FAO tumblr users

[Me. I Am Salman]

how ****ing annoying are social justice bloggers lately

I've just come across a post that saying 'madness' and that someone has 'gone mad' is 'ableist'

a funny one though was someone with the URL f.uckofftranspeople who claimed people who aren't trans aka 'cisgender' (this word needs to die btw) are oppressed on tumblr

but overall it's really irritating. people write these long arse posts which are
either total bs/common sense

[Shaun]

i hate all of it.

i generally rise above commenting on people on there because it's quite easy to ignore (i don't follow anyone who's really a socialjustice blogger), but the other day someone posted something along the lines of Jared Leto taking a WHOLE minute of his Oscar-winning speech before he dedicated it to the transgender community... like they were berating him for thanking his mum and best friends/bandmates first :facepalm: so I told them to shut the **** up and unfollowed them :idc:

[Ninastar]

i ****ing know

i hate it

cisgender/agender/crossgender **** OFF

[Ninastar]

What pisses me off more than ANYTHING is that so many people claim to be bullied/harassed irl yet all they do is hate on anything different to them/not something they believe on!

[Shaun]

still, at least the American Horror Story gifs have stopped

[Ninastar]

^whats wrong with those?

-hasnt seen them ever-

[Shaun]

nothing I just really don't care about the show but everyone I follow (and like) seems to :laugh:

[Ninastar]

oh right, i see lol

i just hate that they shut you down for your opinion and tell you that you're small minded when they dont even know anything about you

do we have to accept absolutely EVERYTHING to not be branded small minded?

[Saph]

lol the social justice people are so sad, I get second hand embarrassment from reading their posts

[Shaun]

There seems to be a pretty big counter-movement against them though, I'm always seeing pisstake posts and huge text replies tearing them to shreds :love:

[Ninastar]

There seems to be a pretty big counter-movement against them though, I'm always seeing pisstake posts and huge text replies tearing them to shreds :love:

i can't find any of them... i have like no one on my side

do you have any examples?

[Saph]

I really hate those ones where they start a 5 paragraph essay with "OKAY GUYS THIS IS NOT RIGHT, IM GOING TO EDUCATE TUMBLR" like **** off

[Saph]

just found this

How is it that someone can wear a Nirvana T-shirt and talk **** about heroin addicts or jerk off to porn but think sex workers shouldn’t have rights or love Queen but say “I don’t think gay people should have parades” or read Edgar Allen Poe but hate on the mentally ill or listen to hip hop and be racist? If you don’t want to support the struggle of a marginalized group of people then you have no business benefiting from what we create. Just get the **** out of here.


:hehe:

[Ninastar]

they try to justify drug users and burglars like all the time, its like wtf?

[Shaun]

oh nvm the example I was thinking of relates to something different entirely (some artist posted a comic that was like DO WHAT YOU LOVE, NOT FOR MONEY!!!!): http://btfreek.tumblr.com/post/79082879986/svmblr-positivelysmashing-kingerock288

just going through my liked posts, I liked these:

http://bitchsass.tumblr.com/post/75801328653/obesenigger-ewgwen-obesenigger-cute-guys
http://declare-this-an-emergency.tumblr.com/post/74519943446/weenies-and-crybabies-isuckrooster

k i don't like many posts

[Black Dagger]

Oh I only use Tumblr for gay porn gifs, so I've never seen this.

[Smithy]

If i see one more post about a cis straight white male oppressing someone i am going to stab someone

they're all a bunch of ****ing hypocrites and just need to **** off

[Smithy]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/a5dd1bd664d32c386ef90840c55762e7/tumblr_msk7b6IYlO1ript9eo1_500.png

when will cishets understand that queer people are not angry at them for identifying with their assigned gender or being attracted to people of the opposite gender, but are in fact angry at them for oppressing queer people and making their lives difficult and dangerous and not doing anything to counteract that



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/09954248.gif

[Scarlett.]

There's a whole subreddit dedicated to hating posts like these on tumblr, lol
http://www.reddit.com/r/tumblrinaction

[Me. I Am Salman]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/a5dd1bd664d32c386ef90840c55762e7/tumblr_msk7b6IYlO1ript9eo1_500.png


when will cishets understand that queer people are not angry at them for identifying with their assigned gender or being attracted to people of the opposite gender, but are in fact angry at them for oppressing queer people and making their lives difficult and dangerous and not doing anything to counteract that



this is just a flowery way of saying stop transphobia
like is all that needed

[reece(:]

still, at least the American Horror Story gifs have stopped
oop

http://i.minus.com/j0tiSkICELmB6.png

[Firewire]

tumblr annoys me so much sometimes i just reblog one direction

[Z]

I deleted tumblr years ago because I found it annoying ~hipster

[Apple202]

yes omg they're so annoying i once saw this one about racism and it was the most obnoxious and self righteous thing i've ever read

[Apple202]

this is so true :laugh3:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/8c80c8db894665bc59bcf29f5caf6ce3/tumblr_mlbjcmQo311rcu99ko1_500.jpg

[Z]

:joker:

[Niall]

Eh sometimes it can be dumb as **** but on occasion it's interesting stuff to read. Some people do take it way way way too far though.

[Niall]

Like the 'clean privilege' blog. :umm2:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Clean privilege is never being turned down for oral sex because you haven’t washed away the protective, lubricative, natural oils beneath your foreskin that are supposed to facilitate sex in the first place (smegma).

:unsure:

[Niall]

I'm gonna barf being clean is basic ****ing need. Some people smh. :bored:

[Saph]

lmaoooooooooooooo

[Shaun]

privilege is the #1 worst word on the internet

[Ninastar]

you're white shaun, obviously you wouldn't understand!!!! you're privileged!!!

[Saph]

mmhmm

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar11834_101.gif

[Apple202]

the thin privilege one is stupid as hell too

it's like the fact that you can't buy clothes to fit you isn't our fault??? get a grip of yourself and lose weight smh

[Apple202]

omfg the clean privilege :yuk::yuk:

this whole 'privilege' thing is just people who need to shift the blame to anyone else but themself, apart from like the racist and homophobic and transphobic ones, but even then most of them are stupid as hell and are just clutching at straws

[Roy Mars III]

you guys aren't using tumblr for it's intended purpose: porn

[Shaun]

i think you'll find it's for bastardising kids TV shows and Nicki Minaj lyrics and porn

[Ninastar]

All the self harm bloggers piss me off... its mainly attention seeking

[Ninastar]

You know something I found interesting?
Is how when people meet dogs, they’ll say something like
“He’s so cute!”
And the owner will shyly respond with “she’s a girl, actually”
And the person will apologize and IMMEDIATELY start using the right pronouns.
So my question is,
If its so easy to do with DOGS why is it so ****ing difficult to do with trans people?

:umm2:

[Marsh.]

the thin privilege one is stupid as hell too

it's like the fact that you can't buy clothes to fit you isn't our fault??? get a grip of yourself and lose weight smh

You know something I found interesting?
Is how when people meet dogs, they’ll say something like
“He’s so cute!”
And the owner will shyly respond with “she’s a girl, actually”
And the person will apologize and IMMEDIATELY start using the right pronouns.
So my question is,
If its so easy to do with DOGS why is it so ****ing difficult to do with trans people?

:umm2:

:laugh2:

[Shaun]

niall is reblogging a worrying amount of crap that fits this thread lately i hope he sees this post and reconsiders his life

[Jessica.]

Last night I just unfollowed everyone who reblogged something that was like hating on men disguised as "feminism" or saying white/cis people are abominations. Now my dash is just full of love quotes and anime. :umm2:

[King Gizzard]

I think my tumblr is just full of Shaun's reblogs and notes or whatever they're called and stuff I still don't really get it but I do have a post that has 30ish reblogs last time I checked

[Jessica.]

Was it nudes Nathan

[King Gizzard]

yes

[King Gizzard]

no

[Ninastar]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/9213f1f7849e15a60e3e51ddc5c6ba9e/tumblr_inline_n1ktwytX3k1qesqi5.png

:umm2:

[Ninastar]

http://i.imgur.com/8TBHmQR.png

:umm2:

[Shaun]

:facepalm:

[Jack_]

Maybe I'm missing something cause I don't use Tumblr but I see nothing wrong with like half of these :umm2:

why don't emojis work either

[Ninastar]

:facepalm:

I liked it until that comment

[Apple202]

i dont really think the one's caitlin posted are that bad, the worst one was one with the url of sassysprinkles

[Apple202]

this one tho :laugh3:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/9d36092fc462c36c2a0826089ca326b4/tumblr_n0f3kioyTt1ryeto5o1_1280.png

this guy is great for laughing at them http://wtfsocialjustice.tumblr.com/

[Ninastar]

i dont really think the one's caitlin posted are that bad, the worst one was one with the url of sassysprinkles

the dog one is ridiculous because dogs actually are a certain gender.

if you get a persons gender 'wrong' it's because they look like what you thought they were. You might accidently keep calling them the gender that they aren't, because you thought that's what they were. It was a stupid thing to say because dogs don't have 'long hair if they are a girl or short hair if they are a boy!!!!!1' they just look like a dog...

you call the dog a girl or a boy because you just assume. Maybe because you have a pet of that gender...

its hard to explain but that post was just beyond stupid.

People are just trying to make the world look so much worse that it is

As for the 'people with vaginas', again that was just beyond stupid. Yeah okay, some girls with vaginas are trans/cis/whatever, but people are acting like it's a crime to assume that 'people with vaginas' are all girls...

like really? if I hear the word 'vagina' i'm automatically going to think of women.

the SJBs were calling someone out for mentioning that girls have vaginas

i wouldn't normally justify myself for something so stupid, but I don't like people thinking i'm small minded when there's actually very very little people who actually think like these SJBs do.

[Jack_]

The dog one was clearly directed at people who insist on using the pronoun which fits a trans person's biological sex despite that being ****ing ignorant and really rude. We all make mistakes, but anyone that will knowingly continue to call someone 'he' or 'she' when they wish to be known otherwise (for example people that called Luke A 'her' or Nadia 'he') is a dick, and there's no justification for that. That's obviously what that post was about...

I see nothing wrong whatsoever with the non-binary genders petition though :umm2: and a little off-topic but I'm not sure if it was posted on here recently but Facebook has announced that people will soon be able to choose a large number of non-binary terms, so if a ****ing social networking site can lead the way, I'm sure the American government can follow suit (like other international ones have)

[Shaun]

gay boy:hey man you look good today
straight boy: oh my god man what the **** i'm not a ******, i'm pretty sure this is harassment
straight boy:[slaps girls' asses as they walk by] [asks them if they finger themselves] [pleads every girl to have anal sex]

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

niall ****ing stop this

[Jessica.]

:bored: I have noticed it too, maybe Niall is just trying to post content that his followers would like instead of just posting sane things??

[Tom4784]

All this gender stuff annoys me, it's just a bunch of people trying to be special little snowflakes. I understand Gender Identity Disorder and transexuality but Gender Neutrality and it's ilk annoys me. Whether through Nature or Surgery, you're either a man or a woman. accept it.

[Black Dagger]

gay boy:hey man you look good today
straight boy: oh my god man what the **** i'm not a ******, i'm pretty sure this is harassment
straight boy:[slaps girls' asses as they walk by] [asks them if they finger themselves] [pleads every girl to have anal sex]

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

niall ****ing stop this

What the absolute ****ing ****, is this ****?

[Smithy]

:bored: I have noticed it too, maybe Niall is just trying to post content that his followers would like instead of just posting sane things??

:joker::joker:

[Firewire]

cisgender and transgender and ungender and othergenders

[Firewire]

"Just a friendly reminder that u should call ur animals by gender-neutral or multiple pronouns. They CAN understand you and YES it is possible for an animal to be trans. Your cat having a penis does not make it male. It is straight up animal abuse to deliberately misgender your pets so please do not do it."

im crying

[Samm]

I don't get any of this stuff or I just don't notice it

[Jack_]

"Just a friendly reminder that u should call ur animals by gender-neutral or multiple pronouns. They CAN understand you and YES it is possible for an animal to be trans. Your cat having a penis does not make it male. It is straight up animal abuse to deliberately misgender your pets so please do not do it."

im crying

okay this is pretty funny

Surely this isn't serious? :joker: :joker:

[Firewire]

okay this is pretty funny

Surely this isn't serious? :joker: :joker:

no idea, the person deleted their blog :laugh:

[Doogle]

:bored: I have noticed it too, maybe Niall is just trying to post content that his followers would like instead of just posting sane things??

:joker:

[lily.]

What pisses me off more than ANYTHING is that so many people claim to be bullied/harassed irl yet all they do is hate on anything different to them/not something they believe on!

Preach.

[Marsh.]

What pisses me off more than ANYTHING is that so many people claim to be bullied/harassed irl yet all they do is hate on anything different to them/not something they believe on!

Set up a blog about this very thing. :laugh:

[Ninastar]

so glad you all agree... its an absolute joke.

[Ninastar]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/64bb31bc1440d568003eae23107bbc42/tumblr_n39m6lpRQa1sndi5eo1_500.jpg

why?

can we really not say girls toys or boys toys anymore?

[Niall]

niall is reblogging a worrying amount of crap that fits this thread lately i hope he sees this post and reconsiders his life

Well a lot of it makes sense to me. I shall not be changing my blogging habits for you. :hmph:

https://31.media.tumblr.com/9213f1f7849e15a60e3e51ddc5c6ba9e/tumblr_inline_n1ktwytX3k1qesqi5.png

:umm2:

I'm really struggling to see the bad in that. Like it literally doesn't affect you, so what's the problem here? It's just giving another group better recognition.

[Niall]

gay boy:hey man you look good today
straight boy: oh my god man what the **** i'm not a ******, i'm pretty sure this is harassment
straight boy:[slaps girls' asses as they walk by] [asks them if they finger themselves] [pleads every girl to have anal sex]

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

niall ****ing stop this

:bored: I have noticed it too, maybe Niall is just trying to post content that his followers would like instead of just posting sane things??

If you two dislike it that much I'll set up a special little tag for you to blacklist the posts with :idc:

[Shaun]

idk how to do that so no, you change who you are niall :fist:

srsly can you not see how ridiculously OTT that straight guy chat post is? I literally cannot name one person who would come close to saying it.

[Niall]

idk how to do that so no, you change who you are niall :fist:

srsly can you not see how ridiculously OTT that straight guy chat post is? I literally cannot name one person who would come close to saying it.

Xkit, Shaun. Xkit is your friend in this area. :tongue:

And oh I know, but it's hyperbole just like most things on tumblr are. The general idea behind it is why I reblogged it.

[Firewire]

I refuse to add letters to LGBT

[Shaun]

i'm ambivalent about the gender thing :laugh: i do generally believe people who refuse to identify as male, female or trans (or anonymous) are just trying to be a bit special, but i don't really care.

like, biologically, there is nothing else. there's no "i have no gender". i think it's just trying to attach parts of your personality (uncertainty of identity; sexuality; body dismorphia) to your genitals when it really shouldn't matter :shrug:

[Ninastar]

i'm ambivalent about the gender thing :laugh: i do generally believe people who refuse to identify as male, female or trans (or anonymous) are just trying to be a bit special, but i don't really care.

like, biologically, there is nothing else. there's no "i have no gender". i think it's just trying to attach parts of your personality (uncertainty of identity; sexuality; body dismorphia) to your genitals when it really shouldn't matter :shrug:

totally agree

[Niall]

i'm ambivalent about the gender thing :laugh: i do generally believe people who refuse to identify as male, female or trans (or anonymous) are just trying to be a bit special, but i don't really care.

like, biologically, there is nothing else. there's no "i have no gender". i think it's just trying to attach parts of your personality (uncertainty of identity; sexuality; body dismorphia) to your genitals when it really shouldn't matter :shrug:

Fair enough.

I see it in a different light though. I mean homophobes say that homosexuality is an act/choice even though we all know it's not. My point is that because we don't have that other person's experience, who are we to judge, y'know?

Gender is an entirely social construct anyway. Sex isn't. But gender most definitely is. It's completely logical to me that there's a spectrum of gender identity, I mean humanity is wide and diverse in every way possible. It makes sense that that goes for gender too. I seriously doubt all 7 billion humans on this planet fit into the binary we have now.

[Jack_]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/64bb31bc1440d568003eae23107bbc42/tumblr_n39m6lpRQa1sndi5eo1_500.jpg

why?

can we really not say girls toys or boys toys anymore?

You really can't see the problems with having specific toys for boys and specific toys for girls? The Barbie dolls and dolls houses for girls because that's your role as a woman and here's some action figures and cars for you boys cause you need to 'be a man' and be strong and authoritative? You don't see the issue with this kind of social conditioning?

I get that there's some things in this thread which are quite complex and hard to get people's heads around but surely to most people they can see the issues with having gender specific toys?

[Jack_]

Yeah I still don't get why people don't understand that gender is a social construct and totally different to biological sex, it's really not hard to understand

Gender, much like sexuality is a sliding scale spectrum and various people fall into different places along the line. Humans are not either/or and black and white entities, we're quite complex

[Jessica.]

Yeah, I don't see the problem with using the names of the toys instead of "boys" toys and "girls" toys. I look after kids all the time and it really does bother them if someone says something like like is for another gender, unfortunately, I know when I was a child I would have definitely preferred a skylanders toy rather than my little pony. :joker:

[Firewire]

Yeah, I don't see the problem with using the names of the toys instead of "boys" toys and "girls" toys. I look after kids all the time and it really does bother them if someone says something like like is for another gender, unfortunately, I know when I was a child I would have definitely preferred a skylanders toy rather than my little pony. :joker:

I don't think it matters which toy a boy or girl receives but a parent should still be able to say "a girls toy" and for the person behind the desk to know which one she is referring to.

[Niall]

Yeah I still don't get why people don't understand that gender is a social construct and totally different to biological sex, it's really not hard to understand

Gender, much like sexuality is a sliding scale spectrum and various people fall into different places along the line. Humans are not either/or and black and white entities, we're quite complex

Exactly! Finally someone else on here who gets it. :lovedup:

But yeah I was just thinking, and an example of gender being a social construct is dresses. 200/300 years ago in the aristocracy it was entirely normal for young boys to be put in dresses similar to those worn by girls. Nothing was thought of it. Flip forward to today and now dresses have shifted into becoming something that's strictly feminine. That is gender. It's fluid, it changes, and it's entirely determined by society.

[Ninastar]

again, like most social justice bloggers, you're assuming that the girls and boys toys will ONLY been seen as girls and boys toys and ONLY given to children of the 'correct' gender.

I very much doubt in the day in age, if a boy wants to play with the barbie toy rather than a car from a happy meal, a parent is going to say 'NO YOU ARE A BOY, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE GIRLS TOY!!! its the rules!!!!!'

seriously, people make on that these problems are so much worse than they are

yes, girls toys arent always just for girls and vice versa, i wont deny that

but things saying 'you must say this' or 'you cannot say that' are stupid because you are assuming things which quite often arent true

[Firewire]

Exactly! Finally someone else on here who gets it. :lovedup:

But yeah I was just thinking, and an example of gender being a social construct is dresses. 200/300 years ago in the aristocracy it was entirely normal for young boys to be put in dresses similar to those worn by girls. Nothing was thought of it. Flip forward to today and now dresses have shifted into being strictly female. That is gender. It's fluid, it changes, and it's entirely determined by society.

Anyone can wear a dress if they want to, doesn't matter if you're male or female. Look at Gary Levy from Big Brother Canada, he wears "female" clothes all the time but still identifies as male, because he is. Even Eddie Izzard wears dresses -- he's still male.

[Shaun]

I imagine most of the 7 billion people on this planet have far more pressing concerns like poverty than "I'm not sure if I'm a boy or a girl". It's no coincidence that pretty much everyone who's involved in this movement is white and middle class... I just can't shake the attention-seeking air about it all.

And I get what you mean about toys/clothing, but if someone asked me what "gender" I was I'd take it to mean the same thing as what sex I was. All of this is to do with gender stereotypes, not gender itself.

Also I think a lot of the terms just alienate people and are thrown around to give the impression of research or expertise. I still have no idea what "cis" means and where it came from, and words ending in '____phobia' are banded about too much that it makes it seem a constantly aggressive and uncompromising movement.

I'm willing to admit I'm a total n00b about it all though.

[Firewire]

I imagine most of the 7 billion people on this planet have far more pressing concerns like poverty than "I'm not sure if I'm a boy or a girl". It's no coincidence that pretty much everyone who's involved in this movement is white and middle class... I just can't shake the attention-seeking air about it all.

And I get what you mean about toys/clothing, but if someone asked me what "gender" I was I'd take it to mean the same thing as what sex I was. All of this is to do with gender stereotypes, not gender itself.

Also I think a lot of the terms just alienate people and are thrown around to give the impression of research or expertise. I still have no idea what "cis" means and where it came from, and words ending in '____phobia' is banded about too much that it makes it seem a constantly aggressive and uncompromising movement.

I'm willing to admit I'm a total n00b about it all though.

It's also all influenced by the internet. If one person says "I refuse to be male or female" someone else is like "oh same" and it just follows in a pattern like dominoes.

I don't know what cis means, and I don't care enough to look it up.

[Ninastar]

I'm going to reply properly now, because childrens toys and 'wrong labelling' is something I'm pretty interested in.

I get that some people take offense to toys being named after certain genders.

But seriously, in this day in age, especially in the UK and other parts of Europe, it is not ANYTHING like what you hear social justice bloggers complaining about.

Schools and nurseries arent even allowed to tell children what toys to play with. I don't understand how it is wrong to say 'girls toys' or 'boys toys' when it is clear what toys are being spoken about.

I understand that some boys are going to play with barbies and some girls will play with monster trucks, ETC... but the truth is, the majority of children still play with toys, related to their gender.

Of all the schools I've been to, of all the nurseries I've worked in, I've rarely ever seen kids playing with toys of the 'opposite' gender. Most kids just like playing with toy animals, bricks/lego, dressing up and playing outside.

It is seriously not as bad as people make on.

Never have I once year a parent say, 'Oh no Timothy, you cant play with that! It's a girls toy!!!!"

Once we had a little boy wear a dress-up dress outside to his parents and his dad laughed and said he looked beautiful.

SJBs seem to have this problem with making the world so much worse than it is... I just don't get it.

It does not make me small-minded to think that toys can still be called 'girls toys' or 'boys toys'. To me, being small-minded is not accepting that other people have opinions too.

[Niall]

Anyone can wear a dress if they want to, doesn't matter if you're male or female. Look at Gary Levy from Big Brother Canada, he wears "female" clothes all the time but still identifies as male, because he is. Even Eddie Izzard wears dresses -- he's still male.

I know. But walk into any clothing store and you can't buy a dress for a man, right? That's what I'm getting at. It's clothing completely encoded throughout society is something that's female, even though it's just a piece of cloth with one hole instead of two. That assumption that society (or, western society rather) makes of it being women's clothing is something entirely superfluous when you think about it really.

My point is that gender is social construct. Something determined by human thought and ideas. Sex is obviously something biological, but gender? Nope, that's much more complex.

[Firewire]

I know. But walk into any clothing store and you can't buy a dress for a man, right? That's what I'm getting at. It's clothing completely encoded throughout society is something that's female, even though it's just a piece of cloth with one hole instead of two. That assumption that society (or, western society rather) makes of it being women's clothing is something entirely superfluous when you think about it really.

My point is that gender is social construct. Something determined by human thought and ideas. Sex is obviously something biological, but gender? Nope, that's much more complex.

You can buy a dress, there doesn't need to be dresses for men. Yes stores are targeted to specific genders but it doesn't mean that the opposite gender can't buy anything from it. Most of the population have no problem with the types of clothing available to them. It's a minority. I understand that some people may want to wear something that is not of their gender and I think that's fine.

It doesn't matter. If you have a form to fill out and it asks you for your sex, there are two options (or three if you include third gender).

EDIT: I know gender is a social construct, I studied sociology.

[Niall]

I imagine most of the 7 billion people on this planet have far more pressing concerns like poverty than "I'm not sure if I'm a boy or a girl". It's no coincidence that pretty much everyone who's involved in this movement is white and middle class... I just can't shake the attention-seeking air about it all.

And I get what you mean about toys/clothing, but if someone asked me what "gender" I was I'd take it to mean the same thing as what sex I was. All of this is to do with gender stereotypes, not gender itself.

Also I think a lot of the terms just alienate people and are thrown around to give the impression of research or expertise. I still have no idea what "cis" means and where it came from, and words ending in '____phobia' are banded about too much that it makes it seem a constantly aggressive and uncompromising movement.

I'm willing to admit I'm a total n00b about it all though.

Hm, fair enough. I mean I'm white and painfully middle class, but looking at the toxicity of gender within society today I like to think being progressive about it might help in the future. I don't know.

Well that's the thing. You have to separate gender and sex. Sex is the biological definition of whether you're male or female, and that's something that obviously can't be argued against. Gender however, is your mental identification and that can go from cisgendered, to transgender, or genderfluid etc.

Cisgendered means you identify with the gender you were assigned with at birth. It was created as a neutral and inoffensive term over 'normal'/'regular people' or something like that.

[Tom4784]

I don't think the labelling of toys is a big deal, I had loads of Action Man figures as a kid and I remember one time taking one of my sister's Barbies and using some of my old Action Man clothes to turn her into an Action Woman and no one batted an eyelid at me essentially playing with a Barbie. In fact my dad, who is as masculine as you can be without wrestling a bear and is a bit of a casual homophobe, liked the fact that I was using my imagination.

I don't think it's a real concern, girls who play with barbies aren't always going to grow up to be typically girly girls and boys that play with army toys and such won't always grow up to a typical man's man. The choice of toys as a child won't change who the child will become. It's just a case of being painfully oversensitive.

[Shaun]

i had hot wheels, power rangers & thunderbirds and i grew up to be a total lad's lad

[Ninastar]

tbh i blame my love for polly pockets and barbie dolls for making me ghey

[Jack_]

Exactly! Finally someone else on here who gets it. :lovedup:

Likewise! Good to see you posting more recently, I've been fighting a lone battle on these issues for a while now :p

Well Munchkins helps but she's rarely online

again, like most social justice bloggers, you're assuming that the girls and boys toys will ONLY been seen as girls and boys toys and ONLY given to children of the 'correct' gender.

I very much doubt in the day in age, if a boy wants to play with the barbie toy rather than a car from a happy meal, a parent is going to say 'NO YOU ARE A BOY, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE GIRLS TOY!!! its the rules!!!!!'

seriously, people make on that these problems are so much worse than they are

yes, girls toys arent always just for girls and vice versa, i wont deny that

but things saying 'you must say this' or 'you cannot say that' are stupid because you are assuming things which quite often arent true

I'm not saying girls toys aren't given to boys and vice versa, but the very problem with labelling them as gender specific is that you socialise people into the belief that 'this toy is for boys and this toy is for girls', meaning that it doesn't matter whether you let your children play with opposite toys or not, they're going to be seen as 'weird'/'different'/'abnormal' etc. By giving them the labels in the first place you're creating a problem where kids will be looked upon as weird if they don't play with the toys they're 'supposed' to

Not only that but the gender stereotypes encoded within the toys are appalling, so girls are meant to have dolls houses, mini kitchens and Barbies because that's where they will be spending their life and their appearance is what they need to concentrate on because it's oh so important, meanwhile guys need to get their action toys out, cars and toys which symbolise strength, power and authority because they need to 'be a man' (so much wrong and damaging with that saying in itself but that's a different debate entirely)

Separating toys into specific genders just perpetuates gender stereotypes which are wholly untrue and also runs the risk of outcasting children that don't wish to play with the toys assigned to their gender

Toys don't need to be given a gender specific audience, they're just objects. I don't actually see any reason to label them as such

I imagine most of the 7 billion people on this planet have far more pressing concerns like poverty than "I'm not sure if I'm a boy or a girl". It's no coincidence that pretty much everyone who's involved in this movement is white and middle class... I just can't shake the attention-seeking air about it all.

And I get what you mean about toys/clothing, but if someone asked me what "gender" I was I'd take it to mean the same thing as what sex I was. All of this is to do with gender stereotypes, not gender itself.

Also I think a lot of the terms just alienate people and are thrown around to give the impression of research or expertise. I still have no idea what "cis" means and where it came from, and words ending in '____phobia' are banded about too much that it makes it seem a constantly aggressive and uncompromising movement.

I'm willing to admit I'm a total n00b about it all though.

Well of course, I'm far more interested and worried about economic policies and the ridiculously vast and unequal gaps in wealth but that doesn't mean we can forget about other issues. Obviously different things are going to be important to different people but inequality is inequality, it all needs to be sorted

[Jack_]

@ Ninastar's other post, the reason the kids are generally playing with the toys that have been assigned to their gender is because they've been socialised that way. That's the very point, by having 'girls toys' and 'boys toys' whether people like or not that then is seen as the norm and so children will just gravitate to those toys because that's what they feel is right to them

Girls don't pop out the vag searching for dolls houses and boys aren't eager to play with toy cars, this behaviour has to be taught. It isn't natural, it's socialisation

[Jessica.]

You can't say backward people don't still exist though. :joker: I posted this on facebook recently. http://puu.sh/7WcHI.png

omg edited the wrong post i fail

[Niall]

Likewise! Good to see you posting more recently, I've been fighting a lone battle on these issues for a while now :p

Well Munchkins helps but she's rarely online

Rofl well I'll help when I can! :tongue: I honestly think gender is such a stupid thing I mean gender roles are just so constraining. It's silly.

You can't say backward people don't still exist though. :joker: I posted this on facebook recently. http://puu.sh/7WcHI.png

Some people :facepalm:

[lily.]

I wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school.
I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy.

[Jessica.]

SHE DOESN'T EVEN GO HERe

[Firewire]

I wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school.
I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy.

You don't even go here, **** off.

[lily.]

I live here. :)

[Firewire]

I live here. :)

:amazed:

[Ninastar]

@ Ninastar's other post, the reason the kids are generally playing with the toys that have been assigned to their gender is because they've been socialised that way. That's the very point, by having 'girls toys' and 'boys toys' whether people like or not that then is seen as the norm and so children will just gravitate to those toys because that's what they feel is right to them

Girls don't pop out the vag searching for dolls houses and boys aren't eager to play with toy cars, this behaviour has to be taught. It isn't natural, it's socialisation

But if they are happy then what is the big deal?

[Jack_]

But if they are happy then what is the big deal?

Nothing? I don't get what you're trying to say? Yes if kids are happy playing with the toys that have been assigned to their gender then that's great, but there will be some whom don't wish to play with those toys and because of the gender labelling that exists there's a risk that those children will be outcasted and seen as 'weird' because they wish to play with a toy which doesn't conform with their gender and that's both stupid and appalling. The fact that toys are labelled by gender is what creates that problem in the first place, if you just create toys and stick them in a massive toy shop and don't divide them up into genders for absolutely no reason at all (like I said I can't actually think of one good logical reason for doing so, it's such a pointless yet damaging procedure) and therefore teach kids that toys are just objects and you can play with what you want, then any potential issues that I brought up in this thread are removed. What's wrong with that?

[GypsyGoth]

Forcing people to not recognize gender sounds intolerant. There are difference between boys and girls, deal with it. Imaging that the differences will go away if we live in some gender neutral world won't happen. What's next, sending kids to some gender neutral re-education camp? And what's after that, how about banning our hormones?

I'm not sure that it'll be a utopia at all, plus these toy stores would be a complete mess, toys of all sorts stacked together, sounds like a shopping nightmare.

[Jack_]

Way to over-exaggerate issues that aren't even there, the hyperbole wasn't really necessary

There are no natural personality differences other than biological ones between male and females, gender is a socially constructed concept. Deal with it.

Toys can be categorised by purpose, action/soft toys/dress up/cars/dolls, just like books are categorised into genres like romance/horror/thriller etc you don't need to separate them into gender specific categories so no it wouldn't be a 'shopping nightmare' it would be a shop without a girls and boys section, wow how will the world cope?!?!

[Ninastar]

Way to over-exaggerate issues that aren't even there, the hyperbole wasn't really necessary

There are no natural personality differences other than biological ones between male and females, gender is a socially constructed concept. Deal with it.

Toys can be categorised by purpose, action/soft toys/dress up/cars/dolls, just like books are categorised into genres like romance/horror/thriller etc you don't need to separate them into gender specific categories so no it wouldn't be a 'shopping nightmare' it would be a shop without a girls and boys section, wow how will the world cope?!?!

kinda ironic given the whole argument

[GypsyGoth]

Way to over-exaggerate issues that aren't even there, the hyperbole wasn't really necessary

There are no natural personality differences other than biological ones between male and females, gender is a socially constructed concept. Deal with it.

Toys can be categorised by purpose, action/soft toys/dress up/cars/dolls, just like books are categorised into genres like romance/horror/thriller etc you don't need to separate them into gender specific categories so no it wouldn't be a 'shopping nightmare' it would be a shop without a girls and boys section, wow how will the world cope?!?!

"gender is a socially constructed concept. Deal with it."

I am, I can deal with the world the way it is. You're the one who is "fighting a lone battle on these issues".

And if you believe that books aren't marketed to boys or girls then you haven't been in a bookstore or are totally naive.

And having all the dolls together is what's done in toy stores already, so what you want is to have all the dolls together, but if someone calls it a section for girls toys, they get fined or kicked out of your gender neutral world?

[lily.]

kinda ironic given the whole argument

http://cdn.styleforum.net/5/58/583e8f79_blackkid.gif

[Jack_]

One thing I will never understand about all of this is why some people care so much about an issue that doesn't affect them in the slightest

I realise I'm saying this as a person who has no experience or contact with any transgender person which is somewhat hypocritical but I've been fascinated by gender for a while now so I have reason to take an interest in it. But for those people who it doesn't affect, they have no experience of and they don't understand...I genuinely don't get why you care so much? Things like allowing the legal recognition of genders outside of the binary is not going to have any effect on your life, so why do you care? Most of the issues effect transgenders and any kind of liberation they're searching for is going to have very little impact on your lives so you caring seems pretty pointless to me. Some of these social justice people seem a little bizarre admittedly but well...don't search for it then? I'd get pissed off if I read a load of white nationalist stuff which I've come across on Twitter before...so...I don't look for it. Are you all just trying to rile yourselves up or something?

You don't have to understand it, but if it doesn't have an impact on your lives in any profound way what's there to care about? All that's going to happen is some people are going to feel accepted and liberated meanwhile your life continues as normal, what's wrong with that?

[Jack_]

kinda ironic given the whole argument

Except the issues I raised are there, so...not really

[Smithy]

This whole thread got real heavy real fast

[Jack_]

LOL @ that typo

[Ninastar]

people are making an issue, because as said in the thread, it's literally everywhere on tumblr

people are making you feel like ****, for not believing in something that you have a right to not believe in

its just all so hypocritical

[lily.]

I'm a casual observer in this heavy thread..

[Z]

When I were a lad there were just heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals and asexuals. Then they started introducing Leaf Greensexuals and suddenly your Pikachus and asexuals weren't enough anymore

[Jack_]

"gender is a socially constructed concept. Deal with it."

I am, I can deal with the world the way it is. You're the one who is "fighting a lone battle on these issues".

And if you believe that books aren't marketed to boys or girls then you haven't been in a bookstore or are totally naive.

And having all the dolls together is what's done in toy stores already, so what you want is to have all the dolls together, but if someone calls it a section for girls toys, they get fined or kicked out of your gender neutral world?

Yes you can deal with the world the way it is because it doesn't affect your wonderful liberated life, how lovely of you. These issues don't affect me personally, female inequality doesn't affect me, gay rights inequality doesn't affect me, a lot of economic inequality doesn't affect me...but they're all still issues which I care about, funnily enough I don't just think because the world is fine and dandy for me that I should forget about everyone else that faces injustice and inequality

I never said that either, I was using an example of how books are categorised into genres so you could have a similar process for toys

And why are you making up bizarre policies and hysterically putting words into my mouth? Why does a section of dolls need to be for girls - I actually don't understand that. What is it about a doll that means a girl should play with it? Do girls emerge from the womb desperate to play with Barbies or something? I didn't know that was part of our natural psych to be automatically attracted to plastic objects that look a certain way, I've been so mistaken all these years

[Z]

Jack if you want a Barbie just go and get one I'm honestly not judging

[Ninastar]

When I were a lad there were just heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals and asexuals. Then they started introducing Leaf Greensexuals and suddenly your Pikachus and asexuals weren't enough anymore



omfg

what about Fire Redcisgender?

[Jack_]

people are making an issue, because as said in the thread, it's literally everywhere on tumblr

people are making you feel like ****, for not believing in something that you have a right to not believe in

its just all so hypocritical

So because some teenagers on the messed up cluster**** of a site that Tumblr already is are searching for praise and attention you're going to devalue a genuine, real cause that concerns people who aren't on such sites whining and have these issues actually affecting their life? People on the other side of the world make you feel like ****, really? Just...read on...you don't have to read it and you don't have to be pissed off by it either, it devalues the genuine cause for no reason at all. They are what this thread is about, social justice bloggers...I don't think they need to be taken seriously (even if a couple of the things you posted are perfectly legitimate concerns)

These issues don't affect well I'm guessing 100% of the people in this thread so there's no reason for anyone to give a ****, if you don't understand it then just concentrate on issues you are actually passionate about and leave people that care about this to sort it themselves. Like I've already said, most of the stuff they're after will never have any kind of profound impact on anyones life and it some of it would certainly never happen in our lifetime anyway so there is no real reason to get care about it if you don't understand/aren't affected by it. If it's going to make some people happy and not change you, what's there to care about? How is that so bad?

[GypsyGoth]

Yes you can deal with the world the way it is because it doesn't affect your wonderful liberated life, how lovely of you. These issues don't affect me personally, female inequality doesn't affect me, gay rights inequality doesn't affect me, a lot of economic inequality doesn't affect me...but they're all still issues which I care about, funnily enough I don't just think because the world is fine and dandy for me that I should forget about everyone else that faces injustice and inequality

I never said that either, I was using an example of how books are categorised into genres so you could have a similar process for toys

And why are you making up bizarre policies Why does a section of dolls need to be for girls - I actually don't understand that. What is it about a doll that means a girl should play with it? Do girls emerge from the womb desperate to play with Barbies or something? I didn't know that was part of our natural psych to be automatically attracted to plastic objects that look a certain way, I've been so mistaken all these years

Do people with these new made up genders really face injustice and inequality?

And I fail to see the issue of toys being called girls toys and boys toys. And if you don't have any bizarre policies against them, then why not leave it the way it is.

Have you looked into the effects of a gender neutral world on kids? Are you just guessing that it would be a better place for you to live?

[Z]

To be serious for a moment; there will likely never be a time when toys (or... anything, really) will be gender neutral. It's a marketing thing. Too many companies revolve around being on either side of the gender gap. Magazines, toys, literature, grooming products, clothes... it's a utopian ideal that will never be achieved which is why it's so appealing to 'deconstruct' because it'll never actually happen.

[Jack_]

Do people with these new made up genders really face injustice and inequality?

And I fail to see the issue of toys being called girls toys and boys toys. And if you don't have any bizarre policies against them, then why not leave it the way it is.

Have you looked into the effects of a gender neutral world on kids? Are you just guessing that it would be a better place for you to live?

Hm let's see

- Overwhelming ridicule and rejection (case in point: this thread) from people who refuse to understand or listen to how they feel
- The fact that in most places they can't be legally recognised by what they define themselves as
- A perpetuation of the agonising self-doubt/hate and confusion that they already face as a result of numerous things that have been mentioned in this thread

I've already explained the issues, do I really need to go over this again?

Separating toys into genders socialises children into believing that they are naturally supposed to play with certain bits of plastic because that's what they've been taught to, meaning that there's a risk that any child who deters from that and wishes to play with a toy that hasn't been assigned to their gender could face being isolated, rejected and seen as weird for deviating from what's 'normal'.

Not only that, but the gender roles and stereotypes that are encoded within these gender specific toys are appalling. Teaching boys that they need to 'be a man' and 'man up' by playing with action figurines and cars, that they need to be strong, authoritative because that's what being a man is all about. Teaching girls that they need to play with Barbies and miniature kitchens because a girls appearance is very important and you must make yourself look perfect in order to impress the boys and you need to learn your place which is in the home. It just perpetuates these age old stereotypes which need to be eradicated

I see no actual reason for them to be labelled as boys and girls toys, there's no downsides to those labels being removed whatsoever yet there's no clear benefits for them existing, so why do they need to? What's the issue if we stop doing it? It's not about a 'gender neutral utopia' at all that's a wild exaggeration on your part, it's simply letting kids play with whatever bits of plastic they wish not because they've been socialised into thinking they have to play with this because that's the ~natural thing to do as if you emerge from the womb having any idea about toys anyway.

I actually can't believe that some people seemingly think that toy selection is natural and can't seem to understand that everything about it is socialisation, we are near-empty blank slates when we're born you know, we're born into a world of codes and messages and stereotypes which we are taught and that shapes the people we become. You aren't born liking Barbie, Big Brother and onesies

[Jack_]

To be serious for a moment; there will likely never be a time when toys (or... anything, really) will be gender neutral. It's a marketing thing. Too many companies revolve around being on either side of the gender gap. Magazines, toys, literature, grooming products, clothes... it's a utopian ideal that will never be achieved which is why it's so appealing to 'deconstruct' because it'll never actually happen.

Certainly not in our lifetime no, but I've said this in threads on other inequality based topics before in that I genuinely believe as generations evolve so will attitudes to all aspects of life, people will become more tolerant, understanding and open to new ideas and beliefs. Just as black and gay people have been slowly but surely liberated in the last 100 years, so will other minorities and so will other groups that face inequality, that's just the way the world works. It progresses and evolves

Thankfully most of the people who hold the backwards thinking ideas on stuff like gay/black rights won't be around soon enough and with every generation will come more liberal thinking ideas, things are bound to change drastically. Not in our life time, but they will

[Z]

I don't think anyone will ever take what you're arguing seriously though, Jack. I don't think you're wrong or even disagree with you, I just don't think very many people consider 'gendered toys' to even be a problem in the first place. Maybe Barbie really does teach girls unrealistic expectations and boys are considered weird if they want to play with them; but none of that really matters when you fast forward ten years and kids get picked on for wearing glasses/being fat/ginger/unfashionable/gay/whatever reason kids decide to exclude one another to assert themselves. Kids pick on each other for all sorts of reasons, making toys non-gender specific is all good and well but what purpose does it serve? None, in my opinion. People still ostracise one another for all sorts of reasons, the toys you played with as a child don't define you as an adult. They might define what you like as an adult, but so what?

And, because none of us will ever know, we can speculate all we like about how great it might be to have non-gender specific toys, but I'm 100% certain that would come with its own unique set of problems that we can't even imagine because we don't know what that would be like. Nothing in the world is perfect.

[GypsyGoth]

Hm let's see

- Overwhelming ridicule and rejection (case in point: this thread) from people who refuse to understand or listen to how they feel
- The fact that in most places they can't be legally recognised by what they define themselves as
- A perpetuation of the agonising self-doubt/hate and confusion that they already face as a result of numerous things that have been mentioned in this thread

I've already explained the issues, do I really need to go over this again?

Separating toys into genders socialises children into believing that they are naturally supposed to play with certain bits of plastic because that's what they've been taught to, meaning that there's a risk that any child who deters from that and wishes to play with a toy that hasn't been assigned to their gender could face being isolated, rejected and seen as weird for deviating from what's 'normal'.

Not only that, but the gender roles and stereotypes that are encoded within these gender specific toys are appalling. Teaching boys that they need to 'be a man' and 'man up' by playing with action figurines and cars, that they need to be strong, authoritative because that's what being a man is all about. Teaching girls that they need to play with Barbies and miniature kitchens because a girls appearance is very important and you must make yourself look perfect in order to impress the boys and you need to learn your place which is in the home. It just perpetuates these age old stereotypes which need to be eradicated

I see no actual reason for them to be labelled as boys and girls toys, there's no downsides to those labels being removed whatsoever yet there's no clear benefits for them existing, so why do they need to? What's the issue if we stop doing it? It's not about a 'gender neutral utopia' at all that's a wild exaggeration on your part, it's simply letting kids play with whatever bits of plastic they wish not because they've been socialised into thinking they have to play with this because that's the ~natural thing to do as if you emerge from the womb having any idea about toys anyway.

I actually can't believe that some people seemingly think that toy selection is natural and can't seem to understand that everything about it is socialization, we are near-empty blank slates when we're born you know, we're born into a world of codes and messages and stereotypes which we are taught and that shapes the people we become. You aren't born liking Barbie, Big Brother and onesies

I'm not convinced, I fail to see how having this debate in this thread is ridiculing and rejecting the gender opposed people (?) of the world. And legally recognizing a multitude of new gender roles, that's meant to what, makes things easier for people. Also self-doubt/hate is part of life, having a bunch of new labels won't change that.

Anyway we live in a society, leaving kids as black slates won't benefit the society. And in this society, regardless of if the toys are sold to boys or girls, both genders are allowed and do play with them.

Lastly the downside to not being able to categorize toys as girls or boys, is that we're losing a way to simplify the world.

Having stuff like "Non-binary" or "Pangender" on your passport instead of male or female isn't really what the world is crying out for now is it? Although it kinda does come under the heading of first world problems.

[Marsh.]

First world problems. Perfect description.

[Ninastar]

well said claudia.

i just can't take an 'issue' that seriously when there isn't even a problem in the first place

[Niall]

One thing I will never understand about all of this is why some people care so much about an issue that doesn't affect them in the slightest

I realise I'm saying this as a person who has no experience or contact with any transgender person which is somewhat hypocritical but I've been fascinated by gender for a while now so I have reason to take an interest in it. But for those people who it doesn't affect, they have no experience of and they don't understand...I genuinely don't get why you care so much? Things like allowing the legal recognition of genders outside of the binary is not going to have any effect on your life, so why do you care? Most of the issues effect transgenders and any kind of liberation they're searching for is going to have very little impact on your lives so you caring seems pretty pointless to me. Some of these social justice people seem a little bizarre admittedly but well...don't search for it then? I'd get pissed off if I read a load of white nationalist stuff which I've come across on Twitter before...so...I don't look for it. Are you all just trying to rile yourselves up or something?

You don't have to understand it, but if it doesn't have an impact on your lives in any profound way what's there to care about? All that's going to happen is some people are going to feel accepted and liberated meanwhile your life continues as normal, what's wrong with that?

A-****ING-MEN. :worship:

[Tom4784]

I'm not convinced, I fail to see how having this debate in this thread is ridiculing and rejecting the gender opposed people (?) of the world. And legally recognizing a multitude of new gender roles, that's meant to what, makes things easier for people. Also self-doubt/hate is part of life, having a bunch of new labels won't change that.

Anyway we live in a society, leaving kids as black slates won't benefit the society. And in this society, regardless of if the toys are sold to boys or girls, both genders are allowed and do play with them.

Lastly the downside to not being able to categorize toys as girls or boys, is that we're losing a way to simplify the world.

Having stuff like "Non-binary" or "Pangender" on your passport instead of male or female isn't really what the world is crying out for now is it? Although it kinda does come under the heading of first world problems.

Very true, I agree with all of this.

[Munchkins]

I'm sort of in the social justice blogging on tumblr just by association :x
but ugh i end up disagreeing with some of them
But i'm just not going to go into much of the discussion i really cba but Jack and Niall i agree.. i just don't see how it concerns people :x so what

[Kyle]

God can you imagine a gender neutral world in the future.

Little boy: mommy I want a train set for christmas

Mom: whooah hold on there jimmy, are you sure? Have you seen the new lipstick barbie doll?

Little boy: I don't want a barbie doll I want hornby train set.

Mom: well Jimmy you see a long time ago those nasty heterosexuals decided that liking trains and cars and Macho soldier things was a lads thing to do and they repressed all the little boys who wanted to play with my little pony and Polly pocket. But the good news is there are no boys toys and girls toys, everything is neutral gender. Now you can play with the barbie like you always wanted.

Little boy: but I don't care about barbie mom I'm not interested in dress up I want to play with trains.

Mom: well are you sure? Cos I'm not forcing you to pick a toy that used to be for boys. Look a pony!

Little boy: I don't care about ponies mom I want a ********* train set.

Mom: tell you what I'll get you the pony because I don't want to look like I'm forcing any archaic male stereotypes on you. Right now you just wait here while I just pop off to the gender neutral toilet. you stay here like a good little neutral person. Oops I said little, how rude and insensitive of me, I of course meant person of non preferential height.

[lily.]

Jack if you want a Barbie just go and get one I'm honestly not judging

lol

[Apple202]

oh dear at Kyle's post, kinda sad that that's his first response and assumption when someone comes up with a simple idea that promotes equality

[Munchkins]

The thing that annoys me the most about people moaning about the cisphobia on tumblr is, its not actually going to provoke much violence, you're not suddenly going to see cis people being murdered and opressed, in the way that say Trans people are..
Yes the people on tumblr do go too far, and i do find it ridiculous BUT if thats there outlet to let there frustration at constantly being misgendered/harassed/personally attacked for choosing to be who they are then so be it
If there is suddenly a rise in cisphobic attacks, then yes theres a problem, but there isnt, and all these people are doing is posting things like "cis tears" and the fact people get so worked up on it just shows.. imagine if you had to put up with that daily in real life?
Just leave them be.. most of them are young teens who arent accepting and have ****ty home lives.. if moaning and being a bit over the top helps them, let them
I don't believe reacting to discrimination with more hate is going to help the cause at all, but i certainly don't blame them for holding some resentment

[Apple202]

tbh im starting to agree with some of them, obviously not the bat **** crazy ones but it's so annoying how it's always the groups less prejudiced against aka white men and women moaning about how hard they have it and how the tables have turned on them while being completely ignorant or choosing to ignore the prejudice so many other groups of society go through under their noses like my geography teacher always makes sexist jokes and then moans about how women are allowed to take the piss out of men on TV and men supposedly cant do the same it's just like :sleep:

on the other hand obviously stuff like 'if you're a white cishet man get out' is just as bad as any other form of racism, and i dont like the ones who respond to racism and 'oppresion' (i hate that word now) with more racism against the ones who supposedly oppress them, but some of them can actually make some good points

oh and the whole 'X' gender thing should be a complete non issue, i dont see how anyones choice of gender effects anyone else so why cant they legally be who they feel like they are

[Tom4784]

It's all pretty ridiculous to me, and like Cait said it reeks of First World Problems. It just comes across as a giant plea for attention.

[Me. I Am Salman]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/64bb31bc1440d568003eae23107bbc42/tumblr_n39m6lpRQa1sndi5eo1_500.jpg

why?

can we really not say girls toys or boys toys anymore?

This one I agree with 10000%, I don't get why people can't see the implications of labelling things like that. It is absolutely one of the reasons for confusion/bullying/self-hate in the future

[Me. I Am Salman]

God can you imagine a gender neutral world in the future.

Little boy: mommy I want a train set for christmas

Mom: whooah hold on there jimmy, are you sure? Have you seen the new lipstick barbie doll?

Little boy: I don't want a barbie doll I want hornby train set.

Mom: well Jimmy you see a long time ago those nasty heterosexuals decided that liking trains and cars and Macho soldier things was a lads thing to do and they repressed all the little boys who wanted to play with my little pony and Polly pocket. But the good news is there are no boys toys and girls toys, everything is neutral gender. Now you can play with the barbie like you always wanted.

Little boy: but I don't care about barbie mom I'm not interested in dress up I want to play with trains.

Mom: well are you sure? Cos I'm not forcing you to pick a toy that used to be for boys. Look a pony!

Little boy: I don't care about ponies mom I want a ********* train set.

Mom: tell you what I'll get you the pony because I don't want to look like I'm forcing any archaic male stereotypes on you. Right now you just wait here while I just pop off to the gender neutral toilet. you stay here like a good little neutral person. Oops I said little, how rude and insensitive of me, I of course meant person of non preferential height.

are you being serious?

[Me. I Am Salman]

'First world problems' well this kinda thing leads to suicide and self-harm so..

[Me. I Am Salman]

What have I done

I wasn't addressing stuff like this when making this thread

I've created a monster

[Tom4784]

This one I agree with 10000%, I don't get why people can't see the implications of labelling things like that. It is absolutely one of the reasons for confusion/bullying/self-hate in the future

The labelling of a toy isn't going to affect anyone to that extent, the cause of Self Hate runs deeper then which toys someone played with as a child.

[Apple202]

What have I done

I wasn't addressing stuff like this when making this thread

I've created a monster

ikr i'm siding with the pictures people post in here way more than the posters themselves

[Ninastar]

The labelling of a toy isn't going to affect anyone to that extent, the cause of Self Hate runs deeper then which toys someone played with as a child.

exactly.

especially considering it isn't even that bad anymore!

and its not going to get any worse! every day is a step further, gay marriage was finally made legal this week...

as previously mentioned, its just an attention seeking, first world problem that is pushed by people on the internet because they don't talk about it in real life

[Benjamin]

There's me thinking we were in Chat And Games, I seem to have stumbled into serious debates...

[Vicky.]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/9213f1f7849e15a60e3e51ddc5c6ba9e/tumblr_inline_n1ktwytX3k1qesqi5.png

:umm2:

I dont understand how you can not identify with either gender

Is this those people who think they are really a cat and stuff?:umm2:

[Firewire]

fandoms are so annoying omg hate tumblr

[Vicky.]

"Just a friendly reminder that u should call ur animals by gender-neutral or multiple pronouns. They CAN understand you and YES it is possible for an animal to be trans. Your cat having a penis does not make it male. It is straight up animal abuse to deliberately misgender your pets so please do not do it."

im crying
Best on here by a mile :joker:

[Shaun]

i just called my cat a good girl OMG

[Tom4784]

i just called my cat a good girl OMG

YOU ****ING MONSTER :fist:

[Me. I Am Salman]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/5dd13f96a84e5c425f1bf164246498ef/tumblr_mo0pywRhLi1qfrud0o1_500.jpg

[Ninastar]

i just called my cat a good girl OMG

you white privileged son of a bitch

[lily.]

The labelling of a toy isn't going to affect anyone to that extent, the cause of Self Hate runs deeper then which toys someone played with as a child.


ngl Dean... there is a plethora of hate rises inside me every time you say 'then' when you mean 'than'

[Shaun]

I'm glad you've raised this Linda

[Z]

ngl Dean... there is a plethora of hate rises inside me every time you say 'then' when you mean 'than'

:joker: Aww I like Dean's typos... I can imagine it in his accent

[lily.]

It's not a typo though.. it's just a Deanism.

[Marsh.]

"It doesn't affect you."

:joker:

One of the worst excuses ever used on the internet.
If you're going to make judgements on terms/labels/language people use then yes, it includes everybody.

You want things changed down to the slightest description just for the sake of it, or in some vain attempt to please a minority group and then don't listen to the counter arguments but respond with "But it doesn't affect you".

:joker: If I get leaped on for daring to suggest someone with a penis is a male or an action man is a boy's toy then yes it does affect me.

[Vicky.]

As a person with a vagina, I fully agree with you marsh

[Tom4784]

ngl Dean... there is a plethora of hate rises inside me every time you say 'then' when you mean 'than'

https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbket7MF011r23mpbo1_500.gif

[Marsh.]

As a person with a vagina, I fully agree with you marsh

My penis thanks you for your support. :hugesmile:

[Apple202]

if the strongest reason you can come up with as for not providing an X gender option is that it will upset your way of seeing everyone as either male or female and therefore it's not fair on you then really that just proves the point that it truly doesnt affect you

[Apple202]

btw i hope u guys realise that the pet post was created by a troll account...

[Marsh.]

if the strongest reason you can come up with as for not providing an X gender option is that it will upset your way of seeing everyone as either male or female and therefore it's not fair on you then really that just proves the point that it truly doesnt affect you

Where did I say it's "not fair"? :conf:

I'm saying the "issue" of what terms are and are not acceptable involves everybody. You can't strive to present equality for a minority group of people and then tell others it's nothing to do with them.

If you have a problem with the terms I use then it's a debate I am rightly a part of.

When an issue is about language it includes everybody.

[Niall]

"It doesn't affect you."

:joker:

One of the worst excuses ever used on the internet.
If you're going to make judgements on terms/labels/language people use then yes, it includes everybody.

You want things changed down to the slightest description just for the sake of it, or in some vain attempt to please a minority group and then don't listen to the counter arguments but respond with "But it doesn't affect you".

:joker: If I get leaped on for daring to suggest someone with a penis is a male or an action man is a boy's toy then yes it does affect me.

Well actually, campaigns for alternative titles and pronouns will not affect in the slightest if you identity with the sex you were assigned with at birth. :idc:

No-one is stopping you from referring to either of those things in that manner either. All that's needed really is more widespread recognition and teaching that that is not the status quo..

[Marsh.]

Well actually, campaigns for alternative titles and pronouns will not affect in the slightest if you identity with the sex you were assigned with at birth. :idc:

No-one is stopping you from referring to either of those things in that manner either. All that's needed really is more widespread recognition and teaching that that is not the status quo..

Of course they aren't.

[Niall]

I mean honestly say what you like about this being a 'first world problem' or 'attention seeking', but when you get down to it what harm is it actually doing? None. Absolutely none. It's doing the exact opposite if anything.

This is what it irks me to see people get all irritated with progressive gender attitudes and campaigns. The binary system does more harm than good, and complaining about other people trying to broaden it a little just reinforces that. It's ludicrous.

[Smithy]

salman look at what you've started

http://abload.de/img/16426027q9onk.gif

[Niall]

Well at least it's an argument over something that matters rather than the quality of [insert popstar name here]'s music or something :idc:

[Firewire]

Such a minor issue seems to have cause such a stir

[Marsh.]

If you want to call yourself an 80% masculine, non gendered person with a vagina, knock yourself out.

But if I want to call you a woman, don't complain.

[Smithy]

Well at least it's an argument over something that matters rather than the quality of [insert popstar name here]'s music or something :idc:

lets not, mr former rihanna stan

[Firewire]

I'm gonna continue to be a boy and do masculine things

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9490/643041645.gif

[Niall]

lets not, mr former rihanna stan

WE DON'T SPEAK OF THAT

http://media.tumblr.com/5d74df9d6d8c44b82470c1286dddb7ed/tumblr_inline_msip6bVz5a1qz4rgp.gif

[Ninastar]

I'm gonna do continue to be a boy and do masculine things

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9490/643041645.gif

that throw is so bad its cute

[Z]

that throw is so bad its cute

I bet she'd have thrown better if she hadn't been taught that baseball is for men :fist:

[Smithy]

WE DON'T SPEAK OF THAT

http://media.tumblr.com/5d74df9d6d8c44b82470c1286dddb7ed/tumblr_inline_msip6bVz5a1qz4rgp.gif

Whatever you say niall

https://31.media.tumblr.com/16e8d8aca5a21715b1b4c14b03ce3eff/tumblr_inline_mz2fgv7hwO1qa3az2.gif

[Firewire]

I bet she'd have thrown better if she hadn't been taught that baseball is for men :fist:

Baseball is for men!

[Me. I Am Salman]

changed the title back :idc:

[Firewire]

changed the title back :idc:

i got lost

[Me. I Am Salman]

https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk4gw3eZqW1qb6zsjo1_500.gif

[Shaun]

I mean honestly say what you like about this being a 'first world problem' or 'attention seeking', but when you get down to it what harm is it actually doing? None. Absolutely none. It's doing the exact opposite if anything.

Portraying anyone considered a social activist, or queer or trans, as a deeply irrational arsehole who makes up tonnes of words and phobias and launches attacks on something so trivial as happy meal toys? I genuinely consider this whole thing damaging to LGBT movements. It just makes us look hysterical and there's no science behind it at all. (Granted, psychoanalysis is still in the early stages and I'm sure some study in 5 years will prove me wrong)

[Ninastar]

Portraying anyone considered a social activist, or queer or trans, as a deeply irrational arsehole who makes up tonnes of words and phobias and launches attacks on something so trivial as happy meal toys? I genuinely consider this whole thing damaging to LGBT movements. It just makes us look hysterical and there's no science behind it at all. (Granted, psychoanalysis is still in the early stages and I'm sure some study in 5 years will prove me wrong)

thank you.

[Benjamin]

Portraying anyone considered a social activist, or queer or trans, as a deeply irrational arsehole who makes up tonnes of words and phobias and launches attacks on something so trivial as happy meal toys? I genuinely consider this whole thing damaging to LGBT movements. It just makes us look hysterical and there's no science behind it at all. (Granted, psychoanalysis is still in the early stages and I'm sure some study in 5 years will prove me wrong)

I absolutely agree.

[Shaun]

someone who claims they are "gender fluid" followed me on twitter today THANKS A LOT JACK

[Marsh.]

someone who claims they are "gender fluid" followed me on twitter today THANKS A LOT JACK

Call them a man.

[Jack_]

:joker:

Gender fluid is probably the easiest to understand of them all tbh

[Marsh.]

They are easy to understand.

What's the clinical term? Err... oh yeah... attention seeker. :joker:

[Jack_]

If you aren't willing to do any reading, listen to any opposing arguments and the issues don't affect you, you may as well stay out of it

That's the one problem with having this debate, especially on this forum it seems...it usually starts off quite civilised as it did in this thread, but as always some people seem to feel the need to jump in and make sarcastic and patronising insults for no reason whatsoever. It's immature, counter productive and cheapens what should be an interesting and thought-provoking debate on either side of the argument. But then this is a Big Brother forum, so expecting a high calibre of people to discuss an issue like this is probably a bit misguided of me

[Marsh.]

I was willing to have a discussion about it but when I'm outright told that my opinions/observations on the matter mean squat because "it doesn't affect you" and "it's nothing to do with you" then what more do you want?

I can't have a discussion with that because my opinions are nullified before I even have a chance to give them. :laugh:

[Jack_]

But you aren't willing to have a discussion, are you? You've written off those involved as 'attention seekers' before a discussion has even begun, laughed at the issues and even resorted to insinuating in a couple of posts in this this thread that people whom identify as a gender which doesn't align with their biological sex should be spited by calling them a 'man' even if they identify as a woman

I thought you were better than that actually, didn't have you down as one of 'those' that sees fit to do that, kinda like those people who will insist on pronouncing someone's name a different way to how they wish to be known as just because there's multiple ways of pronouncing it and they prefer a different way. A separate matter this is I suppose but anyone can have whatever opinions they like on these issues but if to their face they aren't willing to show a bit of respect and address them how they would prefer to be addressed, they're an ignorant and rude **** and are basically a waste of oxygen

I wasn't necessarily just referring to you either btw it was more of a general comment, there's only been a handful of people (Zee and Shaun mainly) in this thread who've been able to comment on these issues maturely without resorting to sarcastic and patronising insults just because they aren't willing to engage in a proper civilised and interesting discussion about the topic

[Marsh.]

But you aren't willing to have a discussion, are you? You've written off those involved as 'attention seekers' before a discussion has even begun,

I've tried a discussion in this thread where everyone was then told we're not in serious debates, which I agree this isn't the place for it. And there was one started in the controversial opinions thread. Both times I was told it's nothing to do with me.

Not much of a conversation starter when that's the response.

My jokes are just that, jokes. If you want to get offended on behalf of people, go ahead.

[T*]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mee10cHgVz1rr6iggo1_500.jpg
People keep reblogging this when it's fake and the black statue is actually a statue in the Carribean Island and it was sculpted in 2007. Google it and look for a snope link Ffs.

[MTVN]

If you aren't willing to do any reading, listen to any opposing arguments and the issues don't affect you, you may as well stay out of it

That's the one problem with having this debate, especially on this forum it seems...it usually starts off quite civilised as it did in this thread, but as always some people seem to feel the need to jump in and make sarcastic and patronising insults for no reason whatsoever. It's immature, counter productive and cheapens what should be an interesting and thought-provoking debate on either side of the argument. But then this is a Big Brother forum, so expecting a high calibre of people to discuss an issue like this is probably a bit misguided of me

But then you call out people for being patronising and disrespectful and then demean everyone on here for being on a Big Brother forum and therefore incapable of being 'high calibre'. Such sentiments are probably a large part of the problem of these movements, they're seen as being driven by a self proclaimed intellectual elite, whose concepts of gender are inaccessible to most people and completely detached from real world comprehension.

[Jack_]

I didn't demean everyone, I'm on a Big Brother forum myself...I'd be a little bit of a hypocrite. I was just pointing on that this debate started off perfectly civilised but as always whenever this topic seems to come up on here there are some posters who feel the need to derail the discussion with sarcastic and patronising insults for absolutely no reason at all. It's counter-productive, produces animosity and makes those on the opposing side wish not to discuss the matter with people who clearly aren't going to be mature enough to keep it civilised

I already pointed out the handful of people in this thread that despite holding the majority opinion were still able to address the opposing side in a respectful way asking probing questions that weren't littered with digs and a mocking attitude. It solves nothing

[Marsh.]

So, to end the vague and veiled insults, who ARE you talking about?

[Marsh.]

http://petapixel.com/2013/02/11/woman-photographs-herself-receiving-strange-looks-in-public/

:joker:

Or maybe they're wondering why you're stood posing in the street and taking pictures of them you silly bitch.

[Me. I Am Salman]

http://i57.tinypic.com/2z5tz0m.jpg

[Ninastar]

http://i.imgur.com/V0jb5K9.jpg

[Ninastar]

made me lol

[Roy Mars III]

tumblr is proof we are truly in the final days

[Niall]

http://i.imgur.com/V0jb5K9.jpg

https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx9i4teJUd1qb9pa3o1_500.png

[Firewire]

http://i.imgur.com/V0jb5K9.jpg

:laugh2:

[Jack_]

What a surprise at this being bumped again, some people have real issues

but rofl @ the idea of a lot parents allowing their children to choose their own religion and not baptise/christen them

[Ninastar]

issues for finding something funny

okay

[Josy]

Not Jack that finds jokes about HIV hilarious insinuating that others have real issues for laughing at something on the internet..

[Jack_]

The only time you bump this thread is when you've found something (presumably because you go looking for it) about transsexuality, I would say that's an obsession and therefore an issue. Even I don't care that much about it

And not Josy not understanding that the HIV thing wasn't a joke and that it was funny because of how the person texting was shot down :o

[Smithy]

Not Jack that finds jokes about HIV hilarious insinuating that others have real issues for laughing at something on the internet..

http://i.imgur.com/PKtjQJK.gif

[Ninastar]

buurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmjS7WTwddF_xJnKWu1VLZN8nyFl0M2 u0cA8X5wsQmPF-5SH3I8g

[Ninastar]

omgz how did you know i went looking for it!!! i totally do that in my spare time

[Firewire]

http://i.imgur.com/PKtjQJK.gif

omg that gif

[Jack_]

This thread has been constantly bumped by you trying to provoke a reaction and even now after three weeks since it died you want to drag it up again, there is literally no other reason to post something like that in here when you know it's just baiting

[Josy]

The only time you bump this thread is when you've found something (presumably because you go looking for it) about transsexuality, I would say that's an obsession and therefore an issue. Even I don't care that much about it

And not Josy not understanding that the HIV thing wasn't a joke and that it was funny because of how the person texting was shot down :o

I don't care if the HIV thing was a joke or not, if it was in fact a real text message which I doubt then finding the fact that someone had possibly contracted HIV from an ex hilarious is even worse..

My point was that you were being extremely hypocritical.

[Jack_]

Not Josy still not understanding the joke, it wasn't funny because he had contracted HIV, it was funny because he thought he was being clever trying to patronise the ex and was then shot down with something that he wasn't expecting, there's a difference

Doubt it was a real text anyway

[Ninastar]

its posted because 95% of the people in this thread think its funny.

[Firewire]

its posted because 95% of the people in this thread think its funny.

also it's relevant to the thread

[Jack_]

I know some people will assume I'm just being flippant here but I swear this is a genuine, serious question I've just thought of - Josy (or any mod), if I or someone else were to say idk post a joke which could be construed as racist or homophobic, but it would literally just be a joke (I'm sure everyone on here by now knows that I think with comedy anything goes and should go)...then would they be infracted or warned for it?

I don't think they should be nor do I think things like Ninastar just posted should be either, I obviously get that picture is a joke...but surely if you were going to punish people for posting jokes which some would interpret as offensive on grounds of race or sexuality, the same thing should apply to something like this? Just because some people don't think it's a real issue (like some people don't/didn't about homosexuality) it doesn't mean that it isn't to some...so what would be the rules around this?

As I said I personally think anything should go but I'm genuinely curious (I swear) here as to how that'd be enforced, surely you can't have one rule for some and another for others?

[Firewire]

I know some people will assume I'm just being flippant here but I swear this is a genuine, serious question I've just thought of - Josy (or any mod), if I or someone else were to say idk post a joke which could be construed as racist or homophobic, but it would literally just be a joke (I'm sure everyone on here by now knows that I think with comedy anything goes and should go)...then would they be infracted or warned for it?

I don't think they should be nor do I think things like Ninastar just posted should be either, I obviously get that picture is a joke...but surely if you were going to punish people for posting jokes which some would interpret as offensive on grounds of race or sexuality, the same thing should apply to something like this? Just because some people don't think it's a real issue (like some people don't/didn't about homosexuality) it doesn't mean that it isn't to some...so what would be the rules around this?

As I said I personally think anything should go but I'm genuinely curious (I swear) here as to how that'd be enforced, surely you can't have one rule for some and another for others?

i don't see caitlin's picture as offensive. the hilarity lies in the fact that it's so absurd.

[Shaun]

-didn't find it funny tbh, just because it was about as subtle as a brick :laugh:-

[Jack_]

I never said it was offensive, I don't get offended by jokes...people on here should realise that by now...what I'm saying is that if some people on here were to post jokes that could be construed by some as to be offensive on the grounds of race or sexuality and those would be punished (which I also don't agree they should be, a joke is a joke), then why would something like this be allowed if there are genuinely some people who would probably find it offensive?

I don't think it should be punished, I don't think any jokes should be punished, my point is that I'm sure on here they would be, maybe they wouldn't idk, so I'm just asking a serious question that I'm curious about as to if and how it's determined that some groups are more important to prevent being 'offended' than others

[Josy]

If something offensive is posted it would get dealt with, I don't think anyones ever been infracted for posting something that was intended to be a joke (within reason), the comment would more than likely just be removed..

I couldn't possibly give a definite answer right now because it would obviously depend on what exactly had been posted.

[Jack_]

But how do you guys determine what is 'offensive'? Surely that differs from person to person? While I don't get offended by jokes, others obviously might and then you get into issues of well that's offensive to gay people/black people/disabled people, so my point would be then why would this group of people not be included in that if there would be some whom could be offended by it?

So if someone were to report that, it would be removed but not infracted? I think I get it

I did once get infracted though for posting a 'racist' joke (I can't even remember what it was but it's on my infractions profile with the 'racist' reason next to it) and I could've sworn I was maybe warned for this (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209056&highlight=lol) because I remember being annoyed at how it was clearly mocking the Mail but perhaps I wasn't idk, and I know other jokes have been removed over the years on here on grounds of them being 'offensive' to certain groups so I was genuinely just wondering how you decide who takes preference (if anyone) and why

[Josy]

But how do you guys determine what is 'offensive'? Surely that differs from person to person? While I don't get offended by jokes, others obviously might and then you get into issues of well that's offensive to gay people/black people/disabled people, so my point would be then why would this group of people not be included in that if there would be some whom could be offended by it?

So if someone were to report that, it would be removed but not infracted? I think I get it

I did once get infracted though for posting a 'racist' joke (I can't even remember what it was but it's on my infractions profile with the 'racist' reason next to it) and I could've sworn I was maybe warned for this (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209056&highlight=lol) because I remember being annoyed at how it was clearly mocking the Mail but perhaps I wasn't idk, and I know other jokes have been removed over the years on here on grounds of them being 'offensive' to certain groups so I was genuinely just wondering how you decide who takes preference (if anyone) and why

Not that's not what would definitely happen, like I said above it would depend what had been posted.

And also things are dealt with at the mods discretion that deals with it.

[Josy]

Also that post you linked to wasn't warned or infracted.

[Jack_]

Fair enough, I appreciate the answers. Thank you :)

[Smithy]

Destroy the idea that bisexual people can only be attracted to cis men and women. Destroy it.
pansexuality
what you’re thinking of is called pansexuality
Bisexuality: attraction to two or more genders.

cis men and women + trans men and women = the same two genders.

If they were the same there wouldn’t be two different names for them I think. Also there are bi people who are not attracted to transgendered people, so if you are I think you fit in with the pan jump in the water’s nice

what http://exhalecdn.breatheheavy.com/public/style_emoticons/default/moorangu.png

[Firewire]

what http://exhalecdn.breatheheavy.com/public/style_emoticons/default/moorangu.png

controversial but i don't think pansexuality exists

[Ninastar]

^ most people don't. It's an internet thing IMO

[Me. I Am Salman]

okay, THIS is the kind of thing that made me start this thread. people on tumblr try and discredit people/start witch hunts and it's a serious case of straw clutching

https://31.media.tumblr.com/aeebed345c3ba149fbd73f0916d71e0f/tumblr_n4vah3KkWJ1rwf1i7o1_500.jpg
https://31.media.tumblr.com/c7636d31876eb6d54fd0610b8ce7fe65/tumblr_n4vah3KkWJ1rwf1i7o2_500.jpg
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White, stomping with ~~~misandry, your litas and Tina Fey gifs while simultaneously ignoring women of color and their feelings but having plenty of time to talk about winged eyeliner and discussing which white basic actor is your new “bae”, feminists keep messaging me saying I’m sexist for the piggy part of my url and I laughed and scrolled but then scrolled back cause I remembered I had a lil somethin somethin that might be relevant.
The title of this blog refers to these tweets (not fatshaming a thin woman) that were the cause of me unfollowing her (how did you think I found all these in the first place, duh). If this isn’t acting like a misogynistic pig I don’t know what is. Let’s be real, azaleans (is that a type of enemy alien race?) do anything to excuse her behavior cause she’s a white woman doing black music with a body and mannerisms typically associated with black women. She’s pear shaped with a “fat” ass. Black girls with literally the same measurements are called ghetto and shamed for their curves. She raps like a non archival photo copied T.I., southern twang and all, but since she’s actually Australian and white her stans are okay with it cause once the mic drops she has an ~exotic accent~ and ~cute voice.~ Her use of misogynistic slurs to put down other women and build up herself are in your twitter bio cause it’s so swaggy hunty gurl spill that fancy tea!!! But when Beyonce, Lil Kim, Nicki Minaj, Trina, or any black female artist (who im not saying are without flaws) talks about “slaying hos” and how bitches should bow down, it’s suddenly a problem that requires full length articles in actual publications and countless tumblr posts. Like Miley Cyrus, she’s used black women as props and until recently had exclusively black dancers who twerked the **** out on a hand stand, doin that thang while she stood there and occasionally gave a D- booty shake that the crowd still went off for more than the actual pros popping their pussies off the damn ceiling and filling me with the holy spirit. Do us all a favor and accept you’re excusing her being a careless racist because of her appearance. You can still wanna lick her pussy, bop to her white girl anthems or have your body tied to a carriage and dragged by Brad Pitt like Eric Bana in Troy just to reach that ass. But be real and quit denying that what she’s said is okay by anything but Donald Sterling’s standards. As Paul Mooney once said, “Everybody wants to be a *****, but nobody wants to be a *****." She’s a low quality xerox of black female rappers and white America couldn’t wait so they didn’t have to bop to actual hip hop anymore from the people who created it.

And for the 956 messages calling me a hater, a hater is someone who reads with no resume and critiques with no credentials. I have more degrees than a thermometer. I don’t know what bullet-less gun y’all were holding when you thought you had a shot at rationalizing these “jokes” when they’re not hot, not even lukewarm. Now run and tell that.

and have a lovely evening! xxx
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[Me. I Am Salman]

oh I see no one cares

[Saph]

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[Shaun]

i saw that blog a few days ago and thought it was a bit farfetched

[Marsh.]

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