I'm taking Liz to a sex party

[Benjamin]

Luisa "I'm taking Liz to a sex party"

Liz "Nobody is allowed to touch me"


:joker:

[Kate!]

I love these two :love:

[Jake.]

They both made tonights show :love:

[Cherie]

Luisa "I'm taking Liz to a sex party"

Liz "Nobody is allowed to touch me"


:joker:

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

I honestly don't think she has to worry about anyone wanting to touch her.

[Benjamin]

I honestly don't think she has to worry about anyone wanting to touch her.

:nono:

[thesheriff443]

I honestly don't think she has to worry about anyone wanting to touch her.

I don't agree.
she is a very likable person but has some issues.

[sampvt]

I wonder if Luisa has ever known love or even had a BF. Sad to see that she needs to engage in lurid sex act parties to feel wanted. She is obviously acting out some kind of dominatrix role in there but I bet deep down inside she is a very troubled young girl. I wonder if her kid knows who her dad is and what she will think of her mum when she hits school age.

[thesheriff443]

I wonder if Luisa has ever known love or even had a BF. Sad to see that she needs to engage in lurid sex act parties to feel wanted. She is obviously acting out some kind of dominatrix role in there but I bet deep down inside she is a very troubled young girl. I wonder if her kid knows who her dad is and what she will think of her mum when she hits school age.

or maybe she just likes sex.
if she is a good mother to her daughter it does not matter, after all, I bet jims kids still love him despite his past.

[Jordan.]

I wonder if Luisa has ever known love or even had a BF. Sad to see that she needs to engage in lurid sex act parties to feel wanted. She is obviously acting out some kind of dominatrix role in there but I bet deep down inside she is a very troubled young girl. I wonder if her kid knows who her dad is and what she will think of her mum when she hits school age.

I forgot you know her so well :umm2:

[alex_front2]

I wonder if Luisa has ever known love or even had a BF. Sad to see that she needs to engage in lurid sex act parties to feel wanted. She is obviously acting out some kind of dominatrix role in there but I bet deep down inside she is a very troubled young girl. I wonder if her kid knows who her dad is and what she will think of her mum when she hits school age.

A rare occasion where I agree. She's damaged and uses sex as a tool. The sort of girl who flashed her tits and dropped knickers to boys at school when lesbian kissing was no longer getting her attention. Despite her business and daughter she needs men to validate her, a sad soul.

[sampvt]

I forgot you know her so well :umm2:

I think we all know her pretty well by now. She isn't hiding anything is she. Im only frightened that when she gets out that social services might be called in. It seems she needs a doctor not a sex party.

[MarcusMel]

Luisa's Mother said, 'Don't go to your death with regrets or saying I wish I had done that'

[MrWong]

I wonder if Luisa has ever known love or even had a BF. Sad to see that she needs to engage in lurid sex act parties to feel wanted. She is obviously acting out some kind of dominatrix role in there but I bet deep down inside she is a very troubled young girl. I wonder if her kid knows who her dad is and what she will think of her mum when she hits school age.

She was married to the childs father.

Armchair psychologists slay me.

Got anything to back up your opinion that attending sex parties means that she's troubled or are you just spouting ****e?

[MrWong]

I think we all know her pretty well by now. She isn't hiding anything is she. Im only frightened that when she gets out that social services might be called in. It seems she needs a doctor not a sex party.

:facepalm:

[jegmeister]

I wonder if Luisa has ever known love or even had a BF. Sad to see that she needs to engage in lurid sex act parties to feel wanted. She is obviously acting out some kind of dominatrix role in there but I bet deep down inside she is a very troubled young girl. I wonder if her kid knows who her dad is and what she will think of her mum when she hits school age.

"deep down she is a very troubled young girl". So you're both a mind reader and a psychology expert? Maybe you should turn your attentions to the mind of that bigoted mysogonist Jim and give us your diagnosis on him?

[MrWong]

"deep down she is a very troubled young girl". So you're both a mind reader and a psychology expert? Maybe you should turn your attentions to the mind of that bigoted mysogonist Jim and give is your diagnosis on him?

:douf:

[*mazedsalv**]

I think we all know her pretty well by now. She isn't hiding anything is she. Im only frightened that when she gets out that social services might be called in. It seems she needs a doctor not a sex party.

Social services... :joker: :laugh3:

[Kate!]

She's separated from her hubby, Oliver Zissmann, after he cheated on her although the pair remain friends and Oliver's new partner works for Luisa in her bakery.

[Lee.]

or maybe she just likes sex.
if she is a good mother to her daughter it does not matter, after all, I bet jims kids still love him despite his past.

Don't most people like sex ?? The difference is decent people and good mothers don't feel the need to act like a complete slut on and boast about how loose they are.
There will definitely come a time where that child will be made fun of at school for how her mum acted on television.

[thesheriff443]

Don't most people like sex ?? The difference is decent people and good mothers don't feel the need to act like a complete slut on and boast about how loose they are.
There will definitely come a time where that child will be made fun of at school for how her mum acted on television.

i dont agree, she will be in a private school, or if not who cares,

[sampvt]

Don't most people like sex ?? The difference is decent people and good mothers don't feel the need to act like a complete slut on and boast about how loose they are.
There will definitely come a time where that child will be made fun of at school for how her mum acted on television.

Well said but alas there are some on here that think who and what she is doing is great. Aldi must be shut today.

[Lee.]

i dont agree, she will be in a private school, or if not who cares,

... And kids at private school don't have the internet/social media? They don't pick on kids the same as they do in state schools?? :conf:

[thesheriff443]

... And kids at private school don't have the internet/social media? They don't pick on kids the same as they do in state schools?? :conf:

all kids get picked on!, most of the time for being better than the person thats picking on them.

will luisa antics in bb hurt her!, of course not.

[sampvt]

all kids get picked on!, most of the time for being better than the person thats picking on them.

will luisa antics in bb hurt her!, of course not.

Please don't have kids.

[Ammi]

Well said but alas there are some on here that think who and what she is doing is great. Aldi must be shut today.

..tbh, your posts are much more offensive than anything Luisa does because if her behaviour causes her to be called derogatory names then that's something only she has to deal with and the responsibility of her daughter is also hers, I don't think anyone in the house is any kind of role model or someone that a fan would want to base their own live styles on or any indication of them as people and that doesn't matter who we are fans of because BB chooses very 'flawed' people as housemates...and no one has any 'higher ground' over anyone else so your comments about members personally is completely offensive...

[MrWong]

Please don't have kids.

Sadly it's too late for you to take your own advice.

[sampvt]

..tbh, your posts are much more offensive than anything Luisa does because if her behaviour causes her to be called derogatory names then that's something only she has to deal with and the responsibility of her daughter is also hers, I don't think anyone in the house is any kind of role model or someone that a fan would want to base their own live styles on or any indication of them as people and that doesn't matter who we are fans of because BB chooses very 'flawed' people as housemates...and no one has any 'higher ground' over anyone else so your comments about members personally is completely offensive...

read this twice and still cant see its relevance.

[Lee.]

all kids get picked on!, most of the time for being better than the person thats picking on them.

will luisa antics in bb hurt her!, of course not.

If course they will. Do you honestly think the kid will go through school/college/uni/her career with her mum never being mentioned?? I'm pretty sure you're mum being known as a slag would hurt like hell.

[thesheriff443]

If course they will. Do you honestly think the kid will go through school/college/uni/her career with her mum never being mentioned?? I'm pretty sure you're mum being known as a slag would hurt like hell.

the thing is she is not a slag tho is she!, she is doing what men have done for years, having sex.

the thing is i dont give a flying **** what any else thinks,
she is is living her life the way she wants to live it, it may not be to your taste but i doubt she cares.

[Ammi]

read this twice and still cant see its relevance.


..I think that you're a really good poster in that you help to create lots of discussions about your favourite housemate and also about the ones you don't like...and it's fine to not like a housemate and to post about that but it's not fine to generalise others as people, who like the person you don't like ..it would be similar to me saying something like..'oh, the pubs must be shut because I can't understand why Jim's fans would like him...'..I don't think for one minute that Jim fans would necessarily imitate his behaviour in any way or even like all of it but just that they see something in him that they do like, which is no different to the fans of Luisa...it's no reflection on how anyone lives their own life because it is just how they perceive 'characters in a TV entertainment show..'....what you said in your earlier post was both personal to Luisa fans and derogatory and a complete generalisation....

[Kazanne]

9.20pm: The HMs are discussing the possibility of letters from home. Liz is concerned: "My dogs can't write, though!" #bbuklive

Gotto love Liz,lol

[Jordan.]

Sadly it's too late for you to take your own advice.

lmao

[Lee.]

the thing is she is not a slag tho is she!, she is doing what men have done for years, having sex.

the thing is i dont give a flying **** what any else thinks,
she is is living her life the way she wants to live it, it may not be to your taste but i doubt she cares.

I've been having sex for years. I've never felt the need to tell people about any of my sexual experiences, I don't attend sex parties and allow numerous men to shag me in one night, I've never tried to seek attention by acting in a sexual way or simulating sex or kissing other women. I am not a skank, she is.

[Jordan.]

I don't get how that makes her skank? She's enjoying herself and doesn't cause harm to anyone so let her get on with it.

[Munchkins]

Plus i bet her daughter will be brought up with an open attitutde to Sex, and Luisa will educate her on what she has done etc.. so its not like its going to come out of the blue to her daughter one day at school hey look what your mum did
She seems like she really loves her daughter, and on the segment on the apprentice where it showed them together they seemed to have a great relationship, and thats all that matters really

[flamingGalah!]

Don't most people like sex ?? The difference is decent people and good mothers don't feel the need to act like a complete slut on and boast about how loose they are.
There will definitely come a time where that child will be made fun of at school for how her mum acted on television.

^^^^
THIS

Everyone loves sex & some of us may even have a kinkier side, but we don't all broadcast it... If Luisa didn't have any children I wouldn't think of her actions as that bad, but when you have a child you have a moral obligation to that child & I personally think she should have a bit more respect for her child, but first needs to find a little self respect...

[Lee.]

I don't get how that makes her skank? She's enjoying herself and doesn't cause harm to anyone so let her get on with it.

The Oxford Dictionary defines the word "skank" as "a promiscuous woman". She is indeed a skank

[Z]

Plus i bet her daughter will be brought up with an open attitutde to Sex, and Luisa will educate her on what she has done etc.. so its not like its going to come out of the blue to her daughter one day at school hey look what your mum did
She seems like she really loves her daughter, and on the segment on the apprentice where it showed them together they seemed to have a great relationship, and thats all that matters really

Just playing devil's advocate here - but either Luisa has to tell her daughter at a young age all about her past or risk someone else revealing that information to her daughter in a less than pleasant way. Do you risk corrupting (can't think of a better word) your daughter at the age of, say, 11 years old by telling her all about your sexploits just so it isn't shocking if other people bring it up but cutting her childhood short, or do you hope that other kids don't know who her mother is and keep it a secret from her until you're ready to talk about it at a more appropriate age?

[Munchkins]

Just playing devil's advocate here - but either Luisa has to tell her daughter at a young age all about her past or risk someone else revealing that information to her daughter in a less than pleasant way. Do you risk corrupting (can't think of a better word) your daughter at the age of, say, 11 years old by telling her all about your sexploits just so it isn't shocking if other people bring it up but cutting her childhood short, or do you hope that other kids don't know who her mother is and keep it a secret from her until you're ready to talk about it at a more appropriate age?

I probably think its better to know off her mother than the children in the playground who could put it in a far crueler way, plus year 6, when kids are 11 is typically when sex education is all brought up etc, yes Luisas antics are going to be far more than they are taught, but its best to do that, then let the others tell her

[Lee.]

Just playing devil's advocate here - but either Luisa has to tell her daughter at a young age all about her past or risk someone else revealing that information to her daughter in a less than pleasant way. Do you risk corrupting (can't think of a better word) your daughter at the age of, say, 11 years old by telling her all about your sexploits just so it isn't shocking if other people bring it up but cutting her childhood short, or do you hope that other kids don't know who her mother is and keep it a secret from her until you're ready to talk about it at a more appropriate age?

And also risk your daughter thinking promiscuity is ok?

[Munchkins]

And also risk your daughter thinking promiscuity is ok?

But why isnt it ok? personally i never would and it does go against the morals ive been brought up with BUT if its consensual and no-ones being harmed why not sleep with many people?

[Ammi]

Just playing devil's advocate here - but either Luisa has to tell her daughter at a young age all about her past or risk someone else revealing that information to her daughter in a less than pleasant way. Do you risk corrupting (can't think of a better word) your daughter at the age of, say, 11 years old by telling her all about your sexploits just so it isn't shocking if other people bring it up but cutting her childhood short, or do you hope that other kids don't know who her mother is and keep it a secret from her until you're ready to talk about it at a more appropriate age?


..but Luisa doesn't need to reveal anything though because she already has done on National TV and that's a decision she has mad and although her daughter is not old enough to watch..(or she's been allowed/I wouldn't know..) Luisa will know that once information is out there, there is a high chance that she will find out through the media etc ...and beyond that, it's up to Luisa how she will broach it face to face with her daughter/what age etc.. but it may be something that has already been talked about because that's a parenting decision only...

[Ammi]

And also risk your daughter thinking promiscuity is ok?


..but that's to do with how it's all broached with her child and also how her daughter personally feels about things and really down to personal parenting skills which we know absolutely nothing about with Luisa and can't really judge...

[Lee.]

But why isnt it ok? personally i never would and it does go against the morals ive been brought up with BUT if its consensual and no-ones being harmed why not sleep with many people?

I suspect you'll probably want to bring your kids up in the same way your parent have brought you up? I'm not being smart.. That's a genuine question.

[Munchkins]

I suspect you'll probably want to bring your kids up in the same way your parent have brought you up? I'm not being smart.. That's a genuine question.

Oh yes of course, i'd want them to have an open attitude to sex like my mum always did, telling me what it was etc, before the school had to, so i was always ahead in that way, i think its more important to promote all the safety mainly though, because you can't exactly stop the child sleeping around i dont think, so thats the priority reallly..

[Lee.]

..but that's to do with how it's all broached with her child and also how her daughter personally feels about things and really down to personal parenting skills which we know absolutely nothing about with Luisa and can't really judge...

In my opinion, it's shocking that it will have to be broached at all.

[Munchkins]

At the age of 10/11 thats when sex education is taught in schools though, sometimes its more embarassing for kids to have a lack of knowledge, when they become the only one in a class to not know a certain sex term, or not know what this means etc, thats often more humiliating for the child, than knowing all the details
I know at my secondary school, the kids who didnt know much, always had to pretend they did etc

[Z]

I just think how awful it would be to be at school and have other kids making fun of you because your mum's slept with 5 people in one night and it's out there on YouTube for all to see. I don't know anything about my parents' sex lives either as a married couple or before I was born, nor would I want to, and I know that I'd have been devastated if I'd been at school and people knew something about my parents' sex lives that I didn't... I mean it's one thing explaining sex education to an 11 year old but it's another thing to tell them about sex parties, don't you think? Sex education is about teaching children what sex is; and I think Luisa having to explain her past to her daughter is jumping right off the diving board into the deep end, as far as sex education goes...

[flamingGalah!]

It's one thing for young school children to be taught the basics of the 'birds & the bees' but something else completely if they are taught about group sex parties & the like lol...

[MrWong]

I just think how awful it would be to be at school and have other kids making fun of you because your mum's slept with 5 people in one night and it's out there on YouTube for all to see. I don't know anything about my parents' sex lives either as a married couple or before I was born, nor would I want to, and I know that I'd have been devastated if I'd been at school and people knew something about my parents' sex lives that I didn't... I mean it's one thing explaining sex education to an 11 year old but it's another thing to tell them about sex parties, don't you think? Sex education is about teaching children what sex is; and I think Luisa having to explain her past to her daughter is jumping right off the diving board into the deep end, as far as sex education goes...

The name calling would probably come from the children who's parents do the same thing. Name calling her a slag, *****, slut etc.. That type of judgemental bahaviour is learned.

[Munchkins]

Plus would they actually make fun of her?? ive never seen other peoples parents even been brought up once, as an argument etc
The whole arguments just relying on hypotheticals completely, so theres no real point to it

[Lee.]

At the age of 10/11 thats when sex education is taught in schools though, sometimes its more embarassing for kids to have a lack of knowledge, when they become the only one in a class to not know a certain sex term, or not know what this means etc, thats often more humiliating for the child, than knowing all the details
I know at my secondary school, the kids who didnt know much, always had to pretend they did etc

I'm all for informative sex education.. My daughter started hers last year when she was 8/9.. Some conversations we had about it were slightly amusing and cringey though. She came home shouting "I know what you did!! There was no little egg that just grew in your tummy" :laugh:

Anyhow.. I'm not really meaning luisas daughter being educated about sex.. That's normal; I'm talking about either her mum or some nasty little kids having to tell her that her mum enjoys sleeping around with both men and women and obviously does so without any emotions or feelings towards the men/women.

[Lee.]

I just think how awful it would be to be at school and have other kids making fun of you because your mum's slept with 5 people in one night and it's out there on YouTube for all to see. I don't know anything about my parents' sex lives either as a married couple or before I was born, nor would I want to, and I know that I'd have been devastated if I'd been at school and people knew something about my parents' sex lives that I didn't... I mean it's one thing explaining sex education to an 11 year old but it's another thing to tell them about sex parties, don't you think? Sex education is about teaching children what sex is; and I think Luisa having to explain her past to her daughter is jumping right off the diving board into the deep end, as far as sex education goes...

Well put Greg.

[Z]

The name calling would probably come from the children who's parents do the same thing. Name calling her a slag, *****, slut etc.. That type of judgemental bahaviour is learned.

Possibly, but I think a huge part of being 11-14 years old is asserting yourself over other people which is why there's a lot of bullying at that age in schools, because people will look for any reason to make others feel excluded in order to validate their own inclusivity in a particular group - easy targets are always the kids who look different (weight, height, appearance based things like braces, glasses, hair colour, an unusual feature etc) and as they get closer to 14 years old the insults get more cocky and based around sex ("your mum's a ____" type comments) so I'd say any child of a celebrity behaving badly is at risk of being bullied at that age; because if there's documented evidence of their behaviour then it can be used against those children. It's why I think Dappy, Lee and Luisa are all terrible role models to their children.

[Jordan.]

Plus would they actually make fun of her?? ive never seen other peoples parents even been brought up once, as an argument etc
The whole arguments just relying on hypotheticals completely, so theres no real point to it

What someone elses mum said on a reality TV show years ago will clearly be on all their minds.

[Munchkins]

I'm all for informative sex education.. My daughter started hers last year when she was 8/9.. Some conversations we had about it were slightly amusing and cringey though. She came home shouting "I know what you did!! There was no little egg that just grew in your tummy" :laugh:

Anyhow.. I'm not really meaning luisas daughter being educated about sex.. That's normal; I'm talking about either her mum or some nasty little kids having to tell her that her mum enjoys sleeping around with both men and women and obviously does so without any emotions or feelings towards the men/women.

When my mum told me everything i still assumed the baby come out of the bellybutton :facepalm:

[Lee.]

When my mum told me everything i still assumed the baby come out of the bellybutton :facepalm:

Yes, so did my daughter.. Although I didn't totally make it up as I had 2 c-sections :laugh:

She was appalled to learn where she had come from!! Lol

[Ammi]

I just think how awful it would be to be at school and have other kids making fun of you because your mum's slept with 5 people in one night and it's out there on YouTube for all to see. I don't know anything about my parents' sex lives either as a married couple or before I was born, nor would I want to, and I know that I'd have been devastated if I'd been at school and people knew something about my parents' sex lives that I didn't... I mean it's one thing explaining sex education to an 11 year old but it's another thing to tell them about sex parties, don't you think? Sex education is about teaching children what sex is; and I think Luisa having to explain her past to her daughter is jumping right off the diving board into the deep end, as far as sex education goes...

..yeah but some people would die on the spot if their parents ever mentioned sex, let alone in reference to their own sex lives because they would probably rather think that their parents had never had sex...I know that's an exaggeration but you know what I mean..and that's fine too because everyone is different and I think sex in general can be a very 'sensitive' thing to talk about because it is so personal ..but others are totally open about it in every way and even with their children and whether we think that's the right thing to be or not, it doesn't make it right or wrong to do it, just that we wouldn't personally do...on the flipside and slightly off topic, it can be just as unimaginable to think that your child would have sex because they're your child, you wouldn't even want to think that and I personally don't want to know any details about my sons' sex lives but that's fine because they don't want to discuss it either..but if they wanted to talk to me about it, I would listen and not judge them for it..(just give my thoughts about stuff..) but inevitably they are them and not me and have to be themselves, not an extension of me or live the same life that I live...and I do know of other parents whose children discuss details of their sex life with them because that's just what they do, everyone is different... Luisa is a mother, yes but she's also a woman and a person in her own right and her sex life is completely up to her and how she discusses that with her daughter is completely up to her as well...just like with what people said about Jim, it's discussing things in the house, which is how people personally judge her sexual activities that she's mentioned but beyond that and any effects on her daughter are just speculation so there isn't anything to judge anyway...

[Jack_]

Actually more open and liberal attitudes to sex solves more problems than it creates, it's this 'ooh we mustn't talk about that, just tell them the basics' bullsh*t attitude that leaves kids ignorant and unaware of some of the more colourful aspects of sexuality and so they go searching online for it instead, and we all know what some people think of that (:rolleyes:). Kids are intuitive and they will find out what they want to, so perhaps it's best we start teaching them everything before they learn it from porn and then feel too scared to ask the people that are really important in their lives about how to remain safe...

Also I really think lying the blame of bullying at the feet of the parents for saying something regarding their sex lives is so wrong, that's vindicating the bullies - they're the ones with the problems and are the people that need to be addressed. You can't just shy away from things and go 'oh well we best not say or do this because they might be bullied', no ****** that, the way you combat bullying is by normalising things so that they can't be outcasted and picked on, and the more things like this are talked about, the more normal they become

[Z]

What someone elses mum said on a reality TV show years ago will clearly be on all their minds.

Chances are somebody will know that Luisa is vaguely famous, if not the kids themselves then their parents may well be Big Brother viewers and somebody would say something it'd somehow all come out. It's a very likely scenario. Somebody might Google "Luisa Zissman", people will likely know about her businesses if her daughter ever mentions it, there are so many ways somebody might stumble across the videos where Luisa's sex life is discussed.

[Jake.]

It's not like Luisa's daughter is going to grow up with people from the age of, say, my generation, who have watched The Apprentice and this years CBB. I really cannot see kids (who right now are the age of three) bringing up Luisa's comments infront of her daughter and bullying her for it, if anything her daughter will probably just be known as the girl with the 'famous' mum.

[Lee.]

Actually more open and liberal attitudes to sex solves more problems than it creates, it's this 'ooh we mustn't talk about that, just tell them the basics' bullsh*t attitude that leaves kids ignorant and unaware of some of the more colourful aspects of sexuality and so they go searching online for it instead, and we all know what some people think of that (:rolleyes:). Kids are intuitive and they will find out what they want to, so perhaps it's best we start teaching them everything before they learn it from porn and then feel too scared to ask the people that are really important in their lives about how to remain safe...

Also I really think lying the blame of bullying at the feet of the parents for saying something regarding their sex lives is so wrong, that's vindicating the bullies - they're the ones with the problems and are the people that need to be addressed. You can't just shy away from things and go 'oh well we best not say or do this because they might be bullied', no ****** that, the way you combat bullying is by normalising things so that they can't be outcasted and picked on, and the more things like this are talked about, the more normal they become
Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

[Lee.]

It's not like Luisa's daughter is going to grow up with people from the age of, say, my generation, who have watched The Apprentice and this years CBB. I really cannot see kids (who right now are the age of three) bringing up Luisa's comments infront of her daughter and bullying her for it, if anything her daughter will probably just be known as the girl with the 'famous' mum.

If there was no such thing as YouTube and the likes, I'd agree with you, but unfortunately having a famous mum means she WILL be googled etc.

[Kazanne]

If there was no such thing as YouTube and the likes, I'd agree with you, but unfortunately having a famous mum means she WILL be googled etc.

This^

[thesheriff443]

I've been having sex for years. I've never felt the need to tell people about any of my sexual experiences, I don't attend sex parties and allow numerous men to shag me in one night, I've never tried to seek attention by acting in a sexual way or simulating sex or kissing other women. I am not a skank, she is.

that's your opinion!.

[sampvt]

OMG reading back on some of these posts, I am glad I was brought up in the 60,s. Whats the world going to be like when the kids of today are parents themselves. This is why family virtues are a thing of the past these days judging by what I am seeing on the news and the tabloids.

[Jack_]

Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

It will change though, just as attitudes towards things like homosexuality are becoming much more open generation by generation, so will things like this. Slowly but surely people are going to realise that what other people do in their sex lives has absolutely ****ing nothing to do with anyone else and are going to adopt similar 'live and let live' attitudes, it will happen...not overnight, but I say 20/30 years and we'll be in a lot better situation than we are now, and I was going to make a post earlier actually saying I can't wait until then when the majority of people will adopt these kind of liberal beliefs and the generations that don't will have faded out :)

The more 'abnormal' issues are discussed and put into the populations conscience, the more things become normalised. That's the way you defeat bullying, by normalising abnormal issues, the less there are the less bullies have to pick on - but I really think that laying the blame at the feet of people who talk about these 'abnormal' issues is vindicating those who bully, taking a 'well we won't do that in case they get bullied' doesn't help any cause at all, because you're just proving that it is something that shouldn't be spoken about because it's not normal

The more homosexuality is brought into the public eye, the more people started to care less, the same will happen with other issues

[sampvt]

It will change though, just as attitudes towards things like homosexuality are becoming much more open generation by generation, so will things like this. Slowly but surely people are going to realise that what other people do in their sex lives has absolutely ****ing nothing to do with anyone else and are going to adopt similar 'live and let live' attitudes, it will happen...not overnight, but I say 20/30 years and we'll be in a lot better situation than we are now, and I was going to make a post earlier actually saying I can't wait until then when the majority of people will adopt these kind of liberal beliefs and the generations that don't will have faded out :)

The more 'abnormal' issues are discussed and put into the populations conscience, the more things become normalised. That's the way you defeat bullying, by normalising abnormal issues, the less there are the less bullies have to pick on - but I really think that laying the blame at the feet of people who talk about these 'abnormal' issues is vindicating those who bully, taking a 'well we won't do that in case they get bullied' doesn't help any cause at all, because you're just proving that it is something that shouldn't be spoken about because it's not normal

The more homosexuality is brought into the public eye, the more people started to care less, the same will happen with other issues

Jack, why have you decided to fly the rainbow flag on this post. Please stay on topic.

[Ammi]

..I agree that her daughter will most likely find out about everything if she doesn't know already but the assumption is that it will or could have a negative effect on her life, which isn't necessarily so, it could have no effect at all.. so it's a bit like crossing a bridge that hasn't presented itself and also, we are all 'everyday' people and not celebrities whose lives are scrutinised closely anyway by the media so there is also a good chance that they would have revealed this all anyway at some point/we can't really associate their lives to ours from that point of view..

[Jack_]

I'm glad I was brought up in the 90s/00's, an era where attitudes to homosexuality were liberalised, racism is almost a universally condemned issue, women are having careers and sexist attitudes towards them are being raised and discussed, attitudes towards sex and sexuality are somewhat more 'live and let live' than they were before. I'm sure plenty agree :)

The only thing I can actually complain about is the economy, as far as social issues go it's not been too bad

[Jack_]

Jack, why have you decided to fly the rainbow flag on this post. Please stay on topic.

Please stop baiting :)

[Jake.]

I'm glad I was brought up in the 90s/00's, an era where attitudes to homosexuality were liberalised, racism is almost a universally condemned issue, women are having careers and sexist attitudes towards them are being raised and discussed, attitudes towards sex and sexuality are somewhat more 'live and let live' than they were before. I'm sure plenty agree :)

The only thing I can actually complain about is the economy, as far as social issues go it's not been too bad

Here here.

[thesheriff443]

Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

your part of the problem, giving people who sleep around a bad name!.
your the type to point the finger.

[sampvt]

Please stop baiting :)

How the hell am I baiting. The thread has nothing at all to do with Homosexuality, its about a hetro sexual party. Please don't play that card.

[Jake.]

How the hell am I baiting. The thread has nothing at all to do with Homosexuality, its about a hetro sexual party. Please don't play that card.

He was using it as an example to put his point across.

[Jack_]

How the hell am I baiting. The thread has nothing at all to do with Homosexuality, its about a hetro sexual party. Please don't play that card.

Ever heard of making comparisons? I used the increase of liberal views on homosexuality to compare to how the same thing will eventually happen to attitudes towards sex, re-read the post please

[sampvt]

Ever heard of making comparisons? I used the increase of liberal views on homosexuality to compare to how the same thing will eventually happen to attitudes towards sex, re-read the post please

I have and you are still promoting gay issues. Not surprised but its not that relevant seeing as how gay people are very strong in principle unlike skanky women and sexual deviants.

[Lee.]

your part of the problem, giving people who sleep around a bad name!.
your the type to point the finger.

I honestly couldn't care less... I've been brought up to have respect for myself and I'll be bringing my kids up in the same way.

Regardless of what anybody thinks of me, I find somebody gobbing off about sex parties and shagging 5 men a night disgusting..

[wendywillow]

sex is bad! sex is bad! put away those dirty pillows!

luisa is doing whatever she wants, good for her, slut shaming is antiquated (or should be)

[sampvt]

Me gone, yet another post ruined by issues not related to the topic. Gonna watch the footie and look forward to noms.

[Lee.]

sex is bad! sex is bad! put away those dirty pillows!

luisa is doing whatever she wants, good for her, slut shaming is antiquated (or should be)

I don't think anybody's said sex is bad.

[thesheriff443]

I honestly couldn't care less... I've been brought up to have respect for myself and I'll be bringing my kids up in the same way.

Regardless of what anybody thinks of me, I find somebody gobbing off about sex parties and shagging 5 men a night disgusting..

she can and is doing what she likes, I don't have problem with that.

[Lee.]

she can and is doing what she likes, I don't have problem with that.

I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over it.. If she wants to make an arse of herself on national television, that's her prerogative..

My opinions on promiscuity are not going to change though.

[CaudleHalbard]

I wonder what the employees in her vast business empire will think of her. Will they have more or less respect for her after her appearance on the show? ;)

[Jake.]

Doubt they'd care as long as they get paid

[sampvt]

Doubt they'd care as long as they get paid

Fortunately the main players in the world of commerce are a little less tolerant of the things she portrays. However what business does she have, its a glorified sandwich shop isn't it. Hardly anything to be worried about. Whats the betting that she has plans to open some sordid sex emporium when bb is over and this show is just a springboard for her future plans. She certainly isn't the same person that was on the apprentice.

[wendywillow]

come on, sampvt, you grew up in the swinging '60's-'70's, I thought you'd more liberal in these things (-:

[CaudleHalbard]

Whats the betting that she has plans to open some sordid sex emporium when bb is over and this show is just a springboard for her future plans.

You could be onto something there. Lol! ;)

She may want to be an Ann Summers rival!

[Munchkins]

Fortunately the main players in the world of commerce are a little less tolerant of the things she portrays. However what business does she have, its a glorified sandwich shop isn't it. Hardly anything to be worried about. Whats the betting that she has plans to open some sordid sex emporium when bb is over and this show is just a springboard for her future plans. She certainly isn't the same person that was on the apprentice.

In terms of betting probably 100/1

[CaudleHalbard]

Oh I'd say lower odds than that: 20/1?

She does talk a lot about sex. Normally I'd say the more people talk about it the less they actually do it, but in Luisa's case the could be an entrepreneurial element to it! ;)

[optimisticcynic]

Actually more open and liberal attitudes to sex solves more problems than it creates, it's this 'ooh we mustn't talk about that, just tell them the basics' bullsh*t attitude that leaves kids ignorant and unaware of some of the more colourful aspects of sexuality and so they go searching online for it instead, and we all know what some people think of that (:rolleyes:). Kids are intuitive and they will find out what they want to, so perhaps it's best we start teaching them everything before they learn it from porn and then feel too scared to ask the people that are really important in their lives about how to remain safe...

Also I really think lying the blame of bullying at the feet of the parents for saying something regarding their sex lives is so wrong, that's vindicating the bullies - they're the ones with the problems and are the people that need to be addressed. You can't just shy away from things and go 'oh well we best not say or do this because they might be bullied', no ****** that, the way you combat bullying is by normalising things so that they can't be outcasted and picked on, and the more things like this are talked about, the more normal they become

I don't want to normalise sex parties with multiple partners and an absence of any emotional connection, because if that becomes the centre of the bell curve what in God's great name becomes the new activity that is one or two standard deviations away, but is accepted as personal choice.

[wendywillow]

I don't want to normalise sex parties with multiple partners and an absence of any emotional connection

you could have both, ya know

[optimisticcynic]

you could have both, ya know

Very kind of you to offer but my back's playing up. I accept Luisa can do as she likes, but I don't have to approve of her choice. Two separate issues, and for those that disagree, how many of you would drive your 16year old daughter/sister to a stranger's house for a sex party with various strangers, drive home and sleep like a baby, looking forward to hearing of her exploits over breakfast if/when she makes it back? If not, why not?

[wendywillow]

Very kind of you to offer but my back's playing up.

tease

[Lee.]

Very kind of you to offer but my back's playing up. I accept Luisa can do as she likes, but I don't have to approve of her choice. Two separate issues, and for those that disagree, how many of you would drive your 16year old daughter/sister to a stranger's house for a sex party with various strangers, drive home and sleep like a baby, looking forward to hearing of her exploits over breakfast if/when she makes it back? If not, why not?

Of course not.. Nobody would be fine with that.

[Munchkins]

That is such an illogical question, pretty sure Luisa drives herself to these parties, and i doubt she was involved in them at 16

[smeagol]

poor liz hope she dont pop around luisas for coffee she will end up on all fours being dp'd by fat old men with cheesy willies lol


i cant imagine luisa getting involved in a sex party she is too controlling she wasn't exactly comfortable kissing jasmine and seems to run from dappy
just dont see it. more than likely shes just runs them for cash and is basically a madam of the house.

[Rob!]

I wondered how this thread had managed to get to so many pages :joker:

[Northern Monkey]

Luisa is in control her own body and her own reputation,It's up to her how she chooses to use them.If she wants to let 5 men in a night in,It's up to her but if it's made public then she can hardly complain when people express their differing views on it. ;)

[reece(:]

The jealousy of not being invited to Luisa's sex parties is undeniable

[optimisticcynic]

That is such an illogical question, pretty sure Luisa drives herself to these parties, and i doubt she was involved in them at 16

Sorry Spock :hugesmile:, but I was alluding to Luisa fans suggesting her behaviour is the norm and will have no impact on her child, and anyone that questions it is antiquated, and it will be the fault of their bigotry that her child may in the future be bullied. I was wondering how many of them would practice this open-mindedness with their own flesh and blood.

Her private life is her own business but she is clearly intent on making this public, with hopefully no consideration of how this might impact on her child in her developmental years.

[the truth]

louisa is all talk theres no way she will lick out liz's wheelbarrow

[optimisticcynic]

Luisa is in control her own body and her own reputation,It's up to her how she chooses to use them.If she wants to let 5 men in a night in,It's up to her but if it's made public then she can hardly complain when people express their differing views on it. ;)

Beat me to it!

[Benjamin]

louisa is all talk theres no way she will lick out liz's wheelbarrow

wat

[chuff me dizzy]

The Oxford Dictionary defines the word "skank" as "a promiscuous woman". She is indeed a skank

Agree 100%

[chuff me dizzy]

To say Im shocked by some of the comments in this thread is the understatement of the year, no wonder we have so many teen mothers living on benefits in the Uk, A good parent raises their children to respect themselves and to have pride in themselves, not to lay down with anything that has a pulse, Luisa,s sex talk makes me want to vomit, God help her little girl

[Slevin]

..I think that you're a really good poster in that you help to create lots of discussions about your favourite housemate and also about the ones you don't like...and it's fine to not like a housemate and to post about that but it's not fine to generalise others as people, who like the person you don't like ..it would be similar to me saying something like..'oh, the pubs must be shut because I can't understand why Jim's fans would like him...'..I don't think for one minute that Jim fans would necessarily imitate his behaviour in any way or even like all of it but just that they see something in him that they do like, which is no different to the fans of Luisa...it's no reflection on how anyone lives their own life because it is just how they perceive 'characters in a TV entertainment show..'....what you said in your earlier post was both personal to Luisa fans and derogatory and a complete generalisation....
:thumbs:

[thesheriff443]

To say Im shocked by some of the comments in this thread is the understatement of the year, no wonder we have so many teen mothers living on benefits in the Uk, A good parent raises their children to respect themselves and to have pride in themselves, not to lay down with anything that has a pulse, Luisa,s sex talk makes me want to vomit, God help her little girl

you can be a great parent, and your child can turn out to be a serial killer!
its like saying if two men adopt a child it will turn out gay.

people need to stop trying to gain favor by saying she is a bad mother.
and to blame he actions for rise in teen pregnancies is the biggest load of crap I have heard in a long time.

[chuff me dizzy]

you can be a great parent, and your child can turn out to be a serial killer!
its like saying if two men adopt a child it will turn out gay.

people need to stop trying to gain favor by saying she is a bad mother.
and to blame he actions for rise in teen pregnancies is the biggest load of crap I have heard in a long time.

I am a Mother, No way I would defend my child on Tv if she telling the world and his dog that shes a dirty skank, what example is she to her child ? None, shes a disgrace, her parents need to hang their heads in shame at what they have reared

[Josy]

To say Im shocked by some of the comments in this thread is the understatement of the year, no wonder we have so many teen mothers living on benefits in the Uk, A good parent raises their children to respect themselves and to have pride in themselves, not to lay down with anything that has a pulse, Luisa,s sex talk makes me want to vomit, God help her little girl

Have I missed something? what does good parenting have to do with teen mothers on benefits? someone can be a fantastic parent but still have the misfortune to lose their job and have to rely on benefits to get by.

Saying that I really don't get what that has to do with Luisa being promiscuous or attending sex parties.

I really don't see why the benefits thing got brought into this thread :huh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Have I missed something? what does good parenting have to do with teen mothers on benefits? someone can be a fantastic parent but still have the misfortune to lose their job and have to rely on benefits to get by.

Saying that I really don't get what that has to do with Luisa being promiscuous or attending sex parties.

I really don't see why the benefits thing got brought into this thread :huh:

I think theres a bit of nit picking on what I said here Josy ,MY BELIEF is kids dragged up are more likely to turn into Vicky Pollard then girls brought up to respect themselves,and to not treat sex as a hobby ,and even worse tell the world on national tv of the kinky sex sessions some on here class as normal,each to their own,but listening to a skank talk filth is not my idea of entertainment

[Josy]

I think theres a bit of nit picking on what I said here Josy ,MY BELIEF is kids dragged up are more likely to turn into Vicky Pollard then girls brought up to respect themselves,and to not treat sex as a hobby ,and even worse tell the world on national tv of the kinky sex sessions some on here class as normal,each to their own,but listening to a skank talk filth is not my idea of entertainment

Not nit picking at all I just don't see any relevance to this thread and your comment about single mothers on benefits?

[chuff me dizzy]

Not nit picking at all I just don't see any relevance to this thread and your comment about single mothers on benefits?

We will agree to disagree Josy

[Josy]

We will agree to disagree Josy

I'm actually not even disagreeing with you, I don't understand the relevance of your comment.

[Slevin]

even some great parents kids turned out to be ****e. sometimes its not on the parents.