Flight from Malaysia to Beijing with 239 on board has crashed, remains not found

[BBfanUSA]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26492748

There's rumors on twitter that it has been found crashed in Vietnam seawater. I hope that's not true. :(

[Ammi]

..oh jeez, that's awful..it doesn't sound good if it's just disappeared though...

[Novo]

****ing Obama has Droned it down

[arista]

****ing Obama has Droned it down


If he did
then he would be up for Outright Murder


[On that flight : 153 Chinese nationals,
38 Malaysians, 12 Indonesians,
seven Australians, four Americans,
two New Zealanders, two Ukrainians,
two Canadians, one Russian,
one Austrian, one Italian,
one Taiwanese and one Dutch citizen.]


[If the plane is found to have crashed,
the loss would mark the second fatal
accident involving a Boeing 777
in less than a year,
after an unblemished safety
record since the jet entered service in 1995.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1222674/malaysia-airlines-plane-loses-contact

[daniel-lewis-1985]

And people say air travel is so safe, there are so many unreported crashed. I am dreading flying to America especially since American Airlines look like they are made out of tin foil.

The fact this plane went missing 2 hours into its flight scares the hell out of me, most people are afraid of taking off and landing but it can happen anytime and your up in the air for hours. Scary.

Hope there are survivors but not looking promising is it :(

[arista]

And people say air travel is so safe, there are so many unreported crashed. I am dreading flying to America especially since American Airlines look like they are made out of tin foil.

The fact this plane went missing 2 hours into its flight scares the hell out of me, most people are afraid of taking off and landing but it can happen anytime and your up in the air for hours. Scary.

Hope there are survivors but not looking promising is it :(


Its more Un Safe in Asia.

You flying to America will be Nice and Easy

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Its more Un Safe in Asia.

You flying to America will be Nice and Easy

Don't Jinx me, ive already had 1 close call!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Mirror are confirming its crashed now after someone spotted a large oil spill in the area. Its gotta be pitch black out at see as its night there so obviously that makes it 100 times harder for any search for survivors, poor people.

[Z]

And people say air travel is so safe, there are so many unreported crashed. I am dreading flying to America especially since American Airlines look like they are made out of tin foil.

The fact this plane went missing 2 hours into its flight scares the hell out of me, most people are afraid of taking off and landing but it can happen anytime and your up in the air for hours. Scary.

Hope there are survivors but not looking promising is it :(

Compare the number of plane crashes to the number of flights that safely take off and land every day, week, month, year and it's really not worth worrying over. Air travel, just like any other kind of transport, is prone to accidents, yes, but not every plane crash is a fiery death trap with no survivors - plenty of planes land in water and people manage to make it out alive. It's just that it makes for sensational headlines to make planes seem really dangerous. They aren't.

[user104658]

Compare the number of plane crashes to the number of flights that safely take off and land every day, week, month, year and it's really not worth worrying over. Air travel, just like any other kind of transport, is prone to accidents, yes, but not every plane crash is a fiery death trap with no survivors - plenty of planes land in water and people manage to make it out alive. It's just that it makes for sensational headlines to make planes seem really dangerous. They aren't.

It's also because it "seems" more scary to plummet from the sky than to die in crash, but the reality is, you are more ar risk every time you get into a car than you are boarding a plane. A plane crash seems more dramatic than a 70mph car crash but, let's face it, in either scenario you're just as dead.

[smeagol]

very sad news. but what really pisses me of is the photos going around on the news threads of the poor woman on her knees crying and a circle of press around her taking photos. disgusting world we live in.

[Z]

It's also because it "seems" more scary to plummet from the sky than to die in crash, but the reality is, you are more ar risk every time you get into a car than you are boarding a plane. A plane crash seems more dramatic than a 70mph car crash but, let's face it, in either scenario you're just as dead.

Exactly.

[Cherie]

It's also because it "seems" more scary to plummet from the sky than to die in crash, but the reality is, you are more ar risk every time you get into a car than you are boarding a plane. A plane crash seems more dramatic than a 70mph car crash but, let's face it, in either scenario you're just as dead.

.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And people say air travel is so safe, there are so many unreported crashed. I am dreading flying to America especially since American Airlines look like they are made out of tin foil.

The fact this plane went missing 2 hours into its flight scares the hell out of me, most people are afraid of taking off and landing but it can happen anytime and your up in the air for hours. Scary.

Hope there are survivors but not looking promising is it :(

Do you realise how many planes take off every minute of the day , 7 days a week, 365 days a year?

:rolleyes:

It is incredibly safe. Your unfounded irrational fear should be left at home

[Jesus.]

Out of all the people involved in modern crashes/air accidents, 96% of them lived.

[BBfanUSA]

You watched Final Destination one too many times haven't you?

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/8/294615/default/v1/biphrhlcuaaqvsz-1-329x437.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10685413/Malaysia-Airlines-crash-terror-fears-over-stolen-passports-used-on-missing-plane-MH370.html

[BBfanUSA]

Huh, Austria and Italy are saying their people are accounted for because their passports have been stolen...

Uh oh.

[Vicky.]

Heard about this earlier on, first thought was how the hell does a plane 'go missing' :umm2:

[Saph]

the plane possibly going missing is part of the anticipation when your riding

[Gstar]

saw this on the news today, if they suspected that two people had stolen passports what's the point in saying it now?

[Me. I Am Salman]

the plane possibly going missing is part of the anticipation when your riding

it's too soon to make jokes

http://31.media.tumblr.com/f8fc20e8fecce1f962c39b2c93075d48/tumblr_n1bnw5xRA51qg5o2oo1_400.gif

[BBfanUSA]

saw this on the news today, if they suspected that two people had stolen passports what's the point in saying it now?

Maybe terrorism could be the reason,

Malaysia is a religious country, maybe they (as in the 2 stolen passports guys) tried to hijack the plane.

[arista]

Heard about this earlier on, first thought was how the hell does a plane 'go missing' :umm2:


For whatever reason it went down low
on the sea
thats below radar.
So because it was picked up normal one
minute ,the next minute it went down low.



Thats why some say it could be terrorist.
Of course until its found under water or land
we will not know.

[arista]

Maybe terrorism could be the reason,

Malaysia is a religious country, maybe they (as in the 2 stolen passports guys) tried to hijack the plane.


Unless thats normal on a China flight

[Kizzy]

Within the hour, Vietnamese search and rescue vessels are due to reach a suspicious floating object spotted 100km south-southwest of Vietnam’s Tho Chu island.

The object is yellow, according to Wall Street Journal reporter Vu Trong Khanh, and was first spotted by Singapore’s search and rescue force.

More than 40 ships and 22 aircraft from a number of countries are scouring the South China Sea for any sign of the vessel.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/09/malaysia-airlines-missing-plane-investigation-widens-live

[Kizzy]

The floating object spotted 100km south-southwest of Vietnam’s Tho Chu island is not wreckage from flight MH370, US officials have told CNN.

[Novo]

You would have thought they'd have found it by now

[arista]

You would have thought they'd have found it by now


No as if a plane goes
low down - there is no radar able to pick it up
so it lost tracking over the sea.

[Kizzy]

No as if a plane goes
low down - there is no radar able to pick it up
so it lost tracking over the sea.

What about the people tracking on or under the sea, you would have thought they would have spotted it?

[Jesus.]

No as if a plane goes
low down - there is no radar able to pick it up
so it lost tracking over the sea.

????????????????

So when a plane is coming in to land, it would also disappear from radar? I don't think so, Arista.

[arista]

????????????????

So when a plane is coming in to land, it would also disappear from radar? I don't think so, Arista.



No this was out at sea. Low Flying is not picked up on radar while over sea
many planes have gone missing that way

Not Like Land radar


this was pointed out on BBCNews

[arista]

What about the people tracking on or under the sea, you would have thought they would have spotted it?


Not yet as the Sea has moved it.

[Z]

Very strange...

[arista]

Very strange...




But they have got two passengers
that were bogus
so Until they are worked out (were they criminals or did they take a bomb?)
they are not ruling out Terrorism



A Vietnamese search and rescue plane has spotted what could be floating debris from the missing aircraft.

http://news.sky.com/story/1222942/malaysia-airlines-suspected-fragments-found

[user104658]

????????????????

So when a plane is coming in to land, it would also disappear from radar? I don't think so, Arista.

Planes actually are lost in "clutter" as they come in to land, although the reason they're not visible when flying low out at sea is different, and has to do with the curve of the earth and Radar shadow. Arista is actually correct, believe it or not! Hence the term, "flying beneath the radar".

[Ammi]

..they've ruled out the debris sightings, so they're still not close to finding anything....


http://news.sky.com/story/1223246/malaysia-airlines-missing-plane-unprecedented

[Novo]

Unreal, they don't even have any kind of indication for it could be even now

[Ammi]

..they're talking about it possibly disintegrating mid-air..I'm not sure what would cause that...

[arista]

That Tragic French plane years back (flight 447)


They found out a few years later , that was low to the sea (before going under)
and the Young Co-Pilot messed up his controls.
(the black box gave all the data)

[Ammi]

..it has been described as an 'unprecedented mystery'..probably because with Flight 447, I think there was a distress call just before it crashed but with this, there was nothing...



http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140310

[Nedusa]

I would thought they would be able to locate the bulk of the wreckage when they find the flight recorders as these give off signals which can be used to locate them.

Only problem might be wreckage is lying in very deep water in which case signal might be too weak to detect.

With no large spread of wreckage chances are plane did not explode in mid air but then if there was a problem and the plane lost altitude surely the pilots would have issued a mayday call.

It is a bit of a mystery.

[Ammi]

I would thought they would be able to locate the bulk of the wreckage when they find the flight recorders as these give off signals which can be used to locate them.

Only problem might be wreckage is lying in very deep water in which case signal might be too weak to detect.

With no large spread of wreckage chances are plane did not explode in mid air but then if there was a problem and the plane lost altitude surely the pilots would have issued a mayday call.

It is a bit of a mystery.

..yeah, it's the absence of a Mayday call that's really baffling..has there ever been a case when there hasn't been one...

[Nedusa]

..yeah, it's the absence of a Mayday call that's really baffling..has there ever been a case when there hasn't been one...

One possibility of course is that hijackers entered the cockpit and silenced the pilots, once in they could of course deliberately then crash the plane which could result in less wreckage than a mid air explosion.

[Livia]

They could have had a complete systems failure and been hundred of miles off course. There are a lot of reasons this might happen. I'm sure they'll find out soon.

[Jesus.]

I'm a bit of a fan of air crash investigation, and loads of crashes have happened in the past without an alarm being raised.

[arista]

I'm a bit of a fan of air crash investigation, and loads of crashes have happened in the past without an alarm being raised.


The best Docu was on Ch4HD
showing the Co-Pilot Error
on the the Tragic French Flight 447.
1 June 2009

[Z]

Planes actually are lost in "clutter" as they come in to land, although the reason they're not visible when flying low out at sea is different, and has to do with the curve of the earth and Radar shadow. Arista is actually correct, believe it or not! Hence the term, "flying beneath the radar".

I didn't know that! :hugesmile: You learn something new every day!

[Niamh.]

So far this is all they found of the plane

http://i.imgur.com/k2dbKqO.jpg

[Z]

So far this is all they found of the plane

http://i.imgur.com/k2dbKqO.jpg

:laugh2:

[Jesus.]

The best Docu was on Ch4HD
showing the Co-Pilot Error
on the the Tragic French Flight 447.
1 June 2009

I saw that one. It's weird how such experienced people can make such basic errors, especially when their own lives are on the line.

Did you ever see the ACI where the Russian pilot let his son sit in the captains seat and he disengaged the auto-pilot.

[AnnieK]

I saw that one. It's weird how such experienced people can make such basic errors, especially when their own lives are on the line.

Did you ever see the ACI where the Russian pilot let his son sit in the captains seat and he disengaged the auto-pilot.

I used to be obsessesed with Air Crash Investigation....not always the best thing to watch when you already have an irrational fear of flying

[BBfanUSA]

They're saying they haven't found the flight and the oil slick isn't related to it as well.

[arista]

They're saying they haven't found the flight and the oil slick isn't related to it as well.


they better get a move on as after 30 days
it will stop sending a signal

[arista]

I saw that one. It's weird how such experienced people can make such basic errors, especially when their own lives are on the line.

Did you ever see the ACI where the Russian pilot let his son sit in the captains seat and he disengaged the auto-pilot.


Yes that Co-Pilot
did not know what he was doing wrong on that French Tragic flight


Yes that Russian pilot was wrong to allow that

[Me. I Am Salman]

this is so creepy

[arista]

this is so creepy


Yes but over sea,
its very hard to track as the sea moves fast.


The 2 men with stolen passports
could just be typical criminals
or they could be something else.

Out there
their Database at Airports
does not track stolen passports
(as there is so many of them, to many for
a computer to check fast)
which is a Stinking problem

[Cherie]

What would be the point of a terrorist attack if nobody knows for sure that it was one.

[Jesus.]

What would be the point of a terrorist attack if nobody knows for sure that it was one.

Maybe other terrorists did terrorism on the people doing this terrorist attack, so no one would know it was a terrorist attack?

[arista]

What would be the point of a terrorist attack if nobody knows for sure that it was one.



If it was a Terror attack
all kinds of problems can happen
if the bomb is part liquid
and bits all over the place
it could have gone wrong.

And maybe they wanted to go down over land
but something alerted someone - then a rush.

Of course all this is like Movie Talk
until they locate the plane under the sea.
But they must hurry
as after 30 days signal could die (reported today)

[thesheriff443]

regardless of the cause, this story is not going to have a happy ending.

[arista]

regardless of the cause, this story is not going to have a happy ending.


Sadly True

[Cherie]

Maybe other terrorists did terrorism on the people doing this terrorist attack, so no one would know it was a terrorist attack?


eh :laugh:


If it was a Terror attack
all kinds of problems can happen
if the bomb is part liquid
and bits all over the place
it could have gone wrong.

And maybe they wanted to go down over land
but something alerted someone - then a rush.

Of course all this is like Movie Talk
until they locate the plane under the sea.
But they must hurry
as after 30 days signal could die (reported today)



Yeah I suppose so but I would have thought some organisation would have claimed responsibility if it were a terror attack, the two people travelling on false passports, points to terror I guess

[arista]

eh :laugh:






Yeah I suppose so but I would have thought some organisation would have claimed responsibility if it were a terror attack, the two people travelling on false passports, points to terror I guess

Sure but they could also be loners.


Also Out There
Fake Passports are very common

So time will tell
or in 30 days - thats the end


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/10/294915/default/v1/malaysia-airlines-plane-search-1-626x352.jpg

[Ammi]

The missing Malaysia Airlines flight may be proving so hard to find because it vanished in an aviation "black spot", an expert has told Sky News.

Former Boeing 777 instructor and United Airlines captain Ross Aimer said it was "disturbing" that there had been no distress call from flight MH370's cockpit and that the plane's emergency locator transmitters had not sent any signals.

He said: "These are very sophisticated equipment that should have been working under any condition - in the water, in the jungle, after a fire, after an explosion - and none of them have talked to the outside world yet.

"There are spots in the world, however, that are called blind spots, where you can not communicate for some reason.

"Unfortunately, that area near Vietnam, over the Gulf of Thailand, those are some of the black spots, so perhaps at that time there was no data transmission between the aircraft and the airline."

Flight MH370 vanished from radar screens early on Saturday about one hour into a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

When it last made contact, the Malaysia Airlines jet was at cruising altitude, 11km (35,000 feet) above sea level, largely considered the safest part of a flight

While there is still no confirmation that the Boeing 777-200 crashed, aviation experts have put forward possible causes of its disappearance including a terrorist attack, extreme turbulence, human error or even suicide.

The failure of the pilots to send a distress signal has given rise to speculation there was a sudden catastrophe - possibly caused by a mechanical failure or an explosion.

Former Navy pilot Dr Simon Mitchell has told Sky News that despite flying becoming safer over the years, mistakes are still made.

"We've expended billions of dollars on developing very sophisticated aids to make the life of the pilot safer and more straightforward, but there are still opportunities whereby mistakes can be made," he said.

Investigations into Air France flight 447 that plunged into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, killing 228 people, eventually concluded that both technical and human error were to blame for the disaster

Closer to the area where MH370 vanished, Adam Air flight 574 with 102 people on board disappeared in January 2007, also at its cruise phase, during a domestic flight in Indonesia.

Authorities found the pilots lost control after becoming preoccupied with malfunctioning navigational equipment.

The lack of wreckage from MH370 also suggests a high-altitude disaster which spread debris across an area too wide to be easily detected.

Aviation experts say the size of the debris field will be one of the first indicators of what happened.

A smaller field would indicate the plane probably fell intact, breaking up upon impact with the water.

A large, widespread field would signal the plane probably broke apart at a high elevation, perhaps because of a bomb or a massive airframe failure

But sudden, accidental structural failures are considered extremely unlikely in today's passenger aircraft.

This is especially so with the Boeing 777-200, which has one of the best safety records of any jet.

Authorities have not ruled out terrorism or hijacking, though, with suspicions over two of the passengers found to be travelling on stolen passports.

"There are two categories of people who use these (stolen passports) - criminals and terrorists," Rohan Gunaratna, a terrorism expert at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University, said.

In the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, there was substantial wreckage despite it being a mid-air explosion, and claims of responsibility came soon after the disaster

But no-one has come forward to claim the Malaysia incident as their attack.

Whatever caused the apparent crash, there would be some debris - but it could take a while to find.

It took two years to find the main wreckage of the Air France plane plunged into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, killing 228 people.

An Indonesian navy ship detected metal on the ocean floor a week after the Adam Air flight disappeared in 2007.

It was a further two weeks before the US Navy picked up signals from the flight data and cockpit recorders, and seven months for the recorder to be recovered

The Malaysian jet could have made a U-turn shortly before it vanished, officials say, adding one more level of uncertainty to the effort to find it.

It is thought the plane could be hundreds of miles from where it was last detected, and the search has been widened in the hope of finding the plane.

Just about every major jet to disappear in the modern era has eventually been found. The rare exceptions did not involve passengers.

In September 1990, a Boeing 727 owned by the Peruvian Faucett Airlines ditched into the North Atlantic after running out of fuel on its way to Miami.

The accident was attributed to poor pilot planning and the wreck was never recovered.

More mysterious was the disappearance of another Boeing 727 being used to transport diesel fuel to diamond mines in Africa.

The owners had numerous financial problems and the plane took off without clearance and with its transponder turned off. It is believed to have crashed in the Atlantic Ocean.

One theory, never proven, is that it was stolen so the owner could collect insurance



http://news.sky.com/story/1223758/malaysia-airlines-plane-what-has-happened

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/11/295033/default/v1/2014-03-11t090116z-1678829301-gm1ea3b1ams01-rtrmadp-3-malaysia-plane-1-522x293.jpg
Missing Malaysia Jet Suspect 'Not Terrorist'



By Mark Stone, Asia Correspondent, in Kuala Lumpur

[One of two men who used false passports to board the missing
Malaysia Airlines flight was an Iranian asylum seeker and not
believed to belong to a terrorist group, say police.
The development came as rescue teams enlarged
their search for the aircraft to include a vast
area on the west peninsula of Malaysia at the Straits of Malacca.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1223813/missing-malaysia-jet-suspect-not-terrorist

[Cherie]

aw poor guy.

[arista]

New Reports have just come in (A Malaysian Air Force man tracker)
that the Plane had done a complete U Turn?

Were the pilots being held under terrorists or something else (a possible pilot wanting to die)
why did they not Radio a signal in?


Ref :SkyNewsHD and CNN Live UK and USA

[Missing Malaysia Jet 'Tracked Miles Off Course'
Four days after flight MH370 and its 239 passengers
and crew vanished without trace, sources in the
Malaysian military revealed they have evidence
the Beijing-bound plane made a U-turn - a theory
that was suspected early in the investigation.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1223813/missing-malaysia-jet-tracked-miles-off-course



On CNN a top pilot just confirmed in that Cockpit communications
can be turned off fast. (or a Plane error can stop them)
He also said the plane had not broken up but by hand had turned around.

[arista]

No debris, no Mayday, but a host of questions

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578803/No-debris-no-mayday-host-questions-GUY-WALTERS-offers-answers-mysteries-surrounding-MH370.html#ixzz2vlaoq8h3



No Mayday
could be because they were to busy flying low
trying to save the plane.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/11/article-2578199-1C2F0B3800000578-793_634x422.jpg
Yes they have wasted 4 days looking in the wrong area

[Apple202]

what if it was an alien abduction!!

[Z]

This is so bizarre, feels like with each passing day it gets more and more mysterious!

[arista]

what if it was an alien abduction!!


No many think that if its terrorist
a loner ,
The Malaysia Power
does not want the world to
know. But to hide this would be crazy



Did it go down in a jungle zone?

Is it deep down in a Zone they are not looking into?

[arista]

This is so bizarre, feels like with each passing day it gets more and more mysterious!


It was 2 years later they found the French Flight
447.


So it could be
days , months or years



One of the pilots on another flight let 2 sexy women in his cockpit
they posted photos today.
That will not help.

[MTVN]

If mobile phones are still ringing can't they trace them?

[Livia]

It sounds like the plot of Tomorrow Never Dies.

[Z]

If mobile phones are still ringing can't they trace them?

I think they can roughly triangulate them but I'm not sure how accurately and obviously if they're in the water then the positions will keep moving and the chances are they've travelled quite far away from the wreckage... if indeed it's crashed

[Z]

Isn't it odd though, that phones are ringing? Shouldn't they have been switched off on the flight? Or is that not a universal rule on all flights? Did people perhaps turn them on fearing they were about to die to try and call loved ones?

[arista]

If mobile phones are still ringing can't they trace them?




Underwater - NO

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/12/article-2579064-1C3872D900000578-864_634x286.jpg
[DigitalGlobe has put its high-resolution satellite images online
so people can search for the missing Malaysia flight.
User Mike Seberger tagged this image of what appears to be
the wreckage of a plane underwater. The sighting is now being investigated by experts]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2579064/Could-YOU-solve-mystery-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-flight-Satellite-images-public-help-locate-MH370-jet.html#ixzz2vmidk3tC



http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/12/295367/default/v1/fariq-abdul-hamid-zaharie-ahmad-shah-split-1-1-522x293.jpg
The aircraft's pilots Fariq Abdul Hamid and Zaharie Ahmad Shah

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/11/295235/default/v1/cegrab-20140311-222327-164-1-522x293.jpg
Mr Hamid with Ms Roos (C) and her friend Pic: Channel Nine



The sexy women that went into his cockpit
on another flight .

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/13/article-2579524-1C3DE9C100000578-246_964x400.jpg
[Hopes that Chinese satellite had found MH370 dashed as
US counter-terrorism officials investigate
the terrifying possibility the plane was captured and flown to another country ]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579524/Chinese-satellite-finds-suspected-crash-site-Malaysian-Airlines-flight-370-South-China-Sea-did-three-days-release-them.html#ixzz2vp43k0a0

[Nedusa]

US investigators are pursuing the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and its 239 passengers and crew are being held against their will at an unknown location.

The Wall Street Journal has this afternoon published sensational claims that counterterrorism officials now believe somebody on board deliberately turned off the plane’s transponders to avoid radar detection.

The report said data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing 777’s engines indicated the plane remained in the air for a total of five hours – a further four hours after contact was lost.

“Officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted ‘with the intention of using it later for another purpose’,” the paper said, quoting an unnamed source.

Much more to this story than we are being told ..........!!!

[Cherie]

US investigators are pursuing the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and its 239 passengers and crew are being held against their will at an unknown location.

The Wall Street Journal has this afternoon published sensational claims that counterterrorism officials now believe somebody on board deliberately turned off the plane’s transponders to avoid radar detection.

The report said data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing 777’s engines indicated the plane remained in the air for a total of five hours – a further four hours after contact was lost.

“Officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted ‘with the intention of using it later for another purpose’,” the paper said, quoting an unnamed source.

Much more to this story than we are being told ..........!!!

Feel so sorry for the families waiting to hear news, they lurch from hope to no hope to hope again. A plane of that size would be fairly hard to hide wouldn't it..

[Nedusa]

Feel so sorry for the families waiting to hear news, they lurch from hope to no hope to hope again. A plane of that size would be fairly hard to hide wouldn't it..

I agree...........hearing these reports of Hijacking may give them some small amount of hope but as we have seen from this fast moving news story every claim is sooner or later found to be inaccurate and the hope then disappears.

Torture for the families, just hope this story has an ending and a happy one at that but I am not that optimistic.

[Cherie]

I agree...........hearing these reports of Hijacking may give them some small amount of hope but as we have seen from this fast moving news story every claim is sooner or later found to be inaccurate and the hope then disappears.

Torture for the families, just hope this story has an ending and a happy one at that but I am not that optimistic.

Yeah that coupled with the phones ringing, though there has been a reason given for this.

[Z]

God... this is just mental, actually not so sure now that it's crashed, it's strange that they haven't been able to find any wreckage after so long...

[Nedusa]

There are so many unanswered questions. Here are some of the questions that must be asked.

1. Why wasn't there a locator beacon if the aircraft if it did crash?
2. GPS is used in all modern large aircraft and especially a 777.
3. No sign of any wreckage and even if the aircraft was submersed there would still be a fuel slick.
4. Satellites are used all over the world and radar is tracked by not just one facility but numerous tracking locations because countries track all aircraft near or in their airspace
5. Why were cell phones still working after the disappearance.
6. To debris to date has been found.
7. Any aircraft that large would need a long runway to land with that much weight on board. Why doesn't the Malaysian government do a search on all runways with 10,000 feet of runway and tell the news media it has cleared all airports?

Seems strange this is hushed up just like KAL 007 in 1983. Something is very fishy about all of this.

[Nedusa]

And of course why have they not picked up the signals from the Flight and Data recorders as these signals will continue to be transmitted for up to 30 days from day of disappearance, and signals should be strong enough to be picked up especially if the plane debris is lying in relatively shallow water.

[Jesus.]

And of course why have they not picked up the signals from the Flight and Data recorders as these signals will continue to be transmitted for up to 30 days from day of disappearance, and signals should be strong enough to be picked up especially if the plane debris is lying in relatively shallow water.

The signals on those aren't great, as they are mainly for focussing in on them once the wreckage has been found.

[arista]

There are so many unanswered questions. Here are some of the questions that must be asked.

1. Why wasn't there a locator beacon if the aircraft if it did crash?
2. GPS is used in all modern large aircraft and especially a 777.
3. No sign of any wreckage and even if the aircraft was submersed there would still be a fuel slick.
4. Satellites are used all over the world and radar is tracked by not just one facility but numerous tracking locations because countries track all aircraft near or in their airspace
5. Why were cell phones still working after the disappearance.
6. To debris to date has been found.
7. Any aircraft that large would need a long runway to land with that much weight on board. Why doesn't the Malaysian government do a search on all runways with 10,000 feet of runway and tell the news media it has cleared all airports?

Seems strange this is hushed up just like KAL 007 in 1983. Something is very fishy about all of this.



it took 2 years to locate the French 447 flight
at the bottom of the sea.


No it just takes time to find it.

[Me. I Am Salman]

sky news just announced seconds ago that the Washington pentagon may have some information on its whereabouts, which they're gathering as I type this

[Me. I Am Salman]

a navy ship is on it's way to the straits of malacca
#underwhelmed

[Z]

So strange!

[Verbal]

Cant be bothered to read the entire thread, has anybody seen http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014 you can search through satellite images of the area looking for it.

[the truth]

when are where was it seen last? the news isnt clear as usual

[Gstar]

this is so scary

[Samm]

Aliens?

[Me. I Am Salman]

I feel so sorry for the families, a lot of them are apparently suicidal it's terrible
I can't imagine having a family member in a situation like that and be expected to live the rest of my life not knowing whatever truly happened to them. It'd be so much easier to just have them dead & buried. I really really hope they find them :(

[GypsyGoth]

I watched the american version of this show, it was called The Event. I don't want to spoil what's gonna happen, but the plane shows up again and they try fly it into the president or something. It's pretty good.

[King Gizzard]

Just goes to show how ridiculously massive the ocean is, as obvious as that sounds

[Ammi]

I feel so sorry for the families, a lot of them are apparently suicidal it's terrible
I can't imagine having a family member in a situation like that and be expected to live the rest of my life not knowing whatever truly happened to them. It'd be so much easier to just have them dead & buried. I really really hope they find them :(


..yeah, I think not knowing is probably the worst feeling you can have because you can't begin coming to terms with anything or begin grieving and however unlikely will hang on to hope that your loved one is alive somewhere and you're completely helpless to them...

[arista]

[Officials 'convinced' two communications systems on missing jet
were deliberately shut off 14-minutes apart as it
emerges aircraft Did keep 'pinging' for hours after vanishing at 35,000 ft]

Crazy Piliot or someone armed in control

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/14/article-2579955-1C45E0A800000578-807_634x992.jpg

[Nedusa]

Apparently there is footage from the Flight Tracker App (which I have on my I - Phone) which shows the flight in question moving on it's normal flightpath, also visible is another plane which has no squawk signal ie not identifable . This "plane" then moves very fast near the MAS flight and then shoots away off screen much faster than all other planes being tracked.

The MAS flight continues for a few minutes makes a few turns and then........just disappears completely...!!!

I will try and post a link to this clip as I think it is on YouTube.

Could it be a hoax Youtube clip.. possibly as you would think this clip if authenticated would be showing on all News channels by now so I guess some doubt remains over it's authenticity. But I will try and post the link later so you can judge for yourselves.

[Nedusa]

I think the link is

http://www.flightradar24.com/38.06.-97/7

[Z]

Well if it's true... what on earth were they flying towards in the Indian Ocean? If it was just a pure suicide mission then they could have just crashed it into the water where the flight was heading over; so either they've intentionally trolled the world or it was hijacked and heading to another location... but there's barely anything in the Indian Ocean, certainly not in that direction, unless it was heading for southern Africa?

[Kizzy]

Explanation of satellite 'pings'.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350

[arista]

Well if it's true... what on earth were they flying towards in the Indian Ocean? If it was just a pure suicide mission then they could have just crashed it into the water where the flight was heading over; so either they've intentionally trolled the world or it was hijacked and heading to another location... but there's barely anything in the Indian Ocean, certainly not in that direction, unless it was heading for southern Africa?



Yes could well be

[LikeABoatOnWater]

I'm thinking alien abduction.

[arista]

I'm thinking alien abduction.


No Way



The French 447 tragic flight
was under the sea - took 2 years to find it
Co -Pilot error was the cause.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

No Way



The French 447 tragic flight
was under the sea - took 2 years to find it
Co -Pilot error was the cause.

Was that the one from rio to Paris because they found dedbrise
within two day iirc it just took 2 years to get the black box.
Aliens is the only logical conclusion at this point

[arista]

[The pilot's house is reportedly searched
as Malaysia's PM says communications
on the flight were almost certainly disabled.]

What the hell was going on?

http://news.sky.com/story/1226362/deliberate-action-diverted-missing-plane

[Cherie]

Makes you wonder if the pilot was suffering from some kind of breakdown and chose this time to make his exit from the world taking all those poor people with him.

[lostalex]

why the **** is it the US that has to figure this whole thing out? i thought China was "the new super power"??? why aren't they taking the lead, it's in their own back yard.

It's really annoying me that the US has been leading this whole investigation, and all the asian countries seem clueless.

Are the asian countries going to reimburse us for all of the millions of dollars we have spent on this investigation? ( I already know the answer, it's a big fat NO)

[lostalex]

I think it was a hijacking, but it turned into a flight 93 (the plane that the passengers fought back on 9/11 and ended up crashing into a field in Pennsylvania)

I think the only reason we haven't had anyone take responsibility yet, is because it was a failed attempt, and obviously terrorists don't want to take credit for a failed attempt, it would make them look incompetent.

i really wanna know what the target was, it might have been a target in china, and maybe that's why China has been so hush hush so far, and why the US is so enthusiastic to figure this out.

China of course wants the world to think it's a happy cohesive place with a booming economy, but of course China does have a long history of terrorism, and many groups that would want to try this sort of attack.

It's interesting. if it really was just a disaster with no political motives, you would expect to see China more involved. and WTF is with those fake satellite images they tried to release a few days ago? very strange. they claimed it was just a "mistake" but the Chinese government doesn't make mistakes, they are very calculated. Why would they release fake satellite images, and surely they knew they weren't of the wreckage, were they trying to stall for time? to throw the investigation off track?

we need to find this ****ing plane. cause i wanna know.

[arista]

I think it was a hijacking, but it turned into a flight 93 (the plane that the passengers fought back on 9/11 and ended up crashing into a field in Pennsylvania)

I think the only reason we haven't had anyone take responsibility yet, is because it was a failed attempt, and obviously terrorists don't want to take credit for a failed attempt, it would make them look incompetent.

i really wanna know what the target was, it might have been a target in china, and maybe that's why China has been so hush hush so far, and why the US is so enthusiastic to figure this out.

China of course wants the world to think it's a happy cohesive place with a booming economy, but of course China does have a long history of terrorism, and many groups that would want to try this sort of attack.

It's interesting. if it really was just a disaster with no political motives, you would expect to see China more involved. and WTF is with those fake satellite images they tried to release a few days ago? very strange. they claimed it was just a "mistake" but the Chinese government doesn't make mistakes, they are very calculated. Why would they release fake satellite images, and surely they knew they weren't of the wreckage, were they trying to stall for time? to throw the investigation off track?

we need to find this ****ing plane. cause i wanna know.



Yes could well be
taking it into the sea.

[smeagol]

I think it was a hijacking, but it turned into a flight 93 (the plane that the passengers fought back on 9/11 and ended up crashing into a field in Pennsylvania)

I think the only reason we haven't had anyone take responsibility yet, is because it was a failed attempt, and obviously terrorists don't want to take credit for a failed attempt, it would make them look incompetent.

i really wanna know what the target was, it might have been a target in china, and maybe that's why China has been so hush hush so far, and why the US is so enthusiastic to figure this out.

China of course wants the world to think it's a happy cohesive place with a booming economy, but of course China does have a long history of terrorism, and many groups that would want to try this sort of attack.

It's interesting. if it really was just a disaster with no political motives, you would expect to see China more involved. and WTF is with those fake satellite images they tried to release a few days ago? very strange. they claimed it was just a "mistake" but the Chinese government doesn't make mistakes, they are very calculated. Why would they release fake satellite images, and surely they knew they weren't of the wreckage, were they trying to stall for time? to throw the investigation off track?

we need to find this ****ing plane. cause i wanna know.

why are blaming china. when china is the one asking for more info. and trying to help with everybody else

[arista]

Flight MH370: last message to Malaysia sent
'after communications disabled'
Revelation suggests person who
delivered 'All right, good night'
message from missing plane
knew system had been shut down


Are the Sure they have the times correct
of that sent?


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/16/flight-mh370-last-message-communications-disabled-malaysia

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/16/1394980443756/A-Malaysian-air-force-air-009.jpg



Another big problem with this story
is its Hogging news time. (keeping other news away)
With Ex Pilots giving their soul.
Reported today on MediaBuzz on FoxNewsHD
3PM UK time
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ZDXPyDvSUW8/0.jpg

[Verbal]

National Report>Media reports from around the world continue to create more questions than answers with regard to the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Indications from a crash at sea to the aircraft being offered for sale on the internet have proven impossible to substantiate. Sources in China now indicate that the missing Boeing 777 may in fact be on the ground in Pyongyang, North Korea.

High definition satellites have rendered images of what looks to be a Boeing 777 on the ground at a military installation in the DPRK. All identifying airline markings appear to have been removed with the exception of a small Malaysian flag remaining on the upper portion of each side of the fuselage. Of equal concern is a spy photo depicting a Malaysia Airlines 777 landing at Pyongyang’s Sunan Shuofang International Airport on March 9th, 2014. This would be considered highly unusual inasmuch as there are no scheduled airline services from the carrier to any destination within the DPRK. Chinese ambassador Liu Hongkai has not been successful with his inquiries to the secretive state as this incident continues to unfold.


Reports have surfaced that North Korea’s Kim Jong Un had been shopping for a new presidential jetliner and had become frustrated that his requests to purchase a new 767 or 777 aircraft directly from Boeing had been rebuffed and that it is plausible that he “may” have taken other more draconian measures to obtain an aircraft of this type on his own. It is well known that “Dear Leader” has an affinity for western luxury goods from Jet Ski’s to exotic cars, 4k flat screen televisions and other niceties that are totally unknown by the citizens of his reclusive nation.

Unnamed CIA operatives have indicated it would not be out of character for Kim Jong Un to go to such lengths to acquire an aircraft in such a brazen fashion. These same sources indicated that “Dear Leader” recently dispatched agents to steal for him a new 2014 Corvette that was on world tour at a Beijing car show as well as a deluxe walk in bathtub on display in a Honolulu Costco store. If it turns out that the mercurial leader of North Korea has gone on a global thieving spree, there may be even more such incidents to come.

http://nationalreport.net/missing-malaysia-777-airliner-may-north-korea/

[arista]

National Report>Media reports from around the world continue to create more questions than answers with regard to the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Indications from a crash at sea to the aircraft being offered for sale on the internet have proven impossible to substantiate. Sources in China now indicate that the missing Boeing 777 may in fact be on the ground in Pyongyang, North Korea.

High definition satellites have rendered images of what looks to be a Boeing 777 on the ground at a military installation in the DPRK. All identifying airline markings appear to have been removed with the exception of a small Malaysian flag remaining on the upper portion of each side of the fuselage. Of equal concern is a spy photo depicting a Malaysia Airlines 777 landing at Pyongyang’s Sunan Shuofang International Airport on March 9th, 2014. This would be considered highly unusual inasmuch as there are no scheduled airline services from the carrier to any destination within the DPRK. Chinese ambassador Liu Hongkai has not been successful with his inquiries to the secretive state as this incident continues to unfold.


Reports have surfaced that North Korea’s Kim Jong Un had been shopping for a new presidential jetliner and had become frustrated that his requests to purchase a new 767 or 777 aircraft directly from Boeing had been rebuffed and that it is plausible that he “may” have taken other more draconian measures to obtain an aircraft of this type on his own. It is well known that “Dear Leader” has an affinity for western luxury goods from Jet Ski’s to exotic cars, 4k flat screen televisions and other niceties that are totally unknown by the citizens of his reclusive nation.

Unnamed CIA operatives have indicated it would not be out of character for Kim Jong Un to go to such lengths to acquire an aircraft in such a brazen fashion. These same sources indicated that “Dear Leader” recently dispatched agents to steal for him a new 2014 Corvette that was on world tour at a Beijing car show as well as a deluxe walk in bathtub on display in a Honolulu Costco store. If it turns out that the mercurial leader of North Korea has gone on a global thieving spree, there may be even more such incidents to come.

http://nationalreport.net/missing-malaysia-777-airliner-may-north-korea/



That would be good
then they are all alive

But I think its at the bottom of the Ocean sadly

[Verbal]

That would be good
then they are all alive

But I think its at the bottom of the Ocean sadly

All alive and in labor camps, I think most of them would rather be at the bottom of the sea as well.

[arista]

All alive and in labor camps, I think most of them would rather be at the bottom of the sea as well.


No Way
there is loads of storys like that

[Locke.]

Not sure why this is getting no coverage

While four passengers who boarded a missing Malaysian jet are under special investigation for stolen and other passport-related issues, twenty passengers were involved in cutting edge electronic technology used for defense purposes, including electronic warfare, such as weapons that can "cloak" or make planes invisible, appearing to vanish. If this is the case with the missing jet, the event points to terrorism.

Freescale confirmed yesterday that of the 239 passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, 20 are employed by the leading edge electronic company: twelve from Malaysia and eight from China.

http://www.examiner.com/article/malaysia-jet-hidden-by-electronic-weaponry-20-ew-defense-linked-passengers

The passengers are dead but the plane has been landed somewhere and will (attempted) be used in an attack somewhere in the future

[arista]

"Not sure why this is getting no coverage"


Its a Fake story

[Ammi]

..there are so many different report now and they can't all be right..this must be awful for the families/the worst kind of purgatory because they can't even begin to grieve if they feel there is any hope at all of their loved ones being alive...if there is no absolute proof that the plane has landed then I wish it wasn't allowed to be reported as a possibility, the whole thing is just completely cruel and heartless...

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/16/296353/default/v1/times-1-329x437.jpg

[Locke.]

"Not sure why this is getting no coverage"


Its a Fake story

Please provide a source Arista, we don't have any time for messing about

[Kyle]

I've seen all sorts of theories and stuff thrown out by people on the internet but the most crazy and interesting up to now I've seen is the one about 'atmospheric beasts'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_beast

Never even heard of that theory before :hugesmile:

[Cherie]

"Not sure why this is getting no coverage"


Its a Fake story

it is a bit more plausible than some of the other stories flying around!

[Z]

I'm starting to believe that one or both of the pilots + some or all of the crew were paid off by someone to steal the plane and there are only a few places in the world where you can go with a stolen plane and not be detected... and I'm looking at North Korea as prime suspect number one.

[Niamh.]

I'm starting to believe that one or both of the pilots + some or all of the crew were paid off by someone to steal the plane and there are only a few places in the world where you can go with a stolen plane and not be detected... and I'm looking at North Korea as prime suspect number one.

Possibly, I perish to think what has happened to the passengers if that's the case

[Z]

Possibly, I perish to think what has happened to the passengers if that's the case

I was theorising about it with my dad yesterday, if that's indeed what happened and where the plane went, I really don't know what they would have done with all the passengers. On the one hand I don't think North Korea is as draconian as people make it out to be, I don't think they'd mass murder 200+ passengers but at the same time, it can't even feed its own population, why would they willingly house so many different people even if they wanted to keep them hostage? Scary...

[MTVN]

I dunno, a discreet act of state sponsored terrorism doesn't really seem like North Korea's style, they're normally keen to be really belligerent and show off their prowess and military might. Plus they do have a really strong army and a nuclear arsenal, what would they want with a commercial aircraft?

[Novo]

I think the prime suspect here is none other then Bootle and in a few years time you'll see it being sold in the Antique shop in the Strand for a few quid, funny how david has took a keen interest in the case all of a sudden

[Cherie]

What baffles me is if the plane was diverted somewhere, is that not one of the passengers was able to get a message to someone on their phone during the alleged hijack.

[MTVN]

What baffles me is if the plane was diverted somewhere, is that not one of the passengers was able to get a message to someone on their phone during the alleged hijack.

Not allowed to have your phones on during flights you see

[Locke.]

The passengers were all killed when the plane ascended to 45,000 feet.

[Z]

Some of the phones are ringing as well... so I'd assume people tried to turn them on to contact a loved one when they realised something bad was about to happen (hijacking, crash) but either the phones were confiscated or the plane crashed before they could get reception (as obviously when you turn your phone on it takes a second and I'd imagine up at that height phone signal isn't exactly forthcoming

[Cherie]

Not allowed to have your phones on during flights you see

yes I guess the hijackers would also be observing the no walking in the aisles during take off and landing as well during a hijack :laugh:

[arista]

[MH370: 26 countries searching area
larger than Australia, officials say
Malaysia urges countries on plane's
potential path to re analyse
military radar data in hope
of narrowing down search area]


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/18/mh370-26-countries-searching-area-larger-australia


Yes it may be at the bottom of the sea.
Pilot becomes Evil.

[Verbal]

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.

For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)

What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.

Ongoing speculation of a hijacking and/or murder-suicide and that there was a flight engineer on board does not sway me in favor of foul play until I am presented with evidence of foul play.

We know there was a last voice transmission that, from a pilot’s point of view, was entirely normal. “Good night” is customary on a hand-off to a new air traffic control. The “good night” also strongly indicates to me that all was OK on the flight deck. Remember, there are many ways a pilot can communicate distress. A hijack code or even transponder code off by one digit would alert ATC that something was wrong. Every good pilot knows keying an SOS over the mike always is an option. Even three short clicks would raise an alert. So I conclude that at the point of voice transmission all was perceived as well on the flight deck by the pilots.

But things could have been in the process of going wrong, unknown to the pilots.

Evidently the ACARS went inoperative some time before. Disabling the ACARS is not easy, as pointed out. This leads me to believe more in an electrical problem or an electrical fire than a manual shutdown. I suggest the pilots probably were not aware ACARS was not transmitting.

As for the reports of altitude fluctuations, given that this was not transponder-generated data but primary radar at maybe 200 miles, the azimuth readings can be affected by a lot of atmospherics and I would not have high confidence in this being totally reliable. But let’s accept for a minute that the pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen. That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible. The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet. The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames.

But going to 45,000 feet in a hijack scenario doesn’t make any good sense to me.

Regarding the additional flying time: On departing Kuala Lampur, Flight 370 would have had fuel for Beijing and an alternate destination, probably Shanghai, plus 45 minutes–say, 8 hours. Maybe more. He burned 20-25 percent in the first hour with takeoff and the climb to cruise. So when the turn was made toward Langkawi, he would have had six hours or more hours worth of fuel. This correlates nicely with the Inmarsat data pings being received until fuel exhaustion.

The now known continued flight until time to fuel exhaustion only confirms to me that the crew was incapacitated and the flight continued on deep into the south Indian ocean.

There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces, but in the meantime it serves no purpose to malign pilots who well may have been in a struggle to save this aircraft from a fire or other serious mechanical issue. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. There is no doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijacking would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It probably would have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided where they were taking it.

Surprisingly, none of the reporters, officials, or other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot’s viewpoint: If something went wrong, where would he go? Thanks to Google Earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well-remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed, I believe, in Columbus, Ohio in the 1980s. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn’t instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually, but lost 30-odd souls. The 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. They simply ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what? The transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.

Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. Two plus two equals four. For me, that is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction. Smart pilot. He just didn’t have the time.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

[arista]

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Clip from Letterman
from last night O'Reilly show


Very Logical Valid points

[Nedusa]

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.

For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)

What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.

Ongoing speculation of a hijacking and/or murder-suicide and that there was a flight engineer on board does not sway me in favor of foul play until I am presented with evidence of foul play.

We know there was a last voice transmission that, from a pilot’s point of view, was entirely normal. “Good night” is customary on a hand-off to a new air traffic control. The “good night” also strongly indicates to me that all was OK on the flight deck. Remember, there are many ways a pilot can communicate distress. A hijack code or even transponder code off by one digit would alert ATC that something was wrong. Every good pilot knows keying an SOS over the mike always is an option. Even three short clicks would raise an alert. So I conclude that at the point of voice transmission all was perceived as well on the flight deck by the pilots.

But things could have been in the process of going wrong, unknown to the pilots.

Evidently the ACARS went inoperative some time before. Disabling the ACARS is not easy, as pointed out. This leads me to believe more in an electrical problem or an electrical fire than a manual shutdown. I suggest the pilots probably were not aware ACARS was not transmitting.

As for the reports of altitude fluctuations, given that this was not transponder-generated data but primary radar at maybe 200 miles, the azimuth readings can be affected by a lot of atmospherics and I would not have high confidence in this being totally reliable. But let’s accept for a minute that the pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen. That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible. The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet. The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames.

But going to 45,000 feet in a hijack scenario doesn’t make any good sense to me.

Regarding the additional flying time: On departing Kuala Lampur, Flight 370 would have had fuel for Beijing and an alternate destination, probably Shanghai, plus 45 minutes–say, 8 hours. Maybe more. He burned 20-25 percent in the first hour with takeoff and the climb to cruise. So when the turn was made toward Langkawi, he would have had six hours or more hours worth of fuel. This correlates nicely with the Inmarsat data pings being received until fuel exhaustion.

The now known continued flight until time to fuel exhaustion only confirms to me that the crew was incapacitated and the flight continued on deep into the south Indian ocean.

There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces, but in the meantime it serves no purpose to malign pilots who well may have been in a struggle to save this aircraft from a fire or other serious mechanical issue. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. There is no doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijacking would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It probably would have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided where they were taking it.

Surprisingly, none of the reporters, officials, or other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot’s viewpoint: If something went wrong, where would he go? Thanks to Google Earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well-remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed, I believe, in Columbus, Ohio in the 1980s. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn’t instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually, but lost 30-odd souls. The 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. They simply ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what? The transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.

Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. Two plus two equals four. For me, that is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction. Smart pilot. He just didn’t have the time.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

This is a very well researched and constructed theory as to how this plane made it's last fateful journey, obviously your flying experience has allowed you to offer this seemingly well thought out sequence of events on that fateful night.

what I cannot understand is if you apply Occam's razor which states the simplest explanation is the most probable, how come we have not heard this explanation from all the dozens of experts from all the Countries involved in the search for this plane.

why are we getting complex and complicated theories of Hijackings and terrorists when this explanation fits into the main evidence of what we know for sure.

Perhaps there is still more to this story than a simple fire.........

Great Post btw..........:thumbs::thumbs:

[Nedusa]

The only issue I have here with this theory is the amount of time the plane was flying whilst a full scale fire raged through the plane (assuming all the Passengers and crew were dead from smoke inhalation). Wouldn't a fire burning that long (5 or 6 hours) have destroyed the intergrity of the plane, the fuel pumps, none of the avionics could still be working ie Autopilot, surely the plane would have crashed long before it could fly on for 5 or 6 hours ??

[Nedusa]

This Theory is now starting to tie in with the sightings of this plane just past the tip of the southern Maldives.

If you look at the location of Pulau Langkaw, you will notice the plane diverted directly on that path. You will also notice that the Maldives are also directly on this path, albeit Maldives are several hundred miles to the west of it.

Here is the picture being painted.

1) Take off from Kuala Lumpr, front landing gear tire catches fire on take off, but stows as per normal in the belly of the aircraft.

2) Flight continues as normal. Messages ATC with Goodnight message (all seems well)

3) Pilot notices smoke in the cockpit. Immediately starts emergency landing procedure, punching in coords to the Pulau Langkaw airport. Planes takes sharp left turn.

4) Pilot and co-pilot start to fight fire and pull buses, smoke consumes them and they pass out.

5) Plane continues flying on those coords until fuel runs out, just passed the Maldives.

We now have two coords, the coords at the left turn, and the coords of the airport, as well as a distance, the Maldives. I would suspect if you follow that ray, you will find our planes final resting place beyond the Maldives.

[Jesus.]

The only issue I have here with this theory is the amount of time the plane was flying whilst a full scale fire raged through the plane (assuming all the Passengers and crew were dead from smoke inhalation). Wouldn't a fire burning that long (5 or 6 hours) have destroyed the intergrity of the plane, the fuel pumps, none of the avionics could still be working ie Autopilot, surely the plane would have crashed long before it could fly on for 5 or 6 hours ??

I really doubt it. That guy is a pilot, so obviously he knows more than I do, but a fire on a jet plane wouldn't last 5 hours, because the chances are it would interfere with the hydraulics somewhere along the line, and make the plane completely unstable. If I've learned anything from ACI, it's that once the hydraulics go, then you can pretty much forget it.

[Nedusa]

I really doubt it. That guy is a pilot, so obviously he knows more than I do, but a fire on a jet plane wouldn't last 5 hours, because the chances are it would interfere with the hydraulics somewhere along the line, and make the plane completely unstable. If I've learned anything from ACI, it's that once the hydraulics go, then you can pretty much forget it.

Exactly my point...........nice simple explanation BUT a fire in plane burning for 5 to 6 hours and the plane still flying on with the Autopilot engaged....I seriously doubt it.

[lostalex]

someone intentionally shut off the trackers on the plane. it's clearly a hijacking. they hijacked the plane , probably intended to get a ransom, but the chinese passengers pulled a flight 93, over powered the hijackers, and it crashed into the ocean. no survivors.

There's 200 dead people and a fuselage in the indian ocean right now. I'd put money on it.

[arista]

someone intentionally shut off the trackers on the plane. it's clearly a hijacking. they hijacked the plane and it was a flight 93 into the ocean. i'm sure of it. no survivors.

Yes but the pilots
could have done it alone
So Suicide


like O'Reilly said
long before you

[lostalex]

Yes but the pilots
could have done it alone
So Suicide


like O'Reilly said
long before you

well o'reiley is getting paid for it, so i'd hope he'd have said it before me.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

and why are you watching FOX news?

[Jesus.]

Yes but the pilots
could have done it alone
So Suicide


like O'Reilly said
long before you

That would require a suicide pact from 2 pilots, and the more people you throw into it, the more unlikely it becomes. This isn't like other suspected pilot suicides where one of them pushes the nose down and away you go.

[arista]

well o'reiley is getting paid for it, so i'd hope he'd have said it before me.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

and why are you watching FOX news?



I watch loads of News
not just FoxNewsHD.

[arista]

That would require a suicide pact from 2 pilots, and the more people you throw into it, the more unlikely it becomes. This isn't like other suspected pilot suicides where one of them pushes the nose down and away you go.



sure maybe they were in love

[lostalex]

I watch loads of News
not just FoxNewsHD.

on the internet or on satellite?

[lostalex]

jesus is right, it seemed to be at a casual pace that they shut off the transponders and signals, and then they started flying at very low altitudes to avoid radar, it seems to have been a plot, probably involving at least 1 of the pilots.

[arista]

on the internet or on satellite?


Both


5 TVs
4 computers

[lostalex]

oh, i'm imagining you have your own control room. how isolating. chatting with me must be a treat :)

(you're welcome)

[Cherie]

This story is full of conflicts

[thesheriff443]

did anyone watch the sky report last night?
the pilot had a flight simulator at his house

[arista]

did anyone watch the sky report last night?
the pilot had a flight simulator at his house


Yes thats old news
but sure he could learn tricks.
But he is the Older Pilot


The Airline has no real idea - at this time

[lostalex]

did anyone watch the sky report last night?
the pilot had a flight simulator at his house

why is that weird? i'd imagine most pilots like flying, so it makes sense they would also enjoy flight simulator video games...

[arista]

This story is full of conflicts



Sure


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Watch this
I recorded it today in HD

[Cherie]

Sure


keM-zxWxLRY&list=UUHeuoBGZ-zlu0Qe_-GEly7g

Watch this
I recorded it today in HD

I wanted to watch it earlier but it wont load on my ipad and I have no sound on my PC. Will try on my sons PC later.

[lostalex]

why would he turn off the transponder if it was a suicide though? and why should he change course? why would he care about those things?

the suicide theory doesn't make sense to me, why change course for a suicide? why not just nosedive?

[arista]

I wanted to watch it earlier but it wont load on my ipad and I have no sound on my PC. Will try on my sons PC later.


Yes ipad blocks it.

Later on on your sons PC

[arista]

why would he turn off the transponder if it was a suicide though? and why should he change course? why would he care about those things?


They could say its a Private Death
no need to be tracked.
Well Planned event.

Of course not fair on the rest of the people on that 777.


Its a Big Ocean

[lostalex]

so you're theory is that it was a suicide and the pilot specifically wanted us to be confused?

i don't buy it, i don't think he would go to al that trouble to shut off al communication,s and then fly at low altitude to avoid radar to go to the indian ocean. if he was just going to commit suicide, why would he bother? no air force could get to him in time, so why would he care about the transponder? and if he was suicidal, he wouldn't even care if the air force did shoot him down. it doesn't make sense. why would he specifically fly below radar.

i don't buy the suicide theory, i think it was a hijacking for ransom gone wrong or a terrorist hijacking probably a chinese target,gone wrong.

[thesheriff443]

why is that weird? i'd imagine most pilots like flying, so it makes sense they would also enjoy flight simulator video games...

i never said it was weird:nono:

[arista]

so you're theory is that it was a suicide and the pilot specifically wanted us to be confused?

i don't buy it, i don't think he would go to al that trouble to shut off al communication,s and then fly at low altitude to avoid radar to go to the indian ocean. if he was just going to commit suicide, why would he bother? no air force could get to him in time, so why would he care about the transponder? and if he was suicidal, he wouldn't even care if the air force did shoot him down. it doesn't make sense. why would he specifically fly below radar.

i don't buy the suicide theory, i think it was a hijacking for ransom gone wrong or a terrorist hijacking probably a chinese target,gone wrong.


The pilots did not want the World to find out
keeping the Evil Event Private and hidden
way under the sea.

[Z]

so you're theory is that it was a suicide and the pilot specifically wanted us to be confused?

i don't buy it, i don't think he would go to al that trouble to shut off al communication,s and then fly at low altitude to avoid radar to go to the indian ocean. if he was just going to commit suicide, why would he bother? no air force could get to him in time, so why would he care about the transponder? and if he was suicidal, he wouldn't even care if the air force did shoot him down. it doesn't make sense. why would he specifically fly below radar.

i don't buy the suicide theory, i think it was a hijacking for ransom gone wrong or a terrorist hijacking probably a chinese target,gone wrong.

I think the suicide theory is a bit of a stretch too but some people love the fatalistic glamour of leaving a mystery behind them, we have to remember that suicidal people are often not thinking rationally and don't act in a logical manner... but at the same time, I think the idea of an elaborate suicidal death seems unlikely, to go out in such a dramatic fashion would make you think that he'd want people to know about it if that was his intention... I think it's far more likely that either it was a tragic catastrophe or the plane's been hijacked or otherwise sold on.

[arista]

To turn off the Transponder
in the Cockpit they have to go under the Floor
to switch the final one off.

No one outside the Cockpit
would have any idea.


"elaborate suicidal death seems unlikely"
Only to you Z

[Z]

It was what I thought after it had been missing for a few days but as more information has been released over the last week I've felt that that's become unlikely again. Only time will tell... but part of me thinks that this could end up being the Madeleine McCann-esque mystery of this decade. Even with other flights where they've not found the wreckage for a long time, they've at least got very strong indications that it has crashed somewhere due to emergency distress calls prior to it going down. The fact that they have nothing to go on suggests that either something more sinister happened in my opinion, but at best, it was just a tragic accident and they'll find it nearly impossible to find the wreckage without any tracking data available.

[lostalex]

it seems like there were multiple steps in this process that took quite a while, over an hour at least, i don't think a suicidal person would be that calculated, i think suicides tend to be highly emotional. this seems like more of a planned operation to me.

I dunno if we will ever know for sure though, so all of this speculation is probably just a circle jerk anyway.

[Z]

Like with the McCann mystery, there are too many potential variables and not enough concrete information to pin down an exact time frame or sequence of events, which means that no one potential theory is ultimately any likelier than any of the others because we just don't have enough information to go on, and the longer the mystery goes on for, the less likely it is we'll ever know, I think.

[Saph]

Apparently Courtney love thinks she's found the plane (not even joking) it's on tumblr

[Vicky.]

A pilots theory...

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

[Benjamin]

A pilots theory...

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

That for me is the most logical reason and has been what I believed for days.

[Cherie]

A pilots theory...

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

As a mod do you not read back :D: Verbal posted this on the previous page!!!

[Vicky.]

As a mod do you not read back :D: Verbal posted this on the previous page!!!

Erm, generally not no :laugh:

[Cherie]

Erm, generally not no :laugh:

:laugh:

[Nedusa]

Erm, generally not no :laugh:

No............. then how do you find rude and offensive posts which are then removed ?

[Vicky.]

No............. then how do you find rude and offensive posts which are then removed ?

They tend to get reported.

I do read through some threads but this one doesn't really interest me too much so I cba reading like 5 pages worth :p

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/20/297210/default/v1/digo-00718-01-14-1-626x352.jpg
Missing Plane: 'Objects May Be MH370 Debris'
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/20/297208/default/v1/20-03-plane-ipad-v2-1-402x293.jpg
[Two objects possibly related to missing
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have been
spotted, the Australian Prime Minister has said.
Tony Abbott said potential debris from
the Boeing 777 had been spotted on
satellite imagery in the south Indian Ocean.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1228904/missing-plane-objects-may-be-mh370-debris

Long way away, but then again,
its been a week.
Lets hope this is part of the Tragic Lost Flight.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10704769/Malaysian-Airlines-MH370-live.html

[Cherie]

I hope this is it. The families have been through so much.

[Locke.]

Bull****

[lostalex]

They tend to get reported.

I do read through some threads but this one doesn't really interest me too much so I cba reading like 5 pages worth :p

exactly, that's why infractions are so unfair, the ones who report the most (we know who they are) can get whoever they want banned.

The squeaky wheels get the grease.

Those of us who never use the report button just get screwed.

[Z]

exactly, that's why infractions are so unfair, the ones who report the most (we know who they are) can get whoever they want banned.

The squeaky wheels get the grease.

Those of us who never use the report button just get screwed.

Just because something gets reported doesn't mean it gets punished, reporting something is just bringing attention to the fact that this may be a post breaking the rules; the mods are the ones who decide whether or not to do something about it.

[lostalex]

Just because something gets reported doesn't mean it gets punished, reporting something is just bringing attention to the fact that this may be a post breaking the rules; the mods are the ones who decide whether or not to do something about it.

yes but if it's one side doing all the reporting, and the other side is not, it begins to paint an unfair and lopsided picture in the mods heads, and if they report enuf, the mods feel like they have to do something.

[arista]

I hope this is it. The families have been through so much.



A Norwegian Ship is just getting to that zone

SkyNewsHD Live

[Josy]

exactly, that's why infractions are so unfair, the ones who report the most (we know who they are) can get whoever they want banned.

The squeaky wheels get the grease.

Those of us who never use the report button just get screwed.

yes but if it's one side doing all the reporting, and the other side is not, it begins to paint an unfair and lopsided picture in the mods heads, and if they report enuf, the mods feel like they have to do something.

Like Zee said, when something gets reported it doesn't mean the post automatically gets infracted, we read back through the whole thing first and then we make a decision.

Anyway back on topic please.

[Nedusa]

Not convinced this is wreckage from this missing plane. No one can explain the final turn from a North Easterly heading to a South westerly heading.

in many respects I hope this is the wreckage because closure is needed for the families. Darkness over that area now, hopefully tomorrow will bring more answers.

[smeagol]

cant believe in 2014 its so hard to find and track a plane. you cant fly these days without going into someones air space and being seen.
must be awful for the families to have this happen then the not knowing. and the shocking lack of info. they may never know what has happened for sure .

it shouldn't happen when a plane takes of it should be tracked until it arrives safely. that's protocol surely
all todays tech and after 9/11 it shouldn't happen.

[Kizzy]

I know... how can you 'lose' a plane?... it's not possible, someone knows something

[lostalex]

cant believe in 2014 its so hard to find and track a plane. you cant fly these days without going into someones air space and being seen.
must be awful for the families to have this happen then the not knowing. and the shocking lack of info. they may never know what has happened for sure .

it shouldn't happen when a plane takes of it should be tracked until it arrives safely. that's protocol surely
all todays tech and after 9/11 it shouldn't happen.

yea! and where is my flying car!?

and why am i still eating food, it's the year 2014, why can't i just get all my nutrition in a pill, why are we still eating solid bio-organic matter for nutrition!??

the future is so disappointing.

but hey, look on the bright side. iPads are pretty cool :)

[arista]

I know... how can you 'lose' a plane?... it's not possible, someone knows something




The Pilot who had a Home Simulator
Deleted files. They are trying to get the files back working



What Evil was he up to?

[smeagol]

yea! and where is my flying car!?

and why am i still eating food, it's the year 2014, why can't i just get all my nutrition in a pill, why are we still eating solid bio-organic matter for nutrition!??

the future is so disappointing.

try Lcd or Lsd if you want your car to fly

with todays tech you shouldn't be able to lose plane with passengers. even years ago it wouldn't be possible.

[MTVN]

What are the Aussies playing at

[arista]

What are the Aussies playing at

Its their waters
so their PM used the info in His Parliament.
Grand Standing

[lostalex]

with his athletic record, i expect him to swim out to the wreckage and hold his next press conference on the fuselage.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/07/17/1225893/368040-tony-abbott-and-those-speedos.jpg

[Marsh.]

I'm trying to contact the Dharma Initiative. No response yet.

[arista]

Bull****


No those Images were taken on Sunday
by the time any ships get to that zone today
the bits could have moved far away due to Rough Sea.


So you have no right to say that Locke

[MTVN]

Very true arista

[Locke.]

No those Images were taken on Sunday
by the time any ships get to that zone today
the bits could have moved far away due to Rough Sea.


So you have no right to say that Locke

I'm afraid to tell you the plane landed safely somewhere arista, there is no parts of it in the Ocean

[arista]

I'm afraid to tell you the plane landed safely somewhere arista, there is no parts of it in the Ocean


Fantasy you loved TV's "Lost"

[Marsh.]

Lost's plane didn't land safely.

It crashed but saved all the good looking people. :smug:

[arista]

Lost's plane didn't land safely.

It crashed but saved all the good looking people. :smug:


Yes Lucky Dip


That Real Fat Bloke was Ugly , by the way

[arista]

Missing Plane: China Spots Large Object In Sea

http://news.sky.com/story/1230164/missing-plane-china-spots-large-object-in-sea

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/22/297757/default/v1/cegrab-20140322-102235-551-1-522x293.jpg
a not from China
who are sending ships to their area


"Chinese authorities are expected to reveal more information over the discovery later."

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/22/297735/default/v1/cegrab-20140322-072157-551-1-522x293.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02859/malaysia-summ_2859143d.jpg

[lostalex]

Malaysia is now begging for help from America... typical. :bored:

Why aren't they asking China or maybe even Iran, since they are a muslim country.? Hey, why not Russia? but no of course it's always America that has to come to the rescue.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/21/malaysia-us-undersea-surveillance-flight-mh370

[lostalex]

Yes Lucky Dip


That Real Fat Bloke was Ugly , by the way

he wasn't ugly! he had a cute baby face and an amicable personality.

[arista]

The Tragic French Flight 447 ,they had a rough idea
of its location but it still Took Two Years to find it
at the bottom of the sea.

ref: SkyNewsHD and CNN America

[lostalex]

The Tragic French Flight 447 ,they had a rough idea
of its location but it still Took Two Years to find it
at the bottom of the sea.

ref: SkyNewsHD and CNN America

yea, that was 20 years ago though. I had a dial-up modem 20 years ago. people were still using pagers 20 years ago.
PAGERS!

[arista]

Missing Plane: French Satellite Spots 'Debris'

[A fresh sighting of possible debris in the Indian Ocean
is made as the search for the missing plane enters a third week.]


Yet another nation?


http://news.sky.com/story/1230387/missing-plane-french-satellite-spots-debris

[Samm]

some people could of not died they could of swam to the nearest island. or maybe it's like lost but real life

[Z]

some people could of not died they could of swam to the nearest island. or maybe it's like lost but real life

There really isn't very much in the way of land in that part of the world Sam, it's just mostly open ocean.

[Cherie]

yea, that was 20 years ago though. I had a dial-up modem 20 years ago. people were still using pagers 20 years ago.
PAGERS!

June 2009 less than 5 years ago by my calculations

[arista]

some people could of not died they could of swam to the nearest island. or maybe it's like lost but real life


No as the Big Plane could go down
under the sea fast



Like the French Tragic Flight 447

[Jords]

Its absolutely bizzare.

[anne666]

yea, that was 20 years ago though. I had a dial-up modem 20 years ago. people were still using pagers 20 years ago.
PAGERS!

It was 2009.

[arista]

So like I said Locke
the plane went down into the Sea
Data now confirms it.
Sad loss for all those people,



No Fantasy Island like Locke dreamed of



The missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 crashed into the
Southern Indian Ocean west of Perth, killing all 239 people on-board.


http://news.sky.com/story/1231059/malaysia-plane-crashed-into-indian-ocean

[MTVN]

I think everyone owes Kim Jong-un an apology

[arista]

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Clip from Letterman
from last night O'Reilly show


Very Logical Valid points





Yes Bill you are Bang On Right


Locke watch the video and learn from Wise Words

[Locke.]

No plane. No bodies. Surprised it took them this long to confirm this terrible fake rumour that the public will eat up.

[Niamh.]

:laugh:

[arista]

:laugh:


Its Tragic that Locke loves Fantasy more,




Tomorrow Full Briefing,
the Pilots or the Plane
went Tragic wrong or evil.

At least we will get the truth.

[arista]

Also Confirmed it was a British Sat Tracking this tragic flight
Their PM says he got the info from UK.


[He said satellite data provided by a UK company, Inmarsat, showed the plane's last recorded position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites," Mr Razak said.]


Inmarsat can track mobile phones even when turned off.



So now Locke is saying our Company here in the UK
is giving out Fake data to their PM - We can all see Locke is Lost in a Fantasy

[Locke.]

This backs up my theory that the plane is located somewhere in Hastings

[arista]

[MH370 has crashed in the sea with no survivors, says Malaysia Airlines - live updates

Najib Razak: new data showed flight ended in Indian Ocean
Malaysia Airlines says MH370 is 'lost' without survivors
Grief and anger from relatives in Beijing
British data confirms flight lost in remote ocean location
Australian ship trying to recover objects
'White and square' objects detected separately by Chinese]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/mh370-chinese-plane-spots-white-objects-live-updates

[smeagol]

Sad news, i hope they find out what happpened. so the families dont have to wonder.

what i find so strange though is how a passenger plane of that size can fly through difference air space and no one questioned it. it should be impossible.

[arista]

Sad news, i hope they find out what happpened. so the families dont have to wonder.

what i find so strange though is how a passenger plane of that size can fly through difference air space and no one questioned it. it should be impossible.

But other 777's have had New Hi Tech
Battery's catch fire.
That could burn out all the Electrics.

[Nedusa]

But what exactly is the news ? We still have not had any wreckage positively identified and there is a cyclone moving into the area soon. In fact we may never actually pickup any actual wreckage let alone find the main body of the plane and the BB and flight recorders.

All very sad for the families , they really do need some actual proof the wreckage is from this flight.

[arista]

But what exactly is the news ? We still have not had any wreckage positively identified and there is a cyclone moving into the area soon. In fact we may never actually pickup any actual wreckage let alone find the main body of the plane and the BB and flight recorders.

All very sad for the families , they really do need some actual proof the wreckage is from this flight.


Its Night Time out there
now so it will be on our News Tomorrow Morning



Our Inmarsat company tracked every ping
after the transponders went off (by a Fire or they were turned off)
So they know the area it went under the sea.


"On the French Tragic 447 flight
after they found the area it took two years
to locate the Plane at the bottom of the sea"

[lostalex]

I can't believe it's taken us 2 weeks to reach this conclusion.

[arista]

I can't believe it's taken us 2 weeks to reach this conclusion.


I can.


As the Transponders were off
by a Battery Fire or Another Fire
or they were turned off.


So the Ping trace done by a UK Company Inmarsat
was double checked

[Cherie]

With the absense of any May Day call, or wreckage the data had to be interpreted correctly, if it took 2 weeks so be it, not nice for the families but at least you get the feeling all avenues have been explored.

[Nedusa]

I still struggle to see this crash if proved is just mechanical error and /or fire. Fact is the plane made the unscheduled turn before the transponder was turned off and the final voice communication was made. So the pilots deliberately made these new course corrections , why ?

Perhaps an attempted terrorist plot that was foiled by the passengers which resulted in massive depressurisation and/or a fire .

Either way the truth of what happened on this flight may never be known.

[BBfanUSA]

Changed the title to fit the news.

Such a shame, hopefully they find the remains so a bunch of people have bodies to bury.

[Jordan.]

idgi how can they confirm it crashed if they still haven't found it

[Benjamin]

idgi how can they confirm it crashed if they still haven't found it

Yeah, same.

[arista]

idgi how can they confirm it crashed if they still haven't found it


Ping trace done by a UK Company Inmarsat
was double checked

[Benjamin]

Ping trace done by a UK Company Inmarsat
was double checked

How has it taken them 2 weeks to get to that conclusion?

[Jordan.]

The ping thing has been mentioned since the start, why does this one confirm it? :suspect:

[arista]

How has it taken them 2 weeks to get to that conclusion?


Double Checking

[arista]

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http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/24/298155/default/v1/bjhgyc5ciaamsip-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/24/298158/default/v1/bjhmhzpcuaa2oh4-1-329x437.jpg

[Benjamin]

Double Checking

It's taken 2 weeks to double check? Yeah, I don't buy it.

[Gstar]

omg.. please don't tell me that they drowned :bawling: relatives told by text!?!?

[arista]

It's taken 2 weeks to double check? Yeah, I don't buy it.



You will when they find it.

Of course the French tragic flight 447 took 2 years to find
at the bottom of the sea,

[Roy Mars III]

there goes my black hole theory

[smeagol]

i thought it was new tech they tried to locate it. only in the last few days could be wrong so much stuff written

i still fail to see how a plane can take of and no one is notified when it veers of course and doesn't reach its destination. then manages to travel that far into other air space without anyone noticing or caring.
you just cant fly that long and into other air space without being seen. especially after 9/11 and a plane that size,

[Benjamin]

You will when they find it.

Of course the French tragic flight 447 took 2 years to find
at the bottom of the sea,

Yes, but they found some of the remains in two days.

[Samm]

omg.. please don't tell me that they drowned :bawling: relatives told by text!?!?

I would feel so sorry for them that would of been terrible

[Z]

I'd say it's likely that they were all killed on impact if they weren't already dead before the plane crashed - smashing into the water at that speed will have ripped the plane apart and either pressure would have killed them or the rush of water would have drowned them all immediately. Still reckon that there was a fire on board the plane which knocked out all their communications systems so the pilot turned it as a last ditch effort to try and reach the nearest airport but they all passed out and died from smoke inhalation and the plane just kept flying towards the open ocean and eventually ran out of fuel and crashed. A combination of it crashing in the middle of nowhere, being totally off course and the sea conditions have all contributed to the plane sinking, debris likely spreading or the plane being so burned out that there's barely any debris anyway and they'll probably not find it for a very long time.

[reece(:]

If it's crashed into the ocean it's weird to think no one felt any impact/wave changes or saw any signs of disturbance.