Fun Sponge Jim

[Benjamin]

Could he suck any more fun out of a night.

[Munchkins]

He really annoyed me there
Luisa was ****ing hilarious, such a legend :joker:

[Jordan.]

Where are the Jim fans saying Linda is the miserable one

[Lee.]

I think Jim has a sense if humour but just cat be doing with loud attention seeking arseholes.. A bit like me :)

[MTVN]

He is 60 years old, did you expect him to be dry humping a screeching Luisa or something :nono:

[Lee.]

Where are the Jim fans saying Linda is the miserable one

Linda IS miserable

[Josy]

How dare anyone one want some peace to sleep

[Vanessa]

Dappy created the problem. I know he meant well, but what he said made things worse. :fist:

[Jordan.]

Linda IS miserable

Atleast she was joining in with everyone tonight and not sulking in bed

[Vanessa]

How dare anyone one want some peace to sleep

He just wanted to sleep. :joker:

[Vanessa]

He is 60 years old, did you expect him to be dry humping a screeching Luisa or something :nono:

This! :thumbs:

[Amy Jade]

He is 60 years old, did you expect him to be dry humping a screeching Luisa or something :nono:
Lionel was 80+ and didn't make as much fuss.

[Munchkins]

Tbh he should have let up on here it was one night of united drunken fun ffs, even Linda wasnt being miserabel and was laughing

[Benjamin]

Atleast she was joining in with everyone tonight and not sulking in bed

Even Liz was getting involved, they had all just survived eviction. He makes himself the outcast of the group.

[Vanessa]

I think Jim has a sense if humour but just cat be doing with loud attention seeking arseholes.. A bit like me :)

:worship::worship::worship:

[Kate!]

He is 60 years old, did you expect him to be dry humping a screeching Luisa or something :nono:

Lionel would have, at 82. Randy old goat.

[Cherie]

How is he a fun sponge when he lets them get on with it he only went back in when the light went off

[MTVN]

Lionel was 80+ and didn't make as much fuss.

Lionel is a very strange fella

[Josy]

Lionel was 80+ and didn't make as much fuss.

Maybe because he was mostly snoring his head off before anyone else went to be anyway?

Jim was already in bed trying to sleep before the rest of them went into the bedroom screaming.

[Kazanne]

I think Jim has a sense if humour but just cat be doing with loud attention seeking arseholes.. A bit like me :)

THIS^

[CaudleHalbard]

Lionel is a very strange fella

Always has been, my gran says. Lol! ;)

[Patricia4]

Atleast she was joining in with everyone tonight and not sulking in bed

Just a show its nearly time for nomination's.

[Lee.]

There's a garden and the rest if the house to be irritating in.. The bedroom should be for sleeping, especially when there is a big age and personality difference in the house. I'd go ape**** if there was folk trying to get camera time at bedtime!

[Kazanne]

How is he a fun sponge when he lets them get on with it he only went back in when the light went off

Anything to have a pop at him Cherie,I think he's funny even when he's grumpy,LOL

[MrWong]

Jim - Luisa's screaming was keeping me up

Dappy - I was screaming too

Jim - No, you're alright

:suspect:

[Josy]

Jim - Luisa's screaming was keeping me up

Dappy - I was screaming too

Jim - No, you're alright

:suspect:

Well Luisa was the one screeching over everyone else tbf.

[Amy Jade]

Maybe because he was mostly snoring his head off before anyone else went to be anyway?

Jim was already in bed trying to sleep before the rest of them went into the bedroom screaming.
Yeah and its only Luisa's fault. :facepalm:

[Jordan.]

Lmao it's not even worth arguing because if it was Linda moaning she couldn't sleep the Jim fans would be tearing her apart.

[Mystic Mock]

How dare anyone one want some peace to sleep

It's the Big Brother House not his actual home, he should be enjoying himself not ruining everybody else's fun.

[Josy]

Yeah and its only Luisa's fault. :facepalm:

Did I say that?

Everyone in the room being noisy were inconsiderate IMO.

[Amy Jade]

It's the Big Brother House not his actual home, he should be enjoying himself not ruining everybody else's fun.
+2

[MrWong]

Well Luisa was the one screeching over everyone else tbf.

Dappy was just as loud when they were screaming in the shower and it was Dappy being noisy when Jim was asleep in bed. Luisa wasn't even in the room at that time.

[Amy Jade]

Did I say that?

Everyone in the room being noisy were inconsiderate IMO.
Did I say you did?

[Josy]

It's the Big Brother House not his actual home, he should be enjoying himself not ruining everybody else's fun.

He was enjoying himself then he felt tired and went to bed is that not allowed?

Is sleep against the rules in BB or something? :huh:

[Vanessa]

He was enjoying himself then he felt tired and went to bed is that not allowed?

Is sleep against the rules in BB or something? :huh:

It must be! :joker:

[MTVN]

Jim was having a cracking night, he was hiding the wine and everything

[Vanessa]

Jim was having a cracking night, he was hiding the wine and everything

It's nice to see him having a laugh. :hugesmile:

[Josy]

Dappy was just as loud when they were screaming in the shower and it was Dappy being noisy when Jim was asleep in bed. Luisa wasn't even in the room at that time.

Ah well we must have heard differently then.

Did I say you did?

You quoted my post?

[MrWong]

Ah well we must have heard differently then.

It was when Dappy was humping Lionels bed.

The only hm's in the room were Sam and Dappy.

[MTVN]

tbf he's always going to be more tolerant with Dappy who's his friend and went and apologised for being too loud than with Luisa who revels in winding Jim up

[Mystic Mock]

He was enjoying himself then he felt tired and went to bed is that not allowed?

Is sleep against the rules in BB or something? :huh:

They just survived eviction aren't they allowed to have some fun? Or celebrate for that matter? It's not like it was an average night in the Big Brother house where they was being inconsiderate, and if it was Linda struggling to sleep because Jim was making noise in the Bedroom loads of the same people here would call Linda a miserable old cow.

[Josy]

It was when Dappy was humping Lionels bed.

The only hm's in the room were Sam and Dappy.

Dappy wasn't screaming when Jim was in bed though, screaming never started until after that and that's what Jim was probably referring to when he was on the sofa's.

[Amy Jade]

You quoted my post?
Because you said he left because of them making noise, yet Jim only pulled up Luisa's name.

And he's not banging stuff around in the morning to get back at them, he's as inconsiderate if not worse because they weren't having fun to piss him off but he was spraying aerosol and banging cups around to wake people up.

[Jordan.]

They just survived eviction aren't they allowed to have some fun? Or celebrate for that matter? It's not like it was an average night in the Big Brother house where they was being inconsiderate, and if it was Linda struggling to sleep because Jim was making noise in the Bedroom loads of the same people here would call Linda a miserable old cow.

Agreed, great post :worship:

[Amy Jade]

Dappy wasn't screaming when Jim was in bed though, screaming never started until after that and that's what Jim was probably referring to when he was on the sofa's.
Jim blamed Luisa before that, Dappy went out to speak to him and said he was making noise too and Jim excused Dappy and lumped all the blame on Luisa.

[Lee.]

Because you said he left because of them making noise, yet Jim only pulled up Luisa's name.

And he's not banging stuff around in the morning to get back at them, he's as inconsiderate if not worse because they weren't having fun to piss him off but he was spraying aerosol and banging cups around to wake people up.

I'd have done exactly the same! I don't cope well with being kept from sleep either!

[Slevin]

i think its funny this bedroom crap comes up every series. you are living in a house with plenty of people. sometimes its gonna get noisy. its like a big sleepover in that house. yea some people should be considerate but should know by now that is not always gonna happen. like others have said its eviction night. those nights can get rowdy and rightfully so at times.

sometimes this stuff can get drama going and give us some entertainment. some people sound like they just want a house with no conflict and really want to see these people gathered around a christmas tree in whoville singing happy.

[Josy]

They just survived eviction aren't they allowed to have some fun? Or celebrate for that matter? It's not like it was an average night in the Big Brother house where they was being inconsiderate, and if it was Linda struggling to sleep because Jim was making noise in the Bedroom loads of the same people here would call Linda a miserable old cow.

No one said they aren't allowed to have fun but does having fun have to include depriving other housemates of sleep?

And I think anyone stopping others from sleeping are inconsiderate.

[Josy]

Jim blamed Luisa before that, Dappy went out to speak to him and said he was making noise too and Jim excused Dappy and lumped all the blame on Luisa.

I only heard Jim mentioning Luisa's screaming once and it was the during the conversation with Dappy on the sofas like we already posted about earlier in the thread.

[Mystic Mock]

No one said they aren't allowed to have fun but does having fun have to include depriving other housemates of sleep?

And I think anyone stopping others from sleeping are inconsiderate.

So one Housemate is supposed to stop 8 other Housemates from having fun?

[MrWong]

Dappy wasn't screaming when Jim was in bed though, screaming never started until after that and that's what Jim was probably referring to when he was on the sofa's.

He was. That's why he came out of the bedroom and apologised.

[Josy]

So one Housemate is supposed to stop 8 other Housemates from having fun?

Again no one said that.

[Josy]

He was. That's why he came out of the bedroom and apologised.

He wasn't screaming though? he jumped on Lionels bed and was singing slightly different from screaming no?

We must hear things differently I suppose.

[King Gizzard]

Big Jim is the life and soul of the party

[Amy Jade]

No one said they aren't allowed to have fun but does having fun have to include depriving other housemates of sleep?

And I think anyone stopping others from sleeping are inconsiderate.
He was sleeping earlier as you said. He is hardly being sleep deprived, it was one night.

[Josy]

He was sleeping earlier as you said. He is hardly being sleep deprived, it was one night.

It hasn't been one night though has it? we had a thread very similar to this when Jasmine and Luisa were deliberately keeping him awake.

[Mystic Mock]

Again no one said that.

Well that's what you're advocating when you want everyone to not have fun just because Jim says so.

[Josy]

Well that's what you're advocating when you want everyone to not have fun just because Jim says so.

:facepalm:

Third time I have posted now no one is/was saying that they aren't allowed to have fun.

[Mystic Mock]

:facepalm:

Third time I have posted now no one is/was saying that they aren't allowed to have fun.

Well what fun should they have then? After all Saint Jim won't allow any fun in the house unless it's to wind up Linda.

[Slevin]

i would like to apologize right now to all the boys & girls that have had a hard time this night. i forgot... poor Jim.

[Josy]

Well what fun should they have then? After all Saint Jim won't allow any fun in the house unless it's to wind up Linda.

Any fun they want that saint Jim allows.

[Vanessa]

Any fun they want that saint Jim allows.

:laugh2:

[Jordan.]

It hasn't been one night though has it? we had a thread very similar to this when Jasmine and Luisa were deliberately keeping him awake.

He's in the Big Brother house he should expect a few sleepness nights. He is getting a paycheck for being in there afterall.

[Slevin]

anyone can make it up with a nappy. just ask Dappy.

[MTVN]

All the man wants is a good nights kip

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3001857.ece/ALTERNATES/s465a/Celebrity-Big-Brother--Jim-Davidson-3001857.jpg

[Black Dagger]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeTFqSiIIAE8ZQi.jpg:small

[Vanessa]

All the man wants is a good nights kip

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3001857.ece/ALTERNATES/s465a/Celebrity-Big-Brother--Jim-Davidson-3001857.jpg

:joker:

[Benjamin]

All the man wants is a nice bit of kip

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3001857.ece/ALTERNATES/s465a/Celebrity-Big-Brother--Jim-Davidson-3001857.jpg

He knows where the front door is. :pipe:

[Kazanne]

Any fun they want that saint Jim allows.

:joker::joker::joker::devil: wicked

[Amy Jade]

It hasn't been one night though has it? we had a thread very similar to this when Jasmine and Luisa were deliberately keeping him awake.
That was almost a week ago was it not?

If he wanted a quiet fortnight away he's gone to the wrong place, he's seen BB and he knew what he was getting himself into. He's just being a miserable git.

[Josy]

All the man wants is a good nights kip

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3001857.ece/ALTERNATES/s465a/Celebrity-Big-Brother--Jim-Davidson-3001857.jpg

Don't be silly, no one sleeps in the BB house.

[Mystic Mock]

All hail Saint Jim.

[Josy]

That was almost a week ago was it not?

If he wanted a quiet fortnight away he's gone to the wrong place, he's seen BB and he knew what he was getting himself into. He's just being a miserable git.

Does it matter how long ago, you said it was one night now your acknowledging it wasn't..

And you think he's miserable I think the others are inconsiderate I think we have already covered all this throughout the thread.

[Mystic Mock]

Don't be silly, no one sleeps in the BB house.

This song should be for Jim when he comes out as the group name should teach him to develop that type of personality trait.

Sv6dMFF_yts

[Josy]

He knows where the front door is. :pipe:

Is there a bed at the front door? :idc:

[Slevin]

this is funny. like he isnt gonna get that sleep. he will. just not at the exact time he wants it like most people that stay in the BB house.

[Lee.]

I can't help think that if Luisa was to go off on one, screeching about not being able to sleep for the noise she'd be labelled as a "legend" by some on here.

[Benjamin]

I can't help think that if Luisa was to go off on one, screeching about not being able to sleep for the noise she'd be labelled as a "legend" by some on here.

This is how a lot of people feel about the Jim fans too, so it's a mutual thought. :tongue:

[Mystic Mock]

This is how a lot of people feel about the Jim fans too, so it's a mutual thought. :tongue:

Exactly.

[Munchkins]

Tbh Jim did choose to go in the house with all of them too, he only has to put up with them all being loud for like a week and a bit, so he should just stop even caring, at the end of the day
It just makes him look worse, they are a loud a bit of total drunk fun once in a while it would be boring without it

[Lee.]

This is how a lot of people feel about the Jim fans too, so it's a mutual thought. :tongue:

He doesn't go about deliberately trying to keep people awake though.. And to say in his favour, rather than causing a scene he does take himself away to try and get a bit sleep elsewhere.

Luisa is purposely trying to piss him off.. No argument!

[Lee.]

Tbh Jim did choose to go in the house with all of them too, he only has to put up with them all being loud for like a week and a bit, so he should just stop even caring, at the end of the day
It just makes him look worse, they are a loud a bit of total drunk fun once in a while it would be boring without it

Can't be making him look that bad.. He's had the most votes and been saved every time ha2

[Slevin]

I can't help think that if Luisa was to go off on one, screeching about not being able to sleep for the noise she'd be labelled as a "legend" by some on here.

This is how a lot of people feel about the Jim fans too, so it's a mutual thought. :tongue:
yep it definitely does. lets not kid ourselves. i just think its funny when Jim fans say that about Luisa fans and act like that doesnt happen with Jim fans and vice versa.

if Luisa was doing what Jim was doing i wouldnt like it either. my favorites always do something or say something im not gonna like or agree with. i dont hold any of em on a pedastal like some do and call em saint, lord, god or whatever other bs people wanna call em. i get a good laugh out of it so i thank those for that.

[MrWong]

He wasn't screaming though? he jumped on Lionels bed and was singing slightly different from screaming no?

We must hear things differently I suppose.

Loud high pitched singing whilst Jim was asleep in bed.

Sam also said "can you hear those two screaming" about Dappy and Luisa when they were in the bathroom.

[Lozzibear]

Oh here we go :sleep:

Regardless of what people expect from the house, if someone is tired then they just want sleep... they won't think about what they should have expected, they will just be wanting sleep. If Jim wants to sleep then NO ONE has the right to tell him he is wrong for doing so - and this isn't the first time this has happened. I am only 24 and the behaviour in that house would do my head in...

And what bugs me the most is people criticising Jim for not liking the screaming... but he doesn't make a massive issue about it. He takes himself off into the garden or living room to patiently wait for quiet (or them to fall asleep)... he doesn't kick off and complain. Until those certain people purposely try to annoy him... and even then he just tells them to f off.

[Vanessa]

Oh here we go :sleep:

Regardless of what people expect from the house, if someone is tired then they just want sleep... they won't think about what they should have expected, they will just be wanting sleep. If Jim wants to sleep then NO ONE has the right to tell him he is wrong for doing so - and this isn't the first time this has happened. I am only 24 and the behaviour in that house would do my head in...

And what bugs me the most is people criticising Jim for not liking the screaming... but he doesn't make a massive issue about it. He takes himself off into the garden or living room to patiently wait for quiet (or them to fall asleep)... he doesn't kick off and complain. Until those certain people purposely try to annoy him... and even then he just tells them to f off.

:worship::worship::worship:

[Kazanne]

Oh here we go :sleep:

Regardless of what people expect from the house, if someone is tired then they just want sleep... they won't think about what they should have expected, they will just be wanting sleep. If Jim wants to sleep then NO ONE has the right to tell him he is wrong for doing so - and this isn't the first time this has happened. I am only 24 and the behaviour in that house would do my head in...

And what bugs me the most is people criticising Jim for not liking the screaming... but he doesn't make a massive issue about it. He takes himself off into the garden or living room to patiently wait for quiet (or them to fall asleep)... he doesn't kick off and complain. Until those certain people purposely try to annoy him... and even then he just tells them to f off.

Great Post Lozziebear

[Mystic Mock]

Oh here we go :sleep:

Regardless of what people expect from the house, if someone is tired then they just want sleep... they won't think about what they should have expected, they will just be wanting sleep. If Jim wants to sleep then NO ONE has the right to tell him he is wrong for doing so - and this isn't the first time this has happened. I am only 24 and the behaviour in that house would do my head in...

And what bugs me the most is people criticising Jim for not liking the screaming... but he doesn't make a massive issue about it. He takes himself off into the garden or living room to patiently wait for quiet (or them to fall asleep)... he doesn't kick off and complain. Until those certain people purposely try to annoy him... and even then he just tells them to f off.
The last time I checked storming off in a sulk because he can't handle what's gone on for years on BB (after all he didn't have to sign up for the show) is making a scene imo as all the Housemates will see him doing that and most of them will feel bad as his deliberately making them feel bad and his bringing the mood down on what should be a celebration as a lot of those Housemates had just survived their first vote, it was a special occasion for some of them and Jim ruined it for them, if anything that makes him the inconsiderate one.

[Kazanne]

The last time I checked storming off in a sulk because he can't handle what's gone on for years on BB (after all he didn't have to sign up for the show) is making a scene imo as all the Housemates will see him doing that and most of them will feel bad as his deliberately making them feel bad and his bringing the mood down on what should be a celebration as a lot of those Housemates had just survived their first vote, it was a special occasion for some of them and Jim ruined it for them, if anything that makes him the inconsiderate one.

he didn't 'storm' off Mocky he was walking quite slow from what I saw:hugesmile:

[Mystic Mock]

Oh here we go :sleep:

Regardless of what people expect from the house, if someone is tired then they just want sleep... they won't think about what they should have expected, they will just be wanting sleep. If Jim wants to sleep then NO ONE has the right to tell him he is wrong for doing so - and this isn't the first time this has happened. I am only 24 and the behaviour in that house would do my head in...

And what bugs me the most is people criticising Jim for not liking the screaming... but he doesn't make a massive issue about it. He takes himself off into the garden or living room to patiently wait for quiet (or them to fall asleep)... he doesn't kick off and complain. Until those certain people purposely try to annoy him... and even then he just tells them to f off.

he didn't 'storm' off Mocky he was walking quite slow from what I saw:hugesmile:

He still had a face like a slapped arse though Kazanne, anyone could see that.

[Josy]

He still had a face like a slapped arse though Kazanne, anyone could see that.

It was dark and then his back was to the camera so if you could see his face clear enough to notice that then well done to you.

[Lee.]

He still had a face like a slapped arse though Kazanne, anyone could see that.

Do you expect somebody who is pissed off because they can't sleep to be skipping about and laughing??

[Mystic Mock]

It was dark and then his back was to the camera so if you could see his face clear enough to notice that then well done to you.

I'm on about the time when Dappy came to check on him and he had a face on him even a Mother couldn't love.

[Mystic Mock]

Do you expect somebody who is pissed off because they can't sleep to be skipping about and laughing??

No but he shouldn't ruin everybody else's fun in the house and you would agree with me if it wasn't Saint Jim complaining.

[Slevin]

http://i43.tinypic.com/291n5fo.png

[Josy]

Such a happy soul is Jim

[Lee.]

No but he shouldn't ruin everybody else's fun in the house and you would agree with me if it wasn't Saint Jim complaining.

No I wouldn't. I think everybody is entitled to sleep. There is a whole house and a garden to have fun in.. The bedroom should be a place where people can go to bed if they want to sleep.

[Munchkins]

Can't be making him look that bad.. He's had the most votes and been saved every time ha2

I'm a big fan of Jim, but its more of, hes going to be bringing more drama onto himself.. hes going to be the one laughing if he wins so just put up with the annoying ****ers he doesnt like:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Everyone's allegedly being horrible to Saint Jim and his doing nothing to aggravate the situation himself.

[Josy]

Everyone's allegedly being horrible to Saint Jim and his doing nothing to aggravate the situation himself.

:joker::joker:

You are actually the only member I have seen referring to him as saint jim tbh

[Mystic Mock]

No I wouldn't. I think everybody is entitled to sleep. There is a whole house and a garden to have fun in.. The bedroom should be a place where people can go to bed if they want to sleep.

They couldn't have fun in the Garden because of the neighbors, and Jim bitches about any fun do remember this is the same guy that bitched about them singing Roar in the Living Room when BB played it for them to you know Enjoy.

It's really annoying how some people gloss over Jim's mistakes and change their opinions to suit Jim, it's weird.

[Mystic Mock]

:joker::joker:

You are actually the only member I have seen referring to him as saint jim tbh

I'm only going by the John James type fanbase that his built for himself.:joker:

[MTVN]

Saint Jim

http://static.entertainmentwise.com/photos/Image/wenn20990540.jpg

[King Gizzard]

Got a bit mesmerized by that picture for a minute I thought Jim had merged in with the chair and become some sort of flying Godlike golden lion

[Josy]

Saint Jim sitting there on his heavenly throne

[Jack_]

pmsl if it were up to some people on here this series would have been deprived of all of its entertaining and interesting parts (that have actually made it so popular and talked about, I should add) and they wouldn't be happy until every housemate went to bed in silence at 10pm, respected each other, got along and complimented one another and talked all day about their favourite foods

It's a good thing that they aren't letting Jim go to bed in silence, and from the clips we've seen since him and Luisa are now engaging in a tit-for-tat, petty exchange of 'who can make the most noise to piss the other one off', and eventually if they continue I think Jim's going to explode, and that should make for amazing TV :worship: yet some people would rather them respect him and let him go to bed, the opinions on here sometimes...

[joeysteele]

Oh here we go :sleep:

Regardless of what people expect from the house, if someone is tired then they just want sleep... they won't think about what they should have expected, they will just be wanting sleep. If Jim wants to sleep then NO ONE has the right to tell him he is wrong for doing so - and this isn't the first time this has happened. I am only 24 and the behaviour in that house would do my head in...

And what bugs me the most is people criticising Jim for not liking the screaming... but he doesn't make a massive issue about it. He takes himself off into the garden or living room to patiently wait for quiet (or them to fall asleep)... he doesn't kick off and complain. Until those certain people purposely try to annoy him... and even then he just tells them to f off.

Brilliant and fair post.
No matter whether I like a housemate or not, I have always maintained that people trying to go to sleep or being asleep at night should be allowed to sleep undisturbed.

I would be really likely to go off it if I was trying to go to slepp or was asleep in a bedroom and others woke me up for no necessary reason.
Do the socialising elsewhere not in the bedroom, housemates are 'not' allowed to sleep in the living areas so why be allowed to party and make noise in the bedroom.

I say that as to any housemate, even a housmate I really didn't like because after the tedious days they have in there it must be a massive relief to finally get to go to sleep and pass away a few more hours.

I would actually be thrown out of the BB house if that happened and I was in, I would have already really fired off on all cylinders as to Luisa,she is 100% ignorant and that does not come across as funny or entertaining to em anyway.

Once you may let pass, regularly like she does it,no way, if I was woke up or couldn't get to sleep for her nonsense then I would make sure she got none either.
Iam a real grouch if I cannot get my sleep and I hate being woken up for no reason,anywhere.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf you haven't gone in the BB house though Joey, Jim has the same ideals so maybe he should of thought about that con as it's such a big deal to him.

[Josy]

pmsl if it were up to some people on here this series would have been deprived of all of its entertaining and interesting parts (that have actually made it so popular and talked about, I should add) and they wouldn't be happy until every housemate went to bed in silence at 10pm, respected each other, got along and complimented one another and talked all day about their favourite foods

It's a good thing that they aren't letting Jim go to bed in silence, and from the clips we've seen since him and Luisa are now engaging in a tit-for-tat, petty exchange of 'who can make the most noise to piss the other one off', and eventually if they continue I think Jim's going to explode, and that should make for amazing TV :worship: yet some people would rather them respect him and let him go to bed, the opinions on here sometimes...


Slight exaggeration there eh Jack

[Lee.]

pmsl if it were up to some people on here this series would have been deprived of all of its entertaining and interesting parts (that have actually made it so popular and talked about, I should add) and they wouldn't be happy until every housemate went to bed in silence at 10pm, respected each other, got along and complimented one another and talked all day about their favourite foods

It's a good thing that they aren't letting Jim go to bed in silence, and from the clips we've seen since him and Luisa are now engaging in a tit-for-tat, petty exchange of 'who can make the most noise to piss the other one off', and eventually if they continue I think Jim's going to explode, and that should make for amazing TV :worship: yet some people would rather them respect him and let him go to bed, the opinions on here sometimes...
Everybody's idea of a good BB and what makes a hm entertaining is obviously different! I'll admit it's getting more entertaining now.. But that first week was complete and utter infantile nonsense!

[Slevin]

pmsl if it were up to some people on here this series would have been deprived of all of its entertaining and interesting parts (that have actually made it so popular and talked about, I should add) and they wouldn't be happy until every housemate went to bed in silence at 10pm, respected each other, got along and complimented one another and talked all day about their favourite foods

It's a good thing that they aren't letting Jim go to bed in silence, and from the clips we've seen since him and Luisa are now engaging in a tit-for-tat, petty exchange of 'who can make the most noise to piss the other one off', and eventually if they continue I think Jim's going to explode, and that should make for amazing TV :worship: yet some people would rather them respect him and let him go to bed, the opinions on here sometimes...
lol yea i made a similar comment on page 2 about that.

[joeysteele]

Tbf you haven't gone in the BB house though Joey, Jim has the same ideals so maybe he should of thought about that con as it's such a big deal to him.

No I haven't Mock but I watch BB and form my opinions of how I'd think were I to be there.

No matter what,I would never condone making deliberate noise around someone trying to get to sleep or even moreso when they were asleep. That is sheer ignorance so Jim I am behind as to that all the way and anyone else who would moan at it too.

They should surely be able to expect some consideration and decency from 'other' adults as to that.

[Jack_]

Slight exaggeration there eh Jack

Nope, every night I come on here there's another thread about how Luisa's being 'such an inconsiderate cow, get her out!!!' or 'how dare they be so inconsiderate to Jim, I can't wait until these rude arsesholes leave' or 'Linda's so miserable, get her out' (when actually Jim without Linda and Linda without Jim are kinda irrelevant) or 'Lee's such a twat, I hope he's evicted!!!!!!'...so yeah, I don't think it's exaggerative to assume that these people would rather watch a series that has no feuds, no arguments, no storylines - just a bunch of people sat around having banal discussions, quite exactly how people would expect that to be as popular as this is however is beyond me

(oh wait I forgot to reply to this - will do so now)

Everybody's idea of a good BB and what makes a hm entertaining is obviously different! I'll admit it's getting more entertaining now.. But that first week was complete and utter infantile nonsense!

Well not exactly, I accept that not everyone has to like or indeed condone some housemates behaviour but the problem for me arises when these very people that spend every minute on here discussing what said housemates are doing want them to leave. I mean that doesn't make sense. Sure, housemates like Luisa may be inconsiderate and rude - I don't think many on here would disagree with that, and most of the housemates in this series aren't people I would wish to associate with - but I don't watch this show looking for people I'd love to befriend, Big Brother is a form of escapism, I watch it hoping to see behaviour that I wouldn't experience in my real life - because it's interesting, entertaining and gives me something to talk about. So while people like Luisa may not exactly be nice, I don't want them to be because they're pissing everyone off and creating all the moments that have made this series so popular (and that cannot be denied - no way in hell would so many people be talking about this CBB had it not been for storylines like the love triangle, Luisa's arguments, Jim and Linda's feud etc) and so the housemates involved should of course remain in the show, it's as if some people don't want the series to succeed?

The other night when Jasmine and Luisa were deliberately keeping Jim up I agreed that they were being out of order (but I still wanted them to carry on doing it, them pissing him off makes better TV than if they'd just be considerate and be quiet...not quite sure how anyone could disagree with that), but on this occasion I actually think everyone but Jim was in the right - if the majority of housemates wanted to sleep then fair enough, you go elsewhere, but that night everyone but Jim was awake and enjoying themselves in the bedroom, I don't see why they should have to move just so one person can sleep. He could have quite easily have stayed in the treehouse until they'd gone to bed

[Kizzy]

Bitter, maudlin alcoholic.
Sick of seeing him shuffling around the house like an extra from thriller.

[Jordan.]

Bitter, maudlin alcoholic.
Sick of seeing him shuffling around the house like an extra from thriller.

:joker:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Jack's completely right

[joeysteele]

Actually I can take on board a great deal of what Jack and Mock,(really good thought provoking posts),have said.
I wouldn't like a house where all were in bed asleep by 10pm or whatever.
I also do take on board that Jim was the only one who was moaning at not being able to settle for the night too.

Mind,Linda could do with going to bed very early indeed to catch up on beauty sleep and also improve her grumpiness in a morning too.

So perhaps I would give some extra tolerance as to some noise in the bedroom a fair bit of the time.
Anyway,I am actually off to bed myself now and all powers that be help anyone around me who dare make any noise and wake me before I have to be up.

[Kizzy]

* bangs pans and screams*
;)

[Munchkins]

* bangs pans and screams*
;)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lte3baydQS1r4ghkoo1_500.gif

[Vicky.]

Much as I like Jim.I kind agree that you should expect this in BB. If it was every night I would say it was wrong, but as a one off..he should lighten up a bit :p

[Seraphim]

Some people seem to have been watching a different show from me. Jim didn't ask or expect everyone to be quiet. He was sitting minding his own business with a cuppa when Dappy came out and commented on him sitting out there, so he explained he wanted peace and he didn't want Dappy to say anything, because he/it was alright. He was obviously knackered and ashen-faced and he's maybe not at his best late at night. Fair dos.

With the best of intentions, Dappy took it upon himself to go and say to people that Jim wanted to go to bed. What's the problem with that? Wee small hours.. Jim's tired .. they all share a room ... But Linda immediately launches into her favourite mode of being vile about Jim in a loud voice so he'd hear, and the cut meant that we didn't hear what else was said, but no doubt he'd have heard more, because Luisa has a voice like a foghorn and is never slow to voice her opinions. How is any of that Jim's fault? Yeah, he was really grumpy thereafter, but so what - I don't blame him: I cannot stand the nasty atmosphere that Linda creates with her bitching, and Luisa is Linda's staunchest ally and sidekick now, so he wouldn't necessarily have seen the humour in her calling him "The Grim Reaper".

I'm not a Jim fan: I've never seen his show, and I'd probably hate it if I did, but he is getting a raw deal from some of the people in that house, and I don't think it's deserved.

[Kizzy]

Pfft, that wasn't tea in that cup.. he has booze stashed all over.
He looks puffy and clammy because he's an alcoholic.
He was shuffling and she made a joke, getting all huffy was just silly. Take thebadvice you give linda every night and 'go to bed!'

[MTVN]

Pfft, that wasn't tea in that cup.. he has booze stashed all over.
He looks puffy and clammy because he's an alcoholic.
He was shuffling and she made a joke, getting all huffy was just silly. Take thebadvice you give linda every night and 'go to bed!'

Nonsense

[Seraphim]

Much as I like Jim.I kind agree that you should expect this in BB. If it was every night I would say it was wrong, but as a one off..he should lighten up a bit :p

I agree, but it's probably easier said than done in that place and under these circumstances. He was probably missing Lionel too, because he and Lionel would often sit and chat together in the evenings.

[Josy]

Pfft, that wasn't tea in that cup.. he has booze stashed all over.
He looks puffy and clammy because he's an alcoholic.
He was shuffling and she made a joke, getting all huffy was just silly. Take thebadvice you give linda every night and 'go to bed!'

That's quite nasty IMO just because someone had drink addiction in the past doesn't mean they can't overcome it, I have seen a few housemates put away more drink than he does but they don't get continually called an alcoholic.

Jim said himself that he learned to control his drinking when it started causing problems in his life, he said he still takes a drink but knows when to stop and he has been seen on the show switching to tea when other housemates are still downing the booze.

[Kizzy]

That's quite nasty IMO just because someone had drink addiction in the past doesn't mean they can't overcome it, I have seen a few housemates put away more drink than he does but they don't get continually called an alcoholic.

Jim said himself that he learned to control his drinking when it started causing problems in his life, he said he still takes a drink but knows when to stop and he has been seen on the show switching to tea when other housemates are still downing the booze.

It's not nasty josy, If you want to call yourself an ex alcoholic you first have to stop drinking.
He hid wine and has been seen drinking cans in the morning.

[Videostar]

He really annoyed me there
Luisa was ****ing hilarious, such a legend :joker:

I bet Gina would have been just as pissed off as Jimbo. :dance:

[Josy]

It's not nasty josy, If you want to call yourself an ex alcoholic you first have to stop drinking.
He hid wine and has been seen drinking cans in the morning.

My opinion is that it's nasty Kizzy and I'm entitled to say that, seen you have digs at his drinking the past few days and I think it's a cheap shot tbh.

He drank the can in the morning (1) btw because BB had taken all the food, teabags and everything else away.

[lostalex]

Lostalec - I think your comment is close to libelous. I read that there were some allegations which had been dropped, but none of them involved children.

Well thankfully we don't have the same libel laws in the US as you do in the UK. I've heard about people being arrested for things they say on twitter in the UK, luckily i don't have to worry about that. :xyxwave:

My speech is more free than yours :)

[Videostar]

well it's hard to have evidence for that, especially 20 years later...that's why i used the word "probably". Only he and his maybe victims will ever know for sure. the rest of us can only speculate.

"Probably" suggests that odds are he did do it, how about "accused of", that's the correct term.

I would hate it for you to be wrongly accused of something but later the charges were dropped, how would you like it for everyone in your neighbourhood gossiping about you.

[Josy]

Well thankfully we don't have the same libel laws in the US as you do in the UK. I've heard about people being arrested for things they say on twitter in the UK, luckily i don't have to worry about that. :xyxwave:

My speech is more free than yours :)

Well you have to worry about posting them on here.

[lostalex]

"Probably" suggests that odds are he did do it, how about "accused of", that's the correct term.

"probably" just means my opinion is leaning towards he did it. But I'm leaving the possibility of him being innocent open.

I'm an athiest, but I still say God probably doesn't exist, because I can't prove that it does't.

[lostalex]

Well you have to worry about posting them on here.

worry about whom? the british courts? or the mods?

I don't have to worry about the british courts.

[Kizzy]

My opinion is that it's nasty Kizzy and I'm entitled to say that, seen you have digs at his drinking the past few days and I think it's a cheap shot tbh.

He drank the can in the morning (1) btw because BB had taken all the food, teabags and everything else away.

Well have your opinion josy doesn't change the facts, as an ex alcoholic myself if I run out of teabags I have water not beer....

[Josy]

Well have your opinion josy doesn't change the facts, as an ex alcoholic myself if I run out of teabags I have water not beer....

Great.

You aren't in BB though and we aren't discussing you, I still think constantly commenting about his previous drink problems is nasty.

[Kizzy]

And I think your blinkered but who cares?
An ex alcoholic who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic. IMO

[lostalex]

I'm confused now, i Haven't seen Jim get sloppy drunk...

I don't think alcohol has anything to do with Jim being an asshole.

[MTVN]

Jim had already gone to bed for the night and got up purely because of the noise so as to seek some quiet in the living room, why would he then decide to sneak a drink of wine? And how is he supposed to be feeding this alcohol addiction with the limited supplies they have in there and under the noses of the cameras and the other housemates in there, most of whom have been a lot more clearly under the influence of alcohol than Jim has?

Saying he was feeding his alcoholism with what he was drinking from that mug is just a completely unfounded allegation

[Videostar]

"probably" just means my opinion is leaning towards he did it. But I'm leaving the possibility of him being innocent open.



Hmmm, well we are meant to be judging HM's on what they say and do in the house, not assume things or judge them on "accusations" that has been thrown at them in the past.

[lostalex]

Hmmm, well we are meant to be judging HM's on what they say and do in the house, not assume things or judge them on "accusations" that has been thrown at them in the past.

meant by who? I didn't know there were rules about how you may watch a TV show, or how you may respond and react to it...

[Seraphim]

well it's hard to have evidence for that, especially 20 years later...that's why i used the word "probably". Only he and his maybe victims will ever know for sure. the rest of us can only speculate.

Lostalec -I have lost count of the number of times I have been sexually assaulted by men in my life, particularly having my legs and boobs groped, and it started when I was about 14, with people who were friends of the family. As an adult I got my boobs groped by a kid of about 10 years old in the street, a medical consultant during a hospital appointment, a solicitor who was a friend of my husband, loads off blokes I was out on a date with, after I'd told them to keep their hands off my boobs... and more. Some were just being cheeky, most stone cold sober, lots just didn't know that "No" means "no", (and that is anyway a muddy area..) The thing is that it happens, and it still happens today, and loads and loads of men are doing it. Clearly in some cases it is inappropriate and unacceptable, such as the consultant who did it to me.. but in other cases, such as in dating situations, it's a difficult issue and there are probably loads of men who are guilty of some kind of sexual misconduct if you choose to view things in a particular way. I'm not condoning it, but if I went to the police and filed a complaint against all the blokes who've grabbed my private parts with no encouragement from me, I'd never be out of court. We don't know what these allegations were, and they've been dropped, so it's not fair to speculate really.

[Videostar]

Can I ask the Jim haters one thing, if you were in that house and very tired and wanted to get some sleep in the bedroom (you know, the place where folks are meant to sleep) wouldn't you have any right at all to be rather put out that people (who you know are trying to goad you into a reaction) are making rather childish and pathetic noises in order to keep you awake.?

I know im going to get the rather dated and silly reply that "he shouldn't have gone into the house then" but please try to be honest. ;)

[lostalex]

Lostalec -I have lost count of the number of times I have been sexually assaulted by men in my life, particularly having my legs and boobs groped, and it started when I was about 14, with people who were friends of the family. As an adult I got my boobs groped by a kid of about 10 years old in the street, a medical consultant during a hospital appointment, a solicitor who was a friend of my husband, loads off blokes I was out on a date with, after I'd told them to keep their hands off my boobs... and more. Some were just being cheeky, most stone cold sober, lots just didn't know that "No" means "no", (and that is anyway a muddy area..) The thing is that it happens, and it still happens today, and loads and loads of men are doing it. Clearly in some cases it is inappropriate and unacceptable, such as the consultant who did it to me.. but in other cases, such as in dating situations, it's a difficult issue and there are probably loads of men who are guilty of some kind of sexual misconduct if you choose to view things in a particular way. I'm not condoning it, but if I went to the police and filed a complaint against all the blokes who've grabbed my private parts with no encouragement from me, I'd never be out of court. We don't know what these allegations were, and they've been dropped, so it's not fair to speculate really.

It sounds like you've surrendered to sexual abuse. not all women have surrendered to it. I'm sorry for your abuse.

But you are actually supporting my point, because you said none of the men that molested you have been convicted in a court, therefore, sexual assault victimizers are walking free but they are considered "innocent".

[jet]

Let's face it, Jim is an old miserable git. Has he watched BB previously? The bedroom has never, in any series of BB been a haven of peace when the HM's have had a drink and are letting their hair down. The HM's are in a pressure cooker environment and letting it rip now and then is going to happen, and Jim Davidson and his needs aren't paramount and neither should they be.
Even when music was played into the house last week - not the bedroom - he went 'FGS!' and grumped off into the garden to sit looking like he was sucking a lemon.
There are YOUNG people in the house, and young people aren't going to curb their energy and high jinks in a one - off experience of a lifetime to suit one person. My goodness, Lionel, Linda and Liz not only accepted that, but joined in. Did we ever hear them complaining?
Jim can sleep to his hearts content when he leaves the house - for God's sake man make the most of something that you willingly went into, are getting paid for and should be enjoying to the full.
I personally think that his problem tonight was that the HM's were singing the Lionel song they made up over and over and that really got to him. One frame went to him lying in bed and it looked like he was giving the finger. :hugesmile:
Then he got up and went into the lounge as usual to draw attention to himself as poor Jim not able to sleep. Why not just stay in bed and count sheep? Then to cap it all he ends the saga by lying down on the bedroom floor by the door. What on earth? If that wasn't attention seeking, what was that about? Grow up!

I've never seen a year on the forum where people complained about the HM's having fun because one person wasn't up for it OR one where the fun in the bedroom was blasted before lights out. The prissy party pooper attitude this year because of one HM is quite bizarre.

[Kizzy]

Jim had already gone to bed for the night and got up purely because of the noise so as to seek some quiet in the living room, why would he then decide to sneak a drink of wine? And how is he supposed to be feeding this alcohol addiction with the limited supplies they have in there and under the noses of the cameras and the other housemates in there, most of whom have been a lot more clearly under the influence of alcohol than Jim has?

Saying he was feeding his alcoholism with what he was drinking from that mug is just a completely unfounded allegation

So sue me!... :laugh:
That's what I think, you're not contracted to agree with me.

[MTVN]

See you in court kizzy

[Josy]

:laugh:

[Videostar]

Let's face it, Jim is an old miserable git. Has he watched BB previously? The bedroom has never, in any series of BB been a haven of peace when the HM's have had a drink and are letting their hair down.

But that doesn't mean it's been right, I've always said HM's who want to stay up and have a laugh have about 5 other rooms they can go into, why does it have to be the B/room?

[Josy]

Jet there's threads every series about housemates not getting to sleep/noise in the bedroom at night.

[jet]

Bitter, maudlin alcoholic.
Sick of seeing him shuffling around the house like an extra from thriller.

You and me both. :thumbs:

[Kizzy]

See you in court kizzy

I'm on the phone now to livia....
She'll eat you alive, and then represent me in court, giggity.

[Videostar]

Some people believe that because it's always been this way that it's ok, it really isn't.

Sleep is every humans basic right, we all need a certain amount of sleep to function.

Jim gets slated for wanting sleep at night but when he "messes around" in the morning in order to get his own back he's called nasty. :conf:

[Kizzy]

Well that just shows what a control freak he is, why can't he have a lie in if he gets so tired?

[lostalex]

Some people believe that because it's always been this way that it's ok, it really isn't.

Sleep is every humans basic right, we all need a certain amount of sleep to function.

Jim gets slated for wanting sleep at night but when he "messes around" in the morning in order to get his own back he's called nasty. :conf:

He doesn't need sleep any more than anyone else in that house though, so why is he any different?

[Jack_]

Some people believe that because it's always been this way that it's ok, it really isn't.

Sleep is every humans basic right, we all need a certain amount of sleep to function.

Jim gets slated for wanting sleep at night but when he "messes around" in the morning in order to get his own back he's called nasty. :conf:

I don't think many people would disagree but you would really rather them just go 'okay sorry Jim, we'll let you sleep' instead of continuing to act like inconsiderate arseholes and piss him off so they start a tit-for-tat battle which'll inevitably end up in a hilarious argument, I mean really? Why would you want them to stop what they are doing? :conf:

[jet]

Jet there's threads every series about housemates not getting to sleep/noise in the bedroom at night.

Honestly? Well, I take your word for that of course. But they must have been pretty low key or not very interesting then because I can't recall any. :huh:

[Videostar]

I don't think many people would disagree but you would really rather them just go 'okay sorry Jim, we'll let you sleep' instead of continuing to act like inconsiderate arseholes and piss him off so they start a tit-for-tat battle which'll inevitably end up in a hilarious argument, I mean really? Why would you want them to stop what they are doing? :conf:

I don't want them to stop what they are doing, im saying they have a whole BIG house to do it in, why the bedroom?

[Videostar]

Honestly? Well, I take your word for that of course. But they must have been pretty low key or not very interesting then because I can't recall any. :huh:

I can, theres always been threads about dickhead HM's who wont shut up in the bedroom at night

[Kizzy]

Honestly? Well, I take your word for that of course. But they must have been pretty low key or not very interesting then because I can't recall any. :huh:

Stand by for a bolded list in 3-2-1 ...

[Jack_]

I don't want them to stop what they are doing, im saying they have a whole BIG house to do it in, why the bedroom?

I don't think you understood my point, because if they said 'okay Jim we'll got to another room', then that wouldn't piss him off...and my point was that why would you want them to stop doing stuff that's going to piss one another off? That's exactly what we want. Sure, I wouldn't want to live amongst it but I'm not, just watching it

[Jase.]

Luisa calling him the grim reaper was ****ing priceless :joker:

[lostalex]

Can't we all just agree that jim is an asshole?

I don't see why anyone would like him, what is likable about him?

[jet]

Pfft, that wasn't tea in that cup.. he has booze stashed all over.
He looks puffy and clammy because he's an alcoholic.
He was shuffling and she made a joke, getting all huffy was just silly. Take thebadvice you give linda every night and 'go to bed!'

Yes, I burst out laughing the other night when he said 'get some sleep, woman' to Linda. Oh the irony! :joker:

[Videostar]

I don't think you understood my point, because if they said 'okay Jim we'll got to another room', then that wouldn't piss him off...and my point was that why would you want them to stop doing stuff that's going to piss one another off? That's exactly what we want. Sure, I wouldn't want to live amongst it but I'm not, just watching it

Well I guess if you don't like Jim (or the HM that was being kept awake) then you would have that opinion...but to be fair to me, I've defended HM's in the past that I seriously disliked for just this same reason.

We all want arguments but not at the expense of someones basic human rights.

[Videostar]

Can't we all just agree that jim is an asshole?



Only if you agree that Luisa and moody arse Linda are bigger ones.? ;)

[Kizzy]

He reminds me of Albert Steptoe, gurning and grimacing all day :joker:

[Jack_]

Well I guess if you don't like Jim (or the HM that was being kept awake) then you would have that opinion...but to be fair to me, I've defended HM's in the past that I seriously disliked for just this same reason.

We all want arguments but not at the expense of someones basic human rights.

Not at all, I've had favourites in the past I'm sure that were kept awake and if I did now I would hold the same opinions - I want all housemates to act like twats and piss each other off, that makes the best TV. No way in hell do I want them to be considerate, that gives us nothing to talk about whatsoever

That's a little bit exaggerative, it's a few weeks in a house, I'm sure he can catch up when he gets out (like I said I agree they're being out of order but I want them to continue and I don't see why anyone else apart from Jim himself would disagree - I want him to go batsh*t at them at some point :dance:)

Also I actually like Jim so it's not cause I don't like him

[Seraphim]

It sounds like you've surrendered to sexual abuse. not all women have surrendered to it. I'm sorry for your abuse.

But you are actually supporting my point, because you said none of the men that molested you have been convicted in a court, therefore, sexual assault victimizers are walking free but they are considered "innocent".

I am not supporting your point. I stated that it is not fair to speculate about what might or might not have happened in a case when sexual assault charges have been dropped. There are grey areas and many, many men can cross over an invisible line inadvertently, or because they are chancing their arm.

Obviously, however, I have been subjected to some clear-cut instances of abuse, and I do appreciate your sympathy.

[Videostar]

Not at all, I've had favourites in the past I'm sure that were kept awake and if I did now I would hold the same opinions - I want all housemates to act like twats and piss each other off, that makes the best TV. No way in hell do I want them to be considerate, that gives us nothing to talk about whatsoever

That's a little bit exaggerative, it's a few weeks in a house, I'm sure he can catch up when he gets out (like I said I agree they're being out of order but I want them to continue and I don't see why anyone else apart from Jim himself would disagree - I want him to go batsh*t at them at some point :dance:)

Also I actually like Jim so it's not cause I don't like him

Fair enough, I take your point....disagree tho. :joker:

I fear if Jim goes ape at them he'll lose his chance of winning because people think his anger is more wrong and undeserving than any of the others anger towards him lol.

[jet]

I agree, but it's probably easier said than done in that place and under these circumstances. He was probably missing Lionel too, because he and Lionel would often sit and chat together in the evenings.

Ha! He used Lionel as the only person in the house who was near his own age (62 going on 90).
As Jim said when Lionel was evicted 'he was alright in small doses' so even an 82 year old man was too much for Jim to handle. I can understand his take on that, as Lionel was full of life and enthusiasm and never once complained about the young ones having fun - he joined in! :hugesmile:

[Kizzy]

Jim is so close to going batsh*t crazy, a few have said it now lionel thinks he has an issuebwith being told what to do so this environment can't be too healthy

[Videostar]

Luisa doesn't like being told what to do either...I've noticed. ;)

[lostalex]

I am not supporting your point. I stated that it is not fair to speculate about what might or might not have happened in a case when sexual assault charges have been dropped. There are grey areas and many, many men can cross over an invisible line inadvertently, or because they are chancing their arm.

Obviously, however, I have been subjected to some clear-cut instances of abuse, and I do appreciate your sympathy.


I don't think the line is as blurry as you are making it out to be., I think the vast majority of men know exactly where that line is, and hence the vast majority of men have not sexually abused anyone. I don't think you are right about how hazy the lines are. The lines are clear to most decent men.

I think men that molest women know exactly what they are doing, and they also rely on people like you to excuse them. Th3y know they can get away with it, because they know that most women will be too confused/ashamed to report it.

I don't think it's fair for you to assume that most men don't know what sexual abuse is.

It's actually offensive that you think men are that stupid.

The men who abused you knew exactly what they were doing, and they got away with it because you didn't report them.

[Kizzy]

Luisa doesn't like being told what to do either...I've noticed. ;)

This thread is about jim not luisa though, you could make one about luisa?

[Seraphim]

I don't think the line is as blurry as you are making it out to be., I think the vast majority of men know exactly where that line is, and hence the vast majority of men have not sexually abused anyone. I don't think you are right about how hazy the lines are. The lines are clear to most decent men.

I think men that molest women know exactly what they are doing, and they also rely on people like you to excuse them. Th3y know they can get away with it, because they know that most women will be too confused/ashamed to report it.

I don't think it's fair for you to assume that most men don't know what sexual abuse is.

I don't know if it's just men, to be fair. A woman friend got into my bed when I was sick once, then grabbed my hand and put it on her breast, even though she knew very well I am straight. She'd been drinking and I think she thought that everyone has the potential to be "bi", so she had a shot. She's a university lecturer in social work. Do I want to ruin her career because of that? Nope. Do I feel like a victim? Nope. Do I feel I surrendered? Nope. Do I feel ashamed? Nope. Did she feel embarrassed afterwards. Yes. Did it spoil our friendship? Yes, but only because she felt rejected.

[Videostar]

This thread is about jim not luisa though, you could make one about luisa?

Nah, I really couldn't be asked. :nono:

Of course that hasn't stopped people bringing Jim into the conversation on threads that weren't about him.

[lostalex]

I don't know if it's just men, to be fair. A woman friend got into my bed when I was sick once, then grabbed my hand and put it on her breast once, even though she knew very well I am straight. She'd been drinking and I think she thought that everyone has the potential to be "bi", so she had a shot. She's a university lecturer in social work. Do I want to ruin her career because of that? Nope.

did you feel violated? The situation you describe, it does;'t sound like you feel violated or intimidated in anyway. It sounds like you never felt afraid or scared.

I think that's a difference, because there is such a power imbalance between men and women.

[jet]

I don't want them to stop what they are doing, im saying they have a whole BIG house to do it in, why the bedroom?

They were having fun and making noise singing the Lionel song in the garden when Jim first got up. The house is a small space really.

[Videostar]

They were having fun and making noise singing the Lionel song in the garden when Jim first got up. The house is a small space really.

I know, but Dappy dropped Jim right in it with the others, Jim never asked for quiet in the bedroom.

[Kizzy]

Nah, I really couldn't be asked. :nono:

Of course that hasn't stopped people bringing Jim into the conversation on threads that weren't about him.

He seems to pop up everywhere doesn't he? You can't get away from the eejit!

[Seraphim]

did you feel violated? The situation you describe, it does;'t sound like you feel violated or intimidated in anyway. It sounds like you never felt afraid or scared.

I think that's a difference, because there is such a power imbalance between men and women.

I didn't feel any more or less violated than I would have done if she'd been a man. I agree that the power balance might make the difference: the incidents when I was underage were the worst. Let's not talk about it more - it's too heavy an issue. I just wanted to make the point that it's not fair to condemn someone for a serious issue when their guilt is far from certain, or even likely - particularly when it is something as damaging as child molestation. I will never press charges against the person who did it to me. I never want to see his face or hear his voice again, and I think I have the right to make that choice. (I did report the consultant, btw, but got nowhere.)

[Slevin]

i thought the whole bedroom **** was funny. yea i wouldnt like it either if i was trying to sleep but im not in that house so i could give a rats ass. like Jack i would rather see these people get bothered then have a tea party. when Luisa screamed Jim wasnt even sleeping so boo hoo for Jim. he could of still got in bed instead of laying by the door like a broke dick dog. they probably piped down several minutes later anyways.

[duclos]

Jim is a boring old slag
Luisa is hilarious!

[joeysteele]

Nah, I really couldn't be asked. :nono:

Of course that hasn't stopped people bringing Jim into the conversation on threads that weren't about him.

I am more with you, this thread is about Jim but in the main him moaning at not being able to get sleep, the main instigator of the noise was Luisa, Dappy had already cooled his noise down by then.
So she is a very valid target on this thread in my opinion since if she wasn't making the ridiculous noise all the time, Jim would not have been complaining.

Also, earlier in this thread someone said, why doesn't Jim have a lie in if he is tired, they cannot lie in, BB gets them up every morning at whatever time BB dictates.
They don't have an option to lie in.

[MrWong]

I am more with you, this thread is about Jim but in the main him moaning at not being able to get sleep, the main instigator of the noise was Luisa, Dappy had already cooled his noise down by then.
So she is a very valid target on this thread in my opinion since if she wasn't making the ridiculous noise all the time, Jim would not have been complaining.

Also, earlier in this thread someone said, why doesn't Jim have a lie in if he is tired, they cannot lie in, BB gets them up every morning at whatever time BB dictates.
They don't have an option to lie in.

No he hadn't. Right before he left the bedroom to see how Jim was doing he was dry humping Luisa and making loud sex noises.

He even apologised for screaming.

[Lee.]

Some people seem to have been watching a different show from me. Jim didn't ask or expect everyone to be quiet. He was sitting minding his own business with a cuppa when Dappy came out and commented on him sitting out there, so he explained he wanted peace and he didn't want Dappy to say anything, because he/it was alright. He was obviously knackered and ashen-faced and he's maybe not at his best late at night. Fair dos.

With the best of intentions, Dappy took it upon himself to go and say to people that Jim wanted to go to bed. What's the problem with that? Wee small hours.. Jim's tired .. they all share a room ... But Linda immediately launches into her favourite mode of being vile about Jim in a loud voice so he'd hear, and the cut meant that we didn't hear what else was said, but no doubt he'd have heard more, because Luisa has a voice like a foghorn and is never slow to voice her opinions. How is any of that Jim's fault? Yeah, he was really grumpy thereafter, but so what - I don't blame him: I cannot stand the nasty atmosphere that Linda creates with her bitching, and Luisa is Linda's staunchest ally and sidekick now, so he wouldn't necessarily have seen the humour in her calling him "The Grim Reaper".

I'm not a Jim fan: I've never seen his show, and I'd probably hate it if I did, but he is getting a raw deal from some of the people in that house, and I don't think it's deserved.
Excellent post.. You are most wise :)

[Ammi]

..tbh..(because I do try to look at things objectively ..)..although I do think that people know before going into BB that they probably won't get much sleep and should be prepared for that because I don't think it's fair to expect those who don't want to sleep to curb their experience either...I do also think that older people who might need more sleep are on to a lose/lose really because if like Jim, they go off somewhere quiet or get grumpy or whatever then people are going to say that it's their own fault for going in but then if they join all the late night stuff like Denise Welch did, then people say ughhhh, they're embarrassing the way they think that they're 'down with the kids..'/why don't they act their age....I think that whatever they do, the media likes to paint a quite negative ageist slant to it...

[lostalex]

Old people are like children. they get sleep when we tell them to go to sleep. I think old people are too uppity these days. they should be more submissive.

Old people have become much more disruptive and unruly, and something needs to be done to discipline them.

I blame Cameron and the conservative government.

[Cherie]

..tbh..(because I do try to look at things objectively ..)..although I do think that people know before going into BB that they probably won't get much sleep and should be prepared for that because I don't think it's fair to expect those who don't want to sleep to curb their experience either...I do also think that older people who might need more sleep are on to a lose/lose really because if like Jim, they go off somewhere quiet or get grumpy or whatever then people are going to say that it's their own fault for going in but then if they join all the late night stuff like Denise Welch did, then people say ughhhh, they're embarrassing the way they think that they're 'down with the kids..'/why don't they act their age....I think that whatever they do, the media likes to paint a quite negative ageist slant to it...

In fairness to Jim he didn't complain, he removed himself from the garden and the bedroom, Dappy did the complaining for him :joker: and I agree with your point about Denise, the outrage over her getting down with the kids and now the outrage over Jim not is just too much, (though from her BOTs appearance a few nights back I think she is embarrassed about it now and wishes it would go away).

[Kizzy]

When jim vindictively banged the cups and for some reason sprayed deodorant :crazy: it was before the alarms, not tired then was he?

[CaudleHalbard]

People a lot older than Jim are in government and make laws which affect our lives!

It comes down, I think, to what Lionel said: Jim likes to be the boss but nobody in the house treats him as one. So he's grumpy.

[Cherie]

When jim vindictively banged the cups and for some reason sprayed deodorant :crazy: it was before the alarms, not tired then was he?

That was brilliant, a bit of tit for tat, I don't think there are any alarms this year not heard one yet or nothing mentioned on the twitter feed, BB going easy on them :nono:

[Ammi]

Old people are like children. they get sleep when we tell them to go to sleep. I think old people are too uppity these days. they should be more submissive.

Old people have become much more disruptive and unruly, and something needs to be done to discipline them.

I blame Cameron and the conservative government.

...:joker:...yeah, it probably is his fault as well...

[Kizzy]

There have been many older housemates, jim and denise are two examples on either end of a scale.... there are many in between :conf:
Neither can be held up as the 'norm'.

[Ammi]

In fairness to Jim he didn't complain, he removed himself from the garden and the bedroom, Dappy did the complaining for him :joker: and I agree with your point about Denise, the outrage over her getting down with the kids and now the outrage over Jim not is just too much, (though from her BOTs appearance a few nights back I think she is embarrassed about it now and wishes it would go away).


..yeah, I did say if the reaction was to either go off to somewhere quiet or be grumpy..(read my posts/joking..:laugh:...)..but yeah, I do think that whatever the reaction/if they're down with the kids like Denise, the media will paint it as negatively and then that obviously gives us loads to 'discuss'...LOL...

[Cherie]

..yeah, I did say if the reaction was to either go off to somewhere quiet or be grumpy..(read my posts/joking..:laugh:...)..but yeah, I do think that whatever the reaction/if they're down with the kids like Denise, the media will paint it as negatively and then that obviously gives us loads to 'discuss'...LOL...


Oh sorry Ammi missed that bit, loads to discuss this year for sure!

[Ammi]

..I don't think any housemates whether celebrities or civilian are often the 'norm' in that they're specifically chosen because of more extremes in their personalities and the hope of an 'interesting' house...we don't comparatively have that many 'norms'...

[Ammi]

Oh sorry Ammi missed that bit, loads to discuss this year for sure!

...LOL, I was joking but yeah it has certainly kept us all on our toes this year...

[joeysteele]

When jim vindictively banged the cups and for some reason sprayed deodorant :crazy: it was before the alarms, not tired then was he?

Well that is what he should do everytime it happens, it is what I would do if someone stopped me getting my sleep.
I did it when I was at Uni, I was alseep, my housemates came in at 3 am and woke me up with noise and loud voices.

So I got up at 6.30 am and started clashing things about and played music they didn't like,rather loudly.
They got the message.

I would like to see Jim do more of that actually in the house although what he did in youe post was unlikely to be making that much noise, I would have been opening and shutting drawers and banging doors likely.

[Kizzy]

That was brilliant, a bit of tit for tat, I don't think there are any alarms this year not heard one yet or nothing mentioned on the twitter feed, BB going easy on them :nono:

Tit for tat?... How selfish!
He gets kept awake by luisa and dappy so in the morning he wakes up suprisingly early for someone who had such a bad night and attempts to disturb EVERYONE.... Why did he do that, what had liz, sam or ollie done to upset him?

[joeysteele]

Tit for tat?... How selfish!
He gets kept awake by luisa and dappy so in the morning he wakes up suprisingly early for someone who had such a bad night and attempts to disturb EVERYONE.... Why did he do that, what had liz, sam or ollie done to upset him?

Some people are like that though Kizzy to be fair, I for instance cannot sleep past 6.30 am, I wake up no matter what sleep I have had but I do usually need at least 6 hours solid sleep.

I cannot stay in bed once awake and I have since being about 13 woke at 6.30 am, I don't even need an alarm clock.
I couldn't go back to sleep then.

[MTVN]

I am the same, I never fail to wake up at 10.30 am no matter what

[Kizzy]

..I don't think any housemates whether celebrities or civilian are often the 'norm' in that they're specifically chosen because of more extremes in their personalities and the hope of an 'interesting' house...we don't comparatively have that many 'norms'...

Just because entertainers are shown to be gregarious or funny as a public persona, doesn't naturally follow they will be like that in private or 24/7 does it?

[Lee.]

I'd have done exactly the same as Jim with regards to making a noise in the morning. I used to live in a flat and the couple upstairs were inconsiderate arseholes and they'd think nothing of coming home at 3am with a gang if party people, playing their music really loud and dancing on their extensive wooden floors in their stilettos! It have me great pleasure to get up with my little un at 7am and let her run and shout as much as she wanted.. I'd also fling in Guns n Roses greatest hits for good measure.
I'm not a vengeful person but I'm afraid when it comes to losing sleep because of other people's selfishness, they deserve a bit of their own medicine.

[joeysteele]

I am the same, I never fail to wake up at 10.30 am no matter what

:joker:Good one MTVN. except when ill I don't think I have ever been in bed at 10.30am.

I love that post.:joker:

[Ammi]

..I think they're often more chosen for their 'controversial' personal lives and opinions though unless they are reality TV celebrities where their entertainment and personal lives merge...BB try to 'clash' people who they don't think will get on and that tends to be the more extreme of personality...sometimes it works and sometimes surprising friendships are formed...

[Cherie]

I'd have done exactly the same as Jim with regards to making a noise in the morning. I used to live in a flat and the couple upstairs were inconsiderate arseholes and they'd think nothing of coming home at 3am with a gang if party people, playing their music really loud and dancing on their extensive wooden floors in their stilettos! It have me great pleasure to get up with my little un at 7am and let her run and shout as much as she wanted.. I'd also fling in Guns n Roses greatest hits for good measure.
I'm not a vengeful person but I'm afraid when it comes to losing sleep because of other people's selfishness, they deserve a bit of their own medicine.


Agree. I would have done the same in his situation, he was a bit half hearted anyway he should have got up and started screaming.:joker:

[Cherie]

Tit for tat?... How selfish!
He gets kept awake by luisa and dappy so in the morning he wakes up suprisingly early for someone who had such a bad night and attempts to disturb EVERYONE.... Why did he do that, what had liz, sam or ollie done to upset him?

He was a bit half hearted about it Kizzy, and yeah I wake up at 6.30 even on a Saturday due to the alarm going off at that time Monday to Friday so I think you body clock adjusts or something :shrug:

[Kizzy]

Some people are like that though Kizzy to be fair, I for instance cannot sleep past 6.30 am, I wake up no matter what sleep I have had but I do usually need at least 6 hours solid sleep.

I cannot stay in bed once awake and I have since being about 13 woke at 6.30 am, I don't even need an alarm clock.
I couldn't go back to sleep then.

Conversely there might be a few night owls in there who can't switch off as easy and sleep?
When thrown together you have to make compromises.

[Ammi]

..it is true about the sleeping patterns and of course it's difficult to cope without enough sleep but then none of us would choose to go into the BB house though would we and if we had taken a big fee for doing so, then to some extend then we've been 'paid' for our lack of sleep and that's the difference ...to me it's more that older people can't really win in that situation because there's been criticism also of other older housemates being 'down with the kids' and 'inappropriate'...to that extent there wouldn't have been a 'right' thing for Jim to do...

[AnnieK]

The compromise would surely be that the bedroom is left for those who want to sleep and anyone wanting to party stays in the main room

[Kizzy]

[/B]

He was a bit half hearted about it Kizzy, and yeah I wake up at 6.30 even on a Saturday due to the alarm going off at that time Monday to Friday so I think you body clock adjusts or something :shrug:

He wasn't half hearted he was being selfish, some people disturbed him so he chose to disturb everybody.
So what if that is jims natural waking up time?... he might have brekkers at 8 and move his bowels at 9 too, but this is BB and you have to allow for your routine to be altered.

[Lee.]

The compromise would surely be that the bedroom is left for those who want to sleep and anyone wanting to party stays in the main room

Exactly.. I don't know how anyone can justify disagreeing with this.

[Kizzy]

Nobody has disagreed with that lee :laugh:

[Ammi]

The compromise would surely be that the bedroom is left for those who want to sleep and anyone wanting to party stays in the main room

..I think to some extent that is what happens though, it's just that after a lively night and so many people, it doesn't really work that people just then stay silent in the bedroom following on from that because it does become an extension of their evening..that's what I've found from numerous 'lively' sleepovers with my own children and I mean when they were grown ups because it only takes one or two people who are less tired for it all to start up again as we see every time in BB...

[Ammi]

..and also tbf, if BB wanted it all to stay in the living areas then they would put some sort of pull out beds in there for the revellers or allow them to sleep on the sofas but they want all of the annoyances it all causes as well...

[Cherie]

He wasn't half hearted he was being selfish, some people disturbed him so he chose to disturb everybody.
So what if that is jims natural waking up time?... he might have brekkers at 8 and move his bowels at 9 too, but this is BB and you have to allow for your routine to be altered.

So he is selfish for trying to make noise, but those making noise at night are fun loving. The lights came on Kizzy he woke up? :shrug:

[MrWong]

He wasn't half hearted he was being selfish, some people disturbed him so he chose to disturb everybody.
So what if that is jims natural waking up time?... he might have brekkers at 8 and move his bowels at 9 too, but this is BB and you have to allow for your routine to be altered.

Good point Kizzy.

According to Jim it's only Luisa who's loud yet he disturbs everyone because of that.

[Kizzy]

So he is selfish for trying to make noise, but those making noise at night are fun loving. The lights came on Kizzy he woke up? :shrug:

Yes, for disturbing everyone as I said, the lights are on at night too most times when he's attempting to sleep?
Nobody else was asleep or suggesting they wanted to sleep apart from jim that night were they?

[Lee.]

Exactly.. I don't know how anyone can justify disagreeing with this.

Yes they have.. Not in this thread maybe and I can't remember who but I've seen the "it's big brother, the bedroom is going to be noisy" argument countless times.
I've seen BBs where eventually they do make this compromise, but it's just not happening this year for some reason.

[Cherie]

Yes, for disturbing everyone as I said, the lights are on at night too most times when he's attempting to sleep?
Nobody else was asleep or suggesting they wanted to sleep apart from jim that night were they?

He didn't suggest they stopped, it was Dappy suggested it for him and he went back in when the lights were off?

[Josy]

Ha! He used Lionel as the only person in the house who was near his own age (62 going on 90).
As Jim said when Lionel was evicted 'he was alright in small doses' so even an 82 year old man was too much for Jim to handle. I can understand his take on that, as Lionel was full of life and enthusiasm and never once complained about the young ones having fun - he joined in! :hugesmile:

Lionel did complain about the noise and the screaming.

The compromise would surely be that the bedroom is left for those who want to sleep and anyone wanting to party stays in the main room

How dare you suggest something fair like Annie :laugh:

It is the most sensible solution though that the house has plenty of rooms to stay awake in and the bedroom should be left for sleeping after a certain time and was brought up before but people that dislike Jim disagreed with that.

[Kizzy]

How dare you suggest something fair like Annie :laugh:

It is the most sensible solution though that the house has plenty of rooms to stay awake in and the bedroom should be left for sleeping after a certain time and was brought up before but people that dislike Jim disagreed with that.

Only people who dislike jim suggested that the bedroom shouldn't just be used for sleeping?

[flamingGalah!]

Yes what an awful person Jim is for wanting to get some sleep, no doubt he really wanted to punch every woman making a noise square in the face & start spouting racist & homphobic jokes, he was this close to doing it & clearly wanted to... Nasty man :joker:

[Josy]

Only people who dislike jim suggested that the bedroom shouldn't just be used for sleeping?

In the thread about Jim, yes Kizzy.

[MrWong]

Yes what an awful person Jim is for wanting to get some sleep, no doubt he really wanted to punch every woman making a noise square in the face & start spouting racist & homphobic jokes, he was this close to doing it & clearly wanted to... Nasty man :joker:

Not quite. He just wanted to blame the woman.

[Seraphim]

He wasn't half hearted he was being selfish, some people disturbed him so he chose to disturb everybody.
So what if that is jims natural waking up time?... he might have brekkers at 8 and move his bowels at 9 too, but this is BB and you have to allow for your routine to be altered.

It was very light in that room, so people would have been waking up anyway, especially while as he was just about to get up anyway. I thought he did it for the cameras and out of mischief - he was in a better mood and had a little smile on his face. I thought it was rather amusing, though not as amusing as Luisa squealing "It's the grim reaper", lol.

BTW - I don't think wanting to stay up late and party is anything to do with age. Some people are owls. Others are better in the morning. Jim probably wasn't the only person who wanted to go to bed. No-one wants to be a party pooper, and that includes Jim. I'm a party animal myself, and an owl, but if someone needs to get to bed, I'd vacate their bedroom and have fun elsewhere. Otherwise, I'm being selfish, arrogant and anti-social. How is that fun?

[Kizzy]

[/B]
He didn't suggest they stopped, it was Dappy suggested it for him and he went back in when the lights were off?

Yes the lights went out and he shuffled in, I saw that.
Why didn't he just get in bed?

[flamingGalah!]

Not quite. He just wanted to blame the woman.

Well it was mostly Luisa screeching & shouting & then she carried on making a noise when he eventually went into the bedroom, so yeah I would say she was the one to blame...

[MrWong]

Yes the lights went out and he shuffled in, I saw that.
Why didn't he just get in bed?

Because that wouldn't illicit any sympathy.

[flamingGalah!]

Yes the lights went out and he shuffled in, I saw that.
Why didn't he just get in bed?

Because it was pitch black & when he got to his bed Luisa was still making a noise so he decided to go back out until they were all asleep but BB locked the doors...

[MrWong]

Well it was mostly Luisa screeching & shouting & then she carried on making a noise when he eventually went into the bedroom, so yeah I would say she was the one to blame...

Take off your blinkers or rewatch the episode. Dappy was just as loud.

He even admitted to screaming when he went to speak to Jim.

Oh and Sam also commented on Dappy and Luisa screaming. :douf:

[Lee.]

Let's face it, Luisa is purposely trying to wind Jim up. She's made no secret of it.

[Cherie]

Yes the lights went out and he shuffled in, I saw that.
Why didn't he just get in bed?

He shuffled in because he was coming into a dark room, Luisa was still shouting so he went to go back out but BB locked the doors :joker:

[flamingGalah!]

Take off your blinkers or rewatch the episode. Dappy was just as loud.

He even admitted to screaming when he went to speak to Jim.

Oh and Sam also commented on Dappy and Luisa screaming. :douf:

I said it was MOSTLY Luisa, I know Dappy was making noise too, but when he finally went into the bedroom, she was the only one who was still making a noise...

[MrWong]

I said it was MOSTLY Luisa, I know Dappy was making noise too, but when he finally went into the bedroom, she was the only one who was still making a noise...

That's still not true though. Dappy admitted as much and Sam commented that it was Dappy and Luisa.

[Kizzy]

In the thread about Jim, yes Kizzy.

Which thread is that please?

[flamingGalah!]

That's still not true though. Dappy admitted as much and Sam commented that it was Dappy and Luisa.

It is true, her screeching was far louder than anyone elses, yes it was both, but she carried it on long after Dappy had shut his trappy :joker:

[Kizzy]

He shuffled in because he was coming into a dark room, Luisa was still shouting so he went to go back out but BB locked the doors :joker:

Well ok... so when the door was locked why didn't he get in bed, why sit in a crumpled heap on the floor?
Come to think of it where is jims bed? I seem to remember seeing a clip of him watching luisa and jasmine messing about, is he in the bed next to luisa?

[MrWong]

It is true, her screeching was far louder than anyone elses, yes it was both, but she carried it on long after Dappy had shut his trappy :joker:

Not according to Sam. Who was there of course.

Dappy was also the one making loud sex noises when he was dry humping Luisa. Just before he went out to see Jim.

So you're wrong when you say he'd shut his trappy.

[MTVN]

But again, it's not exactly unusual or surprising for people to be more tolerant and forgiving towards their friends, who also make an effort to apologise, than towards someone who continuously goes on about how she hates him and revels in winding him up

[Munchkins]

The fact is Jim has every right to expect that people should accomodate his needs, but not when its virtually the whole house against him on this one night where they were all having fun, if it was just Luisa and Dappy etc being drunken messes then yes Jim has a point, but when it was one night where the house where all agreed, i think Jim should have just loosened up forr once

[flamingGalah!]

Not according to Sam. Who was there of course.

Dappy was also the one making loud sex noises when he was dry humping Luisa. Just before he went out to see Jim.

So you're wrong when you say he'd shut his trappy.

From what I was watching she came across as far louder & I said he had shut up when Jim WENT TO BED, Luisa was the one still going on & made Jim make a bee line to the door...

[Ammi]

But again, it's not exactly unusual or surprising for people to be more tolerant and forgiving towards their friends, who also make an effort to apologise, than towards someone who continuously goes on about how she hates him and revels in winding him up

..yep, I do agree with that..we do all have opinions on people and that's where our perspective comes from, whether we think something was purposefully said in spite or not etc...which is the same for fans etc..we all see the same thing but look at it differently...there is very rarely a definitive right or wrong, just as opinion on a situation...

[Munchkins]

And when they went to bed its not like Luisa was going to be carrying on forever lol, she was clearly going to go to sleep eventually

[flamingGalah!]

The fact is Jim has every right to expect that people should accomodate his needs, but not when its virtually the whole house against him on this one night where they were all having fun, if it was just Luisa and Dappy etc being drunken messes then yes Jim has a point, but when it was one night where the house where all agreed, i think Jim should have just loosened up forr once

But Jim didn't actually tell any of them to be quiet, he wanted to sleep so went from the bedroom, to the tree house, to indoors & it was Dappy that stirred the **** & told them all that Jim wanted them all to be quiet now as he wants to get to sleep, he was quite happy to simply wait til they had gone to slep before he went into the bedroom... He didn't make a fuss about it at all...

[Kizzy]

But again, it's not exactly unusual or surprising for people to be more tolerant and forgiving towards their friends, who also make an effort to apologise, than towards someone who continuously goes on about how she hates him and revels in winding him up

Jim is a hypocrite and dappy is a people pleaser, as said the whole house were enjoying themselves... except jim, which prompted ben to start this thread entitled 'Fun sponge jim'.

[jet]

I can, theres always been threads about dickhead HM's who wont shut up in the bedroom at night

Even before lights out? Has there been any where a HM grumps when music is played into the house in the early evening?

[jet]

Yes, for disturbing everyone as I said, the lights are on at night too most times when he's attempting to sleep?
Nobody else was asleep or suggesting they wanted to sleep apart from jim that night were they?

Once the lights go out, I think the bedroom should be out of bounds for the ones that want to party. Before that - no. If Jim chooses to go to bed before anyone else, then that is up to him and there is no point getting up and going from one place to another to make the others feel guilty and put attention on himself.
Why didn't he get his GP to prescribe sleep medication to bring if he isn't a night person? Did he think the other HM's would cease having fun whenever HE feels tired?
I think he just loves to play the victim. It's for the camera's.

[joeysteele]

You know what, I have been reading through this thread last night and again today,the conclusion I have further reached is in fact that Jim's grumpiness actually adds greatly to the entertainment value of the house.
If all that was happening was Luisa and Dappy frolicking about and everyone else ignoring that,whether they approve or not.
If Luisa was making a noise in the bedroom and getting little or no reaction from anyone.
Then that would be as tedious to watch, in my view,as just about the love triangle was.

However when Jim's grumpiness and moaning takes place, that actually increases tenfold the entertainment value of the programme and I think Jack tried to touch on that last night in his posts.
One thing is for sure, if Jim wasn't complaining and grumpy at times then not much would be being talked about on here as to what happens at night like as did last night.

This is for me, one the best CBB's there has been and Jim,in my opinion, has a really big part that he has played so far in making it that too.