The lovely Jim Davidson?

[jet]

I knew nothing about him but there was something about him that gave me the shivers, so I googled him:


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/JIM+DAVIDSON+EXPOSED%3A+MY+HELL+MARRIED+TO+CRUEL+T V+COMEDIAN%3A+SHAME+ON...-a079472756

JIM DAVIDSON EXPOSED: MY HELL MARRIED TO CRUEL TV COMEDIAN: SHAME ON HIS BOSSES AT BEEB.




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ANGRY ex-wife Alison Holloway launched a scathing attack on TV companies for turning four-times-married wife abuser Jim Davidson into a huge star.

She said: "Shame on people like the BBC for having this man as the standard bearer of family entertainment.

"He has no family values - for God's sake he's got five children by three separate wives.

"He's an alcoholic, self-confessed womaniser and violent bully. I wouldn't want my two children coming within 100 metres of him."

Alison also blasted Prince Charles - who presented Davidson with his OBE - and senior Conservatives for mixing with the Generation Game host.

She said: "Every time Prince Charles shakes his hand, every time the Tories ask him for support, they are condoning his actions.

"They are saying everything about you is OK but there is nothing OK about him at all."Every time he appears on TV there's a husband slapping his wife around somewhere and we are effectively saying it's OK to do this."

Alison explained that she had suffered in silence but decided after her parents Sylvia and Geoff died within seven weeks of each other last year that one day she'd set the record straight if Davidson kept smearing her.

She says: "They were really afraid of him because they had seen how he had bloodied and bruised my body.

"I felt the time is now right to tell the real truth about Jim Davidson.

"In his latest book Close To The Edge he dismisses our marriage as a nothing, that it never counted. How convenient. Well it wasn't for me.

"He is a wife beater and abuser of women and people ought to know that."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Davidson_(comedian)

Davidson has been known to make offensive jokes about ethnic minorities, homosexuals and disabled people in his stand-up act, which has made him a subject of negative media coverage and frequent criticism. The Shropshire Star reported that much of it has focused upon his divorce payments, income tax bills, and court orders for cancelled shows.[20]
In October 2003, Davidson refused to go on stage in Plymouth because he objected to wheelchair users in the front row. A spokesman for the Plymouth Pavilions, where he was performing as part of a national tour, said: "Jim Davidson apparently took exception to a number of wheelchair users in the front stalls of the Pavilions Arena. Mr Davidson cited the fact that a proportion of his act was aimed at disabled customers and that he would be unable to perform under these circumstances."[21]
Laurence Clark, himself a wheelchair user, in response performed a show called 'The Jim Davidson Guide to Equality' at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe in 2004. Clark refused to perform the show if Jim Davidson was in his audience.[22] Martin Fletcher describes Davidson as "extraordinarily foul-mouthed, racist, and sexist" and a "throwback";[23] whilst quoting Garry Bushell describing Davidson as a "family entertainer".
In 2002, Davidson's close friend, former 22 SAS soldier Charles "Nish" Bruce committed suicide[24] by jumping from a light aircraft at 5000 feet over Fyfield, Oxfordshire without a parachute whilst on a private flight home from Spain to Hinton Skydiving Centre.
Later in 2002, Davidson was escorted from the grounds of the Marriott Bristol Royal Hotel, after it was alleged that he had become confrontational and abusive to staff.[25]
In 2004, comedian Jimmy Carr threatened legal action against Davidson, accusing him of having plagiarised some of his comic material. Davidson responded by saying the claims were 'ridiculous', and no further action was taken.[26]
In October 2006, he was again accused of making insensitive jokes about cancer sufferers, blind people, a woman in a wheelchair, and the recent trial over the murder of Damilola Taylor, prompting a woman to walk out of the show in disgust. Davidson vehemently denied the charge, claiming that jokes about blind people and cancer sufferers would have merited a "mass walkout". He also said the comments about the Damilola Taylor trial were taken out of context: "My actual remark was that I thought the killers should be locked away forever. And if she objects to that then that is her prerogative. Davidson was also quoted as saying "If what I was saying was true I would have got up and left myself".[27] There where no other complaints about his performance on that night.
In 2007, Davidson was called on as a character witness to drug trafficker Brian Brendan Wright. Despite Davidson's testifying to Wright's character, the judge concluded that Wright was in fact "a master criminal, manipulative, influential and powerful," and sentenced him to 30 years in prison.[28]
In September 2007, on celebrity reality TV programme Hell's Kitchen, Brian Dowling mentioned comments made by fellow contestant Jim Davidson about Dowling's homosexuality. Davidson asked Dowling, "Are you on our side?" when referring to whether or not he would be participating for the boys or girls team, mentioned the term "shirt-lifter" in front of him, and repeatedly asked if he'd like to try on one of John Virgo's lovely waistcoats, which Davidson owns. Davidson later described himself as a "homophobic arsehole". The programme was broadcast on ITV on 4 September 2007.[29] On 10 September 2007 Davidson asked to leave Hell's Kitchen following further problems with Dowling.[29]
After Davidson's exit from the programme, the BBC reported that the broadcasting watchdog Ofcom had received 46 complaints alleging that Davidson had bullied Dowling. Ofcom concluded that nothing unacceptable had happened. ITV1, the channel which had originally broadcast the programme, issued a statement, regretting Davidson's "unacceptable remarks".[30]
In December 2007, Davidson again courted controversy when he made a joke about rape victims during a show at the Newark Palace Theatre, in Nottinghamshire. A local paper, the Nottingham Evening Post, stated that: "there were moments when he did stray too far over the line (most notably with a routine on rape)."[31]
In May 2010, Davidson was found guilty at Newton Abbot magistrates' court of a driving offence.[32] On 21 August 2013, Davidson was informed that he would not face any further action regarding the allegations of historic sex abuse, due to insufficient evidence.[33]

[Northern Monkey]

Ex wives and girlfriends are always making claims against famous men,They usually get paid for it.As for his comedy,It's the same as any comedian(Bernard Manning,Chubby Brown,Jimmy Carr etc).If you're easily offended you steer clear of these guys.

[jet]

Ex wives and girlfriends are always making claims against famous men,They usually get paid for it.As for his comedy,It's the same as any comedian(Bernard Manning,Chubby Brown,Jimmy Carr etc).If you're easily offended you steer clear of these guys.

It's not his comedy that bothers me in particular...it's his fists, his homophobia etc etc etc...

[King Gizzard]

His past is pretty common knowledge Lol

[jet]

His past is pretty common knowledge Lol

Not to me it wasn't - and I'm not laughing.
If it's that well known then he hasn't a hope of winning.

[Kizzy]

A wife beating bigot with criminal connections... And a staunch supporter of the tories naturally.
Blurgh, he makes me wretch.

[Josy]

His past is pretty common knowledge Lol

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

[Z]

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

I try to do that too... think he's a bit of a dick in general but in the house he's been fine so far, which stands him in good stead against everyone else in the house really.

[King Gizzard]

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

yeah, me too, same with when people give crappy nominations that aren't related to the house

[jet]

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

I don't. If they are arseholes outside of it, they are still arseholes no matter how they try to sugarcoat themselves in a 3 week slot.

[Josy]

yeah, me too, same with when people give crappy nominations that aren't related to the house

Yeah that annoys me

I don't. If they are arseholes outside of it, they are still arseholes no matter how they try to sugarcoat themselves in a 3 week slot.

Fair enough, I think everyone is entitled to the benefit of the doubt though, lots of people that feel wronged by celebrities sell stories about them that often tend not to be true, I am in no way saying that about Jim I had heard a lot about him from years ago but I still like to judge housemates on their actual behaviour in the house.

[Kizzy]

Am I watching a different show?
He's a moody old git, sure he's a manic depressive he's either singing and being all animated or moping about grumbling.

[jet]

Well, Evander was slated for his opinions about homosexuality (rightly so) yet Davidson gets a pass because his documented bigotry against Brian Dowling didn't happen in front of our noses on CBB? I don't get the logic. :conf:

[Josy]

Am I watching a different show?
He's a moody old git, sure he's a manic depressive he's either singing and being all animated or moping about grumbling.

I don't think he's moody not from what we have seen anyway, I think Linda tries to provoke him a lot and he does well to walk away from it every time.

Well, Evander was slated for his opinions about homosexuality (rightly so) yet Davidson gets a pass because his documented bigotry against Brian Dowling didn't happen in front of our noses on CBB? I don't get the logic. :conf:

I don't know how you come the conclusion he gets a pass? I'm only posting my own opinion of him in the house nothing else.

[Z]

Am I watching a different show?
He's a moody old git, sure he's a manic depressive he's either singing and being all animated or moping about grumbling.

I'm just enjoying Linda's rapid descent into desperately trying to tip him over the edge and him coolly palming her off and making her look stupid in the process. He's a grumpy old bugger but he's not said anything to make himself look stupid in the house, which is why he's one of the better housemates for me so far.

[jet]

Am I watching a different show?
He's a moody old git, sure he's a manic depressive he's either singing and being all animated or moping about grumbling.

Apparently so. I feel like I'm in an alternate CBB world where bigotry and wife beating are acceptable for 3 weeks if you did it before you walked through the magical golden door of the safe house.

[Josy]

Apparently so. I feel like I'm in an alternate CBB world where bigotry and wife beating are acceptable for 3 weeks if you did it before you walked through the magical golden door of the safe house.

Well you could really find something bad that most celebrities have done or supposed to have done in the past, but with your logic then no one would support any of them.

I have seen no one condoning anything that the celebs have done in the past or brushing things under the carpet but we can judge them on how they act or come across in the house because we watch it.

[Kizzy]

:laugh: Don't worry jet people like him can't function normally for long, one too many sherberts one night and the mask will slip.

[Josy]

:laugh: Don't worry jet people like him can't function normally for long, one too many sherberts one night and the mask will slip.

You would really hope for someone to lose their cool on TV just for the purpose of saying 'I TOLD YOU SO'? :laugh:

[Kizzy]

You would really hope for someone to lose their cool on TV just for the purpose of saying 'I TOLD YOU SO'? :laugh:

Just having my say like you joz :)

[jet]

Well you could really find something bad that most celebrities have done or supposed to have done in the past, but with your logic then no one would support any of them.

I have seen no one condoning anything that the celebs have done in the past or brushing things under the carpet but we can judge them on how they act or come across in the house because we watch it.

But they aren't in the CBB house and exposing themselves to scrutiny...
To me he's an arsehole outside and therefore he's still an arsehole and 3 weeks under a different roof trying to behave for the cameras won't make me give him a pass.

[jet]

:laugh: Don't worry jet people like him can't function normally for long, one too many sherberts one night and the mask will slip.

It would need to slip really dramatically for some to change their views I think. :hugesmile:

[Cherie]

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

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[Northern Monkey]

Everybody has a past,Most people have done things they're not proud of,But as Josy said,We're not judging them on their past,We're judging them on their performance on a gameshow,Also,People change as they get older,He may not be the same man he was 20 years ago.

[jet]

Well as I said there is something about him that doesn't ring true to me. I think he's holding himself well in check. But each to their own and I'm done talking about someone who normally I wouldn't waste my time on.

[Bojangles]

Well as I said there is something about him that doesn't ring true to me. I think he's holding himself well in check. But each to their own and I'm done talking about someone who normally I wouldn't waste my time on.

I prefer to go down the road of "Don't believe everything you read."

[Livia]

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

Couldn't agree more. People change and move on, maybe now he's off the booze he is a different person. It happens...

[flamingGalah!]

Everyone has a past, some people have done bad things in their past but people can change. Do people not deserve a second chance? Look at Paul Gascoigne, an ex alcoholic wife beater, yet because he was a good footballer he is put on a pedastal by many... Should we not think people can change? Should we not give people the benefit of the doubt? And should we not really just judge people on how they behave INSIDE the house?

I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, now I cannot stand him... Perhaps you should ignore what you have read & just judge Jim on how he is in there?...

[jet]

Everyone has a past, some people have done bad things in their past but people can change. Do people not deserve a second chance? Look at Paul Gascoigne, an ex alcoholic wife beater, yet because he was a good footballer he is put on a pedastal by many... Should we not think people can change? Should we not give people the benefit of the doubt? And should we not really just judge people on how they behave INSIDE the house?

I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, now I cannot stand him... Perhaps you should ignore what you have read & just judge Jim on how he is in there?...

I am judging him on how he is in there. I had heard of him of course but I knew nothing about him when he went in. I didn't like him and I wondered why he gave me a bad feeling so I googled him and found out.

[Kazanne]

Everyone has a past, some people have done bad things in their past but people can change. Do people not deserve a second chance? Look at Paul Gascoigne, an ex alcoholic wife beater, yet because he was a good footballer he is put on a pedastal by many... Should we not think people can change? Should we not give people the benefit of the doubt? And should we not really just judge people on how they behave INSIDE the house?

I liked Lee Ryan before he went in there, now I cannot stand him... Perhaps you should ignore what you have read & just judge Jim on how he is in there?...

This^

[Livia]

I am judging him on how he is in there. I had heard of him of course but I knew nothing about him when he went in. I didn't like him and I wondered why he gave me a bad feeling so I googled him and found out.

You mean you Googled him and picked out the bits you agreed with.

[Jake.]

I do agree, but people will always judge on what people have done on the outside, whether it's Dappy for being a bit of 'dick', Luisa for being a 'slag', Liz for being a 'motor mouth' and so on. It's a shame, really.

[Lee.]

I've always disliked Jim Davidson and everything he stands for.. He's a chauvinistic, drunk violent idiot!

... However, a lot if people have a past filled with demons and regrets and some face up to them, change and move on. From what I'm seeing if Jim so far, I like him. I like to think that people can change and basing my opinion only on what I've seen so far, I'd like him to win!

[Bojangles]

I've always disliked Jim Davidson and everything he stands for.. He's a chauvinistic, drunk violent idiot!

... However, a lot if people have a past filled with demons and regrets and some face up to them, change and move on. From what I'm seeing if Jim so far, I like him. I like to think that people can change and basing my opinion only on what I've seen so far, I'd like him to win!

Well said.Come on Jim lad.

[Livia]

I've always disliked Jim Davidson and everything he stands for.. He's a chauvinistic, drunk violent idiot!

... However, a lot if people have a past filled with demons and regrets and some face up to them, change and move on. From what I'm seeing if Jim so far, I like him. I like to think that people can change and basing my opinion only on what I've seen so far, I'd like him to win!

Well said, Lee. Completely agree.

[PrincessIona]

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

[jet]

You mean you Googled him and picked out the bits you agreed with.

So what would you have done - ignored the wife beating, homophobia and racism that is in with all the rest? You don't make any sense.

[Livia]

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

[Livia]

So what would you have done - ignored the wife beating, homophobia and racism that is in with all the rest? You don't make any sense.

Yes... it's likely to be ME that's not making sense.

[Bojangles]

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

Spot on Livia.

[Cherie]

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

Where is the evidence the Lionel dislikes him, they are often together, Lionel gossips about him, and nominated him for being bossy and doing things for him! A tactical move as his ego won't allow Jim to be in the house after him.

[PrincessIona]

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

Yes, Lee treats women badly too but we are discussing Jim here, and Lees behaviour although horrible doesn't have anything to do with Jim

[PrincessIona]

Where is the evidence the Lionel dislikes him, they are often together, Lionel gossips about him, and nominated him for being bossy and doing things for him! A tactical move as his ego won't allow Jim to be in the house after him.

I was pretty much going on the fact he nominated him.. I don't believe you would nominate someone you like

[jet]

Yes... it's likely to be ME that's not making sense.

Way to wriggle out of answering a straightforward question.

[Livia]

Yes, Lee treats women badly too but we are discussing Jim here, and Lees behaviour although horrible doesn't have anything to do with Jim

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

[flamingGalah!]

I am judging him on how he is in there. I had heard of him of course but I knew nothing about him when he went in. I didn't like him and I wondered why he gave me a bad feeling so I googled him and found out.

But what on earth has he done in there that is so bad?!? And how can someone give you a 'bad feeling' through a TV set? lol...

I hope you equally cannot stand Dappy & Lee, who actually are sexist chauvanistic pigs...

[Bojangles]

But what on earth has he done in there that is so bad?!? And how can someone give you a 'bad feeling' through a TV set? lol...

I hope you equally cannot stand Dappy & Lee, who actually are sexist chauvanistic pigs...

I like it.

[Livia]

Way to wriggle out of answering a straightforward question.

Oh sorry... you were being kind of insulting, I didn't think you'd expect me to be carrying on a discussion with you.

Most people on here know about Jim's past, you posted it like it's some kind of revelation. I'm sure everyone in the house has done stuff people would find hard to accept... personally I'd like to look at who he is now, rather than focus on what he did then. If you don't like him, fair enough, it's not compulsory.

[jet]

And all the others in there are so sweet and nice and well-balanced. I mean, Lee's treatment of women has been exemplary, hasn't it.

I can't believe you are comparing a horny idiot like Lee to a homophobic domestic abuser. :shocked:

[PrincessIona]

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

No, what I'm saying is I don't believe he has changed. I had little knowledge of him before he went in and has never watched him on TV before. In my eyes, he is a horrible man - I base this on what I've seen in the house, and what I've seen of him makes me believe that the various stories about him are true.

I think he is trying to sugar coat his behaviour in the house but I when I watch him I see that he is horrible

[Livia]

I can't believe you are comparing a horny idiot like Lee to a homophobic domestic abuser. :shocked:

I don't know about Lee's private life and neither do you. I know what Jim did in the past, but I don't think he should be labelled a "homophobic domestic abuser" for the rest of his life though, having claimed to have turned his life around and showing every sign of that being the case. Don't you feel people can redeem themselves, ever? That's a very restrictive view.

[Kazanne]

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Jim Davidson.

I knew nothing about him before he entered the house apart from him being involved in operation yew tree. I haven't been able to stand him since his VT. it's clear to me that he's a horrible, bigoted man with no respect for women - he is trying to sugar coat himself for public perception but I'm not falling for it.

He makes me so unbelievably angry. My work involves meeting lots of horrible, sexist men with no respect for women and he's just like the worst of them. I believe what is ex wife said in that article, I also believe some of the other things I've heard about in the media.

His comments about nuclear bombs really offended me, he said that nuclear bombs are good and they keep the peace. WTF?!

I find it very telling that the older celebrities (Linda and Lionel) in the house dislike him, I'd imagine having been in the industry for many years they are fully aware what he's really like.

I don't like Linda either, but I do think there is a history as to why she feels this way about Jim and I understand her behaviour towards him if that's the case.

Why did his comments about nuclear bombs offend you?

[Bojangles]

No, what I'm saying is I don't believe he has changed. I had little knowledge of him before he went in and has never watched him on TV before. In my eyes, he is a horrible man - I base this on what I've seen in the house, and what I've seen of him makes me believe that the various stories about him are true.

I think he is trying to sugar coat his behaviour in the house but I when I watch him I see that he is horrible

You must be watching a different show to me.I haven't seen Jim being horrible to anyone.

[Livia]

No, what I'm saying is I don't believe he has changed. I had little knowledge of him before he went in and has never watched him on TV before. In my eyes, he is a horrible man - I base this on what I've seen in the house, and what I've seen of him makes me believe that the various stories about him are true.

I think he is trying to sugar coat his behaviour in the house but I when I watch him I see that he is horrible

There is no doubt that most of the stories in his past are true, but that's not the question, is it. It's about whether or not he's changed, and if he has, should we still be beating him up for his past?

You're entitled to believe he hasn't changed. I think the majority are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though, most of us not having picked up a vibe through our telly screen as you have claimed.

I was against him going in, I've never been a fan, quite the reverse... but when he claimed to have got a handle on his life I was willing to see if that was true.

[jet]

Essentially, what you're saying is, even if someone changes, and shows themselves to be changed, they should just continue to be castigated for their past crimes and misdeeds forever.

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

[Livia]

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

Evidence? What kind of evidence do you suggest someone can submit in order to prove they have changed? That's just silly. He himself has claimed to have changed. We can't ask for evidence other than he proves he has changed by his actions.

You don't like him. That's fine... I don't see why you're getting all bent out of shape because some people are willing to let him demonstrate that he has changed rather than believe no one can ever change.

[PrincessIona]

Why did his comments about nuclear bombs offend you?

I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.


You must be watching a different show to me.I haven't seen Jim being horrible to anyone.

I don't think he has been horrible to anyone on the show to be honest and I haven't said that he has, but I think he is a horrible man - it's hard to explain but he is the type of man that I cannot stand. There is something I see in him which I have seen in the many arrogant, sexist, abusive, women hating men I have had the misfortune of meeting

[Bojangles]

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

What makes you such an expert in these matters?

[Livia]

I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.



Then I suggest half the country is going to offend you.

[flamingGalah!]

Where is the evidence he has changed? From a week on a reality show where he is being viewed by the nation? He's hardly going to punch a women in the house, is he, or call Ollie a part time shirt lifter? He's going to try to redeem himself and act the nice lad, isn't he?
There is nothing to say he has changed or he hasn't changed. So I'm going on what I have read, his passive aggressiveness in the house and my own gut feelings.

Wow, so you base your entire opinion of someone (who you apparently had no idea about) on what a trashy tabloid said about him 10 years ago?!? Despite actually seeing the man as he is now in the Big Brother house?! Judgemental much...

And despite him showing no signs at all of being a wife beating, homophobic bully you are still going to label him as such? :rolleyes:

[jet]

I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.




I don't think he has been horrible to anyone on the show to be honest and I haven't said that he has, but I think he is a horrible man - it's hard to explain but he is the type of man that I cannot stand. There is something I see in him which I have seen in the many arrogant, sexist, abusive, women hating men I have had the misfortune of meeting

Exactly. I get the same feeling of discomfort when I see him. It's hard to explain.

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=PrincessIona;6606923]I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.




So ,you think it's better for us to sit back with no defense and be a sitting duck? What about the environmental impact the fumes from cars make and industry,the spillage into our waters,If we get hit by a nuclear weapon because we have no defense there will be no environment to speak of.

[PrincessIona]

Then I suggest half the country is going to offend you.


Maybe offended was the wrong word for me to use, fortunately I have never met anyone that thinks nuclear bombs are good!

[PrincessIona]

Exactly. I get the same feeling of discomfort when I see him. It's hard to explain.


Yes, very hard to explain with words but it's definitely there

[Bojangles]

They keep the peace through fear.

[Stevep]

Jim has a sketchy past to say the least, people may claim he has changed based on his behaviour in the house but from the few snippets that we have seen of him he more often than not has got under somebody's skin. Coincidence? I think not. He bites whenever the opportunity arises and often uses his comedy, and peoples misinterpretation of it, as an excuse for his misdemeanors which he then in-turn uses to his advantage to then insult people in the guise of a 'joke' (the Jasmine incident springs to mind). 'Fans' of his may believe otherwise but i think it is glaringly obvious he is suppressing the real Jim.

That said, i don't particularly like or dislike the guy, just giving my opinion from what i have observed from his various comments/actions etc.

[PrincessIona]

[QUOTE=PrincessIona;6606923]I'm strongly against nuclear weapons for many reasons including the environmental impact and I find it ignorant that someone would think that a country having nuclear weapons keeps the peace.









So ,you think it's better for us to sit back with no defense and be a sitting duck? What about the environmental impact the fumes from cars make and industry,the spillage into our waters,If we get hit by a nuclear weapon because we have no defense there will be no environment to speak of.


I'm not saying countries shouldn't have defences, I just don't think nuclear bombs are the right ones to have.

We can't avoid everything that's bad for the environment, and I'm not against nuclear power because of its practicalities outweigh negative impact.

[jet]

Evidence? What kind of evidence do you suggest someone can submit in order to prove they have changed? That's just silly. He himself has claimed to have changed. We can't ask for evidence other than he proves he has changed by his actions.

You don't like him. That's fine... I don't see why you're getting all bent out of shape because some people are willing to let him demonstrate that he has changed rather than believe no one can ever change.

Who's getting bent out of shape? I'm passing the time on a message board. :hugesmile:
When you diagnosed Liz Jones with all the mental problems you assert she suffers from I didn't jump on you for your opinion. I'm entitled to think he hasn't changed just as you are entitled to say awful things about Liz and others with no evidence to back them up.

[jet]

Jim has a sketchy past to say the least, people may claim he has changed based on his behaviour in the house but from the few snippets that we have seen of him he more often than not has got under somebody's skin. Coincidence? I think not. He bites whenever the opportunity arises and often uses his comedy, and peoples misinterpretation of it, as an excuse for his misdemeanors which in-turn he uses to his advantage to then insult people in the guise of a 'joke' (the Jasmine incident springs to mind). 'Fans' of his may believe otherwise but i think it is blatantly obvious he is suppressing the real Jim.

That said, i don't particularly like or dislike the guy, just giving my opinion from what i have observed from his various comments/actions etc.

Exactly right. He's not managing to hide his passive - aggressiveness very well, is he?

[Bojangles]

Our boys and girl's in the forces are getting blown to bits by fighting for peace.Jim backs our armed forces 100% and does a lot for them.I for one salute you Jim.

[user104658]

Exactly right. He's not managing to hide his passive - aggressiveness very well, is he?

I agree with this to be honest. He is very passive aggressive and (tries to) hide it as "just comedy" (although he also is distinctly unfunny...) when its quite clear from his body language that he is angry. He's also randomly quipped some nasty little snippets and then tried to pretend it didn't happen (or again, was a joke) because he knows he's supposed to repressing that side of him in the BB house... But little dribbles of his real thoughts and feelings sometimes sneak out.

[smudgie]

Nothing lovely about this asshole.
Can't wait until he can't hold the hate in any longer.

[smeagol]

people judge based on hype. least he isn't a horse puncher lol

[Verbal]

Sexist, racist, alcoholic Thatcherite

If Evander wasnt more right wing than he is he would have been first out.

[Livia]

Maybe offended was the wrong word for me to use, fortunately I have never met anyone that thinks nuclear bombs are good!

No one thinks nuclear bombs are good... and when the less stable countries - North Korea, for example - agree never to use one, then we should be amongst the first to give ours up. Till then, they're a necessary evil. But this is really a discussion for Serious Debates and not the Big Brother section...

[Livia]

Who's getting bent out of shape? I'm passing the time on a message board. :hugesmile:
When you diagnosed Liz Jones with all the mental problems you assert she suffers from I didn't jump on you for your opinion. I'm entitled to think he hasn't changed just as you are entitled to say awful things about Liz and others with no evidence to back them up.

Well firstly, I said she was neurotic and a bit of a psycho. I wasn't making a diagnosis, I was speaking as I found because the real difference here is that I've met Liz Jones several times and I'm good friends with someone who knows her very well. I've not based my opinion on a Google search.

[jet]

Well firstly, I said she was neurotic and a bit of a psycho. I wasn't making a diagnosis, I was speaking as I found because the real difference here is that I've met Liz Jones several times and I'm good friends with someone who knows her very well. I've not based my opinion on a Google search.

You said she was neurotic, paranoid and a 'F'ing' psycho. So are you saying she acted that way right in front of you (if so, why not expand on that) or are you basing this on hearsay from a friend who might just not like her. That's not evidence.
Jim Davidson is a self - confessed wife beater. ITV had to apologize for his inappropriate comments towards a gay person. These things are facts.

[flamingGalah!]

You said she was neurotic, paranoid and a 'F'ing' psycho. So are you saying she acted that way right in front of you (if so, why not expand on that) or are you basing this on hearsay from a friend who might just not like her. That's not evidence.
Jim Davidson is a self - confessed wife beater. ITV had to apologize for his inappropriate comments towards a gay person. These things are facts.

If someone was once addicted to drugs in your eyes are they forever more a junkie??

If someone was once an alcoholic, are they always going to be a pi**head??

People can & DO change, it is very unfair & extremely silly of you to base your opinons of someone on things from their past (& trashy tabloid versions of those things to boot)...

You are of course perfectly entitled to your opinion, but don't make out that Jim is STILL a homophobic, wife beater & make that out as fact.

[jet]

If someone was once addicted to drugs in your eyes are they forever more a junkie??

If someone was once an alcoholic, are they always going to be a pi**head??

People can & DO change, it is very unfair & extremely silly of you to base your opinons of someone on things from their past (& trashy tabloid versions of those things to boot)...

You are of course perfectly entitled to your opinion, but don't make out that Jim is STILL a homophobic, wife beater & make that out as fact.

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that. :hugesmile:

[Cherie]

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that. :hugesmile:

No not getting it, seems calm and unruffled to me and doesn't suffer fools

[jet]

No not getting it, seems calm and unruffled to me and doesn't suffer fools

Other people here have seen what I have too, so it's not just me that has the gift. :hugesmile:

[Cherie]

Other people here have seen what I have too, so it's not just me that has the gift. :hugesmile:

And others have seen what I have you are not the only one with the gift :fist:

[Ammi]

And others have seen what I have you are not the only one with the gift :fist:

..haha, the best gift of all is that smiley gift..:fist:..

[jet]

..haha, the best gift of all is that smiley gift..:fist:..

It's the winner! :joker:

[Ammi]

It's a good one. :joker:

..I think it's the most multi purpose smiley on the forum and it's a really 'cute annoyed/angry..' as well...



..:fist:...

[Livia]

You said she was neurotic, paranoid and a 'F'ing' psycho. So are you saying she acted that way right in front of you (if so, why not expand on that) or are you basing this on hearsay from a friend who might just not like her. That's not evidence.
Jim Davidson is a self - confessed wife beater. ITV had to apologize for his inappropriate comments towards a gay person. These things are facts.

Oh enough with the 'evidence' and the 'hearsay'. You said earlier we're on a BB forum... This isn't a court of law and you're not cross-questioning me.

We don't agree. Give it a rest whydontcha.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The thing with Jim Davidson is that he's objectively the most objectionable casting choice ever? Like, someone with as shady of a history as his, sorry but I have no real interest seeing that, let alone seeing him become a victim of people (rightfully) judging him based on his past.

[Livia]

The thing with Jim Davidson is that he's objectively the most objectionable casting choice ever? Like, someone with as shady of a history as his, sorry but I have no real interest seeing that, let alone seeing him become a victim of people (rightfully) judging him based on his past.

No redemption for anyone then? How sad.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think there are much more legitimate ways to seek redemption than appear on a reality programme for three weeks and tone down your racism/homophobia/misogyny/whathaveyou

[Livia]

I think there are much more legitimate ways to seek redemption than appear on a reality programme for three weeks and tone down your racism/homophobia/misogyny/whathaveyou

What do you want him to do, set up a mission? He's not been in the public eye for ages. How do we know he's "toning down" all that stuff, and that he hasn't, like he claims, turned his life around? Anyhoo, time will tell.

[jet]

Oh enough with the 'evidence' and the 'hearsay'. You said earlier we're on a BB forum... This isn't a court of law and you're not cross-questioning me.

We don't agree. Give it a rest whydontcha.

Why don't you give it a rest. You quote me and post something that calls for a response, then you are rude when I respond. Charming.

[Livia]

Why don't you give it a rest. You quote me and post something that calls for a response, then you are rude when I respond. Charming.

My reply to you at the top of the page didn't require any response. I was merely answering your post which supposed that I was making wild claims about Liz Jones. I pointed out that I had met her, more than once, that I know someone she knows (and as a matter of interest yes, she was quite neurotic and strange on a couple of occasions I was in her company). But that wasn't good enough. You wanted evidence and claimed hearsay like we're in court. It's getting silly now. We don't have to agree, and we clearly don't.

[jet]

My reply to you at the top of the page didn't require any response. I was merely answering your post which supposed that I was making wild claims about Liz Jones. I pointed out that I had met her, more than once, that I know someone she knows (and as a matter of interest yes, she was quite neurotic and strange on a couple of occasions I was in her company). But that wasn't good enough. You wanted evidence and claimed hearsay like we're in court. It's getting silly now. We don't have to agree, and we clearly don't.

We certainly don't, so we'll agree to disagree. :thumbs:

[Videostar]

It's not his comedy that bothers me in particular...it's his fists, his homophobia etc etc etc...

Has he said anything homophobic in the house? if not then it's unimportant whats gone on before.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean I wouldn't say it's all that irrelevant when he was initially scheduled to be on CBB11, which was hosted by a gay guy he previously clashed with on another show.

[Kizzy]

Jim has written at least 2 autobiographies where he admits his abuse and alcoholism, he's still drinking therefore he's still an alcoholic as far as I see it.
Due to his documented clashes with the police and others, I find it hard to believe he has mellowed. If he manages to last without lashing out I'll be amazed.

[Cherie]

..haha, the best gift of all is that smiley gift..:fist:..

I love it, it's my favorite smilie ever

[QUOTE=Kizzy;6608333]Jim has written at least 2 autobiographies where he admits his abuse and alcoholism, he's still drinking therefore he's still an alcoholic as far as I see it.
Due to his documented clashes with the police and others, I find it hard to believe he has mellowed. If he manages to last without lashing out I'll be amazed.[/QUOT


:fist: don't put the mockers on him

[Patricia4]

Jim is doing great in the house so why cant he win.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that. :hugesmile:

But whilstever he IS holding it under wraps what is there to complain about? and its a tad arrogant to know what people are thinking dont you think ?

[joeysteele]

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that. :hugesmile:

Hi jet, I accept you hold your strong views as to Jim and I would never say you are wrong to have those views.
You have your opinion of him and that is your right.

I myself don't care at all for a lot of what he has done and said in the past and indeed I am surprised that I have come to even like him as a housemate.
I have though because he is doing exactly what you say,controlling himself in the main, which is something he 'never' could have done in the past.

For me however, how he is contolling his temper,I haven't a clue while he is around the vicious and miserable and awful Linda Nolan,who is also trying to push all buttons to make him look really bad herself.
Even I would have likely flared up at her by now bigtime already.

[jet]

Hi jet, I accept you hold your strong views as to Jim and I would never say you are wrong to have those views.
You have your opinion of him and that is your right.

I myself don't care at all for a lot of what he has done and said in the past and indeed I am surprised that I have come to even like him as a housemate.
I have though because he is doing exactly what you say,controlling himself in the main, which is something he 'never' could have done in the past.

For me however, how he is contolling his temper,I haven't a clue while he is around the vicious and miserable and awful Linda Nolan,who is also trying to push all buttons to make him look really bad herself.
Even I would have likely flared up at her by now bigtime already.


Thanks Joey, I always respect and value your opinions.
For me, they are pushing each others buttons. Jim isn't blameless here. I'd love to know what is behind him saying to her last night for the 3rd time in a week "Like another vat of wine dear?" before turning his back on her. Something to do with their past, I suppose?
Their spats are quite intriguing and a lot more interesting than the cringe worthy showmance so its all good. :thumbs: :hugesmile:

[Kizzy]

Yep I noticed that, he snipes then when she bites it will be woah!!!! overemotional female alert... pfft.

[Z]

Tonight was iiiinteresting, Jim reveals he hasn't changed at all and is playing a game... I don't know if I'm put him off in the house because I didn't like him before, or if I still like him because he's playing a blinder so far

[Cherie]

I think he meant he is biting his tongue rather than playing a game. He went to luisa and gave her good advice, where was everyone else?

[Z]

I think he meant he is biting his tongue rather than playing a game. He went to luisa and gave her good advice, where was everyone else?

Lionel gave her a hug, Linda gave her a hug, Dappy made up with her and Lionel said he was glad they'd made up. Plenty of people cared about Luisa's hysterics. In this case, I would say Jim biting his tongue is him playing a game. He knows he'll be reviled if he lets anything slip.

[Patricia4]

Nothing wrong with Jim its people like Linda that is turning people against him and some are that thick they are talking it all in like Sam.

[Cherie]

Lionel gave her a hug, Linda gave her a hug, Dappy made up with her and Lionel said he was glad they'd made up. Plenty of people cared about Luisa's hysterics. In this case, I would say Jim biting his tongue is him playing a game. He knows he'll be reviled if he lets anything slip.

What I meant was they didn't offer any advice and try and reconcile the situation and it was afterwards that she and dappy made up

[Z]

What I meant was they didn't offer any advice and try and reconcile the situation and it was afterwards that she and dappy made up

Ah I see, you're right! I think Jim was foolish to admit he was playing a game.

[Videostar]

Lionel gave her a hug, Linda gave her a hug, Dappy made up with her and Lionel said he was glad they'd made up. Plenty of people cared about Luisa's hysterics. In this case, I would say Jim biting his tongue is him playing a game. He knows he'll be reviled if he lets anything slip.

Why is biting his tongue thought of as game playing? maybe Luisa should think before she speaks, perhaps. ;)

[Kazanne]

I think he meant he is biting his tongue rather than playing a game. He went to luisa and gave her good advice, where was everyone else?

That's how I interpreted it too Cherie

[Cherie]

Ah I see, you're right! I think Jim was foolish to admit he was playing a game.

Yes agreed that was stupid!

[Z]

Why is biting his tongue thought of as game playing? maybe Luisa should think before she speaks, perhaps. ;)

He admitted to Luisa he is still the chauvinistic woman hater he's always been, but he's not being himself in the house. That is a strategy for survival in the game, he's playing a character to avoid being hated.

[Videostar]

He admitted to Luisa he is still the chauvinistic woman hater he's always been, but he's not being himself in the house. That is a strategy for survival in the game, he's playing a character to avoid being hated.

Err he didn't say he was a woman hater. :nono:

You are putting your own spin on what he said and meant because you don't like him.

[Z]

Err he didn't say he was a woman hater. :nono:

You are putting your own spin on what he said and meant because you don't like him.

He's one of my favourite house mates..........

I don't remember the exact words, bloody hell

[Kizzy]

His exact words were ' I'm a silly bigot and I'm fake and a tool'.... I think ;)

[Z]

His exact words were ' I'm a silly bigot and I'm fake and a tool'.... I think ;)

No Kizzy you're putting your own spin on his words because you don't like him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The guy explicitly admitted he is not being himself in the house because he's still the same person he's always been, he hasn't changed at all. I wasn't sure if he had reformed or not but now we have confirmation that he is the same. Unsure if I admire him for his game playing or hate him because he's despicable.

[joeysteele]

Well for me and as I said above, I am surprised how much I like him in the BB house.
The minute he does,( if he does), explode at Linda then I will really like him even more after that.

[Kazanne]

I like him too,hew made me laugh so much tonight when he was doing that accent to Dappy,I think he jokes a lot and it is taken the wrong way.

[joeysteele]

I like him too,hew made me laugh so much tonight when he was doing that accent to Dappy,I think he jokes a lot and it is taken the wrong way.

It was funny Kazanne, he does have good humour to be fair.

[jet]

No Kizzy you're putting your own spin on his words because you don't like him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The guy explicitly admitted he is not being himself in the house because he's still the same person he's always been, he hasn't changed at all. I wasn't sure if he had reformed or not but now we have confirmation that he is the same. Unsure if I admire him for his game playing or hate him because he's despicable.

You have summed it up very well. It came as no surprise to me as I've been saying throughout this whole thread that he hasn't changed and was obviously keeping a tight lid on himself. He said tonight also that he is still a male chauvinist pig - I dislike that type no matter how 'funny' they are. I think he's despicable, but at least he admitted he wasn't being himself which is a plus point.

[Kizzy]

It must go over my head that humour joey and kaz haha! I may have used a smidge of artistic licence in my summary of his convo with luisa zee.....That said if you find what he said despicable, I'm not going to argue :laugh:

[jet]

It must go over my head that humour joey and kaz haha! I may have used a smidge of artistic licence in my summary of his convo with luisa zee.....That said if you find what he said despicable, I'm not going to argue :laugh:

It went right over my head too. I couldn't make any sense out of any of it. Lee was in the kitchen too and he didn't even break a smile. Dappy was laughing just to please Jim, I think.

[Videostar]

He's one of my favourite house mates..........

I don't remember the exact words, bloody hell

So you paraphrase him? you should (if quoting someone) get the exact words right.

[Videostar]

You have summed it up very well. It came as no surprise to me as I've been saying throughout this whole thread that he hasn't changed and was obviously keeping a tight lid on himself. He said tonight also that he is still a male chauvinist pig - I dislike that type no matter how 'funny' they are. I think he's despicable, but at least he admitted he wasn't being himself which is a plus point.

Well I dislike feminists but that doesn't mean I can't like one or even support one if she entered the house, live and let live, we are all different and have different opinions, we should learn to accept and respect others opinions, shame Dappy and Luisa can't do that. ;)

[Videostar]

His exact words were ' I'm a silly bigot and I'm fake and a tool'.... I think ;)

And he still should win CBB. :dance: :D

[Kizzy]

And he still should win CBB. :dance: :D

I don't think so sonny (madbigot) jim!

[jet]

Well I dislike feminists but that doesn't mean I can't like one or even support one if she entered the house, live and let live, we are all different and have different opinions, we should learn to accept and respect others opinions, shame Dappy and Luisa can't do that. ;)

Well respect mine then. My opinion on Jim Davidson is that I don't like him for my own reasons. Okay?

[Videostar]

Well respect mine then. My opinion on Jim Davidson is that I don't like him for my own reasons. Okay?

Yes but you don't respect Jim's opinions and your saying he shouldn't win because of his views (not that any of us really know what his views are) he tells un PC jokes, big deal.

But I respect that you don't like him and you don't want him to win.

[Videostar]

I don't think so sonny (madbigot) jim!

I wouldn't be so sure, if Charlotte can win after being rude to people, shouting abuse at BB viewers and pissing the bed Im sure Jim can easily win. :devil:

[Mystic Mock]

Yes but you don't respect Jim's opinions and your saying he shouldn't win because of his views (not that any of us really know what his views are) he tells un PC jokes, big deal.

But I respect that you don't like him and you don't want him to win.

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

[Videostar]

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

True enough, I've always judged HM's on how they are in the house, that way we can be fair and only judge on what we see and hear.

No one is perfect, no one in that house can claim to be perfect.

[jet]

Yes but you don't respect Jim's opinions and your saying he shouldn't win because of his views (not that any of us really know what his views are) he tells un PC jokes, big deal.

But I respect that you don't like him and you don't want him to win.

Which opinions of Jim's should I respect? :conf:
I've never said I have a problem with his un PC jokes :huh: In fact, I've never even heard his comedy routines in my life.

[Kizzy]

I wouldn't be so sure, if Charlotte can win after being rude to people, shouting abuse at BB viewers and pissing the bed Im sure Jim can easily win. :devil:

After mad ol bint Denise Welsh too?!.... omfg, you might be right there really is no sanity left in the UK :bawling:

[Videostar]

After mad ol bint Denise Welsh too?!.... omfg, you might be right there really is no sanity left in the UK :bawling:

This is celeb BB, the fans of this show are weird, they like bizarre types of people....ANYONE can win. :shocked:

[Videostar]

Which opinions of Jim's should I respect? :conf:
I've never said I have a problem with his un PC jokes :huh: In fact, I've never even heard his comedy routines in my life.

So what has he said IN THE HOUSE that you object to? he's been very calming, funny and respectful so far, unlike Linda and certain others.

Luisa is ageist, is that better or worse than being sexist?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yes, god forbid Linda dislike Jim Davidson of all people :rolleyes:

[Ammi]

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

..you're exactly right, Mock...we obviously know something about celebrities before they enter the house, which makes it different from the civilian BB and Jim's lifestyle has always been such to spark strong and negative opinion but it isn't the first time a celebrity like that has gone in and sometimes your opinion does change when they're in the house and interacting with others/talking about their lives etc...but for me, Jim has done nothing to show that he's 'changed'..he's hardly going to go in and say..'oh, I've hit women....', so yeah, I think he's trying to keep a low profile and kind of say what he thinks he should say etc but to me, that's not signs of a change in him...but yet other housemates have also had some controversy and that's often mentioned..maybe because they have discussed some of it in the house..?..and then it becomes 'relevant' ...I don't know but there are always different ways of looking at situations in the house and if you don't like someone, then you're going to see their actions as negative and if you do like them, then you're going to see a more positive slant...'there are many truths..'..and it's all down to what your perspective is....

[joeysteele]

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

I try hard not to do that Mock, however sometimes there is such a great knowledge that it is hard to change an opinion held of a celebrity no matter how they are in the house.
Such as mine concerning the Nolan lot, I never liked Colleen before she went in,then couldn't find anything from her actions in the house to make me like her.
I tried hard with Linda and for a short time, she was acting as a good and interesting housemate and I thought I may have got her wrong.
Then her mask slipped and showed her spiteful real nasty side, the one I have seen all the time before and that was that with her for me too.

However, from the opinion I had of Frankie Cocoza before he went in, he,for me anyway, behaved really well in the house and he changed my opinion as to him.

I didn't care for Dappy when he went in, however he is winning me over now and I find him a good housemate,especially since he dumped the fake romance nonsense as to Jasmine.
I liked Jasmine but now cannot be bothered with her for her antics in the house with Lee in the main, not for anything she has done outside the house.

I didn't care for Luisa on the apprentice I admit and I find her someone who seems unable to think before she speaks in the house.
I find her offensive a fair bit of the time,again however I have judged her on what I have seen of her in the house.

Lee, I liked before he went in the house but I have rarely been sickened so much by someone's pathetic obsession with sex and playing people off against each other,so again from what he has done in the house, I have changed my view of him bigtime.

As to Jim, he is supposed to be this really awful man, incapable of any change or control as was seemingly shown on the kitchen programme he took part in.
Well, for me he has shown really good control in CBB and I can only judge him on what I am now seeing in the house.
He is, (and she was the one who started it first), being pushed by Linda who likely has her own nasty agenda as to him so much, I am amazed he is showing such control.
With her, I couldn't myself I doubt.

She has said on a few occasions she doen't like him,making sure others hear her say it too then pushing to make him look bad all she can, he doesn't take the bait but if he did,I think I would still think it was justified in her case.

Also, events can affect people, it can make them think and Jim has had a difficult thing going on for the last year or more with the allegations made against him which have now been dropped and no action taken.
That can affect a person too, maybe he has learned to hold back, control his anger and be more patient too.
He will never be a saint for sure but his actions in the house so far have presented nothing to suggest he is some monster.

No one can change their past but they can build their future given the chance.
Maybe Jim sees this as his chance to put a few things to bed from his past life.
I am prepared to afford him that benefit of the doubt now and still for me, how he hasn't really blown at Linda is a mystery to me, because she is desperately waiting for him to do that and then watch for the rotten filthy vile venom that will likely come from her mouth when and if he does crack under her pressure.

[Northern Monkey]

Who even cares?He's been pretty entertaining and deserves to win as much as anyone else in the house.He's done more than Sam,Ollie,Lionel and Linda put together so far.Why even bother bringing his past into it.It's about how he's performing in a gameshow,Nothing more.

[Cherie]

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

I've not seen too many threads judging any of those on their lives outside the house :conf:

[Lee.]

The thing is if people can't judge Jim Davidson from his personal life then how come people judge Dappy, Luisa, Jasmine, and Lee on their personal lives?

I genuinely couldn't tell you one thing about any of their personal lives!

[Ammi]

I've not seen too many threads judging any of those on their lives outside the house :conf:

..I think what Mock means is all of the other discussions about various housemates...Luisa and her '5 lovers'..Dappy's 'online activities'..(I'm not sure what they are..)..Luisa's career/business and behaviour in the Apprentice..and stuff like that, there have been many discussion in different threads ..but as I said in my other post, I guess if it's mentioned at all in the house then it becomes 'fair game' as it were...I don't know, maybe Mock is talking about something else but that's how I took it...

..anyway, I have stuff to do this morning so I won't get into Jim Davidson talk otherwise I'll have to start using this...:fist:...

[Lee.]

I genuinely couldn't tell you one thing about any of their personal lives!

Oh apart from Luisa likes to shag a lot

[Ammi]

..and Dappy apparently displayed some revealing pics on the internet and Luisa's manipulative behaviour in the Apprentice..and and LOL...anyway, I think that's what Mock means ...

[Cherie]

..I think what Mock means is all of the other discussions about various housemates...Luisa and her '5 lovers'..Dappy's 'online activities'..(I'm not sure what they are..)..Luisa's career/business and behaviour in the Apprentice..and stuff like that, there have been many discussion in different threads ..but as I said in my other post, I guess if it's mentioned at all in the house then it becomes 'fair game' as it were...I don't know, maybe Mock is talking about something else but that's how I took it...

..anyway, I have stuff to do this morning so I won't get into Jim Davidson talk otherwise I'll have to start using this...:fist:...

Oh yes I see his point now, although tbf some of that has been brought up in the house. Dappy and his schlong getting him to No. 1, Luisa talking about her sex parties and yes go and do some stuff :fist:

[Ammi]

Oh yes I see his point now, although tbf some of that has been brought up in the house. Dappy and his schlong getting him to No. 1, Luisa talking about her sex parties and yes go and do some stuff :fist:

...yeah, I think if it's been discussed in the house, then it's obviously discussed more on forums etc...mind you, I would like Jim to talk about all of the wife beating stuff/open up etc because then I think it would help me see more, if I feel he is actually being genuine and might have tried to change etc..ok, I'll hush up now...:fist:...(what did we ever do without that smiley..)...

[joeysteele]

Oh yes I see his point now, although tbf some of that has been brought up in the house. Dappy and his schlong getting him to No. 1, Luisa talking about her sex parties and yes go and do some stuff :fist:

It will be inevitable, even moreso if a celebrity doesn't like another that what has gone on in the past will be brought up.

For example, Linda on going in the house, going on about having Jim thrown out of a pub.
Once things are discussed or mentioned in the house then for me, it is justifiable to be responding to something done or said in the house by them as housemates.

Most and I would say near all, that has been discussed on here has been brought up in the house so that makes for analysis and opinion to be made as to same by all of us.

I do try myself to only judge them on what they do and say in the house,forming or changing my opinion of them from that time in the house as housemates,even if I haven't cared for them much before they went in.

[Ammi]

It will be inevitable, even moreso if a celebrity doesn't like another that what has gone on in the past will be brought up.

For example, Linda on going in the house, going on about having Jim thrown out of a pub.
Once things are discussed or mentioned in the house then for me, it is justifiable to be responding to something done or said in the house by them as housemates.

Most and I would say near all, that has been discussed on here has been brought up in the house so that makes for analysis and opinion to be made as to same by all of us.

I do try myself to only judge them on what they do and say in the house,forming or changing my opinion of them from that time in the house as housemates,even if I haven't cared for them much before they went in.


..and so do I Joey, but hitting females is for me a no no and something that takes a little more 'forgiving' than most things and certainly anything to do with housemate's sexual activities because if they do themselves harm there, then it's only themselves that they harm..?...there are many housemates that I have changed my opinion on, some for the worse and some for the better and Ron Atkinson last time was a good example of that...but until I see something of Jim that I see as 'redeeming' then I have nothing to change my opinion about...

[Patricia4]

Good luck to him he's entertaining and that is what I like about him.
Come on Jim you can WIN

[Kazanne]

And he still should win CBB. :dance: :D

Well I call myself a silly cow sometimes,but I really don't mean it:hugesmile:I don't think Jim was being serious,I like him ,he makes me laugh,his past is just that,'past' like all of them.

[jet]

So what has he said IN THE HOUSE that you object to? he's been very calming, funny and respectful so far, unlike Linda and certain others.

Luisa is ageist, is that better or worse than being sexist?

Didn't you hear him say if he was himself in the house he would be kicked out? I couldn't vote for someone when I don't know who they are other than the mostly negative things I have heard about them and some of which they themselves have admitted to. How can one gauge that someone has changed if they have admitted they are suppressing their real personality?

Ageism and sexism are both wrong. So is homophobia, racism and wife beating.

[Cherie]

ive known for years that jim davidson is a nasty foul pig!!
he's sexiest, homophobic and racist!!! :mad:
and it doesnt suprise me that the pathetic weirdo is violent too
even though i dont watch BB i thought to myself why the hell are they putting a disgusting man like that in the BB house!!!
and you know something he will probably win!!! or get to the final!! that's how retarded the british public is


For a racist he got on fine with Evander. Thought you weren't watching :suspect:

[GoldHeart]

For a racist he got on fine with Evander. Thought you weren't watching :suspect:

omg so just because he spoke to Evander he cant possibly be "racist"
what planet are you on???
this man has a reputation for having the most offensive backwards narrow minded views and comments!!! he's got such a viscious streak

you obviously haven't seen him on telly apart from now on CBB :crazy:
ive heard him make racist jokes
ive heard him offend brian dowling on hells kitchen!! by offending gay people
that was another reality show!!!
plus he is always sexist to women but i guess because he talks to them you probably think he's a nice guy ??? :bored:

he's even admitted to being a male chauvinistic pig!!

[Kazanne]

I try hard not to do that Mock, however sometimes there is such a great knowledge that it is hard to change an opinion held of a celebrity no matter how they are in the house.
Such as mine concerning the Nolan lot, I never liked Colleen before she went in,then couldn't find anything from her actions in the house to make me like her.
I tried hard with Linda and for a short time, she was acting as a good and interesting housemate and I thought I may have got her wrong.
Then her mask slipped and showed her spiteful real nasty side, the one I have seen all the time before and that was that with her for me too.

However, from the opinion I had of Frankie Cocoza before he went in, he,for me anyway, behaved really well in the house and he changed my opinion as to him.

I didn't care for Dappy when he went in, however he is winning me over now and I find him a good housemate,especially since he dumped the fake romance nonsense as to Jasmine.
I liked Jasmine but now cannot be bothered with her for her antics in the house with Lee in the main, not for anything she has done outside the house.

I didn't care for Luisa on the apprentice I admit and I find her someone who seems unable to think before she speaks in the house.
I find her offensive a fair bit of the time,again however I have judged her on what I have seen of her in the house.

Lee, I liked before he went in the house but I have rarely been sickened so much by someone's pathetic obsession with sex and playing people off against each other,so again from what he has done in the house, I have changed my view of him bigtime.

As to Jim, he is supposed to be this really awful man, incapable of any change or control as was seemingly shown on the kitchen programme he took part in.
Well, for me he has shown really good control in CBB and I can only judge him on what I am now seeing in the house.
He is, (and she was the one who started it first), being pushed by Linda who likely has her own nasty agenda as to him so much, I am amazed he is showing such control.
With her, I couldn't myself I doubt.

She has said on a few occasions she doen't like him,making sure others hear her say it too then pushing to make him look bad all she can, he doesn't take the bait but if he did,I think I would still think it was justified in her case.

Also, events can affect people, it can make them think and Jim has had a difficult thing going on for the last year or more with the allegations made against him which have now been dropped and no action taken.
That can affect a person too, maybe he has learned to hold back, control his anger and be more patient too.
He will never be a saint for sure but his actions in the house so far have presented nothing to suggest he is some monster.

No one can change their past but they can build their future given the chance.
Maybe Jim sees this as his chance to put a few things to bed from his past life.
I am prepared to afford him that benefit of the doubt now and still for me, how he hasn't really blown at Linda is a mystery to me, because she is desperately waiting for him to do that and then watch for the rotten filthy vile venom that will likely come from her mouth when and if he does crack under her pressure.

Joey,you said everything I wanted to,great post .:worship::worship:

[Kazanne]

omg so just because he spoke to Evander he cant possibly be "racist"
what planet are you on???
this man has a reputation for having the most offensive backwards narrow minded views and comments!!! he's got such a viscious streak

you obviously haven't seen him on telly apart from now on CBB :crazy:
ive heard him make racist jokes
ive heard him offend brian dowling on hells kitchen!! by offending gay people
that was another reality show!!!
plus he is always sexist to women but i guess because he talks to them you probably think he's a nice guy ??? :bored:

he's even admitted to being a male chauvinistic pig!!

If you don't know him personally you are just going by the press and a TV program,Jim is not much different to any other comedians what ever they say they are going to offend someone and reading the papers today you will see one of his women say 'if people get to know Jim properly he could well win',hardly the words of some beaten up woman and as for the vicious streak we'll go by the papers again it seems to be LEE that has that problem,I am not saying Jim has not done bad things in the past but maybe he has learnt from it all,do you know him enough to say he hasn't?

[Cherie]

omg so just because he spoke to Evander he cant possibly be "racist"
what planet are you on???
this man has a reputation for having the most offensive backwards narrow minded views and comments!!! he's got such a viscious streak

you obviously haven't seen him on telly apart from now on CBB :crazy:
ive heard him make racist jokes
ive heard him offend brian dowling on hells kitchen!! by offending gay people
that was another reality show!!!
plus he is always sexist to women but i guess because he talks to them you probably think he's a nice guy ??? :bored:

he's even admitted to being a male chauvinistic pig!!

Do you think you might need to calm down a little? but if he is such a racist surely he would have avoided Evander, other people did!!! and he had the good manners to see him off properly as well unlike others in there!

Have you decided to watch the programme then?

[jet]

If you don't know him personally you are just going by the press and a TV program,Jim is not much different to any other comedians what ever they say they are going to offend someone and reading the papers today you will see one of his women say 'if people get to know Jim properly he could well win',hardly the words of some beaten up woman and as for the vicious streak we'll go by the papers again it seems to be LEE that has that problem,I am not saying Jim has not done bad things in the past but maybe he has learnt from it all,do you know him enough to say he hasn't?

Kazanne, he admitted to wife beating and he offended a gay man on another reality show by calling him a 'shirt - lifter' and with other derogatory remarks. ITV had to apologize for his behaviour. People are NOT just going by what they read in the press.

[Kazanne]

Kazanne, he admitted to wife beating and he offended a gay man on another reality show by calling him a 'shirt - lifter' and with other derogatory remarks. ITV had to apologize for his behaviour. People are NOT just going by what they read in the press.

I understand that Jet and yes he has offended people,but surely he has the right to try and alter and put things right and I know he admitted to hitting his wife,surely that was a good thing(to admit it)and by all accounts he is married again and happily so maybe he has changed,maybe he hasn't, I just find the hatred a bit ott and he does make me laugh ,maybe I have a funny sense of humour I don't know but he has done nothing to warrant me hating him,but I do understand where you are coming from.:hugesmile:

[jet]

I understand that Jet and yes he has offended people,but surely he has the right to try and alter and put things right and I know he admitted to hitting his wife,surely that was a good thing(to admit it)and by all accounts he is married again and happily so maybe he has changed,maybe he hasn't, I just find the hatred a bit ott and he does make me laugh ,maybe I have a funny sense of humour I don't know but he has done nothing to warrant me hating him,but I do understand where you are coming from.:hugesmile:

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

[jet]

I'm a member of the great British Public, and I like Jim - although I admit I surprised myself there. It's a ridiculous and insulting word to throw at people who don't agree with your own, rather narrow views. especially as you claim you don't even watch the show.

What do you like about Jim then? He's well known for his narrow views and insults like 'shirt - lifter'.

[Kazanne]

What do you like about Jim then? He's well known for his narrow views and insults like 'shirt - lifter'.

Jet,you might hate me for this as others might,but I actually think that is funny,I've heard far worse.

[joeysteele]

If you don't know him personally you are just going by the press and a TV program,Jim is not much different to any other comedians what ever they say they are going to offend someone and reading the papers today you will see one of his women say 'if people get to know Jim properly he could well win',hardly the words of some beaten up woman and as for the vicious streak we'll go by the papers again it seems to be LEE that has that problem,I am not saying Jim has not done bad things in the past but maybe he has learnt from it all,do you know him enough to say he hasn't?

Really well said Kazanne :xyxwave:, a good balancing of the issue.

[jet]

Jet,you might hate me for this as others might,but I actually think that is funny,I've heard far worse.

'Course I don't hate you :xyxwave:
It isn't the worst, if said in a jokey way to someone who knows you well enough to know you are joking.
Said in a derogatory way on a reality show along with other homophobic actions, its more than enough to get you thrown off the programme.

[Kizzy]

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

All of this, a great overview there jet.

[Ammi]

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't. There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.


..that's exactly how I feel...I would actually like him to talk about his past and the things he has admitted to doing, just to maybe try to get a sense of how he feels about it all now...I just haven't so far seen anything about him that would make me feel differently atm but if I did then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion and have on celebrities in the past ..there is certainly no 'OTT hatred' from me or anyone else that I have seen, I don't hate anyone and certainly not a BB housemate...someone said on BBOTS that you can't be in the house and not eventually be your 'true self'..was it Carol McGiffin..?..so if he isn't being himself then I guess we will see that soon and if he is and he has changed, then that's great for him...

[Kazanne]

..that's exactly how I feel...I would actually like him to talk about his past and the things he has admitted to doing, just to maybe try to get a sense of how he feels about it all now...I just haven't so far seen anything about him that would make me feel differently atm but if I did then I'm certainly open to changing my opinion and have on celebrities in the past ..there is certainly no 'OTT hatred' from me or anyone else that I have seen, I don't hate anyone and certainly not a BB housemate...someone said on BBOTS that you can't be in the house and not eventually be your 'true self'..was it Carol McGiffin..?..so if he isn't being himself then I guess we will see that soon and if he is and he has changed, then that's great for him...

He probably would ammi if Linda would let him finish a conversation:hugesmile:

[Kizzy]

Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.

[Ammi]

Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.

..I do actually agree with you, Kizzy...the words that are used to describe housemates sometimes are really awful and also inaccurate a lot of the time..and with Jim I think it's also important to keep a perspective in that there are probably only a relatively few people on the forum who are not pro-Jim and only a couple of threads that I have seen as opposed to the many negative threads about other housemates, so there certainly is no OTT hate or anything but for anyone who isn't convinced by him yet..(that he's changed..)..it's for very good reason in that everything has bee self confessed by him and so far as I have seen he hasn't ever seen to show much remorse for any of it...but I guess time will tell in the house...

[Kazanne]

Nobody knows any of the HM personally, when has that ever stopped anyone on here from having an opinion on people they've never met?....
I've seen posts branding people 'thick' 'chav' 'slut' 'weird' all over this forum for years, about people they'll never meet.

You talking about me again Kizzy you strumpet:devil:

[MrWong]

Of course he has that right, and I'd be glad if he DID change. But until someone demonstrates that they HAVE changed, I can't like them. I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but I can't force myself to feel that I like them if I don't.
There was something about him I took a dislike too early on and I knew nothing about him. That happens.
In the house, he doesn't seem like an especially nice person to me. I have said all along that he seems to be keeping a tight rein on himself. He seems calm, but I sense barely concealed anger in him. He seems easy going, but I think he's far from it. I don't think he's funny, but maybe I've just got a different sense of humour. He makes snide remarks (so do some others, but this topic is Jim) then he walks away and leaves the person frustrated.

He's not going to go into CBB and punch a woman or say something racist or homophobic.
He said if he was being himself he would be kicked out. What behaviour would get him kicked out?
He said he is a male chauvinist pig.
So I have nothing to go on to say he's a changed man. Maybe he has learned it's wrong to hit women, maybe he hasn't. Maybe he now knows its wrong to mock gay people, maybe he hasn't. I have learned nothing about him to change the opinion I formed of him. He isn't being himself - he's admitted that - so how could I?
I appreciated that he admitted that. That's a plus point for me.

That's a great post and sums up how I feel about Jim.

[starry]

I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.

[Kizzy]

You talking about me again Kizzy you strumpet:devil:

You and whoever else has that cockeyed view... penis eyes :idc:

[Z]

So you paraphrase him? you should (if quoting someone) get the exact words right.

:rolleyes: Where were the quotation marks? I was paraphrasing. You're jumping on the wrong person here, I like Jim.

[jet]

I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.

I also take people as I perceive them on the show and rely on their own words and actions off the show and on and my conclusion is, at present, I don't like Jim Davidson.

[Ammi]

I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.

...the reasons I have for not having much respect for Jim are nothing to do with either rumours or gossip as the posts in this thread have stated previously...

[jet]

...the reasons I have for not having much respect for Jim are nothing to do with either rumours or gossip as the posts in this thread have stated previously...

Exactly!

[Kazanne]

You and whoever else has that cockeyed view... penis eyes :idc:

In your face http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/worsttattoos1_450x300.jpg:hugesmile:

[Kizzy]

In your face http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/worsttattoos1_450x300.jpg:hugesmile:

Is that jims wife? :devil:
Told you he was an abuser....

[Northern Monkey]

I have the very original idea of taking people as they are on the show rather than relying on rumours and gossip.
Sorry No!No common sense allowed in here please!:joker:

[jet]

Sorry No!No common sense allowed in here please!:joker:

I see you don't actually read posts but just pick out random ones to be snide about other posters....

[Kizzy]

I agree, people who don't beat their partner or abuse homosexuals should never pass comment on those who admit they do!

[Bojangles]

Come on Jim lad you can win .

[jet]

Come on Jim lad you can win .

Course he can. Look how many on here alone don't mind a bit that he's a male chauvinist pig. (And that's just for starters.)

[MTVN]

Jim is a changed man now, the Lord has saved him

[flamingGalah!]

I'm not basing it just on the past. I don't believe he's changed that much watching him in the house. He's bursting at the seams trying to hold in his anger and keep his nastiness under wraps. But it keeps spilling out in little trickles. It's not my fault I'm very perceptive and pick on on little signs and nuances like that. :hugesmile:

But he IS holding in his anger, despite that nasty, miserable old cow Linda Nolan constantly goading him & trying to make him bite... If he hit Linda or started making racist or homophobic jokes in there, then you would have every right to call him up on his behaviour, but it is wrong to chastise him for mistakes he made in his PAST...

Kazanne, he admitted to wife beating and he offended a gay man on another reality show by calling him a 'shirt - lifter' and with other derogatory remarks. ITV had to apologize for his behaviour. People are NOT just going by what they read in the press.

That is EXACTLY what you are doing! :facepalm:

You said you knew NOTHING about him & found out he had hit his ex wife etc.. by reading a newspaper article online lol... So you are basing ALL of your dislike of him from what you have read...

[coolface]

a brilliant man

[Beso]

He has obviously had his demons which he freely admits and admitted in the house. He should be praised for mending his ways and his charity work and not for some lame hyped up storyline to sell a few rags on a sunday morning.

[jet]

He has obviously had his demons which he freely admits and admitted in the house. He should be praised for mending his ways and his charity work and not for some lame hyped up storyline to sell a few rags on a sunday morning.

How do you know he's mended his ways? As he said he's not being himself in the house, how can you tell?

[jet]

But he IS holding in his anger, despite that nasty, miserable old cow Linda Nolan constantly goading him & trying to make him bite... If he hit Linda or started making racist or homophobic jokes in there, then you would have every right to call him up on his behaviour, but it is wrong to chastise him for mistakes he made in his PAST...



That is EXACTLY what you are doing! :facepalm:

You said you knew NOTHING about him & found out he had hit his ex wife etc.. by reading a newspaper article online lol... So you are basing ALL of your dislike of him from what you have read...

He admitted to wife beating...and I'm not basing ALL my dislike of him on what I have read, but how he is in the house mostly. I've explained why I dislike him many times in this thread, I'm not wasting my time going into it all again.

[Beso]

How do you know he's mended his ways? As he said he's not being himself in the house, how can you tell?

probably the lack of stories being sold about him to the papers.

[jet]

probably the lack of stories being sold about him to the papers.

Lack of interest in Jim Davidson and his washed up career more likely, which is why he's in the CBB house.

[Patricia4]

He's the best in the house the only one that has balls.

[Josy]

Lack of interest in Jim Davidson and his washed up career more likely, which is why he's in the CBB house.

Well he's getting plenty of interest now eh, all this interest and his fee so it's a win win for him.

[jet]

Well he's getting plenty of interest now eh, all this interest and his fee so it's a win win for him.

Like it is for them all. It's more important for him though cos chances are running out for 90 year old grumpy old farts. :hugesmile:

[Kazanne]

How do you know he's mended his ways? As he said he's not being himself in the house, how can you tell?

And how do you know Jet he hasn't?

[jet]

And how do you know Jet he hasn't?

Well, he said if he was being himself he'd get thrown out of the house. Doesn't that tell you something?
I'd rather see Jim being real in there and then decide whether I like him or not.
As it is, all we are seeing is a self - confessed fake who is holding himself back and being boring and grumpy.

[Kazanne]

Well, he said if he was being himself he'd get thrown out of the house. Doesn't that tell you something?
I'd rather see Jim being real in there and then decide whether I like him or not.
As it is, all we are seeing is a self - confessed fake who is holding himself back and being boring and grumpy.

Jet,do you really think he meant that? really? I think he was just trying to make Luisa feel better about her strop,why are some people so desperate to see him lose his temper? Everyone snaps if they are goaded enough and I do know it would be the catalyst for all the " I told you so's"

[Patricia4]

I know that NOW in the house he's great to watch I find him funny, stuff he's done in the past I don't give a toss all them in there will have done something they shouldn't of at some time.

[Kizzy]

C5 set him up, they're hoping he loses it like he did on hells kitchen. You can see something simmering away now, can he contain it? We'll see....

[smudgie]

He still as the habit of walking away I see.
The way he walked away from doing a show because people in wheelchairs were in the front row.
Like walking away from a show because he thought there were far too many young kids with no class and of colour in the town.
He was a nasty piece of work on Hell's Kitchen, nothing funny about him.

Hats off to him for entertaining the troops...his captive audience.

[jet]

Jet,do you really think he meant that? really? I think he was just trying to make Luisa feel better about her strop,why are some people so desperate to see him lose his temper? Everyone snaps if they are goaded enough and I do know it would be the catalyst for all the " I told you so's"

Yes, I do think he meant it. I've said from the beginning that he was keeping a tight rein on himself.
I don't particularly want him to 'snap'. I'd like to see him show some of the personality that he is supposed to have. He comes across as a person who can give it but can't take it; thinks the house should revolve around his needs; is no fun at all; disapproves of nearly everything; acts like he's at least 10 years older than Lionel.
He's just a grumpy old goat with little entertainment value. Surely that's not what made him a legend - he must be so afraid of letting go that he can't enjoy himself.

[Kizzy]

So we can't base opinion on what others say about him, what's been written about him, what he's done previously or what he says about himself in the house....
What can we pass comment on?

[jet]

So we can't base opinion on what others say about him, what's been written about him, what he's done previously or what he says about himself in the house....
What can we pass comment on?

Yes, we are told we should judge him by what he says and does in the house, then when we do we are told he didn't mean it or he's being unfairly goaded.
He's a first class wind up merchant himself but nobody should give it back to poor wee wickle Jim. :rolleyes:

[jet]

I know that NOW in the house he's great to watch I find him funny, stuff he's done in the past I don't give a toss all them in there will have done something they shouldn't of at some time.

How in the name of entertainment is Jim great in the house? Do people watch CBB nowadays to see cantankerous old moans sitting about looking disgruntled and peevish? :shocked:

[Kazanne]

How in the name of entertainment is Jim great in the house? Do people watch CBB nowadays to see cantankerous old moans sitting about looking disgruntled and peevish? :shocked:

You might not like him Jet ,but please afford us the courtesy of conceding other people do ,not all of us watch BB for the same reasons,personally I don't find squealing sexually loose people entertaining, different strokes for different folks ,so I for one will agree to disagree.I've liked him in the house and found him funny even his grumpy bits.

[flamingGalah!]

He admitted to wife beating...and I'm not basing ALL my dislike of him on what I have read, but how he is in the house mostly. I've explained why I dislike him many times in this thread, I'm not wasting my time going into it all again.

Erm you pretty much are, as soon as you found out about his past, you thought he should be hung, drawn & quartered!

You have not exactly said why his behaviour in the house makes you hate him, other than you have a 'gut feeling' about him, so your judgement has been completely about what you have read about his past! :facepalm:

[jet]

You might not like him Jet ,but please afford us the courtesy of conceding other people do ,not all of us watch BB for the same reasons,personally I don't find squealing sexually loose people entertaining, different strokes for different folks ,so I for one will agree to disagree.I've liked him in the house and found him funny even his grumpy bits.

Okay then, I'll concede that for you. :kiss:

I don't find squealing loose people or sulky old farts entertaining. I'm a discerning CBB viewer. :tongue: :joker:

[Livia]

You don't like Jim, jet? I had you down as 'undecided'.......................................

[jet]

Erm you pretty much are, as soon as you found out about his past, you thought he should be hung, drawn & quartered!

You have not exactly said why his behaviour in the house makes you hate him, other than you have a 'gut feeling' about him, so your judgement has been completely about what you have read about his past! :facepalm:

Actually I have. Over and over again for the benefit of those who don't read much. :bored:
By the way, I dislike him, I don't hate him.

[jet]

You don't like Jim, jet? I had you down as 'undecided'.......................................

:joker:

Come on now, its not THAT obvious. :joker:

[erinp5]

5.15pm: Jim is pretending to fish in the pool. It's comical stuff

[Kazanne]

Actually I have. Over and over again for the benefit of those who don't read much. :bored:
By the way, I dislike him, I don't hate him.

Jet ,can I ask do you like Jasmine?

[Ammi]

...I think the reasons why some people don’t find anything to respect about Jim are quite valid, understandable and not at all ‘rumour or gossip’ because they’re things he has admitted to and the main one for me is his violence with females, which I personally find abhorrent in anyone, he also behaved very badly in Hell’s Kitchen...I do understand that people can change but then for me to support him or be a fan, then he would have to ‘show change’ which I can’t see that he has..he’s walked away from a few situations which could have been even more damaging to him had he reacted to them, I’m sure he knows that, so he did the right thing for himself ..whether that indicates a change or a containment, none of us know so we just go with what we think....whether he’s won back any popularity through being on CBB or even if it’s enough to win..?..I don’t really care tbh because for me that isn’t the issue and wouldn’t make him a better or changed person ...only being a better and changed person would make him that ....

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe,Just maybe,We should all stop trying to change each others opinions on him and accept that some people like him and some don't?

[Ammi]

Maybe,Just maybe,We should all stop trying to change each others opinions on him and accept that some people like him and some don't?

...stop with your silly notions, you...trouble-maker..:tongue:....

[jet]

Jet ,can I ask do you like Jasmine?

No, I don't. I just like Ollie, Lionel and Sam really.

[jet]

Maybe,Just maybe,We should all stop trying to change each others opinions on him and accept that some people like him and some don't?

It happens with every HM. Why should Jim get special treatment?

[Josy]

So we can't base opinion on what others say about him, what's been written about him, what he's done previously or what he says about himself in the house....
What can we pass comment on?

Yes, we are told we should judge him by what he says and does in the house, then when we do we are told he didn't mean it or he's being unfairly goaded.
He's a first class wind up merchant himself but nobody should give it back to poor wee wickle Jim. :rolleyes:

No you aren't told you have to do anything what others have said is that they form opinions on the way housemates are during their time on BB.

[jet]

No you aren't told you have to do anything what others have said is that they form opinions on the way housemates are during their time on BB.

No, I was referring to being told, "You should judge him for his time in the house". Not by all, but by some.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

But Jim told Luisa he was a male chauvinist and was keeping his mouth shut and behaving in the house.

He's just bull****ting viewers so I judge him on his behaviour outside seeing as he told Luisa he purposely wasn't being himself, something needs to happen to make his true colours come out as we have only seen glimpses of it.

If he's not going to play the game and show who he really is then its a waste of Channel 5's fee to be honest.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Didn't you hear him say if he was himself in the house he would be kicked out? I couldn't vote for someone when I don't know who they are other than the mostly negative things I have heard about them and some of which they themselves have admitted to. How can one gauge that someone has changed if they have admitted they are suppressing their real personality?

Ageism and sexism are both wrong. So is homophobia, racism and wife beating.

Exactly! For some reason people don't seem to pick up on these conversations or if they do and agree with it then they're support him being fake and not wanting to be there.

[erinp5]

But Jim told Luisa he was a male chauvinist and was keeping his mouth shut and behaving in the house.

He's just bull****ting viewers so I judge him on his behaviour outside seeing as he told Luisa he purposely wasn't being himself, something needs to happen to make his true colours come out as we have only seen glimpses of it.

If he's not going to play the game and show who he really is then its a waste of Channel 5's fee to be honest.

That's what I feel about Jim .He has not demonstrated he is a changed man ,he is just performing in the house .

[letmein]

That's what I feel about Jim .He has not demonstrated he is a changed man ,he is just performing in the house .

Of course! Keep in mind the reason he went on the show to begin with.

[Ammi]

That's what I feel about Jim .He has not demonstrated he is a changed man ,he is just performing in the house .


..tbh, I don’t know if he’s ‘performing’ or not..if he hadn’t changed then it would certainly be too damaging for him to show that and I’m sure he’s hoping to improve his public image but that doesn't mean to say that it is a 'performance' ..I’m not really waiting for him to ‘lose it’ either because that would also be an extreme that I don’t think he would do...unlike the normal BB, I think that all of us have preconceived opinions of celebrity housemates and especially the more controversial ones ...and if those opinions are negative then we only change them through their behaviour in the house...and so far, I haven’t seen anything of Jim’s behaviour that would change my opinion, which is a judgement of his time in the house because it’s a judgement that there is nothing I can see that I could support as a housemate...

[Videostar]

Of course! Keep in mind the reason he went on the show to begin with.

They are all on the show to either improve or boost their images in one way or another.

[erinp5]

Luisa Zissman and Jim Davidson clash in tonight’s Celeb Big Brother over nominations.



The pair nominate one another face to face, with Luisa saying: “My first nomination is Jim because he’s f**g a**hole and he’s been a right miserable b**tard for the last three days. He’s getting on my tits.”

Jim returned the favour: “I nominate Luisa because I think she is manipulating everybody to focus on her. I

“f I hear once more how many companies she’s got and how many millions she has in the bank. I don’t think I’ve ever met a more bossy, arrogant, self centred person in my life.”

Later, Luisa is talking to Sam and Casey about Jim.



Luisa says: “Do you know what he should of got up and said, I nominate Luisa because I’ve never met such a successful and f**ing he’s never met a woman like me because he’s a sexist pig.”

In the Diary Room, Jim tells BB: “I’m not mad, you don’t get mad, you get even, somehow. Revenge is a dish that’s served cold. Break us do we not bleed, tickle us do we not laugh, wrong us shall we not revenge”


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[Ammi]

...wow, revenge...strong words...

[erinp5]

...wow, revenge...strong words...

That's the Jim I know .

[joeysteele]

Luisa Zissman and Jim Davidson clash in tonight’s Celeb Big Brother over nominations.



The pair nominate one another face to face, with Luisa saying: “My first nomination is Jim because he’s f**g a**hole and he’s been a right miserable b**tard for the last three days. He’s getting on my tits.”

Jim returned the favour: “I nominate Luisa because I think she is manipulating everybody to focus on her. I

“f I hear once more how many companies she’s got and how many millions she has in the bank. I don’t think I’ve ever met a more bossy, arrogant, self centred person in my life.”

Later, Luisa is talking to Sam and Casey about Jim.



Luisa says: “Do you know what he should of got up and said, I nominate Luisa because I’ve never met such a successful and f**ing he’s never met a woman like me because he’s a sexist pig.”

In the Diary Room, Jim tells BB: “I’m not mad, you don’t get mad, you get even, somehow. Revenge is a dish that’s served cold. Break us do we not bleed, tickle us do we not laugh, wrong us shall we not revenge”


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For me he is absolutely spot on as to the bit in bold.

[MrWong]

.



The pair nominate one another face to face, with Luisa saying: “My first nomination is Jim because he’s f**g a**hole and he’s been a right miserable b**tard for the last three days. He’s getting on my tits.”

:joker:

Keep it up Luisa!

[Kazanne]

For me he is absolutely spot on as to the bit in bold.

Yeah me too Joey,lol could only come from Jim:hugesmile:

[Jake.]

Jim just doesn't like the fact that he's met a person who is like him, who so happens to be a woman.

[jet]

In the Diary Room, Jim tells BB: “I’m not mad, you don’t get mad, you get even, somehow. Revenge is a dish that’s served cold. Break us do we not bleed, tickle us do we not laugh, wrong us shall we not revenge”


He sounds like a deranged terrorist. :umm2:

[erinp5]

11.09pm: Linda: "I can't be two-faced." Jim: "You should try it, it'll open up a world of possibilities

[Z]

Fair play really, tit for tat. Luisa dishes it out and can't take it when people give it back to her - what does she expect when she's effing and blinding in her reasons for nominating someone? Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch... it's all she knows, she does something offensive, gets it thrown back at her and she can't handle it

[Kazanne]

He sounds like a deranged terrorist. :umm2:

:joker::joker::joker:

[joeysteele]

11.09pm: Linda: "I can't be two-faced." Jim: "You should try it, it'll open up a world of possibilities

Thank all powers that be Linda cannot be 2 faced, we don't want to see another face like hers that she has on constantly in the house.

[Kazanne]

11.09pm: Linda: "I can't be two-faced." Jim: "You should try it, it'll open up a world of possibilities

Shes not two faced otherwise she wouldn't come out with the one she does!!

[Kazanne]

Thank all powers that be Linda cannot be 2 faced, we don't want to see another face like hers that she has on constantly in the house.

:joker::joker:

[joeysteele]

Shes not two faced otherwise she wouldn't come out with the one she does!!

:joker: Brilliant Kazanne, far better than my comment.:joker::joker:

[sampvt]

Shes not two faced otherwise she wouldn't come out with the one she does!!

Quote of the week. :dance::dance::dance:

[smudgie]

Shes not two faced otherwise she wouldn't come out with the one she does!!

:joker::joker::joker: naughty.

She has had a hard life mind.

[Kazanne]

:joker: Brilliant Kazanne, far better than my comment.:joker::joker:

no loved yours Joey:hugesmile:

[Kazanne]

:joker::joker::joker: naughty.

She has had a hard life mind.

Sorry smudgie I know you like her but Grrrrr she winds me up

[Kazanne]

Quote of the week. :dance::dance::dance:

Hi Sam :xyxwave:

[Ammi]

Fair play really, tit for tat. Luisa dishes it out and can't take it when people give it back to her - what does she expect when she's effing and blinding in her reasons for nominating someone? Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch... it's all she knows, she does something offensive, gets it thrown back at her and she can't handle it

..yeah, but with those two, I don't think that you can lay the blame on one more than the other, because they just really don't like each other or anything the other one stands for and neither of them are very gracious about it....

[Cherie]

Luisa set the tone for the noms though, and they went straight to Jim after she had her say (there is a bit of psychology in there somewhere).

[Kazanne]

Luisa set the tone for the noms though, and they went straight to Jim after she had her say (there is a bit of psychology in there somewhere).

She really did Cherie,and thought she was funny and clever into the bargain,to me it just looked bitter and attention seeking.

[Northern Monkey]

Shes not two faced otherwise she wouldn't come out with the one she does!!:cheer: :thumbs:

[optimisticcynic]

Well as I said there is something about him that doesn't ring true to me. I think he's holding himself well in check. But each to their own and I'm done talking about someone who normally I wouldn't waste my time on.

I have no first-hand evidence about any of Jim's quoted misgivings and can be wary of him as I watch the show, but thus far, despite his sense of humour being from a time past, I have been really impressed at how he has handled mardy-arse Linda attacking him at every opportunity and trying to turn everyone against him. Not sure what she's done of note in the last 30 years yet she acts like the Queen of Sheeba!
You state that he is holding himself well in check but surely that is a sign of growth if he has been guilty and violent in the past, and I'd probably be prouder of him if he has turned himself around. Past misgivings if true are still reprehensible but change is applauded.