Our TV shows are far too white

[Crimson Dynamo]

says Lenny Henry. DO you agree?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2011/11/23/1322061892318/Lenny-Henry-National-Thea-007.jpg



Lenny Henry has criticised British TV programmes such as Broadchurch and Miranda for being 'too white'

Comedian and actor Lenny Henry launched a scathing attack on British TV hits including Broadchurch, Miranda and Midsomer Murders last night for being too white.

The 55-year-old criticised the shows for having fewer black actors than similar programmes in America, saying they were not representative of modern Britain.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2583068/Our-TV-shows-far-white-says-Lenny-Henry-Comedian-attacks-hit-shows-including-Broadchurch-Miranda.html#ixzz2wIiRPGID

[lostalex]

well i'm a white male, so i don't think i'm allowed to have an opinion. I'm sure he has a good reason for saying what he is saying, i just don't care.

honestly, i don't care.

good for him though, speaking out against whatever he's speaking out against.

[Cherie]

says Lenny Henry. DO you agree?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2011/11/23/1322061892318/Lenny-Henry-National-Thea-007.jpg


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Lenny Henry has criticised British TV programmes such as Broadchurch and Miranda for being 'too white'

Comedian and actor Lenny Henry launched a scathing attack on British TV hits including Broadchurch, Miranda and Midsomer Murders last night for being too white.

The 55-year-old criticised the shows for having fewer black actors than similar programmes in America, saying they were not representative of modern Britain.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2583068/Our-TV-shows-far-white-says-Lenny-Henry-Comedian-attacks-hit-shows-including-Broadchurch-Miranda.html#ixzz2wIiRPGID

Drive for an hour outside any big City in the UK and the programmes represent exactly what you will find, a very small percentage of the Black/Asian population.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think he forgets that the UK has about 3 % black people like LH. He should get out of LOndon more

[Cherie]

I think he forgets that the UK has about 3 % black people like LH. He should get out of LOndon more

indeed, he seems to come out with comments like this once a year, ie just before Sports or Comic relief.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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:laugh2:

[lostalex]

to be fair, i wouldn't like to live in a country where i was the racial minority. I'm glad i don't have to.

I'm gay, but i don't expect to see an equal amount of gay relationships on TV, i know that i'm the minority, and it would be weird if the TV portrayed a world where gay relationships were just as common as straight relationships. It would be nice if they portrayed more realistic gay relationships in stead of the clownish stereotypical gay men that Tv shows usually use to represent gay men, but still, i don't for one second ever expect to see just as many gay men on Tv as straight men,

that being said, i'm a white male, so at;least i get to see a lot of white males on TV all the time, so it's not exactly the same.

[Crimson Dynamo]

to be fair, i wouldn't like to live in a country where i was the racial minority. I'm glad i don't have to.

I'm gay, but i don't expect to see an equal amount of gay relationships on TV, i know that i'm the minority, and it would be weird if the TV portrayed a world where gay relationships were just as common as straight relationships.

that being said, i'm a white male, so at;least i get to see a lot of white males on TV all the time, so it's not exactly the same.

With a gay population of around 5% in the UK the soaps for example have been way way over representative in the last 20 years.

[lostalex]

With a gay population of around 5% in the UK the soaps for example have been way way over representative in the last 20 years.

UK soaps are for hetero women though, not for gay men. so you can't blame us for that.

lesbians in straight porno for straight guys, and gay men in straight soaps for hetero women, neither are really about gay people at all...

that's just fetishizing gay people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

UK soaps are for hetero women though, not for gay men. so you can't blame us for that.

lesbians in straight porno for straight guys, and gay men in straight soaps for hetero women, neither are really about gay people at all...

True, its about ratings than progress

[MTVN]

Wasn't it the Midsomer Murders producer who said the cast in that needed to be all white because it was a last bastion of Englishness

That was pretty dumb, though it's true that most more rural locations are overwhelmingly white

[Me. I Am Salman]

I think it's fine

[Cherie]

Wasn't it the Midsomer Murders producer who said the cast in that needed to be all white because it was a last bastion of Englishness

That was pretty dumb, though it's true that most more rural locations are overwhelmingly white

.

[Kizzy]

I can see his point with corrers or eastenders, but as said the others are representative of the community.

[arista]

Yes Lenny.
they are not letting enough black actors to get a role.
But many Top Black British Actors are now on USA TV shows
like on Chicago Fire on SkyLivingHD (UK Weds 8PM)
http://www.trbimg.com/img-506b9b51/turbine/chi-20121002-002/600/600x395

[Loukas]

EE should have more black people in the show, in East London the population is like half black people! TV in general needs more black actors/actress' i agree!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would imagine black actors go to the states because there are more black people and as such more roles.

[Shaun]

Honestly if it means less Lenny Henry on TV I'm all for ethnic cleansing.

[Nedusa]

Drive for an hour outside any big City in the UK and the programmes represent exactly what you will find, a very small percentage of the Black/Asian population.

I have to agree these programmes are set in rural areas and in time periods where the majority of the people living there would be white so I can't see a problem.

To put additional black people into programmes like these would not be a true reflection of life in these areas.

On a related note however I feel mainstream soap operas like Eastenders and Coronation St do not reflect the racial mix of people living in our cities. I feel there are at best only "token" black and/or Asian families in these soaps thus also not portraying a true reflection of life in the inner cities.

[Vicky.]

OK...isn't the black population far higher in america than the UK? I think tv shows (outside of eastenders/london based shows where whites should pretty much be a minority if we are honest) are fairly representative.

[Cherie]

Unfortunately for Lenny and his "controversy" he has picked TV programmes that are set in Twee villages in Shropshire (or similar) and he wants them peopled with black families. Stick to advertising the Premier Inn Lenny would be my advice.

[arista]

Unfortunately for Lenny and his "controversy" he has picked TV programmes that are set in Twee village in Shropshire (or similar) and he wants them peopled with black families. Stick to advertising the Premier Inn Lenny would be my advice.


Yes he gets big money on that deal

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes he gets big money on that deal

I heard he got a one off payment of £456.19

jammy bugger:shocked:

[Marsh.]

Tv shows are fairly representative I would say.

Isn't it a bit like going to Africa and whinging "Where are all the white people, this isn't fair?"

We're a predominantly white country so what does he expect? Fair enough if he wants more shows with black leads or whatever but picking out shows like Miranda (with about 4 or 5 characters) is a bit pathetic. Do we need at least one black character in every show to make him happy.

[smeagol]

Lenny who. the guy who has never been funny. he must be short of attention

what a load of crap.

what year is this sometimes i wonder what some of these twats are on did he just watch 12 years a slave and think its a different century lol.

[InOne]

I'm sure we had this same thread about a year ago

[Saph]

they havent watched flavor of love

http://i.imgur.com/PI0Q6Iz.gif

[Cherie]

I'm sure we had this same thread about a year ago

I think so too, just before Comic Relief!

[arista]

I'm sure we had this same thread about a year ago


No this is Today
in the DM.


Dear old Lenny having Yet Again
a moan

[InOne]

I think so too, just before Comic Relief!

Bloody sport relief and now comic relief :idc:


I know they're charities and what not but if anyone watched that 'The trouble with aid' documentary on BBC4 a while ago they'd see exactly where the money does or doesn't go.

[user104658]

Drive for an hour outside any big City in the UK and the programmes represent exactly what you will find, a very small percentage of the Black/Asian population.

This. He needs to get out of London more. I'm not saying I have any problem with other ethnicities in TV shows and, in fact, if we're talking London-centric shows (EastEnders especially is ... unrealistic ... ) then yes there probably isn't enough ethnic diversity. But trying to suggest that shows set outside of major cities (or even within most major cities further north) should feature a higher %age of other ethnicities is just... inaccurate?

Like "Token" in South Park. The joke being that they know fine well that it's unlikely that there would be a black family in a small Colorado mountain town, but they "have to" include one for the sake of diversity.

[lostalex]

I'm sure we had this same thread about a year ago

how did that one end? save us the suspense.

[GiRTh]

they havent watched flavor of love

http://i.imgur.com/PI0Q6Iz.gif:joker:

[InOne]

how did that one end? save us the suspense.

Tragically like most threads on here

[Jarrod]

We're doing this in Sociology at the moment like how there is a lack of Ethnic Minority in TV in Britain. He's right though, if you look at soap operas for example - the amount of Ethnic Minority people that appear in Coronation Street, there's hardly any for a soap that's supposed to be set in a very multi-cultural area.

[MTVN]

Corrie's not set in anywhere near as multicultural an area as Eastenders is tbf

[lostalex]

so basically, there's a lot of white people in Britain, get over it.

[Marsh.]

so basically, there's a lot of white people in Britain, get over it.

Exactly.

It's like going to Africa and whinging about the lack of white people. People are far too touchy.

[Benjamin]

Honestly if it means less Lenny Henry on TV I'm all for ethnic cleansing.

:joker:

[Vicky.]

Is it not worse, to cast someone solely because they are a minority? Or to specifically write in parts that wouldn't be there otherwise just to get the token minority on the show? Really...I think thats just as bad :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Is it not worse, to cast someone solely because they are a minority? Or to specifically write in parts that wouldn't be there otherwise just to get the token minority on the show? Really...I think thats just as bad :shrug:

Exactly. Positive discrimination they call it.

[Jarrod]

I'm just quoting the OCR textbook here don't shoot me.

[Z]

Awkwardly slotting in ethnic minorities into programs where they really don't belong is dumb in my opinion. Adding in a character whose origins are for example from the Indian subcontinent into a period drama set in, I dunno, Britain in the 1700s, would be unrealistic because while there may well have been some people from that part of the world living in Britain at that time, that's not what people think of when they think of that period of time in Britain. I agree that programs set in London should be representative of what London is actually like and not just having token Asian families or Afro-Caribbean families just to pacify people. Have multicultural families and relationships and storylines that don't revolve around their multicultural-ness. Shoehorning it in is phony and not true to life. So while I can see his point and to some extent agree with him, I think what he's saying only applies to certain programs. When I lived in Germany I was friends with a white girl from the Scottish borders and a black girl from London. The white girl said that she'd never actually met a black person until she went to university and had never been friends with anyone who wasn't white until she'd met the black girl from London. Of course she hasn't! She lives in a rural part of the country that isn't very likely to have any kind of immigration.

[the truth]

theyre too upper class too dominated by the oxbridge posh boys....I dont find these posh boys like stephen fry remotely funny...in fact his trips around america found him to be very narrow minded little englander mocking the yanks at every turn and playing to the english audience....i prefer working class funny men and women who relate to the man on the street, who have real life experiences which we can all relate too....I loved dave allen, jasper carrott, billy connolly, lee evans, jack dee, dylan moran, then the yanks and jewish comics take over....as for lenny henry hes just peeved because hes not particularly funny

[the truth]

We're doing this in Sociology at the moment like how there is a lack of Ethnic Minority in TV in Britain. He's right though, if you look at soap operas for example - the amount of Ethnic Minority people that appear in Coronation Street, there's hardly any for a soap that's supposed to be set in a very multi-cultural area.

what about regional accents? how many irish in eastenders, how many welsh in coronation street...what about disabled? how many in any of these daily shows? theyre masisvely under represented way way way way way way way way moreso than black people or anyone else

[Marsh.]

what about regional accents? how many irish in eastenders, how many welsh in coronation street...what about disabled? how many in any of these daily shows? theyre masisvely under represented way way way way way way way way moreso than black people or anyone else

That's like saying "where's all the german accents?".

Put a German show on. If you want Welsh accents then watch welsh TV.

[the truth]

That's like saying "where's all the german accents?".

Put a German show on. If you want Welsh accents then watch welsh TV.

no its not. we all belong to the same country. your point is utter nonsense

[Marsh.]

no its not. we all belong to the same country. your point is utter nonsense

I think you'll find Wales and England are separate countries.

What I'm saying is that if you have a show set in Manchester then you're not going to get a big "representation" of Welsh or Irish accents.

[the truth]

I think you'll find Wales and England are separate countries.

What I'm saying is that if you have a show set in Manchester then you're not going to get a big "representation" of Welsh or Irish accents.

theres millions in london too lol
they and the disabled and even the millions of saffers, aussies, kiwis, etc etc etc are way under represented in these tedious soaps.

[MTVN]

Corrie has got a girl in a wheelchair

[Marsh.]

theres millions in london too lol
they and the disabled and even the millions of saffers, aussies, kiwis, etc etc etc are way under represented in these tedious soaps.

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Corrie has got a girl in a wheelchair

There are millions of people in wheelchairs.

The entire cast of Corrie should be disabled. :mad:

[the truth]

Corrie has got a girl in a wheelchair

wow shes about the only 1 ive seen in the soaps in decades. pathetic under representation

[the truth]

There are millions of people in wheelchairs.

The entire cast of Corrie should be disabled. :mad:

and now you lose the argument

[Marsh.]

wow shes about the only 1 ive seen in the soaps in decades. pathetic under representation

There was a man in a wheelchair in EE last year. There's also a blind woman in ED.

How many disabled people do you know who all live in the same street/village?

[Benjamin]

what about regional accents? how many irish in eastenders, how many welsh in coronation street...what about disabled? how many in any of these daily shows? theyre masisvely under represented way way way way way way way way moreso than black people or anyone else

Fair comment.

[Vicky.]

I do think disabled people are under-represented. But again, should shows write in a disabled person just to be PC? I dont know tbh

[MTVN]

wow shes about the only 1 ive seen in the soaps in decades. pathetic under representation

You a Corrie fan truth?

[Kizzy]

Worst is EE, nothing remotely cultural about both black families in that, Masood used to be muslim.. now he drinks, smokes farts and sleeps around like Ian Beale! :/

[the truth]

There was a man in a wheelchair in EE last year. There's also a blind woman in ED.

How many disabled people do you know who all live in the same street/village?

zillions more than the soaps represent.....theyve never even had a wheelchair in the ubder liberal big brother...bunch of hypocrites

[Vicky.]

Apparently 8% of our population has a physical disability. I never knew it was that high...even in day to day life I don't see many wheelchairs or anything at all :/

[the truth]

Apparently 8% of our population has a physical disability. I never knew it was that high...even in day to day life I don't see many wheelchairs or anything at all :/

yeap and is it 8% in parliament or in tv shows, soaps, movies, jobs? etc they cant even get into buildings let alone jobs and tv shows.....but lets ignore that and talk about the poor women who cant get on £5 notes .........ffs

[Jack_]

^ discrimination isn't a competition, you know

[Marsh.]

zillions more than the soaps represent.....theyve never even had a wheelchair in the ubder liberal big brother...bunch of hypocrites

Zillions of wheelchair users live on the same street? Really?

Also "disability" is more than wheelchairs. There are millions of people with "invisible" disabilities.

[Marsh.]

Worst is EE, nothing remotely cultural about both black families in that, Masood used to be muslim.. now he drinks, smokes farts and sleeps around like Ian Beale! :/

I don't think Masood was ever truly religious though. He never prayed or anything, he just kept to certain Muslim "rules" for the sake of Zainab.

[the truth]

Zillions of wheelchair users live on the same street? Really?

Also "disability" is more than wheelchairs. There are millions of people with "invisible" disabilities.

and theyre all way more under represented than black people or any other minority yet nothing seems to be said or done about it, so your point is?

[Marsh.]

and theyre all under represented so your point is?

You said they're under represented on the soaps, I mentioned EE, Corrie and ED all having one which you said is underrepresentation.

I asked "How many disabled people all live in close proximity on the same street?" You said "zillions more than on the soaps".

[Vicky.]

yeap and is it 8% in parliament or in tv shows, soaps, movies, jobs? etc they cant even get into buildings let alone jobs and tv shows.....but lets ignore that and talk about the poor women who cant get on £5 notes .........ffs

What? :umm2:

[Marsh.]

and theyre all way more under represented than black people or any other minority yet nothing seems to be said or done about it, so your point is?

Zillions of disabled people don't all live on the same street (where soaps are set, in one area).

But don't let that stop you from jumping from one thing to another and responding with an opinion on something separate from the post I responded to where you then have to ask what the point is.

Whether disabled people are under represented or not, does not take anything away from other people who are under represented. As another person said, it's not a competition.

[Marsh.]

What? :umm2:

:laugh: He jumps from one thing to another, impossible to converse with someone like that.

[Vicky.]

Honestly do not know anything about this five pound note thing. Totally stumped me there :joker:

[the truth]

Zillions of disabled people don't all live on the same street (where soaps are set, in one area).

But don't let that stop you from jumping from one thing to another and responding with an opinion on something separate from the post I responded to where you then have to ask what the point is.

Whether disabled people are under represented or not, does not take anything away from other people who are under represented. As another person said, it's not a competition.

it is a competition....there is limited money and limited media space to promote the discrimination agsinst all groups.....it seems almost infinitely more time , money , respurces and media headlines are devoted to issues egaridng women , gay rights and black people, than disabled people. the fact there is a disgustingly low % of disabled people represented in all walks of society and on tv is a visual illustration of how pathetically under-represented and under support and encouraged the disabled people are

[Marsh.]

it is a competition....

:facepalm:

You make some valid points. My brother is disabled and I completely agree with some of what you say. But you don't half make it hard by throwing in a load of rubbish to balance it out.

[the truth]

Honestly do not know anything about this five pound note thing. Totally stumped me there :joker:

seriously? you havent hear dof radical feminist groups demanding more women be represented on our notes? its made the bbc main news dozens of times.....a story which has had more bbc main news coverage than the tens of thousands who die of clots in nhs hospitals.....you may not see the direct link, there is direct competition every day over what makes the news.....for some reason this trivial feminist nonsense is seen as more important than matters of life and death by those radical liberals who control the news agendas....what chance do the disabled have eh?

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'm sure we had this same thread about a year ago

you're thinking about the poster who made a thread complaining about eastenders focusing too much on white characters, that was a month ago

[sassysocks]

Honestly do not know anything about this five pound note thing. Totally stumped me there :joker:

Just another dig at women and how he thinks too much time is given to female concerns. He is going to give himself a heart attack over it if he isn't careful.

[Vicky.]

seriously? you havent hear dof radical feminist groups demanding more women be represented on our notes? its made the bbc main news dozens of times.....a story which has had more bbc main news coverage than the tens of thousands who die of clots in nhs hospitals.....you may not see the direct link, there is direct competition every day over what makes the news.....for some reason this trivial feminist nonsense is seen as more important than matters of life and death by those radical liberals who control the news agendas....what chance do the disabled have eh?

Nope...I actually know so little about notes that I thought the queen was on the majority of them until you said that and I googled..can't say its anything I have paid attention to in the past :laugh:

[Marsh.]

seriously? you havent hear dof radical feminist groups demanding more women be represented on our notes? its made the bbc main news dozens of times.....a story which has had more bbc main news coverage than the tens of thousands who die of clots in nhs hospitals.....you may not see the direct link, there is direct competition every day over what makes the news.....for some reason this trivial feminist nonsense is seen as more important than matters of life and death by those radical liberals who control the news agendas....what chance do the disabled have eh?

That's like saying that because people are dying from easily curable illnesses in other parts of the world that we shouldn't dare complain about the level of medical care in our own country because it's still a million miles ahead of elsewhere.

That's not how things work and is incredibly simplistic.

[the truth]

:facepalm:

You make some valid points. My brother is disabled and I completely agree with some of what you say. But you don't half make it hard by throwing in a load of rubbish to balance it out.

everyting Ive said I back 100%. we brits are incapable of having a broader conversation that encompases several inter related subjects. we always resort to our default position of mockery and scorn. were a sad nation that hides behind an invisible blanket of superiority and intelligence. yet our political leaders spend most of their lives having a conversation about a conversation. already ive probably lost you. so lets keep it simple. the disabled are more under represented in every sector by an enormous distance and its gotten worse in recent years.

[the truth]

That's like saying that because people are dying from easily curable illnesses in other parts of the world that we shouldn't dare complain about the level of medical care in our own country because it's still a million miles ahead of elsewhere.

That's not how things work and is incredibly simplistic.

no its not like saying that at all. one minute you accuse me of covering too many subjects and changing the subect now Im being too simplistic. either way your goal is to win a small argument with me, my goal is bigger much bigger. I want people to look at the bigger picture beyond the liberal news agenda that brainwashes so many. if that means you beta me in an arguemtn, so be it. Ill happily run naked across TIBB and make a total tw*t of myself. Id sacrifice myself at the alter of ;liberalism if it achieves the goal of forcing people to look at different angles

[the truth]

Nope...I actually know so little about notes that I thought the queen was on the majority of them until you said that and I googled..can't say its anything I have paid attention to in the past :laugh:

youre lucky you avoided it. if youre bored check it up , the story has been regurgitated endlesly....in the list of uks priorities id say this shouldnt make the top 1 million list of priorities. but heyho the equal opportunists only want it for their groups

[Marsh.]

everyting Ive said I back 100%. we brits are incapable of having a broader conversation that encompases several inter related subjects. we always resort to our default position of mockery and scorn. were a sad nation that hides behind an invisible blanket of superiority and intelligence. yet our political leaders spend most of their lives having a conversation about a conversation.

That's not the problem here. It's about you coming into a thread about ethnic representation and insisting it's not as important as disabled representation.

You're the one incapable of a conversation because everything is a competition. Only your views and the subjects you care about matter, sod everyone else.

already ive probably lost you. so lets keep it simple. the disabled are more under represented in every sector by an enormous distance and its gotten worse in recent years.

I already understand this. Do not patronise me.
The point I'm making, which you yourself seem to have missed is that the disabled being more under represented does not cancel out those other groups of society.

You whinge about the disabled being ignored but are then going on to diminish the ignorance thrown at other sections of people.

[Marsh.]

no its not like saying that at all. one minute you accuse me of covering too many subjects and changing the subect now Im being too simplistic. either way your goal is to win a small argument with me, my goal is bigger much bigger. I want people to look at the bigger picture beyond the liberal news agenda that brainwashes so many. if that means you beta me in an arguemtn, so be it. Ill happily run naked across TIBB and make a total tw*t of myself. Id sacrifice myself at the alter of ;liberalism if it achieves the goal of forcing people to look at different angles

No, I meant you're approaching this "bigger picture" with very simplistic views on it.

You're throwing very different thing in one pot and simplifying how they come together.

That's not how it works.

[the truth]

No, I meant you're approaching this "bigger picture" with very simplistic views on it.

You're throwing very different thing in one pot and simplifying how they come together.

That's not how it works.

It is exactly how it works. you explain to me your view of how it works

[Vicky.]

youre lucky you avoided it. if youre bored check it up , the story has been regurgitated endlesly....in the list of uks priorities id say this shouldnt make the top 1 million list of priorities. but heyho the equal opportunists only want it for their groups

Just searched. Seems the problem was having NO women on bank notes after the fiver switched to Winston Churchill. Personally I still feel thats pretty trivial though...but different things matter to different people I guess :shrug:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/we-need-women-on-british-banknotes

Never realised these change.org petitions actually worked...

[the truth]

That's not the problem here. It's about you coming into a thread about ethnic representation and insisting it's not as important as disabled representation.

You're the one incapable of a conversation because everything is a competition. Only your views and the subjects you care about matter, sod everyone else.

Im changing the narrative. we are always talking about the worng things. black people are not under represented , especially not in tv soaps. endless other groups are under represented and Im right to draw attention to this fact. the fact is black groups and fmeinist groups have greater funding far greater and therefore have more power and wealth to afford to be able to get into the news and media. this pushes off other minorities off the front pages. im here on my lonesome trying to rebalance these issues. yet instead of fighting the power you fight me? one man alone giving up his spare time? thats like riding a tsunami to drown a japanese tourist....trying saving the tourist and fight against the tides

[Marsh.]

It is exactly how it works. you explain to me your view of how it works

Claiming this is more important than that. Tit for tat.

Everyone has different priorities and are well justified for having them.

It's not as simple as you dictating which piece of news is more important than another. The situation in Syria is more news worthy than underrepresentation of people in soap operas, but that doesn't mean the latter subject is not worth talking about.

[the truth]

Just searched. Seems the problem was having NO women on bank notes after the fiver switched to Winston Churchill. Personally I still feel thats pretty trivial though...but different things matter to different people I guess :shrug:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/we-need-women-on-british-banknotes

Never realised these change.org petitions actually worked...

yep its hard more coverage than the deaths of thousands

[Kizzy]

seriously? you havent hear dof radical feminist groups demanding more women be represented on our notes? its made the bbc main news dozens of times.....a story which has had more bbc main news coverage than the tens of thousands who die of clots in nhs hospitals.....you may not see the direct link, there is direct competition every day over what makes the news.....for some reason this trivial feminist nonsense is seen as more important than matters of life and death by those radical liberals who control the news agendas....what chance do the disabled have eh?

http://i.imgur.com/aAejIMH.png?1

[Marsh.]

I like your style kizzy. :joker:

[Vicky.]

yep its hard more coverage than the deaths of thousands

So have loads of things though...thousands die every minute but we don't hear about it.

[the truth]

Claiming this is more important than that. Tit for tat.

Everyone has different priorities and are well justified for having them.

It's not as simple as you dictating which piece of news is more important than another. The situation in Syria is more news worthy than underrepresentation of people in soap operas, but that doesn't mean the latter subject is not worth talking about.

you have provided nothing that backs up your claims of you udnerstanding this as so complex a matter than Ive described. I feel ive contributed more to this thread and all youve tried to do is attack me instead of contributing. the under representation of the disabled in every single sector of society especially parliament is a disgrace. the lack of coverage highlighting ithis is even more disturbing.

[InOne]

you're thinking about the poster who made a thread complaining about eastenders focusing too much on white characters, that was a month ago

No. It was one in here.

[the truth]

So have loads of things though...thousands die every minute but we don't hear about it.

yeah were too bust talking about important stuff like women on bank notes, david beckhams hair cut kate middletons weight....were pathetic

[the truth]

http://i.imgur.com/aAejIMH.png?1

is he in a wheelchair?

[Marsh.]

you have provided nothing that backs up your claims of you udnerstanding this as so complex a matter than Ive described. I feel ive contributed more to this thread and all youve tried to do is attack me instead of contributing. the under representation of the disabled in every single sector of society especially parliament is a disgrace. the lack of coverage highlighting ithis is even more disturbing.

I've not attacked you at all. Don't make yourself a victim.

Back up my claims of understanding? :conf: I'm giving my opinion and comment on yours. Do I need quotes from David Cameron to verify my opinions?

[Marsh.]

yeah were too bust talking about important stuff like women on bank notes, david beckhams hair cut kate middletons weight....were pathetic

You're too busy sat in your home, on your expensive computer, on a Big Brother forum when people on the other side of the world are starving to death.

You see how it works?

[the truth]

You're too busy sat in your home, on your expensive computer, on a Big Brother forum when people on the other side of the world are starving to death.

You see how it works?

you tell me how you think it works. instead of innane riddles. everyone has choices and theres always an opportunity lost for everything we choose to do. you have systematiclaly failed to address any of my issues raised in this thread. instead youve chosen the easier route attatck the messenger not the message

[Vicky.]

yeah were too bust talking about important stuff like women on bank notes, david beckhams hair cut kate middletons weight....were pathetic

My point was more along the lines of pretty much everything thats on our news is trivial if you compare it to other things going on in the world. I mean, this thousands dying of blood clots thing that you keep going on about...many more thousands die of starvation in africa every minute. Under-representation of disabled people on tv...who cares..100 or so hate crimes are commited against the disabled everyday..you see where I am going with this?

The news just sells us what the viewers want basically (in my case I tend to not be interested in much on the news at all as its either doom and gloom, or things I dont care about at all most of the time :laugh: ) or what they can spin into a 'shocking' story :shrug:

[Marsh.]

you tell me how you think it works. instead of innane riddles. everyone has choices and theres always an opportunity lost for everything we choose to do. you have systematiclaly failed to address any of my issues raised in this thread. instead youve chosen the easier route attatck the messenger not the message

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm showing you the flaw in your logic.

We can't discuss trivial matters or anything because of this or that is as silly as us not being allowed to enjoy the luxuries we are fortunate to have because in another part of the world people are dying through not having the things that we are blessed to have.

Tit for tat doesn't work for anything. It certainly is not a competition. One issue does not cancel out another.

Just because disabled people face a challenge does not diminish the issues faced by ethnic minorities.

There is no riddle in what I'm saying. It's straight forward.

[the truth]

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm showing you the flaw in your logic.

We can't discuss trivial matters or anything because of this or that is as silly as us not being allowed to enjoy the luxuries we are fortunate to have because in another part of the world people are dying through not having the things that we are blessed to have.

Tit for tat doesn't work for anything. It certainly is not a competition. One issue does not cancel out another.

Just because disabled people face a challenge does not diminish the issues faced by ethnic minorities.

There is no riddle in what I'm saying. It's straight forward.

theres no flaw whatsoever im changing the narrative, it really is simple Im surpirised you cant see that. yes it does diminish the struggles of other minorities in the same country, because the struggles of the disabled are greater and far less funded and get far less coverage. theyre in direct competition. and we ignore them because theyre powerless to fight their corner

[Marsh.]

theres no flaw whatsoever im changing the narrative,

Yeah, you can say that again.

[the truth]

My point was more along the lines of pretty much everything thats on our news is trivial if you compare it to other things going on in the world. I mean, this thousands dying of blood clots thing that you keep going on about...many more thousands die of starvation in africa every minute. Under-representation of disabled people on tv...who cares..100 or so hate crimes are commited against the disabled everyday..you see where I am going with this?

The news just sells us what the viewers want basically (in my case I tend to not be interested in much on the news at all as its either doom and gloom, or things I dont care about at all most of the time :laugh: ) or what they can spin into a 'shocking' story :shrug:

we shouldnt have to put up with the trivial drivel peddled by feminist and black interest groups. just like some who abuse their power on the muslim council. lets change the narrative and lets raise the profile and issues of those who are scandalously overlooked under funded and under represented. i.e. the disabled, the sick, the elderly. their struggles are infinitely worse and they are in direct competition with these other so called minorities for fudning for power for attention for support and media coverage

[the truth]

Yeah, you can say that again.

someone has to say it

[Marsh.]

we shouldnt have to put up with the trivial drivel peddled by feminist and black interest groups. just like some who abuse their power on the muslim council.

Sexist and racist issues are not trivial.

[Vicky.]

we shouldnt have to put up with the trivial drivel peddled by feminist and black interest groups. just like some who abuse their power on the muslim council.

Thats what you got from my post? :S

[sassysocks]

seriously? you havent hear dof radical feminist groups demanding more women be represented on our notes? its made the bbc main news dozens of times.....a story which has had more bbc main news coverage than the tens of thousands who die of clots in nhs hospitals.....you may not see the direct link, there is direct competition every day over what makes the news.....for some reason this trivial feminist nonsense is seen as more important than matters of life and death by those radical liberals who control the news agendas....what chance do the disabled have eh?

The problems in the NHS are reported on news programmes on a regular basis and will continue to be, they are hardly ignored. Indeed if it weren't for the valable contribution of highly educated and skilled female doctors and nurses, it would be in a much worse state. You seem to blame women for all the ills of society - it really is becoming very boring, as it makes absolutely no sense.

Why shouldn't over 50% of the population of this country have a right to be represented on one of the nation's banknotes - it certainly deserves as much right to some airtime as anything else. There is nothing trivial about it as women bring in hugh amounts of money to our economy and deserve recogniton for it, why do you have such a problem with that?

You may consider female equality trivial but at least 50% of the population do not - you are in the minority. Many people consider religion trivial as it is based on belief rather than fact, unlike the contribution women make to society, the nhs and the success of this country. Religion has also been responsible for countless wars and the pointless deaths of millions, what a waste. Your rantings are just that - pointless, opinionated rantings.

[the truth]

Sexist and racist issues are not trivial.

many are very trivial in this country, especially compared to matters of life and death and serious health issues.

[Marsh.]

Thats what you got from my post? :S

I'm sure he's on a wind up.

[Marsh.]

many are very trivial in this country, especially compared to matters of life and death and serious health issues.

Everything is trivial compared to life and death.

But that doesn't mean we can't discuss or do anything because people are dying.

Again, this tit for tat does not work. People die everyday.

[the truth]

The problems in the NHS are reported on news programmes on a regular basis and will continue to be, they are hardly ignored. Indeed if it weren't for the valable contribution of highly educated and skilled female doctors and nurses, it would be in a much worse state. You seem to blame women for all the ills of society - it really is becoming very boring, as it makes absolutely no sense.

Why shouldn't over 50% of the population of this country have a right to be represented on one of the nation's banknotes - it certainly deserves as much right to some airtime as anything else. There is nothing trivial about it as women bring in hugh amounts of money to our economy and deserve recogniton for it, why do you have such a problem with that?

You may consider female equality trivial but at least 50% of the population do not - you are in the minority. Many people consider religion trivial as it is based on belief rather than fact, unlike the contribution women make to society, the nhs and the success of this country. Your rantings are just that - pointless, opinionated rantings.

its had more headlines than the deaths of 100s of thousands of innocents in nhs hospitals from undiagnosed blood clots that they developed whilst in hospital....so you think its right our news spends more time and resources reporting on women on bank notes than the avoidable DEATHS OF hundreds of thousands? you call that intelligent moral prioritising of issues?

[the truth]

Everything is trivial compared to life and death.

But that doesn't mean we can't discuss or do anything because people are dying.

Again, this tit for tat does not work. People die everyday.

it should mean these serious matters get way way way more headlines, media coverage, funding than the petty complaints of these vested interests. Im amazed you cant see that. you probably can but of your your ego says you have to try beat me instead

[the truth]

I'm sure he's on a wind up.

no thats your job

[Marsh.]

The news hasn't spent more time and resources on that. I for one watch the news regularly and this thread is the first time I've heard about this bank note story.

So clearly, it's prominent to you because it's something you don't care about or actively hate. To the rest of the world it was one news story of many. And just like the many other news stories it has every right to be reported on.

Or maybe you watch too much rolling news.

[Marsh.]

it should mean these serious matters get way way way more headlines, media coverage, funding than the petty complaints of these vested interests. Im amazed you cant see that. you probably can but of your your ego says you have to try beat me instead

Situations of life and death get the big headlines every single day. Does every single one of them make it into the news? No, that's impossible.

Does it mean the life and death situations are priority and should saturate the news? No, we want a variety of all types of news. I for one don't want 90 page newspapers detailing all of the most depressing events in the world every day. It's not helpful and it's not needed.

BIB - No ego involved, I just sometimes can't believe the utter stupidity of some posts.

[Kizzy]

The bank note thingy is Jane Austin getting put on a tenner I think.

[Vicky.]

Basically if the news only reported on the most serious (ie. death..by your reckoning) things happening in the world..every headline would be '500k people die in africa today'. Every story would be along the lines of that too..just featuring different third world countries, possibly with a big earthquake or flood somewhere thrown in now and again for good effect.

[the truth]

The news hasn't spent more time and resources on that. I for one watch the news regularly and this thread is the first time I've heard about this bank note story.

So clearly, it's prominent to you because it's something you don't care about or actively hate. To the rest of the world it was one news story of many. And just like the many other news stories it has every right to be reported on.

its one of many utterly trivial issues relating to feminist groups as well as the rights of the supposedly under represented black people on tv...I bring up the fact other groups are under represented and you couldnt care less. as for the rest of the world, who are you to speak for them? bbc news is a joke with a radical liberal agenda.....weve gotten so crazy now we spend more money
investigating the perversions of a dead dj 30 years ago than the deaths of abused patients happening NOW. you see no correlation I see every
correlation. only 5 or 6 stories make the news. blood clots deaths of tens of thousands barely ever makes the news. the perversions of jimmy saville make it almost daily. who decides on why that story should get more attention every day? which story affects the public more seriously?

of course the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands isnt sexy news.....neither are disabled issues.

so why has no wheelchair ever entered the BB house? why are so few in soap operas ever? I seem to recall tanni grey thompson didnt even get a ramp when she won a few years ago? mercy were a stupid country

[the truth]

Situations of life and death get the big headlines every single day. Does every single one of them make it into the news? No, that's impossible.

Does it mean the life and death situations are priority and should saturate the news? No, we want a variety of all types of news. I for one don't want 90 page newspapers detailing all of the most depressing events in the world every day. It's not helpful and it's not needed.

BIB - No ego involved, I just sometimes can't believe the utter stupidity of some posts.

youve been reported for personal attacks, very poor show.

[the truth]

The news hasn't spent more time and resources on that. I for one watch the news regularly and this thread is the first time I've heard about this bank note story.

So clearly, it's prominent to you because it's something you don't care about or actively hate. To the rest of the world it was one news story of many. And just like the many other news stories it has every right to be reported on.

Or maybe you watch too much rolling news.

I dont believe you. its been on the news loads of times.

[Vicky.]

its one of many utterly trivial issues relating to feminist groups as well as the rights of the supposedly under represented black people on tv...I bring up the fact other groups are under represented and you couldnt care less. as for the rest of the world, who are you to speak for them? bbc news is a joke with a radical liberal agenda.....weve gotten so crazy now we spend more money
investigating the perversions of a dead dj 30 years ago than the deaths of abused patients happening NOW. you see no correlation I see every
correlation. only 5 or 6 stories make the news. blood clots deaths of tens of thousands barely ever makes the news. the perversions of jimmy saville make it almost daily. who decides on why that story should get more attention every day? which story affects the public more seriously?

of course the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands isnt sexy news.....neither are disabled issues.

so why has no wheelchair ever entered the BB house? why are so few in soap operas ever? I seem to recall tanni grey thompson didnt even get a ramp when she won a few years ago? mercy were a stupid country

And here lies the problem. People simply aren't interested in hearing about blood clots and such when theres such things as the Saville scandal floating about. Its sad but true.

Scandal sells more than real life. Look at the ****ing madeleine mccann rubbish thats STILL in todays papers, despite being 7 (?) years ago and thousands of kids going missing after her with no mention on the news.

[sassysocks]

its had more headlines than the deaths of 100s of thousands of innocents in nhs hospitals from undiagnosed blood clots that they developed whilst in hospital....so you think its right our news spends more time and resources reporting on women on bank notes than the avoidable DEATHS OF hundreds of thousands? you call that intelligent moral prioritising of issues?

How do you justify all the headlines and general airtime, wasted on religion then, a few headlines about banknotes wouldn't even touch that, not to mention the millions of deaths over the years in the name of religion?

Just think of the airtime we could give to all those supposed thousands dying from blood clots in nhs hospitals if we stopped reporting on any religious issues and conflicts.

[the truth]

And here lies the problem. People simply aren't interested in hearing about blood clots and such when theres such things as the Saville scandal floating about. Its sad but true.

Scandal sells more than real life. Look at the ****ing madeleine mccann rubbish thats STILL in todays papers, despite being 7 (?) years ago and thousands of kids going missing after her with no mention on the news.

bbc news shoudlnt be tabloid hysterical drivel. its always claimed to be better than that, sadly its standards slipped to the gutter years ago and Im right to point out that fact.

Id have had more respect for lenny henry if hed actually pointed out the fact the disabled are under represented on tv instead of plkaying the race card

[the truth]

How do you justify all the headlines and general airtime, wasted on religion then, a few headlines about banknotes wouldn't even touch that, not to mention the millions of deaths over the years in the name of religion?

Just think of the airtime we could give to all those supposed thousands dying from blood clots in nhs hospitals if we stopped reporting on any religious issues and conflicts.

religious issues? what do you mean? are you one of those who thinks wars are always over religion? when in fact theyre always over power, land , oil, wealth , control....religion is a mere tool...without which youve have just as many wars and even more disorder

[Marsh.]

its one of many utterly trivial issues relating to feminist groups as well as the rights of the supposedly under represented black people on tv...I bring up the fact other groups are under represented and you couldnt care less. as for the rest of the world, who are you to speak for them? bbc news is a joke with a radical liberal agenda.....weve gotten so crazy now we spend more money
investigating the perversions of a dead dj 30 years ago than the deaths of abused patients happening NOW. you see no correlation I see every
correlation. only 5 or 6 stories make the news. blood clots deaths of tens of thousands barely ever makes the news. the perversions of jimmy saville make it almost daily. who decides on why that story should get more attention every day? which story affects the public more seriously?

How many updates are made to the Jimmy Saville case compared to the others? You've got to factor in how much new information is uncovered moving forward.

I never said I couldn't care less about other under represented groups. :conf:
I said that under represented disabled people doesn't undermine issues faced by other groups. It's not a competition and they all have a right. You are the one undermining other groups by claiming issues faced by black people is "trivial".

Who said I'm "speaking for the rest of the world"? What on earth are you talking about? That has no relevance to anything I've posted.

You're either completely ignoring my point or taking the piss.


so why has no wheelchair ever entered the BB house? why are so few in soap operas ever? I seem to recall tanni grey thompson didnt even get a ramp when she won a few years ago? mercy were a stupid country

So someone should be brought into the BB House because they're in a wheelchair? Maybe all wheelchair bound people who auditioned weren't interesting enough people?

Disabled wise, plenty have been in the BB house. Why are you now differentiating between wheelchair users and other equally disabled people?

Also Coronation Street has one wheelchair user, why does there need to be more. It's a show that depicts the inhabitants of ONE street in the whole country.

How many more until they have hit the marker? One more? 10 more? What's the minimum requirement?

[Vicky.]

bbc news shoudlnt be tabloid hysterical drivel. its always claimed to be better than that, sadly its standards slipped to the gutter years ago and Im right to point out that fact.

Id have had more respect for lenny henry if hed actually pointed out the fact the disabled are under represented on tv instead of plkaying the race card

It is, and has been for years though. Its totally biased in reporting about most things too.

[sassysocks]

religious issues? what do you mean? are you one of those who thinks wars are always over religion? when in fact theyre always over power, land , oil, wealth , control....religion is a mere tool...without which youve have just as many wars and even more disorder

Most wars and conflicts, past and present, have been about religion and all the resulting hate with each group of religious zealots trying to get the upper hand over another. You may choose to ignore that because it doesn't fit with your own views, but facts are facts.

[Marsh.]

Most wars and conflicts, past and present, have been about religion and all the resulting hate with each group of religious zealots trying to get the upper hand over another. You may choose to ignore that because it doesn't fit with your own views, but facts are facts.

I think you'll find that religion is used as the excuse.

"Allah" "God" told them to do it. They are serving their God, it's what they would have wanted. It's the scape goat for deeper problems.

[Vicky.]

bbc news shoudlnt be tabloid hysterical drivel. its always claimed to be better than that, sadly its standards slipped to the gutter years ago and Im right to point out that fact.

Id have had more respect for lenny henry if hed actually pointed out the fact the disabled are under represented on tv instead of plkaying the race card
People are generally concerned about what affects THEM though. Thats just how the world works. Race affects him more than disability does, therefor to him, race is what he notices. Its a bit like how you seem to notice every little thing about women..its clearly a massive issue to you, whereas marsh claims not to have even noticed this story about bank notes on the news. I rarely watch news which is why I knew nothing of it...but I don't think its really fair to accuse him of lying about not noticing the apparent prevalence of that particular story :shrug:

[the truth]

Most wars and conflicts, past and present, have been about religion and all the resulting hate with each group of religious zealots trying to get the upper hand over another. You may choose to ignore that because it doesn't fit with your own views, but facts are facts.

99% wrong. first world war - monarchy and power

how many wars started by the monarchies? most of them
from the greeks the eqyptians the romans and beyond

british empire-monarchy land power
world war 2 monarchy , power, wealth, control
iraq war- oil money power control etc

blaming religion is as mindless as blaming a tree for producing sticks for spears
if you want to start the blame game, start with the monarchies. then look at human greed

[Marsh.]

I dont believe you. its been on the news loads of times.

I don't care. It's not really the point.

Why I'd pretend about such an issue is beyond me. :conf:

[the truth]

People are generally concerned about what affects THEM though. Thats just how the world works. Race affects him more than disability does, therefor to him, race is what he notices. Its a bit like how you seem to notice every little thing about women..its clearly a massive issue to you, whereas marsh claims not to have even noticed this story about bank notes on the news. I rarely watch news which is why I knew nothing of it...but I don't think its really fair to accuse him of lying about not noticing the apparent prevalence of that particular story :shrug:

no theyre not. jimmy saville wont affect any of us. but incompetend negligent nhs wards will affect us all , in fact it may kills us off

[Marsh.]

youve been reported for personal attacks, very poor show.

Oh, so you can be personal but I can't?

Hmm, I thought you supported the tit for tat mentality? Clearly not.

[the truth]

I don't care. It's not really the point.

Why I'd pretend about such an issue is beyond me. :conf:

you say you watch all news and never seen this...that doesnt add up 1) either you miss a lot of news or 2) you watched it but didnt concentrate its been on endlessly with this trivial nonsense whilst massively more british news stories go ignored such as those Ive highlighted

[the truth]

Oh, so you can be personal but I can't?

Hmm, I thought you supported the tit for tat mentality? Clearly not.

your abuse was direct. again you ignored the bigger issue and attacked me

[Marsh.]

you say you watch all news and never seen this...that doesnt add up

Well, I don't literally watch every minute of every news programme on TV nor do I read every word in every newspaper.

I watch the news regularly and I haven't seen it once.

[sassysocks]

I think you'll find that religion is used as the excuse.

"Allah" "God" told them to do it. They are serving their God, it's what they would have wanted. It's the scape goat for deeper problems.

Undoubtedly, but religion provides that excuse. And excuse or not, if the headlines ignored it all, there would be much more room for blood clots. :dance:

[Marsh.]

Undoubtedly, but religion provides that excuse. And excuse or not, if the headlines ignored it all, there would be much more room for blood clots. :dance:

Which means?

[Marsh.]

your abuse was direct.

Was it really? Apologies, I must have thought you were a woman.

[sassysocks]

99% wrong. first world war - monarchy and power

how many wars started by the monarchies? most of them
from the greeks the eqyptians the romans and beyond

british empire-monarchy land power
world war 2 monarchy , power, wealth, control
iraq war- oil money power control etc

blaming religion is as mindless as blaming a tree for producing sticks for spears
if you want to start the blame game, start with the monarchies. then look at human greed

Blaming women for everything is mindless, try looking a little closer to home if you want to get real.

[sassysocks]

Was it really? Apologies, I must have thought you were a woman.

Spot on!

[Vicky.]

no theyre not. jimmy saville wont affect any of us. but incompetend negligent nhs wards will affect us all , in fact it may kills us off

In news, stuff such as jimmy saville interest more people than endless stories about hospital wards (also feel the need to point out that despite not watching much news at all, I have actually seen/heard quite a lot about the NHS failing and such :shrug: ). Scandal sells more than everyday life. Look at Harold Shipman...he killed a few people, whereas many more will have died probably at the same hospital and werent mentioned..because the Shipman story was shocking..whereas people expect other deaths. Who is going to be interested in stories of people dying from blood clots, while there is a killer doctor on the loose?

However when someone gives an opinion on (or moans about) something..as Lenny did, it tends to be about things that personally affect them. In his case, race.

[Kizzy]

You haven't heard about the NHS failing vicky, you have heard about grossly underfunded mismanaged hospitals struggling.

[sassysocks]

Which means?

Without religion they would have to find something else to justify their actions - they might be hard-pressed to find something as 'easy' as religion. As religion is based on belief rather than fact, it makes it easier for all sides to take the moral high ground and spout their religious beliefs as justification for any wrongdoing.

[Vicky.]

You haven't heard about the NHS failing vicky, you have heard about grossly underfunded mismanaged hospitals struggling.

Well yeah but its dressed up by all the major news channels to be the failing NHS ;)

[sassysocks]

no theyre not. jimmy saville wont affect any of us. but incompetend negligent nhs wards will affect us all , in fact it may kills us off

If you actually knew anything about the situation in the NHS you would know that problems are largley to do with lack of funding which comes down to government. Clinical staff on most NHS wards are struggling trying to do the job of two, they do the best they can. They are over-worked and underpaid for what they do.

[Marsh.]

Without religion they would have to find something else to justify their actions - they might be hard-pressed to find something as 'easy' as religion. As religion is based on belief rather than fact, it makes it easier for all sides to take the moral high ground and spout their religious beliefs as justification for any wrongdoing.

Yes, but that doesn't put religion at the centre of their actions.

Do you think without religion they wouldn't go ahead with their actions? Yes, they certainly would.

So whether it's used as an excuse or not doesn't really scratch the surface of what's actually going on.

[Mystic Mock]

Shouldn't people get cast on the show that are actually good at the job? Black, white, or hell even orange.:joker:

I don't agree with an ethnic group getting jobs just because of the colour of their skin, they have to actually be suited for the job imo.

[Jack_]

What's all this about casting more people in wheelchairs? Eh? You do know that you don't just have to be in a wheelchair to be considered disabled, right?

Have you ever watched the Paralympics, or para-sport? You'd realise the broad spectrum of disability then...and I think those people have been represented in Big Brother certainly and soaps to an extent. There should be more disabled people on TV and in the media than there are at the minute yes, but all this about people in wheelchairs is nonsense :shrug: there's more to disability than a bloody wheelchair

[Marsh.]

Eh? You do know that you don't just have to be in a wheelchair to be considered disabled, right?

:worship:

The turn of conversation worried me too. Apparently the several disabled BB housemates don't count on his disabled radar because they don't use chairs.

[Jack_]

Someone with tourettes, a man that had his legs blown off during a war, a blind man and a partially deaf man...and there's been no representation of disability on Big Brother? :conf: what utter BS

[Jack_]

also LOL @ how they are all men :whistle:

[Mystic Mock]

What's all this about casting more people in wheelchairs? Eh? You do know that you don't just have to be in a wheelchair to be considered disabled, right?

Have you ever watched the Paralympics, or para-sport? You'd realise the broad spectrum of disability then...and I think those people have been represented in Big Brother certainly and soaps to an extent. There should be more disabled people on TV and in the media than there are at the minute yes, but all this about people in wheelchairs is nonsense :shrug: there's more to disability than a bloody wheelchair

If I'm correct Jack don't they have a Football section for blind people at the Paralympics? and god knows how many deaf people, wheelchair bound people, or god knows what other disabled people take part in the Paralympics so they're not that underrepresented.

And to The Truth, I agree with you on the NHS actually as they lied about what my Grandad died of 11 years ago soon to be 12 years ago which is strange, they are an incompetent Hospital that needs a lot more funding from the Government, otherwise anytime one of us get's a lethal illness like cancer we'll be 99.99% guaranteed to die from it. However where your point is going wrong is when you are trying to prioritize one view over another just because you like one group of people but don't like the other, imo everyone should be equal but obviously it will take time as you've got to help one group at a time, it's not so easy as to "oh we're gonna make disabled people equal today." It just doesn't work that way, a sad fact but it's true enough.

[Mystic Mock]

Someone with tourettes, a man that had his legs blown off during a war, a blind man and a partially deaf man...and there's been no representation of disability on Big Brother? :conf: what utter BS

Well with Steve from BB11 he was in a wheelchair going into the house wasn't he?

[Marsh.]

they are an incompetent Hospital that needs a lot more funding from the Government, otherwise anytime one of us get's a lethal illness like cancer we'll be 99.99% guaranteed to die from it.

:umm2:

[Cherie]

I'm sure we had this same thread about a year ago

how did that one end? save us the suspense.

Tragically like most threads on here

:joker: psychic InOne.

[the truth]

Someone with tourettes, a man that had his legs blown off during a war, a blind man and a partially deaf man...and there's been no representation of disability on Big Brother? :conf: what utter BS

no wheelchairs.....thats a pitiful sum total for a show thats been running umpteen years and is meant to be a champion of liberal UK and minorities......Id say thats a less than 0.1% record...when in fact theres millions of disabled people , possibly as many as 10 million if you include everything...thats 1 in 6 people. is 1 in 6 people on tv disabled? worst of all is parliament itself...Ive only ever seen 1 wheelchair and 1 blind man....and nothing is ever said about it...pathetic

[Marsh.]

no wheelchairs.....thats a pitiful sum total for a show thats been running umpteen years and is meant to be a champion of liberal UK and minorities......Id say thats a less than 0.1% record...when in fact theres millions of disabled people , possibly as many as 10 million if you include everything...thats 1 in 6 people. is 1 in 6 people on tv disabled? worst of all is parliament itself...Ive only ever seen 1 wheelchair and 1 blind man....and nothing is ever said about it...pathetic

Shush now.

Big Brother's a champion of liberal UK and minorities? No, it's a reality television show designed for entertainment purposes.

[Kyle]

I take it you will be picketing the armed forces for not having their fair share of people in wheelchairs on the front line if it's all about representation?

[the truth]

Shush now.

Big Brother's a champion of liberal UK and minorities? No, it's a reality television show designed for entertainment purposes.

nah you shush :pat:

[the truth]

I take it you will be picketing the armed forces for not having their fair share of people in wheelchairs on the front line if it's all about representation?

what a sick comment, duly reported

[Marsh.]

what a sick comment, duly reported

:fist:

[the truth]

:fist:

glad you agree with me

[Kyle]

what a sick comment, duly reported

Report away son, the mods could do with a laugh. :hugesmile:

[the truth]

Report away son, the mods could do with a laugh. :hugesmile:

nah they dont laugh AT disabled like you just did

[Jesus.]

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[Kyle]

nah they dont laugh AT disabled like you just did

They won't come to that conclusion though it's just you ya nugget. :hugesmile:

Nice try though :xyxwave:

[the truth]

They won't come to that conclusion though it's just you ya nugget. :hugesmile:

Nice try though :xyxwave:

personal abuse, duly reported again. i love winning:joker:

[Kyle]

personal abuse, duly reported again. i love winning:joker:

What have you won? Cry baby of the year award? Bravo sir :xyxwave:

[the truth]

What have you won? Cry baby of the year award? Bravo sir :xyxwave:

no the moral victor that is I.:wavey:

[Kyle]

no the moral victor that is I.:wavey:

Is it nice and warm up there in cloud cuckoo land?

[Marsh.]

Good news Truth... :amazed:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a558646/eastenders-adds-new-disabled-character-played-by-lisa-hammond.html

[the truth]

Is it nice and warm up there in cloud cuckoo land?

you tell me thats where you exist

[the truth]

Good news Truth... :amazed:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a558646/eastenders-adds-new-disabled-character-played-by-lisa-hammond.html

yes that is good news. keep it coming

[sassysocks]

personal abuse, duly reported again. i love winning:joker:

What never heard of the boy who called 'wolf' too many times. You do yourself no favours. Sigh.

[Marsh.]

yes that is good news. keep it coming

Reported.

[the truth]

What never heard of the boy who called 'wolf' too many times. You do yourself no favours. Sigh.

unlike some Im not here for personal gain or ego

[sassysocks]

unlike some Im not here for personal gain or ego

Of course not - you will only stay until you have convinced us all what terrible creatures women are and how hard done by men like you are. So no doubt you will be around for some time yet then. No personal gain or ego involved.

[the truth]

Of course not - you will only stay until you have convinced us all what terrible creatures women are and how hard done by men like you are. So no doubt you will be around for some time yet then. No personal gain or ego involved.

no none at all and its nothing to do with my own little life either. I actually care for people and the bigger picture.

[the truth]

Reported.

another untruth tut tut youre getting a reputation

[Marsh.]

I actually care for people and the bigger picture.

As long as they're male right?

[the truth]

As long as they're male right?

good gosh no....if a woman is in the right Ill defend her all the way....take female babies 22 weeks old and aborted in a hurry...I fight for females too

[Marsh.]

good gosh no....if a woman is in the right Ill defend her all the way....take female babies 22 weeks old and aborted in a hurry...I fight for females too

Yeah, we need to beat the truth into these women folk... :fist:

[the truth]

Yeah, we need to beat the truth into these women folk... :fist:

never beat a woman tut tut terrible to even joke about such a thing, no man should ever touch a woman, no man or woman has the right to violate the other in any way. im disgusted youd joke about such a thing

[Marsh.]

never beat a woman tut tut terrible to even joke about such a thing, no man should ever touch a woman, no man or woman has the right to violate the other in any way. im disgusted youd joke about such a thing

They need to be taught a lesson. Bitches be crazy.

[sassysocks]

good gosh no....if a woman is in the right Ill defend her all the way....take female babies 22 weeks old and aborted in a hurry...I fight for females too

So you would force women to have babies they may not want, for whatever reason, but you would take them away from them if they want custody. You don't want things all your way then - no control issues there.

[Kyle]

I'm disgusted too, you should report him the truth.

Do it for the women!

[sassysocks]

never beat a woman tut tut terrible to even joke about such a thing, no man should ever touch a woman, no man or woman has the right to violate the other in any way. im disgusted youd joke about such a thing

Attempting to control what a woman does with her own body and force her to have a baby she doesn't want is the worst kind of violation.

[Marsh.]

Attempting to control what a woman does with her own body and force her to have a baby she doesn't want is the worst kind of violation.

Bitch should have closed her legs. :whistle:

[the truth]

So you would force women to have babies they may not want, for whatever reason, but you would take them away from them if they want custody. You don't want things all your way then - no control issues there.

no I never ever said that so your eust making it up, disgraceful
instead we have a system which offers very little often no support to mothers and fathers to be who are confused as to whether to proceed and have the baby. often rushed and given little options or advice they rush into abortion and kill healthy babies sometimes aged up to 22 weeks.....the parents often spend the rest of their lives regretting it and often complain they felt pressurised and rushed into making such a monumental decision. and were offered little or no alternatives nor advice. do the radical feminists even realise 51% of these are female babies who are given no rights to anything , not even life itself.

it seems the dumbo radicals in the femininazi war seem to think the only alternative to the idiots who banned all abortion is to have mass abortion of this gigantic scale....erm ever heard of common sense compromise, collaboration middle ground?

if only the radical feminists could see past their male hate and understand there is a better way than this and this is why were top of the european abortion league with 1 million babies killed every 6 years. most of which are healthy and NOT the result of abortion. still better to let a million good babies die than swallow our pride and converse with the enemy those evil men eh?
kill the babies and win the argument, good choice?

[the truth]

Bitch should have closed her legs. :whistle:

wow more sexism from you even if you think youre being ironic. really offended on behalf of women

[Marsh.]

wow more sexism from you even if you think youre being ironic. really offended on behalf of women

How sweet of you.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IssL3huSfzk/UcH0Qk8ineI/AAAAAAAAFvk/RTbLsZr3Gyw/s1600/coy.gif

[sassysocks]

no I never ever said that so your eust making it up, disgraceful
instead we have a system which offers very little often no support to mothers and fathers to be who are confused as to whether to proceed and have the baby. often rushed and given little options or advice they rush into abortion and kill healthy babies sometimes aged up to 22 weeks.....the parents often spend the rest of their lives regretting it and often complain they felt pressurised and rushed into making such a monumental decision. and were offered little or no alternatives nor advice. do the radical feminists even realise 51% of these are female babies who are given no rights to anything , not even life itself.

it seems the dumbo radicals in the femininazi war seem to think the only alternative to the idiots who banned all abortion is to have mass abortion of this gigantic scale....erm ever heard of common sense compromise, collaboration middle ground?

if only the radical feminists could see past their male hate and understand there is a better way than this and this is why were top of the european abortion league with 1 million babies killed every 6 years. most of which are healthy and NOT the result of abortion. still better to let a million good babies die than swallow our pride and converse with the enemy those evil men eh?
kill the babies and win the argument, good choice?

Having an abortion has nothing to do with male hate or what sex the baby is. It is about a woman's individual circumstances and not wanting a baby at that time in her life.

Babies take over your life - many young women are not ready for that responsibility and want a life of their own first. Nothing wrong with that. You are the one carrying misguided hate, not those you attack constantly.

[the truth]

Having an abortion has nothing to do with male hate or what sex the baby is. It is about a woman's individual circumstances and not wanting a baby at that time in her life.

Babies take over your life - many young women are not ready for that responsibility and want a life of their own first. Nothing wrong with that. You are the one carrying misguided hate, not those you attack constantly.

wrong again. youve clealry not understood a word Ive said and umped to all the worng conclusions. Im advocating more support from women and men during pregnancies and far more resources put into making sure the parents to be have as many options open to them as possible before making this irreversible life altering decision to kill the baby. many parents regret it forever. rather than shoot me down I suggest you read up , better still speak to those parents of aborted babies and see if they regret and see how many felt pressurised with no options but to terminate the baby. show you really care and look at the other side of the issue and read up

[the truth]

How sweet of you.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IssL3huSfzk/UcH0Qk8ineI/AAAAAAAAFvk/RTbLsZr3Gyw/s1600/coy.gif

thanks, even though youre trying desperately to be ironic

[Marsh.]

thanks, even though youre trying desperately to be ironic

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[the truth]

http://media.tumblr.com/d59ddf44d79aa84a2d524cd6ad0ea6b6/tumblr_inline_morpb9jykm1qz4rgp.gif

another non contribution, youre on a roll ....to nowhere

[sassysocks]

wrong again. youve clealry not understood a word Ive said and umped to all the worng conclusions. Im advocating more support from women and men during pregnancies and far more resources put into making sure the parents to be have as many options open to them as possible before making this irreversible life altering decision to kill the baby. many parents regret it forever. rather than shoot me down I suggest you read up , better still speak to those parents of aborted babies and see if they regret and see how many felt pressurised with no options but to terminate the baby. show you really care and look at the other side of the issue and read up

Coming from someone who constantly misunderstands the posts of others and talks Martian half the time - that is really very funny as well as totally hypocritical.

What you are talking about is putting pressure on them from an alternative point of view - attempting to talk them into having a baby they do not want, then leave them to all the hard work for the next 18 years.

Most women know their own minds and will eventually come to their own decisions without any pressure from anyone else.

[Marsh.]

another non contribution, youre on a roll ....to nowhere

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/2063804/balamory-edie-mcredie-o.gif

[sassysocks]

wow more sexism from you even if you think youre being ironic. really offended on behalf of women

No women offended - as it is obvious he is joking fgs.

[the truth]

Coming from someone who constantly misunderstands the posts of others and talks Martian half the time - that is really very funny as well as totally hypocritical.

What you are talking about is putting pressure on them from an alternative point of view - attempting to talk them into having a baby they do not want, then leave them to all the hard work for the next 18 years.

Most women know their own minds and will eventually come to their own decisions without any pressure from anyone else.

youre 100% wrong and you ignore the actual experience of women and men....you dare to talk for the millions who abort kids without actually knowing or listening to any of them , without even asking their actual opinions. it is you who puts words in their mouths and presumes to know what theyre thinking and feeling. it is you therefore who patronises these woman and the men too....you want to re examine this and do more research. youre 100% wrong and so many do gooders like you are so busy thinking all radical feminism is revolutionary wah ahead, when in fact in some cases its the path to destruction and the needless deaths of millions

[sassysocks]

youre 100% wrong and you ignore the actual experience of women and men....you dare to talk for the millions who abort kids without actually knowing or listening to any of them , without even asking their actual opinions. it is you who puts words in their mouths and presumes to know what theyre thinking and feeling. it is you therefore who patronises these woman and the men too....you want to re examine this and do more research. youre 100% wrong and so many do gooders like you are so busy thinking all radical feminism is revolutionary wah ahead, when in fact in some cases its the path to destruction and the needless deaths of millions

You know nothing about me. I wouldn't mind betting I have more experience on the subject than you do. Btw it isn't me attempting to speak for millions, you do that quite well all by yourself. You have no right to try and control the lives of others (particularly women).

Most women do know their own minds and what they do and don't want - they don't need you telling them what they should do and what will lead to a path of destruction.

Perhaps you should spend more time educating more men into putting something on the end of it to help prevent the needless deaths of millions.

[InOne]

:joker: psychic InOne.

I am still well in the game my lovely Cherie :pipe:

[Marsh.]

I am still well in the game my lovely Cherie :pipe:

But are you too white for Lenny Henry?

[InOne]

But are you too white for Lenny Henry?

I am so white he'd probably commit suicide!

[the truth]

You know nothing about me. I wouldn't mind betting I have more experience on the subject than you do. Btw it isn't me attempting to speak for millions, you do that quite well all by yourself. You have no right to try and control the lives of others (particularly women).

Most women do know their own minds and what they do and don't want - they don't need you telling them what they should do and what will lead to a path of destruction.

Perhaps you should spend more time educating more men into putting something on the end of it to help prevent the needless deaths of millions.

youre telling women what to do Im giving them more support , time and options