Amanda Knox found not guilty of murder (final verdict)

[bbfan1991]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25941999

At least Meredith's family have some closure at last, but it won't bring her back.

I wonder what this will mean now in terms of extradition for AK?

[arista]

Amanda Knox Found Guilty Of Kercher Murder

http://news.sky.com/story/1203892/amanda-knox-found-guilty-of-kercher-murder


She Will stay in America
never leave

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[Marc]

I never had any doubt. Crazy bitch

[Tom4784]

What a terrible law system Italy has, I don't know what to think about this case any more since Italy has been so flip floppy with the verdict.

[Samm]

Does this mean she done it then, I supported her and felt sorry for her don't know what to think now

[Vanessa]

What a terrible law system Italy has, I don't know what to think about this case any more since Italy has been so flip floppy with the verdict.

This is so true.

[Z]

Jesus... I don't even know if I feel sorry for Amanda Knox because I really don't know if she did it or not, but to have your freedom taken away, given back and now be taken away again has to hurt... really just appalled at Italy's judicial system on this case, what have they been playing at? Meredith Kercher's family must have been through hell these last few years.

[Cherie]

Jesus... I don't even know if I feel sorry for Amanda Knox because I really don't know if she did it or not, but to have your freedom taken away, given back and now be taken away again has to hurt... really just appalled at Italy's judicial system on this case, what have they been playing at? Meredith Kercher's family must have been through hell these last few years.

. I didn't even know there was a retrial

[Kizzy]

I think she'll go into hiding.

[Vanessa]

I think she'll go into hiding.

I agree. She won't go back to Italy.

[Livia]

The thing for me that said she was guilty was that they'd claimed that someone broken in through a window, a very high window... although not completely inaccessible. They said that whoever broke in killed Meredith and trashed the place, and the place was indeed trashed. However the glass from the broken window was on top of all the stuff that had been disturbed like the broken window was an afterthought. It didn't make sense. And like Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't true.

[Vanessa]

The thing for me that said she was guilty was that they'd claimed that someone broken in through a window, a very high window... although not completely inaccessible. They said that whoever broke in killed Meredith and trashed the place, and the place was indeed trashed. However the glass from the broken window was on top of all the stuff that had been disturbed like the broken window was an afterthought. It didn't make sense. And like Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't true.

This is true. I've always had a bad feeling about her to be honest. Not sure why.

[Tom4784]

Jesus... I don't even know if I feel sorry for Amanda Knox because I really don't know if she did it or not, but to have your freedom taken away, given back and now be taken away again has to hurt... really just appalled at Italy's judicial system on this case, what have they been playing at? Meredith Kercher's family must have been through hell these last few years.

Having a retrial is pretty dumb, especially for a case like this in which you won't likely get a jury who hasn't already be influenced one way or another by the media coverage. They had their chance to convict Knox and they blew it, it just goes to show how flawed their judical system is if they can flip flop verdicts to suit them.

[Apple202]

what kind of legal system is this D-:

[MTVN]

The police and the whole justice system have messed up this case so much that it's hard for any verdict to be trusted

Personally I think she probably was guilty though it's too difficult to know for certain

[Z]

It's a bit of a shame that the victim in all of this has more or less not had any justice served and the case has become more about the Italian judicial system and Amanda Knox. I find it a bit tasteless that all that's ever really been said about the crime is that maybe it was some kind of sex game gone wrong, that's not a good thing to be known for... just rambling now but yeah, I think this has been such a shambles that I almost don't want to see Amanda Knox go to jail even if she is guilty because of how poorly handled the whole thing has been... if she did the crime then she should do the time but they don't seem to be able to make their minds up about whether or not she actually did it.

[Livia]

Pump her full of sodium pentothal and let's find out once and for all... then Meredith's family can get some closure. It must be like some kind of waking nightmare for them.

[Z]

They seem pretty convinced of Amanda Knox's guilt so I'm sure they'll be thrilled about this verdict... will the guy who was actually jailed for it be released or do they believe he was involved, so three of them murdered Meredith?

[GypsyGoth]

Hopefully she'll be found not guilty in the next trial (or the one after that).

[MTVN]

Will cause a bit of a diplomatic incident as well won't it, surely Italy won't be too pleased if America refuses to hand over someone their courts have found guilty of murder

[GypsyGoth]

I skimmed over an american article and they reckon an extradition request would be denied.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox-retrial/

[Tom4784]

Will cause a bit of a diplomatic incident as well won't it, surely Italy won't be too pleased if America refuses to hand over someone their courts have found guilty of murder

I don't think Italy will have a leg to stand on if they try to kick up a fuss given how terribly they've handled this case.

If you can't convict someone in one trial you won't get a fair verdict in a second, either way the verdict will forever be in doubt. They've acquitted her and now she's beyond their reach. Instead of trying to save face with farcical retrials they should hold up their hands and admit their mistakes, try to learn from them and apologise deeply and sincerely to Meredith's family for a fatally flawed investigation.

[Nedusa]

The Italian judiciary is a disgrace and a laughing stock after this farce.

If I was Amanda Knox I would wash my Hands of the whole thing , she will never get justice there and thankfully the US authorities will never allow any extradition so she can take comfort in knowing this is over.

But it leaves many questions unanswered most importantly how such a supposed developed Country could have such a shambolic justice system.

[Nedusa]

Hopefully she'll be found not guilty in the next trial (or the one after that).

:thumbs::thumbs:

[lostalex]

Pump her full of sodium pentothal and let's find out once and for all... then Meredith's family can get some closure. It must be like some kind of waking nightmare for them.

The Kertcher family already has closure. Rudy Guede, the man that raped and murdered their daughter/sister, is already in jail for this murder, and there's no doubt he did it.

Just a random African migrant raping and murdering their daughter is not a big enuf story for them though, it's not nearly as glamorous as blaming the beautiful, white, American girl.

The Kercher's (along with the Italian courts and British media) have turned a crime in which 1 young person was victimized, into a situation where 3 young people people have been victimized. Shame on them.

[Jesus.]

She is hot though.

[billy123]

It will be interesting to see if America obey the extradition laws that they have been abusing for their own ends and means for so long.

[MrWong]

Reports in Italy say Sollecito was stopped by police in an area near Udine which is close to the borders of Austria and Slovenia.

http://news.sky.com/story/1204143/kercher-killer-sollecito-stopped-at-border

[Nedusa]

The Kertcher family already has closure. Rudy Guede, the man that raped and murdered their daughter/sister, is already in jail for this murder, and there's no doubt he did it.

Just a random African migrant raping and murdering their daughter is not a big enuf story for them though, it's not nearly as glamorous as blaming the beautiful, white, American girl.

The Kercher's (along with the Italian courts and British media) have turned a crime in which 1 young person was victimized, into a situation where 3 young people people have been victimized. Shame on them.


Good Post...........I pretty much agree with your summation, don't know why the Italian courts won't just let this lie as it is makery their Justice system look even more of a farce than it already is.

And of course now there will be another appeal and then most likely another acquittal........and then another appeal ...on and on and on

I hope the US authorities have a strong word with the Italians and make it very to them that under NO circumstances will they ever allow Amanda Knox to be extradicted back to that Country to stand in yet another Kangaroo court.......!!!!

[MrWong]

The Kertcher family already has closure. Rudy Guede, the man that raped and murdered their daughter/sister, is already in jail for this murder, and there's no doubt he did it.

Just a random African migrant raping and murdering their daughter is not a big enuf story for them though, it's not nearly as glamorous as blaming the beautiful, white, American girl.

The Kercher's (along with the Italian courts and British media) have turned a crime in which 1 young person was victimized, into a situation where 3 young people people have been victimized. Shame on them.

The evidence shows that there was more than one person present during the attack though.

[arista]

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[lostalex]

The evidence shows that there was more than one person present during the attack though.

Which evidence would that be?

[Sticks]

Coming in from this thread (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186392), which got derailed

[Sticks]

UPDATE

From the Mirror Website (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/amanda-knox-ex-boyfriend-acquitted-murder-5415487)


Italy's highest court has overturned the murder conviction against Amanda Knox and her ex-boyfriend, bringing to a definitive end the high-profile case.

The decision by the supreme Court of Cassation is the final ruling in the case, ending the long legal battle waged by Knox and co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito.

Both Ms Knox, who was awaiting the verdict in her US hometown of Seattle, and Mr Sollecito have long maintained their innocence.

The supreme Court of Cassation overturned last year's convictions by a Florence appeals court, and declined to order another trial.

Also from the Mirror website (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/amanda-knox-cleared-meredith-kerchers-5415957)

Meredith Kercher's mother 'shocked' after Italian court acquits 27-year-old alongside ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito
Still shell shocked from the ruling, she told reporters: "I can't see how evidence that was once deemed evidence is now no longer thought to be evidence."
The heartbroken mother of murdered student Meredith Kercher has told of her shock after Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were acquitted by Italy's highest court this evening.

The ruling will put a close to the dramatic saga after the pair were initially convicted.

After thoroughly examining the case, the judges concluded that the conviction could not be supported by the evidence.

Reacting to the news, Arline Kercher, from Coulsdon, Surrey, seemed numb as she said: "I am a bit surprised and shocked if I'm honest.

"I don't know what to say.


Still shell shocked from the ruling, she told reporters: "I can't see how evidence that was once deemed evidence is now no longer thought to be evidence."

The heartbroken mother of murdered student Meredith Kercher has told of her shock after Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were acquitted by Italy's highest court this evening.

The ruling will put a close to the dramatic saga after the pair were initially convicted.

After thoroughly examining the case, the judges concluded that the conviction could not be supported by the evidence.

Reacting to the news, Arline Kercher, from Coulsdon, Surrey, seemed numb as she said: "I am a bit surprised and shocked if I'm honest.

"I don't know what to say.

PA Meredith Kercher and her mother Arline celebrating Arline's birthday
Happier times: Meredith Kercher and her mother Arline

"I can't see how evidence that was once deemed evidence is now no longer thought to be evidence.

"I am still shocked."

Talking about the Italian legal system she said: "It is a long drawn out process."

She then added: "If you write anything, never forget Meredith."

Meredith's father John declined to comment this evening.

So my questions are


As Meredith was a UK citizens, can we get our police force to pursue Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito with a criminal prosecution. I hear that if a Brit kills a Brit abroad, they can still be charged with murder here in the UK
Can the Kercher family now bring a civil suite against Amanda in the US, the threshold for a civil suite is lower

[Nedusa]

No.... They have been cleared

Get over it......

[jennyjuniper]

There is enough doubt for me to not be able to say for sure if Amanda Knox is guilty or not. But the thing that left me feeling very uneasy was the fact that hours after the murder Amanda and her boyfriend were seen laughing and joking.
Not enough to label someone as guilty I know, but still.....?

[kirklancaster]

"She is HOT"????? :shrug:

She is a cold, seriously terrifying, deeply disturbed psychopath.

Just someone else who has 'got away with murder'.

[Sticks]

No.... They have been cleared

Get over it......

Dealing with my second point, I cite as precedence the O J Simpson case. He was acquitted of murder, but then the victim's family successfully went after him with a wrongful death civil suit.

My first point is a "Can they do that"

The relatives of Meredith Kercher (Remember her?) still believe Amanda is guilty as sin, and I suspect someone with those ranks will still try and pursue this, now that the Italian judicial process has come to an end.

[MTVN]

Guilty as hell, sad day for Meredith's family

[Sticks]

There is enough doubt for me to not be able to say for sure if Amanda Knox is guilty or not. But the thing that left me feeling very uneasy was the fact that hours after the murder Amanda and her boyfriend were seen laughing and joking.
Not enough to label someone as guilty I know, but still.....?

Grief and shock can effect people in different ways, plus there is the phenomenon of "distraction activities" where in shock you do things that may seem inappropriate. You can not use that alone to infer guilt.


One thing that I did find odd, re the prosecution, is that they changed their reasons why Amanda and Raphael killed her, from sex game gone wrong to an argument about cleaning.

The Italian Judicial system allows for the challenging of successful appeals. If their case was rock solid, why change the motive? What were they playing at? Is it a case of determining to get a conviction at all costs rather than following the evidence? It is usually the defence that changes their story, not the prosecution.

[Sticks]

For reference how the BBC website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32096621) is reporting this

[Anaesthesia]

Guilty as hell, sad day for Meredith's family

I have to agree, I've read up on this case extensively, and knox contradicts herself repeatedly. There WERE more people involved than Rudy Guede. The evidence of a break-in shows a completely inconsistent glass pattern.

At this level it has to be political, the amount of money to be spent and the damage to international relations in trying to extradite Knox.

I just feel so sorry for the Kerchers, I don't think they will ever find out what happened to Meredith, and I hope it eats at those responsible every single second of every single day. May they never sleep peacefully.

[Vicky.]

What a ****ing farce this has all been.

[Livia]

I'm confident Knox is guilty. The evidence at the apartment alone would be enough for me to believe beyond reasonable doubt that she's as guilty as sin.

[Anaesthesia]

I'm confident Knox is guilty. The evidence at the apartment alone would be enough for me to believe beyond reasonable doubt that she's as guilty as sin.

She was there, she knows what happened, and yes, I would go so far as to agree with you that she had a part in Meredith's murder, probably go further in that I believe she instigated it. I feel devastated for the Kerchers.

When the reasoning is published, which I eagerly await, I think it will all hinge on the possible contamination of DNA evidence...nothing whatsoever to do with Knox's sh*tty alibi, the contradictions, and the overwhelming evidence that the break in was staged.

If I'm angry with the Italian system for anything, it's for not securing the evidence sooner.

Knox and Sollecito can burn in Hell.

[Sticks]

I wonder if we should press for West Yorkshire Police to investigate Meredith's murder, as she came from Leeds, and press them to get international arrest warrants for Knox and Solecitto

I would also advice the Kerchers to sue Knox in the civil courts for wrongful death as the threshold is lower.

[Crimson Dynamo]

good to see this has finally ended

[Anaesthesia]

It hasn't ended. How can it?

Rudy Guede did not act alone. So if Knox and Sollecito are innocent, there is, somewhere out there, a co-conspirator to murder. If it was your child, would you consider it ended?

[Nedusa]

Dealing with my second point, I cite as precedence the O J Simpson case. He was acquitted of murder, but then the victim's family successfully went after him with a wrongful death civil suit.

My first point is a "Can they do that"

The relatives of Meredith Kercher (Remember her?) still believe Amanda is guilty as sin, and I suspect someone with those ranks will still try and pursue this, now that the Italian judicial process has come to an end.

Oh for God's sake.... She has been acquitted twice

It is all over.... Please move on this story is a story no more.

Time to move on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It hasn't ended. How can it?

Rudy Guede did not act alone. So if Knox and Sollecito are innocent, there is, somewhere out there, a co-conspirator to murder. If it was your child, would you consider it ended?

i mean for the falsely accused

[Anaesthesia]

Why did Knox, in her confession to police (this is documented) state that she was in the house, heard Meredith scream, and identify the assailant as Patrick Lumumba...her ex-boss, and a man who has since proven to be innocent?

She then retracted this after Lumumba's alibi proved rock solid, and said she wasn't there at all.

[MTVN]

Oh for God's sake.... She has been acquitted twice

It is all over.... Please move on this story is a story no more.

Time to move on.

Been found guilty twice as well

[GypsyGoth]

I don't think Amanda had a firm grip on reality back then but I still don't think she was capable of murder.

[Nedusa]

Been found guilty twice as well

I am truly amazed at some of the posts on this thread , people actually think this young women and her boyfriend suddenly turned into perverted devil worshipping sexually depraved murderers...

Based on juicy gossip and salacious tittle tattle....

[Anaesthesia]

people actually think this young women and her boyfriend suddenly turned into perverted devil worshipping sexually depraved murderers...


Who has said they were perverted devil worshippers?

[Tom4784]

At this point her guilt or innocence doesn't matter anymore, the constant flip flopping by the italian courts has made any judgement they pass on the matter a joke.

[Brother Leon]

Guilty as hell, sad day for Meredith's family

.


Whole thing has been a mess though. Feel for her family.

[Amy Jade]

BBC are saying NOT guilty :/

[lostalex]

There is enough doubt for me to not be able to say for sure if Amanda Knox is guilty or not. But the thing that left me feeling very uneasy was the fact that hours after the murder Amanda and her boyfriend were seen laughing and joking.
Not enough to label someone as guilty I know, but still.....?

but still what? you've never laughed or had the giggles at an inappropriate time? you've never found levity in a stressful situation? you want her to fall on the floor and self flagellate herself? get a grip.

[lostalex]

Why did Knox, in her confession to police (this is documented) state that she was in the house, heard Meredith scream, and identify the assailant as Patrick Lumumba...her ex-boss, and a man who has since proven to be innocent?

She then retracted this after Lumumba's alibi proved rock solid, and said she wasn't there at all.

because she was beaten and tortured for HOURS before they forced her to say those things. i'm sorry, i mean they "interrogated" her for 8 hours straight before she said those things.

The italian police make guantanamo bay look like club med.

[lostalex]

Who has said they were perverted devil worshippers?

The italian prosecutors said that. they claimed amanda was a witch and practicing a satanic sex ritual. lol seriously.

[lostalex]

Been found guilty twice as well

based on evidence that was completely discredited.

[lostalex]

I'm confident Knox is guilty. The evidence at the apartment alone would be enough for me to believe beyond reasonable doubt that she's as guilty as sin.

what evidence at the apartment? there was ZERO DNA evidence in merediths room. the only DNA evidence in Merediths room and on her body was from rudy guide, the man that actually killed her.

please explain how amanda and rafaelle cleaned off just their DNA and left his DNA? it's physically impossible

[user104658]

I'm unsure really. It's been a total mess so anything could be true. However, Italy is rife with corruption on all levels and I do think it's perfectly plausible that the Italian police simply decided to pursue Knox and her boyfriend because they were available to arrest, and an easy way to close the case. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

you cant even send a fecking parcel to italy without it getting lost so i dont put too much faith in the legal system

[user104658]

Without it getting "lost" LT. In some postal worker's bedroom wardrobe.

[Livia]

you cant even send a fecking parcel to italy without it getting lost so i dont put too much faith in the legal system

Only time I've ever lost luggage on a flight - Alitalia. I'm sensing a pattern here...

[Sticks]

because she was beaten and tortured for HOURS before they forced her to say those things. i'm sorry, i mean they "interrogated" her for 8 hours straight before she said those things.

The italian police make guantanamo bay look like club med.

That is a bold faced lie from the lying members of the Knox family

They did not beat or mistreat her at all! :nono:

In fact, Amanda and her parents have been convicted of slander for saying it did, when it did not

[kirklancaster]

That is a bold faced lie from the lying members of the Knox family

They did not beat or mistreat her at all! :nono:

In fact, Amanda and her parents have been convicted of slander for saying it did, when it did not

Yes - you are correct Sticks. Knox is on record stating that she was "treated well" by the Italian authorities and denying that she was ever tortured.

[Nedusa]

I don't understand why so many on here are so convinced this woman is guilty when given the farce that passed for a trial coupled with all the subsequent aquittals it would be the default position to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Coupled with this woman's good character and general upstanding normal behaviour , why would people assume she is so evil?

Glad this nightmare for her is over and slightly embarrassed by the amount of unjustified and unwarranted Amanda hate on this forum.

[Livia]

I've watched the TV shows and read the trial transcripts and I really do believe that she is guilty. I don't feel sorry for her or for her family. The people I feel sorry for are the family of the murdered girl who've lost a daughter, and who also think Knox is guilty.

[Marsh.]

Another murderer gets off. :bored: Psychotic bitch.

[Z]

I feel sorry for the Kercher family, having their daughter's reputation brought into ill repute (implying she died in a sex game gone wrong for no apparent reason - how horrible?!)

[empire]

foxy knoxy is a psychopath, she has ice cold shark eyes, and has narcissistic personality,

[lostalex]

I feel sorry for the Kercher family, having their daughter's reputation brought into ill repute (implying she died in a sex game gone wrong for no apparent reason - how horrible?!)

how can you feel sorry for the Kerchers? they have been disgraceful the whole time. Meredith must be ashamed of her family if her soul is watching from somewhere. The Kerchers have taken a case where one young woman was victim and instead of acting with dignity, they have victimized another young girl.

Shame on the Kerchers.

[Nedusa]

foxy knoxy is a psychopath, she has ice cold shark eyes, and has narcissistic personality,

Really, ... How , based on what ?

This is it really, ignorant comments like this based on salacious gossip and press tittle tattle .

Psychopath ....????

Foxy eyes....???

Comments like these are hard to understand ...tbh

[user104658]

Foxy eyes....??

Shark eyes apparently. The "foxy knoxy" thing was because she used to be vaguely hot at the start of all of this. She's not aged well though.

[Nedusa]

...I guess that I still see the cases not really comparable because Meredith Kercher is dead, she was brutally murdered..there is no doubt that a crime was committed/it’s a fact...so it’s more having an opinion on who her murderer was...but with the other cases you mentioned/the historic sex cases etc..there’s not sufficient reliable evidence to say that any crime ever took place at all at any point in time/we would only be guessing at that and what foundation could our guessing have with no evidence to ponder over.... so for me they aren’t really similar at all....

Aren't there two people who were found guilty of Meredith Kercher's murder who are currently serving life sentences for the crime.

[Z]

how can you feel sorry for the Kerchers? they have been disgraceful the whole time. Meredith must be ashamed of her family if her soul is watching from somewhere. The Kerchers have taken a case where one young woman was victim and instead of acting with dignity, they have victimized another young girl.

Shame on the Kerchers.

How can I feel sorry for the family whose daughter was violently murdered and who have been led to believe by the Italian police that their daughter was killed by her flatmate in some kind of group orgy-murder, have that information revealed to the public, then be brought into doubt by conflicting evidence, have those people thrown into jail, then have that be overturned, then they're re-charged, before the case is thrown out many years later? They've had absolutely no closure on this, never knowing if their daughter's murderer(s) is/are behind bars or not. How can you say that they haven't acted with dignity? They've rarely given interviews from what I can remember, all they said about the news is they're very surprised and shocked because it's completely unprecedented for a conviction to be annulled like that, nobody was expecting that result, not even Knox and Sollecito's lawyers.

At worst, the Kercher family are victims of the Italian police's determination to secure a conviction; at best, their daughter's murderers have walked free and they've somehow found the strength to not publicly rip into Knox and Sollecito and speak their minds.

Direct quotes from Arline Kercher:-

"Our family has always expressed faith in the Italian justice system," Mrs Kercher said. "Now we feel let down because the crime has not been resolved and it's finished like this with a question mark."

Asked whether she believed Miss Knox was a friend of her daughter's, Mrs Kercher said she did not know and that "she didn't want to talk about that girl".

I think considering the circumstances, her words are more than fair. If you were told by the police that someone was responsible for killing someone in your family for eight years only for the courts to throw it out after convicting them twice, you'd be devastated too. I think that's far safer assumption to make than talking about how Meredith would feel if she was watching over her family.

[Kizzy]

This seems a similar case, I think Knox and her partner were involved, if only due to her 'elation' in the aftermath.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/student-lured-warped-sex-game-5403553

[Vanessa]

She has killer eyes. D::dog:

[Niamh.]

Back on topic please. Stick to the actual thread and not discussing eachother or I'm going to have to lock this thread permanently

[kirklancaster]

I don't know which sources those supporting Amanda Knox are relying upon, but I do know that I have spent a lot of time researching this case and - as usual - for every internet site which declares one set of facts as the 'truth', there is another which declares a polar opposite set of facts as the 'truth' also.

As with any subject, it is all too easy to alight upon one website which comprehensively persuades that Knox is innocent (and vice versa) with several pages of well written 'facts' and 'data' - all seemingly corroborated with textual and photographic 'evidence', 'quotes' and photographs, then come away satisfied with what we have read and convinced of its truth.

This is a gross mistake. Yet it really takes considerable time and effort to research all the information which is out there and sift through the deliberate lies and distortions by cross referencing multiple sources - the trial transcript alone runs to nearly 500 pages.

After undertaking this task over the past 4 days (and part of the nights) I will say that in my opinion, the pro-Knox sites and articles are nothing more than deliberate attempts to conceal the truth that Knox is a cold, calculating, evil murderer.

I will not summarise because the subjects is exhaustive and the simple truths have been rendered complex by the lies propagated by the pro-Knox campaigners who have uitilised money and influence to do so.

But don't take my word for anything, spend some real time researching for yourself. Look at as many sites you may desire to but be sure to follow the links below, because there - in my opinion - is the truth of the matter.

http://http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/questions_for_knox_4_why_so_many_false_claims_in_a ccounts_of_your_visi/

http://http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

The True Justice website contains other internal links to the Trial Transcripts among other documents for those interested in the truth.

[user104658]

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/comments/questions_for_knox_4_why_so_many_false_claims_in_a ccounts_of_your_visi/

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Main_Page

Just fixing your links Kirkanold, you made a right arse of them!

[Sticks]

Some new possible information has come to light, I will say no more while I investigate if it is yet another red herring.

[kirklancaster]

Just fixing your links Kirkanold, you made a right arse of them!

:laugh: Not used to this new fangled stuff TS - Thanks.

[Sticks]

Elsewhere, the comments section of the Daily Mail, supporters of the Kerchers, if I understand right, there was a throwaway line about Knox and Aspergers, a form of Autism

Now it needs to noted that Aspergers Syndrome and autism manifests slightly differently in females than it does males. When Hans Asperger first described the condition he was only working with boys, so female autism traits are less well known.

The comment in the DM came out of left field but as Warrick Brown once said to Grissom in an early episode of CSI "You have to follow the evidence no matter where it leads", I googled Knox and Aspergers and got this article. (http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/30/could-amanda-knox-have-an-autism-spectrum-disorder/)

Could Amanda Knox Have an Autism Spectrum Disorder?
By Maia Szalavitz @maiaszJune 30, 2011

Amanda Knox, the 23-year-old American college student who was convicted of sexually assaulting and killing her room mate, Meredith Kercher, in Italy in 2007, allegedly after an orgy gone wrong, got good news this week. Independent experts working on her ongoing appeal said that the traces of DNA used to convict Knox may have been contaminated and are “unreliable.”

With the DNA evidence excluded, the only substantiation of Knox’s guilt includes a possibly coerced confession and her bizarre behaviour after being arrested. But could those two things have the same explanation? Is it possible that Knox has an underlying condition — Asperger’s syndrome, a less severe form of autism — that caused both her unusual social behaviour and a gullibility that triggered a false confession?

Knox’s link to Kercher’s murder was always sketchy: for one thing, there was no physical evidence of the orgy that the prosecutor claimed led to the killing. Knox was said to have helped stab her 21-year-old roommate to death when Kercher refused to participate in sex games with Knox’s boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, then 23, and Rudy Guede, 20, an African immigrant. No other motive was ever presented.

But Guede’s bloody footprints and hand-prints were found at the scene, his DNA was found in Kercher’s body — and he was a prior robbery suspect known to carry a knife. The simplest and most logical view of the crime would be that Guede alone killed Kercher. And in fact, he was also convicted of the murder.

However, by the time his involvement was discovered, Knox had already confessed after hours of questioning by police, implicating herself and Sollecito. What’s more, her behaviour after her arrest was bizarre and seemed callous.

In a riveting feature story on the case, Rolling Stone writer Nathaniel Rich describes how Knox’s odd actions may have led to her conviction. He writes that while at the police station with Sollecito, she did not act normally:

“Knox and Sollecito would make faces, kiss each other, while there was the body of a friend in those conditions,” said homicide chief Monica Napoleoni.

“I couldn’t help thinking how cool and calm Amanda was,” said Giacomo Silenzi, a neighbour who had been having a fling with Kercher. “Her eyes didn’t seem to show any sadness, and I remember wondering if she could have been involved.”

Officers would later complain that Knox, after sitting for hours in the stiff waiting-room chairs, had started to do cartwheels and even splits. Convinced that she was psychotic, the guards begged her to stop, explaining that such behavior was “inappropriate.” And a detective complained when he saw Knox sitting on her boyfriend’s lap. “Inappropriate,” he said.

Could this be evidence of Asperger’s? In people with the condition, odd emotional reactions and atypical responses to stress are common. Women with autism spectrum disorders tend to be better at appearing socially skilled than men do, which often leaves them undiagnosed.

Valerie Gaus is a psychologist who has worked with hundreds of autistic people and is the author of Living Well on the Spectrum. “Everything I read would be consistent with it and it could be one alternative theory for the behavior that made her seem suspicious,” says Gaus, while stressing that she has not met Knox and cannot diagnose her. “When people on the spectrum become anxious or nervous, they won’t necessarily show it through facial expressions and they may use odd behaviour to regulate anxiety. You might see that in odd gestures or strange tics or body movements. If she did have it, her cartwheels might have been [her way of] trying to regulate overwhelming anxiety.”

Rudy Simone, author of Aspergirls and herself a woman on the autism spectrum, says, “While I’m not a diagnostician and haven’t seen anything on the tapes we’ve all seen that would indicate she has Asperger’s, if she did, theoretically, the kind of behavior she displayed before, during and after her arrest would be in line with the many psychological or neurological differences [that mark] Aspergian behavior.”

Another example of “self-soothing” behavior common to autism could be Knox’s frequent loud singing, which Kercher’s sister told Rolling Stone had been annoying to the victim.

Knox’s lack of social skills, unusual reactions to emotion and lack of concern about appearance — all common in autism spectrum conditions — were clear to everyone who knew her:

“She’s a little dork who doesn’t wear matched socks,” says her best friend, Madison Paxton. …

[Sollecito said]: “I noticed that her opinions on the music were odd. … She didn’t concentrate on the emotions it provoked but only on the rhythm — slow, fast, slow."

And, like many autistic people, Knox was highly intelligent but also extremely naïve and gullible:

“She’s the smartest person you’d ever know” but “dumb as a rock” when it comes to “street sense,” [her stepfather said]. In conversations with her friends and family, a portrait emerges of a person with a childlike innocence. She was, as her mother, Edda, puts it, “oblivious to the dark side of the world.”

“The common term we use is naïve but from a clinical perspective, what can cause that is that people on the spectrum have difficulty with perspective-taking. They have a difficult time thinking about or understanding what another person might be thinking,” says Gaus.

“We just don’t understand other people,” says Simone. “We don’t read faces. Social language is always a second language to us that we’re never particularly fluent in and alongside that is a childlike naivete.”

That can lead to gullibility because if you can’t understand the world from other people’s perspectives, you can’t recognize when they might be trying to manipulate you, or even that such a thing is possible to do. This makes people with Asperger’s particularly prone to false confessions both because they get easily overwhelmed by stress and because they don’t understand the intentions of the police.

“In my own practice, I’ve seen a fair number of young people get in trouble with the law because of naivete,” says Gaus.

Knox’s apparent penchant for casual sex, which was extensively covered by the British tabloids, can also be seen in some women on the autism spectrum. “With females on the spectrum, sometimes promiscuity is a way that you connect and they learn early on that they can get attention for being sexual. That wouldn’t be surprising,” Gaus says.

Notes Simone, “Because of our open demeanour towards others, what we see as friendly is often consider flirtatious and often misread.”

Also, Knox’s utter lack of awareness of her own beauty — detailed in the Rolling Stone story — could be a symptom. Appreciating your own good looks “involves the ability to imagine how others perceive you and people on the spectrum have problems with that,” Gaus says.

Yet another potentially telling characteristic: Knox’s desire for justice, not only for herself but for others. Rich describes how Knox would try to help strangers on the street and how she insisted on staying in Italy to help the police with the case, even after her other room-mates had gotten attorneys and left the country. “A strong need for justice is common,” Gaus says.

Of course, whether or not a formal diagnosis of Asperger’s would help or hurt Knox’s case is hard to say: the stigma associated with autism spectrum disorders might make her seem more suspicious, rather than less, in the eyes of some legal authorities. But Gaus believes that screening her would be appropriate and that it could help her come to terms with what happened. It could ultimately help her have a better future if she is, as seems likely, exonerate


Maia Szalavitz @maiasz

Maia Szalavitz is a neuroscience journalist for TIME.com and co-author of Born for Love: Why Empathy Is Essential — and Endangered.



There were some comments after the article, some supportive and some not so from someone who is anti-Knox

I tried to run this article I found by some fellow Aspies in a facebook group (Those with Asperger Syndrome or high functioning Autism) but some refused to fully read the link, could they be assuming it is lies from a PR campaign?

However I did manage to get hold of a female blogger , who is both a feminist and on the spectrum to read it.

These are here replies by twitter

FeministAspie ‏@FeministAspie Apr 2

@Stickings90 Thanks for sharing - honestly I don't know a whole lot about the case, and it's always difficult to diagnose just based on...

FeministAspie ‏@FeministAspie Apr 2

@Stickings90 ...hearsay, but it certainly gives an insight into behaviours seen by NTs* as weird or guilt-showing that would be normal for us

Since some of the evidence we have cited for Knox's guilt has been her strange behaviour, if she does have an undiagnosed autism spectrum disorder, should that evidence be discounted as it could seen as that is how autism manifests in females as opposed to males?

Does this require us all to re-evaluate this case, or is it a whopping red herring. :shrug:


* NTs for reference stands for Neuro Typicals, or normal people, not on the spectrum.

[kirklancaster]

A truly brilliant piece of detective work Sticks, but autism does not explain the 6 conflicting alibis Knox and Sollecito gave to the police, or the dozens of lies she has told. Nor does it account for her trying to steer the police to one innocent man, then when he proved he had a cast iron alibi, she falsely accused Lumumba. She even changed her story yet again when she learnt that Sollecito was no longer 'alibiing' her and tried to 'throw him under the bus' and blame him for the murder.

Her various stories of the her visit to the cottage on the morning of the murder are totally ridiculous and would be laughable if it was not for the fact that a young innocent girl was so cruelly slaughtered.

Knox is one devious, cold, calculating moral-less bitch and she has got clean away with not only murdering a normal, decent young girl who had twice the morals she had, but has also actually tried to assassinate poor Meredith's character into the bargain.

Knox, her family, and her supporters make me puke.

[lostalex]

A truly brilliant piece of detective work Sticks, but autism does not explain the 6 conflicting alibis Knox and Sollecito gave to the police, or the dozens of lies she has told. Nor does it account for her trying to steer the police to one innocent man, then when he proved he had a cast iron alibi, she falsely accused Lumumba. She even changed her story yet again when she learnt that Sollecito was no longer 'alibiing' her and tried to 'throw him under the bus' and blame him for the murder.

Her various stories of the her visit to the cottage on the morning of the murder are totally ridiculous and would be laughable if it was not for the fact that a young innocent girl was so cruelly slaughtered.

Knox is one devious, cold, calculating moral-less bitch and she has got clean away with not only murdering a normal, decent young girl who had twice the morals she had, but has also actually tried to assassinate poor Meredith's character into the bargain.

Knox, her family, and her supporters make me puke.

I hope you puke your guts out. You obviously have no knowledge of th case. If you have some evidence of Amanda's or Rafaelles guilt why didn't you give it to the Italian police because they couldn't find any evidence.

[kirklancaster]

I hope you puke your guts out. You obviously have no knowledge of th case. If you have some evidence of Amanda's or Rafaelles guilt why didn't you give it to the Italian police because they couldn't find any evidence.

This is the most preposterous post yet Alex - why don't you read the links and trial transcripts. Perhaps you'd like to debate this point by point in a civil, temperate manner? I'm up for it.

We will both need GENUINE corroborating evidence though Alex to substantiate our contentions.

[Sticks]

@Lostalex what did you make of this female autism angle? - I did kind of come out of left field.

[lostalex]

@Lostalex what did you make of this female autism angle? - I did kind of come out of left field.

I think it's pure sexist crap, and lawyers grasping for straws.

The idea that a girl not behaving like an emotional wreck means she must have some sort of intellectual disorder just reeks of sexism to me. It makes it sound like they think all girls should be crying and freaking out, because of course girls are very emotional. for a girl not to be overly emotional means that something must be wrong???

Can we all please remember that Amanda had only known meredith for a short time, she was in a brand new country, she was a very VERY young girl in a very far off foreign country.

I got arrested once, spent the night in jail, and i sang to myself. Yes, i was scared and confused, and i SANG outlaid, to myself. It must have sounded very strange if anyone heard me, but it made me feel better in a stressful situation. when you are in a stress mode, yes you do things to comfort yourself. does that mean i did;'t take my arrest seriously? no, i was just trying to get through a very stressful situation. and if i had had my boyfriend with me, i would have kissed and hugged him too. i guess i must be a sociopath and potential murderer based on some people's views of that behavior.

[Gusto Brunt]

'Found not guilty', but still guilty in my and others eyes. :mad:

[lostalex]

'Found not guilty', but still guilty in my and others eyes. :mad:

i think being falsely accused must be one of the most horrific circumstances anyone could find themselves in. especially when you have the notoriously vicious, corrupt, abhorrent British media supporting the false accusations. combine that with the notoriously corrupt, inept Italian justice system, and I can only imagine the hopelessness and frustration Amanda must have been feeling.

[Nedusa]

People...........stop posting on this now....

It is old news..........move on there are more important things going on in the world.

[Nedusa]

i think being falsely accused must be one of the most horrific circumstances anyone could find themselves in. especially when you have the notoriously vicious, corrupt, abhorrent British media supporting the false accusations. combine that with the notoriously corrupt, inept Italian justice system, and I can only imagine the hopelessness and frustration Amanda must have been feeling.

You're a little bundle of happiness aren't you ??

[lostalex]

You're a little bundle of happiness aren't you ??

I'm just saying, being in prison must suck, but being in prison when you know you're innocent, must be 100x worse. then add on the hatred of 2 whole countries (UK and Italy). I'm just in awe of how Amanda was able to endure that. She truly is an inspiration.

her case really demonstrates how flawed our society is. our media, our justice systems, it's all just one big lynch mob that can attack anyone at any time. Thank gawd she had such a loving and supportive family to help her through it. most people don't have that kind of support, so they just get forgotten and rot away forever.

[Sticks]

I think it's pure sexist crap, and lawyers grasping for straws.

The idea that a girl not behaving like an emotional wreck means she must have some sort of intellectual disorder just reeks of sexism to me. It makes it sound like they think all girls should be crying and freaking out, because of course girls are very emotional. for a girl not to be overly emotional means that something must be wrong???


@Lostalex, first of all I need to point out, I am diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, a form of autism. It is a neurological disorder, if that, not an intellectual disorder or a learning disability. I have managed to achieve one Bsc and two MScs. I never thought I had an intellectual disorder because I was on the spectrum :shrug:

Second, the analysis suggesting that Amanda may be on the spectrum did not come from anyone of her legal team.

Thirdly, if I read the article correctly, it posited that the behaviour, such as a lack of crying and freaking out, that was being used as an indicator of guilt, was actually a reaction to stress of a female who is on the spectrum and should never have been seen as an indicator of guilt. You need to note that autism affects boys one way and girls slightly differently. Female autism is not that well known because the original work was on boys.

[Nedusa]

I'm just saying, being in prison must suck, but being in prison when you know you're innocent, must be 100x worse. then add on the hatred of 2 whole countries (UK and Italy). I'm just in awe of how Amanda was able to endure that. She truly is an inspiration.

her case really demonstrates how flawed our society is. our media, our justice systems, it's all just one big lynch mob that can attack anyone at any time. Thank gawd she had such a loving and supportive family to help her through it. most people don't have that kind of support, so they just get forgotten and rot away forever.

Fair point Alex..........I was just a bit taken aback by the ferocity of your post.

[letmein]

Anyone who thinks Amanda Knox killed this woman is an idiot who gets all their info from tabloids. There is no way in hell she did it. Italy still lives in the Stone Age where women are *****s not to be trusted. The British media is disgusting.

[kirklancaster]

Anyone who thinks Amanda Knox killed this woman is an idiot who gets all their info from tabloids. There is no way in hell she did it. Italy still lives in the Stone Age where women are *****s not to be trusted. The British media is disgusting.

Why don't you debate it then instead of popping in to call people idiots. And where do you source the information about this case which enables you to state so incontrovertibly that she is innocent?

I'm saying that she is as guilty as sin and I don't get my information from the tabloids, or from the numerous pro-Knox propaganda deflection websites, books and articles funded by the Knox family and friends.

Come debate. Evidence by piece of evidence.

[Marsh.]

Anyone who thinks Amanda Knox killed this woman is an idiot

You were there? :shocked:

Amanda could've used your witness testimony long before now.

[kirklancaster]

You were there? :shocked:

Amanda could've used your witness testimony long before now.

:laugh:

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-7233d62d-f71e-4d77-92fb-f9a0204df819.png

[Sticks]

Arista - Why drag this up?

[Cherie]

Did they ever find who did it?

[user104658]

Did they ever find who did it?

It was Rudy Guede, the oddest part of the whole story is that he was arrested, trialled and put in prison for it at the time. It was a "straightforward" sexual assault/murder, and it's never really been questioned that he was the one who sexually assaulted and fatally wounded her.

The stuff about Knox and Sollecito was added into the story and makes so little sense that it's hard to see how it ever got to trial, let alone convictions. The idea was that the three of them "did it together". There wasn't even any evidence that they knew each other.

Scarily enough this was so long ago now that Rudy Guede is actually out of prison - having served 15 years of his 30-year sentence.

[arista]

Arista - Why drag this up?

Sticks it is the "The People"
Sunday paper today Digging this up.

[bots]

i recognise those dulcet tones

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fd0440eca-5875-11ed-9b1f-f7c251e9dfdc.jpg?crop=2339%2C1316%2C1003%2C1441&resize=1000
https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2013/05/amanda-knox-interview.jpg


The couple acquitted of the murder of Meredith Kercher have reunited in
Gubbio, the Umbrian town they were planning to visit 15 years ago on the
day the British exchange student was found dead.

The 35-year-old once dubbed “Foxy Knoxy” and Sollecito were all smiles
when they were photographed together

Amanda Knox and her former lover Raffaele Sollecito were pictured smiling
together in one of the town’s medieval streets during what Sollecito
described as a “bittersweet” reunion.

“It was bittersweet to go back as we were supposed to go there in such
different circumstances, but it was just nice for us to be able to talk about
something that wasn’t the case,”

Kercher, 21, of Coulsdon, south London, was sharing a flat in Perugia with
Knox where she was found stabbed to death on November 2 but it wasnt
Amanda that did that as was proved.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/31/amanda-knox-ex-beau-reunite-in-italy-15-years-after-murder-case/

[UserSince2005]

hope they had a lot of fun and cause a lot of trouble on their trip, but no killing this time please.

[The Slim Reaper]

She is hot though.

This should have been the end of the thread tbh. Nothing more needed to be said to prove the innocence of this delicate flower.

[Niamh.]

This should have been the end of the thread tbh. Nothing more needed to be said to prove the innocence of this delicate flower.

:laugh:

[arista]

She was Just Live on GMBHD itv
Another new book


Even more confident

[arista]

Poor Meredith Kercher
left to be killed

[Livia]

She was Just Live on GMBHD itv
Another new book


Even more confident

Disgusting that this woman is allowed to profit from a murder and flog her lies live on TV like cornflakes....