Luisa faces the wrath of Jim and Lionel vid

[erinp5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YbQOJ9ewZ8
2YbQOJ9ewZ8

[erinp5]

1.51am: Luisa has finally left the Diary Room after a long heart-to-heart with Big Brother. It's been a long, emotional evening

[erinp5]

'I want the young ones here because it's like living in an old folk home' that's what upset Lionel.

[Scream]

I'm sure Lionel would be the first to say he'd rather live with the older ones. He's so annoying. He's the only one that is staring to piss me off.

[erinp5]

I'm sure Lionel would be the first to say he'd rather live with the older ones. He's so annoying. He's the only one that is staring to piss me off.

I feel that way about Luisa .

[Mystic Mock]

I'm sure Lionel would be the first to say he'd rather live with the older ones. He's so annoying. He's the only one that is staring to piss me off.

He has some hypocritical traits that are rather annoying.

[erinp5]

Jim should tell Linda about the menopause comment Luisa made about her .I doubt she would cuddle Luisa and be so understanding .:hugesmile:

[Kizzy]

She's always making silly ageist comments like that, I'm stunned she was picked for the apprentice, she's so juvenile.

[Lowkey]

Like I said before. She can dish it out but can't take it. Watch her play the victim.

[Jords]

I understand the OAPs point of view.

[Brother Leon]

That Ageism there. Good on Lionel speaking up.

[erinp5]

Like I said before. She can dish it out but can't take it. Watch her play the victim.

In a nutshell.

[jet]

I can understand Lionel being upset whether Luisa meant it as a joke or not. He's 82 after all and fitting in well. It can't be easy being 82 in a house full of people 20 - 60 years younger. He's a game old boy with a young spirit.

[Z]

This is exactly why I think she has a superiority complex. She cannot understand why other people could possibly comprehend her as being anything other than her perfect self. She doesn't understand why people hate her or misinterpret her, it's their problem, not hers, she knows what she means so why don't other people? Then when she's called out on one of her flaws, she completely loses her cool and can't handle the criticism at all. She absolutely meant what she said but she didn't even for a second think about how that could possibly offend other people, and when it did, she couldn't comprehend why anyone was getting upset with her - which then upset her in turn. She's ridiculous. Just like Lee. No self awareness.

[jet]

This is exactly why I think she has a superiority complex. She cannot understand why other people could possibly comprehend her as being anything other than her perfect self. She doesn't understand why people hate her or misinterpret her, it's their problem, not hers, she knows what she means so why don't other people? Then when she's called out on one of her flaws, she completely loses her cool and can't handle the criticism at all. She absolutely meant what she said but she didn't even for a second think about how that could possibly offend other people, and when it did, she couldn't comprehend why anyone was getting upset with her - which then upset her in turn. She's ridiculous. Just like Lee. No self awareness.

Well said!

[Northern Monkey]

She should have just appologised as soon as she realised she'd been offensive,That would've defused the whole argument.

[Z]

She should have just appologised as soon as she realised she'd been offensive,That would've defused the whole argument.

Should have... but, if I'm right in my judgment of her, it's not in her nature to apologise, because Luisa cannot accept that she could have made a mistake. Even her apologies aren't even worded in a way that admits error on her behalf - she's sorry that people are upset with her; she isn't sorry that they are upset. She's sorry that people have a problem with her, she's not sorry for the problem.

[Northern Monkey]

Should have... but, if I'm right in my judgment of her, it's not in her nature to apologise, because Luisa cannot accept that she could have made a mistake. Even her apologies aren't even worded in a way that admits error on her behalf - she's sorry that people are upset with her; she isn't sorry that they are upset. She's sorry that people have a problem with her, she's not sorry for the problem.

Yeah,I think you maybe right there.

[Z]

I do have to say though... being unapologetic for who you are and what you think is a quality that gets a person far in life; no wonder she was on The Apprentice, she's got the kind of personality that allows her to have complete confidence in her decisions. That's an admirable quality to possess, I think, even if in situations like this, it lands her in trouble.

[Kizzy]

She misinterprets her own rudeness as 'real' and 'honest' opinions, but is so quick to point it out in others.
She turned on the waterworks tonight as she realised she was in the wrong, but instead of being adult and apologising for upsetting lionel she reacted with childish bewilderment.... daft tart.

[Kizzy]

She misinterprets her own rudeness as 'real' and 'honest' opinions, but is so quick to point it out in others.
She turned on the waterworks tonight as she realised she was in the wrong, but instead of being adult and apologising for upsetting lionel she reacted with childish bewilderment.... daft tart.

[CaudleHalbard]

Luisa and Dappy seem to be competing for the title of Most Obnoxious Housemate! Lol! ;)

[Z]

She misinterprets her own rudeness as 'real' and 'honest' opinions, but is so quick to point it out in others.
She turned on the waterworks tonight as she realised she was in the wrong, but instead of being adult and apologising for upsetting lionel she reacted with childish bewilderment.... daft tart.

:worship: Definitely how I see it as well. I'm glad we're getting something else to talk about other than Lee's sleazing, it was getting a bit boring. I think Luisa's going to attract a lot of hatred.

[MarcusMel]

This is exactly why I think she has a superiority complex. She cannot understand why other people could possibly comprehend her as being anything other than her perfect self. She doesn't understand why people hate her or misinterpret her, it's their problem, not hers, she knows what she means so why don't other people? Then when she's called out on one of her flaws, she completely loses her cool and can't handle the criticism at all. She absolutely meant what she said but she didn't even for a second think about how that could possibly offend other people, and when it did, she couldn't comprehend why anyone was getting upset with her - which then upset her in turn. She's ridiculous. Just like Lee. No self awareness.

It is ONE way of looking at it. Perhaps she is frustrated that she is not understood by other people. A person with many ideas coming into their head may find it difficult to choose one, focus on it and communicate it. She may not even know she is perceived as having a Superiority Complex. Simply reflects and has the attitudes of her parents and friends. Going outside of that group she finds that she is not understood. We think we hear words we understand but how sure are we that her meaning is correctly communicated.
Perhaps when you say she is not handling criticism something else like frustrations of being misunderstood is what is actually being shown.

I make this deduction based on the way she must have in her business life handled failure as a learning process to adjust it to success.

[newsbb]

Lionel needs to ****... end of.

[Z]

It is ONE way of looking at it. Perhaps she is frustrated that she is not understood by other people. A person with many ideas coming into their head may find it difficult to choose one, focus on it and communicate it. She may not even know she is perceived as having a Superiority Complex. Simply reflects and has the attitudes of her parents and friends. Going outside of that group she finds that she is not understood. We think we hear words we understand but how sure are we that her meaning is correctly communicated.
Perhaps when you say she is not handling criticism something else like frustrations of being misunderstood is what is actually being shown.

I make this deduction based on the way she must have in her business life handled failure as a learning process to adjust it to success.

This is why I love when I really get into a series of Big Brother, and especially this series in particular, because I find that one minute I have a particular opinion, will post it and then find there's a really great response that challenges my opinion and a new way of looking at a situation. Great post :)! I think you're right, she is frustrated at being misunderstood because it seems to happen to her a lot - her meaning is rarely correctly communicated, something she can recognise, because she intends words in one way and they're often taken in another. What she fails to do is understand why her words are taken the wrong way, and how to avoid making the same mistake in the future... she's a welcome relief from the Casey/Lee/Jasmine stuff, that's for sure.

[reece(:]

From watching over the past week I find Lionel to be very hypocritical and do believe Luisa has a little bit of foot in mouth syndrome that she doesn't realise. She's still entertaining me very much so I do not discredit her for it.

[Ammi]

...hmmm, she may have offended Lionel with what she said, although I don't think it was an intent thing but just more thoughtless..but I thought the way that it was all brought up in a group thing was really wrong as well...they felt disrespected and yet they acted a bit like a 'pack' against her...

[Jemal]

If dappy said that, this forum - london riots would have nothing on it.

[Samm]

Luisa >>>>>>

[rusticgal]

She misinterprets her own rudeness as 'real' and 'honest' opinions, but is so quick to point it out in others.
She turned on the waterworks tonight as she realised she was in the wrong, but instead of being adult and apologising for upsetting lionel she reacted with childish bewilderment.... daft tart.

Whilst I like honest people who say it how it is....you have to use that honesty when its 'needed' to be said...and a bit of compassion when that honesty has offended someone shows that you care and that its not been said out of malice.

[Cherie]

If dappy said that, this forum - london riots would have nothing on it.

That it a very good point, because it is Luisa it is "honest", if it had been Dappy he would have been "a tool". She has voiced that opinion before to Jasmine so I think she knew what she was doing and being a little bit spiteful. It may not be an Old Peoples Home, but neither is it a Youth Hostel.

[Jake.]

Where I have a similar sense of humor (dry/sarcasm etc) I see where she's coming from and I also see how it can offend. One of my managers at work (who I really get on with, more like good friends) said to me around 5 months after I joined that she hated me due to me coming across as rude, and it took me a while to explain that it was just my sense of humor. I ended up really calming down with it, especially at work, so that she'd like me again lol.

[flamingGalah!]

Luisa is a nasty, two faced, bitchy, trollop... I'd actually rather have had the homophobic, animal abusing ex boxer stay over her... :idc:

[Black Dagger]

"****ing rude cow" pmsl.

[Kazanne]

I haven't much time for people who dismiss the older generation ,afterall we will all get there one day IF we are lucky,the world does not revolve around youngsters,I think Lionel is doing really well amongst some of those ignoramuses ,I'de have walked out ages ago.

[Livia]

Say something rude an offensive, then lay the blame at the feet of others because they don't "get" her sense of humour. Luisa is tactless and ignorant and one of my least favourites in the house.

[Gusto Brunt]

Luisa is a stupid, immature ignorant cow, who thinks it's an achievement in life to have multiple sex on a dirty carpet in someone seedy bedsit, and she has the cheek to insult lovely Lionel.

Utter disgrace.

[Lindsey b]

I like Luisa, I understand that it's her sense of humor! If people don't get it they will be offended! Now that she knows it is offending people she can try & rectify it & think before she speaks! Every1 is guilty of being bitchy in some way! Lionel is always bitching & putting Jim down! (Jealousy/competitive) Linda about Jim! Lee about Casey etc!

[Brother Leon]

If dappy said that, this forum - london riots would have nothing on it.

Don't be dumb fam. It's "telling it like it is" or "being fierce"...if that fails then it's a misunderstanding :laugh:

[MarcusMel]

It nice to know that the people posting are intentionally being offensive!

[GiRTh]

This is exactly why I think she has a superiority complex. She cannot understand why other people could possibly comprehend her as being anything other than her perfect self. She doesn't understand why people hate her or misinterpret her, it's their problem, not hers, she knows what she means so why don't other people? Then when she's called out on one of her flaws, she completely loses her cool and can't handle the criticism at all. She absolutely meant what she said but she didn't even for a second think about how that could possibly offend other people, and when it did, she couldn't comprehend why anyone was getting upset with her - which then upset her in turn. She's ridiculous. Just like Lee. No self awareness.Spot on. :thumbs:

[GiRTh]

It is ONE way of looking at it. Perhaps she is frustrated that she is not understood by other people. A person with many ideas coming into their head may find it difficult to choose one, focus on it and communicate it. She may not even know she is perceived as having a Superiority Complex. Simply reflects and has the attitudes of her parents and friends. Going outside of that group she finds that she is not understood. We think we hear words we understand but how sure are we that her meaning is correctly communicated.
Perhaps when you say she is not handling criticism something else like frustrations of being misunderstood is what is actually being shown.

I make this deduction based on the way she must have in her business life handled failure as a learning process to adjust it to success.I dont think she is being misunderstood I think she uses it as an excuse for her frankly obnoxious personality. Once again it everyone else fault not hers. Everyone else needs to adapt to accommodate her. I find little to like in this woman.

[wendywillow]

Luisa and Dappy seem to be competing for the title of Most Obnoxious Housemate! Lol!



dappys to lose (imo) the playing to the cameras is not fun to watch

[MarcusMel]

I dont think she is being misunderstood I think she uses it as an excuse for her frankly obnoxious personality. Once again it everyone else fault not hers. Everyone else needs to adapt to accommodate her. I find little to like in this woman.

Yes it is easy to not like someone. It is harder to take the time to understand someone you don't like. After all what is the point in asking why a person does what we don't like and trying to understand them and thier motives? Lets just stay in our comfort zone and not like it and not try to learn something new.

[GiRTh]

Yes it is easy to not like someone. It is harder to take the time to understand someone you don't like. After all what is the point in asking why a person does what we don't like and trying to understand them and thier motives? Lets just stay in our comfort zone and not like it and not try to learn something new.
What about that person asking themselves why they rub people the wrong way? In my experience when someone is supposedly constantly misunderstood the problem usually lies with them and not with everyone else.

[MarcusMel]

What about that person asking themselves why they rub people the wrong way? In my experience when someone is supposedly constantly misunderstood the problem usually lies with them and not with everyone else.

People can only ever be themselves, discovering that self it the adventure of life. A person is responsible for themselves. That would include their reaction to other people. So what attitude keeps you smiling with people you don't like?

[GiRTh]

People can only ever be themselves, discovering that self it the adventure of life. A person is responsible for themselves. That would include their reaction to other people. So what attitude keeps you smiling with people you don't like?People can only ever be themselves? I dont accept that as an excuse for obnoxious behavior. I have a friend who I believe is a bit of a pyscho. He like upsetting people. He genuinely finds it funny to say the one thing that he knows will upset someone. But he's only being himself? And I've know him since he was 11 so I know what he's like and I actually really like him. Is it up to him to change or everyone else to just accept his very distasteful banter even though he has upset many people over the years.

[Z]

...hmmm, she may have offended Lionel with what she said, although I don't think it was an intent thing but just more thoughtless..but I thought the way that it was all brought up in a group thing was really wrong as well...they felt disrespected and yet they acted a bit like a 'pack' against her...

I saw it as more of an intervention. She was rude and she got the same level of rudeness back, but it came along with people trying to explain to her why she was being perceived in a way that she didn't intend and her response was to burst into tears and not accept that she had been offensive. Agree with Livia and GiRTh.

[Ammi]

I saw it as more of an intervention. She was rude and she got the same level of rudeness back, but it came along with people trying to explain to her why she was being perceived in a way that she didn't intend and her response was to burst into tears and not accept that she had been offensive. Agree with Livia and GiRTh.

...yeah, I do understand that she was probably offensive..(although I didn't hear exactly what she said..)..but I still think that Lionel could have spoken to her privately about it but instead they were all 'talking at her' at the table and I think that Linda maybe sensed her discomfort and that's why she backed off a bit and said that she could understand what Luisa was trying to say..?...imo, they did 'pack up' on her and that really wasn't very good...


..and it's not that I particularly like Luisa, but I still think that was why she cried and felt 'ganged up on..'....

[GiRTh]

I dont agree Ammi. Sorry. I think Luisa has quite a bit of bravado hence the 'its my personality' stance and the others should just accept it. She could have accepted what they said took it on board and they would have all moved on but no you must accept the way she is - 'its just the way I am,'. When they didnt accept the way she was then came the water works. I dont think they ganged up on her at all. She had an easy out from that conversation but she didnt take it and I think it was very manipulative of her and another unpleasant trait of hers to turn on the water works.

I dont like her very much. You might have noticed. :idc:

[smeagol]

its a shame theres always a old young divide. treat people as people is my view.

luisa speaks her mind but its not what you say its how you say it.

[Ammi]

I dont agree Ammi. Sorry. I think Luisa has quite a bit of bravado hence the 'its my personality' stance and the others should just accept it. She could have accepted what they said took it on board and they would have all moved on but no you must accept the way she is - 'its just the way I am,'. When they didnt accept the way she was then came the water works. I dont think they ganged up on her at all. She had an easy out from that conversation but she didnt take it and I think it was very manipulative of her and another unpleasant trait of hers to turn on the water works.

I dont like her very much. You might have noticed. :idc:

..no, you've hidden it well but tbh..:laugh:...I'm not a huge fan of Luisa myself and find she's been quite manipulative in a few things and although she probably was rude about 'OAPs'..for me that doesn't detract from the fact that she did appear 'talked at' by several people and that couldn't have been pleasant at all and would probably bring someone to tears...I just don't think they were very good in how they handled it...

[Z]

I dont agree Ammi. Sorry. I think Luisa has quite a bit of bravado hence the 'its my personality' stance and the others should just accept it. She could have accepted what they said took it on board and they would have all moved on but no you must accept the way she is - 'its just the way I am,'. When they didnt accept the way she was then came the water works. I dont think they ganged up on her at all. She had an easy out from that conversation but she didnt take it and I think it was very manipulative of her and another unpleasant trait of hers to turn on the water works.

I dont like her very much. You might have noticed. :idc:

Absolutely agree with this. She wasn't upset because she had upset her fellow housemates and she was sorry for what she had said. She was upset because people were angry at her. I don't think they even ganged up on her; three people told her that they didn't appreciate what she said, one of them backed off when it was pressed by the other two who barely even raised their voices when talking about it with her.

[Lee.]

Luisa is just one of those highly unpleasant, unlikeable people who think it's their right to say whatever the **** they want to whoever they please, regardless of who it hurts or offends!
This "but at least I say it how it is" attitude is just a poor excuse for being ignorant, rude and having no social awareness!

[Livia]

Luisa is just one of those highly unpleasant, unlikeable people who think it's their right to say whatever the **** they want to whoever they please, regardless of who it hurts or offends!
This "but at least I say it how it is" attitude is just a poor excuse for being ignorant, rude and having no social awareness!

How true! And yet... if someone tries to tell her like it is, a drama ensues.

[Lee.]

And yes, I agree she wasn't upset because she had offended people.. If this had been the case, we'd have seen remorse it heard the word "sorry". She was upset over being called out for her behaviour and possibly making her look bad to the public!

[Z]

And yes, I agree she wasn't upset because she had offended people.. If this had been the case, we'd have seen remorse it heard the word "sorry". She was upset over being called out for her behaviour and possibly making her look bad to the public!

Yup! Why am I never surprised you, Livia, GiRTh and I usually end up agreeing about housemates? :laugh:

[Chuckyegg]

She's finding out that she has to share the world with other people and they have lives too. I realised this when I was 4.

[Lee.]

Yup! Why am I never surprised you, Livia, GiRTh and I usually end up agreeing about housemates? :laugh:

Girth usually gets all over excited by tits and arse.. But he usually turns it around and sees things out way :laugh:

[Jemal]

I actually think luisa only has fans on forums lol.
Outside forums shes quite hated.
On twitter she gets slated even more than dappy/lee.
Rightly so. Really dont like her. Used too, but shes a twofaced bitch.

[GiRTh]

Girth usually gets all over excited by tits and arse.. But he usually turns it around and sees things out way :laugh:I've never been so insulted in my whole life :idc:

[Lee.]

I've never been so insulted in my whole life :idc:

:laugh2:

[GiRTh]

:laugh2:You know me too well. :joker:

[MarcusMel]

People can only ever be themselves? I dont accept that as an excuse for obnoxious behavior. I have a friend who I believe is a bit of a pyscho. He like upsetting people. He genuinely finds it funny to say the one thing that he knows will upset someone. But he's only being himself? And I've know him since he was 11 so I know what he's like and I actually really like him. Is it up to him to change or everyone else to just accept his very distasteful banter even though he has upset many people over the years.

How do parents handle a child that has found saying '*uck' gets them a lot of attention? Simple the attention reward is withdrawn and they stop. I suggest that your friend is attention seeking with his behaviour. Also the lesson he teaches is that the person he is upsetting has a belief that actually causes them a problem and would do well to learn to relax that belief.

Stress causes illness, relaxation and happiness causes health.

Lao Tzu - only your enemies will show you where you are weak.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Tonights episode is going to be amazing

[erinp5]

SHE may have been saved from the dreaded first eviction by Lee and Casey, but that doesn't mean that Luisa Zissman was in for a quiet night.


After losing her former bondage buddy Evander and welcoming the mischievous bolt hole residents back into the fold, the Apprentice star did the impossible and managed to strike up a feud with Lionel Blair.
The outspoken babe, who revealed that she has slept with multiple women and attended kinky sex parties, tried to explain to the group that she was only joking when she called her remaining housemates 'OAPs'.
Luisa claimed she said to housemates that after Casey and Lee's departure, the house was left with "the naughty ones", herself and Jasmine, "the perfect ones", Sam and Ollie, and the rest were OAPs.

She said: "That's not me being bitchy, it's me thinking that I'm funny."
But Jim and Lionel were less than impressed with the exhibitionist's comments.
Funnyman Jim failed to crack a smile, saying: "I don't think she was having a laugh, I thought it was rude."
But while the Generation Game host was quiet in his disapproval, Lionel was a bit more forward in letting Luisa know how he felt.
The star, who says that he is 59 "plus VAT", said: "I don't think she was having a laugh either. I think she was a rude *******ing cow. You do mean it, be honest."

While Linda tried to explain that that was just Luisa's humour, Lionel continued on his tirade, claiming that the busty businesswoman said that the house was like living in an old folk's home.
He said: "We've had such fun, and we've had laughs and everything, and you turn around and say that."
But while the game show legend eventually quietened down, Luisa couldn't end the argument there- and promptly burst into tears.
Linda and Lionel both went to hug her as she sobbed dramatically and insisted she didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

[MrWong]

Lionel wants to take offence because he doesn't like Luisa.

He did the same with Jasmine. Horrified when she's vulgar but would be less horrified with a man doing it :conf:

Then pretty vulgar himself the next night chatting about Deep Throat and a clit at the back of some womans throat.

[GiRTh]

How do parents handle a child that has found saying '*uck' gets them a lot of attention? Simple the attention reward is withdrawn and they stop. I suggest that your friend is attention seeking with his behaviour. Also the lesson he teaches is that the person he is upsetting has a belief that actually causes them a problem and would do well to learn to relax that belief.

Stress causes illness, relaxation and happiness causes health.

Lao Tzu - only your enemies will show you where you are weak.If only it were that simple. One of the things my friend did was tell a mutual friends girlfriend about all the women her boy friend had slept with behind her back. Still think its everyone else who's got the problem?. No its him who has the problem and we've tried every approach. We've tried subtlety, we've threatened him. Nothing gets thru cuz as I have said, I've known this guy since he was 11 so I've watched him turn into this person. Its not attention he's after, he genuinely find upsetting people funny. Hence why I think he's a borderline psycho. That makes him great company but what about when he upsets the wrong person.

I am a believer in behaviour modification. If something isnt working then you try something else. If no one gets you then its you who has the problem not everyone else.

[MarcusMel]

If only it were that simple. One of the things my friend did was tell a mutual friends girlfriend about all the women her boy friend had slept with behind her back. Still think its everyone else who's got the problem?. No its him who has the problem and we've tried every approach. We've tried subtlety, we've threatened him. Nothing gets thru cuz as I have said, I've known this guy since he was 11 so I've watched him turn into this person. Its not attention he's after, he genuinely find upsetting people funny. Hence why I think he's a borderline psycho. That makes him great company but what about when he upsets the wrong person.

I am a believer in behaviour modification. If something isnt working then you try something else. If no one gets you then its you who has the problem not everyone else.

Behaviour modification - I am a great believer in rational emotional behavioral therapy (REBT). Still we are now going off topic.

[chuff me dizzy]

You tell her Lionel :douf:, what a vile little bitch she is :fist: