Liz Jones article!!

[erinp5]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2545887/Inane-vain-terminally-moronic-The-pathetic-reality-life-Celebrity-Big-Brother-house-Three-weeks-ago-Liz-Jones-began-toughest-assignment-This-deliciously-barbed-verdict.html

[Videostar]

So, true to her word that she wouldn't be doing an article about CBB. :notimpressed::fist:

[erinp5]

So, true to her word that she wouldn't be doing an article about CBB. :notimpressed::fist:

You didn't actually believe her Vids..did you?

[Vanessa]

I don't like her. She sounds quite nasty now. :nono:

[Videostar]

You didn't actually believe her Vids..did you?

Well, she said it in front of a studio audience so I assumed she was telling the truth...more fool me. :facepalm:

[Livia]

I'm no surprised. She's a writer. Being surprised she's written an article is like being surprised to see Casey in Nuts.

[erinp5]

Well, she said it in front of a studio audience so I assumed she was telling the truth...more fool me. :facepalm:

:joker:

[Pete.]

Obvious she was writing in her head rather can contributing to the house

[InOne]

Good old Liz :pipe:

[Heaven = Winner]

OMG! I love it :bawling:

I don't like her. She sounds quite nasty now. :nono:

She actually doesn't sound bad at all towards the end of the article.

[Amy Jade]

Confirming Linda self harmed because of Jim's disgusting behaviour.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I don't like her. She sounds quite nasty now. :nono:

You obviously couldn't be bothered to read the whole article. She goes on to praise the housemates and the show.

I was surprised to read how strict BB still are, she was locked in a hotel with no tv or phone and was blindfolded and had ear muffs on on launch night not to see who else was entering. Same as the old days.

[Josy]

So according to Liz Linda was self harming in the bathroom _ why wasn't she removed for being unstable?

Sam was showering with the door open - We never saw anything like this.

A male hm took alcohol and sleeping tabs because they were so distressed - wtf?

The crew members was only giving Ollie and Sam prompts for the task

And Linda's husband died less than a year ago - He died in 2007

[Josy]

Confirming Linda self harmed because of Jim's disgusting behaviour.

If Jims behaviour had been that bad he would have been removed..

[Amy Jade]

If Jims behaviour had been that bad he would have been removed..
Would they really remove him though?

Jay got away with taking a dump amongst food and Conor bullied Deana and was not removed.

[Benjamin]

I'm no surprised. She's a writer. Being surprised she's written an article is like being surprised to see Casey in Nuts.

Exactly, lol. This is Liz's job to write articles.

[Vanessa]

If Jims behaviour had been that bad he would have been removed..

True. Liz is biased anyway. She doesn't like Jim.

[Josy]

Would they really remove him though?

Jay got away with taking a dump amongst food and Conor bullied Deana and was not removed.

They would have certainly removed him if he had done something bad enough to provoke self harming.

[Amy Jade]

They would have certainly removed him if he had done something bad enough to provoke self harming.

How do you measure what upsets somebody enough to make them feel as though they may self harm though?

I know a girl who did it because she got bullied at school, she used to pull strands of her hair out (Trichotillomania) because she was so miserable in school - Another person my Mum used to give a lift to work used to self harm because she was ill and struggling with money and she felt self harming was a way on controlling her pain. Sorry to babble on but it's just examples of my point.

What I'm saying is different things can set different people off, what you and I view as gentle prodding or a bit of nothing could seriously effect another person.

[Josy]

How do you measure what upsets somebody enough to make them feel as though they may self harm though?

I know a girl who did it because she got bullied at school, she used to pull strands of her hair out (Trichotillomania) because she was so miserable in school - Another person my Mum used to give a lift to work used to self harm because she was ill and struggling with money and she felt self harming was a way on controlling her pain. Sorry to babble on but it's just examples of my point.

What I'm saying is different things can set different people off, what you and I view as gentle prodding or a bit of nothing could seriously effect another person.

If Linda was self harming in there and the producers agreed that it was Jim that caused it then they would have removed him from the house, they have psychologists on hand to deal with that sort of thing, and I'm guessing they will be a lot more clued about things like that than me you or anyone else on this forum.

Linda's sister also said she was unstable before she even entered the house.

[Amy Jade]

If Linda was self harming in there and the producers agreed that it was Jim that caused it then they would have removed him from the house, they have psychologists on hand to deal with that sort of thing, and I'm guessing they will be a lot more clued about things like that than me you or anyone else on this forum.

Linda's sister also said she was unstable before she even entered the house.
Since when have the BB psychologists been reliable? they famously failed and let unstable people enter the house.

My point still stands that Jim's treatment towards her caused her suffice distress that she self harmed (if Liz is to be believed). I'm not even putting the blame on Jim, she was obviously not stable enough to be there to begin with but apparently his comments didn't help her.

[Josy]

Since when have the BB psychologists been reliable? they famously failed and let unstable people enter the house.

My point still stands that Jim's treatment towards her caused her suffice distress that she self harmed (if Liz is to be believed). I'm not even putting the blame on Jim, she was obviously not stable enough to be there to begin with but apparently his comments didn't help her.

All just speculation.

If you admit she was obviously unstable enough to be there in the first place then you can't really put the blame onto anyone else for her actions anyway :shrug:

[Samm]

Queen Liz :worship:, she just slayed all the housemates

Luisa & Liz for ever <3

[Amy Jade]

All just speculation.

If you admit she was obviously unstable enough to be there in the first place then you can't really put the blame onto anyone else for her actions anyway :shrug:
Liz said that Jim's behaviour towards her caused her to self harm. She was in there and witnessed him 24/7 so I believe what she says.

[Arrow]

lee pulled her up on this in the house for someone with such low self esteem she came across a bit nasty in her talent task

In this she seems to think she is above everyone in the house and even working class people

[Vanessa]

lee pulled her up on this in the house for someone with such low self esteem she came across a bit nasty in her talent task

In this she seems to think she is above everyone in the house and even working class people

She doesn't care about the truth. Her article is not truthful at all.

[Josy]

Liz said that Jim's behaviour towards her caused her to self harm. She was in there and witnessed him 24/7 so I believe what she says.

She also said Linda's husband died last year.

[Spoon]

BB let a HM who had been drinking have sleeping pills. How responsible.

[Amy Jade]

She doesn't care about the truth. Her article is not truthful at all.
Of course it is, she was in there for 3 weeks. These are her opinions and you keep banging on about how everyone is entitled to their own. You're only dismissing it because it doesn't say what you want it to say.

[Vanessa]

BB let a HM who had been drinking have sleeping pills. How responsible.

That's what Liz says. We don't know if it's true or not.

[Amy Jade]

She also said Linda's husband died last year.
So one mistakes means she's wrong about everything? ok.

[Josy]

So one mistakes means she's wrong about everything? ok.

That's not what I said.

[Samm]

She doesn't care about the truth. Her article is not truthful at all.

It's her own opinion

[Amy Jade]

That's not what I said.
That's how it came across to me.

[Josy]

That's how it came across to me.

My point was you said she was in there and witnessed everything 24/7 well she either witnessed Linda saying her husband died last year which is a lie or she picked her up wrong, Liz is deaf and could hear bits and pieces of things and think something else was said.

[Amy Jade]

My point was you said she was in there and witnessed everything 24/7 well she either witnessed Linda saying her husband died last year which is a lie or she picked her up wrong, Liz is deaf and could hear bits and pieces of things and think something else was said.
Making a mistake on something trivial like that and making a mistake about somebody causing another distress to the point they take to self harm are wildly different.

[Vanessa]

My point was you said she was in there and witnessed everything 24/7 well she either witnessed Linda saying her husband died last year which is a lie or she picked her up wrong, Liz is deaf and could hear bits and pieces of things and think something else was said.

That is a very good point, Josy. She could have heard things wrong.

[Kazanne]

Some people dislike Jim so much ,they really want this to be true,and although it's obviously billy bullshine,it's just the thing they need to justify their dislike.This is how people get a bad name,others throw mud and some sticks !!

[Seraphim]

It's a great article, but typical of Liz Jones. She really doesn't really understand that she might hurt people when she writes about them like that. She has fallen out with friends after writing about them, and she had to move house because of writing about all the locals. If she hadn't described the HMs as "stupid" it wouldn't have been bad, but it's snobbish to dismiss others and feel superior to them because of your intellect - everyone has something different to offer.

[Rob!]

Wow. This Linda thing could get the show into a lot of trouble. :shocked:

[Vanessa]

Wow. This Linda thing could get the show into a lot of trouble. :shocked:

That woman scares me.

[Brother Leon]

"Dappy, who was covered in so many tattoos I was driven to reading them all one evening, so desperate was I for a book, and who in a general knowledge test scored only six per cent, which embarrassed him hugely, proved himself a gentleman when for the third night in a row I was sat in the bedroom toilet, vomiting from the stress. He held my hair from my face, and rubbed my back, cooing all the while".

What a lovely guy.

[Benjamin]

She doesn't care about the truth. Her article is not truthful at all.

How do you know? Were you in there, or going by what BB has shown everyone?

[Lex]

Not a pleasant article was it ! and for someone that claims to be unimpressed by celebrity , Jim's saying that she wasn't famous sure seems to have scarred her hasn't it!..lol... anyway...She was a nobody to me before she went in the house...and now...i'm beginning to forget her already! :shrug:

[Vanessa]

How do you know? Were you in there, or going by what BB has shown everyone?

She got things wrong. Maybe she heard wrong, because she's deaf. Who knows? But she comes across as a snob to me.

[Benjamin]

She got things wrong. Maybe she heard wrong, because she's deaf. Who knows? But she comes across as a snob to me.

Yes and Jim comes across as a rude, sexist and underhanded moron to me and quiet a few others. We don't care for this every excuse under the sun from his fans to justify his behavior, it is how we perceive him, just like Liz perceives Jim and she was there first hand. So no, she is not wrong, you may not like nor agree with it, but that still doesn't make her wrong.

[Vanessa]

Yes and Jim comes across as a rude, sexist and underhanded moron to me and quiet a few others. We don't care for this every excuse under the sun from his fans to justify his behavior, it is how we perceive him, just like Liz perceives Jim and she was there first hand.

It just makes me wonder what else she got wrong in that article.

[Benjamin]

It just makes me wonder what else she got wrong in that article.

It also makes me wonder why some people are so blind to the fact that BB shows us only 45 minutes of footage from a 24 hour a day, and if people don't get by now they select footage very carefully to portray housemates in certain ways then there is no helping those people. Her article is stretched a bit for the papers, but the fact you have quite a few of the housemates who cannot stand Jim it really says something about him.

[Amy Jade]

She got things wrong. Maybe she heard wrong, because she's deaf. Who knows? But she comes across as a snob to me.
What things? the only one I see is the year Linda's husband passed away.

[Pincho Paxton]

Liz's article could have been written in a nicer way, and still got a lot of readers, maybe a better article for being nice. I think that a nasty article is her way of identifying readers, and making money, but I personally wanted a nice article. However some of her points are interesting.. the secrets...

Linda self harming.

Somebody taking pills, and alcohol.

[Videostar]

Confirming Linda self harmed because of Jim's disgusting behaviour.

If that really happened BB would have taken her out of the house, for good.

[Pincho Paxton]

If that really happened BB would have taken her out of the house, for good.

Well whatever happened her wrists are nice a clean by the time she leaves.

[Daniel.]

A snob? She's probably one of the most insecure housemates we've ever had

The article was really nice I thought

[Kizzy]

Liz is a pragmatist, her literal interpretations of the HMs are raw and come from a mind uncluttered by celebby social etiquette.
Well done her, a great read.

* I invented the word celebby*

[Seraphim]

A snob? She's probably one of the most insecure housemates we've ever had

The article was really nice I thought

Describing people as "stupid", "inane", "so-called intelligent" and saying that reality show viewers are "secretaries, supermarket till operatives and hair salon creatives" etc. is very intellectually snobby, and the article would have been nicer if she'd omitted that sort of thing.

[Seraphim]

Liz is a pragmatist, her literal interpretations of the HMs are raw and come from a mind uncluttered by celebby social etiquette.
Well done her, a great read.

* I invented the word celebby*

:laugh:

I agree, but these are real people she is talking about, and it seems hurtful to describe them as "stupid" or "inane", especially when she herself hardly opened her mouth for the first two weeks. She has been equally "pragmatic" about friends, neighbours and other people she knows who are not celebs. Most of them are no longer talking to her. ;)

[Kizzy]

It was cathartic... it took you through how she felt during her experience, including her preconceptions and misconceptions.... It was wonderful, sympathetically written.
The public are till ops and hairdressers, and reality TV is escapism.... I don't see an issue with highlighting that fact.

[Seraphim]

The public are till ops and hairdressers, and reality TV is escapism.... I don't see an issue with highlighting that fact.

Ho hum. I was giving some examples to someone who was wondering in what way the piece was snobby. I liked the piece too. No probs if you don't agree that by describing the viewers of reality shows as till ops and hairdressers, rather than doctors and lawyers she is displaying intellectual snobbery.

[Videostar]

Liz is a pragmatist, her literal interpretations of the HMs are raw and come from a mind uncluttered by celebby social etiquette.
Well done her, a great read.

* I invented the word celebby*

She still lied on her evicted BOTS show, she claimed that she would never write an article about BB or the HM's.

So IMO that invalidates any and all of her opinions or claims as to what went on in the house, the woman is a joke now.

[Kizzy]

I'm sorry you feel that way, luckily she relented and wrote one.
Ho hum?.... Intellectual snobbery, for stating that the target demographic for MIC is secretaries, till ops and hairdressers (women 18-40s)
If you say so, I wouldn't overanalyse her intent too much.

[MachoPoodle]

True. Liz is biased anyway. She doesn't like Jim.

There is no such thing as personal objectivity. As soon as you have an opinion, you could be seen as biased one way or the other. Liz is no more biased than the Jim loving audience or any other Jim fans, so what's your point?

[Jamesy]

It's interesting she mentions the "long line of limos" at the launch night - just reminds me even more of the good old days when housemates would pull up and come out the limo! Kinda preferred that over the current entrances through the eye stage.

[Seraphim]

I'm sorry you feel that way, luckily she relented and wrote one.
Ho hum?.... Intellectual snobbery, for stating that the target demographic for MIC is secretaries, till ops and hairdressers (women 18-40s)
If you say so, I wouldn't overanalyse her intent too much.

Here's what I wrote, just to make things clear:

It's a great article, but typical of Liz Jones. She really doesn't really understand that she might hurt people when she writes about them like that. She has fallen out with friends after writing about them, and she had to move house because of writing about all the locals. If she hadn't described the HMs as "stupid" it wouldn't have been bad, but it's snobbish to dismiss others and feel superior to them because of your intellect - everyone has something different to offer.

My opinion is as valid as Liz Jones', even though I don't write for the Daily Mail. ;)

I like Liz Jones - she's the only reason I watched CBB.. and she's one of the reasons I became a regular reader of the Mail Online. I'm addicted now, lol.

[Verbal]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2545887/Inane-vain-terminally-moronic-The-pathetic-reality-life-Celebrity-Big-Brother-house-Three-weeks-ago-Liz-Jones-began-toughest-assignment-This-deliciously-barbed-verdict.html

That is a great article. Something I have never said about the daily fail. Having 'real' people like her is how I would like to see the show moving forward. She was great.

[Seraphim]

That is a great article. Something I have never said about the daily fail. Having 'real' people like her is how I would like to see the show moving forward. She was great.

As a regular reader of Liz Jones, I was rather glad to see the DM readers' opinion changing in Liz's favour during her time on the show. She was getting lots of positive feedback during her time in the house. It was funny to see below the BB article that most of the readers have reverted to their previous opinion, with the top rated comments being:


"Liz I thought you said to your housemates you wouldn't write about you time in BB?.. Hypocrite!!!"

"Awful woman. Only has the guts to make comment in print."

It looks as if Liz is back in the doghouse :laugh2:

[Jemal]

"Dappy, who was covered in so many tattoos I was driven to reading them all one evening, so desperate was I for a book, and who in a general knowledge test scored only six per cent, which embarrassed him hugely, proved himself a gentleman when for the third night in a row I was sat in the bedroom toilet, vomiting from the stress. He held my hair from my face, and rubbed my back, cooing all the while".

What a lovely guy.

Great lad

[Verbal]

As a regular reader of Liz Jones, I was rather glad to see the DM readers' opinion changing in Liz's favour during her time on the show. She was getting lots of positive feedback during her time in the house. It was funny to see below the BB article that most of the readers have reverted to their previous opinion, with the top rated comments being:





It looks as if Liz is back in the doghouse :laugh2:

The Daily Mail comments section is one of the most entertaining and trolled 'forums' on the internet. It is pretty scathing in parts, but in a witty way, good on her I say.

[Benjamin]

She still lied on her evicted BOTS show, she claimed that she would never write an article about BB or the HM's.

So IMO that invalidates any and all of her opinions or claims as to what went on in the house, the woman is a joke now.

Just bitter because she slated your wife-beating favourite. :pat:

[MTVN]

What a pathetic woman

[Seraphim]

The Daily Mail comments section is one of the most entertaining and trolled 'forums' on the internet. It is pretty scathing in parts, but in a witty way, good on her I say.

Yes.. I agree. I'm glad to hear that it's not only me who finds the DM comments section irresistible. hehehe

[Z]

That was a great read!