York : Megan Roberts , university female student, 20 : now sadly found drowned

[arista]

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[Fears grow for university student, 20,
who went missing after night out in York
Megan Roberts, 20, last seen at 2am
on Thursday in Popworld bar
Police informed today as friends
realised she hadn't been seen since
Police launched urgent search,
disappearance 'very out of character']


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546847/Fears-grow-university-student-20-went-missing-night-York.html#ixzz2rg8CbnXL



Now a main news item
sadly

[smudgie]

Not looking good.
Her family and friends must be going through hell.

[arista]

Not looking good.
Her family and friends must be going through hell.


Yes true


http://news.sky.com/story/1201888/missing-york-student-triggers-police-appeal

[Cherie]

Such a long time before she was reported missing.

[arista]

Such a long time before she was reported missing.


Could be due to her age


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/1/27/285141/default/v1/megan-1-252x337.jpg
[Megan's mother contacted the
police after a friend raised the alarm]

[Kizzy]

Didn't another woman go missing in york?

[Cherie]

Could be due to her age


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/1/27/285141/default/v1/megan-1-252x337.jpg
[Megan's mother contacted the
police after a friend raised the alarm]

I find it a bit sad that nobody knew her plans ie how she was getting home and who with etc

[Cherie]

Didn't another woman go missing in york?

Yes Kizzy it is in the article

[Ninastar]

I thought about Claudia Lawrence too...

Really hope she found soon... Doesn't sound good sadly.

[arista]

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[Megan Roberts, 20, was last seen at 2am
on Thursday in Popworld bar
Police told yesterday because friends
thought she was staying at home
Officers have launched search as
disappearance 'very out of character'
CCTV shows her with friends at 2.10am,
but absent ten minutes later
A friend had tweeted about them
being stalked in a bar days earlier
Claudia Lawrence, 20, went missing a
mile away in York in March 2009
Chef was likely murdered and her father
made public appeal to find Megan
Teams in boats are searching the Ouse
close to bridge where she was seen]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546847/Fears-grow-university-student-20-went-missing-night-York.html#ixzz2riFsDfft

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[Search for Megan: Specialist officers are using
sonar in the River Ouse today close to
where the student was with friends]

[Ninastar]

her poor family :(

[MTVN]

I don't understand how her friends lost her in that ten minute gap of time when all they did was cross the bridge :shrug: hope she's found but it isn't looking promising :/

[Kate!]

This is dreadful :( my heart sinks at stuff like this. It's more often than not a terrible outcome.

[Ninastar]

its strange... I have 3 mutual friends with her on FB and i know the two girls on her cover photo...

our town has had a really bad week... a young mum just died in a horrible car accident leaving her 13 month old baby behind. people had to rescue him from the car, otherwise they'd have both died. most of my friends knew who she was. it's so strange.

[Z]

That doesn't sound promising... really hope they find her alive and well but it's not sounding great. On the one hand, how could her friends have lost her and not noticed and then nobody reported her missing for five days? On the other hand, it is so easy to just disappear and do your own thing as a student, it's a bit morbid but I'm forever fretting about the worst happening to me and thinking like "nobody would know I was gone for ages if I went missing right now" if I've just left a friend and walk home... that's really sad

[arista]

I don't understand how her friends lost her in that ten minute gap of time when all they did was cross the bridge :shrug: hope she's found but it isn't looking promising :/

were they drunk?

[Z]

I'd assume so if they were in a bar until 2am but possibly some/all of them weren't drinkers... just so strange to not notice your friend has disappeared in that short a distance and time and to then not raise the alarm for 5 days :/

[Josy]

5 days before any of her friends/family even realised she was missing? that's a long time to notice that IMO.

This part of the article is not good...

Separately, it has emerged that Megan, 20, and a friend were stalked by a 'creepy guy' in a bar a few days before she went missing.

Hope she's found safe.

[Josy]

I don't understand how her friends lost her in that ten minute gap of time when all they did was cross the bridge :shrug: hope she's found but it isn't looking promising :/

Yeah same..surely one of them would have realised she was no longer there? D:

[Cherie]

Maybe something happened crossing the bridge, just odd that none of the group that were with her noticed she was no longer there, I suppose if they were all pissed but even so..

[Josy]

Maybe something happened crossing the bridge, just odd that none of the group that were with her noticed she was no longer there, I suppose if they were all pissed but even so..

Definitely odd that, after reading that part it becomes one of these ones where you are thinking 'hmmm there's something not right'

[Z]

5 days before any of her friends/family even realised she was missing? that's a long time to notice that IMO.

This part of the article is not good...



Hope she's found safe.

It is really worrying isn't it? A girl on my course at uni has been missing since September and her parents didn't file a missing person report or even try to find out where she was until December... mad

Definitely odd that, after reading that part it becomes one of these ones where you are thinking 'hmmm there's something not right'

Yeah I've got a funny feeling about this too... either somebody's done something very horrible to her or her friends aren't telling the whole truth, just doesn't stack up IMO

[AnnieK]

Definitely odd that, after reading that part it becomes one of these ones where you are thinking 'hmmm there's something not right'

Yeah I agree...something definitely dodgy with the story..

Hope she is found safe and well

[Kizzy]

Yes Kizzy it is in the article

Whatever would I do without you chezza?
(in my defence it's the mail)
What a nightmare, in Leeds you're basically on CCTV at all times in the city centre shame they can't track her movements after the bridge.

[Josy]

Whatever would I do without you chezza?
(in my defence it's the mail)
What a nightmare, in Leeds you're basically on CCTV at all times in the city centre shame they can't track her movements after the bridge.

Yes that's something that really annoys me, the UK is like the CCTV capital of the world but whenever anything happens it's always the same story, it either never got picked up on the cameras or they were facing the other way etc makes you wonder if it was worth the cash they spent installing them all.

[Kizzy]

Yes that's something that really annoys me, the UK is like the CCTV capital of the world but whenever anything happens it's always the same story, it either never got picked up on the cameras or they were facing the other way etc makes you wonder if it was worth the cash they spent installing them all.

Especially over or around water, let's hope they can piece it together, the club may have a pic of this creepy guy?

[Z]

CCTV needs to be replaced with actual cameras. When I was assaulted in the summer it was caught on CCTV but because it was about 10 feet away from the camera and it was at night, it was too grainy to make out any kind of important details, you could just see that something was happening. Bloody ridiculous. We've had brilliant camera technology for ages now, there ought to be a huge government investment in replacing CCTV cameras with proper cameras filming in colour.

[Nedusa]

I agree this story is starting to raise a few questions. Why could she not be tracked on CCTV as it has blanket coverage in most of our City Centres. How could she disappear so quickly from her friends.

Why did no one raise the alarm for so long, and why did her friends allow her to walk home alone in the first place especially if she was drunk and crossing bridges etc...

a lot of this does not add up....!!!!

[Cherie]

I agree this story is starting to raise a few questions. Why could she not be tracked on CCTV as it has blanket coverage in most of our City Centres. How could she disappear so quickly from her friends.

Why did no one raise the alarm for so long, and why did her friends allow her to walk home alone in the first place especially if she was drunk and crossing bridges etc...

a lot of this does not add up....!!!!

The only explanation I can think of is that she went a different direction after crossing the bridge to her friends, but what kind of friends leave you to walk home alone at 2am.

[Jesus.]

I agree this story is starting to raise a few questions. Why could she not be tracked on CCTV as it has blanket coverage in most of our City Centres. How could she disappear so quickly from her friends.

Why did no one raise the alarm for so long, and why did her friends allow her to walk home alone in the first place especially if she was drunk and crossing bridges etc...

a lot of this does not add up....!!!!

Have you ever been to York? When I worked for a company, I had to go up there for a residential training course. It's a really lovely city, but is full of winding streets that bend loads, meaning that they'd have to have cameras every 40/50 feet to have full access to all streets without any blind spots.

[mizzy25]

It does seem a bit odd that one side of the bridge shes seen with a group of friends on cctv then on the other side, theres no sign of her. Didn't anyone notice she had gone? Or did they just assume she had? You don't know what way they go on when they are out I suppose, they may be casual in saying goodnight and just wander off without saying goodbye, this maybe the case, I really hope shes found safe and well though. The story about the creey stalker is not good though. Surely police will be able to find out who he is, they could ask the bar staff who said they would refuse to serve him etc, maybe the poor guy is totally innocent though but would be great to rule him out.

[Ammi]

CCTV needs to be replaced with actual cameras. When I was assaulted in the summer it was caught on CCTV but because it was about 10 feet away from the camera and it was at night, it was too grainy to make out any kind of important details, you could just see that something was happening. Bloody ridiculous. We've had brilliant camera technology for ages now, there ought to be a huge government investment in replacing CCTV cameras with proper cameras filming in colour.

..yeah, I agree..I know that CCTV is effective in some cases but in many, it's just too grainy and unclear to be able to see much...I know at work with any incidents we've had, it's been impossible to see anything of any help to the police whatsoever and with the technology available with cameras, I don't understand why it has to be like that...

[Jesus.]

I see and understand the need for cameras around schools for example, but I don't think calling for better/more CCTV as being anything but a bad thing.

We're already the most watched people in Europe, and probably in the west. We should be trying to curb the abilities of the state to spy on the people, not improve it.

Accidents will always happen, and people will always get beaten up for no good reason, but more cameras with facial recognition is a really dangerous step to take for society.

[arista]

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Now more divers are searching the river


[It wasn't like Megan to walk home alone,
says friend as police centre hunt for
missing student on river where she was last seen]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547933/It-wasnt-like-Megan-walk-home-says-friend-police-investigate-missing-woman-stalked-days-vanished.html#ixzz2rn7wKVUg

[Ammi]

I see and understand the need for cameras around schools for example, but I don't think calling for better/more CCTV as being anything but a bad thing.

We're already the most watched people in Europe, and probably in the west. We should be trying to curb the abilities of the state to spy on the people, not improve it.

Accidents will always happen, and people will always get beaten up for no good reason, but more cameras with facial recognition is a really dangerous step to take for society.

..I can see the need for them in schools with older children for incidents inside the school when they're probably often invaluable..but for incidents of intruders etc, which are mostly in the dark/at night..they seem fairly useless or of very little help...

[Nedusa]

You would be surprised to learn the real value of CCTV cameras to the police and other security services. Although quite regularly mocked for not being able to prevent or stop crimes in real time, its value really lies in solving crimes already committed.

CCTV and other surveillance cameras allow police to track individuals and cars to and from the scene of crimes. so much footage is taken on any given day,week or Month that no one can really hide from these things.

Your movements could in theory be tracked across large areas of the Country and a large reason for the clean up rate of crimes increasing is due in no small part to the blanket coverage of us all by these devices.

We live in the most surveilled Country in the World..........and we don't even know it..!!!

[Samm]

Doesn't look great :(

[Cherie]

Just heard on the news the police believe she fell in the river. Tragic

[Z]

I see and understand the need for cameras around schools for example, but I don't think calling for better/more CCTV as being anything but a bad thing.

We're already the most watched people in Europe, and probably in the west. We should be trying to curb the abilities of the state to spy on the people, not improve it.

Accidents will always happen, and people will always get beaten up for no good reason, but more cameras with facial recognition is a really dangerous step to take for society.

I think it's only a dangerous thing if you believe the risks outweigh the benefits. CCTV is invaluable when it comes to solving crimes and finding missing people; yes it's possible that CCTV could be abused by people in positions of authority but can't most things in life? In practise, the only people who should be concerned about being tracked on CCTV are people who have a reason to hide - it might be a bit disconcerting to think about being filmed all the time but isn't it worth it for the odd occasion when you do need CCTV footage to help you out - if you've been mugged or injured or you've gone missing... The reality is that it's already everywhere and there haven't been any major misuses of the technology that I know of, so why not update it to something with a better capacity for recording?

Just heard on the news the police believe she fell in the river. Tragic

Oh no... :(

[arista]

Police are now saying due to drinking
she is in the River

On All News

[Z]

How bad must her friends feel right now...

[MeMyselfAndI]

They should feel awful

[Vanessa]

Omg! That doesn't sound good. :bawling:

[Ammi]

..Jeez, the nightmare that her parents must be going through as well...

[Z]

See I would never leave any of my friends by themselves when we're drunk, partly because of how I've been brought up and partly because of my personal experiences from being alone and being attacked but I would always wait with a girl until she got into a taxi and home safe or walk someone to their door before I left them...

[Ammi]

..I think that tragically, her friends might have a lot of time to reflect on what they could have done differently...

[Z]

Just reminds me of the boy who died in Glasgow the other month, fell in the Clyde and died after a night out... scary stuff

[Ammi]

Just reminds me of the boy who died in Glasgow the other month, fell in the Clyde and died after a night out... scary stuff

..yeah, parents worry about stuff like that when there are stories like this ...

[Z]

Obviously I don't know her, what she's like when she's drunk or what happened but I do always feel that sad stories like this could have been completely avoided if people knew their limits when they were drunk instead of getting into a complete state and not knowing where they are or what they're doing... just such a needless death... fingers crossed they somehow find her alive but it's not looking likely is it? :(

[Jesus.]

I think it's only a dangerous thing if you believe the risks outweigh the benefits. CCTV is invaluable when it comes to solving crimes and finding missing people; yes it's possible that CCTV could be abused by people in positions of authority but can't most things in life? In practise, the only people who should be concerned about being tracked on CCTV are people who have a reason to hide - it might be a bit disconcerting to think about being filmed all the time but isn't it worth it for the odd occasion when you do need CCTV footage to help you out - if you've been mugged or injured or you've gone missing... The reality is that it's already everywhere and there haven't been any major misuses of the technology that I know of, so why not update it to something with a better capacity for recording?



Oh no... :(

It's a basic civil liberty issue. We have the right to not have our every movement recorded against our will. It's a really weak argument to say that only people who want to do bad things, are the ones who would question this.

It's just not worth it to me, as we should never trade civil liberties for security. Bad things just happen. I've been beaten up in a city centre, and i still have the scar, but you just take it and move on. These things have always happened, and camera's don't prevent these things from happening.

To just volunteer up rights for our own protection reveals a lot about our psyche.

[Z]

It's a basic civil liberty issue. We have the right to not have our every movement recorded against our will. It's a really weak argument to say that only people who want to do bad things, are the ones who would question this.

It's just not worth it to me, as we should never trade civil liberties for security. Bad things just happen. I've been beaten up in a city centre, and i still have the scar, but you just take it and move on. These things have always happened, and camera's don't prevent these things from happening.

To just volunteer up rights for our own protection reveals a lot about our psyche.

I think it is worth it but I completely understand where you're coming from. Just in my opinion the line between protection and Big Brother Is Watching state depends entirely on the people in charge of that power and personally I've never felt threatened by it. It can't prevent bad things from happening but sometimes it can help solve crimes after they've happened and I'd rather rely on cold hard video evidence than a person's patchy memory as conclusive proof of something bad happening.

[Kizzy]

CCTV is a tool used in target hardening, a visual deterrent that does work.
Tech is being used because it can be, if it prevents crime or violence or aids in securing a conviction then surely that's a good thing?
We are moving on, things don't stay the same, I understand it does seem very 'big brother' (lol)
The pros do seem to outweigh the cons though.

[Jesus.]

I think it is worth it but I completely understand where you're coming from. Just in my opinion the line between protection and Big Brother Is Watching state depends entirely on the people in charge of that power and personally I've never felt threatened by it. It can't prevent bad things from happening but sometimes it can help solve crimes after they've happened and I'd rather rely on cold hard video evidence than a person's patchy memory as conclusive proof of something bad happening.

I don't feel threatened by it either. It's just wrong. The problem is, that once you give people access to these things, then the temptation outweighs the intent. Look at the way the NSA have been listening to the conversations of leaders like Merkel. She's on their side and will have never been planning anything against the US, but hey, they had the capability so why not use it?

Civil liberty is an important part of holding liberal values - which I do, and there is no real need to live under such televised conditions. There just isn't.

The fact we may record the actions of (for arguments sake) 50,000 people on a daily basis in a city centre, to catch a couple of people is not worth it to me. We employ people to watch these cameras 24hrs a day, not to refer to in the case of crimes happening, but to monitor people as they go about their business. It's what Pravda used to do, but without the cameras.

[Ninastar]

they've found a body in the river Ouse apparently

[Ninastar]

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11047702.Police_find_body_in_River_Ouse_near_York/

[Me. I Am Salman]

:(

[Ninastar]

her poor family. I hope they get some closure at least

[Z]

Think it was pretty clear this is what had happened, sad to hear they've likely found her body. Cannot believe her friends didn't notice and nobody reported her missing for days... shocking

[arista]

Think it was pretty clear this is what had happened, sad to hear they've likely found her body. Cannot believe her friends didn't notice and nobody reported her missing for days... shocking


Yes real sad if she fell in the river
and no one noticed

[Z]

It just really shocks me arista, I can only assume that all of the group of friends were extremely drunk - you'd have to be in a bad way to fall into a river in the first place I'd have thought; and for nobody to notice that as well, clearly none of them were remotely sober... but it's just the fact none of them noticed she was missing for days afterwards, nobody contacted her the next day to ask if she got home okay or check on her...

[Kizzy]

They've found a body in the river in York :(

[Ninastar]

^ i've posted about it already, they thinks its hers

and i know Zee, it's so strange, isn't it?

[Z]

^ i've posted about it already, they thinks its hers

and i know Zee, it's so strange, isn't it?

I mean I know all friend groups are different but generally if I've gone on a night out with friends I'll speak to everyone the next day to see if they enjoyed themselves and speak about whatever interesting things happened or any plans we made or whatever. I can't believe they just didn't notice, it's horrible. I'd imagine they'll all have that on their consciences for a very long time, which isn't really fair on them because what could they have done differently? Just a tragic accident as far as we can tell...

[Ninastar]

Confirmed to be her body. Can't post link right now

[Z]

Tragic. It was to be expected though. Her family must be devastated and probably her friends who were there that night will be traumatised for a long time to come.

[Ninastar]

They must feel so guilty.

It's weird knowing people who knew her. There's another guy gone missing from my school and it's like never ending drama for our town

[Z]

They must feel so guilty.

It's weird knowing people who knew her. There's another guy gone missing from my school and it's like never ending drama for our town

That's surreal Caitlin, hope the guy turns up alive and well.. must be a sad time for everyone just now :(

There was a boy who was murdered a couple of years ago who was back in the news again recently as his family and friends were appealing for new information. My best friend on my course was friends with him, they were all devastated, he'd been out in Glasgow and had gotten a taxi home but had for some reason gotten out of the taxi nowhere near his house and was found dead in a field, definitely a murder but he had been seen walking up the A-road to his village so people have no idea who did it or why.

[Vicky.]

I don't understand how her friends lost her in that ten minute gap of time when all they did was cross the bridge :shrug: hope she's found but it isn't looking promising :/

Its easy enough done...we managed to lose someone while just going out of a bar door once. Searched inside and everywhere outside and in the surrounding area too. Still never found out where she went, she doesnt remember herself

[Z]

Its easy enough done...we managed to lose someone while just going out of a bar door once. Searched inside and everywhere outside and in the surrounding area too. Still never found out where she went, she doesnt remember herself

Yeah just the other night I disappeared off home and none of my friends knew where I'd gone; these things happen, but the difference is that my friends were texting me asking where I'd gone and spoke to me the next day so obviously knew I was okay. I just can't believe none of her friends noticed for days. That's shocking to me.

[Vicky.]

Obviously I don't know her, what she's like when she's drunk or what happened but I do always feel that sad stories like this could have been completely avoided if people knew their limits when they were drunk instead of getting into a complete state and not knowing where they are or what they're doing... just such a needless death... fingers crossed they somehow find her alive but it's not looking likely is it? :(

Yeah this is a huge problem. I dont get it personally..I always know when I have had enough and stop. Dont see the point in getting totally ratarsed to the point where you cant stand and are puking and forget most of the night or something D:

Not that thats what happened here by any means, just something that really confuses me.

[arista]

Its easy enough done...we managed to lose someone while just going out of a bar door once. Searched inside and everywhere outside and in the surrounding area too. Still never found out where she went, she doesnt remember herself


Drinking so much

[Vicky.]

Yeah just the other night I disappeared off home and none of my friends knew where I'd gone; these things happen, but the difference is that my friends were texting me asking where I'd gone and spoke to me the next day so obviously knew I was okay. I just can't believe none of her friends noticed for days. That's shocking to me.

Yeah the not noticing is quite dodgy :/

Having said that, I dont think them noticing sooner would have made much of a difference if her body has been found in a river. Chances are she was in there within a few mins of being lost :S

[Z]

Yeah the not noticing is quite dodgy :/

Having said that, I dont think them noticing sooner would have made much of a difference if her body has been found in a river. Chances are she was in there within a few mins of being lost :S

Yeah I can't imagine she survived very long if she was drunk enough to fall into the river in the first place; and if her friends were that drunk that they didn't notice her disappearing then they wouldn't have been any use in helping her even if they'd noticed, perhaps more than one person would have drowned if they'd tried to help her. But yeah, just scary how alcohol can affect some people - when I'm absolutely wasted I still manage to get home in one piece, I don't lose any of my things, I take my contact lenses out and wake up in my own bed. I don't throw up everywhere, get into fights or wake up in strange places. Some people don't have that level of control, and I just think if your relationship with alcohol is destructive then you really should just learn to stay away from it before something awful happens...

[Nedusa]

Can't believe her "friends" let her wander off on her own considering how drunk she must have been. Notwithstanding the obvious dangers of wandering into the road or falling off the bridge, what about the fact that in her state should could have been attacked, raped or worse.

Scandalous really that they just let her wander off on her own.... they will have to live with the consequences of that decision for the rest of their lives..........!!!!!

[Z]

People always talk about your 20s being a time when you get/do your first __ and that the world is your oyster... nobody really talks about your 20s being a time when sometimes, sadly, people die unexpectedly, maybe they get ill or they're in an accident or they're murdered. These things happen and I don't think anything can prepare you for it. This kind of thing would probably ruin your life.

[user104658]

Yeah just the other night I disappeared off home and none of my friends knew where I'd gone; these things happen, but the difference is that my friends were texting me asking where I'd gone and spoke to me the next day so obviously knew I was okay. I just can't believe none of her friends noticed for days. That's shocking to me.

I can see how it happens to be fair - people decide they've had too much or whatever and go off home without telling anyone... You just assume they've randomly buggered off or run into other friends or whatever. Then say the next day is a Sunday and you still don't hear from them - you just think epic hangover. Then it's Monday and everyone is back to classes and not really thinking about it any more, if none of the friends that were there were on her course they just wouldn't have any idea she still wasn't around.

Even in halls it can be ships passing in the night - I remember one weekend, I was wasted on the Friday night and wandered back to halls. just couldn't be bothered doing anything with anyone for the rest of the weekend, so I pretty much turned off my phone and camped out in my room watching DVD box sets. I was coming and going to the shops etc. And even using the communal kitchen but didn't happen to see anyone. On the Monday people asked if I'd had a good weekend back home! Everyone just assumed I'd gone to my dads for the weekend. Technically, I could easily have been dead in my room, or never made it home at all that Friday night.

Rambling a bit but, just saying, I can see how something like this could happen... People at Uni especially live such "individual" lives and just sort of flit about like that. Maybe this does suggest that people should be looking out for each other more, though.

Then again, I guess it wouldn't have changed the outcome here. Even if they had realised within half an hour that something was wrong, it would have been too late.

[Z]

I can see how it happens to be fair - people decide they've had too much or whatever and go off home without telling anyone... You just assume they've randomly buggered off or run into other friends or whatever. Then say the next day is a Sunday and you still don't hear from them - you just think epic hangover. Then it's Monday and everyone is back to classes and not really thinking about it any more, if none of the friends that were there were on her course they just wouldn't have any idea she still wasn't around.

Even in halls it can be ships passing in the night - I remember one weekend, I was wasted on the Friday night and wandered back to halls. just couldn't be bothered doing anything with anyone for the rest of the weekend, so I pretty much turned off my phone and camped out in my room watching DVD box sets. I was coming and going to the shops etc. And even using the communal kitchen but didn't happen to see anyone. On the Monday people asked if I'd had a good weekend back home! Everyone just assumed I'd gone to my dads for the weekend. Technically, I could easily have been dead in my room, or never made it home at all that Friday night.

Rambling a bit but, just saying, I can see how something like this could happen... People at Uni especially live such "individual" lives and just sort of flit about like that. Maybe this does suggest that people should be looking out for each other more, though.

Then again, I guess it wouldn't have changed the outcome here. Even if they had realised within half an hour that something was wrong, it would have been too late.

All very good points and completely true. I think it's safe to say that the moment she fell into the river she was a goner; if she was that drunk there's no way she'd have been able to swim and save herself; if her friends were that drunk that they didn't notice her disappear then they wouldn't have been able to help her.

[Kate!]

This is so sad.

R.I.P. Megan. God bless.

[Cherie]

I can see how it happens to be fair - people decide they've had too much or whatever and go off home without telling anyone... You just assume they've randomly buggered off or run into other friends or whatever. Then say the next day is a Sunday and you still don't hear from them - you just think epic hangover. Then it's Monday and everyone is back to classes and not really thinking about it any more, if none of the friends that were there were on her course they just wouldn't have any idea she still wasn't around.

Even in halls it can be ships passing in the night - I remember one weekend, I was wasted on the Friday night and wandered back to halls. just couldn't be bothered doing anything with anyone for the rest of the weekend, so I pretty much turned off my phone and camped out in my room watching DVD box sets. I was coming and going to the shops etc. And even using the communal kitchen but didn't happen to see anyone. On the Monday people asked if I'd had a good weekend back home! Everyone just assumed I'd gone to my dads for the weekend. Technically, I could easily have been dead in my room, or never made it home at all that Friday night.

Rambling a bit but, just saying, I can see how something like this could happen... People at Uni especially live such "individual" lives and just sort of flit about like that. Maybe this does suggest that people should be looking out for each other more, though.

Then again, I guess it wouldn't have changed the outcome here. Even if they had realised within half an hour that something was wrong, it would have been too late.

But they walked across the bridge with her and when CCTV picked them up on the other side she was gone, its not like she left the Club half an hour before them.

[arista]

But they walked started across the bridge with her and when CCTV picked them up on the other side she was gone, its not like she left the Club half an hour before them.


Yes so when leaving Bar's
Stick Together more

[Cherie]

Yes so when leaving Bar's
Stick Together more

You are most wise Arista.

[user104658]

But they walked across the bridge with her and when CCTV picked them up on the other side she was gone, its not like she left the Club half an hour before them.

True, but people do wander off. You can leave a bar with a large group, get to the next bar and realise someone has gone AWOL... you just assume (and it's usually the case) that they've just seen someone they know and gone off to talk to them, or they've deliberately slipped away without saying anything to go home because they were done and telling people that you're going generally prompts people to start trying to convince you to stay out. It's easier to just go.

I'm not saying that it isn't sad that no one noticed or that there isn't a good argument for sending the message, to young people especially, that they should look out for each other whilst out drinking... just that I understand how it happened, and I do feel bad for her friends who will inevitably be blaming themselves already when it was just a tragic accident.

[Nedusa]

True, but people do wander off. You can leave a bar with a large group, get to the next bar and realise someone has gone AWOL... you just assume (and it's usually the case) that they've just seen someone they know and gone off to talk to them, or they've deliberately slipped away without saying anything to go home because they were done and telling people that you're going generally prompts people to start trying to convince you to stay out. It's easier to just go.

I'm not saying that it isn't sad that no one noticed or that there isn't a good argument for sending the message, to young people especially, that they should look out for each other whilst out drinking... just that I understand how it happened, and I do feel bad for her friends who will inevitably be blaming themselves already when it was just a tragic accident.

I agree people do sometimes wander off without saying goodbye, but in this case I think I'm right in saying they ALL left the Club together and they let her wander off on her own in the state she was in.

This is where I feel the people in that group made a terrible misjudgement, they should have either got a cab home or someone should have stayed with her who was less drunk to see her home OK.

You do not let drunken 20 year women go off pissed out of their heads on there own across bridges.

I don't blame the other people for this tragedy BUT I do feel this accident was entirely preventable.

[Z]

I agree people do sometimes wander off without saying goodbye, but in this case I think I'm right in saying they ALL left the Club together and they let her wander off on her own in the state she was in.

This is where I feel the people in that group made a terrible misjudgement, they should have either got a cab home or someone should have stayed with her who was less drunk to see her home OK.

You do not let drunken 20 year women go off pissed out of their heads on there own across bridges.

I don't blame the other people for this tragedy BUT I do feel this accident was entirely preventable.

Yeah I agree with you Nedusa. I can see what Toy Soldier is saying, all very good points, but they were together as a group and in the state they were in decided to walk home. This could have been avoided if somebody hadn't been completely wasted in the group and was keeping an eye on everyone who was in a state; if they'd gotten a taxi or if they'd taken a different route home (perhaps that was the only way they could have walked home, I don't know) - her death was avoidable and it's really sad. I would never let a sober 20 year old woman walk home by herself at night, never mind one who's so drunk that she'd fall over a bridge and into the river, all sorts of terrible things happen to girls who go places by themselves late at night when people have been out drinking... :/

[Ninastar]

Another body found in a York river... a teenage boy this time though. Same scenario apparently, went missing after a night out.

Kinda weird how this never ever happens yet has happened within the space of a week?