Booing her ffs its finale night :(

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Shes been epic....So entertaining, I literally think its really greedy and ungrateful to love watching her and being entertained by her as reflected in all the polls yet turn up and boo her.

Basically chew her up, spit her out.

Is it me aswell or does the crowd seem smaller tonight? Not that that's a bad thing lol.

Please no "OFF OFF OFF's"

[Gstar]

It's nowhere near as bad as speidi last year

[Jake.]

That's the crowd for you

[Shaun]

it wasn't very heavy, tbf

[JPG2502]

Im voting for her. Especially if it pisses the rent a mob off :)

[Seraphim]

I agree. It was a bit sickening. They did give her a reasonable reception when she emerged, though, and hopefully the fact that Sam and Casey went out before her would have given her a bit of a boost. She looked flabberghasted. :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's nowhere near as bad as speidi last year

Well Speidi sucked. So,

[Videostar]

She doesn't care, remember. ;)

[Colbert-Bump]

The crowd cheer a bore like Sam but boo Luisa who has been one of the best housemates ever says everything about their intelligence.

[Pete.]

She doesn't care, remember. ;)
and still didn't in the final

[Slevin]

i dont think the point of this if she cared. just that the crowd are morons for the most part like usual booing someone who was part of most of what went on in the house. dont have to like her but i dont think she deserved boos. i like how she throws it back in their faces though when the doors opened.

[Jemal]

It's nowhere near as bad as speidi last year

This lol
It wasn't that bad. It wasn't even bad?
Other housemates have gotten way worse in the past.

[user104658]

I thought everyone got an OK reception last night to be honest. Hers were a mix of booing and cheering, which I think she would expect, her whole ideology is "be yourself, some people will like you and others won't". It certainly wasn't the blanket "wall of boo" that some housemates in the past have had.

[Gusto Brunt]

I thought the crowd were told not to do that on finals night. As a bit of respect.

[Z]

A bit ridiculous but oh well

[GiRTh]

I think the boos caused her to be slightly defensive in her interview with Emma. Such a shame cuz it would have been nice for her to drop the bravado for once so I hope C5 encourages less booing in the future.

[Patricia4]

She said she's not bothered about anything.

[the truth]

Disagree 100% with the original post here. She was awful, a horrible self centred nasty bore, displayed zero ability to laugh at herself and showed zero humility too....also had the worst voice imaginable. and absolute bore, totally unfunny in every way and also a sexist man hater. oh and a total coward who became lindas bitch , except when linda left to boos. total fraud and imo the leats likeable and least amusing or entertaining.

[Niamh.]

It wasn't so bad, she got some cheers as well, which is an improvement

[arista]

Shes been epic....So entertaining, I literally think its really greedy and ungrateful to love watching her and being entertained by her as reflected in all the polls yet turn up and boo her.

Basically chew her up, spit her out.

Is it me aswell or does the crowd seem smaller tonight? Not that that's a bad thing lol.

Please no "OFF OFF OFF's"



DL'85

Its Panto - You know it is.

You are sounding like a Church person - as you get older.

[flamingGalah!]

Yes Luisa's boo's were of the 'panto' variety, unlike Lee's & Linda's which were true hateful boo's...

[Seraphim]

Disagree 100% with the original post here. She was awful, a horrible self centred nasty bore, displayed zero ability to laugh at herself and showed zero humility too....also had the worst voice imaginable. and absolute bore, totally unfunny in every way and also a sexist man hater. oh and a total coward who became lindas bitch , except when linda left to boos. total fraud and imo the leats likeable and least amusing or entertaining.

I don't think the majority of people share your feelings, because she reached fourth place with absolutely no pre-existing fan base. I imagine she'd have won if she'd entered with an established fanbase. All her votes were earned by her performance on this one programme, and without the advantage of previous involvement in the entertainment industry. There were a great many funny moments, great variety shown in the range of ways she engaged with different people, and it was interesting to see how those relationships developed and changed over time. She is also an intriguing and rather beguiling mix of personal qualities, which may seem almost contradictory. e.g. she's strong-minded yet surprisingly easily led; confident and upfront, yet shy; and so on.

She is just starting out in adult life - one of the youngest in the house. Of all the housemates, she was my favourite by the end.

[rusticgal]

She was entertaining but more for the wrong reasons. She was spiteful, bossy and condescending. She thought it was ok for her to be opinionated and say whatever she liked...but did not like it when she got it back. She accused ollie of being self appreciating in his speech and mocked him...making him look really small. She is selfish and she is the biggest self appreciating people I have seen. How many times did she keep saying...I say what I think...I don't care what anyone thinks...I have friends...a good family...nice house....successful business. :sleep::sleep::sleep:....if that's the case what is she doing on BB. She wants to raise her profile?....be accepted?...
She is a nasty bit of work that's what made her entertaining....that's the reason she stayed as long as she did.
The crowd booed her because she isn't a nice person....that's a good thing because if she can take something from the last3 weeks perhaps she can learn that sometimes in life you need to be diplomatic...think of other peoples feelings and learn to show a little respect...being bossy, goby, cocky and condescending are not great traits to have. She also needs to remember that she may be successful in business now....but she may lose that success in the future.

[Mystic Mock]

Shes been epic....So entertaining, I literally think its really greedy and ungrateful to love watching her and being entertained by her as reflected in all the polls yet turn up and boo her.

Basically chew her up, spit her out.

Is it me aswell or does the crowd seem smaller tonight? Not that that's a bad thing lol.

Please no "OFF OFF OFF's"

Luisa did seem to win the crowd over in her eviction interview though, well done to her on that.

But also if I was Luisa I would embrace the booing as at least it means that you've been talked about.

[the truth]

I don't think the majority of people share your feelings, because she reached fourth place with absolutely no pre-existing fan base. I imagine she'd have won if she'd entered with an established fanbase. All her votes were earned by her performance on this one programme, and without the advantage of previous involvement in the entertainment industry. There were a great many funny moments, great variety shown in the range of ways she engaged with different people, and it was interesting to see how those relationships developed and changed over time. She is also an intriguing and rather beguiling mix of personal qualities, which may seem almost contradictory. e.g. she's strong-minded yet surprisingly easily led; confident and upfront, yet shy; and so on.

She is just starting out in adult life - one of the youngest in the house. Of all the housemates, she was my favourite by the end.


It makes no difference to me who else likes or dislikes her, though I listen to opinions of course. I reject the notion she was entertaining or likeable in any way. I think she is a prime example of how horrible some people are in our society. as a pretend serious business perosn, I would expect most people looking to invest in her business would now run a mile. the fact is what some people call entertaining, spite, malice, vindictiveness, petty arguing , sefl centredness, bullying, verbal abuse etc is not what Id call entertaining, frankly its boring. in real life its destructive and can ruin lives. I dont think she is anything like this deep web of complexities. she is a nasty piece of work plain and simple. she didnt grow as a person at all and sadly she never will.

[Mystic Mock]

So basically you would have Luisa behave like a 12th century Wife then The Truth? And the same to other members that don't seem to like women defending themselves when they are being attacked.

[Slevin]

some people obviously got a hard-on to hate on her pretty harshly as well with other HM. certain people here really like to stick the knife in and twist it when it comes to Luisa. who we all know is the devil incarnate. still so hostile.:joker:

[the truth]

So basically you would have Luisa behave like a 12th century Wife then The Truth? And the same to other members that don't seem to like women defending themselves when they are being attacked.

exaggerated nonsense. this isnt a man woman thing this is an ignorant mean spirited slanderous abusive verbal bully. man or woman its out of order. also she wasnt defending anyone , she was wlays the aggressor always the attacker. PERSON WHO BULLIES IN GROUPS TOO, be interesting to see how school mates who arent in her little group were treated by her in school...a horror of a human being.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

She deserved to be in the top 2 with Jim. not to be harsh but i think Dappys speech about his dad brought in a lot of sympathy votes.

Whatever anyone says she has been the most talked about housemate across all the forums this year and has had so many stand out moments. How anybody can deny she was tv gold in the annoying room I will never know.

[the truth]

she wasnt tv gold in any room. lots of idiots are talked about, thats no measure of anything. certainly not quality.

[Benjamin]

she wasnt tv gold in any room. lots of idiots are talked about, thats no measure of anything. certainly not quality.

Well she was for some so I guess you'll just have to deal with it. :pipe:

[InOne]

She probably got smashed and had a threesome last night so I'm sure she doesn't care.

[Seraphim]

exaggerated nonsense. this isnt a man woman thing this is an ignorant mean spirited slanderous abusive verbal bully. man or woman its out of order. also she wasnt defending anyone , she was wlays the aggressor always the attacker. PERSON WHO BULLIES IN GROUPS TOO, be interesting to see how school mates who arent in her little group were treated by her in school...a horror of a human being.

Seeing things in black/white terms is unrealistic. No-one is all evil or all good. We're a blend of both, and our good qualities usually come with a reverse side which is negative. e.g. Someone with the courage to stand up for what they believe in might also be seen disruptive. Someone who wants to keep the peace will not assert themselves appropriately. There are always two ways to look at things, and only seeing things in black/white terms can be a sign of someone not thinking straight, rather than a true reflection of what's in front of them.

[the truth]

Seeing things in black/white terms is unrealistic. No-one is all evil or all good. We're a blend of both, and our good qualities usually come with a reverse side which is negative. e.g. Someone with the courage to stand up for what they believe in might also be seen disruptive. Someone who wants to keep the peace will not assert themselves appropriately. There are always two ways to look at things, and only seeing things in black/white terms can be a sign of someone not thinking straight, rather than a true reflection of what's in front of them.

im analysing her behaviour and saw nothing good to come from any of it. everyone else had at least some redeemable qualities , not with her though. I see no goodness , sorry

[the truth]

Well she was for some so I guess you'll just have to deal with it. :pipe:

I can deal with that, people like different things. carry on

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Seeing things in black/white terms is unrealistic. No-one is all evil or all good. We're a blend of both, and our good qualities usually come with a reverse side which is negative. e.g. Someone with the courage to stand up for what they believe in might also be seen disruptive. Someone who wants to keep the peace will not assert themselves appropriately. There are always two ways to look at things, and only seeing things in black/white terms can be a sign of someone not thinking straight, rather than a true reflection of what's in front of them.

I wish I could get my point across like that lol brilliant post and I totally agree.

[Slevin]

Seeing things in black/white terms is unrealistic. No-one is all evil or all good. We're a blend of both, and our good qualities usually come with a reverse side which is negative. e.g. Someone with the courage to stand up for what they believe in might also be seen disruptive. Someone who wants to keep the peace will not assert themselves appropriately. There are always two ways to look at things, and only seeing things in black/white terms can be a sign of someone not thinking straight, rather than a true reflection of what's in front of them.
:thumbs:

[Seraphim]

.. she wasnt defending anyone (herself) , she was wlays the aggressor always the attacker. PERSON WHO BULLIES IN GROUPS TOO, be interesting to see how school mates who arent in her little group were treated by her in school...a horror of a human being.

A bully is someone who repeatedly targets someone whom they perceive as weaker. Someone defending themself against criticism is not being a bully.

Dappy criticised Luisa over something she had said. His comments were sexist and hypocritical, and she pointed this out. Dappy became hectoring and obnoxious. Dappy has a criminal record for harrassing/bullying a woman who criticised him.

Lionel entered into the naughty room fun. Afterwards he turned on Luisa, blaming her for everything. Luisa defended herself. Neither was bullying.

Luisa "took the piss" from Ollie, and if the situation had been reversed, she'd have laughed and joined in. She first explained, then apologised sincerely when Ollie remained upset. This is not bullying.

Luisa / Jim both criticised each other during the nominations, which was part of the game. Luisa got irritated with Jim when she was cooking, because he was being interfering, controlling and perfectionistic. Luisa lectured Jim after his "Martyr Jim" performance because he slept on the floor, etc. Jim is bigger, stronger and tougher than Luisa, and she acknowledged it in saying that Linda protected her from Jim.

A typical bully would target someone vulnerable like Casey, but Luisa was supportive and sympathetic to Casey and told Lee "You can't treat people like that."

[billy123]

Her behaviour was pretty vile though.
Not the most pleasant housemate so the booing was hardly suprising.

[the truth]

A bully is someone who repeatedly targets someone whom they perceive as weaker. Someone defending themself against criticism is not being a bully.

Dappy criticised Luisa over something she had said. His comments were sexist and hypocritical, and she pointed this out. Dappy became hectoring and obnoxious. Dappy has a criminal record for harrassing/bullying a woman who criticised him.

Lionel entered into the naughty room fun. Afterwards he turned on Luisa, blaming her for everything. Luisa defended herself. Neither was bullying.

Luisa "took the piss" from Ollie, and if the situation had been reversed, she'd have laughed and joined in. She first explained, then apologised sincerely when Ollie remained upset. This is not bullying.

Luisa / Jim both criticised each other during the nominations, which was part of the game. Luisa got irritated with Jim when she was cooking, because he was being interfering, controlling and perfectionistic. Luisa lectured Jim after his "Martyr Jim" performance because he slept on the floor, etc. Jim is bigger, stronger and tougher than Luisa, and she acknowledged it in saying that Linda protected her from Jim.

A typical bully would target someone vulnerable like Casey, but Luisa was supportive and sympathetic to Casey and told Lee "You can't treat people like that."

she name called dappy she name called jim she labelled them endlessly day after day wrongly. she also dragged dappys mother into the argument at the first opprtunity which then escalaated the situation. she carried gossip back and forth amongst people throughout the show, deliberately creating conflict and upset. which makes her preaching to lee even more hypocritical...she joined a group in singling out jim throughout and bullying him verbally....labelling him a sexist pg with zero evidence or justification for doing so...she played up to her gang of bullies with abusive nominations too....she also acted with others in ridiculing and mocking ollie with the attempt to humiliate him....clearly she was concerned he was becoming more popular than her. which it ended up he was. ....she went into the room with lionel and she stole stuff and defied all rules....lionel did not blame her for everything, she however tried to lay most blame on him, wrongly....she failed to accept her own responsibility for cheating....she screamed and abused an 82 year old, no doubt partly because he was a man.....she also demanded equal rights yet she then went mad when a man dared treating her the same way....what a complete hypocrite.....additonally she then changed spots when linda went and admitted she had no reason to label jim sexist and had no evidence at all....

she admitted it was probably to do with linda and the group, so she is not only a group bully but also a spineless coward too.....just as she left she changed spots again going back to being a person who doesnt give a s%it about anyone...greta philosophy...her interview was shallow mean spirited and plain pathetic.


she is a sexist man hating bully. a vile attention seeker, whose claims to be a serious business person ended a long time ago. her crass trashy abusive behaviour is a disgrace and an appalling example to her daughter

[Seraphim]

Her behaviour was pretty vile though.
Not the most pleasant housemate so the booing was hardly suprising.

Which behaviour was vile?

[Seraphim]

her crass trashy abusive behaviour is a disgrace and an appalling example to her daughter


This is a complete joke coming from a Jim Davidson fan.

As for the rest.. you were obviously watching a different programme, because in the one I watched, Luisa had one argument with Dappy, then made friends and remained friends thereafter, saying that she liked Dappy. She frequently tried to mediate in difficulties between HMs, which you have unfortunately misinterpreted. All the housemates disliked Jim because he was winding Linda up, and over time, especially after the FC dressingroom incident, Luisa came to dislike Jim and feel more loyal to Linda, which was evident in her behaviour. After she saw things more objectively from the Kennel and Linda left, she didn't say she liked Jim.. she just decided to give him another chance, and Jim pulled out all the stops to lay on the charm so he'd win the competition.

Even when Luisa was given the opportunity to slate Jim in her campaign, she made a more jokey campaign against Lee. Unlike Jim who launched a nasty, spiteful, unfunny campaign against her looks. That is when he lost my vote.

[the truth]

as for this I or others here dont like powerful women, what a load of nonsense. iI just dont like luisa....looking at my tv schedule , with women everywhere...Im currently sky plusisng the wonderful alex polizzi on hotel inspector, in between melinda messenger getting cowboy builders sorted, kirsie allsop is another powerful lady who I think is brilliant, sur barker is the face of british tennis and she is quite brilliant....clare balding excellent....all good strong forthright people....their gender is irrelevant really....theyre just good at what they do and they do it with some degree of integrity, decency honest and respect...etc etc this is the tip of the iceberg... I employ women , I also emply a woman as a manager of one of my businesses and I act on everything she says even when she has a pop at me lol..Ive worked with 100s of women over the years and I do mean 100s and I guarantee all of them enjoyed working with me...I dont cross the line I dont provoke or insult people I get on with women...But i reserve the right to call a woman like luisa exactly what she is....women speak their minds , so can men...if someone is honest , decent , loyal , kind and hard working they get my seal of approval. I dont consider luisa any of these things. I plain dont like her at all.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

she name called dappy she name called jim she labelled them endlessly day after day wrongly. she also dragged dappys mother into the argument at the first opprtunity which then escalaated the situation. she carried gossip back and forth amongst people throughout the show, deliberately creating conflict and upset. which makes her preaching to lee even more hypocritical...she joined a group in singling out jim throughout and bullying him verbally....labelling him a sexist pg with zero evidence or justification for doing so...she played up to her gang of bullies with abusive nominations too....she also acted with others in ridiculing and mocking ollie with the attempt to humiliate him....clearly she was concerned he was becoming more popular than her. which it ended up he was. ....she went into the room with lionel and she stole stuff and defied all rules....lionel did not blame her for everything, she however tried to lay most blame on him, wrongly....she failed to accept her own responsibility for cheating....she screamed and abused an 82 year old, no doubt partly because he was a man.....she also demanded equal rights yet she then went mad when a man dared treating her the same way....what a complete hypocrite.....additonally she then changed spots when linda went and admitted she had no reason to label jim sexist and had no evidence at all....

she admitted it was probably to do with linda and the group, so she is not only a group bully but also a spineless coward too.....just as she left she changed spots again going back to being a person who doesnt give a s%it about anyone...greta philosophy...her interview was shallow mean spirited and plain pathetic.


she is a sexist man hating bully. a vile attention seeker, whose claims to be a serious business person ended a long time ago. her crass trashy abusive behaviour is a disgrace and an appalling example to her daughter

:joker:

Im pretty sure Luisa is a BIG fan of men. One of her closest friends was Dappy and Dappy admitted to liking Luisa but still nominated her.

Theres so much in this post which is total opposite of what we actually saw, its very biased, lets people off the hook for age or sex and turns everything on Luisa. Its just hilarious to read but everyone is entitled to their opinion wether or not its one that most people would not agree with.

[the truth]

This is a complete joke coming from a Jim Davidson fan.

As for the rest.. you were obviously watching a different programme, because in the one I watched, Luisa had one argument with Dappy, then made friends and remained friends thereafter, saying that she liked Dappy. She frequently tried to mediate in difficulties between HMs, which you have unfortunately misinterpreted. All the housemates disliked Jim because he was winding Linda up, and over time, especially after the FC dressingroom, Luisa came to dislike Jim and feel more loyal to Linda, which was evident in her behaviour. After she saw things more objectively from the Kennel and Linda left, she didn't say she liked Jim.. she just decided to give him another chance, and Jim pulled out all the stops to lay on the charm so he'd win the competition.

Even when Luisa was given the opportunity to slate Jim in her campaign, she made a more jokey campaign against Lee. Unlike Jim who launched a nasty, spiteful, unfunny campaign against her looks. That is when he lost my vote.

100% wrong. she insulted and attacked jimbo from even before they entered the house, then she continued bullying her mercilessly almost 24 hours a day. everyone can see that.luisa only admitted to part of it after linda had gone. she showed herself up to be a spineless bully. as for mediating you need to rewatch she was deliberately carrying gossip and everytime she "mediated" the situation became much much worse. she did this hatchet job several times. she says she gives it and cantake it. well imbo gave it back and guess what she couldnt take it....neither could linda.....nor liz.....no man should swear at a woman? yeah right after being abused and bullied and slandered and sworn at all day every day for over 3 weeks...a man doesnt have a right of reply. everyone has a right to an opinion but luisa went out of her way to hurt and slander peoiple and create conflict. you have totlaly misunderstood who she is and what her intentions were in the show

[the truth]

:joker:

Im pretty sure Luisa is a BIG fan of men. One of her closest friends was Dappy and Dappy admitted to liking Luisa but still nominated her.

Theres so much in this post which is total opposite of what we actually saw, its very biased, lets people off the hook for age or sex and turns everything on Luisa. Its just hilarious to read but everyone is entitled to their opinion wether or not its one that most people would not agree with.

not as hilarious as your endless anti hetro men posts over the months:joker:

[Seraphim]

:joker:

Im pretty sure Luisa is a BIG fan of men. One of her closest friends was Dappy and Dappy admitted to liking Luisa but still nominated her.

Theres so much in this post which is total opposite of what we actually saw, its very biased, lets people off the hook for age or sex and turns everything on Luisa. Its just hilarious to read but everyone is entitled to their opinion wether or not its one that most people would not agree with.

:thumbs:

Great post.

[Beso]

the crowd weren't boing her for being a **** housemate, they were boing her for the type of housemate she was.

she should be well chuffed.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

not as hilarious as your endless anti hetro men posts over the months:joker:

:joker:

Please find evidence of this, every thread you post in 99% of the time sexism comes into it. I really don't get it.

I love straight men, LOVE THEM! I would never ever go out with a camp guy and every bf ive had has slept with woman or been in the army or a bouncer, so only 3 bf's but still lol.

But enough about me lets get back on topic.

[Beso]

:joker:

Please find evidence of this.

you called me a shirt straightener once.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

you called me a shirt straightener once.

HUH? That's a joke right?

[Seraphim]

not as hilarious as your endless anti hetro men posts over the months:joker:

It's easy to see now why you are a fan of Jim.

[Beso]

HUH? That's a joke right?

:whistle:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

:whistle:

I didn't even know that was a term lol.

[Seraphim]

the crowd weren't boing her for being a **** housemate, they were boing her for the type of housemate she was.

she should be well chuffed.

She should be well chuffed that she emerged to mainly cheers.

The strongest disapproval of Luisa I read here and elsewhere was of the fact that she admitted to going to sex parties.

It was interesting that no-one batted an eyelid here and elsewhere when Jim said he'd gone to more sex parties than Luisa.

[the truth]

She should be well chuffed that she emerged to mainly cheers.

The strongest disapproval of Luisa I read here and elsewhere was of the fact that she admitted to going to sex parties.

It was interesting that no-one batted an eyelid here and elsewhere when Jim said he'd gone to more sex parties than Luisa.

I didnt mention the sex parties. though I personally wouldnt shag 5 people in one night, I think thats disgusting regardless if its jim or luisa doing it

[the truth]

:joker:

Please find evidence of this, every thread you post in 99% of the time sexism comes into it. I really don't get it.

I love straight men, LOVE THEM! I would never ever go out with a camp guy and every bf ive had has slept with woman or been in the army or a bouncer, so only 3 bf's but still lol.

But enough about me lets get back on topic.

your track record on here is plenty of proof enough, I suggest you re read your own threads lol Id rather not....pro women anti hetro men is the pattern 99% of the time and the rest of the time you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted, pathetic.

[Seraphim]

as for this I or others here dont like powerful women, what a load of nonsense. iI just dont like luisa....looking at my tv schedule , with women everywhere...Im currently sky plusisng the wonderful alex polizzi on hotel inspector, in between melinda messenger getting cowboy builders sorted, kirsie allsop is another powerful lady who I think is brilliant, sur barker is the face of british tennis and she is quite brilliant....clare balding excellent....all good strong forthright people....their gender is irrelevant really....theyre just good at what they do and they do it with some degree of integrity, decency honest and respect...etc etc this is the tip of the iceberg... I employ women , I also emply a woman as a manager of one of my businesses and I act on everything she says even when she has a pop at me lol..Ive worked with 100s of women over the years and I do mean 100s and I guarantee all of them enjoyed working with me...I dont cross the line I dont provoke or insult people I get on with women...But i reserve the right to call a woman like luisa exactly what she is....women speak their minds , so can men...if someone is honest , decent , loyal , kind and hard working they get my seal of approval. I dont consider luisa any of these things. I plain dont like her at all.

You're entitled to your opinion, but if you give skewed, unjust or prejudicial reasons for that opinion, then people are going to point that out.

You cannot compare people's behaviour on serious TV programmes and in a business setting with anyone's behaviour once they've had a few drinks in the BB house.

You cannot pigeonhole and stereotype women and impose your own expectations on them according to your narrow view of how they should behave. As a society we choose to define what we consider to be acceptable behaviour, and nothing Luisa did or has ever done, to my knowledge, broke any laws.

[the truth]

You're entitled to your opinion, but if you give skewed, unjust or prejudicial reasons for that opinion, then people are going to point that out.

You cannot compare people's behaviour on serious TV programmes and in a business setting with anyone's behaviour once they've had a few drinks in the BB house.

You cannot pigeonhole and stereotype women and impose your own expectations on them according to your narrow view of how they should behave. As a society we choose to define what we consider to be acceptable behaviour, and nothing Luisa did or has ever done, to my knowledge, broke any laws.

I can do what I like and I havent pigeon holed antone, thats a total false allegation. were not talking about laws....theres far more to life and behaviour than laws? what an absurd way to measure people behaviour. she s ahorrible person. regardless of gender.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

your track record on here is plenty of proof enough, I suggest you re read your own threads lol Id rather not....pro women anti hetro men is the pattern 99% of the time and the rest of the time you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted, pathetic.

Not true and please stop these allegations now its totally untrue and plain boring.

I give examples of how im not a hetrophobe and they get ignored and just another insult is thrown back instead. Mods infract people for their behaviour so everyone is responsible for their own posts and opinions and should not be blamed on another forum member.

Who turned this thread into yet another debate of sexism and personal insults? Not me.

Im so sick of people thinking forum members judge the housemates on their sex, sexuality, age or race. Im pretty sure we judge on the person wether they have a ovaries or a ball bag.

I have never posted a "Why is it ok for a man to do this but not a woman" thread as yours are mostly but in reverse order.

[Seraphim]

I can do what I like and I havent pigeon holed antone, thats a total false allegation. were not talking about laws....theres far more to life and behaviour than laws? what an absurd way to measure people behaviour. she s ahorrible person. regardless of gender.

What I meant by pigeon-holing is that you have a tight little mould of how you think women should behave. If you think that Sue Barker, Kirstie Allsop or Alex Polizzi would have let Jim Davidson , Dappy or Lionel Blair off the hook in similar circumstances then you're barking mad.

To judge from your offensive treatment of Daniel above, you have an equally tight little mould of how you think men should behave.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

What I meant by pigeon-holing is that you have a tight little mould of how you think women should behave. If you think that Sue Barker, Kirstie Allsop or Alex Polizzi would have let Jim Davidson , Dappy or Lionel Blair off the hook in similar circumstances then you're barking mad.

To judge from your offensive treatment of Daniel above, you have an equally tight little mould of how you think men should behave.

Exactly.

:spin:

[Seraphim]

I like you Daniel-Lewis-1985. You're fair, open-minded and generous spirited.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I like you Daniel-Lewis-1985. You're fair, open-minded and generous spirited.

Likewise, its nice to see a poster who responds with examples on both sides of an argument not be so black and white nor list of a load of abusive allegations against a housemate.

Theres more truth in The Daily Star than some other comments on here.

[Arrow]

Louisa deserved to get booed would of been first evicted if it was not for' friendship' established befor she entered the house she was fake and transparent

claimed half the house were game players yet was the biggest one in there she hated it if others where getting camera her biggest problem is her ego

[the truth]

What I meant by pigeon-holing is that you have a tight little mould of how you think women should behave. If you think that Sue Barker, Kirstie Allsop or Alex Polizzi would have let Jim Davidson , Dappy or Lionel Blair off the hook in similar circumstances then you're barking mad.

To judge from your offensive treatment of Daniel above, you have an equally tight little mould of how you think men should behave.

utter nonsense. Youre guilty of reverse sexism now

[Seraphim]

utter nonsense. Youre guilty of reverse sexism now

Why is that? You have never told me which sex you are, and it makes no difference to me or any of the comments I've made.

[the truth]

Louisa deserved to get booed would of been first evicted if it was not for' friendship' established befor she entered the house she was fake and transparent

claimed half the house were game players yet was the biggest one in there she hated it if others where getting camera her biggest problem is her ego

agreed she was horrific. but according to these other posters Im not allowed to say that and theyre playing the feminist card yet again , saying somehow I am offending and pigeon holing all women on the planet :joker:because I think luisa is revolting? lol you couldnt make this nonsense up.

[the truth]

Why is that? You have never told me which sex you are, and it makes no difference to me or any of the comments I've made.

because youre accusing me of pigeon holing ALL women just because I dont like your hero lusia, that is reverse sexism to imply and falsely labely someone as somehow anti women just because they dont like an individual as vile as luisa

[Seraphim]

Louisa deserved to get booed would of been first evicted if it was not for' friendship' established befor she entered the house she was fake and transparent

claimed half the house were game players yet was the biggest one in there she hated it if others where getting camera her biggest problem is her ego

I agree that she has a big ego, and that it's a problem, but are you saying it's bigger than any of the other finalists??? :laugh2:

[the truth]

I agree that she has a big ego, and that it's a problem, but are you saying it's bigger than any of the other finalists??? :laugh2:

of course it was. she even said dappy was somehow beneath her and she couldnt discuss things with someone so much less intelligent
she endlessly complained how all the other housemates thought they were bigshots and they werent. yet no one over rated her own talents more than luisa. shes not even a celebrity.....evander was the 4 time heavyweight champion of the world....a man who had spent nearly 50 years of his life working trainging perfecting his skills in endless wars to become the best of the best. that deserves respect. jim 30 years entertaining and making people laugh. lee a member of a top boy band for years selling millions of records and entertaining millions more.....the nolans were a big band and had years at the top, dappy and ndubz are very popular , not my cup of team, but she showed no respect at all for people who had worked hard for many many years to achieve what they did.

[Arrow]

I agree that she has a big ego, and that it's a problem, but are you saying it's bigger than any of the other finalists??? :laugh2:

yes


she only said sorry to ollie after casey told her to having to egg her on to actuality do it then it wasent a sorry she just tried to justify her actions and put part of the blame on him


Did she ever say sorry to jim? did she ever thank jim?
refused to take the blame for the way she treated jim decided it was more convenient to throw linda under the bus and blame her

She only said sorry to dappy after he offered her the olive branch
felt she could talk to other people like **** but how dare they tell her some home truths


She is very quick to point out someone's flaws but wont accept any of hers

[daniel-lewis-1985]

utter nonsense. Youre guilty of reverse sexism now

Reverse Sexism doesn't exist.

If you saw both sexes as equal it should simply be called "sexism" but you don't.

[the truth]

Reverse Sexism doesn't exist.

If you saw both sexes as equal it should simply be called "sexism" but you don't.

yes it does. youre just in denial

[daniel-lewis-1985]

yes it does. youre just in denial

LOL sexism should just be that, SEXISM. No reverse put infront of it. If you truly thought both sexes were equal then it shouldn't be labelled differently.

Its just like when people call 2 men getting married a "gay marriage" why isn't it just a marriage?

A person who refers to something which is the same action in a different way is the person who is the sexist, the homophobe or any other "ism" you care to throw out there if its being discussed in a serious manner as you are.

That person or group have a superiority complex hence them needing to label things and pigeon whole certain groups as different.

Wether they know they are doing it or not it IS pigeon holing a group of individuals.

[Seraphim]

because youre accusing me of pigeon holing ALL women just because I dont like your hero lusia, that is reverse sexism to imply and falsely labely someone as somehow anti women just because they dont like an individual as vile as luisa

I didn't accuse you of sexism or of being anti-women. I said you have a narrow idea of how a woman should behave because of everything you said in your post 43 in this thread.

At the end of your post you said that you expect women to be:

"honest , decent , loyal , kind and hard working".

Yet you are a fan of Jim Davidson, whose behaviour and remarks to Casey were inappropriate, given that his 5th wife was watching. His 4th marriage ended because of his affair with Debbie Corrigan. He wasn't honest when he denied bringing up Frank Carson's dressing room. His previous behaviour included bragging and joking about giving his wife black eyes in his autobiography. Here's a recent article I read about him:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261364/Jim-Davidson-cheated-wife--I-16-The-dancer-year-long-affair-arrested-comedian-defends-perfect-gent-seduced-her.html

Jim is far from perfect.

I have been accused on this forum countless times of being a "Jim fan" because I can be objective and comment on good things about him. I don't want to criticise anyone, but I am pointing out a certain anomaly between what you expect from women, and what you accept in men.

[the truth]

I didn't accuse you of sexism or of being anti-women. I said you have a narrow idea of how a woman should behave because of everything you said in your post 43 in this thread.

At the end of your post you said that you expect women to be:

"honest , decent , loyal , kind and hard working".

Yet you are a fan of Jim Davidson, whose behaviour and remarks to Casey were inappropriate, given that his 5th wife was watching. His 4th marriage ended because of his affair with Debbie Corrigan. He wasn't honest when he denied bringing up Frank Carson's dressing room. His previous behaviour included bragging and joking about giving his wife black eyes in his autobiography. Here's a recent article I read about him:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261364/Jim-Davidson-cheated-wife--I-16-The-dancer-year-long-affair-arrested-comedian-defends-perfect-gent-seduced-her.html

Jim is far from perfect.

I have been accused on this forum countless times of being a "Jim fan" because I can be objective and comment on good things about him. I don't want to criticise anyone, but I am pointing out a certain anomaly between what you expect from women, and what you accept in men.


youre living in the dark ages

comics these days do make double entendres, riske jokes and those with humour know its just a joke....also mens rights have evolved since the 1990s men are allowed to verbally stick up for themselves now and fight fire with fire
women are now tough enough to take the verbals they give out too....except luisa is decades behind the times, she thinks she can hide behind the fact she has a fufu to dish out bullying abuse....she cant she needs to catch up with mens rights

[sassysocks]

Shes been epic....So entertaining, I literally think its really greedy and ungrateful to love watching her and being entertained by her as reflected in all the polls yet turn up and boo her.

Basically chew her up, spit her out.

Is it me aswell or does the crowd seem smaller tonight? Not that that's a bad thing lol.

Please no "OFF OFF OFF's"

Silly brainless girls who don't have the brain cells to realise by hating on a woman for being brave enough to stand up to the sexist sterotypes still rife in today's society - they only condone and reinforce an attitude and behaviour that will one day have a negative impact on their own lives.

Sexism affects all women, including them, they don't seem to understand that. Bunch of idiots. Give me a brazen woman like Luisa to a bunch of weak conditioned robots like the females in that audience.

[Seraphim]

Silly brainless girls who don't have the brain cells to realise by hating on a woman for being brave enough to stand up to the sexist sterotypes still rife in today's society - they only condone and reinforce an attitude and behaviour that will one day have a negative impact on their own lives.

Sexism affects all women, including them, they don't seem to understand that. Bunch of idiots. Give me a brazen woman like Luisa to a bunch of weak conditioned robots like the females in that audience.

:worship:

[sassysocks]

:worship:


What is it they say - great minds think alike.

Seriously though, in this day and age I cannot fathom why so many young girls who benefit from the 'freedoms' they have today, denied women previously, seemingly despise, strong, independent women. All many seem to want to do is 'fit in' and seek approval and popularity with men by conforming to sexual double standards. I think what they really despite is their own lack of confidence and their weakness leading to jealousy of women who do have the backbone.

People should stop worrying about the sexual behaviour of consenting adults regardless of their gender - it should be irrelevant, and just concern themselves with their own personal values.

[flamingGalah!]

Then surely that 'freedom' that women have also applies to them being able to think for themselves & judge as they see fit?? For you to slag off women for not fitting into your own defined little box stinks far more than whatever opinions they may have...

[sassysocks]

Then surely that 'freedom' that women have also applies to them being able to think for themselves & judge as they see fit?? For you to slag off women for not fitting into your own defined little box stinks far more than whatever opinions they may have...

Maybe - but their inability to either understand or care about the effect their views and behaviour has on women as a whole is extremely frustrating.

Many of the young ones will change their views when they acquire some real life experience and see the damage such views can cause to them as women, but that doesn't stop the frustration of others at the naivity of their youth.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Can we not just get off the topic of sexism?

Its in every thread now and is getting BORING!

[Seraphim]

Can we not just get off the topic of sexism?

Its in every thread now and is getting BORING!

The problem started with this post, Daniel:

Disagree 100% with the original post here. She was awful, a horrible self centred nasty bore, displayed zero ability to laugh at herself and showed zero humility too....also had the worst voice imaginable. and absolute bore, totally unfunny in every way and also a sexist man hater. oh and a total coward who became lindas bitch , except when linda left to boos. total fraud and imo the leats likeable and least amusing or entertaining.

The same poster tried to justify his/her views and in doing so, dug a deeper and deeper hole for himself/herself. I don't see anything wrong with engaging in a debate about how societal sexism translates itself into the voting choices of the BB viewers, and how an assertive young woman's behaviour is misinterpreted by others who have been influenced by social conditioning.

I find it quite interesting, actually.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

The problem started with this post, Daniel:



The same poster tried to justify his/her views and in doing so, dug a deeper and deeper hole for himself/herself. I don't see anything wrong with engaging in a debate about how societal sexism translates itself into the voting choices of the BB viewers, and how an assertive young woman's behaviour is misinterpreted by others who have been influenced by social conditioning.

I find it quite interesting, actually.

I don't find it interesting at all seeing as the user who posted that comment posts the same thing in every thread turning it into a heated debate about sexism ect which will never end because neither person will back down and get over it.

I thought I had silenced HIM with my response to which he had no comeback but then other people took the bait and this thread has snowballed again into such an over discussed topic on here.

Seriously sexism really needs its own sticky thread its just dominating and ruining every topic.

[the truth]

The problem started with this post, Daniel:



The same poster tried to justify his/her views and in doing so, dug a deeper and deeper hole for himself/herself. I don't see anything wrong with engaging in a debate about how societal sexism translates itself into the voting choices of the BB viewers, and how an assertive young woman's behaviour is misinterpreted by others who have been influenced by social conditioning.

I find it quite interesting, actually.

it is a shame social conditioning allows us to stereotype and slander men without fear of impingement, yet we do not have such carte blanche to slag off women.....I relaly feel this misandry is rpevalent now throughout society and is creating many of our social disorders. the misandrists , the man haters and the self loathing males are like dinosaurs about 30 years behond the times.....men have had less rights, less support, less charities, less money spent on their health and legal support , less support for fathers, less support for boys flaling behind in classes and less support and less recognotion of the fact male suicides are 4 times the rate of female suicides across the entire world....posters misandrists and hetrophobes choose to ignore this and show they dont give a damn. this tells you a lot about the passive aggressive male hate that is rife in this country....time we evolved and looked at the massive imbalance against men

[daniel-lewis-1985]

it is a shame social conditioning allows us to stereotype and slander men without fear of impingement, yet we do not have such carte blanche to slag off women.....I relaly feel this misandry is rpevalent now throughout society and is creating many of our social disorders. the misandrists , the man haters and the self loathing males are like dinosaurs about 30 years behond the times.....men have had less rights, less support, less charities, less money spent on their health and legal support , less support for fathers, less support for boys flaling behind in classes and less support and less recognotion of the fact male suicides are 4 times the rate of female suicides across the entire world....posters misandrists and hetrophobes choose to ignore this and show they dont give a damn. this tells you a lot about the passive aggressive male hate that is rife in this country....time we evolved and looked at the massive imbalance against men

You seem to slag off women quite well.

She was awful, a horrible self centred nasty bore, displayed zero ability to laugh at herself and showed zero humility too....also had the worst voice imaginable. and absolute bore, totally unfunny in every way and also a sexist man hater. oh and a total coward who became lindas bitch , except when linda left to boos. total fraud

I don't think one thread has been made from any other member talking about Jim solely based on him being a man. It's irrelevant.

Don't you agree that we shouldn't judge someone on their genitalia but instead just focus on their character?

Constantly dragging up the "ism" talk is going round in circles and quite frankly is going very overboard. I made a thread about Luisa getting booed and now its turned into statistics including male suicide, men's rights and education?

I don't think the crowd booing are intelligent enough to boo her because of those reasons lol.

[the truth]

You seem to slag off women quite well.

She was awful, a horrible self centred nasty bore, displayed zero ability to laugh at herself and showed zero humility too....also had the worst voice imaginable. and absolute bore, totally unfunny in every way and also a sexist man hater. oh and a total coward who became lindas bitch , except when linda left to boos. total fraud

I don't think one thread has been made from any other member talking about Jim solely based on him being a man. It's irrelevant.

Don't you agree that we shouldn't judge someone on their genitalia but instead just focus on their character?

Constantly dragging up the "ism" talk is going round in circles and quite frankly is going very overboard. I made a thread about Luisa getting booed and now its turned into statistics including male suicide, men's rights and education?

I don't think the crowd booing are intelligent enough to boo her because of those reasons lol.

thats a woman not women, so youre wrong, yet again.
as always you show zero empathy for male issues and problems.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

thats a woman not women, so youre wrong, yet again.
as always you show zero empathy for male issues and problems.

Really? A childish comeback? In the previous post you were talking about Linda as well as women in general and their rights, that's WOMEN so you're wrong.

You even mention the word WOMEN lol.

I am a male just so you're aware, so this whole male rights argument is void, I just don't think poor me, poor me im so hard done by.

[the truth]

Really? A childish comeback? In the previous post you were talking about Linda as well as women in general and their rights, that's WOMEN so you're wrong.

You even mention the word WOMEN lol.

I am a male just so you're aware, so this whole male rights argument is void, I just don't think poor me, poor me im so hard done by.

Its not void at all. what a vapid statement

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Its not void at all. what a vapid statement

You acknowledged nothing else in that post lol. Over this sexist chat now anyway you will allways think men are poor victims in society and women get away with whatever they want.

I'll continue to stay away from generalising people and pigeon holing groups, just causes conflict and division.

[the truth]

You acknowledged nothing else in that post lol. Over this sexist chat now anyway you will allways think men are poor victims in society and women get away with whatever they want.

I'll continue to stay away from generalising people and pigeon holing groups, just causes conflict and division.

try and quit the male bashing its getting tedious

[daniel-lewis-1985]

try and quit the male bashing its getting tedious

Where am I male bashing? LOL Please show me because you constantly call me a heterophobe and when I ask for you to show me how you think I am you have nothing.

Don't accuse if you cant be arsed to back yourself up, I was commenting on your general opinion which is well known after all the threads. I said nothing directly insulting towards men.

Again let me emphasise I AM A MAN lol

[the truth]

Where am I male bashing? LOL Please show me because you constantly call me a heterophobe and when I ask for you to show me how you think I am you have nothing.

Don't accuse if you cant be arsed to back yourself up, I was commenting on your general opinion which is well known after all the threads. I said nothing directly insulting towards men.

Again let me emphasise I AM A MAN lol

being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly, still best to move on as youre trolling for an infraction as always

[Seraphim]

men have had less rights, less support, less charities, less money spent on their health and legal support , less support for fathers, less support for boys flaling behind in classes

If this is true then it is entirely men's fault, since they dominate the political and legal arenas which make the laws, and hold most of the top spots in media outlets which influence people's views. It is not true, however. Men and women have equal rights by law in the UK and there is equal support available to them in the health and education services. Less support for fathers is generally because the mothers normally take more responsibility for child-rearing.


and less support and less recognotion of the fact male suicides are 4 times the rate of female suicides across the entire world....posters misandrists and hetrophobes choose to ignore this and show they dont give a damn. this tells you a lot about the passive aggressive male hate that is rife in this country....time we evolved and looked at the massive imbalance against men

I agree that the rate of young males who commit suicide is higher than that of women. In this thread, we have seen you launch a personal attack on a young male poster because his view differed from your own. Rather than engaging on the issues he raised, here is a selection of what you wrote to him:

"anti hetro men"
"you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted"
"pathetic."
"zero empathy for male issues and problems."
"what a vapid statement"
"quit the male bashing its getting tedious"
"being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly,"

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal. It's not typical in my social group, thank goodness.

I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.

Thank goodness the world is changing, and people are creating more healthy and nurturing relationships with others, regardless of sex, views, race, colour, creed, etc.. That's not to say things are perfect, but we're a work in progress.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

If this is true then it is entirely men's fault, since they dominate the political and legal arenas which make the laws, and hold most of the top spots in media outlets which influence people's views. It is not true, however. Men and women have equal rights by law in the UK and there is equal support available to them in the health and education services. Less support for fathers is generally because the mothers normally take more responsibility for child-rearing.



I agree that the rate of young males who commit suicide is higher than that of women. In this thread, we have seen you launch a personal attack on a young male poster because his view differed from your own. Rather than engaging on the issues he raised, here is a selection of what you wrote to him:

"anti hetro men"
"you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted"
"pathetic."
"zero empathy for male issues and problems."
"what a vapid statement"
"quit the male bashing its getting tedious"
"being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly,"

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal. It's not typical in my social group, thank goodness.

I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.

Thank goodness the world is changing, and people are creating more healthy and nurturing relationships with others, regardless of sex, views, race, colour, creed, etc.. That's not to say things are perfect, but we're a work in progress.

Brilliant post, and not just coz its backing me lol I just agree with the whole thing.

[Seraphim]

Where am I male bashing? LOL Please show me because you constantly call me a heterophobe and when I ask for you to show me how you think I am you have nothing.

Don't accuse if you cant be arsed to back yourself up, I was commenting on your general opinion which is well known after all the threads. I said nothing directly insulting towards men.

Again let me emphasise I AM A MAN lol

:laugh:

I might be one too, for all he knows. ;)

[abhorson]

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal.


This is one of the most ridiculous statements i have heard for some time.

[Seraphim]

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal.


This is one of the most ridiculous statements i have heard for some time.

If a child grows up with constant verbal abuse and is continually undermined rather than being taken seriously, they may well end up suicidal. It's not ridiculous. I know what I am talking about, because my entire career has been in the field of emotionally supporting youngsters with social, emotional and psychiatric problems. That includes youngsters who attempted suicide.

Edit to add: I should possibly have added that I wasn't being particularly serious when I wrote that statement. Even though I can justify it. lol

[abhorson]

If a child is continually undermined rather than being taken seriously, they may well feel suicidal. It's not ridiculous. I know what I am talking about, because my entire career has been in the field of emotionally supporting youngsters with social, emotional and psychiatric problems.


No better than whom you are attacking imo.

[Seraphim]

No better than whom you are attacking imo.

I don't really see why you feel the need to suddenly jump in and accuse me of attacking truth because I make some observations about the bile which he has been pouring towards anyone in this thread who doesn't share his views.

Do you agree with him?

[the truth]

If this is true then it is entirely men's fault, since they dominate the political and legal arenas which make the laws, and hold most of the top spots in media outlets which influence people's views. It is not true, however. Men and women have equal rights by law in the UK and there is equal support available to them in the health and education services. Less support for fathers is generally because the mothers normally take more responsibility for child-rearing.



I agree that the rate of young males who commit suicide is higher than that of women. In this thread, we have seen you launch a personal attack on a young male poster because his view differed from your own. Rather than engaging on the issues he raised, here is a selection of what you wrote to him:

"anti hetro men"
"you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted"
"pathetic."
"zero empathy for male issues and problems."
"what a vapid statement"
"quit the male bashing its getting tedious"
"being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly,"

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal. It's not typical in my social group, thank goodness.

I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.

Thank goodness the world is changing, and people are creating more healthy and nurturing relationships with others, regardless of sex, views, race, colour, creed, etc.. That's not to say things are perfect, but we're a work in progress.

so youre blaming me for male suicide rates being 4 times higher than females across the entire planet? lol. I dont know whether to laugh or cry at the most ridiculous thing ever posted on nay website ever. yes it is good the world is changing and attitudes are becoming more caring for men and for their rights and their health issues and needs. I hope you can update you thinking and catch up with male rights. regardless of sexuality colour and race or religion.

it is time men had the same rights as women and get treated the same in social situations and even in schools where little boys have been allowed to fall behind for decades. lets hope to the massive imbalance between ho wmuch is spent on female health, female charities, female mental health issues too can be re-aligned and we can start to invest far more in male health issues and suicides in particular. on the day a great man like phillip seymour hoffman lost his life, it would be an appropriate tribute to him , to try and tackle male depression and suicides with serious focus and serious financial investment.

[the truth]

:laugh:

I might be one too, for all he knows. ;)

I dont care what gender you are. I care about the message not the messenger. and youre message here is beyond absurd.

[Seraphim]

so youre blaming me for male suicide rates being 4 times higher than females across the entire planet? lol. I dont know whether to laugh or cry at the most ridiculous thing ever posted on nay website ever. yes it is good the world is changing and attitudes are becoming more caring for men and for their rights and their health issues and needs. I hope you can update you thinking and catch up with male rights. regardless of sexuality colour and race or religion.

it is time men had the same rights as women and get treated the same in social situations and even in schools where little boys have been allowed to fall behind for decades. lets hope to the massive imbalance between ho wmuch is spent on female health, female charities, female mental health issues too can be re-aligned and we can start to invest far more in male health issues and suicides in particular. on the day a great man like phillip seymour hoffman lost his life, it would be an appropriate tribute to him , to try and tackle male depression and suicides with serious focus and serious financial investment.

I didn't blame you for anything. Here's what I wrote:

'I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.'

I stand by that.

[the truth]

I didn't blame you for anything. Here's what I wrote:

'I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.'

I stand by that.

I think that is more true of you.

[abhorson]

I don't really see why you feel the need to suddenly jump in and accuse me of attacking truth because I make some observations about the bile which he has been pouring towards anyone in this thread who doesn't share his views.

Do you agree with him?


I felt your statement was just very ill thought out and the suggestion it implied rather tasteless given the subject matter.

[Seraphim]

I think that is more true of you.

I don't have blinkered ideas at all. I accept people the way I find them.

Truth, I have worked in the field of mental health, and there is as much support given to men as women.

It's not always easy to get the help needed in any over-stretched organisation. The health service is no different. Their precious resources tend to be allocated first to those displaying psychosis or who have already made a serious suicide attempt. Everyone else will probably have to persist in order to get help. The grass may appear to be greener on the other side, but it's not easy for anyone regardless of their gender.

Anyone who is experiencing serious mental health problems must first approach their GP and insist on being assessed by a psychiatrist. There are community psychiatric nurses and community psychologists who do home visits, group therapy opportunities, and many community organisations across the UK which offer counseling and support for people with mental health issues who live in the community - both men and women. There are directories of local organisations which might be able to assist, and the social work department might also be able to offer support, care, social opportunities or funding for it when appropriate.

There are also a number of nationwide counseling and listening ear services, including the Samaritans, which are available 24/7. They also hold details of charities which might be appropriate for callers. People can buy self-hypnosis tapes, herbal remedies, self-help books or visit their libraries to borrow books which teach cognitive behaviour therapy techniques, which are very useful in treating depression.

There are a huge number of resources out there for people in need - both men and women.

[Seraphim]

I felt your statement was just very ill thought out and the suggestion it implied rather tasteless given the subject matter.

It was intended as a throw-away jibe.. however, when you queried it, it was easy enough to justify. :)

You still haven't explained why you ignored all the remarks 'truth' made. Do you agree with him?

[the truth]

It was intended as a throw-away jibe.. however, when you queried it, it was easy enough to justify. :)

You still haven't explained why you ignored all the remarks 'truth' made. Do you agree with him?

it was in incredibly poor taste and Id suggest if thats the type of statement you make and the way you think they maybe you should be in a different line of work. I am empowering men to fight for their rights, to seek help and advice, Plus I am fighting the fight for the massive imbalance of health spending and charitable support between women and men to be rectified. women get an estimated 3 to 4 times as much money spent on their well being than men. and men commit suicide at 4 times the rate. the correlation there is not a mere coincidence.

[Gstar]

both of you need to upload an avatar and stop bumping this old thread

[abhorson]

It was intended as a throw-away jibe.. however, when you queried it, it was easy enough to justify. :)

You still haven't explained why you ignored all the remarks 'truth' made. Do you agree with him?

The "no wonder" in your statement being used in an attempt at a jibe to any fellow poster is not something that should be used, joke or not.


And now because you were pulled up on it, you try to bring me into your discussions with said poster.

[the truth]

both of you need to upload an avatar and stop bumping this old thread

I agree. its time the supporters of this evil woman luisa came to terms with the fact jimbo was a worthy winner and abusive man haters luisa and linda were by far the most sexist people in the house. have you noticed how jimbo has offered to do charity work for lindas charity , but shes still slagging him and the show for samaging her fostering propspects. dreadful women. shes doing all the harm to her reputation all by herself.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I agree. its time the supporters of this evil woman luisa came to terms with the fact jimbo was a worthy winner and abusive man haters luisa and linda were by far the most sexist people in the house. have you noticed how jimbo has offered to do charity work for lindas charity , but shes still slagging him and the show for samaging her fostering propspects. dreadful women. shes doing all the harm to her reputation all by herself.

You agreed with none of his post :crazy:

[Seraphim]

it was in incredibly poor taste and Id suggest if thats the type of statement you make and the way you think they maybe you should be in a different line of work. I am empowering men to fight for their rights, to seek help and advice, Plus I am fighting the fight for the massive imbalance of health spending and charitable support between women and men to be rectified. women get an estimated 3 to 4 times as much money spent on their well being than men. and men commit suicide at 4 times the rate. the correlation there is not a mere coincidence.

The remarks which you made earlier in the thread were not "empowering". That is what prompted me to make the statement in the first place. If you don't know how potentially damaging these kind of remarks could be to a young person then it's about time you learned.

I don't think that slating people on a BB forum is "fighting the fight" to redress an imbalance in health spending. I personally thought it was an important issue, hence my very detailed post above which outlined different avenues for anyone to explore if they or anyone they know is experiencing mental health problems. All these avenues are available regardless of gender. I was hoping it might prove to be useful information to someone.

[Seraphim]

The "no wonder" in your statement being used in an attempt at a jibe to any fellow poster is not something that should be used, joke or not.


And now because you were pulled up on it, you try to bring me into your discussions with said poster.

:laugh:

So you cannot justify it. lol. I didn't think so.

[abhorson]

:laugh:

So you cannot justify it. lol. I didn't think so.


:joker:

[Seraphim]

I agree. its time the supporters of this evil woman luisa came to terms with the fact jimbo was a worthy winner and abusive man haters luisa and linda were by far the most sexist people in the house. have you noticed how jimbo has offered to do charity work for lindas charity , but shes still slagging him and the show for samaging her fostering propspects. dreadful women. shes doing all the harm to her reputation all by herself.

Huh? Who are you talking about? You appear to be having a conversation mainly with Daniel and me. I have already said that I have no problem with Jim winning. If you look at the threads in which we had to write who we wanted to win, you will see that I wrote that Jim and Luisa should come in the top two with Dappy third. :) Daniel also wanted Jim and Luisa to come top.

[the truth]

The remarks which you made earlier in the thread were not "empowering". That is what prompted me to make the statement in the first place. If you don't know how potentially damaging these kind of remarks could be to a young person then it's about time you learned.

I don't think that slating people on a BB forum is "fighting the fight" to redress an imbalance in health spending. I personally thought it was an important issue, hence my very detailed post above which outlined different avenues for anyone to explore if they or anyone they know is experiencing mental health problems. All these avenues are available regardless of gender. I was hoping it might prove to be useful information to someone.

I wonder if youd repeat your revolting accusation you made against me to your work coleagues? that men who fight for mens rights are somehow the people repsonsible for incrweasing male suicides?? are you relaly still in that job you claim you do so very well? really?


so you think posting here is of no benefit? so why do you post here? lol
You totally ignore my valid points becuase you have no argument to counter them and because deep down you know full well the enormous problem of male suicide that isnt being addressed enough. and you know about the fact vastly more money is spent on supporting women and womens issues and health problems. you know this yet you choose to ignore it. hardly the unbiased balanced approach of a so called professional? doesnt the massive male suicide rate and the enormous disparity in spending on women over men concern you at all? if not why not?

[the truth]

Huh? Who are you talking about? You appear to be having a conversation mainly with Daniel and me. I have already said that I have no problem with Jim winning. If you look at the threads in which we had to write who we wanted to win, you will see that I wrote that Jim and Luisa should come in the top two with Dappy third. :) Daniel also wanted Jim and Luisa to come top.

daniel wanted luisa to win and he supported luisa and linda sexually discriminating against imbo. clearly you think daniel needs you as back up to help him. how patronising.

[the truth]

:laugh:

So you cannot justify it. lol. I didn't think so.

wow so you think this matter of suicide is a laughing matter? and you claim to be a professional in the field? deary me what a disgrace

it is you who cannot justify youre horrific remarks about me pushing men to suicide and no its not alaughing matter

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Seraphim View Post


So you cannot justify it. lol. I didn't think so.

wow so you think this matter of suicide is a laughing matter? and you claim to be a professional in the field? deary me what a disgrace

it is you who cannot justify youre horrific remarks about me pushing men to suicide and no its not alaughing matter

My post above had nothing to do with the matter of suicide. We were discussing an entirely different issue. It would help if you actually read people's posts properly before jumping in and making yourself look silly. :laugh:

[Seraphim]

daniel wanted luisa to win and he supported luisa and linda sexually discriminating against imbo. clearly you think daniel needs you as back up to help him. how patronising.

How would Daniel need me as a back up? He has already told you who he wanted to win. I was telling you who I wanted to win, and reminding you about Daniel, because you seem to be experiencing some memory issues.:laugh:

[the truth]

How would Daniel need me as a back up? He has already told you who he wanted to win. I was telling you who I wanted to win, and reminding you about Daniel, because you seem to be experiencing some memory issues.:laugh:

no he wanted luisa to win not jimbo and he supported her ddiscriminating against him. all factors you choose to ignore. why?>

[the truth]

My post above had nothing to do with the matter of suicide. We were discussing an entirely different issue. It would help if you actually read people's posts properly before jumping in and making yourself look silly. :laugh:

silly is better than sick. also suicide isnt a laughing matter as you should now if you really are some kind of health professional. you tired to say I was somehow responsible for the worsening rates of male suicides, thats the most revolting statement ever written on this site. shameful

[Seraphim]

silly is better than sick. also suicide isnt a laughing matter as you should now if you really are some kind of health professional. you tired to say I was somehow responsible for the worsening rates of male suicides, thats the most revolting statement ever written on this site. shameful

Your memory seems to be failing you again. :laugh:

[Seraphim]

I wonder if youd repeat your revolting accusation you made against me to your work coleagues? that men who fight for mens rights are somehow the people repsonsible for incrweasing male suicides?? are you relaly still in that job you claim you do so very well? really?



I didn't say that.

Here's what I said:

here is a selection of what you wrote to him:

"anti hetro men"
"you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted"
"pathetic."
"zero empathy for male issues and problems."
"what a vapid statement"
"quit the male bashing its getting tedious"
"being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly,"

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal. It's not typical in my social group, thank goodness.

I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.

Yes. They'd agree with me.


so you think posting here is of no benefit? so why do you post here? lol
You totally ignore my valid points becuase you have no argument to counter them and because deep down you know full well the enormous problem of male suicide that isnt being addressed enough. and you know about the fact vastly more money is spent on supporting women and womens issues and health problems. you know this yet you choose to ignore it. hardly the unbiased balanced approach of a so called professional? doesnt the massive male suicide rate and the enormous disparity in spending on women over men concern you at all? if not why not?

I am not "fighting the fight" like you say you are. I also told you my views on your opinions with regard to health problems, which is that health service benefits are available to all, regardless of gender.. The larger spend on women is inevitable because women's issues include gestation and childbirth, and given that this is a fairly essential part of the continuance of the human race it seems rather churlish, not to mention silly, to bring it up.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

daniel wanted luisa to win and he supported luisa and linda sexually discriminating against imbo. clearly you think daniel needs you as back up to help him. how patronising.

No I didn't lol I openly said I disliked Linda she got on my nerves.

[the truth]

No I didn't lol I openly said I disliked Linda she got on my nerves.

yes you did lol

[the truth]

I didn't say that.

Here's what I said:

here is a selection of what you wrote to him:

"anti hetro men"
"you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted"
"pathetic."
"zero empathy for male issues and problems."
"what a vapid statement"
"quit the male bashing its getting tedious"
"being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly,"

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal. It's not typical in my social group, thank goodness.

I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.

Yes. They'd agree with me.



I am not "fighting the fight" like you say you are. I also told you my views on your opinions with regard to health problems. This is priimarily because women's issues include gestation and childbirth, and given that this is a fairly essential part of the continuance of the human race it seems rather churlish, not to mention silly, to bring it up.

I thought we were all equal?

so the enormous disparity in monies and staffing spent on women compared to men is fine according to you the health professional? the pro who shows zero interest or empathy for the mass of male suicides and trivialises the issue by daring to imply I somehow increase the suicide rate. how very unprofessional of you, how inhumane.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

yes you did lol

Can someone ban this troll!

[the truth]

Can someone ban this troll!

can someone ban this troll

[Seraphim]

Let's all agree to differ. :)

[Jordan.]

:huh: @ people still arguing over the show, move on with your lives

[the truth]

Let's all agree to differ. :)

ok