Teachers on STRIKE [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

user104658

26-03-2014, 11:20 AM

In two minds. On the one hand I think they have a right to stand up and say that they think they're bit being treated well or fairly because, let's face it, no worker is these days. Unless you're the one at the top with the real money... It's ****.

On the other hand, I'm sick of teachers and nurses thinking they have a monopoly on "working hard" or "deserving more". They do work very hard but... They're not the only ones? There are people with none of the career benefits that teachers enjoy, little to no hope of progression, and being paid less than half of what they earn.

I can't even JOIN any sort of union. Doing so, or attempting to organise or engage in strike action, would be considered gross misconduct and I would be fired. Its a prominent part of my employment contract. They move the goalposts and dick around with our contracts and job roles constantly and theres nothing we can do about it... Suck it up, or leave, basically.

So... Anyway. I'm not saying that this is a good thing or that "they should just accept it because the rest of us have to". That sounds like the starting pistol of a race to the bottom, to me. If they think they can reasonably improve their employment conditions then I say go for it. HOWEVER, I really do wish they'd stop claiming that they have a harder job than anyone else. Unless they've done both jobs, how can they possibly know that?

user104658

26-03-2014, 11:24 AM

And any pay increase should be results-based because although there are many brilliant teachers, there are also some really, really useless ones being protected by the union.

I also agree with this: there are some truly amazing, horrendously undervalued teachers out there who never rise beyond the rank-and-file because thwyre concentrating on teaching and not playing workplace politics. And then there are some absolutely useless, lazy teachers who were being paid far more than what they're worth in the first place as general teachers, who often rise to department heads or other supervisory roles within schools and earn good money, simply because they cackle with the right crowd at lunch time.

Kazanne

26-03-2014, 11:25 AM

Cherie

26-03-2014, 11:34 AM

Cherie

26-03-2014, 11:53 AM

They also want to get rid of Learning Suppport Assistants, I guess the two go hand in hand, more profitable that way.

smudgie

26-03-2014, 11:58 AM

Ammi

26-03-2014, 12:00 PM

I also agree with this: there are some truly amazing, horrendously undervalued teachers out there who never rise beyond the rank-and-file because thwyre concentrating on teaching and not playing workplace politics. And then there are some absolutely useless, lazy teachers who were being paid far more than what they're worth in the first place as general teachers, who often rise to department heads or other supervisory roles within schools and earn good money, simply because they cackle with the right crowd at lunch time.

..I don't think that I've ever been aware of/or witnessed that happening but maybe you have...I agree there are some not so good teachers as there is in anything but the way that it's all structured now with Ofsted requirements/budgets etc and even a lot of the Curriculum itself all it's going to mean is that there will be a lot more 'bad teachers' as it's no longer becoming a vocation and that isn't the fault of teaching staff who want to 'teach' as a priority, of which there are many....

26-03-2014, 12:01 PM

I think teachers and nurses should be treated better because everybody at some point in their life has to deal with them. Teachers shape the young minds of tomorrow and nurses look after all of us from birth to death. Yes there are tougher jobs out there, as Toy Soldier says, but I think that essential jobs like teaching and nursing should be better supported so that 1) the staff are properly rewarded for the hard work they do put in and 2) better people are attracted to those jobs to stop the rubbish teachers/nurses from getting jobs just because they need the staff and having a crap employee is better than having no employee.

Ammi

26-03-2014, 12:25 PM

They also want to get rid of Learning Suppport Assistants, I guess the two go hand in hand, more profitable that way.

..I don't know if it's different where you are Cherie..(RoI..?..)..but I can't see that happening here because teachers are being taken out of classrooms more for 'statistic' work and ticking boxes etc so the LSAs are more important than ever atm...in our school and the local ones they are, anyway....

Nedusa

26-03-2014, 12:36 PM

I wonder how many people really appreciate the hard work and long hours teachers have to put in just to stay abreast of the work.

My partner is a college lecturer in English and the amount of hours he has to put in with lesson preparations and marking , not to mention unannounced OFSTED observations which can add even more stress to overworked teachers.

The holidays are long but they have to start two weeks early and are required to go on courses during summer break. Also they NEED long breaks to de stress after a hard year.

And the money they get is not as much as other professions , they are undervalued and not given the respect they deserve by successive Govts .

No wonder as a last resort they feel the only option is strike action.

Livia

26-03-2014, 12:46 PM

I'm annoyed as my kids are at school but I am not,the one I work in is on strike,plus it annoys me that parents get fined for taking kids out of school,but teachers can do it when they please.It's a hard job we know,but so are many other jobs out there,imagine if all carers and medical staff went on strike.

Right, Kazanne. it's quite annoying they take their training days in term time too, while parents get fined for taking their kid out of school during the academic year.

I worked for an FE college when I left uni... it's not a doddle... but it's no more stressful than any other job. I'm qualified to teach adults (English as a Second or Other Language) which I did briefly. It is not the hardest, most stressful job I've ever had, and the pay is bloody great compared to some of the other jobs I've done as a graduate. Maybe it's harder teaching kids, I don't know... but the holidays would make up for it.

Cherie

26-03-2014, 12:50 PM

..I don't know if it's different where you are Cherie..(RoI..?..)..but I can't see that happening here because teachers are being taken out of classrooms more for 'statistic' work and ticking boxes etc so the LSAs are more important than ever atm...in our school and the local ones they are, anyway....

:omg: Quite shocked that you have not heard about this Ammi. I live in the UK and work in a school, there are petitions going around and the literature has been in our staff room for months. Google it Ammi but here is a link in the meantime. Do you not have a Union rep at your school?

.http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network

Ammi

26-03-2014, 12:52 PM

:omg: Quite shocked that you have not heard about this Ammi. I live in the UK and work in a school, there are petitions going around and the literature has been in our staff room for months. Google it Ammi but here is a link in the meantime. Do you not have a Union rep at your school?

.http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network

..no, no one at our school is in a union Cherie so I'm not sure we get any literature...I'll check the link out though, thank you....

Cherie

26-03-2014, 12:58 PM

Sorry it is a rubbish link, here is a better one.

http://www.eteachblog.com/teaching-assistants-face-the-axe/

Cherie

26-03-2014, 01:02 PM

Right, Kazanne. it's quite annoying they take their training days in term time too, while parents get fined for taking their kid out of school during the academic year.

I worked for an FE college when I left uni... it's not a doddle... but it's no more stressful than any other job. I'm qualified to teach adults (English as a Second or Other Language) which I did briefly. It is not the hardest, most stressful job I've ever had, and the pay is bloody great compared to some of the other jobs I've done as a graduate. Maybe it's harder teaching kids, I don't know... but the holidays would make up for it.

It's not teachers doing the fining, it is the Local Authority :idc:

Kazanne

26-03-2014, 01:04 PM

Right, Kazanne. it's quite annoying they take their training days in term time too, while parents get fined for taking their kid out of school during the academic year.

I worked for an FE college when I left uni... it's not a doddle... but it's no more stressful than any other job. I'm qualified to teach adults (English as a Second or Other Language) which I did briefly. It is not the hardest, most stressful job I've ever had, and the pay is bloody great compared to some of the other jobs I've done as a graduate. Maybe it's harder teaching kids, I don't know... but the holidays would make up for it.

How many other proffessions get paid holidays like that all through the year,not many is there? I cant think of any offhand.

Cherie

26-03-2014, 01:06 PM

How many other proffessions get paid holidays like that all through the year,not many is there? I cant think of any offhand.

The strike is about taking the responsibility for schools away from the Local Authorities and handing them over to private business?

Ammi

26-03-2014, 01:08 PM

It's not teachers doing the fining, it is the Local Authority :idc:

..yeah, we just ignore the Welfare officer though, Cherie..:wink:...

Cherie

26-03-2014, 01:11 PM

..yeah, we just ignore the Welfare officer though, Cherie..:wink:...

We lock her in a cupboard, seems to do the trick.

Crimson Dynamo

26-03-2014, 01:26 PM

and think of all the holiday and inservice days

Cherie

26-03-2014, 01:32 PM

and think of all the holiday and inservice days

You should have become a teacher, jealousy is a terrible thing. :laugh:

For all those who probably won't bother to read back through the thread

today's strike in part is about a government proposal to take away the responsibility for schools from the Local Authority and have them run by private business (presumably for a profit).

Nobody has yet commented on this, so I wait with bated breath a response.

Kazanne

26-03-2014, 01:33 PM

Can they not do this in term though?

Kizzy

26-03-2014, 01:33 PM

Today's strike is about the Government basically taking away the running/funding of schools from the Local Authority, and handing them over to private business to run, hands up who thinks that is a good idea, just glad my kids are nearly finished their High School education.

Thankyou cherie, it's about de professionalising teaching... of course there will be those who spout the usual 'all the 'holidays' they get rubbish....
Soon you will only be able to get a decent education if you pay for it, and 'free' schools will be for those that can't, staffed with 'teachers' with an NVQ.
How many kids will get to university with a system like that? Only the elite.

Crimson Dynamo

26-03-2014, 01:36 PM

You should have become a teacher, jealousy is a terrible thing. :laugh:

For all those who probably won't bother to read back through the thread

today's strike in part is about a government proposal to take away the responsibility for schools from the Local Authority and have them run by private business (presumably for a profit).

Nobody has yet commented on this, so I wait with bated breath a response.

Thousands of schools in England and Wales are closed, as teachers join rallies and picket lines in a strike over pay, pensions and conditions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26729786

Ammi

26-03-2014, 01:39 PM

We lock her in a cupboard, seems to do the trick.

..you are actually my hero now, you know that..but how is it that your school's budget can allow for the cost of the locks, though...are you feeding those children..:laugh:...

Kizzy

26-03-2014, 01:52 PM

Thousands of schools in England and Wales are closed, as teachers join rallies and picket lines in a strike over pay, pensions and conditions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26729786

http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/strike_44_hackney_schools_to_shut_as_teachers_prot est_creeping_privatisation_1_3485740

“Teachers will not stand by and let Michael Gove and this government destroy the education system,” he said.

“Gove’s policy of creeping privatisation includes the deregulation of teacher’s pay and conditions - we will not let that happen.”

Ammi

26-03-2014, 02:01 PM

..oh I also meant to say Cherie that I read the link, yeah I was aware of that but it's not a recent thing..?...if anything, the schools here have increased the LSA's hours over the last few years and employed more, a lot of them HLSAs because what the government says makes no sense whatsoever...there isn't the budget to always get supply teachers and a lot of supply teachers are nowhere near as good as an LSA who knows the children/school/timetable etc ..obviously we're a primary school and don't have specialist topic teachers though...but how are they going to fund more teaching staff when none of the support workers have had a salary increase for over 4 years and it's just been extended to another 4 years...?...crazy....

Black Dagger

26-03-2014, 02:04 PM

Lazy bastards tbh :hmph:

I usually don't complain about a day off, but I'd have rather gone in today.

Vicky.

26-03-2014, 02:05 PM

Cherie

26-03-2014, 02:21 PM

Can they not do this in term though?

I think the whole point of a strike is disruption so they draw attention to it.

Thousands of schools in England and Wales are closed, as teachers join rallies and picket lines in a strike over pay, pensions and conditions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26729786

You are missing the point though of course pay, pensions and conditions will change if schools are privatised
..oh I also meant to say Cherie that I read the link, yeah I was aware of that but it's not a recent thing..?...if anything, the schools here have increased the LSA's hours over the last few years and employed more, a lot of them HLSAs because what the government says makes no sense whatsoever...there isn't the budget to always get supply teachers and a lot of supply teachers are nowhere near as good as an LSA who knows the children/school/timetable etc ..obviously we're a primary school and don't have specialist topic teachers though...but how are they going to fund more teaching staff when none of the support workers have had a salary increase for over 4 years and it's just been extended to another 4 years...?...crazy....

It is fairly recent, I think it came up some time last year, we recently signed a petition about it through our Union Rep so it is an ongoing proposal.

Ammi

26-03-2014, 02:33 PM

I think the whole point of a strike is disruption so they draw attention to it.

You are missing the point though of course pay, pensions and conditions will change if schools are privatised

It is fairly recent, I think it came up some time last year, we recently signed a petition about it through our Union Rep so it is an ongoing proposal.

..do you really think it would happen though, Cherie..they couldn't afford more teaching staff on the budgets..?...

DrunkerThanMoses

26-03-2014, 02:36 PM

Its great I have a half day :)

Cherie

26-03-2014, 02:43 PM

..do you really think it would happen though, Cherie..they couldn't afford more teaching staff on the budgets..?...

I suppose it would be less costly if you got rid of 10 TAs and just appointed one qualified teacher!

overnment ministers have started talks to phase out teaching assistants in England to save £4 billion a year, but heads and parents are likely to oppose the move.
There are currently 232,000 teaching assistants, three times the number in 2000. The last government introduced them to ease pressure on teachers and give them more time to prepare lessons and mark work. Phasing teaching assistants out would enable schools to hire more teachers and reduce the DfE’s budget, and would probably take several years.
The think-tank Reform questions the value for money of teaching assistants and claims that their impact on educational outcomes for pupils is ‘negligible’. Its research director Thomas Cawston said: “We found that while they were supposed to help teachers, they were actually being allowed to take classes themselves. Not being prepared or qualified to so those classes, they were not doing a very good job. The money spent on teaching assistants would be far better spent on improving the quality of teachers.”

Ammi

26-03-2014, 02:46 PM

I suppose it would be less costly if you got rid of 10 TAs and just appointed one qualified teacher!

overnment ministers have started talks to phase out teaching assistants in England to save £4 billion a year, but heads and parents are likely to oppose the move.
There are currently 232,000 teaching assistants, three times the number in 2000. The last government introduced them to ease pressure on teachers and give them more time to prepare lessons and mark work. Phasing teaching assistants out would enable schools to hire more teachers and reduce the DfE’s budget, and would probably take several years.
The think-tank Reform questions the value for money of teaching assistants and claims that their impact on educational outcomes for pupils is ‘negligible’. Its research director Thomas Cawston said: “We found that while they were supposed to help teachers, they were actually being allowed to take classes themselves. Not being prepared or qualified to so those classes, they were not doing a very good job. The money spent on teaching assistants would be far better spent on improving the quality of teachers.”

..it won't be spent on that though, will it...some teaching assistants are far better qualified to teach and better at teaching than supply teachers and far, far cheaper...

Cherie

26-03-2014, 03:07 PM

I suppose it would be less costly if you got rid of 10 TAs and just appointed one qualified teacher!

overnment ministers have started talks to phase out teaching assistants in England to save £4 billion a year, but heads and parents are likely to oppose the move.
There are currently 232,000 teaching assistants, three times the number in 2000. The last government introduced them to ease pressure on teachers and give them more time to prepare lessons and mark work. Phasing teaching assistants out would enable schools to hire more teachers and reduce the DfE’s budget, and would probably take several years.
The think-tank Reform questions the value for money of teaching assistants and claims that their impact on educational outcomes for pupils is ‘negligible’. Its research director Thomas Cawston said: “We found that while they were supposed to help teachers, they were actually being allowed to take classes themselves. Not being prepared or qualified to so those classes, they were not doing a very good job. ]The money spent on teaching assistants would be far better spent on improving the quality of teachers.”[/B]

..it won't be spent on that though, will it...some teaching assistants are far better qualified to teach and better at teaching than supply teachers and far, far cheaper...

Of course it won't, great sweetener for parents though (Royal Mail shares for staff anyone?). This is why is annoys me when teachers go on strike the only thing you hear is about is holidays, all the proper issues are swept under the carpet. You never hear anyone complaining about MPs holidays do you!

Kizzy

26-03-2014, 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=Ammi;6770892]

Of course it won't, great sweetener for parents though (Royal Mail shares for staff anyone?). This is why is annoys me when teachers go on strike the only thing you hear is about is holidays, all the proper issues are swept under the carpet. You never hear anyone complaining about MPs holidays do you!

Of course not, you just get those who are too ignorant or arrogant to see beyond the end of their nose and start arm flailing about militants and such.

arista

26-03-2014, 03:25 PM

Well that Corrupt Union (NUT) only got 40%
so militants are needed to Buff it all up in front of SkyNewsHD Live
in Central London today

Kizzy

16-03-2016, 11:23 AM

Thankyou cherie, it's about de professionalising teaching... of course there will be those who spout the usual 'all the 'holidays' they get rubbish....
Soon you will only be able to get a decent education if you pay for it, and 'free' schools will be for those that can't, staffed with 'teachers' with an NVQ.
How many kids will get to university with a system like that? Only the elite.

prophesy?... :/

arista

16-03-2016, 04:42 PM

Yes 6th Form Colleges got the Legal OK
by a Judge

So students will Join Teachers on Strike?

joeysteele

16-03-2016, 05:34 PM

I would hate to be a teacher,I know someone who is and they work a lot more than likely people think, a good bit of it from home outside of term times,preparing for term time and also as to assessing pupils progress or lack of it.

Good luck to them if this is the only way to get their voices really heard.
like Doctors as to health and care,my guess is teachers know far more about educating children than those in govt.

Tom4784

16-03-2016, 05:54 PM

I'm with Cherie on this.

The privatisation kick that the Tories are on needs to be stopped and it's foolish to discredit the strike just because you're jealous of the Holiday time.

If you had to deal with hateful inbred brats every day you'd need a six week holiday too.

DemolitionRed

16-03-2016, 09:48 PM

Lazy bastards tbh :hmph:

I usually don't complain about a day off, but I'd have rather gone in today.

This strike has nothing to do with being overworked or underpaid :conf:

Crimson Dynamo

16-03-2016, 09:49 PM

good to see tube drivers working weekends :clap1:

when will lazy teachers?

DemolitionRed

16-03-2016, 09:58 PM

I suspect, once they've managed to privatize every school in the land and the privateers have got rid of any surplus to requirement staff, they will start charging for extra curricular activities such as sports, music and art.

arista

16-01-2023, 07:54 AM

I found a 2014 Thread
for this Front page

The Strike Ballot Result is at 5PM today

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/126C4/production/_128306457_croppedi-newspaper_page1_23789667-nc.png.webp

arista

16-01-2023, 05:11 PM

Teachers in England and Wales have voted to Strike.

Dates soon

Mystic Mock

16-01-2023, 05:39 PM

It feels like everybody is on strike these days.:joker:

arista

16-01-2023, 05:49 PM

7 day Strikes

Weds 1st of Feb

Thurs 16th of March

All Media

user104658

16-01-2023, 06:02 PM

It feels like everybody is on strike these days.:joker:

Unfortunately the Tories have collapsed the economy so... Yes... They are.

Crimson Dynamo

16-01-2023, 07:27 PM

"Funny they never went on strike when they were all furloughed and sat on their backsides getting paid by the taxpayer"

DM

GoldHeart

16-01-2023, 08:52 PM

It feels like everybody is on strike these days.:joker:

Especially the people we need the most or emergency staff ,postal workers & now teachers .

Crimson Dynamo

16-01-2023, 09:09 PM

Especially the people we need the most or emergency staff ,postal workers & now teachers .

FUNNY HOW THE JOBS THAT WILL CAUSE THE MOST DISRUPTION ARE TARGETTED BY THE EXTREME LEFT UNIONS

:think:

Alf

16-01-2023, 10:08 PM

Get to work you lazy set of sods.

arista

16-01-2023, 10:13 PM

Get to work, you lazy set of sods.

Government offers 5%

They want 10% increase on their wages

Alf

16-01-2023, 10:16 PM

Government offers 5%

They want 10% increase on their wagesSack them and hire new. They're all woke anyway.

thesheriff443

16-01-2023, 10:18 PM

It’s a no brainer to go on strike if the nurses can do it every one will

Mystic Mock

16-01-2023, 10:20 PM

Unfortunately the Tories have collapsed the economy so... Yes... They are.

Oh I agree with you 100% that it's the Tories fault.

Alf

16-01-2023, 10:24 PM

Unfortunately the Tories have collapsed the economy so... Yes... They are.They ain't Tories. They're globalists. They're working towards a one world government.

arista

31-01-2023, 03:20 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7A90/production/_128467313_times-nc.png.webp

arista

31-01-2023, 07:36 PM

Angry Parents on Ch4HD news

Can not afford to miss work

Big Strike Day Wednesday 1st of Feb 2023

This Old 2014 Thread,

arista

31-01-2023, 07:41 PM

What's new?

Tomorrow Multi Strikes
Wednesday 1st Feb 2023

Angry Parents
must go to work

Kids can not go in the boot

AnnieK

31-01-2023, 07:53 PM

My son's school is on strike.....its annoying but it is what it is...school is shut so he can't go :mad:

arista

31-01-2023, 08:02 PM

My son's school is on strike.....its annoying but it is what it is...school is shut so he can't go :mad:

Yes Sadly Tomorrow
many Locked Gates.

Tomorrow early
Ch5HD 9:15AM Vine Special on this Mega Strike Day

Crimson Dynamo

31-01-2023, 08:22 PM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7A90/production/_128467313_times-nc.png.webp

what a stunning picture of the beautiful Kate

wow

:love:

Beso

31-01-2023, 08:26 PM

An absolute disgrace considering the education kids missed out on during covid...

arista

01-02-2023, 12:00 AM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-09c761ce-c4d3-4b47-ad9a-d4dcfa2f9fee.png

arista

01-02-2023, 12:09 AM

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9bddb4dc-9d24-4264-bd48-300edc0f6641.jpeg

Glenn.

01-02-2023, 12:16 AM

Education is very important and teachers need to be paid properly for it.

arista

01-02-2023, 06:08 AM

Education is very important and teachers need to be paid properly for it.

Yes Glenn

Labour will offer 12% rise
if they tale over next year
in the General Election,

Will they accept that?

arista

01-02-2023, 06:11 AM

Teachers
have been told by the Evil Union
not tell parents if they are on Strike.

Thats Corrupt

Head Teachers will make the call
at the last minute

GMBHD itv

arista

01-02-2023, 06:16 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/02/01/01/67189045-0-image-m-16_1675215733258.jpg

bots

01-02-2023, 06:53 AM

everyones work is very important, no profession should put themselves above anyone else in importance

joeysteele

01-02-2023, 09:42 AM

They have my support .

However as I've no children it's perhaps easier for me to not see the issues affecting education for the children from disruption from this.

I just don't understand why whichever government is in power.
How they let things reach these boiling points and communicating fairly and regularly with each other on all sides.
To avoid strikes being seen as necessary.

I mean in an environment that needs strong continuity and trust, how can having 4 or is it 5 even, different Education secretary's in a few years possibly achieve continuity and trust.

arista

01-02-2023, 09:53 AM

Joey the Government
will not pay them more.
Blaming more Inflation will happen.

So more teachers can demand 12% pay rise
but not until Starmer takes over
if he wins the General Election next year.

Crimson Dynamo

01-02-2023, 09:54 AM

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

arista

01-02-2023, 10:03 AM

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

That should save money

Cherie

01-02-2023, 10:10 AM

Smallest BOy LT trip with the school to London cancelled due to train strikes and unlikely to be rescheduled

That should save money

:laugh:

bots

01-02-2023, 10:11 AM

user104658

01-02-2023, 10:19 AM

LT mentioned it before, but it's worth restating. None of the industries currently striking were furloughed during the pandemic. For 18 months they continued to take home full pay while the rest of us were forced into dramatic wage cuts. You don't hear them own up to that while they make their demands

What sort of dystopian apocalyptic message is that? :joker:

"They didn't get 20% pay cuts when we were all locked inside our homes due to the global viral pandemic, so they should be content to carry on their professionally trained & registered jobs and responsibilities for pauper's wages now goshdarnit. And be grateful for it, too!"

Come on BOTS. That's a race to the bottom. "No one else is getting better so I don't deserve better either, carry on tossing me scraps". The Tories absolutely LOVE that sort of nonsense.

No one owes anything to anyone other than themselves, and people get to negotiate what their efforts are worth, to them, and to their employer. If they don't feel valued they can down tools. If they don't reach a settlement they can quit. These are ... pretty much the basics of any economy.

arista

01-02-2023, 10:24 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn2OBJsXEAAX9j0?format=jpg&name=small

Crimson Dynamo

01-02-2023, 10:43 AM

Reports of teachers having to rely on food banks because they are not paid
enough are "not credible", the Education Secretary has said
(in other words made up union bollocks)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2023/02/01/TELEMMGLPICT000323817557_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberW d9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth= 700

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/01/rishi-sunak-news-latest-train-teacher-union-strikes-pmqs/

user104658

01-02-2023, 11:22 AM

Depending on area I can see a single £30k salary being eaten up by rent, utilities, car and fuel alone so of course it's "credible", especially if you throw in some student debt/general debt which let's face it most people have these days.

arista

01-02-2023, 11:24 AM

user104658

01-02-2023, 11:27 AM

Sure
but Other EU nations stop Essentials going on strike

I fully believe that anyone who isn't given a mechanism to dispute their pay should simply quit. If we don't support our teachers and medical professionals in achieving fair pay for their qualifications and service, then we don't deserve schools and hospitals. That simple really.

Alf

01-02-2023, 11:35 AM

Those hotels for illegals need paying for, the war in Ukraine needs paying for and climate change needs paying for. There is no money for a pay rise.

Crimson Dynamo

01-02-2023, 11:50 AM

I fully believe that anyone who isn't given a mechanism to dispute their pay should simply quit. If we don't support our teachers and medical professionals in achieving fair pay for their qualifications and service, then we don't deserve schools and hospitals. That simple really.
most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

Zizu

01-02-2023, 12:15 PM

most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

Can’t speak for the health system but anyone who thinks that we are on fair pay in secondary education should spend ONE single day in a high school !!

I can’t even find the words to explain how difficult , stressful and upsetting an average day is now .

We have experienced teachers on long term stress sick , many , many others on the verge of quitting and the rest disillusioned.

I dread to think where this is all going to and I’m just thankful that I will be retiring next year .

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arista

01-02-2023, 12:16 PM

Those hotels for illegals need paying for, the war in Ukraine needs paying for and climate change needs paying for. There is no money for a pay rise.

Plus, each Illegal gets our Tax Payers Money (£40.85)
paid to them
each week,
from the Government.

Zizu

01-02-2023, 12:28 PM

Plus, each Illegal gets our Tax Payers Money (£40.85)
paid to them
each week,
from the Government.

From what I can gather the health system is adequately funded if not OVERfunded .

The problem is apparently complete and utter mismanagement of the funds

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joeysteele

01-02-2023, 12:34 PM

user104658

01-02-2023, 12:56 PM

most people believe they are getting "fair pay"

Yes but most people are Tory stooges who think there's some sort of "moral merit" in working oneself to death for a subsistence income.

Pay in registered professions that require an extra 3+ years of higher education should OBVIOUSLY be significantly better paid than minimum wage, and they currently just aren't. To top that off, minimum wage in this country is clearly insufficient since most people on it have to be topped up with in-work benefits just for the basic ends to meet.

To be clear I'm not being "snobbish" here I don't just mean jobs with University level education - anyone in any trade once they're fully signed off & competent should obviously be making significantly more money than a fresh faced 20 year old not long out of school. Retail management grades should be making more than a couple of £ an hour more than an 18 year old inexperienced cashier. The whole system in this country is an utter mess.

Obvious issues (lack of universal healthcare, lack of workers' rights) in the US aside - look at the difference in what professionals are paid in the vast majority of US states compared to here. Teachers are making on average $63000/year. Experienced nurses are on over $80,000. In California a well qualified nurse with experience can realistically expect to nudge into a 6 figure salary.

There's no real material difference within the country of the dollar to the pound, so basically they're getting paid double what people in the UK are paid, for the same job. My wife as a band 7 management grade mental health nurse could be making more than double her current salary in Canada or Australia. I can do my own job from anywhere in the world that has an internet connection. We're just not at the point of being willing to uproot the kids like that. Yet.

That's a massive problem. The UK is going to lose it's skilled staff and replace them all with low-skilled staff and migrant workers who are (frankly) less educated and less skilled. The country is tanking.

Beso

01-02-2023, 02:37 PM

Firefighters soon.

arista

02-02-2023, 03:39 AM

Talk TV HD not as good as GBnewsHD

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Zizu

02-02-2023, 06:46 AM

Talk TV HD not as good as GBnewsHD

1620900933306839040

Presume you’ve posted the above in the wrong thread ?

I haven’t watched either for quite some time but I’d say there’s probably room for both ..

They both have some good presenters with interesting views and ideas and some gawd-awful ones who are completely abhorrent at best or totally inept at worst

( Like Piers Morgan , Nigel Farage , Jeremy Kyle ,

Many of their presenters ( on both channels) are either simply too annoying to watch or hold dangerous views on important matters

( Dan Wootton , Eamon Holmes , Neil Oliver … )

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arista

03-04-2023, 11:56 AM

[Teachers set to strike again as
National Education Union rejects government pay offer

Thousands of schools could be forced
to close if the strikes go ahead as union leaders
urge Education Secretary Gillian Keegan
to come back with a better deal.]
Monday 3 April 2023 12:05, UK

https://news.sky.com/story/more-teachers-strikes-expected-as-major-union-members-reject-insulting-pay-offer-12848847

Under 5%
is not enough for the teachers.

New Strike Dates
Thursday, April 27th and Tuesday,May 2nd

arista

03-04-2023, 12:06 PM

Starmer just said they need to get around the table?
Is he Stupid?

They were around the table.
It Failed

arista

03-04-2023, 05:39 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FszC9OhXgAAC4Cu?format=jpg&name=small

arista

03-05-2023, 07:41 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/29/22/70391705-12029571-image-a-86_1682804851004.jpg

[But a minority of hard-Left NEU members
are bringing them into disrepute,
bunking off work for 'strike action' while
holding samba lessons and dining out on luxury
lunches at the Hilton.
The NEU needs to stop having a jolly.'

A Government source said: 'This just shows
that the NEU cares more about samba lessons
than maths lessons.

'Instead of keeping schools open to give kids
the best education possible,
the union has revealed itself to be no
more than a glorified activity club for
striking teachers.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12029571/Striking-teachers-booking-samba-lessons-luxury-lunches.html