Couple who took their children out of school for a week's holiday could go to Jail

[arista]

As they have not paid the fines


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[Couple who took their children out
of school for a week's holiday
in Rhodes could face jail for
refusing to pay fines
Stewart and Natasha Sutherland
will appear at Telford Magistrates' Court
Couple refused to pay initial £360 fine
after holiday at the end of September
They booked the holiday for their
three children before guidelines came in
Penalty then doubled to £720
because it was not paid within 21 days
Now the week-long break could
cost up to £2,000 and pair could be jailed
Under new rules, children can
only take days off for holiday
in 'execptional circumstances']


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He should have paid the low £360 fine
at the start.


Chuck him in jail
use it as a warning for other
Wise ass parents



Sign Of The Times

[Cherie]

They get what they deserve, we all know the rules now so just abide like them like everyone else.

[Vicky.]

IMO its worth paying the 300 quid fine and taking them out during term time. Holidays tend to be a grand or more more expensive in the school holidays.

I dont really see the problem with young kids having time off if I am honest. Seniors yeah, when they are actually learning set stuff.

I will be taking Skye away during term time and if I get a fine so be it. I refuse to pay 5x+ what the normal rates are.

[Cherie]

IMO its worth paying the 300 quid fine and taking them out during term time. Holidays tend to be a grand or more more expensive in the school holidays.

I dont really see the problem with young kids having time off if I am honest. Seniors yeah, when they are actually learning set stuff.

I will be taking Skye away during term time and if I get a fine so be it. I refuse to pay 5x+ what the normal rates are.

:suspect: they don't look that young (the kids that is).

[Lee.]

I take my kids out every year and will continue to do so until they start secondary school. I think it's shocking how much the holiday companies increase their prices by during school holiday time! Our holiday last year would have been £1000 more to go on the last day of June rather than the middle if the month . **** that ****!

[Vicky.]

Dont look old enough to be doing exams/coursework or anything either to me.

Maybe I am just getting old and everyone looks really young to me :blush2:

[Jesus.]

:suspect: they don't look that young (the kids that is).

We've all used that defence, Cherie.

[Cherie]

Dont look old enough to be doing exams/coursework or anything either to me.

Maybe I am just getting old and everyone looks really young to me :blush2:

The one on the far right has breasts!

[Cherie]

We've all used that defence, Cherie.

:joker: welcome back.

[Niamh.]

IMO its worth paying the 300 quid fine and taking them out during term time. Holidays tend to be a grand or more more expensive in the school holidays.

I dont really see the problem with young kids having time off if I am honest. Seniors yeah, when they are actually learning set stuff.

I will be taking Skye away during term time and if I get a fine so be it. I refuse to pay 5x+ what the normal rates are.

I agree, ffs we're the parents (obviously this rule isn't here, but you know)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Perhaps this country would be better off if people were not conditioned into thinking they need to go holidays all the time. Most working drones get 2 days off EVERY week ffs

[smudgie]

Ridiculous.
The government are going about it all wrong.
As has been said, it is far cheaper to pay the fines than the outrageous price hikes the holidays cost at school holiday times.
Once more parents cotton on and take advantage, they will probably have to do a u-turn due to class disruption.
They should be sorting it by stopping the massive price rises in school holdays.

[Vicky.]

The one on the far right has breasts!

I had breasts at 10 years old :(

[Cherie]

I had breasts at 10 years old :(

My commiserations :bawling:

[arista]

They get what they deserve, we all know the rules now so just abide like them like everyone else.


Yes he is taking the piss


Lock him in Jail
Set a Example
Hit Hard



Feel The Force

[arista]

I had breasts at 10 years old :(


how nice for you

[Nedusa]

Storm in a D-Cup !!!!

[Lee.]

Perhaps this country would be better off if people were not conditioned into thinking they need to go holidays all the time. Most working drones get 2 days off EVERY week ffs

I don't understand what you mean?

[Kazanne]

I think it's wrong,the teachers don't give a toss when they have PD Days and are on strike,where is the concern for kids education then? Also you could lie and say the child was poorly what would they do then? Too many daft rules if you ask me.

[Nedusa]

Taking the Kids out of School once or twice is really NOT going to destroy their education is it ?

I mean they could be off sick for weeks...........what ya gonna do then

This whole story is nonsense.......

[arista]

Taking the Kids out of School once or twice is really NOT going to destroy their education is it ?

I mean they could be off sick for weeks...........what ya gonna do then

This whole story is nonsense.......

Yes it Does.


We need this Stopped
Bang him in Jail
Set a Example

[Z]

Why on earth is there now legislation that means parents get fined for taking their kids out of school?? I went on a week long holiday in my final year of school in September because my brother was getting married in Italy and the reaction of two of my teachers was ridiculous, one of them was furious because I didn't tell them and he wanted to give me lots of homework :rolleyes: and the other one was annoyed because I was behind on work - fair enough to be concerned about me having to catch up, but it's a week, maximum lesson time for any one class in a week is gonna be what, 5 lessons tops if it was something like English? Hardly missing out on all that much work

[Z]

This is a bit of a non-point but also I think that it's stupid that we indoctrinate children into believing that having a summer holiday is a God given right, that from June/July to August/September you will be off on holidays and maybe you'll go abroad and yes it's expensive but that's okay because you have to go on holiday then... when in reality most employers would be delighted if you took your annual leave in like February, March, May, September or November, i.e. not at school holiday times when everybody else (people with kids) are taking their holidays. It's cheaper to go abroad at off peak times.

[arista]

This is a bit of a non-point but also I think that it's stupid that we indoctrinate children into believing that having a summer holiday is a God given right, that from June/July to August/September you will be off on holidays and maybe you'll go abroad and yes it's expensive but that's okay because you have to go on holiday then... when in reality most employers would be delighted if you took your annual leave in like February, March, May, September or November, i.e. not at school holiday times when everybody else (people with kids) are taking their holidays. It's cheaper to go abroad at off peak times.




Sure
so that Dad
should have paid the First Fine of £360
but the Fool refused to.

So Bang Him in Jail
set a Example

[Redway]

Sure
so that Dad
should have paid the First Fine of £360
but the Fool refused to.

So Bang Him in Jail
set a Example


How have you come up with this one now?

[Z]

I think the fine is ridiculous, I wouldn't pay it either. They went on holiday, not to jail!

[Ammi]

..I don't understand because the fines can't be enforced until after 10 days holiday have been taken..?...they would only get a penalty notice/warning of fine....

[arista]

..I don't understand because the fines can't be enforced until after 10 days holiday have been taken..?...they would only get a penalty notice/warning of fine....


We Must Set a Example
or you will have a Empty Class
Lady

[arista]

I think the fine is ridiculous, I wouldn't pay it either. They went on holiday, not to jail!



I am sure some blokes would love you in Jail
with them.

[Samm]

this is stupid my mum and dad took me off for a week in school once to go on holiday nothing happened it's only a week off

[Ammi]

We Must Set a Example
or you will have a Empty Class
Lady

..yeah, but that's not what I'm saying though, Arista...10 days is meant to be a standard time before fines can be enforced so I don't understand..a penalty notice is just a warning but you don't get that unless you take more than 10 days unauthorised absence...maybe they had other time off that we don't know about..?..

[Vicky.]

We Must Set a Example
or you will have a Empty Class
Lady

There was never empty classes before this fine was brought in/enforced (might have been there all the time just never used)

[Ammi]

There was never empty classes before this fine was brought in/enforced (might have been there all the time just never used)

..do you mean the fine never used...?..

[Vicky.]

..do you mean the fine never used...?..

Yeah, well..I mean back when I was at school. My parents always took us during term time and never got a fine or threatened with one either

And the classes were never empty like arista claims will happen without the fine...

[Ammi]

Yeah, well..I mean back when I was at school. My parents always took us during term time and never got a fine or threatened with one either

And the classes were never empty like arista claims will happen without the fine...

..I don't think that you will ever stop parents taking their children out of school because it's so ridiculously expensive in holiday time and really that's what should be looked at, but I guess that it's impossible to do anything about it...I just don't understand with this family how they got any fine at all after 5 days..I think there is probably more to it all....

[Vicky.]

The only way to stop it is to make the fines higher, so the cost of the fine is greater than the cost of taking the kids in the holidays. But I dont think hats fair as most families wont be able to afford to go at all then, and I really do think (especially with kids 5+) getting to know different cultures and such is more educational and beneficial that anything they might be doing at school. Of course I am again excluding kids doing their exams...even though most exam questions are pointless and you never use it again in life after sitting GCSEs

[Ammi]

The only way to stop it is to make the fines higher, so the cost of the fine is greater than the cost of taking the kids in the holidays. But I dont think hats fair as most families wont be able to afford to go at all then, and I really do think (especially with kids 5+) getting to know different cultures and such is more educational and beneficial that anything they might be doing at school. Of course I am again excluding kids doing their exams...even though most exam questions are pointless and you never use it again in life after sitting GCSEs

..but even then, I'm not sure how they would enforce the fines which is why this story doesn't quite make sense to me....but yeah, lots of people can't afford to go on holiday anyway but if others had to pay much higher prices, it would start to make holidays even in this country, become 'exclusive' things....

[AnnieK]

The schools round here used to allow the 10 days Ammi but now the kids all had a letter before the start of the september term saying no days are allowed at all unless in exceptional circumstances during term time. A fine will be imposed and in the case of parents being separated each parent will be fined per child.

[Ammi]

The schools round here used to allow the 10 days Ammi but now the kids all had a letter before the start of the september term saying no days are allowed at all unless in exceptional circumstances during term time. A fine will be imposed and in the case of parents being separated each parent will be fined per child.

..yeah, we had the same letter here as well, Annie..(I presume it's the same one..)..because it all changed in September but so far as I know, it's just that authorised absences for holiday aren't allowed anymore, except in exceptional circumstances as you said but after 10 days a penalty notice will be given, which is just basically a warning that if any more holiday is taken in that year, a fine can be imposed...but this school have just fined straight away after 5 days..?...

[Vicky.]

What is an 'exceptional circumstance' for a holiday?

Would saying me and gav were getting married class as that I wonder. Then we could convert our faith in a ritual the next year, then possibly have a funeral abroad....etc etc

Sorted :D

[user104658]

Ridiculous, and further proof that those in power are increasingly keen to consider all children to be wards of the state.

If a child is well socially integrated and isn't having problems understanding or keeping up with school work, then it is no one else's ****ing business how many days they are or aren't in school! If they are performing poorly academically then, yes, fine, questions need to be asked. Otherwise, what exactly is the problem? Urgh.

[GypsyGoth]

Jail is too good for them.

[Z]

Jail is too good for them.

Think we're gonna need to melt their credit/debit cards to their faces just to teach them a lesson

[GypsyGoth]

:laugh2:

[Ammi]

What is an 'exceptional circumstance' for a holiday?

Would saying me and gav were getting married class as that I wonder. Then we could convert our faith in a ritual the next year, then possibly have a funeral abroad....etc etc

Sorted :D

..:laugh:..but yeah, a parent's marriage would be exceptional circumstances..in our school anyway but I don't know if it's the same in all places...

[thesheriff443]

a penalty notice includes a fine!.
anyone that's ever had a parking ticket will know this!,
their fine will not go away, they should of payed the first fine amount.
once the government makes these changes they become law

[Nedusa]

This is the type of story that really makes my blood boil. I cannot believe the simple act of taking your children on holiday early is treated as such a crime. I cannot believe this couple have been asked to pay £1,000.......

Absolutely unbelievable........I would tell the State to ******* Off and stop being ridiculous

What about all the thousands of children from poor families or underprivileged families who miss school by playing truant.

Or the thousands of Children from single parent families who have to look after their younger siblings and miss school as a result or the children who miss school because their parents or parent is sick and they are carers for them ??

I don't see the state trying to fine those parents thousands of pounds becuase their children have missed some school time.

Utter nonsense of the highest order , completely unfair and unjust and NO way should they even attempt to pay it.....!!!!!

[Munchkins]

Primary school i don't think it matters, but taking them out during GCSES is a different matter, these children dont look that age though so i dont see the problem lol

[Cherie]

Can anyone confirm to me what age they think the "child" is on the far right, the one with the hoop earrings and groomed eyebrows?


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[Munchkins]

Can anyone confirm to me what age they think the "child" is on the far right, the one with the hoop earrings and groomed eyebrows?


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Ooh i didnt even look at her:joker:
She must be atleast 14, so probably GCSE age hm:/

[Cherie]

Ooh i didnt even look at her:joker:
She must be atleast 14, so probably GCSE age hm:/

:joker: Thank you! I thought I was going mad.

[AnnieK]

It says in the article the children are 6,13 and 15.

[Niamh.]

The 15 year old looks like Tina from corrie

[Cherie]

It says in the article the children are 6,13 and 15.

Thanks I didn't read it

The 15 year old looks like Tina from corrie

Probably modelled herself on her.


So the 15 year old will be studying for GCSEs and was only a few weeks into term when she was pulled out again so they could have a holiday, beggars belief to me honestly!

[kazza]

The oldest is 15 & doing her GCSE's. Some people think they were only fined because of them taking the holiday during term time. The school refused permission because the oldest daughter has a poor attendance record. Obviously her past attendance was taken on board & this was why permission for the holiday was denied

[Ammi]

Thanks I didn't read it



Probably modelled herself on her.


So the 15 year old will be studying for GCSEs and was only a few weeks into term when she was pulled out again so they could have a holiday, beggars belief to me honestly!

..yeah, I think that there is definitely more to this story because they wouldn't have got a penalty notice anyway for the time it says the children were absent so I think that maybe they had more time off on a separate occasion as well as it being a GCSE year for one of them ...