Russia: Gay People at Winter Olympics must 'leave children alone'

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2014/1/17/1389964927346/Vladimir-Putin-poses-with-009.jpg

Leader Putin warns All Gays




http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/17/vladimir-putin-gay-winter-olympics-children

Russian president vows no discrimination
but says gay people must
observe law banning 'homosexual propaganda'

[Vladimir Putin has said that gay people
will be not be subjected to harassment
at the Winter Olympics in Sochi,
as long as they stay away from children.
Putin is currently in Sochi reviewing
preparations for the Games, which begin
in three weeks. During a meeting with
some of the thousands of volunteers
who will work during the Olympics,
he was asked why their uniform
were rainbow coloured, given the recent
Kremlin anti-gay initiatives.
"We do not have a ban on non-traditional
sexual relationships," said Putin in comments
reported by Russian agencies.
"We have a ban on the propaganda
of homosexuality and paedophilia.
I want to underline this.
Propaganda among children.
These are absolutely different
things – a ban on something
or a ban on the propaganda of that thing."
Putin also added that Russia
was more liberal than some
other countries, claiming that
in certain US states homosexuality
was still punishable by law.]



if you are Gay in Russia - hide

[Munchkins]

What the actual **** is all i can say

[arista]

What the actual **** is all i can say


Russia hates all gays

They are into children - Putin claims

[Livia]

I can't understand how the Winter Olympics hasn't been withdrawn from Russia. Once again they show themselves as an uneducated backwater. How embarrassing for them.

[MTVN]

"Putin also added that Russia was more liberal than some other countries, claiming that in certain US states homosexuality was still punishable by law"

Which ones :suspect:

[arista]

"Putin also added that Russia was more liberal than some other countries, claiming that in certain US states homosexuality was still punishable by law"

Which ones :suspect:


yes a few South States in America
are like Putin over gays

[Tom4784]

Putin is a ****ing moron and any international event that takes place in Russia should be widely boycotted.

Putin doesn't know his elbow from his arse, homosexuality isn't banned in ANY American state and the thing about European countries considering making Paedophilia legal is so stupid that I can't actually believe he has the gall to say it. It makes me wonder how such a moron could actually worm his way into power.

[Livia]

yes a few South States in America
are like Putin over gays

Not since 2003. Which is actually shockingly recent.

[Munchkins]

And to think there were members on here praising Putin as some legend, even if it was a joke -.-

[Z]

The thing is, he's not a stupid man. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's uniting his people by encouraging them to hate something in common. Nothing unites people more than hating something in common; homosexuality is being portrayed as a hedonistic Western concept and any Russian discovered to be homosexual is therefore a traitor to religious and social values in Russia... he's a very smart man, Putin, which is much scarier than him just being stupid and uneducated. It's the opposite.

[MTVN]

The thing is, he's not a stupid man. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's uniting his people by encouraging them to hate something in common. Nothing unites people more than hating something in common; homosexuality is being portrayed as a hedonistic Western concept and any Russian discovered to be homosexual is therefore a traitor to religious and social values in Russia... he's a very smart man, Putin, which is much scarier than him just being stupid and uneducated. It's the opposite.

That's true, it kind of fits into a long history of countries opposed to the west portraying homosexuality in that way

[arista]

The thing is, he's not a stupid man. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's uniting his people by encouraging them to hate something in common. Nothing unites people more than hating something in common; homosexuality is being portrayed as a hedonistic Western concept and any Russian discovered to be homosexual is therefore a traitor to religious and social values in Russia... he's a very smart man, Putin, which is much scarier than him just being stupid and uneducated. It's the opposite.


yes Novo
Loves him

[MeMyselfAndI]

And to think there were members on here praising Putin as some legend, even if it was a joke -.-

Name & shame them

[Z]

That's true, it kind of fits into a long history of countries opposed to the west portraying homosexuality in that way

Russia tried to integrate itself into the West and got knocked back; and then institutions like NATO, the EU etc started to encroach upon former Soviet territory... installing defense systems in Romania, EU accessions etc... the recent troubles in the Ukraine were a turning point for Russia. The Ukraine was about to commit to EU partnership and then Russia put all its political pressure on the Ukraine through oil and gas to keep it in Russia's sphere of influence; the West has never really tried to put an end to the tensions created by the Cold War and now it just sort of exists as an energy war instead; all these proxy problems in other countries are based solely on oil and gas and I think Putin's trying to promote Russian values everywhere and hating on the gays is just a small part of that.

[Shaun]

that's a pretty rainbow-coloured looking olympic kit to me, Putin, what kind of propaganda is this :idc:

[Z]

I was about to suggest maybe he's secretly gay so I went and looked at his Wikipedia entry because I'd never heard any mention of him having a wife or family but then discovered he is married (though due to divorce his wife) and he has two daughters but no pictures of them have ever been published in Russian media. He doesn't seem to be a family man.

[arista]

I was about to suggest maybe he's secretly gay so I went and looked at his Wikipedia entry because I'd never heard any mention of him having a wife or family but then discovered he is married (though due to divorce his wife) and he has two daughters but no pictures of them have ever been published in Russian media. He doesn't seem to be a family man.



You would upset Novo

[Z]

You would upset Novo

But he needs to know the truth :fist:

[Tom4784]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he turned out to be gay, it would make a lot of sense.

[arista]

But he needs to know the truth :fist:


Maybe Novo will ignore this thread

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not every country can be on the same page as we are.

The Winter Olympics are helping to highlight this issue in Russia re homosexuality. I think it will help push this agenda in a positive way overall.

[Livia]

it amuses me that Coca Cola, sponsors of the Winter Olympics in Russia, have brought out that advert with those dreadful overacting stage school kids in a choir, and a clip of what is clearly a gay marriage. Coca Cola saying hey, look at us! We're inclusive! We're not homophobes! Honest we're not!

[Munchkins]

Maybe Novo will ignore this thread

Yeah probably

[Novo]

Putin is the best leader this world has seen in recent times, he has made Russia a gold mine with the Oil business him and Roman should be honored for their work together, took Russia's military miles forward, stopped America ruthlessly bombing other countries for their gain, the russians want him and love him as a leader and thats really all that matters.

who are we to judge a man who has changed the fortunes of a great country.

[arista]

Putin is the best leader this world has seen in recent times, he has made Russia a gold mine with the Oil business him and Roman should be honored for their work together, took Russia's military miles forward, stopped America ruthlessly bombing other countries for their gain, the russians want him and love him as a leader and thats really all that matters.

who are we to judge a man who has changed the fortunes of a great country.


Its the Gay People that Hate him


If you are Gay in Russia you must hide

[MTVN]

The Times named him their man of the year for 2013 lol

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3960759.ece

[Z]

Putin is the best leader this world has seen in recent times, he has made Russia a gold mine with the Oil business him and Roman should be honored for their work together, took Russia's military miles forward, stopped America ruthlessly bombing other countries for their gain, the russians want him and love him as a leader and thats really all that matters.

who are we to judge a man who has changed the fortunes of a great country.

I completely agree. Before Putin came into power, Russia was a floundering country that was trying desperately to cling onto its great power status without a clue about how to go about doing it. Putin revolutionised Russia and turned its fortunes around. He is so loved by the Russians because he's turned things around so dramatically. I'm so fascinated by Russian geopolitics, I would love to meet Putin one day, he's a brilliant politician. I might not agree with some of his politics but I think he's one of the most important figures of this century.

[CaudleHalbard]

Whatever Putin thinks of gays, Mr Google suggests that the capital of Russia does not lack gay facilities :

http://www.nighttours.com/moscow/gayguide/

[Novo]

It's really interesting watching the body language of Putin and Obama at meetings, i think Putin respects Obama more then he did Bush by some margin but Obama is always looks like the false one putting on that cheesy smile for the camera and trying to convince the people he has made the right decisions but Putin has always been the same, true to his word since the days of the KGB, a realist and a just man, when he speaks you know he means business you don't get that with Obama everything just feels like bs

[Z]

Putin is the kind of strong leader that I wish we had in the UK. Sometimes they make questionable decisions but they get things done.

[CaudleHalbard]

Putin is the kind of strong leader that I wish we had in the UK. Sometimes they make questionable decisions but they get things done.

Margaret Thatcher was, arguably, the last one - and she ruffled a few feathers! ;)

[Z]

Margaret Thatcher was, arguably, the last one - and she ruffled a few feathers! ;)

I was gonna bring her up but decided against it :laugh: I wasn't born when she was in power so while I find her interesting to read about, I don't know what it was like to live through her time in power.

[Novo]

exactly Zee, the ammount of risks putin has took over the years that have paid off for him is nothing short of legendary, it was amazing last year when we voted against action in Syria, Putin must have felt godlike knowng the british people see it from his side more then Cameron's

[Z]

exactly Zee, the ammount of risks putin has took over the years that have paid off for him is nothing short of legendary, it was amazing last year when we voted against action in Syria, Putin must have felt godlike knowng the british people see it from his side more then Cameron's

It's quite entertaining watching Russia and China veto the USA's agenda in the UN; as much as the USA likes to play the role of World Police, there is such a thing as war fatigue and I'm surprised they even thought it was a good idea trying to get involved in Syria considering the public backlash against the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'm glad Britain voted against action in Syria, it doesn't look good being involved in so many conflicts regardless of the reasoning behind it.

[Jesus.]

"Putin also added that Russia was more liberal than some other countries, claiming that in certain US states homosexuality was still punishable by law"

Which ones :suspect:

I know there are 29 states in which you can still be fired from your job for being gay. The republicans refuse to allow a federal vote outlawing this practice on the state level.

[MeMyselfAndI]

He's been misusing his power & support to brainwash & push his views onto others, awful human

[Shaun]

As much as I find him questionable the hatred of homosexuals is at much more of a grassroots level than just "well Putin told them so".

There's not going to be a "strong leader like him" over here because the press is much more free and is going to tear everyone to pieces on every account possible. I daresay if a Russian journalist tried the kind of character assassination people over at the Guardian and Independent are free to do, they'd be out of a job or conveniently disappearing soon. They rank 148th out of 179 countries on the Press Freedom Index, and the government owns about 60% of newspapers.

[Z]

As much as I find him questionable the hatred of homosexuals is at much more of a grassroots level than just "well Putin told them so".

There's not going to be a "strong leader like him" over here because the press is much more free and is going to tear everyone to pieces on every account possible. I daresay if a Russian journalist tried the kind of character assassination people over at the Guardian and Independent are free to do, they'd be out of a job or conveniently disappearing soon. They rank 148th out of 179 countries on the Press Freedom Index, and the government owns about 60% of newspapers.

I agree, homosexuality just hasn't taken any kind of hold in Russian culture - it exists as it does everywhere, but there's never been any kind of popular support for it ever. No positive exposure in the media, nothing. Putin isn't the reason why people hate gays, he himself has barely said anything on the matter but I think it's useful for his administration if there are scapegoats they can make use of when they need one.

When I said "strong leader" I meant a decisive one who gets things done; Margaret Thatcher being the last leader the UK had to really decisively lead the country. The Russian government controls so much of Russia's infrastructure - Gazprom is more or less a branch of the Russian government, for example. When countries deal with Gazprom, they're dealing with the Russian government. It's a fascinating country.

[lostalex]

I can't understand how the Winter Olympics hasn't been withdrawn from Russia. Once again they show themselves as an uneducated backwater. How embarrassing for them.

Also, the world cup is gonna be in Russia in 2018 and the 2022 world cup was given to Qatar... Both have appalling human rights records.

The Olympics and the World Cup are businesses, they only care about money.

The truth is if you really tried to find a country to host these that doesn't have some kind of human rights issues, you'd have a pretty difficult task.

Britain itself was attacked for being chosen for 2012 because of the war in Iraq. Sydney 2000 was attacked for Aboriginal treatment, etc... every country has it's skeletons.

As abhorrent as Russia's anti-gay laws are, if we only gave sporting events to perfect countries, we'd have no sporting events.

[arista]

On BBC1 Marr
a new Interview out there
he has said he has mates who are gay.

[Apple202]

why hasn't this been boycotted smh

[Apple202]

and novo will just support anyone seemingly macho

[arista]

and novo will just support anyone seemingly macho


Sadly True

[Z]

On BBC1 Marr
a new Interview out there
he has said he has mates who are gay.

Who, Putin or Marr? :laugh:

[CaudleHalbard]

It is often the case the worst homopbobes have repressed sexuality issues. ;)

[MeMyselfAndI]

and novo will just support anyone seemingly macho

I'd hardly say macho! Putin looks like a cross between the three eyed alliens off Toy Story and an elf

[arista]

Who, Putin or Marr? :laugh:


Putin
of course

[Nedusa]

And to think there were members on here praising Putin as some legend, even if it was a joke -.-

I'm sorry , but this particular situation I agree is very distasteful and probably politically motivated. But don't be fooled Vladimir Putin is an exceptional leader and strategist he has galvanised Russia and put them back on the world map. He is an inspirational President as has been seen over the last decade or so.

Anybody who thinks the man is stupid or weak or a fool clearly has not any grasp on reality and probably gets their news from the Sun or Daily Mail.