View Full Version : Jim is such a lying coward!
In the garden he lied about what he said about Luisa missing having a man. He obviously knew what he said was wrong or else he would have given the true version.
Then when he said to Luisa "ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room" and she confronted him he first of all denied he said it at all!!! then when he realized that wasn't going to wash he tried to blubber his way out of it. Then he blames Luisa for telling Linda when he asked her to! He is an absolute lying coward.
I hate the way he operates. He lights the fire, blames the other person for reacting and when they do he either walks away or acts all innocent and 'amazed'.
Linda wasn't blameless, but he is a manipulative lying coward and I don't get that some people can't see that.
sampvt
16-01-2014, 10:03 PM
wrong
wrong
Are you saying he didn't lie?
Lister of Smeg
16-01-2014, 10:07 PM
Jim's such a Legend :dance:
PrincessIona
16-01-2014, 10:08 PM
Right! Bots seems to be taking Linda's side :dance:
Me. I Am Salman
16-01-2014, 10:09 PM
Agreed
Jim's such a Legend :dance:
no he isn't.
smudgie
16-01-2014, 10:10 PM
If you are going to fib, best not do it on camera:joker:
Livia
16-01-2014, 10:12 PM
Linda's been picking on him since they went in, she's a pain in the arse.
Lister of Smeg
16-01-2014, 10:15 PM
Linda's been picking on him since they went in, she's a pain in the arse.
:worship:
Lister of Smeg
16-01-2014, 10:16 PM
no he isn't.
Yes he is :xyxwave:
Livia
16-01-2014, 10:17 PM
This thread should be called Luisa is **** stirring cow.
GiRTh
16-01-2014, 10:20 PM
Linda's been picking on him since they went in, she's a pain in the arse.:worship:
Me. I Am Salman
16-01-2014, 10:21 PM
Yes he is :xyxwave:
swmwisnabvxjav why are there always people during on season whose posts just seriously piss you off and you really want to insult them but you don't want to be banned I'm really really struggling here
Benjamin
16-01-2014, 10:26 PM
swmwisnabvxjav why are there always people during on season whose posts just seriously piss you off and you really want to insult them but you don't want to be banned I'm really really struggling here
I know how you feel. Don't let them get to you. We have Luisa and Liz in there still. :dazzler:
Lister of Smeg
16-01-2014, 10:27 PM
swmwisnabvxjav why are there always people during on season whose posts just seriously piss you off and you really want to insult them but you don't want to be banned I'm really really struggling here
LEGEND :xyxwave:
Me. I Am Salman
16-01-2014, 10:28 PM
I know how you feel. Don't let them get to you. We have Luisa and Liz in there still. :dazzler:
:love:
Me. I Am Salman
16-01-2014, 10:30 PM
LEGEND :xyxwave:
You're trying too hard now and it's not working
Me. I Am Salman
16-01-2014, 10:30 PM
-leaves thread before I get infracted-
Benjamin
16-01-2014, 10:32 PM
-leaves thread before I get infracted-
Come to the Luisa fan club thread. All is good in there :hugesmile:
sampvt
16-01-2014, 10:33 PM
In the garden he lied about what he said about Luisa missing having a man. He obviously knew what he said was wrong or else he would have given the true version.
Then when he said to Luisa "ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room" and she confronted him he first of all denied he said it at all!!! then when he realized that wasn't going to wash he tried to blubber his way out of it. Then he blames Luisa for telling Linda when he asked her to! He is an absolute lying coward.
I hate the way he operates. He lights the fire, blames the other person for reacting and when they do he either walks away or acts all innocent and 'amazed'.
Linda wasn't blameless, but he is a manipulative lying coward and I don't get that some people can't see that.
He didn't blurt out ask her, he said her anger must be something to do with Frank carson, then he said in response to a blank look, ask her about Carson dressing room. Jim knows why she hates him and he wanted it out in the open to clear the air. Its out now and the silly cow is playing the victim. I don't care whether or not its your dad, son or grandson, nobody has the right to defend a convicted theif and as for not talking ill of the dead, should we all now praise Jimmy saville or anyone bad who has passed, I think not.
Benjamin
16-01-2014, 10:34 PM
He didn't blurt out ask her, he said her anger must be something to do with Frank carson, then he said in response to a blank look, ask her about Carson dressing room. Jim knows why she hates him and he wanted it out in the open to clear the air. Its out now and the silly cow is playing the victim. I don't care whether or not its your dad, son or grandson, nobody has the right to defend a convicted theif and as for not talking ill of the dead, should we all now praise Jimmy saville or anyone bad who has passed, I think not.
But it's okay for people to defend a wife beater?
chuff me dizzy
16-01-2014, 10:35 PM
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
Benjamin
16-01-2014, 10:35 PM
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
:worship:
chuff me dizzy
16-01-2014, 10:36 PM
He didn't blurt out ask her, he said her anger must be something to do with Frank carson, then he said in response to a blank look, ask her about Carson dressing room. Jim knows why she hates him and he wanted it out in the open to clear the air. Its out now and the silly cow is playing the victim. I don't care whether or not its your dad, son or grandson, nobody has the right to defend a convicted theif and as for not talking ill of the dead, should we all now praise Jimmy saville or anyone bad who has passed, I think not.
Sorry Sam got to disagree here, he said that to cut her to the bone ,and it worked,never hated anyone in BB so much ,linda lost her sister last year,,she didnt need that ,and there was no need to say that,. he said it to hurt her and hes done what he set out to do
Me. I Am Salman
16-01-2014, 10:36 PM
you've seen the light :shocked:
chuff me dizzy
16-01-2014, 10:37 PM
:worship:
Ive got smoke coming out of my bloody ears, Ive never ,ever seen anyone stoop so low ,just watched it as i had it on catch up because hubby watching tv ,Im livid
sampvt
16-01-2014, 10:41 PM
Sorry Sam got to disagree here, he said that to cut her to the bone ,and it worked,never hated anyone in BB so much ,linda lost her sister last year,,she didnt need that ,and there was no need to say that,. he said it to hurt her and hes done what he set out to do
We don't disagree, I have stated on several posts that he was wrong to say it but I was offering a reason for why he said it. 2 wrongs never make a right.
chuff me dizzy
16-01-2014, 10:45 PM
We don't disagree, I have stated on several posts that he was wrong to say it but I was offering a reason for why he said it. 2 wrongs never make a right.
Sams there is never a reason to justify what Jim did tonight ,Im off before I get banned ,my sister died 3 yrs ago if ever anyone said one word about her ,esp now shes not here to defend herself I would do time for it
smudgie
16-01-2014, 10:50 PM
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
:worship: common sense .:hugesmile:
optimisticcynic
16-01-2014, 10:51 PM
Sorry Sam got to disagree here, he said that to cut her to the bone ,and it worked,never hated anyone in BB so much ,linda lost her sister last year,,she didnt need that ,and there was no need to say that,. he said it to hurt her and hes done what he set out to do
Nah Chuff. I might agree with you if he had pulled out an unrelated issue during their first argument, but this is him trying to defend himself against a constant assault from Linda, especially as she is turning the house against him and he knows that his role in getting her hubby arrested is at the heart of her hatred towards him. If someone constantly berated me for helping bring a relative to justice, and people were being poisoned against me, I would want the facts made public whether their loved one was dead, dying or sat beside me so as to clear the air. I'm amazed he's held his tongue for so long, but I believe he was going for a live and let live approach.
Vanessa
16-01-2014, 10:54 PM
Nah Chuff. I might agree with you if he had pulled out an unrelated issue during their first argument, but this is him trying to defend himself against a constant assault from Linda, especially as she is turning the house against him and he knows that his role in getting her hubby arrested is at the heart of her hatred towards him. If someone constantly berated me for helping bring a relative to justice, and people were being poisoned against me, I would want the facts made public whether their loved one was dead, dying or sat beside me so as to clear the air. I'm amazed he's held his tongue for so long, but I believe he was going for a live and let live approach.
:thumbs:
Nah Chuff. I might agree with you if he had pulled out an unrelated issue during their first argument, but this is him trying to defend himself against a constant assault from Linda, especially as she is turning the house against him and he knows that his role in getting her hubby arrested is at the heart of her hatred towards him. If someone constantly berated me for helping bring a relative to justice, and people were being poisoned against me, I would want the facts made public whether their loved one was dead, dying or sat beside me so as to clear the air. I'm amazed he's held his tongue for so long, but I believe he was going for a live and let live approach.
I agree with you. What he did was horrible but she has been trying to get him to do something like this for two weeks!
rionablue
16-01-2014, 10:59 PM
I personally CANNOT STAND HIM. I don't like Linda much either but Jim is arrogant, preachy, nasty, homophobic and rude and I cannot for the LIFE of me think of why anyone should support him in here. He won over the general public twice now and no way in the world would I ever pick up the phone to save him. I don't know why people spent so much of their cash saving him. Linda is no angel and she has been contributing to their bust ups also but Jim is plain NASTY and a horrible horrible man. And its my opinion and Im entitled to it before anyone comes shouting the odds at me
Arrow
16-01-2014, 11:01 PM
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
how do you fill about jimmy savil
how dare all these woman say these things about him when he cannot defend himself
do you see how floored your logic is ?
Cherie
16-01-2014, 11:06 PM
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
What it's not like he made it up! You could see he knew he put his foot in it and tried desperately to backtrack which shows humanity on his part. She played her part in needling him constantly as well.
Vanessa
16-01-2014, 11:08 PM
What it's not like he made it up! You could see he knew he put his foot in it and tried desperately to backtrack which shows humanity on his part. She played her part in needling him constantly as well.
I know, right? He just needs to blank her completely. That's what i would do. Sometimes there's no other way.
RomanyGirl
16-01-2014, 11:09 PM
I personally CANNOT STAND HIM. I don't like Linda much either but Jim is arrogant, preachy, nasty, homophobic and rude and I cannot for the LIFE of me think of why anyone should support him in here. He won over the general public twice now and no way in the world would I ever pick up the phone to save him. I don't know why people spent so much of their cash saving him. Linda is no angel and she has been contributing to their bust ups also but Jim is plain NASTY and a horrible horrible man. And its my opinion and Im entitled to it before anyone comes shouting the odds at me
:cat: I totally agree. Jim likes to poke the fire and then claim he didnt do anything and its all Linda's (or whoever else) fault. He shouldnt have brought it up as it was Linda's husband that committed the crime not Linda!
He is really scum for doing this!
anne666
16-01-2014, 11:10 PM
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
I agree. What a vicious and shocking thing to say. How low can anyone go? Would he dare say that to any man about his deceased wife? Then he lied about it and than tried to blame Louisa for telling her. He didn't even have the balls to say it to her face! I'm sickened.
anne666
16-01-2014, 11:12 PM
What it's not like he made it up! You could see he knew he put his foot in it and tried desperately to backtrack which shows humanity on his part. She played her part in needling him constantly as well.
I don't think he expected Louisa to tell her and then blamed her for doing so. What a coward! Linda didn't commit the crime either. No-one deserves that cruelty.
anne666
16-01-2014, 11:14 PM
Nah Chuff. I might agree with you if he had pulled out an unrelated issue during their first argument, but this is him trying to defend himself against a constant assault from Linda, especially as she is turning the house against him and he knows that his role in getting her hubby arrested is at the heart of her hatred towards him. If someone constantly berated me for helping bring a relative to justice, and people were being poisoned against me, I would want the facts made public whether their loved one was dead, dying or sat beside me so as to clear the air. I'm amazed he's held his tongue for so long, but I believe he was going for a live and let live approach.
Why didn't he speak to her privately about it then?
I agree. What a vicious and shocking thing to say. How low can anyone go? Would he dare say that to any man about his deceased wife? Then he lied about it and than tried to blame Louisa for telling her. He didn't even have the balls to say it to her face! I'm sickened.
Of course he didn't have the balls to say it to her face, it was a cheap shot and he knew it - I don't really see the point in offering up the "would he say it to a man about his deceased wife" argument because that doesn't apply to any of the other male housemates, none of them have deceased spouses. He knew what he said was offensive and wrong which is why he backtracked and tried to lie about it.
However, Linda has been gunning for him for two weeks. She's been trying to provoke him into doing something like this and now she's finally gotten her wish - and she didn't like the end result. What was she expecting? So I don't really have any sympathy for her on that front, she's been goading him on purpose for exactly this scenario to unfold; but I feel sorry for her that he took such a cheap shot at her.
joeysteele
16-01-2014, 11:19 PM
Linda's been picking on him since they went in, she's a pain in the arse.
She has indeed, I think Jim meant to get this out as he thinks it can be the only thing that she can hate him for.
he went around it an odd way I'd agree but as you say she has been picking on him since they went in and she wanted a full blown outburst.
Well done to him again for not giving her that and despite the way he went around it,in my view, she is the one who looks the more ridiculous and vindictive again from their tussles tonight.
She is miserable, unforgiving, rotten and a nasty piece of work just like her Sister is too.
For me she got a bit of what was coming her tonight and now she has more reason to be sour faced and set out playing the victim just like her Sister before her in the house..
MachoPoodle
16-01-2014, 11:29 PM
how do you fill about jimmy savil
how dare all these woman say these things about him when he cannot defend himself
do you see how floored your logic is ?
Yeah, because stealing money from someone's wallet is TOTALLY like being a sexual predator. :rolleyes:
MrWong
16-01-2014, 11:44 PM
What it's not like he made it up! You could see he knew he put his foot in it and tried desperately to backtrack which shows humanity on his part. She played her part in needling him constantly as well.
Or maybe the backtracking was because he doesn't want to lose the public's support.
Or maybe the backtracking was because he doesn't want to lose the public's support.
Jim? The man who openly, intentionally insulted the crowd outside on the last eviction? I somehow don't think so. The guy didn't have any public support going into this program.
MrWong
16-01-2014, 11:49 PM
Why didn't he speak to her privately about it then?
Exactly.
Apparently he's been goading her about the incident already when he made a dig about helping her out in Blackpool. Anyone remember when that happened?
MrWong
16-01-2014, 11:51 PM
Jim? The man who openly, intentionally insulted the crowd outside on the last eviction? I somehow don't think so. The guy didn't have any public support going into this program.
He knows he has the public support from being saved first twice and the cheers from the rent a mob.
coolface
16-01-2014, 11:53 PM
that whole argument was really uncomfortable viewing,
He knows he has the public support from being saved first twice and the cheers from the rent a mob.
You could be right, but the guy's shown on numerous occasions that he's not the horrible wanker that the media like to make him out to be - he gave Luisa a pep talk the night she'd argued with Dappy and Lionel; he's laughed and joked with Linda in between scrapping with her etc... he said what he said to Luisa, not Linda, and when he found out that Linda knew what he'd said, he backtracked because he didn't ever intend for her to hear it. He recognised that what he said was wrong, regardless of whether or not he and Linda hate each other, it wasn't fair and he recognised that. It's a bit cynical to think he only tried to apologise and backtracked because of what the public might think, 1) because who does that and 2) because okay he might have been cheered there but he is more than aware that the public know all about his past and consider him to be an arsehole, he was cast as the house villain and it hasn't turned out like that at all until maybe now.
optimisticcynic
16-01-2014, 11:58 PM
Why didn't he speak to her privately about it then?
Linda has never spoken to Jim privately. Linda has ralled her coven repeatedly, publicly lambasted Jim at every opportunity, and even on his first CBB night, on what might have been the first day of a new life/career for him, he had to listen to her slag him off in front of the nation (unprovoked as well, unless 20yrs ago still counts and is relevant, especially considering he has had his own difficulties over the last year and demons to deal with.) Also, earlier in the night after making dinner, she verbally went for him again in front of everyone, telling him not to bother.
If he is trying to learn self-control and avoid conflict, he needs to avoid the poison dwarf at all costs. Apologies to dwarves.
joeysteele
16-01-2014, 11:59 PM
I know, right? He just needs to blank her completely. That's what i would do. Sometimes there's no other way.
The problem is, it is hard to do that in the BB house, there are always times you have to interact with each other and that miserable witch knows that too and uses it every way she can.
He could have done things a bit differently but for me the end justified the means, she got a bit of what was overdue coming to her from the start of the series really.
MrWong
17-01-2014, 12:04 AM
You could be right, but the guy's shown on numerous occasions that he's not the horrible wanker that the media like to make him out to be - he gave Luisa a pep talk the night she'd argued with Dappy and Lionel; he's laughed and joked with Linda in between scrapping with her etc... he said what he said to Luisa, not Linda, and when he found out that Linda knew what he'd said, he backtracked because he didn't ever intend for her to hear it. He recognised that what he said was wrong, regardless of whether or not he and Linda hate each other, it wasn't fair and he recognised that. It's a bit cynical to think he only tried to apologise and backtracked because of what the public might think, 1) because who does that and 2) because okay he might have been cheered there but he is more than aware that the public know all about his past and consider him to be an arsehole, he was cast as the house villain and it hasn't turned out like that at all until maybe now.
He did intend for Linda to hear it as he specifically told Luisa to ask Linda about it. He said "Ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room"
He then denied saying it.
I'm not saying he doesn't have his good moments his "Enjoy your stir fry, I hope it gives you the ****s" line was funny, he should have left it at that tbh.
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
Major respect to you Chuff for that.
Lozzibear
17-01-2014, 12:09 AM
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
Why does he need to defend himself? I thought he was found guilty...
joeysteele
17-01-2014, 12:11 AM
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
I hate to disagree Chuff but I don't see it that way, it is documented as Emma said on bbbots that the person was prosecuted.
For me the low life is the one who did the stealing not who exposes it.
What it's not like he made it up! You could see he knew he put his foot in it and tried desperately to backtrack which shows humanity on his part. She played her part in needling him constantly as well.
Are you serious!!!? It showed COWARDICE.
He did intend for Linda to hear it as he specifically told Luisa to ask Linda about it. He said "Ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room"
He then denied saying it.
I'm not saying he doesn't have his good moments his "Enjoy your stir fry, I hope it gives you the ****s" line was funny, he should have left it at that tbh.
I just don't think he thought she'd do it, I think he was just being dramatic because he was pissed off and said something he shouldn't have.
Lozzibear
17-01-2014, 12:13 AM
Nah Chuff. I might agree with you if he had pulled out an unrelated issue during their first argument, but this is him trying to defend himself against a constant assault from Linda, especially as she is turning the house against him and he knows that his role in getting her hubby arrested is at the heart of her hatred towards him. If someone constantly berated me for helping bring a relative to justice, and people were being poisoned against me, I would want the facts made public whether their loved one was dead, dying or sat beside me so as to clear the air. I'm amazed he's held his tongue for so long, but I believe he was going for a live and let live approach.
Brilliantly said! :thumbs:
Yeah, because stealing money from someone's wallet is TOTALLY like being a sexual predator. :rolleyes:
I don't think anyone is trying to compare the crimes, but the fact that Jimmy Saville cannot defend himself either - in that respect, the crime is irrelevant.
Are you serious!!!? It showed COWARDICE.
So if he'd stood by his comment and didn't try to apologise for upsetting her, how would you have viewed him? He can't win with some people on here.
He said something stupid. He knew it and he regretted it. He tried to apologise. Linda rightfully was upset. He should try to apologise again tomorrow.
Jords
17-01-2014, 12:33 AM
Not gonna lie but I could barely make head or tail of it. However what I do know is when Liz brought up 'suicide' Jasmine got defensive and upset about her father and so we cant show bias with Linda becoming defensive and upset about Jim bringing up her dead husband.
Hes still my favourite HM.
Kizzy
17-01-2014, 12:45 AM
I agree. What a vicious and shocking thing to say. How low can anyone go? Would he dare say that to any man about his deceased wife? Then he lied about it and than tried to blame Louisa for telling her. He didn't even have the balls to say it to her face! I'm sickened.
100% agree ann, he's a vicious pugnacious alcoholic. What he did was shocking and he should be ashamed, has it been posted what he was referring to?
He knew it would hurt her and cause a massive reaction, so he could act calm and accuse linda of being a hysterical female.
What a disgusting 'man'.
Kizzy
17-01-2014, 12:49 AM
So if he'd stood by his comment and didn't try to apologise for upsetting her, how would you have viewed him? He can't win with some people on here.
He said something stupid. He knew it and he regretted it. He tried to apologise. Linda rightfully was upset. He should try to apologise again tomorrow.
He didn't want to apologise zee, he wanted to rub salt in. He wanted to stand there and watch her cry knowing he achieved EXACTLY what he set out to achieve, objective accomplished.
He didn't want to apologise zee, he wanted to rub salt in. He wanted to stand there and watch her cry knowing he achieved EXACTLY what he set out to achieve, objective accomplished.
I read he tried to apologise to her?
So if he'd stood by his comment and didn't try to apologise for upsetting her, how would you have viewed him? He can't win with some people on here.
He said something stupid. He knew it and he regretted it. He tried to apologise. Linda rightfully was upset. He should try to apologise again tomorrow.
Honestly? I would have had some respect for him if he had regretted what he said on the night and not showed himself to be a lying coward when Linda came into the garden to ask him about it. He outright denied it, then he bumbled about grasping at straws, then when she went indoors he tried to make himself out to be the injured party with Dappy and Lee.
He did the same thing when he said "don't you miss having a MAN". He went into the garden and lied again, telling the others a different version to gain their support, running her down to them and shouting out to her she was loony.
It was the same story with Luisa - he tells her "ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room" then when Luisa does he lies again and says he said "ask her IS IT ABOUT Frank Carson's dressing room. Does he not know it is all recorded?
To cap it all off, he then gets at Luisa for telling Linda, WTF! trying to shift the blame in his mind from it all to HER.
The man is a manipulative lying coward and in my view he can stick his too late apology up his chauvinistic ass.
100% agree ann, he's a vicious pugnacious alcoholic. What he did was shocking and he should be ashamed, has it been posted what he was referring to?
He knew it would hurt her and cause a massive reaction, so he could act calm and accuse linda of being a hysterical female.
What a disgusting 'man'.
Yep. You've nailed it. He's been like that all along. Light the fire then act the calm hard done by victim.
Kizzy
17-01-2014, 01:19 AM
I read he tried to apologise to her?
He might have, however I don't feel it was genuine at all.
He caused her all that hurt and distress he knew what he said would that's why he said it...
So what's he sorry about? he got what he wanted.
He might have, however I don't feel it was genuine at all.
He caused her all that hurt and distress he knew what he said would that's why he said it...
So what's he sorry about? he got what he wanted.
But he didn't say it to her, he said it to Luisa. If he'd intended to hurt Linda and cause her distress, he'd have said it to her face, he's shown on plenty of occasions that he has no problem with telling people what he thinks of them. I think his mask slipped and that came tumbling out in a moment of anger when he really didn't mean for Linda to hear it all and that's why he's sorry, because he knew that it had upset her.
sampvt
17-01-2014, 02:04 AM
Sorry to break up your celebration party but Jim has slipped up once and he had good reason to do what he did. He did it the wrong way but he has capped days of torment and now its out in the open, there is some clarity to why she is so bitter, but he is still the peoples champion. If you think that the GBP are going to side with that hag in this, sorry but you are mistaken. It will be news for 2 days then Lindas badgering will still be there and Jim will still be on top of the pile. Everyone hates a bitch and anyone responsible for her downfall gets gold stars.
Everyone is making this out to be about the horrible way Jim used a dead man to get his point over, he didn't, he simply brought to the open house why she was hating on him. He has never said anything bad about her hubby, she is twisting that. He simply outed her for what she is, a hag and evil person.
Kizzy
17-01-2014, 02:05 AM
But he didn't say it to her, he said it to Luisa. If he'd intended to hurt Linda and cause her distress, he'd have said it to her face, he's shown on plenty of occasions that he has no problem with telling people what he thinks of them. I think his mask slipped and that came tumbling out in a moment of anger when he really didn't mean for Linda to hear it all and that's why he's sorry, because he knew that it had upset her.
He told motormouth luisa zee... He knew full well she would ask who frank carson was or just repeat the exact phrase he asked her to, to linda.
If he'd said it himself that would have made him the antagonist, so he had luisa do it then sat in the garden to await linda who was understandably distressed.
He then lied and massaged what he'd said and done to appear innocent, he's not sorry and my guess would be he enjoyed seeing her so upset.
sampvt
17-01-2014, 02:18 AM
He told motormouth luisa zee... He knew full well she would ask who frank carson was or just repeat the exact phrase he asked her to, to linda.
If he'd said it himself that would have made him the antagonist, so he had luisa do it then sat in the garden to await linda who was understandably distressed.
He then lied and massaged what he'd said and done to appear innocent, he's not sorry and my guess would be he enjoyed seeing her so upset.
He said it was probably something to do with Frank carson, luise looked inquisitively at him and he said go on ask her about Franks dressing room. Hardly a direct attempt to blurt, more of a cajoled effort in response to **** stirrer Luisa,s constant meddling.
He said it was probably something to do with Frank carson, luise looked inquisitively at him and he said go on ask her about Franks dressing room. Hardly a direct attempt to blurt, more of a cajoled effort in response to **** stirrer Luisa,s constant meddling.
Nobody but you seen that. It didn't happen that way.
Kizzy
17-01-2014, 02:37 AM
Nope, it was a cold calculated preempted attack using a humiliating incident from the past to embarrass linda.
It was really nasty, he's a horrible vindictive creep.
Seraphim
17-01-2014, 03:19 AM
I didn't think there was anything wrong with Jim asking Luisa about her being single. What's wrong with that? He could have asked the same question of any of the other single men or women in the house. It's a good question because it's a conversational opening. The fact that Linda leapt onto it and made an enormous drama out of it is entirely about her. I cannot stand her behaviour. She has been spoiling for an argument ever since they entered the house, and Jim has been wondering why. If he feels that it's something to do with the dressing room thefts, then it's not surprising that he brought it up, given the way she had been haranguing him earlier about coming clean about his feelings. She got what she asked for. I suspect that her tears were just another form of trying to get everyone on board with her. Plus she lied when she accused Jim of saying something derogatory when he left the room at one point. She's acting like a sour, twisted old bat, in my opinion.
Macie Lightfoot
17-01-2014, 03:23 AM
I hate the way he operates. He lights the fire, blames the other person for reacting and when they do he either walks away or acts all innocent and 'amazed'.
Only with women as well!
he did say that, but he didn't mean for her to ask linda. He just got his words muddled up, just like linda did cause for about an hour I thought she was actually married to Frank Carson!!
MrWong
17-01-2014, 07:56 AM
Honestly? I would have had some respect for him if he had regretted what he said on the night and not showed himself to be a lying coward when Linda came into the garden to ask him about it. He outright denied it, then he bumbled about grasping at straws, then when she went indoors he tried to make himself out to be the injured party with Dappy and Lee.
He did the same thing when he said "don't you miss having a MAN". He went into the garden and lied again, telling the others a different version to gain their support, running her down to them and shouting out to her she was loony.
It was the same story with Luisa - he tells her "ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room" then when Luisa does he lies again and says he said "ask her IS IT ABOUT Frank Carson's dressing room. Does he not know it is all recorded?
To cap it all off, he then gets at Luisa for telling Linda, WTF! trying to shift the blame in his mind from it all to HER.
The man is a manipulative lying coward and in my view he can stick his too late apology up his chauvinistic ass.
Great post. As you say, he lied and bull****ted after dropping the bomb and then whined to the boys claiming to be the injured party.
bez87
17-01-2014, 08:31 AM
He didn't blurt out ask her, he said her anger must be something to do with Frank carson, then he said in response to a blank look, ask her about Carson dressing room. Jim knows why she hates him and he wanted it out in the open to clear the air. Its out now and the silly cow is playing the victim. I don't care whether or not its your dad, son or grandson, nobody has the right to defend a convicted theif and as for not talking ill of the dead, should we all now praise Jimmy saville or anyone bad who has passed, I think not.
Wow you must be one of the people who craze people who are scum.
Jim knew exactly what he was doing he said "ASK HER ABOUT FRANK CARSONS DRESSING ROOM" lusia even said what and he repeated he knew exactly what he was doing, it is evil and out of order to bring up the past esps when she wasn't the one who stealed and the guy is dead it happened years ago. he also lied to the lads on how he handled asking lusia about having a man in her life, he never said husband he just out right came out and said why don't you have a man in your life, yes linda jumps at him for silly things, jim didn't need to say that but they could of easily brushed it aside, but there was no reason for jim to lie outside, he is a twisted little man, who gets his kicks from telling the truth and then denying to get a raise out of someone,
just like the way he had a go at lusia and said he never said to ask her, and at that point i rewound the recording and made sure he said ask her and he even said it twice, it's an absolute joke, and a disgrace and how anyone can like that behaviour is beyond me
daniel-lewis-1985
17-01-2014, 08:53 AM
Wow you must be one of the people who craze people who are scum.
Jim knew exactly what he was doing he said "ASK HER ABOUT FRANK CARSONS DRESSING ROOM" lusia even said what and he repeated he knew exactly what he was doing, it is evil and out of order to bring up the past esps when she wasn't the one who stealed and the guy is dead it happened years ago. he also lied to the lads on how he handled asking lusia about having a man in her life, he never said husband he just out right came out and said why don't you have a man in your life, yes linda jumps at him for silly things, jim didn't need to say that but they could of easily brushed it aside, but there was no reason for jim to lie outside, he is a twisted little man, who gets his kicks from telling the truth and then denying to get a raise out of someone,
just like the way he had a go at lusia and said he never said to ask her, and at that point i rewound the recording and made sure he said ask her and he even said it twice, it's an absolute joke, and a disgrace and how anyone can like that behaviour is beyond me
I agree, I cant see why the British Public can be so naïve and fooled by him. Hes the type of person who can sit there and do nothing and still make you feel uncomfortable because you know how his mind works.
He starts fights with little comments, a housemate bites back and then he walks away telling them they are crazy or turns it around to make them look bad.
Last night he lied and backtracked, its the only argument he couldn't get out of and you could see it in his eyes that he was ****ting himself knowing what he had done was way below the belt. You don't bring up the dead, simple as that. Obviously she feels hurt its like hes made her husband look like a fool to millions of people.
That's the man she loved so she is going to be very angry and defensive.
cheeky_monkey
17-01-2014, 09:32 AM
He did intend for Linda to hear it as he specifically told Luisa to ask Linda about it. He said "Ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room"
He then denied saying it.
True.
Slevin
17-01-2014, 09:33 AM
he did say to Luisa you should ask her. ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room. like her i thought he was genuinely telling her to really ask. i thought he meant it like a question not some phrase or whatever like thats the way the cookie crumbles lol. but he backtracks and acted like he didnt say that. then Luisa tells him he did but he goes oh i said is it about Frank Carson's dressing room. knowing what the incident was about i dont think he should of went there.
Wow you must be one of the people who craze people who are scum.
Jim knew exactly what he was doing he said "ASK HER ABOUT FRANK CARSONS DRESSING ROOM" lusia even said what and he repeated he knew exactly what he was doing, it is evil and out of order to bring up the past esps when she wasn't the one who stealed and the guy is dead it happened years ago. he also lied to the lads on how he handled asking lusia about having a man in her life, he never said husband he just out right came out and said why don't you have a man in your life, yes linda jumps at him for silly things, jim didn't need to say that but they could of easily brushed it aside, but there was no reason for jim to lie outside, he is a twisted little man, who gets his kicks from telling the truth and then denying to get a raise out of someone,
just like the way he had a go at lusia and said he never said to ask her, and at that point i rewound the recording and made sure he said ask her and he even said it twice, it's an absolute joke, and a disgrace and how anyone can like that behaviour is beyond me
quick question..when linda was told that jim said "ask her about Frank Carsons dressing room" did linda say "oh that's my husband"..she did which led me to believe she was actually married to frank carson, so linda got her words a bit muddled up as did jim..jim thought he said ""it will be about frank carsons dressing room" which would tie in with the discussion at the time which was about why linda had it in for him.
sampvt
17-01-2014, 09:51 AM
Jim didn't bring up her hubby she did. He opened a wound and she bled the details so don't blame Jim. All she needed to say was, I don't know what you mean, but no, she brought her hubby into it. It was linda that opened that door, jim only put the key in it.
Niamh.
17-01-2014, 09:52 AM
he did say to Luisa you should ask her. ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room. like her i thought he was genuinely telling her to really ask. i thought he meant it like a question not some phrase or whatever like thats the way the cookie crumbles lol. but he backtracks and acted like he didnt say that. then Luisa tells him he did but he goes oh i said is it about Frank Carson's dressing room. knowing what the incident was about i dont think he should of went there.
Yeah, i noticed that aswell
flamingGalah!
17-01-2014, 12:35 PM
Linda's been picking on him since they went in, she's a pain in the arse.
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This thread should be called Luisa is **** stirring cow.
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Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
Chuff he didn't actually mention her dead husband at all! Linda did. And he WAS convicted of stealing from Frank Carson's dressing room & Jim only brought it up as he was trying to explain why he thinks Linda hates him so much, because Jim was the person who reported the theft from the police! Linda was the one who wnet totally over the top...
Kizzy
17-01-2014, 12:42 PM
he did say to Luisa you should ask her. ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room. like her i thought he was genuinely telling her to really ask. i thought he meant it like a question not some phrase or whatever like thats the way the cookie crumbles lol. but he backtracks and acted like he didnt say that. then Luisa tells him he did but he goes oh i said is it about Frank Carson's dressing room. knowing what the incident was about i dont think he should of went there.
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he did say to Luisa you should ask her. ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room. like her i thought he was genuinely telling her to really ask. i thought he meant it like a question not some phrase or whatever like thats the way the cookie crumbles lol. but he backtracks and acted like he didnt say that. then Luisa tells him he did but he goes oh i said is it about Frank Carson's dressing room. knowing what the incident was about i dont think he should of went there.
Then he walks into the bedroom and goes to Linda "Before I go in and talk to BB would you like to tell me what you are insinuating" - :shocked: when HE was the one doing the insinuating. Sick pathetic man.
chuff me dizzy
17-01-2014, 01:20 PM
100% agree ann, he's a vicious pugnacious alcoholic. What he did was shocking and he should be ashamed, has it been posted what he was referring to?
He knew it would hurt her and cause a massive reaction, so he could act calm and accuse linda of being a hysterical female.
What a disgusting 'man'.
He knew also the viewers who knew nothing of what happened would be googling it,so he thought he had the right to tell everyone something a man who has died and cannot defend himself did 20 years ago, and not even to HIM ,just to humiliate his widow on national Tv ?scum of the earth
chuff me dizzy
17-01-2014, 01:21 PM
he did say that, but he didn't mean for her to ask linda. He just got his words muddled up, just like linda did cause for about an hour I thought she was actually married to Frank Carson!!
Even if Luisa hadnt told Linda ,he still told US
Patricia4
17-01-2014, 01:28 PM
Jim didn't bring up her hubby she did. He opened a wound and she bled the details so don't blame Jim. All she needed to say was, I don't know what you mean, but no, she brought her hubby into it. It was linda that opened that door, jim only put the key in it.
Thanks for that sampvt Ive just asked somewhere about Jim talking about Linda's husband because I only heard about the dressing room.
It was Linda that set this up I knew and most people are listening to Linda and picking on Jim.
Patricia4
17-01-2014, 01:31 PM
Sams there is never a reason to justify what Jim did tonight ,Im off before I get banned ,my sister died 3 yrs ago if ever anyone said one word about her ,esp now shes not here to defend herself I would do time for it
Chuff he never mentioned anything to do with her husband it was her that fetched it up.
Kazanne
17-01-2014, 01:33 PM
Thanks for that sampvt Ive just asked somewhere about Jim talking about Linda's husband because I only heard about the dressing room.
It was Linda that set this up I knew and most people are listening to Linda and picking on Jim.
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joeysteele
17-01-2014, 01:42 PM
he is hardly a coward, he knew once it was kicking off that he maybe could have said things better.
He was happy to discuss it more with her, she didn't want to, he asked to talk to her, she refused, he asked her why did she hate him so much, she wouldn't answer.
Then today he has apologised despite her not making any moves to calm things down herself.
All that is far from the actions of a coward, a coward goes and hides away not go and seek to get answers.
Actually she is the one acting like a coward, playing a victim role while not daring to say why she is so against him personally and why she is carrying that hate on while they are housemates too.
While also making sure she has others around her try to intimidate and make him look bad
They are more like cowardly actions, big when others are there, far more silent when they are not.
flamingGalah!
17-01-2014, 01:50 PM
he is hardly a coward, he knew once it was kicking off that he maybe could have said things better.
He was happy to discuss it more with her, she didn't want to, he asked to talk to her, she refused, he asked her why did she hate him so much, she wouldn't answer.
Then today he has apologised despite her not making any moves to calm things down herself.
All that is far from the actions of a coward, a coward goes and hides away not go and seek to get answers.
Actually she is the one acting like a coward, playing a victim role while not daring to say why she is so against him personally and why she is carrying that hate on while they are housemates too.
While also making sure she has others around her try to intimidate and make him look bad
They are more like cowardly actions, big when others are there, far more silent when they are not.
Another brilliant post :worship:
I agree, I cant see why the British Public can be so naïve and fooled by him. Hes the type of person who can sit there and do nothing and still make you feel uncomfortable because you know how his mind works.
He starts fights with little comments, a housemate bites back and then he walks away telling them they are crazy or turns it around to make them look bad.
Last night he lied and backtracked, its the only argument he couldn't get out of and you could see it in his eyes that he was ****ting himself knowing what he had done was way below the belt. You don't bring up the dead, simple as that. Obviously she feels hurt its like hes made her husband look like a fool to millions of people.
That's the man she loved so she is going to be very angry and defensive.
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Jim didn't bring up her hubby she did. He opened a wound and she bled the details so don't blame Jim. All she needed to say was, I don't know what you mean, but no, she brought her hubby into it. It was linda that opened that door, jim only put the key in it.
Jim's very good at putting the key in it then using denial, lies and manipulation to try to hide the key.
Bojangles
17-01-2014, 02:41 PM
Another brilliant post :worship:
So true.
flamingGalah!
17-01-2014, 02:44 PM
Jim's very good at putting the key in it then using denial, lies and manipulation to try to hide the key.
And Linda is very clever at making Jim come out & say about the incident, with her constant goading of him, then twisting it round to make out Jim is the bad guy, when her dead husband was a tealeaf! She knew she would get loads of sympathy & it would make Jim look bad...
And Linda is very clever at making Jim come out & say about the incident, with her constant goading of him, then twisting it round to make out Jim is the bad guy, when her dead husband was a tealeaf! She knew she would get loads of sympathy & it would make Jim look bad...
Linda was in bed ..How do you come to the conclusion that she made Jim tell others to ask her what had happened in the dressing room?They had a row ..it was over .He just couldn't resist being a spiteful coward.
And Linda is very clever at making Jim come out & say about the incident, with her constant goading of him, then twisting it round to make out Jim is the bad guy, when her dead husband was a tealeaf! She knew she would get loads of sympathy & it would make Jim look bad...
I disagree. Jim makes himself look bad.
Linda was in bed ..How do you come to the conclusion that she made Jim tell others to ask her what had happened in the dressing room?They had a row ..it was over .He just couldn't resist being a spiteful coward.
Exactly. Nobody can make anyone do something they don't want to do.
arista
17-01-2014, 02:56 PM
he is hardly a coward, he knew once it was kicking off that he maybe could have said things better.
He was happy to discuss it more with her, she didn't want to, he asked to talk to her, she refused, he asked her why did she hate him so much, she wouldn't answer.
Then today he has apologised despite her not making any moves to calm things down herself.
All that is far from the actions of a coward, a coward goes and hides away not go and seek to get answers.
Actually she is the one acting like a coward, playing a victim role while not daring to say why she is so against him personally and why she is carrying that hate on while they are housemates too.
While also making sure she has others around her try to intimidate and make him look bad
They are more like cowardly actions, big when others are there, far more silent when they are not.
Yes and the Edits are splitting Men from Women
like Linda saying like all men "Lee will not tell them"
Linda is is so bitter
should she have gone in there?
Kizzy
17-01-2014, 02:56 PM
Linda was in bed ..How do you come to the conclusion that she made Jim tell others to ask her what had happened in the dressing room?They had a row ..it was over .He just couldn't resist being a spiteful coward.
Well hallelujah, sense at last! :laugh:
Well hes shown his true colours tonight, what a dirty rotten ,lowlife bastard he is, Lindas husband cannot defend himself, Im fuming ,that poor cow ,no need for that whatsoever
Sorry Sam got to disagree here, he said that to cut her to the bone ,and it worked,never hated anyone in BB so much ,linda lost her sister last year,,she didnt need that ,and there was no need to say that,. he said it to hurt her and hes done what he set out to do
..I know how much you support your favourite housemate and I'm sorry that how Jim behaved with Linda upset you...It was an extremely low blow...
chuff me dizzy
17-01-2014, 03:23 PM
he did say to Luisa you should ask her. ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room. like her i thought he was genuinely telling her to really ask. i thought he meant it like a question not some phrase or whatever like thats the way the cookie crumbles lol. but he backtracks and acted like he didnt say that. then Luisa tells him he did but he goes oh i said is it about Frank Carson's dressing room. knowing what the incident was about i dont think he should of went there.
Yes he DID tell Luisa to ask her about Franks dressing room, he showed his true colours of being a dirty bastard and a liar
flamingGalah!
17-01-2014, 03:23 PM
Linda was in bed ..How do you come to the conclusion that she made Jim tell others to ask her what had happened in the dressing room?They had a row ..it was over .He just couldn't resist being a spiteful coward.
I didn't say she made others ask Jim what happened! I said she has been goading him into an argument since day one & she knew that he would eventually snap & bring up the incident... He was asked why Linda hates him so much & he said 'ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room' as that is why he believes she has such a problem with her, as Jim called the police after her thrieving husband stole money out of Frank Carson's wallet! He didn't go into details & it was LINDA to mentioned her dead husband, all to get sympathy...
chuff me dizzy
17-01-2014, 03:26 PM
I didn't say she made others ask Jim what happened! I said she has been goading him into an argument since day one & she knew that he would eventually snap & bring up the incident... He was asked why Linda hates him so much & he said 'ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room' as that is why he believes she has such a problem with her, as Jim called the police after her thrieving husband stole money out of Frank Carson's wallet! He didn't go into details & it was LINDA to mentioned her dead husband, all to get sympathy...
She goaded him into slagging off her dead husband? I dont think so Galah
She goaded him into slagging off her dead husband? I dont think so Galah
He... mentioned Frank Carson and Linda burst into tears? He didn't even mention her husband's name, never mind slag him off!
flamingGalah!
17-01-2014, 03:29 PM
She goaded him into slagging off her dead husband? I dont think so Galah
He never mentioned her dead husband, let alone slagged him off! PMSL! :joker:
He simply mentioned an incident what he believes to be the cause for Linda's hate, that's all...
Jezzy
17-01-2014, 03:45 PM
If you were locked up in a house with someone who hates you for calling the police on her husband (which he was perfectly entitled to do) and then spends all their time needlessly goading you to try and make you look bad would you snap and bring it up?
I don't particularly like either of them, but if I were trying to keep the secret of my hatred...secret, I'd be too scared of what might come out were I constantly bear-baiting.
And hey, now people under the age of 40 have heard of Frank Carson ;)
Get that posthumous promo, Frank
Jezzy
17-01-2014, 03:50 PM
Get that posthumous promo, Frank
:laugh:
If you were locked up in a house with someone who hates you for calling the police on her husband (which he was perfectly entitled to do) and then spends all their time needlessly goading you to try and make you look bad would you snap and bring it up?
I don't particularly like either of them, but if I were trying to keep the secret of my hatred...secret, I'd be too scared of what might come out were I constantly bear-baiting.
And hey, now people under the age of 40 have heard of Frank Carson ;)
I don't think it's been said that it was him that called the police on her husband. I gather that it was a row in a bar where the theft was brought up and Linda got Jim thrown out that is a problem.
Nobody even knows for sure if that IS the problem as Linda didn't confirm this. It could be something else that she dislikes him for.
The feeling is obviously mutual but Linda is being more honest about it while Jim has been sly. One minute he's being snide to her, the next licking up to her.
I don't think it's been said that it was him that called the police on her husband. I gather that it was a row in a bar where the theft was brought up and Linda got Jim thrown out that is a problem.
Nobody even knows for sure if that IS the problem as Linda didn't confirm this. It could be something else that she dislikes him for.
The feeling is obviously mutual but Linda is being more honest about it while Jim has been sly. One minute he's being snide to her, the next licking up to her.
My take on it is that back when it happened, Jim probably got rude about it to Linda who had nothing to do with it and would have probably rather it was kept quiet to protect the couple's embarrassment over the incident, he was probably drunk and horrible so she got him thrown out. She's held a dormant grudge ever since which was reawakened when she found out she was going to be in the house with him and probably neither of them really remember exact specifics of why they hate each other so much but she hates him for embarrassing her and dobbing her husband in and he hates her because he did the morally right thing but got a heap of **** for it and can't be arsed with her holding a grudge so whatever she gives him, he'll throw right back at her. I think he's probably just sick of it and wants to put it to rest; she just wants him to go away and being around him has brought back awful memories from her past and she's surely still mourning her husband's death too.
Jezzy
17-01-2014, 03:59 PM
I don't think it's been said that it was him that called the police on her husband. I gather that it was a row in a bar where the theft was brought up and Linda got Jim thrown out that is a problem.
Nobody even knows for sure if that IS the problem as Linda didn't confirm this. It could be something else that she dislikes him for.
The feeling is obviously mutual but Linda is being more honest about it while Jim has been sly. One minute he's being snide to her, the next licking up to her.
I understand from other forum posts that it was him that called the police. I'm sure Jim has been thrown out of as many bars as he's had hot dinners, I VERY much doubt that would be the reason.
Pete.
17-01-2014, 03:59 PM
Jim is awful - Linda >
Crimson Dynamo
17-01-2014, 04:01 PM
In the garden he lied about what he said about Luisa missing having a man. He obviously knew what he said was wrong or else he would have given the true version.
Then when he said to Luisa "ask her about Frank Carson's dressing room" and she confronted him he first of all denied he said it at all!!! then when he realized that wasn't going to wash he tried to blubber his way out of it. Then he blames Luisa for telling Linda when he asked her to! He is an absolute lying coward.
I hate the way he operates. He lights the fire, blames the other person for reacting and when they do he either walks away or acts all innocent and 'amazed'.
Linda wasn't blameless, but he is a manipulative lying coward and I don't get that some people can't see that.
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I understand from other forum posts that it was him that called the police. I'm sure Jim has been thrown out of as many bars as he's had hot dinners, I VERY much doubt that would be the reason.
Oh right. I hadn't seen that. I didn't mean they disliked each other because he was thrown out of the bar :hugesmile: I meant whatever went on during that row...
chuff me dizzy
17-01-2014, 04:18 PM
He... mentioned Frank Carson and Linda burst into tears? He didn't even mention her husband's name, never mind slag him off!
He knew what he was getting at ,as did Linda
He knew what he was getting at ,as did Linda
And none of the rest of us do, so I don't see much point in trying to either make Jim out to be vindictive or make Linda out to be attention seeking for sympathy beyond commenting on whether Jim should have apologised or not (I thought he should and I'm glad he did - it's never okay to upset someone) because until we know the full story of why Linda dislikes him so much, we're just speculating and putting words into peoples' mouths that they didn't say.
smeagol
17-01-2014, 04:23 PM
jim so coward he is doing a good job at self control. and nor rising to the bait and entrapment tactics of the bitter sour faced hag that is linda
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