Lionel's face was a picture.

[Kate!]

Lionel is totally culture shocked by Jasmine, she's rude, crude and yet hilarious. I don't see him biting his tongue for long, they'll inevitably clash.

Could be great viewing though. Hope they both stay in.

[Natalie.]

They need to both stay in yes :laugh:

[Lee.]

My face would have been the same tbh.. I've always disliked him, but there was nae need for jasmine to say that stuff!

[Kate!]

Ah there you are Nat. There's a creme egg in The Lounge for you.

[Josy]

My face would have been the same tbh.. I've always disliked him, but there was nae need for jasmine to say that stuff!

Have to agree with this, fair enough if that's the way she is but he's 82 years old at least have some respect in front of him when you haven't even known him a day.

[Kate!]

My face would have been the same tbh.. I've always disliked him, but there was nae need for jasmine to say that stuff!

She's got no shame at all has she?

[Ammi]

..I wouldn't have gone in the BB house in the first place and I don't know what people expect because it's quite easy to watch old series...he has taken the money to go in and I think he really just has to accept the generation gap and be more tolerant....

[Kate!]

Rylan's just analyzing it now on the psychology show :laugh:

[Lee.]

..I wouldn't have gone in the BB house in the first place and I don't know what people expect because it's quite easy to watch old series...he has taken the money to go in and I think he really just has to accept the generation gap and be more tolerant....

Plus she could have a bit more respect for others... I would never ever ever talk like that in front of anyone!

[Amy Jade]

Plus she could have a bit more respect for others... I would never ever ever talk like that in front of anyone!
hmmm...

[Kate!]

It is disrespectful from her, but on the other hand he chose to go in there as Ammi says.

From a viewing perspective it's gold. He could end up winning if people find his reactions entertaining.

[Jamesy]

To be fair Jasmine should have not said that in front of him.

It's like talking to a grandparent. Most people would not talk in a vulgar way like that! You've got to have some respect for those older than yourself!

With the ones in her age group there she would have been fine saying that (not that I think it's the type of thing you talk about around people you have known for a few hours).

As a viewer though it was quite funny. :tongue:

[MeMyselfAndI]

He shouldn't be in that house, what a dullard. Why should she change herself too accommodate for someone

[Lee.]

hmmm...

I wouldn't.. Definitely not. I can swear like a trooper and laugh along at dirty jokes or suggestive innuendo, but I would not discuss fingering a mans arsehole in a group of people.

It's just how I am... Doesn't make me a bad person :/

[Ammi]

Plus she could have a bit more respect for others... I would never ever ever talk like that in front of anyone!

..I wouldn't either but she doesn't know him at all and is just a different person but I don't think she owes him any respect..respect is more about yourself, I think...and she was drunk as well...

[Northern Monkey]

Meh,I bet old Lionel has done abit of finger banging in his time.

[MrWong]

Lionel said he would have been fine if a fella had said it.

He's just being a bitch for the sake of it.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Can people get off their high horse, many in this thread talk like that on the forum with 13 year olds on

[Amy Jade]

He was giving her daggers he deserved it nyways

[Lee.]

..I wouldn't either but she doesn't know him at all and is just a different person but I don't think she owes him any respect..respect is more about yourself, I think...and she was drunk as well...

I think everybody deserves a bit of respect

[Ammi]

It is disrespectful from her, but on the other hand he chose to go in there as Ammi says.

From a viewing perspective it's gold. He could end up winning if people find his reactions entertaining.

..I just find it annoying and more annoying that some people go into the house and then complain about behaviour when they know what BB is about and if they didn't, they could look at old series...for me it's more annoying than Jasmine's behaviour because at least that has some entertainment value...

[Ammi]

I think everybody deserves a bit of respect

..yeah, I agree but not everyone has the same idea of respect and she was quite drunk, he really didn't cut her any slack either...

[Amy Jade]

..I just find it annoying and more annoying that some people go into the house and then complain about behaviour when they know what BB is about and if they didn't, they could look at old series...for me it's more annoying than Jasmine's behaviour because at least that has some entertainment value...
:worship:

[Josy]

Can people get off their high horse, many in this thread talk like that on the forum with 13 year olds on

For a start we are discussing BB not forum members.

And secondly I can honestly I have never seen anyone in this thread speak/post like that on here or anywhere else.

[Kazanne]

She's a disgusting excuse for a woman,to talk like that in front of strangers and act like she did in the bedroom is just trashy,just as I thought she would be.

[GiRTh]

..I just find it annoying and more annoying that some people go into the house and then complain about behaviour when they know what BB is about and if they didn't, they could look at old series...for me it's more annoying than Jasmine's behaviour because at least that has some entertainment value...:worship:

[Kazanne]

I guess it depends on what you find 'entertaining' watching some slapper cavort over another housemate and describe her love for fingering anus's to strangers and show a bit of tit,is not entertainment to me.

[Amy Jade]

I guess it depends on what you find 'entertaining' watching some slapper cavort over another housemate and describe her love for fingering anus's to strangers and show a bit of tit,is not entertainment to me.

Yet you championed Sam who talked about getting erections in front of the girls last year.

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[Cherie]

in fairness to Jasmine she was pretty drunk, haven't we all been there? maybe not that level of crudeness but come out with stuff we really shouldn't have. Gonna give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Lionels face though..:joker:

[MeMyselfAndI]

Yet you championed Sam who talked about getting erections in front of the girls last year.

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And telling task girls too get their tits out for the lads
The double standards are strong

[MrWong]

I guess it depends on what you find 'entertaining' watching some slapper cavort over another housemate and describe her love for fingering anus's to strangers and show a bit of tit,is not entertainment to me.

Part of the entertainment is seeing the reactions of the other hm's.

Lionel being horrified for one.

[Amy Jade]

And telling task girls too get their tits out for the lads
The double standards are strong
Ohh yeah I forgot about that too

[joeysteele]

She was clearly drunk and so her guard,if she has any, would be down.

However I do think when you know someone is of the age Lionel is, you do make at least a small effort to be sure that your conversation may not offend.
There was in truth,no need for her to go onto that subject anyway and she really more likely showed herself up more than Lionel did by his dislike and discomfort at the topic.

I also have to say though, it is a good thing Lionel is in this series then and not the last one because what he would have made of the Geordie shore girl would be likely unthinkable.

I actually loved and laughed at Ollie's reactions to it all, it must be really hard for him to be handcuffed to Lionel.

[Kazanne]

Yet you championed Sam who talked about getting erections in front of the girls last year.

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Sam said once that Jasmine made his winkie expand,now are you seriously telling me that was on a par with Jasmines antics and talk tonight ? IF he had been seriously crude and writhing about on another housemate I could understand but please ,there is NO comparison,you stick to your love for all things controversial , I think she was a disgrace.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I had a similar reaction too Ollie, I was laughing & I loved her. I feel awful for him too be tied too Lionel

[MrWong]

Yet you championed Sam who talked about getting erections in front of the girls last year.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4avk98ptr1qb5ekt.gif

And telling task girls too get their tits out for the lads
The double standards are strong

Good points.

[joeysteele]

I had a similar reaction too Ollie, I was laughing & I loved her. I feel awful for him too be tied too Lionel

It must be doing his head in but he is really putting a brave face on it and trying to enjoy all that is going on around him despite Lionel.

[Amy Jade]

Sam said once that Jasmine made his winkie expand,now are you seriously telling me that was on a par with Jasmines antics and talk tonight ? IF he had been seriously crude and writhing about on another housemate I could understand but please ,there is NO comparison,you stick to your love for all things controversial , I think she was a disgrace.
Jasmine only talked about that once too, and only continued talking about it after Dappy asked her to elaborate.

Sam went to a woman in her 40's and told her she gave him an erection and did he not also talk about getting erections around Hazel and Gina...and he asked random girls he had just met to flash him their tits but that's ok? that's a bit of banter of course.

[chuff me dizzy]

I doubt Lionel has come across such a sewer mouthed slapper before ,hes in his 80s ,hes not going to accept that and why should he?

[chuff me dizzy]

Sam said once that Jasmine made his winkie expand,now are you seriously telling me that was on a par with Jasmines antics and talk tonight ? IF he had been seriously crude and writhing about on another housemate I could understand but please ,there is NO comparison,you stick to your love for all things controversial , I think she was a disgrace.

Once within first few days ,never said it again

[Amy Jade]

I doubt Lionel has come across such a sewer mouthed slapper before ,hes in his 80s ,hes not going to accept that and why should he?
Is any woman whos vaguely sexual a 'slapper' to you?

[chuff me dizzy]

in fairness to Jasmine she was pretty drunk, haven't we all been there? maybe not that level of crudeness but come out with stuff we really shouldn't have. Gonna give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Lionels face though..:joker:

Naaah all put on ,fake as her boobs she flashed

[Kazanne]

Jasmine only talked about that once too, and only continued talking about it after Dappy asked her to elaborate.

Sam went to a woman in her 40's and told her she gave him an erection and did he not also talk about getting erections around Hazel and Gina...and he asked random girls he had just met to flash him their tits but that's ok? that's a bit of banter of course.

Did he mount another housmate and writh about on them did he lie on the floor screaming and flashing himself, did he knowingly make others feel uncomfortable,by describing in detail finger banging and that 40 year old woman you speak of loved it,? NO,the scenario is totally different ,but stay bitter.

[chuff me dizzy]

Is any woman whos vaguely sexual a 'slapper' to you?

"VAGUELY?" did you watch the show ?

[chuff me dizzy]

Did he mount another housmate and writh about on them did he lie on the floor screaming and flashing himself, did he knowingly make others feel uncomfortable,by describing in detail finger banging and that 40 year old woman you speak of loved it,? NO,the scenario is totally different ,but stay bitter.

EXACTLY !!

[Lee.]

Is any woman whos vaguely sexual a 'slapper' to you?

Are women with a bit of decency and morals all dried up old prudes to you?

[Kazanne]

Are women with a bit of decency and morals all dried up old prudes to you?

:worship::worship::worship:

[chuff me dizzy]

Are women with a bit of decency and morals all dried up old prudes to you?

All down to upbringing ,like you Ive worked in pubs and I have seen real drunks, she wasnt even slightly drunk it was all put on

[Amy Jade]

Are women with a bit of decency and morals all dried up old prudes to you?
You told me to swallow razor blades, you aint as moral as you like to portray.

[erinp5]

I guess it depends on what you find 'entertaining' watching some slapper cavort over another housemate and describe her love for fingering anus's to strangers and show a bit of tit,is not entertainment to me.

I so agree. Vile female .

[Jack_]

Yet you championed Sam who talked about getting erections in front of the girls last year.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4avk98ptr1qb5ekt.gif

Sexism at its finest, this idea that women are supposed to repress their sexuality whilst men can parade theirs round really pisses me off

What is most saddening for me though is when attitudes like this are exacerbated by women themselves, it does the feminist cause so much injustice

[Lee.]

You told me to swallow razor blades, you aint as moral as you like to portray.

First of all I didn't... And secondly although it isn't something I would suggest to somebody, it's still not quite the same as offering to finger strange men's arses!

[Amy Jade]

Sexism at its finest
Honestly that's what I feel it boils down to.

[Kazanne]

No one is repressed just some of us have standards

[chuff me dizzy]

No one is repressed just some of us have standards
And morals

[MrWong]

Sexism at its finest, this idea that women are supposed to repress their sexuality whilst men can parade theirs round really pisses me off

What is most saddening for me though is when attitudes like this are exacerbated by women themselves, it does the feminist cause so much injustice

Lionel said as much when he was complaining about Jasmine to Ollie.

[Amy Jade]

First of all I didn't... And secondly although it isn't something I would suggest to somebody, it's still not quite the same as offering to finger strange men's arses!
she was joking, though. If she had spread her cheeks and asked Lionel to fist her I would get the outrage but the comments were pretty tame imo

[chuff me dizzy]

she was joking, though. If she had spread her cheeks and asked Lionel to fist her I would get the outrage but the comments were pretty tame imo

She was joking ? no pal I think thats you doing the joking

[Amy Jade]

She was joking ? no pal I think thats you doing the joking
She was clearly joking, she suggested Lee and Casey were off to bed and he was going to finger bang her.

I'm not your pal either

[Josy]

Sexism at its finest, this idea that women are supposed to repress their sexuality whilst men can parade theirs round really pisses me off

What is most saddening for me though is when attitudes like this are exacerbated by women themselves, it does the feminist cause so much injustice

Why bring sexism into it Jack? I'm pretty sure the people that found it disgusting would feel exactly the same if it was a male talking about fingering arseholes on tv

[Lee.]

she was joking, though. If she had spread her cheeks and asked Lionel to fist her I would get the outrage but the comments were pretty tame imo

You think her comments were tame, I think they were offensive and uncalled for. It must be a generation thing (sadly) so we will have to agree to disagree.

[chuff me dizzy]

She was clearly joking, she suggested Lee and Casey were off to bed and he was going to finger bang her.

I'm not your pal either

Dead right there, none of my pals would approve of this slappers filth talk im choosy who my mates are :idc:

[Lee.]

Why bring sexism into it Jack? I'm pretty sure the people that found it disgusting would feel exactly the same if it was a male talking about fingering arseholes on tv

Yes I would josy.. In fact I found Lees "this would he a good place to ****" fairly uncalled for too.

Ach it's just a big attention seeking battle of egos really.

[Jack_]

lol @ the idea of morality and 'standards' being linked to the extent of which someone expresses their sexuality

It's perfectly fine for men to rate women quite openly out and about and on social media and it's perfectly fine for them to discuss what they'd like to do said women (sometimes even to their faces) cause they're just LADZ innit~ living by the Lad Bible, but Jesus should a female dare to converse in the same kind of manner and she's deemed to be a ****ing immoral, worthless, trampy ****ing slut?

It's saddening. Truly, truly saddening.

When are people going to learn that people expressing their sexuality openly and freely is both healthy (to society too) and natural?

[Amy Jade]

Dead right there, none of my pals would approve of this slappers filth talk im choosy who my mates are :idc:
Yeah you keep telling yourself that while you supported Sam and you remain a hypocrite.

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[MrWong]

Dead right there, none of my pals would approve of this slappers filth talk im choosy who my mates are :idc:

Me and my mates are choosy too. We wouldn't associate with racists and xenophobes.

Different strokes I guess.

[Jack_]

Why bring sexism into it Jack? I'm pretty sure the people that found it disgusting would feel exactly the same if it was a male talking about fingering arseholes on tv

There may be some, yes, but let's not pretend here that across society it generally speaking isn't looked down upon for men to discuss their sexuality openly and in the presence of the women that they're talking about too, they're deemed to be 'lads' and it's part of the 'lad culture', almost as if it comes naturally and well it's just acceptable and they can get on with it - but if a female were to do it they're looked down upon as some attention seeking slut? This kind of sexism is without question prevalent across the world and whether some people don't like these attitudes from both sexes or not, generally speaking it's a one rule for men and another for women kind of thing, and I'm afraid the condemning nature of things like this on TV really doesn't help the sex equality cause.

[Jack_]

Me and my mates are choosy too. We wouldn't associate with racists and xenophobes.

Different strokes I guess.

Close the thread. You win.

[Josy]

lol @ the idea of morality and 'standards' being linked to the extent of which someone expresses their sexuality

It's perfectly fine for men to rate women quite openly out and about and on social media and it's perfectly fine for them to discuss what they'd like to do said women (sometimes even to their faces) cause they're just LADZ innit~ living by the Lad Bible, but Jesus should a female dare to converse in the same kind of manner and she's deemed to be a ****ing immoral, worthless, trampy ****ing slut?

It's saddening. Truly, truly saddening.

When are people going to learn that people expressing their sexuality openly and freely is both healthy (to society too) and natural?

Lol at the over exaggeration in that post, she wasn't expressing her sexuality she was asking people she had never met before in her life about their sexual encounters, on tv I may add.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Me and my mates are choosy too. We wouldn't associate with racists and xenophobes.

Different strokes I guess.

What a perfect post :blush:

[GiRTh]

Sexism at its finest, this idea that women are supposed to repress their sexuality whilst men can parade theirs round really pisses me off

What is most saddening for me though is when attitudes like this are exacerbated by women themselves, it does the feminist cause so much injustice:worship:

[GiRTh]

Me and my mates are choosy too. We wouldn't associate with racists and xenophobes.

Different strokes I guess.
Oh no oh no oh no its over!!!!!!!!

[Jack_]

Lol at the over exaggeration in that post, she wasn't expressing her sexuality she was asking people she had never met before in her life about their sexual encounters, on tv I may add.

Yes the clear and indisputable fact that men are encouraged and generally not condemned for celebrating their sexuality openly is certainly just me exaggerating. Of course it is. Like I said when these attitudes come from men it's just plain misogyny but when they come from women themselves it's just downright depressing.

And um she was, because when questioning Dappy on whether he'd let someone finger him, she made references to the fact that she would 'do it to him' and he would love it, and that she does it to guys herself. So yes, she was expressing her sexuality. Oh and not only that but she was imitating sex on top of Sam in the bedroom.

[erinp5]

1.10am: Jasmine has shocked Lionel again. We're blushing

[CaudleHalbard]

She was, let's face it, as drunk as a skunk! :-D

[Josy]

Yes the clear and indisputable fact that men are encouraged and generally not condemned for celebrating their sexuality openly is certainly just me exaggerating. Of course it is. Like I said when these attitudes come from men it's just plain misogyny but when they come from women themselves it's just downright depressing.

And um she was, because when questioning Dappy on whether he'd let someone finger him, she made references to the fact that she would 'do it to him' and he would love it, and that she does it to guys herself. So yes, she was expressing her sexuality. Oh and not only that but she was imitating sex on top of Sam in the bedroom.

We werent discussing Sam and Jasmine in the bedroom in here though were were talking about what she said infront of Lionel and his reaction.

So yeah I do think you were over reacting to come into the thread and start going on about sexuality, feminism etc you went off on a tangent that had practically nothing to do with the discussion..

Her getting her boobs out or carrying on with Sam in the bedroom doesnt bother me one bit, I still think what she was sat saying in the garden is out of order and would think the same no matter if it was a male or female that said it.

[Jack_]

We werent discussing Sam and Jasmine in the bedroom in here though were were talking about what she said infront of Lionel and his reaction.

So yeah I do think you were over reacting to come into the thread and start going on about sexuality, feminism etc you went off on a tangent that had practically nothing to do with the discussion..

Her getting her boobs out or carrying on with Sam in the bedroom doesnt bother me one bit, I still think what she was sat saying in the garden is out of order and would think the same no matter if it was a male or female that said it.

Well there's certainly been some on here tonight who have criticised the way she acted in the bedroom so...

But regardless, I've just explained how that conversation was her expressing her sexuality. What else was it? She was instigating a conversation about hers and Dappy's sexual likes and dislikes. How is that anything other than expressing your sexuality?

And it has everything to do with the discussion because whether or not there are some like you that wouldn't have liked the topic of conversation regardless of gender (that's better than having a double standards approach admittedly but I would argue such open attitudes and expression towards sex and sexuality is actually natural and healthy to society and it should be encouraged, but that's a different debate altogether), in society generally the belief that women should remain 'lady like' (lol what a indefinable concept anyway) and not engage in such conversations is a prevalent one, all whilst men are on the whole actively encouraged and allowed to talk openly about their sexual fantasies because that's all part of being a 'lad'.

The point I am making is that whilst you or a few others may dislike that kind of conversation regardless of whether the instigator is male or female, the general attitudes towards this in society are wildly sexist and involve everything I've explained so far in this thread. And as such, condemning a female for partaking in such behaviour on a TV show is actually contributing to this divide because it's only seeking to continue the same gender splits. You might not think it is but on a wider scale it just does, the more these opinions are thrown about the more it continues to be normal to criticise a woman for this behaviour but it's not so much important if a man does it. It might be still be to you as you've said but generally speaking it isn't as condemned and surely you must at least be able to admit that?

[Kizzy]

I thought it was funny seeing dappy and co squirm when she was discussing it, she and louisa are going to clash as they are both very very sexually aggressive women.

[Jack_]

I will repeat though, I can understand people's issues with her conversing like that in front of Lionel (not in general though there's no issue), there are potentially issues of disrespect there (or perhaps it's just more a bit bizarre), but she was completely off her face - I'm not surprised she had no filter to be quite honest.

[sampvt]

I will repeat though, I can understand people's issues with her conversing like that in front of Lionel (not in general though there's no issue), there are potentially issues of disrespect there (or perhaps it's just more a bit bizarre), but she was completely off her face - I'm not surprised she had no filter to be quite honest.

Jack, can you please shorten your posts and try not to use psycho babble because after reading your submissions several times, I get the feeling that you are forcing a point you know very little about and it has little or no relevance to anything in this thread.

Why don't you open a new thread and post your feelings there. Ive lost the plot on this thread now. Lionel is an 82 yr old man that has Victorian views of sex and life, he has a right to be bemused or upset but what you are trying to do is make him out to be some kind of Neanderthal moron and your views as a youngster are fraught with life experiences when you are so young and seemingly very bitter regarding views that don't gel with yours.

[smeagol]

i like her dont care attitude she reminds me of me. is that the jasmine who done that sex tape?
lional is just being precious. he wants to be hip but he picks his morals when he wishes.
sad

[Jack_]

Jack, can you please shorten your posts and try not to use psycho babble because after reading your submissions several times, I get the feeling that you are forcing a point you know very little about and it has little or no relevance to anything in this thread.

Why don't you open a new thread and post your feelings there. Ive lost the plot on this thread now. Lionel is an 82 yr old man that has Victorian views of sex and life, he has a right to be bemused or upset but what you are trying to do is make him out to be some kind of Neanderthal moron and your views as a youngster are fraught with life experiences when you are so young and seemingly very bitter regarding views that don't gel with yours.

What the actual ******? I've made two clear references in this thread to the fact that I can understand why people would think her conversing in such a manner in front of Lionel would be unacceptable. Have you actually read the thread through or are you just trying to throw some more unnecessary digs at me?

I have made it perfectly clear that I think having such a conversation in front of an 80 year old man brings up issues of disrespect, so if anything I've actually taken Lionel's views and beliefs into consideration here, where on earth have I made him out to be or suggested that he is 'some kind of Neanderthal moron'? That's grossly untrue and actually quite unfair, I've done nothing of the sort in this thread. Other people perhaps, but certainly not me. Surely other people can vouch for me on that also?

Like seriously, stop trying to insult me at every available opportunity, especially when I haven't even done anything you're accusing me of. What is your problem?

[Kizzy]

I disagreed with my daughter on this, I don't feel she should modify her behaviour for lionel, he is a person to treat him any differently than you would anyone else is wrong as far as I see it.
He is old yes but I think it would be discriminatory and rather patronising to single him out due to this during a group conversation.
He may have looked shocked... they all did to be fair :laugh:

[Ammi]

..if she had modifies her behaviour, then she would be called 'false' and she was drunk and uninhibited anyway..and as much as I've always liked Lionel, it's ok for him to accept the money etc to go into CBB but then if he's going to do that then he has to accept what that means and there is often 'controversial' behaviour...I don't think that respect is anything to do with age either..why should she respect him any more than she would any of the other housemates, she doesn't know him at all..anyway, it's all providing what BB aim for because that's why they put such mixed age range housemates in....

[Ammi]

..I was trying to think of an analogy..(other than the Sam one which has been mentioned..)...and the only thing I could think of wasn't on BB but for myself when I first joined the forum and the respect that is felt that Jasmine should have showed Lionel..that would be like me saying...'excuse me, I'm here now, you can cut that out and stop any crude talk because I find it disrespectful...'..what would give me the right to say that or expect it of anyone....I know this is on National TV but that's really only Jasmine's concern and how the general public will judge her for it but there have been far more offensive things to me on BB than crude talk and crude talk doesn't mean she lacks morals or is a bad person at all, it runs far deeper than that....and respect is for yourself really....

[newsbb]

hes an absolute bore, thats why old people should be allowed!

[mizzy25]

I do think she was pissed but not as pissed as she was making out she was, the comments about the finger banging were uncalled for regardless whether she or say dappy said them, to be honest I couldn't imagine any of the lads actually saying this, infact if they did there would prob b a public outcry. I was always brought up to respect my elders so I do think it was definitely uncalled for in front of Lionel nd Im not surprised he reacted the way he did. Ollie and Dappy weren't quite sure what to do/say either and as for poor Sam. Regarding lee and the ****ing in the bath comment, that was slighyly different, there was only 2 of them there, him and casey and he sort of reminded me of a naughty little brother it wasn't that bad what he said, I don't think he would say things like that in a group of people. Now we will just wait for Jim to say something like that and watch the public outcry. lol

[joeysteele]

Personally,I myself would curb lots of things things I said when in the company of people much older than myself and especially after only being in their company for a few hours too.That is not only respect in some form but the right and decent way to act in company no matter the age make up of those present.

Also, as I said somewhere else, she chose to guide conversation to that topic.
Lionel to be fair, wasn't in the position where he could just get up and leave the company while being handcuffed to someone much younger too.
He needed to get Ollie to agree to move as well.

She allowed herself to get drunk and no one else did, even Sam was rather unhappy at her antics too when rolling all over the place.
First impressions count for a lot and for me Jasmine has made a pretty bad first impression after a very short time in the house.

She won't likely be the only one to go overboard in there after having too much to drink as the series goes on but to do so that early was,I would say anyway, uncalled for and out of order as was this topic she 'forced' on the others in her company at the time.

[Patricia4]

Jasmine I don't care for and Lionel had to wait while Ollie finished is fag because he couldn't move away Im sure he wouldn't of been there if it wasn't for Ollie.

[arista]

They need to both stay in yes :laugh:



Yes

[joeysteele]

Jasmine I don't care for and Lionel had to wait while Ollie finished is fag because he couldn't move away Im sure he wouldn't of been there if it wasn't for Ollie.

Exactly, I agree completely and that is something she should have taken into account too,drunk or otherwise.
There is too much of this someone was drunk to excuse bad behaviour.
Simple answer, don't get drunk, no one else did really.

[anne666]

The silly woman was too drunk to know which planet she was on. Don't get drunk? I agree but she was drunk and behaving like an arse.....Simple as that for me. I felt sorry for Sam handcuffed to her. That certainly wasn't safe. Are broken bones BB's latest idea of fun. :conf:

[Cherie]

The silly woman was too drunk to know which planet she was on. Don't get drunk? I agree but she was drunk and behaving like an arse.....Simple as that for me. I felt sorry for Sam handcuffed to her. That certainly wasn't safe. Are broken bones BB's latest idea of fun. :conf:

That was my take on it as well.

[Kazanne]

I do think she was pissed but not as pissed as she was making out she was, the comments about the finger banging were uncalled for regardless whether she or say dappy said them, to be honest I couldn't imagine any of the lads actually saying this, infact if they did there would prob b a public outcry. I was always brought up to respect my elders so I do think it was definitely uncalled for in front of Lionel nd Im not surprised he reacted the way he did. Ollie and Dappy weren't quite sure what to do/say either and as for poor Sam. Regarding lee and the ****ing in the bath comment, that was slighyly different, there was only 2 of them there, him and casey and he sort of reminded me of a naughty little brother it wasn't that bad what he said, I don't think he would say things like that in a group of people. Now we will just wait for Jim to say something like that and watch the public outcry. lol

Good point Mizzy,can you imagine if he or Lionel had said that they love fingering someones anus,just because Jasmine is deemed pretty and fit it seems to be a red light to say and do anything .Double standards or what,lol

[Jemal]

..if she had modifies her behaviour, then she would be called 'false' and she was drunk and uninhibited anyway..and as much as I've always liked Lionel, it's ok for him to accept the money etc to go into CBB but then if he's going to do that then he has to accept what that means and there is often 'controversial' behaviour...I don't think that respect is anything to do with age either..why should she respect him any more than she would any of the other housemates, she doesn't know him at all..anyway, it's all providing what BB aim for because that's why they put such mixed age range housemates in....

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[Ammi]

..it's not a conversation topic that I would necessarily want to be part of and if someone were to come into my home and get drunk and have a similar discussion, then maybe I would hope to get an apology from that person when sober because it was my home and my hospitality etc...but in the BB house, everyone has equal 'respect', no one more so than another person because of age, career or anything else and no rules were broken, so she didn't disrespect anyone...I know she'll get criticism and maybe be evicted by the public because of this but it doesn't make her anything awful or deserving of some of the things people will say because she does seem like a nice person...but that's BB and the nature of it, I guess she also has to understand that as well as Lionel does....

[Lee.]

..it's not a conversation topic that I would necessarily want to be part of and if someone were to come into my home and get drunk and have a similar discussion, then maybe I would hope to get an apology from that person when sober because it was my home and my hospitality etc...but in the BB house, everyone has equal 'respect', no one more so than another person because of age, career or anything else and no rules were broken, so she didn't disrespect anyone...I know she'll get criticism and maybe be evicted by the public because of this but it doesn't make her anything awful or deserving of some of the things people will say because she does seem like a nice person...but that's BB and the nature of it, I guess she also has to understand that as well as Lionel does....

I disagree Ammi.. I think, regardless of the situation or location, consideration should be given towards others.
I interact daily with people of all ages and act accordingly towards them all.. I act differently with say my best friend than I do with some if the older gentlemen that come into the pub at night. It's not being fake or repressed, it's called having a bit if sensitivity towards others feelings.

[Kazanne]

I disagree Ammi.. I think, regardless of the situation or location, consideration should be given towards others.
I interact daily with people of all ages and act accordingly towards them all.. I act differently with say my best friend than I do with some if the older gentlemen that come into the pub at night. It's not being fake or repressed, it's called having a bit if sensitivity towards others feelings.

I'm totally with you on this one Lee , seems we are in a minority , but that can only be a good thing . No one is saying she shouldn't have 'fun' but surely not at the expense of others , some people are totally selfish.

[Ammi]

I disagree Ammi.. I think, regardless of the situation or location, consideration should be given towards others.
I interact daily with people of all ages and act accordingly towards them all.. I act differently with say my best friend than I do with some if the older gentlemen that come into the pub at night. It's not being fake or repressed, it's called having a bit if sensitivity towards others feelings.

..yeah, I agree, I think most of us do that adapt to situations..I work in a school so obviously have to ‘adapt’ to being around children/being an example etc..but those are completely different environments to being in the BB house and Lionel isn't adapting to the BB house...BB was never about ‘being an example’ to others or that any housemate has priority of respect over another...I think that also, most people have been in a position of having a lot to drink and then thinking OMG, did I do or say that..so then it comes down to ..oh well that’s ok, what I/they did but what he/she did isn’t ok, it’s a step too far...but what is too far is subjective to everyone, so long obviously as no rules are broken and if they are then BB will deal with that....

...it’s also for me how the ‘other person’ reacts, as in Lionel in this case...there have been far worse things in BB house, far more offensive...like with Shilpa Setty, for instance and her reactions to what were far more offensive and insulting things than sex talk, were very dignified for which I admired her for...I do get that it isn’t Lionel’s thing at all but he had the choice to go in there and accept everything that BB is and has always been...he also has a choice to ‘act outraged’ or whatever or to be more helpful and take more of a paternal role and just say to Jasmine..(when sober..)...look, you know this is how the public will see you if you’re not careful what you drink and that’s not something that I would want for my own daughter/granddaughter etc so maybe just think about it..and then it’s really up to Jasmine but I can’t see the point in going into this sort of environment and then just looking all outraged and disgusted etc....

...but it’s good that it’s caused this sort of differing opinions anyway because this is a lot of what the BB season on forums is all about and otherwise we’d all be saying we were bored with it...what I do miss though..(same ole, same old.....is the livefeed of ‘normal conversations’ to balance it all out because it’s hard to keep up with the pace of ‘scandal and controversy’ sometimes....

[sampvt]

It goes without saying that we should temper or mediate our language and the content of our convo when in the company of the young and the old. My kids probably swear outdoors but if they did it in my company they would get a thick ear. retrospectively I shield my grandson from verbal profanities and content that I feel he shouldn't hear.

Our younger generation seem to think its cool to offer profanities and lurid comments as part of every day life but as in the case of Lionel, she should have taken his age into consideration no mater how drunk she was. If you cant keep a civil tongue when you are drunk, maybe you shouldn't drink. We all know Bb has a habit of offering such poo pahs and Lionel should be well tuned to these indiscression but that still doesn't mean he needs to sit there and be embarrassed at someone else's behest.

Each side was a little wrong but in essence, drink coupled with bb coupled with desperados wanting to make a name for themselves is a recipe for conflict so its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

[MachoPoodle]

I thought she could be interesting for a while, but it seems she's just another immature tryhard.

[Kizzy]

Look at julie when she was in the house, folk trod on eggshells around her and she had the muckiest mouth of the lot :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

Jack, can you please shorten your posts and try not to use psycho babble because after reading your submissions several times, I get the feeling that you are forcing a point you know very little about and it has little or no relevance to anything in this thread.

Why don't you open a new thread and post your feelings there. Ive lost the plot on this thread now. Lionel is an 82 yr old man that has Victorian views of sex and life, he has a right to be bemused or upset but what you are trying to do is make him out to be some kind of Neanderthal moron and your views as a youngster are fraught with life experiences when you are so young and seemingly very bitter regarding views that don't gel with yours.

I dont think its an age thing,decent people do NOT talk like this in front of anyone ,says more about the person saying it ,than those who dont approve,she had known them all a couple of hours and spoke like that ? dirty,filthy cow

[reece(:]

Julie Goodyear is another fine example of the same type of language exhibited and she was of the older generation.

[Livia]

Trash is trash whether it's old trash or young trash.

[Kazanne]

Trash is trash whether it's old trash or young trash.

:joker::joker: So,so true