn't personal though it was symbolic.
Not that that has been addressed,or that our govt who trawl inner city high schools signing 16yr olds to the army, then send them afghanistan to die at the first opportunity will care.

[Livia]

The government does not "trawl inner city schools" for recruits. I happen to know that it's very hard for the Army Careers people to get into schools because the people who run the schools tend to be left wing militants. You have to have good exam grades to join the army, not anyone can join, it's common misconception by people who know nothing about the modern British army.

[sassysocks]

i think you using jesus as your user name as gone to your head!, eye for an eye making the whole world blind is such an unrealistic frame of mind, in the world we live in today.

if you set out to take another life you should lose the right to keep yours.

i dont want these men tortured but a quick end to their lifes would not go against my mind set.

The whole world knows them for what they are - cowards and savages. One hell of a thing to be famous for. I don't see why taxpayers should pay for them to be fed and watered for years to come - sometimes the word 'civilized' leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. I hope karma gets the creeps.

[Ammi]

The government does not "trawl inner city schools" for recruits. I happen to know that it's very hard for the Army Careers people to get into schools because the people who run the schools tend to be left wing militants. You have to have good exam grades to join the army, not anyone can join, it's common misconception by people who know nothing about the modern British army.

..just a by the by with that Liv..one of my son's friends always wanted to be in the army, that was always his dream which he was totally focused on...anyway, he's a very clever/gifted and academic young man and he did go off/do his training etc...but they wanted him as an officer and that wasn't what he wanted at all, he wanted active duty...so he left because being an officer wasn't what he'd wanted at all...

[sassysocks]

The government does not "trawl inner city schools" for recruits. I happen to know that it's very hard for the Army Careers people to get into schools because the people who run the schools tend to be left wing militants. You have to have good exam grades to join the army, not anyone can join, it's common misconception by people who know nothing about the modern British army.

It is hardly a bad thing that it is difficult for the Army to get into schools to influence vulnerable young minds. Yes those that get into the forces do need to prove their academic abilities, we don't want a bunch of idiots who can barely construct a sentence protecting our country - but only adults should be expected to make the decision to pursue a career that could cost them their lives.

[Jesus.]

The whole world knows them for what they are - cowards and savages. One hell of a thing to be famous for. I don't see why taxpayers should pay for them to be fed and watered for years to come - sometimes the word 'civilized' leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. I hope karma gets the creeps.

When you reduce people down like this it makes it easier to avoid thinking.

[Livia]

It is hardly a bad thing that it is difficult for the Army to get into schools to influence vulnerable young minds. Yes those that get into the forces do need to prove their academic abilities, we don't want a bunch of idiots who can barely construct a sentence protecting our country - but only adults should be expected to make the decision to pursue a career that could cost them their lives.

You talk about influencing young minds like the army go in with a press gang.

So on one hand we're saying that 16 year olds aren't responsible enough to make a career decision to join that army... and on the other hand there are discussions going on to give them the vote?

You can't join up to the army until you're 18 years old and legally considered an adult. You can join at 16 as an apprentice only. But hey, let's not let the army into schools and let the kids have all the facts, or anything. Let's leave that to the teachers so they can give them a really one-sided view of things.

[Kizzy]

The government does not "trawl inner city schools" for recruits. I happen to know that it's very hard for the Army Careers people to get into schools because the people who run the schools tend to be left wing militants. You have to have good exam grades to join the army, not anyone can join, it's common misconception by people who know nothing about the modern British army.

'left wing militants' is that the name given to those who disagree with signing 16yr olds to the army?... Quite a lot of those across europe then seeing as we are the only country to do this.
I know plenty about the modern British army thanks.

[sassysocks]

When you reduce people down like this it makes it easier to avoid thinking.

Where does over-thinking get us? A civilized country where un-civilized cowards can come and brutally murder our brave young men, and then be given food, water and shelter for the rest of their miserable, worthless lives.

[Redway]

I hope the bastards rot in hell.

[sassysocks]

'left wing militants' is that the name given to those who disagree with signing 16yr olds to the army?... Quite a lot of those across europe then seeing as we are the only country to do this.
I know plenty about the modern British army thanks.

It would be worrying if all our teachers were actually left wing or right wing militants. I like to think most are neither.

[Jesus.]

Where does over-thinking get us? A civilized country where un-civilized cowards can come and brutally murder our brave young men, and then be given food, water and shelter for the rest of their miserable lives.

Yeah - you're right. Just out of interest, how many terrorist attacks like this happen every year?

When one side believes they have the power of the almighty on their side, then meeting them force to force isn't going to do anything, but deprogramming can and does happen regularly.

[sassysocks]

Yeah - you're right. Just out of interest, how many terrorist attacks like this happen every year?

When one side believes they have the power of the almighty on their side, then meeting them force to force isn't going to do anything, but deprogramming can and does happen regularly.

Anyone capable of such depraved brutality on a defenceless man is way beyond being deprogrammed. A padded-cell or six feet under would be more appropriate.

[Jesus.]

Anyone capable of such depraved brutality on a defenceless man is way beyond being deprogrammed. A padded-cell or six feet under would be more appropriate.

I'm not arguing against a padded cell, I'm arguing against 6ft under.

[sassysocks]

I'm not arguing against a padded cell, I'm arguing against 6ft under.

Maybe taxpayers should get a say in whether their taxes are used to support such people - and the standard of their 'care' should depend solely on those who are happy to opt-in - bang goes the colour tv and sports facilties for a start.

[Jesus.]

Maybe taxpayers should get a say in whether their taxes are used to support such people - and the standard of their 'care' should depend solely on those who are happy to opt-in - bang goes the colour tv and sports facilties for a start.

I am a tax payer.

[sassysocks]

I am a tax payer.

So am I. You could opt in then, and I'll opt out. We would both we happy then.

[Nemo123]

"If these drone attacks are not murder, then neither is the killing of Lee Rigby. In other words, they are exactly the same by any sane measure of morality."



No USA Evil Drone Attacks are
wrong killing family's near it ,
all the time.


Killing Lee Rigby in London was wrong
as he was not working at a Waz Zone.


The Preacher that guided those killers
ran off to Libya right after the Murder
He must be killed by a Bullet.
As Every Day he goes on the Web
getting more and more Young British
Muslims to do the same.

I think the UK are using drones as well.

[Z]

The thing that worries me about men like this pair is that they don't see what they did as being wrong. They believe that what they did was in aid of a cause; they do not see themselves as murderers or as having committed a crime because they believe at their very core that they're just foot soldiers getting revenge for the atrocities committed against [someone/something the British army has allegedly wronged]. How is the judiciary supposed to deal with something like that? I honestly think deporting them and banning them from re-entry into the UK would be more helpful than locking them up and then letting them back out into our society again. Hopefully they'll be sentenced and then deported once they've served it so they've no opportunity to re-offend. They've been truly indoctrinated and I think they'll poison other minds if they're given the opportunity to in prison or elsewhere.

[Nemo123]

What I've observed over the last 10 years or so was there was a massive anti-war feeling, huge anti-war marches with hundreds of thousands taking to the street to protest the impending Iraq invasion. Not alone in Britain, (btw, I briefly joined one in Leeds when I was over for a home game against Middlesbrough), but huge marches in Ireland I joined, and across Europe.
Then it was like a switch had been pressed. When it all started the Murdoch media, in particular, turned the aggression into a patriotic jolly. Support our troops and all that nonsense. Stupid nationalism took hold of the sheeple. The huge numbers who read the Sun and watch Sky News, and the BBC was brow-beaten to the extent Greg Dyke was forced to resign over the sexed-up dossier, and for not singing from the same sing sheet. The BBC has never been the same since. It's an establishment lacky under threat of having its liveblood, money, cut off by the govt, and Sky given a clear field. Rupert Murdoch who wins elections in Britain.
And so, critical resistance to wars of imperialism gave way to jingoistic patriotism and flag waving, and the general public haven't a clue what it's all about.

[Jesus.]

9EqSuNewrQs

Watch from 4 minutes.

[Nemo123]

9EqSuNewrQs

Watch from 4 minutes.

Very good. The people of Britain were overwhelmingly anti the Iraq invasion. But since it happened, it's been twisted by the Murdoch media. I watched Sky hawkishly at that time. I observed their almost psychopathic coverage. They were telling us the wing spans of B52's as they took off from Brize Norton. They deliberately avoided questioning the morality of the crime that was being perpetrated. At least the BBC gave it a go, and suffered badly. It had its balls cut off.

And since then the jingoistic flag waving mindlessness has been in control.

[joeysteele]

I hope the bastards rot in hell.

Me too, try as hard as I may I cannot myself find any justification for understanding or hope of lenient treatment for these barbarians.

They have never once expressed any regret for their action, they have never once said they regretted the atrocities committed against Lee by them as he was dying or even after he was dead.

They showed total disregard of any decency towards Lee's family by pathetically pleading not guilty thereby prolonging the trial as to duration and forcing the family to endure even more pain as the saga was played out by them.

If ever there was needed at the very least, imprisonment with hard labour, then these rotten vile individuals warrant that.
They won't get it of course as it isn't part of our law or justice system but I do strongly really hope the rest of their lives become a living nightmare for them right to the end of their lives too for the vile act they carried out.

[Nemo123]

Me too, try as hard as I may I cannot myself find any justification for understanding or hope of lenient treatment for these barbarians.

They have never once expressed any regret for their action, they have never once said they regretted the atrocities committed against Lee by them as he was dying or even after he was dead.

They showed total disregard of any decency towards Lee's family by pathetically pleading not guilty thereby prolonging the trial as to duration and forcing the family to endure even more pain as the saga was played out by them.

If ever there was needed at the very least, imprisonment with hard labour, then these rotten vile individuals warrant that.
They won't get it of course as it isn't part of our law or justice system but I do strongly really hope the rest of their lives become a living nightmare for them right to the end of their lives too for the vile act they carried out.

You know, everything you've written could be said about you, British interference in lands far far away.

[Nemo123]

I'm an anglophile. I love contemporary English culture, with the best of them.

[joeysteele]

You know, everything you've written could be said about you, British interference in lands far far away.

I cannot see hoe the 2 things can be justifiably comparable.

Soldiers are 'sent' to other lands in the main with a fair amount of other International approval for the engagement of troops too.
Of course in actual battle, things happen that would be better not to have but that it is in the battle or engagemnet zone areas.

What these 2 did is nothing comparable to decent engagement of troops and these 2 committed this act themselves in a land where they had in effect prospered.
They brought disgrace to the name of any decency, their own families, even their own religion and certainly to most of those who form the military and defence of Nations.

If you cannot see the difference between those 2 things then it will be pointless to engage with you as to this, I saw nothing,not a single thing in their actions that is justifiable and certainly not where and how they carried it out either, if you do then that's your affair but it is most certainly not mine.