This isnt about Lindas hubby

[sampvt]

Everyone is dissing Jim for crimes against a dead man and a despicable act that has hurt loads of people. He didn't aim his anger at her hubby, he simply opened a door that outed Lindas hate for him and now its out, she has nothing to hold over him.

He didn't do it the right way, if there is a right way to do these things, but he had every right to open that door because it actually came out on opening night ad she denied it. Lindas ruse was to slag Jim off without actually mentioning her reason for hating him which probably made Jim think that she was pushing everyone towards his past bad acts against women.

Linda knew what she was doing and she pushed him too far. He dropped his guard and blurted out something he should have handled differently but its not always how you say something but the content of what you say is the most important. Now its out, lets see who holds the higher moral ground.

Jim has bitten his tongue for too long and we all wanted to know what she knew or had over him, now we know, some are saying he shouldn't have said it and if he had not have said it, the same people would be saying he had no right to hold these facts from us. He couldn't win this one and probably neither can I. Ok lets have it......Im primed.

[Mystic Mock]

Jim did try and make Luisa look really bad tonight knowing that she would say something to Linda about it, only in Luisa's defense she didn't know it was to do with Linda's Husband. But where I think Linda went wrong was that she was determined to make Jim look bad tonight as she was going for him over every little thing that he was saying.

[sampvt]

Luisa had he part in it and she wasn't as innocent as she pretends but Jim knew that so she was used willingly. I cant believe this is overshadowing poor Lees story, he must be livid the cameras are not following him around, lol.

[Robodog]

Everyone is dissing Jim for crimes against a dead man and a despicable act that has hurt loads of people. He didn't aim his anger at her hubby, he simply opened a door that outed Lindas hate for him and now its out, she has nothing to hold over him.

He didn't do it the right way, if there is a right way to do these things, but he had every right to open that door because it actually came out on opening night ad she denied it. Lindas ruse was to slag Jim off without actually mentioning her reason for hating him which probably made Jim think that she was pushing everyone towards his past bad acts against women.

Linda knew what she was doing and she pushed him too far. He dropped his guard and blurted out something he should have handled differently but its not always how you say something but the content of what you say is the most important. Now its out, lets see who holds the higher moral ground.

Jim has bitten his tongue for too long and we all wanted to know what she knew or had over him, now we know, some are saying he shouldn't have said it and if he had not have said it, the same people would be saying he had no right to hold these facts from us. He couldn't win this one and probably neither can I. Ok lets have it......Im primed.

True say !

From the moment she walked in, Linda has done nothing but try and start a big argument with Jim.

And Jim has done nothing but try and walk away and avoid it !

No wonder he finally cracked and said something. It's too much pressure having someone baiting you the whole time - i think we would all say something in the end, in the hope that the baiter would back off and leave you alone.

Now she has got what she has been pushing for from day one. The best thing Jim can do is carry on walking away and let her blow herself out.

[bez87]

Luisa had he part in it and she wasn't as innocent as she pretends but Jim knew that so she was used willingly. I cant believe this is overshadowing poor Lees story, he must be livid the cameras are not following him around, lol.

What are you implying tho, what exactly did Lusia do to play a part in it? :S I'm curious.

[sampvt]

What are you implying tho, what exactly did Lusia do to play a part in it? :S I'm curious.

Jim used her as a carrier pigeon and she duly obliged as he knew she would. She will do anything to stir ****. She didn't need to say anything, but she did. Evil little cow she is. Ask yourself this.....If Jim had said a similar thing to Ollie, would he have gone straight to Linda ????????????

Now you have my answer.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jim used her as a carrier pigeon and she duly obliged as he knew she would. She will do anything to stir ****. She didn't need to say anything, but she did. Evil little cow she is. Ask yourself this.....If Jim had said a similar thing to Ollie, would he have gone straight to Linda ????????????

Now you have my answer.

quite

Luisa is a divisive fish wife

[Lister of Smeg]

True say !

From the moment she walked in, Linda has done nothing but try and start a big argument with Jim.

And Jim has done nothing but try and walk away and avoid it !

No wonder he finally cracked and said something. It's too much pressure having someone baiting you the whole time - i think we would all say something in the end, in the hope that the baiter would back off and leave you alone.

Now she has got what she has been pushing for from day one. The best thing Jim can do is carry on walking away and let her blow herself out.

You can bet she will continue to use this :nono:

[Z]

I don't think we know the full story yet, I think there's more to it than what we now know.

[rusticgal]

[QUOTE=The Mockinator;6626621]Jim did try and make Luisa look really bad tonight


Luisa makes herself look bad....she doesnt need any help!!!

[Vanessa]

I despise Linda. She's so bitter and twisted. She makes even Denise look sane! :joker:

[optimisticcynic]

Everyone is dissing Jim for crimes against a dead man and a despicable act that has hurt loads of people. He didn't aim his anger at her hubby, he simply opened a door that outed Lindas hate for him and now its out, she has nothing to hold over him.

He didn't do it the right way, if there is a right way to do these things, but he had every right to open that door because it actually came out on opening night ad she denied it. Lindas ruse was to slag Jim off without actually mentioning her reason for hating him which probably made Jim think that she was pushing everyone towards his past bad acts against women.

Linda knew what she was doing and she pushed him too far. He dropped his guard and blurted out something he should have handled differently but its not always how you say something but the content of what you say is the most important. Now its out, lets see who holds the higher moral ground.

Jim has bitten his tongue for too long and we all wanted to know what she knew or had over him, now we know, some are saying he shouldn't have said it and if he had not have said it, the same people would be saying he had no right to hold these facts from us. He couldn't win this one and probably neither can I. Ok lets have it......Im primed.

Bang on!

[chuff me dizzy]

Im sure Linda will have a lot of dirt on Jim,as shes been around about as long, but shes the bigger person by not being 2 faced ,and not talking about in on national tv

[optimisticcynic]

Im sure Linda will have a lot of dirt on Jim,as shes been around about as long, but shes the bigger person by not being 2 faced ,and not talking about in on national tv

Linda constantly stating he's a chauvinist pig, she hates him due to something from the past, and her attempts to turn everyone against him on national tv, as well as mentioning him in her VT seem to disprove your fanciful post.

[Vanessa]

Linda is just like Denise. She loves to play the victim, when she hates someone. This reminds me of the Denise/Michael feud. Michael had the patience of a saint with Denise. :angel:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No matter what happens Jim will always swallow his pride and apoligise. Linda could never do that as she hates herself too much. Sad.

[Vanessa]

No matter what happens Jim will always swallow his pride and apoligise. Linda could never do that as she hates herself too much. Sad.

Yes, because he never meant to upset her. He was just wondering if she hated him because of that particular incident.

[chuff me dizzy]

Linda constantly stating he's a chauvinist pig, she hates him due to something from the past, and her attempts to turn everyone against him on national tv, as well as mentioning him in her VT seem to disprove your fanciful post.

Hes always been known for being a chauvinist, but i pushed that to the back of my mind when he went in the house, thinking ,you shouldnt judge people for what they are outside the house,but on their behavior in there,I even voted to keep him in,then he does a dirty low blow like he did last night ,and hes turned out to be lower than I expected him to be

[Vanessa]

It's Linda who has turned out to be lower than i expected her to be. She needles him constantly. Then she runs off to cry to the group. She does it all the time and i'm sick of it! :nono:

[sampvt]

if jim wasn't there linda wouldn't need to get out of bed.

[Vanessa]

if jim wasn't there linda wouldn't need to get out of bed.

She reminds me of Denise, the way she was with Michael Madsen. She hated him and tried to get him thrown out.

[Kazanne]

Frank Carson in his dressing room
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article740474.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Comedian%20Frank%20Carson%20on%20Opportunity%20Kno cks-740474:joker::joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

Linda constantly stating he's a chauvinist pig, she hates him due to something from the past, and her attempts to turn everyone against him on national tv, as well as mentioning him in her VT seem to disprove your fanciful post.

But shes not sunk to the depths he has by telling everyone why she doesnt like him

[chuff me dizzy]

Frank Carson in his dressing room
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article740474.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Comedian%20Frank%20Carson%20on%20Opportunity%20Kno cks-740474:joker::joker:

Love Frank !! It was the way he told them :joker:

[Kazanne]

Love Frank !! It was the way he told them :joker:

:joker:Good that we can laugh about it Chuff,I don't know him too well but had heard of him that pic just made me laugh

[optimisticcynic]

But shes not sunk to the depths he has by telling everyone why she doesnt like him

He has not sunk to any depth. He has put her constant targeting of him in its true context. If she wished to honour her dead husband's memory, she would have thought of the ramifications of her bitchiness and snide comments, knowing if the whole story came out she would rehash his transgressions. The dead deserve acknowledgment (not necessarily respect as only those that knew them can speak of their character, and we will all die eventually) but it is cowardly to snipe at others hiding behind the hope that they will not mention the reason/your own laundry because it involves the dead. Jim held his tongue for long enough. He even told her, likely from a perspective of personal experience, that she needed to "let go of [her] anger".
Linda cannot constantly gripe about a past incident and then when it is mentioned so she has to justify her behaviour, turn on her target for defending his position and past actions.

[Vanessa]

He has not sunk to any depth. He has put her constant targeting of him in its true context. If she wished to honour her dead husband's memory, she would have thought of the ramifications of her bitchiness and snide comments, knowing if the whole story came out she would rehash his transgressions. The dead deserve acknowledgment (not necessarily respect as only those that knew them can speak of their character, and we will all die eventually) but it is cowardly to snipe at others hiding behind the hope that they will not mention the reason/your own laundry because it involves the dead. Jim held his tongue for long enough. He even told her, likely from a perspective of personal experience, that she needed to "let go of [her] anger".
Linda cannot constantly gripe about a past incident and then when it is mentioned so she has to justify her behaviour, turn on her target for defending his position and past actions.

:worship::worship::worship:

[Z]

But shes not sunk to the depths he has by telling everyone why she doesnt like him

He hasn't told anyone why he doesn't like her and I'd hardly say skirting around the issue but bringing it up all the time makes her morally superior to him for making one out of order comment; if he's at the depths then she's floating right above him. As bad as each other.

[jet]

He has not sunk to any depth. He has put her constant targeting of him in its true context. If she wished to honour her dead husband's memory, she would have thought of the ramifications of her bitchiness and snide comments, knowing if the whole story came out she would rehash his transgressions. The dead deserve acknowledgment (not necessarily respect as only those that knew them can speak of their character, and we will all die eventually) but it is cowardly to snipe at others hiding behind the hope that they will not mention the reason/your own laundry because it involves the dead. Jim held his tongue for long enough. He even told her, likely from a perspective of personal experience, that she needed to "let go of [her] anger".
Linda cannot constantly gripe about a past incident and then when it is mentioned so she has to justify her behaviour, turn on her target for defending his position and past actions.

How do you know that the Frank Carson incident is the reason why she dislikes him? She didn't confirm that. Until she does, your reasoning is not valid.

[chuff me dizzy]

He has not sunk to any depth. He has put her constant targeting of him in its true context. If she wished to honour her dead husband's memory, she would have thought of the ramifications of her bitchiness and snide comments, knowing if the whole story came out she would rehash his transgressions. The dead deserve acknowledgment (not necessarily respect as only those that knew them can speak of their character, and we will all die eventually) but it is cowardly to snipe at others hiding behind the hope that they will not mention the reason/your own laundry because it involves the dead. Jim held his tongue for long enough. He even told her, likely from a perspective of personal experience, that she needed to "let go of [her] anger".
Linda cannot constantly gripe about a past incident and then when it is mentioned so she has to justify her behaviour, turn on her target for defending his position and past actions.

When you bring a dead person into an argument you sink to a depth no one with common decency should sink too

[chuff me dizzy]

How do you know that the Frank Carson incident is the reason why she dislikes him? She didn't confirm that. Until she does, your reasoning is not valid.

:worship:

[Vanessa]

When you bring a dead person into an argument you sink to a depth no one with common decency should sink too

he did not mention her dead husband at all. she did.

[MrWong]

He has not sunk to any depth. He has put her constant targeting of him in its true context. If she wished to honour her dead husband's memory, she would have thought of the ramifications of her bitchiness and snide comments, knowing if the whole story came out she would rehash his transgressions. The dead deserve acknowledgment (not necessarily respect as only those that knew them can speak of their character, and we will all die eventually) but it is cowardly to snipe at others hiding behind the hope that they will not mention the reason/your own laundry because it involves the dead. Jim held his tongue for long enough. He even told her, likely from a perspective of personal experience, that she needed to "let go of [her] anger".
Linda cannot constantly gripe about a past incident and then when it is mentioned so she has to justify her behaviour, turn on her target for defending his position and past actions.

I've noticed this little gem being repeated in a feeble attempt to defend Jim.
The targeting works both ways so this innocent, saintly Jim crap is bollocks.

Hm's have commented and used as nom reasons the tit for tat digs and sarcastic comments that their relationship consist of but it's only Jim that's got nasty, so enough with the re-writing of history.

[optimisticcynic]

When you bring a dead person into an argument you sink to a depth no one with common decency should sink too

Absolute tosh! Death does not make saints of sinners. Reformation/change makes saints of sinners. Our actions in life determine our legacy and memory in death. I have an opinion on past friends, relatives and enemies and I am entitled to maintain and express these opinions, even if it is unpleasant for others to hear. Jim did not speak ill of anyone, he alluded to a crime that a now-deceased person committed and admitted to. Jim did not steal that money, and history and its consequences cannot be rewritten just because the man passed away. Should we tell our children that Hitler was an estate agent and Saville invented the electric toothbrush?

You stated you have your own bereavement which you are dealing with Chuff, and I respect that, but you cannot dictate that others must ignore their own experiences of or feelings about people that you don't even know.

[Z]

I've noticed this little gem being repeated in a feeble attempt to defend Jim.
The targeting works both ways so this innocent, saintly Jim crap is bollocks.

Hm's have commented and used as nom reasons the tit for tat digs and sarcastic comments that their relationship consist of but it's only Jim that's got nasty, so enough with the re-writing of history.

You're missing the point; it's the opposite - Linda is not a saint, she's as bad as Jim. People aren't bringing up Linda's constant badgering of Jim to excuse him, they're bringing it up to point out that she's been haranguing him for exactly this situation and now she's finally got it. What have either of them achieved? They both look like idiots.

[MrWong]

Absolute tosh! Death does not make saints of sinners. Reformation/change makes saints of sinners. Our actions in life determine our legacy and memory in death. I have an opinion on past friends, relatives and enemies and I am entitled to maintain and express these opinions, even if it is unpleasant for others to hear. Jim did not speak ill of anyone, he alluded to a crime that a now-deceased person committed and admitted to. Jim did not steal that money, and history and its consequences cannot be rewritten just because the man passed away. Should we tell our children that Hitler was an estate agent and Saville invented the electric toothbrush?

You stated you have your own bereavement which you are dealing with Chuff, and I respect that, but you cannot dictate that others must ignore their own experiences of or feelings about people that you don't even know.

I think you are missing the point.

It was brought up and used in an argument.

It was a low blow.

I'm not sure anyone wants to make Linda's husband a saint/sinner or re-write history because the man's dead.

[chuff me dizzy]

I've noticed this little gem being repeated in a feeble attempt to defend Jim.
The targeting works both ways so this innocent, saintly Jim crap is bollocks.

Hm's have commented and used as nom reasons the tit for tat digs and sarcastic comments that their relationship consist of but it's only Jim that's got nasty, so enough with the re-writing of history.

EXACTLY, makes me sick people who have made an hero out of him since he made a woman sob on national Tv ,disgusting

[chuff me dizzy]

You're missing the point; it's the opposite - Linda is not a saint, she's as bad as Jim. People aren't bringing up Linda's constant badgering of Jim to excuse him, they're bringing it up to point out that she's been haranguing him for exactly this situation and now she's finally got it. What have either of them achieved? They both look like idiots.

Like Ive said Im sure Lindas got a lot on Jim,but shes been dignified and kept it to herself ,makes her the bigger person

[optimisticcynic]

EXACTLY, makes me sick people who have made an hero out of him since he made a woman sob on national Tv ,disgusting

That's ridiculous, Chuff. Who cares if it's a woman or man upset on TV? She was berating him before he even got in the house. Why is he satan for fighting his corner? Jim fired a warning shot to get her to back off. She then emptied her laundry basket on national television to garner sympathy. On another post she has told the housemates that her hubby was innocent but pleaded guilty because he wished to spare his family the negative publicity, yet it is public record that he pleaded guilty once confronted with video evidence of him taking the cash. She is deluded and probably hates Jim because he did not acquiesce to her distorted account then and will not do so now.

[MrWong]

You're missing the point; it's the opposite - Linda is not a saint, she's as bad as Jim. People aren't bringing up Linda's constant badgering of Jim to excuse him, they're bringing it up to point out that she's been haranguing him for exactly this situation and now she's finally got it. What have either of them achieved? They both look like idiots.

I've not seen anyone say that Linda's innocent. I haven't said it either so I'm not sure why you've said that in reply to my post.

I've said that it's tit for tat with those 2.

But the post I replied to spoke of the constant targeting of Jim by Linda only, of her bitchiness and sly comments as though Jim's innocent of that.

They even stated that Jim held his tongue. No he didn't. It's been tit for tat.

[optimisticcynic]

I think you are missing the point.

It was brought up and used in an argument.

It was a low blow.

I'm not sure anyone wants to make Linda's husband a saint/sinner or re-write history because the man's dead.

What was the argument about??? How can you assume it's unrelated when Jim stated it was, and all Linda does is make snide comments and cry to whomever will listen. You cannot say it was a low blow without context, and Linda has already rewritten history, telling the other housemates her hubby was innocent despite the video evidence to the contrary.

[Northern Monkey]

Who cares if it's a woman or man upset on TV? She was berating him before he even got in the house. Why is he satan for fighting his corner? Jim fired a warning shot to get her to back off. She then emptied her laundry basket on national television to garner sympathy. On another post she has told the housemates that her hubby was innocent but pleaded guilty because he wished to spare his family the negative publicity, yet it is public record that he pleaded guilty once confronted with video evidence of him taking the cash. She is deluded and probably hates Jim because he did not acquiesce to her distorted account then and will not do so now.
Very well said.Agree!

[Seraphim]

Double post - sorry

[Seraphim]

EXACTLY, makes me sick people who have made an hero out of him since he made a woman sob on national Tv ,disgusting

All that loud weeping and wailing was obviously just a ploy to gain sympathy and manipulate people into blaming Jim for upsetting her. I don't know why you can't see that.

If I'd been in Jim's position and constantly hearing people bitching about me whenever I walked into a room, I'd have spent most of my time in the bathroom weeping and trying not to let people realise I was so upset. I don't blame him for retorting to some of her comments. That's a typical way a comic would deal with things - they have to be quick with the retorts. I'm a teacher and had to develop the same ability PDQ. I've never seen his show and know nothing about him but I have quite appreciated the input he's had in the house - he's very wise and quite caring. He reminds me of my father, who is also a bit of a bigot, like Jim, but he's been a tower of strength for me throughout my life - my first port of call in trouble. I think the bigotry is a generational thing - men were pushed in this dominant role, expected to see women as the weaker sex, and required to bottle up their emotions. I'm really glad I'm a woman - we seem to get away with far more than guys these days - snideness, manipulativeness, bitchiness, spite, inappropriate sexual comments/behaviour and a lot more.