Luisa.I'm a Jim hater vid

[erinp5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuSipPJMiZI
ZuSipPJMiZI

[erinp5]

Mummy Nolan

[erinp5]

Luisa gives it but she cries when others bite back!!!.

[Lowkey]

These two are becoming a little bit obsessed now.

[Munchkins]

Oh Luisa you are such a bitch but i love it

[Sophiee]

aren't we all luisa? :love:

[Lowkey]

The more Luisa and Linda hate on Jim the more popular he will become.

[MarcusMel]

Luisa gives it but she cries when others bite back!!!.

Try analysing the time Luisa broke down. That is when Lionel and Jim basically joined forces to put Luisa down by deliberately mis-understanding her jokes to be serious comments. It would be like taking Jims 'Chalky' Jokes as serious prejudice against people strongly protected against sunlight.

I know you wont do it though because it is impossible for you to be wrong in the way you see the world.

:dance:

[Vanessa]

Louisa showing her true colours.

[Vanessa]

The more Luisa and Linda hate on Jim the more popular he will become.

:devil:

[Kizzy]

OR.... Conversely some may realise what a twonk jim is?

[Vanessa]

This just makes me want Jim to win more. I haven't voted yet, but will vote for Jim all the way.

[Kizzy]

I seriously think he's started to unravel a bit, as the house shrinks and the pressure cooker effect hits he will find it harder to cope.

[Bluerang1]

OR.... Conversely some may realise what a twonk jim is?

Nah, happens every year. Aaron, Dexter, now Jim. It's sad.

[Kizzy]

Dexter was a twonk, Aaron wasn't :joker:

[Videostar]

Try analysing the time Luisa broke down. That is when Lionel and Jim basically joined forces to put Luisa down by deliberately mis-understanding her jokes to be serious comments. It would be like taking Jims 'Chalky' Jokes as serious prejudice against people strongly protected against sunlight.

I know you wont do it though because it is impossible for you to be wrong in the way you see the world.

:dance:

Then theres a lot of people who are "wrong about the world" as Jim is very popular on all the BB sites, forums, fan poles, even BBBOTS likes him.

Most people can see that Linda's been goading him from the first few days into the show and Luisa has been foul, to mainly the older HM's in that house, she's been ageist and rude (oh sorry, "honest" ).

[Videostar]

aren't we all luisa? :love:

Nope, those of you who dislike Jim are heavily in the minority. :xyxwave:

[Vanessa]

Nope, those of you who dislike Jim are heavily in the minority. :xyxwave:

Louisa calling Jim rude is pot , kettle, back ! :joker:

[Vanessa]

These two are becoming a little bit obsessed now.

This!

[Videostar]

Louisa calling Jim rude is pot , kettle, back ! :joker:

Yes, but Luisa is the only one allowed to be rude, haven't you heard? :shocked:

[Vanessa]

Yes, but Luisa is the only one allowed to be rude, haven't you heard? :shocked:

She's the rudest person in there. :laugh2:

[sampvt]

She is only in there because she is entertaining. The public love bitchfests but when it comes to picking a winner, the boring always seem to get the crown. I want Jim to win as he is the series this year but alas I fear that Sam has been edited the right way and BB see her as spin off material. The only chance Jim has to win this is if BB keep their nose out and let the series progress naturally. Last nights live feed showed Sam and Ollie quite active and opinionated but we never see that in the edits. Its all wrong really but with the likes od Dowling and Rylan willing to appear on numerous after show things, they are only protecting their investment. Jim wouldn't help their cause any but Sam would, plus she is a reality show junkie so she knows the rules very well.

[Cherie]

Crazy, we have never seen Sam in the DR not to mind anything else and she is top 2, shame really.

[Northern Monkey]

I actually don't mind Luisa sometimes,Think she is very misguided though.She is the main one that dishes it out but cries when she gets it back.She acts all "I'm a strong woman" when she wants to try and hurt someone but then plays on her femeninity and cries when she can't take it.That's how she works.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Nah, happens every year. Aaron, Dexter, now Jim. It's sad.

Add Speidi to that list :rolleyes:

[joeysteele]

Luisa claims to be intelligent but she cannot work out that Jim clearly is popular with the viewers after all this time in the house.

As Vanessa says, the more that she and Linda get at Jim the more the viewers who vote get behind him.
Now I can fully get how Linda cannot work that out because she is just a nasty,bitter and twisted person with an inability to think and work that out.
However Luisa,if she really is as clever as she says she is will only keep pushing the self destruct button if she doesn't hold back a bit at least.

Luisa doesn't have to like Jim but she also doesn't have to go on and on about him like Linda does,I also do think she has a problem with older men too in an ageist sense.

[MarcusMel]

Luisa claims to be intelligent but she cannot work out that Jim clearly is popular with the viewers after all this time in the house.

As Vanessa says, the more that she and Linda get at Jim the more the viewers who vote get behind him.
Now I can fully get how Linda cannot work that out because she is just a nasty,bitter and twisted person with an inability to think and work that out.
However Luisa,if she really is as clever as she says she is will only keep pushing the self destruct button if she doesn't hold back a bit at least.

Luisa doesn't have to like Jim but she also doesn't have to go on and on about him like Linda does,I also do think she has a problem with older men too in an ageist sense.

Your assumption is that she cares about winning and would therefore behave think about what she is saying to win.

Luisa is just being herself. What you don't understand is how Jim’s attitudes, which he can't help, irritate the women around him. Jim has said this himself. So with little possibility of escape you get to hate the person is belittles you, dismisses your opinion, and generally ignores you as a person.

[GiRTh]

I actually don't mind Luisa sometimes,Think she is very misguided though.She is the main one that dishes it out but cries when she gets it back.She acts all "I'm a strong woman" when she wants to try and hurt someone but then plays on her femeninity and cries when she can't take it.That's how she works.This

[Sophiee]

Nope, those of you who dislike Jim are heavily in the minority. :xyxwave:
we're really not. and if it were vote to evict he'd probably have been gone by now :laugh:. he's almost hated as much as loved I think, it happens with all the big characters.

[Sophiee]

Luisa claims to be intelligent but she cannot work out that Jim clearly is popular with the viewers after all this time in the house.

As Vanessa says, the more that she and Linda get at Jim the more the viewers who vote get behind him.
Now I can fully get how Linda cannot work that out because she is just a nasty,bitter and twisted person with an inability to think and work that out.
However Luisa,if she really is as clever as she says she is will only keep pushing the self destruct button if she doesn't hold back a bit at least.

Luisa doesn't have to like Jim but she also doesn't have to go on and on about him like Linda does,I also do think she has a problem with older men too in an ageist sense.
:conf: luisa is aware that jim is popular. when has she ever said differently? she was sure he was going to top the votes when she was up alongside him, liz and jasmine. just because she doesn't suck up to him doesn't mean she doesn't know he's popular, she's very aware and it makes her real and genuine not to try and befriend him. her views have stayed the same despite his popularity and that's admirable.

[arista]

She can not Take It

[MarcusMel]

Then theres a lot of people who are "wrong about the world" as Jim is very popular on all the BB sites, forums, fan poles, even BBBOTS likes him.

Most people can see that Linda's been goading him from the first few days into the show and Luisa has been foul, to mainly the older HM's in that house, she's been ageist and rude (oh sorry, "honest" ).

Dale Carnegie in his book how to win friends and influence people starts off with an example of how a 'gangster' who shot and killed a lot of people thought he was a good man and was just defending himself.

Ask yourself how you would feel living in close proximity to someone who ignores you, belittles everything you say? This is how the women see Jim.
Even Jim admits that this is how women see him. It is simply what he learned from his father and friends and is deeply part of who he is.

[GiRTh]

Two bitter old harpies.

[Livia]

Your assumption is that she cares about winning and would therefore behave think about what she is saying to win.

Luisa is just being herself. What you don't understand is how Jim’s attitudes, which he can't help, irritate the women around him. Jim has said this himself. So with little possibility of escape you get to hate the person is belittles you, dismisses your opinion, and generally ignores you as a person.

Wow... as one of our most intelligent posters, I'd be shocked if there was something going in the house that joey doesn't understand.

Of course Luisa wants to win. Her main problem is that she fervently believes in free speech and in speaking her mind. Sadly, she doesn't uphold that right for Jim or for anyone else.

[Z]

She's right about him being insecure but she definitely can't take it when others give out to her, as has been evident by the number of times she's burst into tears as a response in an argument :rolleyes:

[MarcusMel]

She's right about him being insecure but she definitely can't take it when others give out to her, as has been evident by the number of times she's burst into tears as a response in an argument :rolleyes:

I can only remember the one time she sort comfort by resorting to tears, and that was when Lionel and Jim joined forces by saying they took her jokes seriously.

I have experienced similar situation so believe I understand it.

[Brother Leon]

The irony of her saying he can dish it, but can't take it. Says the woman that was in tears wanting to leave whenever someone bites back at her :joker:

[Z]

I can only remember the one time she sort comfort by resorting to tears, and that was when Lionel and Jim joined forces by saying they took her jokes seriously.

I have experienced similar situation so believe I understand it.

Her argument with Dappy earlier on in the same day... Don't get me wrong, I completely understand why she was crying, but it's the way she claims she's this hard ass who says it how it is and can take what she gives out when she absolutely can't. She tells it how it is but she cannot bear it when other people point out her flaws and tell her how it is.

[MarcusMel]

Her argument with Dappy earlier on in the same day... Don't get me wrong, I completely understand why she was crying, but it's the way she claims she's this hard ass who says it how it is and can take what she gives out when she absolutely can't. She tells it how it is but she cannot bear it when other people point out her flaws and tell her how it is.

Ah! You mean when Dappy kept chasing Luisa around the house, spying on her in the diary room, and bringing in indefensible emotional worries that a mother might have for their children. Difficult to know which of them brought in the extra emotive pain to the discussion of how men and women should behave.

Such behaviour is not something people meet outside of school years. I think people are using those time times she has cried to justify their belief she cant take it, because it satisfies what they want to believe rather than see those events as exceptional circumstance.

[MrWong]

Her argument with Dappy earlier on in the same day... Don't get me wrong, I completely understand why she was crying, but it's the way she claims she's this hard ass who says it how it is and can take what she gives out when she absolutely can't. She tells it how it is but she cannot bear it when other people point out her flaws and tell her how it is.

I think they were tears of frustration because it was like arguing with a lobotomised ape.

They made up pretty quick and she didn't nom him so she sorta can take it.

[Z]

Ah! You mean when Dappy kept chasing Luisa around the house, spying on her in the diary room, and bringing in indefensible emotional worries that a mother might have for their children. Difficult to know which of them brought in the extra emotive pain to the discussion of how men and women should behave.

Such behaviour is not something people meet outside of school years. I think people are using those time times she has cried to justify their belief she cant take it, because it satisfies what they want to believe rather than see those events as exceptional circumstance.

I think they were tears of frustration because it was like arguing with a lobotomised ape.

They made up pretty quick and she didn't nom him so she sorta can take it.

I'm not disagreeing with either of you, I just think she's full of **** when she says she can take what she gives out when she's been mouthy, bitchy and stirring the pot throughout her time in the house yet her first response to any kind of criticism is to burst into tears - i.e. she can't take the slightest bit of criticism. With the Dappy situation she could have easily defused it at any time but she escalated it by throwing insults at him which of course gave him more ammunition and made him follow her round the house. With Lionel and Jim she burst into tears and gave a non-apology apology to Lionel. I appreciate what she brings to the house and I think she's entertaining but she's definitely not the hard ass she makes herself out to be.

[MarcusMel]

Wow... as one of our most intelligent posters, I'd be shocked if there was something going in the house that joey doesn't understand.

Of course Luisa wants to win. Her main problem is that she fervently believes in free speech and in speaking her mind. Sadly, she doesn't uphold that right for Jim or for anyone else.

There is a difference between wanting, trying, and caring.

We use words like 'must', 'should', 'have' to indicate how important a goal is. The word 'like' is about the lowest level of emotional desire for wanting something. What I am saying is that the reasoning in Joey’s post is based on a level of emotional desire to win BB that Luisa is not displaying. The evidence is clear from the way in which she handles emotionally the eviction crowd noise.

[MrWong]

I'm not disagreeing with either of you, I just think she's full of **** when she says she can take what she gives out when she's been mouthy, bitchy and stirring the pot throughout her time in the house yet her first response to any kind of criticism is to burst into tears - i.e. she can't take the slightest bit of criticism. With the Dappy situation she could have easily defused it at any time but she escalated it by throwing insults at him which of course gave him more ammunition and made him follow her round the house. With Lionel and Jim she burst into tears and gave a non-apology apology to Lionel. I appreciate what she brings to the house and I think she's entertaining but she's definitely not the hard ass she makes herself out to be.

I still maintain that they were tears of frustration. If they were more than that she would have held a grudge and nominated him, like he did her.

[MarcusMel]

I'm not disagreeing with either of you, I just think she's full of **** when she says she can take what she gives out when she's been mouthy, bitchy and stirring the pot throughout her time in the house yet her first response to any kind of criticism is to burst into tears
...snip....
but she's definitely not the hard ass she makes herself out to be.

BIB or is it an insatiable curiosity to find out, as best she can, the truth?

The hardest thing for anybody to do is question their own attitude and understand where they got it from and why it is justified to have it in the situation they find themselves in.

[duclos]

I hate Jim and do not understand why people like him so much. He's a narcissistic misognistic male chauvinist. He's horrible.

[the truth]

I hate Jim and do not understand why people like him so much. He's a narcissistic misognistic male chauvinist. He's horrible.

no hes not. just because the man haters keep spouting that drivel doesnt mean its true....how has he discriminated against women in the house? utter nonsense. hes a fantastically talented comedian , a talent that many of the other housemates are jealous and afriad of

and he hasnt been any of these things in the house. the only sxual discrimination in that house has been against him and also by lionel against asmine

[the truth]

Your assumption is that she cares about winning and would therefore behave think about what she is saying to win.

Luisa is just being herself. What you don't understand is how Jim’s attitudes, which he can't help, irritate the women around him. Jim has said this himself. So with little possibility of escape you get to hate the person is belittles you, dismisses your opinion, and generally ignores you as a person.

they hate him because they cant control him , simple and theyre jealous of his talent and fame

[anne666]

Your assumption is that she cares about winning and would therefore behave think about what she is saying to win.

Luisa is just being herself. What you don't understand is how Jim’s attitudes, which he can't help, irritate the women around him. Jim has said this himself. So with little possibility of escape you get to hate the person is belittles you, dismisses your opinion, and generally ignores you as a person.

This. Jim's a coward, can't confront anyone in an adult manner and a control freak. He's either victim or aggressor. Passive aggressive. If he has time left in his life to grow up, he may find himself somewhere in the healthy middle. He's chauvinistic and sexist, women are his preferred target. He's not brave enough to do the same to men.
At least ,for the only time I've seen, he apologised to Linda Nolan and accepted responsibilty for actions. Although his motivation may have been more about survival.

[joeysteele]

Your assumption is that she cares about winning and would therefore behave think about what she is saying to win.

Luisa is just being herself. What you don't understand is how Jim’s attitudes, which he can't help, irritate the women around him. Jim has said this himself. So with little possibility of escape you get to hate the person is belittles you, dismisses your opinion, and generally ignores you as a person.

I think you have missed the whole point,(with full respect), that I was getting at.

First off, she claims to be intelligent, then working out the best strategy to use in a situation you find yourself in would demonstrate that.
I never said she had to or should like Jim, however to go on about him,even when there is no connection as to interaction or conversation between the 2 of them shows a rather strange obsessions of sorts and indeed lack of strategy.

All she has to do is pull back, have as little to do with him as she needs to and both get on with enjoying the BB experience.
My point is that Jim is clearly popular with the viewers who vote,therefore to keep getting at him, she is going to likely continue to pull her own standing with the viewers down further.

That seems a daft thing to do,in my opinion, for whether she wants to win BB or even for to have an easier and less stressful time in the house she is going the wrong way about it,in my view.
I don't believe a single housemate in there didn't want to try to win it,I don't go for that at all.
Also in Luisa's case, she is a fiercely competitive woman,that she showed heavily on the Apprentice, and after losing out in the Apprentice,I doubt in reality that she would not want to win this series if she could.

When other than at mealtimes and the tasks, is there any reason for her to really interact with Jim, just pull back.
Everytime she gets at him or puts him down to and with others, she gives him airtime and draws attention to him,the end result of which is she has a lower standing with the viewers who vote and he has a much higher one.

I don't believe for one second she would like to see Jim win, however she is doing a really good job, in all truth, of likely doing a great deal as to helping him achieve that.
If as you say, she doesn't want to win or is not bothered about winning, are you also saying she wouldn't care if Jim were to win.
I myself, from my perspective of watching her, believe she would hate that result and my point was that despite being so intelligent she fails to see that is exactly what her actions towards him could well help bring about.

I am not bothered as to the boos to her from the crowd, they mean little, they cheered Lionel on friday and he went out in last place.
She will I am sure as I can be,(as Jim has), worked out the crowd are not representative of a lot of the standings as to BB housemates.
The one thing staring her in the face however, is the fact that she is regularly a housemate always in danger of going as to evictions and Jim is a certain one to well saved,more than likely the current top of the voting too.

Are you actually saying you believe she wants that scenario,really.
I myself would doubt she does want that scenario and I also believe she would love to win it.
I'd go further and say I believe she could even think she should win it.

She is a very ambitious lady,nothing wrong in that,however her judgement in the house, (as was on the Apprentice too), seems to leave a fair bit to be desired,again all just my opinion.

[the truth]

I think you have missed the whole point,(with full respect), that I was getting at.

First off, she claims to be intelligent, then working out the best strategy to use in a situation you find yourself in would demonstrate that.
I never said she had to or should like Jim, however to go on about him,even when there is no connection as to interaction or conversation between the 2 of them shows a rather strange obsessions of sorts and indeed lack of strategy.

All she has to do is pull back, have as little to do with him as she needs to and both get on with enjoying the BB experience.
My point is that Jim is clearly popular with the viewers who vote,therefore to keep getting at him, she is going to likely continue to pull her own standing with the viewers down further.

That seems a daft thing to do,in my opinion, for whether she wants to win BB or even for to have an easier and less stressful time in the house she is going the wrong way about it,in my view.
I don't believe a single housemate in there didn't want to try to win it,I don't go for that at all.
Also in Luisa's case, she is a fiercely competitive woman,that she showed heavily on the Apprentice, and after losing out in the Apprentice,I doubt in reality that she would not want to win this series if she could.

When other than at mealtimes and the tasks, is there any reason for her to really interact with Jim, just pull back.
Everytime she gets at him or puts him down to and with others, she gives him airtime and draws attention to him,the end result of which is she has a lower standing with the viewers who vote and he has a much higher one.

I don't believe for one second she would like to see Jim win, however she is doing a really good job, in all truth, of likely doing a great deal as to helping him achieve that.
If as you say, she doesn't want to win or is not bothered about winning, are you also saying she wouldn't care if Jim were to win.
I myself, from my perspective of watching her, believe she would hate that result and my point was that despite being so intelligent she fails to see that is exactly what her actions towards him could well help bring about.

I am not bothered as to the boos to her from the crowd, they mean little, they cheered Lionel on friday and he went out in last place.
She will I am sure as I can be,(as Jim has), worked out the crowd are not representative of a lot of the standings as to BB housemates.
The one thing staring her in the face however, is the fact that she is regularly a housemate always in danger of going as to evictions and Jim is a certain one to well saved,more than likely the current top of the voting too.

Are you actually saying you believe she wants that scenario,really.
I myself would doubt she does want that scenario and I also believe she would love to win it.
I'd go further and say I believe she could even think she should win it.

She is a very ambitious lady,nothing wrong in that,however her judgement in the house, (as was on the Apprentice too), seems to leave a fair bit to be desired,again all just my opinion.

In short she is a horror of a human being. you just cant get away from that.

[arista]

I hate Jim and do not understand why people like him so much. He's a narcissistic misognistic male chauvinist. He's horrible.



Because it Makes a Change



So nice to have a Non False person

[the truth]

Because it Makes a Change



So nice to a a Non False person

thats true. hes certainly not false. he rightly calls out the utter lies of political correctness that have enslaved this nation. the only sexism in that house is against jim , though lionel did display absurd double standards as did dappy too

[joeysteele]

In short she is a horror of a human being. you just cant get away from that.

Hi the truth, where have you been lately, good to have you back and I mean that.

:hugesmile: I may step back from describing her a horror, my point really is that for being highly competitive and intelliegent,she hasn't demonstrated much of either in a positive way in the house so far.

[MrWong]

Because it Makes a Change



So nice to have a Non False person

He's already admitted he's not being himself.

Sounds kinda false to me.

[Z]

Because it Makes a Change



So nice to have a Non False person

I agree with this.

[MrWong]

thats true. hes certainly not false. he rightly calls out the utter lies of political correctness that have enslaved this nation. the only sexism in that house is against jim , though lionel did display absurd double standards as did dappy too

He certainly is. He's admitted as much himself.

How come Ollie, Lee, Dappy, Evander never mentioned the rampant sexism from the girls?

[the truth]

He's already admitted he's not being himself.

Sounds kinda false to me.

thats nonsense thats been brainwashed into the masses by dumbed down tv

anyone who is exactly the same all the time is being false.

[the truth]

He certainly is. He's admitted as much himself.

How come Ollie, Lee, Dappy, Evander never mentioned the rampant sexism from the girls?

because men arent taught nor are they allowed to complain

[MrWong]

thats nonsense thats been brainwashed into the masses by dumbed down tv

anyone who is exactly the same all the time is being false.

What does this post even mean and how is it a reply to what I posted?

[MrWong]

because men arent taught nor are they allowed to complain

That can't be true. Jim's been complaining since he entered the house.

You constantly complain every series about the female housemates.

[the truth]

That can't be true. Jim's been complaining since he entered the house.

You complain every series about the female housemates constantly.

because the men dont complain enough , in particular to big brother. they need to step it up and really expose these men haters for what they are

[MrWong]

because the men dont complain enough , in particular to big brother. they need to step it up and really expose these men haters for what they are

Complain about what? That's not sexism directed at Jim, it's good old fashioned dislike. He dislikes a few them too.

The women aren't being sexist with the other men in the house.

[anne666]

He certainly is. He's admitted as much himself.

How come Ollie, Lee, Dappy, Evander never mentioned the rampant sexism from the girls?

:hugesmile:

[the truth]

Complain about what? That's not sexism directed at Jim, it's good old fashioned dislike. He dislikes a few them too.

The women aren't being sexist with the other men in the house.

it is sexism and you cant see it, I wonder why? funny how you nealry always seem to side against the men...hmmmmmm a pattern developing

[MarcusMel]

I think you have missed the whole point,(with full respect), that I was getting at.

...snip (see full quote above) ....

all just my opinion.

Here are my thoughts with respect to your way of seeing the world.
Out of curiosity do you think like this in your workplace? I am not capable of seeing things as a game to play with other people. No need to answer this question it sort of frightens me if people do.

1) Claims of intelligence. My question, what is real intelligence? The concept is ill defined in the first place and has evolved into social, spatial, emotional, mathematical, logical, factual areas to try and pin the concept down. Generally it tends to mean 'my imagination with reasoning shows me how to cope with this'.

2) The strategy you suggest if not natural to a person in 24/7 less sleep time would be difficult to implement and BB can show any accidents that oppose such a strategy

3) If you do start doing things that are not natural to your personality then the shouts of fake, and game player are always watched for and seem to be automatically assumed by many forum posters even when people with empathetic understanding demonstrate the opposite. So being yourself or playing a social strategy is going to be a no-win on either route.

4) Winning the series how? From 3 either tactic is not going to work in your favour. Generally the 'nice' people mostly males win. Emotional projection to others also tends to win.

5) She has no control of the scenarios that may occur inside or outside of the house. BB are in control, not the public. Though this seems to be the first time they are being fair to public in presentation. Twitter is still doing its 'We are funny by writing condescendingly'

Which leaves Luisa with the only attitude available 'to be myself and do the best I can with the situation created' which could mean doing the occasional emotional dump to an ear that listens.

[MrWong]

it is sexism and you cant see it, I wonder why? funny how you nealry always seem to side against the men...hmmmmmm a pattern developing

Some examples then please.

[Macie Lightfoot]

thats true. hes certainly not false. he rightly calls out the utter lies of political correctness that have enslaved this nation. the only sexism in that house is against jim , though lionel did display absurd double standards as did dappy too

Actually Ollie is the only man who isn't sexist in there so no. Even so, reverse sexism isn't a thing.

[joeysteele]

Here are my thoughts with respect to your way of seeing the world.
Out of curiosity do you think like this in your workplace? I am not capable of seeing things as a game to play with other people. No need to answer this question it sort of frightens me if people do.

1) Claims of intelligence. My question, what is real intelligence? The concept is ill defined in the first place and has evolved into social, spatial, emotional, mathematical, logical, factual areas to try and pin the concept down. Generally it tends to mean 'my imagination with reasoning shows me how to cope with this'.

2) The strategy you suggest if not natural to a person in 24/7 less sleep time would be difficult to implement and BB can show any accidents that oppose such a strategy

3) If you do start doing things that are not natural to your personality then the shouts of fake, and game player are always watched for and seem to be automatically assumed by many forum posters even when people with empathetic understanding demonstrate the opposite. So being yourself or playing a social strategy is going to be a no-win on either route.

4) Winning the series how? From 3 either tactic is not going to work in your favour. Generally the 'nice' people mostly males win. Emotional projection to others also tends to win.

5) She has no control of the scenarios that may occur inside or outside of the house. BB are in control, not the public. Though this seems to be the first time they are being fair to public in presentation. Twitter is still doing its 'We are funny by writing condescendingly'

Which leaves Luisa with the only attitude available 'to be myself and do the best I can with the situation created' which could mean doing the occasional emotional dump to an ear that listens.

All of that makes sense to me and I have always said the house is a very different place.

You didn't however answer me as to do you really think Luisa doesn't want to win this and also do you think she would want Jim to win it.

We look at her from differing perspectives, I don't believe she wouldn't want to win it and also don't believe she would like Jim to win.
So to avoid that she needs to follow a strategy and the way I see it as to her, she would be better pulling back from getting at Jim for both of those scenarios,for her to have any chance to win or to stop Jim winning

Your post above is equally valid in a different way.
However look, she claims she is intelligent,not my words, she had to adopt strategic skills to get as far as she did in the Apprentice but then fell at the last hurdle in that.
All I am saying is she must be able to see how her getting at Jim, is in fact only strengthening his position and weakening hers.
From her time on the Apprentice,I am amazed she seems so far away from realising that.

She can counteract just about all thrown at her in the house by any housemate, that is down to her skills,whether negative or positive ones as to the execution of those skills.
With Jim she has dropped her guard and is failing to make any impression,on him and the viewers who vote.

I see completely where you have arrived at your perpective above, it would seem to me however you in part base that on a view that she doesn't want to win CBB.
My perspective comes from believing she does want to win it,or more to the point if she doesn't want Jim to.
Then whichever may be right she is going the whole wrong way around things,in my opinion and that's all I can express.

[Vanessa]

Just when i was warming to Louisa she's letting Linda influence her. :umm2:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Luisa has always been a woman-first girl, Linda's presence doesn't change anything.

[MarcusMel]

All of that makes sense to me and I have always said the house is a very different place.

You didn't however answer me as to do you really think Luisa doesn't want to win this and also do you think she would want Jim to win it.

...snip....
,in my opinion and that's all I can express.

Yes, they all want to win, but is it a realistic prospect? She is not the type of person, I believe to compromise who she is, just to win the public or create a drama to reveal the possible cracks in someone’s personality. BB for the contestant(HM) is a game show in terms of the tasks they give the HM's BB's aim with the secret missions and tasks is to create rivals so they can have the drama (shouting, plotting, and romance) that BB believe the public wants to see.

Luisa would seem to understand that to win BB is improbable as it is up to public vote and understands how the public already see her. Therefore the only area she can be competitive in is doing the tasks and understanding the people she is living with.

So while your reasoning behind how Luisa could behave to alter the situation maybe correct, she is unlikely going to do so if it compromises who she is. I think the win for Luisa has already happened in that she has survived the first three evictions. From what we have been shown of her behaviour it would look like she is just sees it and a very long party and looks forward to getting back to work on developing her business'

So really I think she is just being realistic in that winning BB is not possible for her, but what a wonderful boost to know you were liked enough to survive evictions.

[Sophiee]

Just when i was warming to Louisa she's letting Linda influence her. :umm2:
hardly :joker: she's had as many arguments with jim in there as linda has and he's probably been nastier towards her. she has every reason to hate him, just because linda does doesn't equal her being influenced. she's more than capable of forming her own opinions evidently.

[joeysteele]

Yes, they all want to win, but is it a realistic prospect? She is not the type of person, I believe to compromise who she is, just to win the public or create a drama to reveal the possible cracks in someone’s personality. BB for the contestant(HM) is a game show in terms of the tasks they give the HM's BB's aim with the secret missions and tasks is to create rivals so they can have the drama (shouting, plotting, and romance) that BB believe the public wants to see.

Luisa would seem to understand that to win BB is improbable as it is up to public vote and understands how the public already see her. Therefore the only area she can be competitive in is doing the tasks and understanding the people she is living with.

So while your reasoning behind how Luisa could behave to alter the situation maybe correct, she is unlikely going to do so if it compromises who she is. I think the win for Luisa has already happened in that she has survived the first three evictions. From what we have been shown of her behaviour it would look like she is just sees it and a very long party and looks forward to getting back to work on developing her business'

So really I think she is just being realistic in that winning BB is not possible for her, but what a wonderful boost to know you were liked enough to survive evictions.

I still personally doubt she will want to lose badly here.
However, she has survived 3 evictions as you point out.

We are never going to agree from our perspectives of her beahviour in the house but at least we have reached a small bit of respect for each others views on her time in the house.

I do agree though too that she does likely see it too as a long party now.