Sexism from Luisa and Liz

[Josy]

Since everyone's always going on about certain hm's being sexist, I'm surprised no one has made this thread already...

During the task when Linda was eating dog food why did Luisa say Jim or Ollie should be doing that instead? why just the two guys?

During Liz's interview she said to Emma no man should call a woman a name, why not say no one should call anyone names, is it ok for a woman to call a man names then?

Discuss :idc:

[Vanessa]

Since everyone's always going on about certain hm's being sexist, I'm surprised no one has made this thread already...

During the task when Linda was eating dog food why did Luisa say Jim or Ollie should be doing that instead? why just the two guys?

During Liz's interview she said to Emma no man should call a woman a name, why not say no one should call anyone names, is it ok for a woman to call a man names then?

Discuss :idc:

It really annoyed me. According to Liz only women can call men names. :bored:

[InOne]

I'm not sure if they're typical of feminists but I've noticed they want things both ways. Basically whichever situation makes the woman come out looking better.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf everyone has some sexist views that they themselves probably don't realize, but with certain HM's they have prejudices all over the place so of course they're gonna get attacked for it.

[coolface]

I like liz but that was clearly sexist from her

[Kazanne]

Linda called Jim a ****** and nothing was said ,Jim calls Linda a miserable git and he's the bad one,LOL,LOL

[Heaven = Winner]

Tbh, I was so upset seeing Liz go to even care what she said. It probably was sexist, but ehh.

[Me. I Am Salman]

You're getting mixed up with common courtesy and sexism. Linda is an elderly woman the men definitely should have put themselves forward.

Anyone who calls that sexism is simply clutching at straws. Is it sexist to open a door for a woman? Pretty sure 100% of people on this forum said in a poll the other day it's not

[Jack_]

I picked up on and wasn't happy with the Liz comment either

[Kazanne]

You're getting mixed up with common courtesy and sexism. Linda is an elderly woman the men definitely should have put themselves forward.

Anyone who calls that sexism is simply clutching at straws. Is it sexist to open a door for a woman? Pretty sure 100% of people on this forum said in a poll the other day it's not

Now your being ageist,she's not an elderly woman at all,she's not an invalid,Jim had already done one so why shouldn't she do one or whoever else was with them

[Josy]

You're getting mixed up with common courtesy and sexism. Linda is an elderly woman the men definitely should have put themselves forward.

Anyone who calls that sexism is simply clutching at straws. Is it sexist to open a door for a woman? Pretty sure 100% of people on this forum said in a poll the other day it's not

What has age got to do with it plus Jim is older than Linda :huh:

It wasn't about opening a door not sure where your going with that, Liz said it's not ok for a man to call a woman a name if it wasn't sexism she would have said its not ok for anyone to call someone else a name regardless of gender.

Who's straw clutching here :idc:

[Heaven = Winner]

To be fair, Liz may have just said the wrong thing. She might not have tried to convey notions of sexism.

[Amy Jade]

You're getting mixed up with common courtesy and sexism. Linda is an elderly woman the men definitely should have put themselves forward.

Anyone who calls that sexism is simply clutching at straws. Is it sexist to open a door for a woman? Pretty sure 100% of people on this forum said in a poll the other day it's not
this.

If it was sexism from Luisa she would have said any of the guys not just those two. She was just thinking of people who would have probably coped better than Linda. Reading too much into that comment I think.

[Brother Leon]

It's hypocrisy more than anything. Luisa can't say Dappy thinks men and women aren't equal and get in a row over it and then say stuff like a man should do the eating task or "why are you talking to me like this? I am a woman"

Hypocrisy more than Sexism I think.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I picked up on and wasn't happy with the Liz comment either

Seriously Jack? Fair enough I understand why some people may find what Linda said a bit sexist even if I don't agree but the Liz thing is a million billion percent not sexist, I cannot comprehend people in here :/ it's just courtesy

[Josy]

this.

If it was sexism from Luisa she would have said any of the guys not just those two. She was just thinking of people who would have probably coped better than Linda. Reading too much into that comment I think.

Ollie and Jim were the only guys in that part of the task, Why wouldn't Liz have coped with the task? :think:

[Amy Jade]

Ollie and Jim were the only guys in that part of the task, Why wouldn't Liz have coped with the task? :think:
Would you have nominated Liz to do it over somebody like Ollie who is up for anything and Jim who is a good team player?

[rusticgal]

Since everyone's always going on about certain hm's being sexist, I'm surprised no one has made this thread already...

During the task when Linda was eating dog food why did Luisa say Jim or Ollie should be doing that instead? why just the two guys?

During Liz's interview she said to Emma no man should call a woman a name, why not say no one should call anyone names, is it ok for a woman to call a man names then?

Discuss :idc:

You are absolutely right Josy... I could also point out that on two occasions Liz said she would physically attack people... Once to Evander in defence of her horse and the second time when asked something in the diary room.
So if JIm or Dappy or any other male made that comment to a female for WHATEVER reason....this forum would have gone mad... It is sexism.

[Josy]

Would you have nominated Liz to do it over somebody like Ollie who is up for anything and Jim who is a good team player?

No I would have let Linda do it since she offered.

My point was there was no other guys available to do it so your previous argument never made any sense and if it wasn't being sexist then why couldn't she have said Liz too.

No denying this one I'm afraid, complete sexism from Luisa that was...

[Josy]

You are absolutely right Josy... I could also point out that on two occasions Liz said she would physically attack people... Once to Evander in defence of her horse and the second time when asked something in the diary room.
So if JIm or Dappy or any other male made that comment to a female for WHATEVER reason....this forum would have gone mad... It is sexism.

That's true. Good point.

[Amy Jade]

No I would have let Linda do it since she offered.

My point was there was no other guys available to do it so your previous argument never made any sense and if it wasn't being sexist then why couldn't she have said Liz too.

No denying this one I'm afraid, complete sexism from Luisa that was...
I took it that she was saying a stronger stomached member of the group would have been a better because Liz has phobias, Linda is quite old and as I stated before Ollie and Jim are nice guys who would probably take the hit for her. I'd have eaten it if I was in a house and they asked an older member to do it. If she had said 'a man should have done that' I'd understand what you're saying tbh but not this way.

[Jack_]

Seriously Jack? Fair enough I understand why some people may find what Linda said a bit sexist even if I don't agree but the Liz thing is a million billion percent not sexist, I cannot comprehend people in here :/ it's just courtesy

I like Liz and Linda but I'm sorry Salman their comments were quite sexist, now don't get me wrong I'm not one of these that likes to bring misandry into the equation every time genuine instances of misogyny arise in an attempt to deflect attention away from the real problem in some petty kind of tit-for-tat exchange, or pretend that female-to-male sexism is as much as a problem as its antithesis because it definitely isn't, but across the board there are preordained beliefs and ideas about men and women and the way in which they should conduct themselves that are inherently sexist

Whether it's the idea that women should do domestic tasks like ironing and cleaning, or telling guys that dare to show any emotion to 'man up' - these beliefs are unequal in nature and only further concepts of masculinity and femininity, which isn't helpful to society at all, boundaries between men and women are becoming increasingly blurred and that's a good thing, we don't want that to be slowed down

[Me. I Am Salman]

What has age got to do with it plus Jim is older than Linda :huh:

It wasn't about opening a door not sure where your going with that, Liz said it's not ok for a man to call a woman a name if it wasn't sexism she would have said its not ok for anyone to call someone else a name regardless of gender.

Who's straw clutching here :idc:

Age is a factor, I doubt she would have said anything say if it was Casey. I don't really have to explain myself if you're a man and you let an elderly woman eat dog food instead of you than you're quite simply a twat. Please don't act like this is so outrageous and unheard of because you know it isn't.

Regarding what Liz said, it's a saying millions of people say with no intention of being sexist because it's just manners. She didn't mean it's okay to swear at men she just meant it's especially worse for a man to do it to a woman, which it is. Are the people who give up their seats to women being sexist too? No. It's just a traditional value in this country

[Josy]

Age is a factor, I doubt she would have said anything say if it was Casey. I don't really have to explain myself if you're a man and you let an elderly woman eat dog food instead of you than you're quite simply a twat. Please don't act like this is so outrageous and unheard of because you know it isn't.

Regarding what Liz said, it's a saying millions of people say with no intention of being sexist because it's just manners. She didn't mean it's okay to swear at men she just meant it's especially worse for a man to do it to a woman, which it is. Are the people who give up their seats to women being sexist too? No. It's just a traditional value in this country

None of them even knew what the task was? and I'm not acting like anything I was pointing out the hypocrisy of certain housemates being accused of being sexist but when others make questionable comments it gets brushed under the carpet.

With the second part of your post you are again going off on a tangent, of course a man giving up his seat for a woman is seen as manners or traditional but it's also seen by others as patronising, regardless of that it's a completely different scenario from calling someone names.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I like Liz and Linda but I'm sorry Salman their comments were quite sexist, now don't get me wrong I'm not one of these that likes to bring misandry into the equation every time genuine instances of misogyny arise in an attempt to deflect attention away from the real problem in some petty kind of tit-for-tat exchange, or pretend that female-to-male sexism is as much as a problem as its antithesis because it definitely isn't, but across the board there are preordained beliefs and ideas about men and women and the way in which they should conduct themselves that are inherently sexist

Whether it's the idea that women should do domestic tasks like ironing and cleaning, or telling guys that dare to show any emotion to 'man up' - these beliefs are unequal in nature and only further concepts of masculinity and femininity, which isn't helpful to society at all, boundaries between men and women are becoming increasingly blurred and that's a good thing, we don't want that to be slowed down

We should be looking at the real issues in society like the pay gap in order to combat sexism, I hardly think telling men to just be more well mannered in front of women is a big issue. But even if if is a problem it wasn't in Liz's nature to be sexist so she shouldn't be painted as one, as I said it's just a common courtesy in this country.

[Me. I Am Salman]

None of them even knew what the task was? and I'm not acting like anything I was pointing out the hypocrisy of certain housemates being accused of being sexist but when others make questionable comments it gets brushed under the carpet.

With the second part of your post you are again going off on a tangent, of course a man giving up his seat for a woman is seen as manners or traditional but it's also seen by others as patronising, regardless of that it's a completely different scenario from calling someone names.

Well as I said to Jack there was no intention to be sexist, it's this country's values. If their comments were sexist then it's in a really really really indirect way so you can't put that label on them.

[Jack_]

I understand what you're saying and I think it's important to make a distinction here actually, what Liz said isn't the kind of blatant and knowing sexism where you think and truly believe the unequal views that you're saying - it's casual sexism (and this exists a hell of a lot against women) - ideas, beliefs, traditions (like you said) that exist in our every day lives that nobody really thinks about properly and we're all brought up to act that way, but all of which are, well...sexist in nature. To distinguish certain behaviours and actions as only acceptable to either men or women is unequal and that's sexism, not willing and knowing sexism yes but it's still sexist

And no of course it's not as important on that I definitely agree, there aren't enough women in politics and there's a sh*t load of revolting societal beliefs about the way in which women should behave that don't apply to men (some of which have been raised this series) amongst many other issues - like I said I'm not one of these people that cries misandry whenever feminist ideas are raised, but there are still distinctions made between male and female behaviour and the concepts of both masculinity and femininity are ones which really do need to be eradicated as soon as possible

[Bojangles]

You are absolutely right Josy... I could also point out that on two occasions Liz said she would physically attack people... Once to Evander in defence of her horse and the second time when asked something in the diary room.
So if JIm or Dappy or any other male made that comment to a female for WHATEVER reason....this forum would have gone mad... It is sexism.
Very true.

[Jake.]

Luisa said Jim should of because of the whole 'I'm not eating/drinking if they can't' bull**** that he came out with, what she said wasn't sexist at all imo.

[Seraphim]

Since everyone's always going on about certain hm's being sexist, I'm surprised no one has made this thread already...

During the task when Linda was eating dog food why did Luisa say Jim or Ollie should be doing that instead? why just the two guys?

During Liz's interview she said to Emma no man should call a woman a name, why not say no one should call anyone names, is it ok for a woman to call a man names then?

Discuss :idc:

I agree 100%. I cannot understand people having double standards. I just cringe at the vindictive diatribes which Linda spews and I think it's unacceptable for any person to behave like that towards any other person of either sex.

[optimisticcynic]

Age is a factor, I doubt she would have said anything say if it was Casey. I don't really have to explain myself if you're a man and you let an elderly woman eat dog food instead of you than you're quite simply a twat. Please don't act like this is so outrageous and unheard of because you know it isn't.

Regarding what Liz said, it's a saying millions of people say with no intention of being sexist because it's just manners. She didn't mean it's okay to swear at men she just meant it's especially worse for a man to do it to a woman, which it is. Are the people who give up their seats to women being sexist too? No. It's just a traditional value in this country

Ridiculous argument falling at every hurdle. Jim is as old as Colleen and with a history of alcohol dependence and obesity, far more likely to suffer from gastric complaints such as ulcers. Why, because he is male, should he have to do arduous tasks instead of Linda, and why must he, because he is male, HAVE to open doors or give up his seat for females - the same way you likely questioned why Jim should assume that a female would iron a male's shirts. If you will cry sexism from the rooftops, stand by your ideal as the people you preach to will not let you pick and choose.

How can you call Jim a twat for allowing a fellow contestant, who has berated him throughout the show, to take part in the show they are being paid for? The fact you mentioned her gender shows you have your own gender-biases so remember that in your future sanctimonious posts.

[optimisticcynic]

Luisa said Jim should of because of the whole 'I'm not eating/drinking if they can't' bull**** that he came out with, what she said wasn't sexist at all imo.

Luisa just hates Jim. When he puts himself out there she criticises him for being a martyr, when he doesn't she berates him for not stepping up. Luisa's and Linda's statements will inspire less discussion if it is acknowledged that they are not being critical of Jim's actions, they are just being critical of Jim.

[Me. I Am Salman]

You are absolutely right Josy... I could also point out that on two occasions Liz said she would physically attack people... Once to Evander in defence of her horse and the second time when asked something in the diary room.
So if JIm or Dappy or any other male made that comment to a female for WHATEVER reason....this forum would have gone mad... It is sexism.

Stop making assumptions of the forum which aren't true. Liz would say those comments to anyone, she's made loads of other remarks like that and we know she's not being serious, it's just a part of her personality and part of her appeal. If Ollie said that noone would take it seriously either. So cut the sexism bs. The only uproar I see happening is if Jim said it but that's only cause of his past NOTHING to do with the fact that he's a man. Now please let go of those straws

[Brother Leon]

The Liz threat of violence points is a good one tbf. It got a lot of laughs(rightfully so, it was hilarious), but if it was Evander saying that to her it may well of been a different story.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The Liz threat of violence points is a good one tbf. It got a lot of laughs(rightfully so, it was hilarious), but if it was Evander saying that to her it may well of been a different story.

No it isn't, why did you completely just ignore my post? If Evander said it would come across as a bit more violent but that's because OF HIS PERSONALITY. If there was a really big, tough woman with a similar personality it would be the same case

[optimisticcynic]

The Liz threat of violence points is a good one tbf. It got a lot of laughs(rightfully so, it was hilarious), but if it was Evander saying that to her it may well of been a different story.

Well put, Brother Leon. I'm glad noone disagrees with you.

[rusticgal]

Stop making assumptions of the forum which aren't true. Liz would say those comments to anyone, she's made loads of other remarks like that and we know she's not being serious, it's just a part of her personality and part of her appeal. If Ollie said that noone would take it seriously either. So cut the sexism bs. The only uproar I see happening is if Jim said it but that's only cause of his past NOTHING to do with the fact that he's a man. Now please let go of those straws

If Casey said she punched a horse and Jim said he would punch Casey if she punched his horse.... I can assure you there would have been furore on here... And you Salman would have been one of the first on here...it may be an assumption but many would agree.....and if you don't you are in denial.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Well put, Brother Leon. I'm glad noone disagrees with you.

embarassing attempt at trolling

If Casey said she punched a horse and Jim said he would punch Casey if she punched his horse.... I can assure you there would have been furore on here... And you Salman would have been one of the first on here...it may be an assumption but many would agree.....and if you don't you are in denial.

Yes, because of his personality. If Ollie said it I wouldn't care. Now please stop

[optimisticcynic]

embarassing attempt at trolling



Yes, because of his personality. If Ollie said it I wouldn't care. Now please stop

I quite enjoyed it, tbh. It was more a case of me highlighting the childishness of your "why is noone listening to me" post, especially when all you are doing is repeating a hollow argument with no acknowledgment of the sensible observations of fellow posters. I think Brother Leon got it right by skipping over your post and I may try this from now on.

[rusticgal]

embarassing attempt at trolling



Yes, because of his personality. If Ollie said it I wouldn't care. Now please stop

This is a forum Salman....it's a debate and a good discussion at that. You can't tell people to stop just because you don't like/agree with their opinion.
Go to another thread or press the OFF button on your device.

[Haylei]

Okay, I know that I'm probably going to get lambasted for saying this but: I don't really think that reverse sexism is a legitimate thing. I know that it may not sound fair, and it's really not, but that's just how things go.

It's basically like how saying derogatory things to white people isn't racism. I remember seeing a bunch of flyers in my old college for clubs that are specifically about one race and only allow that one race in, for just about every race except for one. If there was a club solely for white people then everyone in it would probably be deemed as racist and compared to the KKK. Is it fair? No.

The thing is though that white (men) people have never been oppressed whilst every other race has, just like how (white) men have never been oppressed like women have. Women and other races besides Caucasian are still trying to be treated as equals, and until everyone is equal can there truly be such a thing as reverse sexism and racism against whites.

I know that this is not fair, but the world is not fair. Or maybe I'm just bitter because I had to listen to 3 or 4 guys making kitchen jokes to me in one of my classes senior year for the whole year. :tongue:

Edit: actually I think I'm going to have to take that back. I forgot that this was a forum with mainly British people on it and my views are based on the US. And yeah, I don't really know much about British history or the lifestyle there in general so my views are probably wrong. My bad.

[Ammi]

Well as I said to Jack there was no intention to be sexist, it's this country's values. If their comments were sexist then it's in a really really really indirect way so you can't put that label on them.

I understand what you're saying and I think it's important to make a distinction here actually, what Liz said isn't the kind of blatant and knowing sexism where you think and truly believe the unequal views that you're saying - it's casual sexism (and this exists a hell of a lot against women) - ideas, beliefs, traditions (like you said) that exist in our every day lives that nobody really thinks about properly and we're all brought up to act that way, but all of which are, well...sexist in nature. To distinguish certain behaviours and actions as only acceptable to either men or women is unequal and that's sexism, not willing and knowing sexism yes but it's still sexist

And no of course it's not as important on that I definitely agree, there aren't enough women in politics and there's a sh*t load of revolting societal beliefs about the way in which women should behave that don't apply to men (some of which have been raised this series) amongst many other issues - like I said I'm not one of these people that cries misandry whenever feminist ideas are raised, but there are still distinctions made between male and female behaviour and the concepts of both masculinity and femininity are ones which really do need to be eradicated as soon as possible

..I agree with Jack, there may not have been any intent to be sexist but that doesn't make it 'not sexism' because it is...I think the thing is about 'intent' is if it's used as a reason/excuse etc, it starts to become complicated because it's a lot of people's thoughts that Jim is a 'product of his time/era..'...so there's no intent there either, yet he's still often sexist....but also if we're going to excuse that he 'can't help it..' in that it's just how it was when he was younger...then we have to start allowing 'excuses' for other people as well...yeah, complicated...I think that to a degree, there is often sexism in BB, which isn't always picked up on but for me it's only when it's quite blatent, that it really bothers me and the main part of that for BB in general and other series..is how females do get criticised more/called more derogatory names etc for being sexual behaviour than males....

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's impossible for women to be sexist against men because that requires prejudice and power and women have never had power, and quite frankly will never have power over men. Liz and Luisa's comments may have been biased, but their feelings can never be institutionalized in a world where being a (white, straight) man means everything. When men cry reverse sexism it's really just men not getting the privileges they're used to getting tbqh.

[letmein]

During the task when Linda was eating dog food why did Luisa say Jim or Ollie should be doing that instead? why just the two guys?


:pat:

[letmein]

It's impossible for women to be sexist against men because that requires prejudice and power and women have never had power, and quite frankly will never have power over men.

What an asinine comment. Yes, women can be sexist. Would you like me to define misandry for you? Tons of women run entire companies, and have unbelievable power. Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire. So is JK Rowling. Did you ever hear of Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, or one of the most powerful women in the world right now: Angela Merkel??! There are more women than men in the world, and they live longer.

[Cherie]

this.

If it was sexism from Luisa she would have said any of the guys not just those two. She was just thinking of people who would have probably coped better than Linda. Reading too much into that comment I think.

How could she be referring to any of the guys when Lee and Dappy were with her and were not in a position to do it. Why single out Jim and Ollie but not Sam? Double standards I'm afraid

[Me. I Am Salman]

This is a forum Salman....it's a debate and a good discussion at that. You can't tell people to stop just because you don't like/agree with their opinion.
Go to another thread or press the OFF button on your device.

the person wrote "glad no one disagrees with you" after I replied to Brother Leon which implies they were trying to piss me off, presumably because the person knew I was right and had nothing else to say. I do like debate and discussion thank you very much

[Cherie]

Luisa said Jim should of because of the whole 'I'm not eating/drinking if they can't' bull**** that he came out with, what she said wasn't sexist at all imo.

Why did she mention Ollie as well then? :shrug:

[Macie Lightfoot]

What an asinine comment. Yes, women can be sexist. Would you like me to define misandry for you? Tons of women run entire companies, and have unbelievable power. Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire. So is JK Rowling. Did you ever hear of Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, or one of the most powerful women in the world right now: Angela Merkel??! There are more women than men in the world, and they live longer.

Like I said, there's a difference between bias and sexism. Reverse sexism cannot exist until these feelings can be institutionalized towards men like they have been towards women. And that simply will never happen.

[Semtex]

Louisa will just say any old rubbish, she has no emotional intelligence and would argue that the sky is green if she thought it gave her an advantage over someone.
I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw Linda.
Convenient suffrage purveyor.
Good value housemate though.

[Kizzy]

No it wasn't, sexism is an attitude and a set of core values that defines one sex as superior to another...
Luisas one remark relating to a task that she felt that ollie or jim would be better suited at is not an indicator that she believes in a sexist ideology.

I think there is positive and negative sexism, chivalry and gentlemanly behaviour can be seen as 'positive sexism' which is cultural, and misogyny 'negative' which is personal.

[Cherie]

Why would the men be better suited to an eating task than the women though?

[Kizzy]

Hey don't start tarring me with that sexist brush..... I didn't say 'the men' I said ollie or jim, if luisa was there I would have said her too as she's very determined.

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah i noticed too.It's all bollocks,Apparently sexism can only work one way in some femenists eyes.Luisa just wants things to be 'more equal' for women.Plus Linda is a bitch anyway,I think she was well suited to the task.

[Ellen]

Yeah i noticed this, she just mentions the men that are there, she does not mention Sam stepping up to do the eating task.

[flamingGalah!]

You're getting mixed up with common courtesy and sexism. Linda is an elderly woman the men definitely should have put themselves forward.

Anyone who calls that sexism is simply clutching at straws. Is it sexist to open a door for a woman? Pretty sure 100% of people on this forum said in a poll the other day it's not

Linda isn't 'elderly' lol! And Jim is older than her, if it was down to common courtesy then Ollie should have lept up to do the task, not try to wriggle out of it by saying he had eaten 4 Weetabix! And surely it is sexist for men to jump in & offer to do a task, as a silly weak little woman is so incapable of doing it... I love how many woman are only feminists when it suits them :joker:

And Liz's comment was clearly sexist, a man shouldn't all a woman a nasty name, yet it is ok for a woman to call a man a ******?!? Unbelievable & I like Liz :nono:

[Seraphim]

It's impossible for women to be sexist against men because that requires prejudice and power and women have never had power, and quite frankly will never have power over men. Liz and Luisa's comments may have been biased, but their feelings can never be institutionalized in a world where being a (white, straight) man means everything. When men cry reverse sexism it's really just men not getting the privileges they're used to getting tbqh.

Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex, so you are wrong.

Your post is a bit sexist, to be honest. Throughout history there have powerful women. Elizabeth 1 is upheld as one of the greatest monarchs in English history; Margaret Thatcher was one of the most influencial British politicians in my lifetime; women's voices are heard on TV, radio and in print. As mothers and wives, women have power: many dominate the home and help to mould their children into the people they will become; the nursing and teaching professions are dominated by women, which gives them the power over life and death, and the opportunity to shape the future by influencing/developing young minds. Some women use their positions as wives to enhance their husband's career, or gain a platform of their own, aka Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama.

The idea that women have never had or will never have power over men is a fallacy which has at it's root the sexist notion that the most important strength is physical strength / status / wealth and that the roles which men traditionally play in society are the most important.

In most western countries, education and opportunities exists for both sexes, and women can succeed and excel in what is still regarded as a "man's world". Just because women choose to prioritise child-rearing, or other areas, rather than pursue a career in business or politics, it does not mean that they could not do so should they desire.

In countries where women are regarded as chattals their voices and influence can still resound world-wide. Look at Malala Yousafzai - as a child, the Taliban saw her as such a threat that they tried to assassinate her.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex, so you are wrong.

Your post is a bit sexist, to be honest. Throughout history there have powerful women. Elizabeth 1 is upheld as one of the greatest monarchs in English history; Margaret Thatcher was one of the most influencial British politicians in my lifetime; women's voices are heard on TV, radio and in print. As mothers and wives, women have power: many dominate the home and help to mould their children into the people they will become; the nursing and teaching professions are dominated by women, which gives them the power over life and death, and the opportunity to shape the future by influencing/developing young minds. Some women use their positions as wives to enhance their husband's career, or gain a platform of their own, aka Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama.

The idea that women have never had or will never have power over men is a fallacy which has at it's root the sexist notion that the most important strength is physical strength / status / wealth and that the roles which men traditionally play in society are the most important.

In most western countries, education and opportunities exists for both sexes, and women can succeed and excel in what is still regarded as a "man's world". Just because women choose to prioritise child-rearing, or other areas, rather than pursue a career in business or politics, it does not mean that they could not do so should they desire.

In countries where women are regarded as chattals their voices and influence can still resound world-wide. Look at Malala Yousafzai - as a child, the Taliban saw her as such a threat that they tried to assassinate her.

I'm not wrong. For one, the definition mentions women. Additionally, sexism incorporates prejudice and power and women has a sex have never had power over men as a sex. That's not sexist, that's history. Women's suffrage, women's rights to property, rape as a weapon of war, Roe v .Wade, the Global Gender Gap Report, and Saudi Arabian women fighting for the right to drive are just a few examples of an immense history of sexism. Men have always had the upper hand and and the reason I said that women are never going to have power over men is because there will never be rights that women have and men don't have. There can certainly be bias against men but reverse sexism is a complete myth.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Linda isn't 'elderly' lol! And Jim is older than her, if it was down to common courtesy then Ollie should have lept up to do the task, not try to wriggle out of it by saying he had eaten 4 Weetabix! And surely it is sexist for men to jump in & offer to do a task, as a silly weak little woman is so incapable of doing it... I love how many woman are only feminists when it suits them :joker:

And Liz's comment was clearly sexist, a man shouldn't all a woman a nasty name, yet it is ok for a woman to call a man a ******?!? Unbelievable & I like Liz :nono:

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[Lewarse]

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wow - insightful.

[Cherie]

I took it that she was saying a stronger stomached member of the group would have been a better because Liz has phobias, Linda is quite old and as I stated before Ollie and Jim are nice guys who would probably take the hit for her. I'd have eaten it if I was in a house and they asked an older member to do it. If she had said 'a man should have done that' I'd understand what you're saying tbh but not this way.

You are forgetting Sam? why couldn't she do it?