Clares Law

[Kizzy]

'Women across the country on Saturday were for the first time given the “right to know” if their partner has a violent past as Clare’s Law was rolled out nationally.

The scheme is named after Clare Wood, 36, who was strangled and set on fire by her ex-boyfriend George Appleton at her home in Salford, Greater Manchester.

Coinciding with International Women’s Day, Clare's Law is being introduced to police forces across England and Wales following a successful pilot scheme.'

Fantastic news, and could save the lives of many women.




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/clares-law-rolled-out-across-the-country-on-international-womens-day-9178394.html

[Vicky.]

Why only women?

I know most blokes would never even consider checking up on this, but the option should be there :S

If this helps just one person then its worthwhile. But personally I think if you do this...there is no trust in the relationship, and therefor its not worth having the relationship to begin with :shrug:

[Jack_]

Great idea but it needs to be extended to men also

[MTVN]

Agree that men should have this right as well, I'm also a bit wary about being able to have people's criminal records on demand, I can understand why it'd be important information for a partner but how involved do you have to be with someone to be able to find out all about their past?

[user104658]

Why only women?

I know most blokes would never even consider checking up on this, but the option should be there :S

If this helps just one person then its worthwhile. But personally I think if you do this...there is no trust in the relationship, and therefor its not worth having the relationship to begin with :shrug:


This was my first thought. For every 10 incidents of domestic violence against women, there are 6.5 by women against men. It's fewer, yes, but not really significantly so. Men are abused too. It's not something the mainstream media really likes to talk about. Or the law either, apparently.

[Livia]

I agree with the majority. This would suggest that men are violent and women are not and that's just not true.

[Kizzy]

The majority.. you mean the 4 people in this thread?
Yes to be fair I guess it should work both ways, nobody has suggested it never works the other way around.

[Livia]

The majority.. you mean the 4 people in this thread?
Yes to be fair I guess it should work both ways, nobody has suggested it never works the other way around.

Yes. I meant I was agreeing with the majority in this thread. But I suspect most people will feel the same.

[Z]

I might bring my clean criminal record with me on every future first date, nice icebreaker

[Kazanne]

Good idea but for everyone.I know some pretty volatile women

[smudgie]

Sounds like a good idea.
I am thinking it will be a case of checking it online, otherwise there will be queues around the block outside the cop shops on a weekend.

[Crimson Dynamo]

you hpi cars so why not partners?

[Kizzy]

This was my first thought. For every 10 incidents of domestic violence against women, there are 6.5 by women against men. It's fewer, yes, but not really significantly so. Men are abused too. It's not something the mainstream media really likes to talk about. Or the law either, apparently.
I would be interested to see where you get those stats, I used these..
Murder

'(10) Murder

(i) In 2008/09, 31 men and 101 were murdered by a partner/ex-partner (where the main
suspect is a partner/ex-partner), a gender-victim ratio of 24% male: 76% women. For
every four murder victims, 1 will be a male and 3 will be female. Over man per fortnight is
murdered.
Source: British Crime Survey (2008/09) – Statistical Volume 2 (England and Wales) – see Chapter 3
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/hosb0110.pdf (Table 1.05 page 25)
(ii) Over a 10-year period (1999/00 to 2008/09) – 290 men have been murdered by their
partner/ex-partner as have 1,261 women. The average proportion of male victims over
period - 23.0% (where the main suspect is a partner/ex-partner)

http://www.mankind.org.uk/pdfs/Statistics%20-%20Male%20Victims%20of%20Domestic%20Abuse%20(April %202010).pdf

It does not state if the abusers are women or men.

[user104658]

I would be interested to see where you get those stats, I used these..
Murder

'(10) Murder

(i) In 2008/09, 31 men and 101 were murdered by a partner/ex-partner (where the main
suspect is a partner/ex-partner), a gender-victim ratio of 24% male: 76% women. For
every four murder victims, 1 will be a male and 3 will be female. Over man per fortnight is
murdered.
Source: British Crime Survey (2008/09) – Statistical Volume 2 (England and Wales) – see Chapter 3
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/hosb0110.pdf (Table 1.05 page 25)
(ii) Over a 10-year period (1999/00 to 2008/09) – 290 men have been murdered by their
partner/ex-partner as have 1,261 women. The average proportion of male victims over
period - 23.0% (where the main suspect is a partner/ex-partner)

http://www.mankind.org.uk/pdfs/Statistics%20-%20Male%20Victims%20of%20Domestic%20Abuse%20(April %202010).pdf

It does not state if the abusers are women or men.

The stats I quoted are just for domestic abuse, not where it results in death. There probably is a larger gap there, purely because when it really comes down to a "fight or flight" moment, an abused male partner is much more likely to be able to defend himself against a lethally violent female, whereas a woman against an angry male is more likely to be overpowered.

But that doesn't have any bearing on how many males vs females become involved in abusive relationships. Only the severity of the outcome. The point being that no one should have to be IN an abusive relationship in the first place, regardless of how it ends.

There's also a general consensus that males are significantly less likely to report physical or emotional abuse (or even admit to themselves that they are being abused) for various reasons, and that the spread of male / female abuse victims is likely to be fairly even.

Again, yes, women being generally physically smaller means they are potentially in more danger of severe or life threatening injuries... but the effects of abuse are devastating either way. No one should have to suffer it. Even if it's "just" being slapped in the face or having hair yanked.

[Kizzy]

The stats I quoted are just for domestic abuse, not where it results in death. There probably is a larger gap there, purely because when it really comes down to a "fight or flight" moment, an abused male partner is much more likely to be able to defend himself against a lethally violent female, whereas a woman against an angry male is more likely to be overpowered.

But that doesn't have any bearing on how many males vs females become involved in abusive relationships. Only the severity of the outcome. The point being that no one should have to be IN an abusive relationship in the first place, regardless of how it ends.

There's also a general consensus that males are significantly less likely to report physical or emotional abuse (or even admit to themselves that they are being abused) for various reasons, and that the spread of male / female abuse victims is likely to be fairly even.

Again, yes, women being generally physically smaller means they are potentially in more danger of severe or life threatening injuries... but the effects of abuse are devastating either way. No one should have to suffer it. Even if it's "just" being slapped in the face or having hair yanked.

Where are your stats from if you don't mind me asking? The excerpt I posted is from 'Menkind' but have national information too on all aspects of abuse and stalking involving male victims.