Will she fall for Lee's charm again

[Josy]

While in the Bolt Hole will Casey fall for Lee's charm (sleaziness) again?

[Jemal]

Of course
Shes a nice girl.
But is as brainless as a fork.

[GiRTh]

So whats the procedure when I address royalty like yourself Josy. Bow, kiss the ring, do I have to call you by a different title?

[Cherie]

If she does all hope is lost that she has anything upstairs

[sampvt]

Lee has seen how his failed playboy plan has effected the publics perception of him and he will be all nice and civil. |They will be good friends but if Jasmine throws him under a bus, it will drive him back to \casey and she will defo let him in as she is desperate to stay in the limelight.

[GiRTh]

SUrely she cant all for this fool again. Once bitten twice shy.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes sorry to say I think she will ,unless she hears them talk about them going in toilet,because what I can gather she doesnt know that bit yet ? could be wrong

[Z]

I reckon she will, she'll be alone with him for however many days just the two of them, she fell for him in about 3 days flat, she'll fall for it again

[joeysteele]

Yes, becasue it almost now seems to be like a competition as to who gets him. between Casey and Jasmine.
They must be really desperate women is all I can say to put up with being played like he is doing to them.

[MrWong]

Sadly, yes.

[Josy]

So whats the procedure when I address royalty like yourself Josy. Bow, kiss the ring, do I have to call you by a different title?

:joker:

Just Josy will do thanks.

[Jack_]

I can't see it personally but I'm so totally a bad person for hoping she kinda does purely for the even more twisted, confusing, ****ed up drama that'll be caused when they eventually return aren't I? :D

[GiRTh]

:joker:

Just Josy will do thanks.Good to see you havent changed and will still slum it with us undesirable.:joker:

[sampvt]

I can't see it personally but I'm so totally a bad person for hoping she kinda does purely for the even more twisted, confusing, ****ed up drama that'll be caused when they eventually return aren't I? :D

Short and to point post devoid of psyco babble and very plausible. Well done. Sadly you might be right as well.

[smeagol]

yep she will fall for it. he will be up her bolt hole like dirty rat

[Z]

I can't see it personally but I'm so totally a bad person for hoping she kinda does purely for the even more twisted, confusing, ****ed up drama that'll be caused when they eventually return aren't I? :D

I must be a bad person too then :D

[seanraff07]

Unfortunately I think she will too, god knows why as the guy is a nutjob

[PrincessIona]

Yes, I'll be shocked if she doesn't. What a silly girl she is

[seanraff07]

Yes sorry to say I think she will ,unless she hears them talk about them going in toilet,because what I can gather she doesnt know that bit yet ? could be wrong

I think she does know, as Emma said Jasmine told her that they had kissed? I'm assuming she knows they kissed in the toilet.

[erinp5]

11.36 Emotions are getting the better of poor old Lee
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdfqlznCQAAyKaV.png

[MeMyselfAndI]

She would have if it were not for the booes Lee recieved, I think he'll turn around a lot of the public and make the final still.

[Benjamin]

Probably because she is desperate for air time.

[MrWong]

She would have if it were not for the booes Lee recieved, I think he'll turn around a lot of the public and make the final still.

11.36 Emotions are getting the better of poor old Lee
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdfqlznCQAAyKaV.png

Well from the pic above he's already turned on the tears.

[erinp5]

12.13am: Casey just asked Lee if he's after a spanking tonight. "That ship has sunk, hasn't it?" he replies. Yep

[Sophiee]

I don't think so after all the drama it caused the first time around. I hope she doesn't because she deserves better than him, though it wouldn't be bad entertainment if she did :D.

[Vanessa]

I don't think so after all the drama it caused the first time around. I hope she doesn't because she deserves better than him, though it wouldn't be bad entertainment if she did :D.

Would be funny if it happened. :joker:

[Jords]

Shed be a massive idiot to but that said could be a good move on her part to play along like it. If she goes into the DR like "I dont know whether to trust him or not..." etc. slowly 'allows' herself to 'fall' for him again then goes backs in the house and gets her heart 'broken' once more, then the public are gonna be Team Casey and baying for Lee and Jasmine blood.

Depends if she wants to play :laugh:

[Vicky.]

I dont think she fell for him in the first place really. Shes playing a very good game ;)

[Vanessa]

I dont think she fell for him in the first place really. Shes playing a very good game ;)

She seems a bit bunny boiler to me. :suspect:

[Mystic Mock]

While in the Bolt Hole will Casey fall for Lee's charm (sleaziness) again?

She never fell for it in the first place, they're both fake twats of the highest order.

[newsbb]

I hope soo! so she comes back into the guns tits blazin...

[Semtex]

Nah, she's not the sharpest, but I think she knows the wave of support obtained lately would be lost in a breath.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

He reminds me so much of my ex, twisting things to make you feel sorry for him.

He will be banging her right about now probably.

[Lister of Smeg]

He reminds me so much of my ex, twisting things to make you feel sorry for him.

He will be banging her right about now probably.

If thats true then its the girls fault for being a mug and believing him .

[Semtex]

He reminds me so much of my ex, twisting things to make you feel sorry for him.

He will be banging her right about now probably.

Well if he is I hope the next thing he twists is a testicle. :devil:

[thesheriff443]

she will!, her idea of showing lee that she would make a good gf, was to suck him off,
add to the fact that lee cant string two words together makes her even more of a Muppet.
new saying for these types, celebrity trash!

[sampvt]

He reminds me so much of my ex, twisting things to make you feel sorry for him.

He will be banging her right about now probably.

Why would your x boyfriend be banging Casey right now, did you manage to turn him.

[sampvt]

A couple have said it on here and I said it days ago, they are all of them, all 3 I mean, in it to win it and they have little or no respect for themselves, outside gaining airtime and fame at any cost. The slappers are looking for the mag deals and Lee is a typical fame ***** that thinks his past notoriety gives him a licence to shag everything that walks.

Everyone thinks that Lee will settle down now and be the nice guy. Sorry but he is way too vain to think he is in the wrong, all he batters on about is that he never did the wrong thing. He will want to be Caseys BFF now and expect Jaz to fall at his feet when he goes back in the house but if Jaz slags him off behind his back, he will go hand in hand with Casey to the nearest Bog saying it was you all the time and Jaz was just an itch I had to scratch.

[Z]

A couple have said it on here and I said it days ago, they are all of them, all 3 I mean, in it to win it and they have little or no respect for themselves, outside gaining airtime and fame at any cost. The slappers are looking for the mag deals and Lee is a typical fame ***** that thinks his past notoriety gives him a licence to shag everything that walks.

Everyone thinks that Lee will settle down now and be the nice guy. Sorry but he is way too vain to think he is in the wrong, all he batters on about is that he never did the wrong thing. He will want to be Caseys BFF now and expect Jaz to fall at his feet when he goes back in the house but if Jaz slags him off behind his back, he will go hand in hand with Casey to the nearest Bog saying it was you all the time and Jaz was just an itch I had to scratch.

Lee's pathetic, I agree with you, he thinks he's entitled to do whatever he wants because he was a somebody once upon a time.

[Vanessa]

Lee is a player, but Casey is coming across very bunny boilerish. :shocked:

[MrWong]

Lee is a player, but Casey is coming across very bunny boilerish. :shocked:

No she isn't.

That was what Lee painted her as to justify treating her badly.

[Vanessa]

No she isn't.

That was what Lee painted her as to justify treating her badly.

She's acting too needy. Maybe that's why Lee is backing off.

[Kazanne]

If she does,I have no sympathy for her,she deserves all she gets

[Vanessa]

If she does,I have no sympathy for her,she deserves all she gets

It's been a few days and she thought they were a couple. :conf:

[MrWong]

She's acting too needy. Maybe that's why Lee is backing off.

Getting upset about being played isn't what i'd describe as needy.

Lee backed off because he moved on to the next girl.

You're just parroting his pathetic excuse.

[Vanessa]

Getting upset about being played isn't what i'd describe as needy.

Lee backed off because he moved on to the next girl.

You're just parroting his pathetic excuse.

No, i can't stand Lee. He's a player. But she seems obessed with him. I think she'll go back to him.

[MrWong]

No, i can't stand Lee. He's a player. But she seems obessed with him. I think she'll go back to him.

So what if you can't stand him. You're still parroting his pathetic excuse.

He was all over Casey, then the very next day all over Jasmine.

He made Casey look like a mug so it's no wonder she was upset.

[Vanessa]

So what if you can't stand him. You're still parroting his pathetic excuse.

He was all over Casey, then the very next day all over Jasmine.

He made Casey look like a mug so it's no wonder she was upset.

I agree he's a rat, but she still likes him. She needs to stay away from him.

[Sophiee]

It's been a few days and she thought they were a couple. :conf:
no she never. where are people getting this from? :conf: she knows full well there was nothing between them, but being all over her, cuddling and snogging her in bed and then doing the exact same with another girl a couple of days later wouldn't sit right with anyone.

[Z]

She's acting too needy. Maybe that's why Lee is backing off.

It's the push/pull dynamic, the more Casey wants him, the less he wants her... the less interested Jasmine is, the more he wants her...

[Vanessa]

no she never. where are people getting this from? :conf: she knows full well there was nothing between them, but being all over her, cuddling and snogging her in bed and then doing the exact same with another girl a couple of days later wouldn't sit right with anyone.

But i think her neediness pushed him away.

[Vanessa]

It's the push/pull dynamic, the more Casey wants him, the less he wants her... the less interested Jasmine is, the more he wants her...

This is spot on!

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive 40m

12.58pm: Casey and Lee are back to being BFFs. All it took was a fake eviction and a bolt hole. #bbuklive

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

GFGPSx6cPN0

[Vanessa]

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive 40m

12.58pm: Casey and Lee are back to being BFFs. All it took was a fake eviction and a bolt hole. #bbuklive

I like Casey, but this is not a good idea. :joker:

[Z]

GFGPSx6cPN0

:joker: Somehow don't think Lee really believed in these lyrics eh!

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

:joker: Somehow don't think Lee really believed in these lyrics eh!

Tonight is Lasey loving night, one love <3

[Vanessa]

Tonight is Lasey loving night, one love <3

But when they go back to the House Lee will go back to Jasmine. Casey is going to get hurt.

[Livia]

If Casey lets him smarm around her again, they bloodwell deserve each other.

[Vanessa]

If Casey lets him smarm around her again, they bloodwell deserve each other.

He's a player. Can't be trusted.

[Livia]

He's a player. Can't be trusted.

It amazes me that someone so bland and cringey could possibly be a player! He's just awful...

[Vanessa]

It amazes me that someone so bland and cringey could possibly be a player! He's just awful...

I know, right? I don't get it as well. :shrug:

[MrWong]

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive 11m
1.44pm: Casey is explaining what Lee done wrong, again. He still doesn't seem to get it. #bbuklive

He's either in denial or an incredibly stupid ****.

[Vanessa]

It amazes me that someone so bland and cringey could possibly be a player! He's just awful...

Big Brother Live ‏@BBUKLive 11m
1.44pm: Casey is explaining what Lee done wrong, again. He still doesn't seem to get it. #bbuklive

He's either in denial or an incredibly stupid ****.

these two! :joker:

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

But when they go back to the House Lee will go back to Jasmine. Casey is going to get hurt.

Jasmine might be gone depending ont he twist on friday. hell hath no fury like a women scorned.... :devil:

[Vanessa]

Jasmine might be gone depending ont he twist on friday. hell hath no fury like a women scorned.... :devil:

What if Jasmine stays? :o

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

What if Jasmine stays? :o

Then get the popcorn ready... :dance: fight fight foght. :devil:

[Vanessa]

Then get the popcorn ready... :dance: fight fight foght. :devil:

:joker:http://24.media.tumblr.com/9f970b8408482230e73f92859d7c7cf4/tumblr_mfg62wD6Q51s11cz1o1_400.gif

[Deebo]

Whether or not Casey and Lee get it on again is entirely down to Lee. Casey has literally no say in the matter, such is Lee's allure

[Vanessa]

Whether or not Casey and Lee get it on again is entirely down to Lee. Casey has literally no say in the matter, such is Lee's allure

I think she likes him. :hugesmile:

[Z]

He has an ugly face, I've never understood the attraction to him.

[Niamh.]

I think she likes him. :hugesmile:

I don't. i think she likes the idea of a showmance and there are really no other options other than Lee. Ollie doesn't seem up for a showmance and I'd rather eat my own face off then go near Dappy

[erinp5]

3.10pm: Lee is convinced that Jasmine fancies Ollie. Interesting theory

3.27pm: Ollie and Jasmine are very tactile, so he could be right

[Vanessa]

3.10pm: Lee is convinced that Jasmine fancies Ollie. Interesting theory

3.27pm: Ollie and Jasmine are very tactile, so he could be right

Jasmine is the female equivalent of Lee! :joker:

[Niamh.]

3.10pm: Lee is convinced that Jasmine fancies Ollie. Interesting theory

3.27pm: Ollie and Jasmine are very tactile, so he could be right

Ollie is a much more attractive option than Lee or Dappy although why would he want to go near her, she already had Dappy and Lees bits rubbed all over her :yuk:

[Z]

Ollie is a much more attractive option than Lee or Dappy although why would he want to go near her, she already had Dappy and Lees bits rubbed all over her :yuk:

Maybe he wants Dappy and Lee's bits rubbed all over him and this is the closest he'll get :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Maybe he wants Dappy and Lee's bits rubbed all over him and this is the closest he'll get :shrug:

Ew no :nono:

[alex_front2]

Yep, she will.

Either she needs a showmance as she's easily the least famous or she is really clingy to get soo upset at someone she met 72 hours before flirting with another girl.

[Vanessa]

Yep, she will.

Either she needs a showmance as she's easily the least famous or she is really clingy to get soo upset at someone she met 72 hours before flirting with another girl.

She's very clingy. I bet Lee wants to do a runner! :joker:

[Z]

Yep, she will.

Either she needs a showmance as she's easily the least famous or she is really clingy to get soo upset at someone she met 72 hours before flirting with another girl.

Could be right but I just think that because they're around each other all the time, everything must feel so much more exaggerated than what it'd be like outside of the house; plus he was just as into it as she was before he did a u-turn and switched to Jasmine

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Lee Ryan shows Casey his 'V'

xG--IB01oPU

Very flirty even before night comparing bums... :xyxwave:

[erinp5]

Casey Batchelor had a major argument with Lee Ryan over his relationship with Casey Batchelor after they were voted in to Celebrity Big Brother 2014′s secret ‘Bolt Hole’.

During last night’s live show, the pair were fake evicted from the main house – before being told by host Emma Willis that viewers had in fact chosen them to live in the private room.

While in the outside world, they had a brief insight in to how the public has reacted to Lee’s ‘love triangle’ – which left Casey in tears on Tuesday – with the former targeted with ‘Get Lee Out’ chants, while the latter spotted supportive posters in the crowd as they cheered her.

Inevitably, their new knowledge sparked another intense discussion about the debacle just as they settled in to the cramped Bolt Hole, which includes a TV allowing them to watch a live feed of the other housemates.

“Do you know what, I laid there all last night watching you both next to me, holding hands, blowing kisses at each other. I saw it all,” said Casey.

“I thought you were asleep,” claimed Lee. “Why are you so bothered?”

“Because I felt like my feelings had been completely disregarded,” explained the glamour model. “I’m not bothered about being with you, I’m already over that.”

“You don’t sound like it,” muttered the Blue singer. “I haven’t disregarded your feelings. I’ve thought about the fact that I actually really like her. We was together, chained together, I had a right laugh with you and we had whatever we had. I didn’t know that I’d have feelings for her.”

“You could have waited instead of doing it in front of my face,” pointed out Casey.

“I tried but it’s hard when you actually do like someone for ****** sake,” snapped Lee. “What am I supposed to do? Me and you weren’t together anyway. I didn’t say I love you, I said I like you. I’ve never said I wanted to be your boyfriend, so why are you tripping?”

“You don’t understand? I think everyone outside understands,” Casey smirked.

At this point, Lee visited the Diary Room, where he became teary-eyed himself – and upon his return the two managed to clear the air.

“I never meant for it to happen like this, it’s just happened. I really like Jasmine,” sniffed Lee.

“I don’t want it to be awkward with us,” mused Casey. “The whole point of the programme is to get us to cry, to get our emotions to go up and down.”

“If I didn’t like her I wouldn’t care. Now we’ve got to go back in the house and it’ll be weird,” continued Lee. “Jasmine’s been through a lot in her life. I didn’t want to hurt you, but I just connected with her because of what we’ve both been through in a way.”

Lee and Casey will return to the main house to ‘drop a bombshell’ during tomorrow night’s show, which will also feature an eviction twist, with the two nominees that poll the least public votes to save being put in the firing line.

Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/cbb13/news/0109/lee-ryan-casey-batchelor-major-row-over-jasmine-waltz-celebrity-big-brother-2014-bolt-hole#ixzz2pvumeWee

[Vanessa]

Casey Batchelor had a major argument with Lee Ryan over his relationship with Casey Batchelor after they were voted in to Celebrity Big Brother 2014′s secret ‘Bolt Hole’.

During last night’s live show, the pair were fake evicted from the main house – before being told by host Emma Willis that viewers had in fact chosen them to live in the private room.

While in the outside world, they had a brief insight in to how the public has reacted to Lee’s ‘love triangle’ – which left Casey in tears on Tuesday – with the former targeted with ‘Get Lee Out’ chants, while the latter spotted supportive posters in the crowd as they cheered her.

Inevitably, their new knowledge sparked another intense discussion about the debacle just as they settled in to the cramped Bolt Hole, which includes a TV allowing them to watch a live feed of the other housemates.

“Do you know what, I laid there all last night watching you both next to me, holding hands, blowing kisses at each other. I saw it all,” said Casey.

“I thought you were asleep,” claimed Lee. “Why are you so bothered?”

“Because I felt like my feelings had been completely disregarded,” explained the glamour model. “I’m not bothered about being with you, I’m already over that.”

“You don’t sound like it,” muttered the Blue singer. “I haven’t disregarded your feelings. I’ve thought about the fact that I actually really like her. We was together, chained together, I had a right laugh with you and we had whatever we had. I didn’t know that I’d have feelings for her.”

“You could have waited instead of doing it in front of my face,” pointed out Casey.

“I tried but it’s hard when you actually do like someone for ****** sake,” snapped Lee. “What am I supposed to do? Me and you weren’t together anyway. I didn’t say I love you, I said I like you. I’ve never said I wanted to be your boyfriend, so why are you tripping?”

“You don’t understand? I think everyone outside understands,” Casey smirked.

At this point, Lee visited the Diary Room, where he became teary-eyed himself – and upon his return the two managed to clear the air.

“I never meant for it to happen like this, it’s just happened. I really like Jasmine,” sniffed Lee.

“I don’t want it to be awkward with us,” mused Casey. “The whole point of the programme is to get us to cry, to get our emotions to go up and down.”

“If I didn’t like her I wouldn’t care. Now we’ve got to go back in the house and it’ll be weird,” continued Lee. “Jasmine’s been through a lot in her life. I didn’t want to hurt you, but I just connected with her because of what we’ve both been through in a way.”

Lee and Casey will return to the main house to ‘drop a bombshell’ during tomorrow night’s show, which will also feature an eviction twist, with the two nominees that poll the least public votes to save being put in the firing line.

Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/cbb13/news/0109/lee-ryan-casey-batchelor-major-row-over-jasmine-waltz-celebrity-big-brother-2014-bolt-hole#ixzz2pvumeWee

Bunny boiler alert! :shocked:

[erinp5]

I think they both went in with a showmance agenda.

[Z]

Oh dear.

[Vanessa]

Oh dear.

Michelle Bass 2 ! :joker:

[Z]

Michelle Bass 2 ! :joker:

I don't think she has the fire for it :laugh: I reckon she's more the sad weeping type who'd probably watch their wedding from a telescope or something

[Jake.]

I don't think she has the fire for it :laugh: I reckon she's more the sad weeping type who'd probably watch their wedding from a telescope or something

A telescope? :laugh2:

[Vanessa]

I don't think she has the fire for it :laugh: I reckon she's more the sad weeping type who'd probably watch their wedding from a telescope or something

There's no way she'll let hm go without a fight. :devil:

[erinp5]

Looks like it's back on.They are in the bathroom with the taps on and we know what that's the sign for .:hugesmile:

Day 7: The bathroom blues
In seven days Lee Ryan has earned himself something of a reputation as a House Lothario but having spent his formative years hanging round ... Read more

In seven days Lee Ryan has earned himself something of a reputation as a House Lothario but having spent his formative years hanging round in showbiz circles, you'd think the lad would know a thing or two about where to take a lady.

Not so, it would seem. The boy from Blue has been entertaining ladies in the loo. If you thought his taps on smoochfest with Jasmine in the UFO's smallest room was a one off, then think again.

Tonight we observed another potential wooing in the WC as Lee and Casey shut themselves away and turned on the taps.

But despite the couple being cooped up in isolation, there's still three people in this relationship.

Leaving his lady in the lav, Lee was about to bed down for the night when he spied Jasmine on his small screen and suddenly Casey was a distant memory.

You might find this hard to believe, but Jasmine wasn't talking about how much she missed Lee or anything even vaguely Lee related so our resident Romeo lost interest and went back to the bathroom.

He and Casey emerged together, had a conversation about facewipes then returned once more to the room that we believe could reignite their romance. And turned on the taps.

Will this game of rest room roulette continue all night and could it be enough to bring our lovebirds back together? We'll flush this one out and let you know.

[Vanessa]

Looks like it's back on.They are in the bathroom with the taps on and we know what that's the sign for .:hugesmile:

Day 7: The bathroom blues
In seven days Lee Ryan has earned himself something of a reputation as a House Lothario but having spent his formative years hanging round ... Read more

In seven days Lee Ryan has earned himself something of a reputation as a House Lothario but having spent his formative years hanging round in showbiz circles, you'd think the lad would know a thing or two about where to take a lady.

Not so, it would seem. The boy from Blue has been entertaining ladies in the loo. If you thought his taps on smoochfest with Jasmine in the UFO's smallest room was a one off, then think again.

Tonight we observed another potential wooing in the WC as Lee and Casey shut themselves away and turned on the taps.

But despite the couple being cooped up in isolation, there's still three people in this relationship.

Leaving his lady in the lav, Lee was about to bed down for the night when he spied Jasmine on his small screen and suddenly Casey was a distant memory.

You might find this hard to believe, but Jasmine wasn't talking about how much she missed Lee or anything even vaguely Lee related so our resident Romeo lost interest and went back to the bathroom.

He and Casey emerged together, had a conversation about facewipes then returned once more to the room that we believe could reignite their romance. And turned on the taps.

Will this game of rest room roulette continue all night and could it be enough to bring our lovebirds back together? We'll flush this one out and let you know.

Wait until they go back to the House. She won't ket him anywhere near Jasmine. :joker:

[erinp5]

Wait until they go back to the House. She won't ket him anywhere near Jasmine. :joker:

But he will still try.:joker:

[Vanessa]

But he will still try.:joker:

She'll have to keep him on a short leash! :joker:

[Z]

A telescope? :laugh2:

Yeah she won't be invited, she'll just be sitting miserably with a wedding veil on whispering "it should have been me" while watching from afar :joker:

[Vanessa]

Yeah she won't be invited, she'll just be sitting miserably with a wedding veil on whispering "it should have been me" while watching from afar :joker:

:laugh2:

[Jake.]

Yeah she won't be invited, she'll just be sitting miserably with a wedding veil on whispering "it should have been me" while watching from afar :joker:

With the mole on her chin looking through the lens :joker:

[Z]

Maybe Leona Lewis - Happy or Lana Del Rey - Video Games playing in the background... or Blue - One Love :laugh:

[Jake.]

Oo i'm imagining Video Games now, it's going well together

[Z]

Oo i'm imagining Video Games now, it's going well together

:pipe2:

[Jake.]

:pipe: >>

[Z]

:pipe: >>

The Jasmine to :pipe2:'s Casey :flutter:

[Jake.]

The Jasmine to :pipe2:'s Casey :flutter:

Haha!

[Ammi]

..I don't think that Casey is a bunny boiler at all..I think she..(and Lee..) went for the 'showmance..' and then he's messed her around in that he's said he likes Jasmine more and she probably feels a bit stupid and ego dented because everyone's watching...so she's then said that she has feelings for him or whatever just because then that gains sympathy from the viewers...I think that they're both as bad as each other, although he is worse in character, I don't think she could care one way or the other about him...