Things like this being posted on facebook

[Ninastar]

http://i.imgur.com/7T2bm2A.png

Is it just me that gets really pissed off that this is even allowed?

(Not wearing burkas of course...)

[Kizzy]

Oh there's always going to be ignorant people, waste of energy trying to understand them :joker:

[Ramsay]

Nearly all types of ''SHARE and LIKE'' annoy me

[arista]

But Facebook is so big
so every type or viewpoint is on it

So its normal.

[Nedusa]

I agree it should be banned, it is obscene and indefensible to ask women to walk about in public covered head to foot like this.

Disgusting.........I don't agree with the aims and objectives of the BNP but on this particular issue I agree 100%

[T*]

I agree it should be banned, it is obscene and indefensible to ask women to walk about in public covered head to foot like this.

Disgusting.........I don't agree with the aims and objectives of the BNP but on this particular issue I agree 100%

[2]

[Black Dagger]

-rolleyes-

[Niamh.]

I agree it should be banned, it is obscene and indefensible to ask women to walk about in public covered head to foot like this.

Disgusting.........I don't agree with the aims and objectives of the BNP but on this particular issue I agree 100%

It's not for us to demand it though I think, I think the women who actually wear them are the ones who have to fight for that, if that's what they want. Personally I can't even begin to understand how they would want to wear those things and I think it's down to brain washing and sexism within their culture but they still need to realize that for themselves and fight for change themselves, you can't force people to think how you do

[MTVN]

People actually share BNP propaganda?

Would probably just unfriend anyone who did that

[user104658]

It's not for us to demand it though I think, I think the women who actually wear them are the ones who have to fight for that, if that's what they want. Personally I can't even begin to understand how they would want to wear those things and I think it's down to brain washing and sexism within their culture but they still need to realize that for themselves and fight for change themselves, you can't force people to think how you do

Exactly. They're not legally forced to wear it and that's as far as the law needs to be involved. Banning something for the sake of freedom is a complete oxymoron. People should be able to wear what they want... Whether or not the cultural elements / women from certain cultures (it's not actually a religious issue) of women feeling forced, or being culturally brainwashed, into wearing them is "a problem", is a completely separate issue, and one that won't be addressed by "banning".

On top of that, I get the distinct impression that the BNPs desire to ban isn't because they feel that these women shouldn't have to wear them, but rather because they don't want to see it.

[Niamh.]

Exactly. They're not legally forced to wear it and that's as far as the law needs to be involved. Banning something for the sake of freedom is a complete oxymoron. People should be able to wear what they want... Whether or not the cultural elements / women from certain cultures (it's not actually a religious issue) of women feeling forced, or being culturally brainwashed, into wearing them is "a problem", is a completely separate issue, and one that won't be addressed by "banning".

On top of that, I get the distinct impression that the BNPs desire to ban isn't because they feel that these women shouldn't have to wear them, but rather because they don't want to see it.

Yep, absolutely.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree it should be banned, it is obscene and indefensible to ask women to walk about in public covered head to foot like this.

Disgusting.........I don't agree with the aims and objectives of the BNP but on this particular issue I agree 100%

bang On Right

[Livia]

It's not for us to demand it though I think, I think the women who actually wear them are the ones who have to fight for that, if that's what they want. Personally I can't even begin to understand how they would want to wear those things and I think it's down to brain washing and sexism within their culture but they still need to realize that for themselves and fight for change themselves, you can't force people to think how you do

We're talking about a culture where in some quarters, women are denied education and medical treatment. I'm not sure a fight over wearing the burka is one they'd have the appetite for. I know there are some women in the UK and other liberal places, who say it's their right to wear the burka. But equally, there are many women in the world who have this oppressive garment forced on them. If women want to wear things that adhere to their religion, headscarves for instance, then that's up to them. But to have to wear something that covers everything but your eyes - and some burkas have a lace panel so that you can't see their eyes either - simply because you're a women sounds ridiculous to me.

[Niamh.]

We're talking about a culture where in some quarters, women are denied education and medical treatment. I'm not sure a fight over wearing the burka is one they'd have the appetite for. I know there are some women in the UK and other liberal places, who say it's their right to wear the burka. But equally, there are many women in the world who have this oppressive garment forced on them. If women want to wear things that adhere to their religion, headscarves for instance, then that's up to them. But to have to wear something that covers everything but your eyes - and some burkas have a lace panel so that you can't see their eyes either - simply because you're a women sounds ridiculous to me.

Me too, don't get me wrong, I just don't think you can force a ban on them when most of these women will tell you they want to wear them (even if that is down to brain washing or fear)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its only by a ban will these religions realise that this country is not as backward as the one they came from. No mate, here women are equal and your mental religion is not welcome.

[MTVN]

Its only by a ban will these religions realise that this country is not as backward as the one they came from. No mate, here women are equal and your mental religion is not welcome.

That is of course resting on the assumption that everyone who wears the burka is an immigrant. But then most of the arguments against the burka are based on assumptions.

[Me. I Am Salman]

there is not one woman in my ENTIRE family & extended family that wears the full on burkha, not one, and the majority are religious. It's not widespread or obligatory at all, these women really are choosing to wear it themselves. as for people babbling on about 'sexism' well there is no compulsion in Islam nor does anyone have the right to judge another, and there are different ideas of 'liberation'. you need to realise that the western way of thinking isn't the only correct one and shouldn't override other cultures and traditions. for instance these women would probably see the western style of dress as oppressive, and would express disgust at the fact that women are actually paid to take their clothes off over here. personally I don't see any style of dress as a product of sexism, it's simply down to choice. don't get why it's so hard for people to think the same way

the only legitimate argument for banning the burkha would be security or identification purposes, but only in like the workplace or something, not outside

[Z]

there is not one woman in my ENTIRE family & extended family that wears the full on burkha, not one, and the majority are religious. It's not widespread or obligatory at all, these women really are choosing to wear it themselves. as for people babbling on about 'sexism' well there is no compulsion in Islam nor does anyone have the right to judge another, and there are different ideas of 'liberation'. you need to realise that the western way of thinking isn't the only correct one and shouldn't override other cultures and traditions. for instance these women would probably see the western style of dress as oppressive, and would express disgust at the fact that women are actually paid to take their clothes off over here. personally I don't see any style of dress as a product of sexism, it's simply down to choice. don't get why it's so hard for people to think the same way

the only legitimate argument for banning the burkha would be security or identification purposes, but only in like the workplace or something, not outside

Fantastic post Salman

[user104658]

We're talking about a culture where in some quarters, women are denied education and medical treatment. I'm not sure a fight over wearing the burka is one they'd have the appetite for. I know there are some women in the UK and other liberal places, who say it's their right to wear the burka. But equally, there are many women in the world who have this oppressive garment forced on them. If women want to wear things that adhere to their religion, headscarves for instance, then that's up to them. But to have to wear something that covers everything but your eyes - and some burkas have a lace panel so that you can't see their eyes either - simply because you're a women sounds ridiculous to me.

I completely agree with this, I don't think for a second that it's a good thing that they're made to feel forced to wear them or that they're raised in such a way that they feel like they actually "want to" (as is often the case, but let's face it, it's simple brainwashing).

However - you can't force freedom. Banning any item of clothing in the name of freedom is not only illogical, but it's the start of a slippery slope that will inevitably only end in fewer freedoms for everyone.

Banning it achieves absolutely nothing in terms of improving quality of life. In fact, if anything, the culture is so strong that I can see many women - if the Burka was banned - simply not being allowed to go out in public at all. The issue is one that needs tackled but it's the cause that needs tackling, oppressive cultural norms that don't really have any place in the world going forward. The Burka is just a symptom.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Fantastic post Salman

lol thanks :blush:

[Kizzy]

I don't feel the BNP are the right people to be asking for anyone to consider anyones 'rights' frankly.
I would leave that to those without a fascist agenda.

[Nedusa]

Exactly. They're not legally forced to wear it and that's as far as the law needs to be involved. Banning something for the sake of freedom is a complete oxymoron. People should be able to wear what they want... Whether or not the cultural elements / women from certain cultures (it's not actually a religious issue) of women feeling forced, or being culturally brainwashed, into wearing them is "a problem", is a completely separate issue, and one that won't be addressed by "banning".

On top of that, I get the distinct impression that the BNPs desire to ban isn't because they feel that these women shouldn't have to wear them, but rather because they don't want to see it.

Normally I would agree with your premise that banning something for the sake of freedom is counterproductive to freedom, but in this case I feel the law needs to step in and help these women.

Women from families with very strong islamic views are conditioned and eventually bullied to adhere to this type of anachronistic behaviour regardless of how repugnant it is.

they really have no choice when it comes to this particular form of slavery, they would receive extreme physical punishment and in some extreme cases possibly death through so called honour killings for refusing to wear this type of "clothing".

I believe like the French Govt that wearing this type of extreme garb is a form of female repression and subjugation under the veneer of religious choice.

I think these women have no choice and no freedom and would benefit from some form of legal cover which bans full face garments like these on moral,legal and safety grounds.

Otherwise this disgusting practice will continue unabated for years possibly decades to come.

[user104658]

there is not one woman in my ENTIRE family & extended family that wears the full on burkha, not one, and the majority are religious. It's not widespread or obligatory at all, these women really are choosing to wear it themselves. as for people babbling on about 'sexism' well there is no compulsion in Islam nor does anyone have the right to judge another, and there are different ideas of 'liberation'. you need to realise that the western way of thinking isn't the only correct one and shouldn't override other cultures and traditions. for instance these women would probably see the western style of dress as oppressive, and would express disgust at the fact that women are actually paid to take their clothes off over here. personally I don't see any style of dress as a product of sexism, it's simply down to choice. don't get why it's so hard for people to think the same way

the only legitimate argument for banning the burkha would be security or identification purposes, but only in like the workplace or something, not outside

It is a cultural issue rather than a religious one as I said in a previous post, however, I think you're being a little short-sighted... wither deliberately or defensively. The fact that it's not a religious obligation is not immediately followed by an assumption that they women are [truly] "choosing to wear it themselves". Culturally, the families in which wearing the full Burka is commonplace are run in an extremely patriarchal manner and the fact that it's not demanded by religion does not mean that it's not enforced by the family / community itself. The fact that this doesn't apply to your family does not imply that it doesn't happen in other families. It doesn't. Of course, that's not to say that there isn't oppression (and not only of women) in all sorts of families from all different faiths / non-faiths... but, neither does that fact mean that this isn't an issue. That there are women who feel that they have no choice but to wear the full Burka is a simple fact. Familial pressure / religious pressure... the reasons surely don't really matter, other than the fact that it's used (by some) to demonize the religion as a whole.

[Kyle]

I'd rather they just worked on relationships with communities and finding out if certain women were pressured into wearing them, how to get the message out that's it not acceptable etc. rather than just blanket banning them and punishing people who choose to wear it.

[user104658]

Normally I would agree with your premise that banning something for the sake of freedom is counterproductive to freedom, but in this case I feel the law needs to step in and help these women.

Women from families with very strong islamic views are conditioned and eventually bullied to adhere to this type of anachronistic behaviour regardless of how repugnant it is.

they really have no choice when it comes to this particular form of slavery, they would receive extreme physical punishment and in some extreme cases possibly death through so called honour killings for refusing to wear this type of "clothing".

I believe like the French Govt that wearing this type of extreme garb is a form of female repression and subjugation under the veneer of religious choice.

I think these women have no choice and no freedom and would benefit from some form of legal cover which bans full face garments like these on moral,legal and safety grounds.

Otherwise this disgusting practice will continue unabated for years possibly decades to come.

Like I said; I fully believe that in households where they believe firmly in the Burka, if the Burka was to be banned these women simply wouldn't be allowed to leave the home at all. Ever. So it might look like the problem is "solved" out in public - no women wearing full Burka - it would create an "unseen" problem with women being essentially imprisoned in their homes.

Of course, for the BNP this is "problem solved" since, as I said, their objective is not to help women but simply to keep "things that they don't like to see" out of the public eye.

For anyone actually seeking to educate / help, it would be couter-productive.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Women from families with very strong islamic views are conditioned and eventually bullied to adhere to this type of anachronistic behaviour regardless of how repugnant it is.

they really have no choice when it comes to this particular form of slavery, they would receive extreme physical punishment and in some extreme cases possibly death through so called honour killings for refusing to wear this type of "clothing.

rofl this is all bulls**t

no one is 'bullied' or 'threatened' to wear the burkha, it's common knowledge that it's not compulsory. yes there is an issue of some families forcing women to dress 'Islamically', and that is an issue needed to be tackled, but definitely not specifically the burkha lmfao

[Nedusa]

rofl this is all bulls**t

no one is 'bullied' or 'threatened' to wear the burkha, it's common knowledge that it's not compulsory. yes there is an issue of some families forcing women to dress 'Islamically', and that is an issue needed to be tackled, but definitely not specifically the burkha lmfao

When you say dress Islamically.......do you mean wear what you are told to wear by your husband,brother or father or else we will beat the living crap out of you ??

Sounds like brainwashing to me.

[Kizzy]

How very British... 'Ok, enough of that!'

How long does it take to change patriarchal culture.... How long is a piece of string?

[Me. I Am Salman]

When you say dress Islamically.......do you mean wear what you are told to wear by your husband,brother or father or else we will beat the living crap out of you ??

Sounds like brainwashing to me.

stop with your stupid assumption that muslim men are the epitome of all evil, in most cases it's the daughter being pressured by BOTH her parents. these parents usually pressurise their sons to behave islamically too. and yes this is obviously unacceptable and also unislamic

[user104658]

rofl this is all bulls**t

no one is 'bullied' or 'threatened' to wear the burkha, it's common knowledge that it's not compulsory. yes there is an issue of some families forcing women to dress 'Islamically', and that is an issue needed to be tackled, but definitely not specifically the burkha lmfao

"No one"? Really? Not only is that an outlandish claim to make about... well... anything... but in this case it's patently false.

[Kizzy]

Ok no need to start salman bashing, as this vid shows lots of places need to get their head around equality....
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/178677#.UzVqf_l_uT8

[Brother Leon]

Salman is mostly right though so not sure why he's being bashed.


Salman...you are arguing with someone/People who knows very little about the topic. Why waste your time? I find a lot of the people who make these assumptions on Muslims or what the religion means haven't spent much time with Muslims at all. I can find places of inequality or prejudice or bullying from parents towards their daughter from almost any country or culture. Personally the Muslim males I know are tremendously respectful towards women and my mother adores and loves having them around as a result so the generalisation works both ways..:laugh:

[smeagol]

burkas annoy me but at the same time i think let people do what they want. but i know in their countries there is so much we cant wear or do. so its a tricky one.

ban hoodies as well while your at it. lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Salman is mostly right though so not sure why he's being bashed.


Salman...you are arguing with someone/People who knows very little about the topic. Why waste your time? I find a lot of the people who make these assumptions on Muslims or what the religion means haven't spent much time with Muslims at all. I can find places of inequality or prejudice or bullying from parents towards their daughter from almost any country or culture. Personally the Muslim males I know are tremendously respectful towards women and my mother adores and loves having them around as a result so the generalisation works both ways..:laugh:

lol

so you views are the ones we should listen too based on who you know?


:joker:

[Marsh.]

I agree it should be banned, it is obscene and indefensible to ask women to walk about in public covered head to foot like this.

Disgusting.........I don't agree with the aims and objectives of the BNP but on this particular issue I agree 100%

Burka's are not an enforced thing are they?

Also, why is it down to us to say they shouldn't wear them? It's nothing to do with us.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would also ban Nuns from wearing their silly clothes

[thesheriff443]

Nearly all types of ''SHARE and LIKE'' annoy me

crosses off wife swap party:joker:

[Tom4784]

We live in a free country, if someone chooses to wear a Burkha then they can wear a Burkha. The only thing I'll say about it is that it should have the same restrictions that any other face obscuring clothes have placed upon them.

[Roy Mars III]

quote this post ten times if you love Jesus and don't care who knows

[Brother Leon]

lol

so you views are the ones we should listen too based on who you know?


:joker:

Where did I say that?

I'm showing how easy it is generalise a whole religion. Keep up x

[Redway]

Can't even begin to imagine why anybody would want to wrap themselves in ugly bin bags all day long but as has been said on here Britain's a free country and it's not up to us to tell them to not wear them because they're not very aesthetically pleasing. Let them wear what they want.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

If the person who posted this is being forced to wear one then I agree with the post 100%but if its just some "political" party trying to get attention by being ignorant then yes I disagree.

How about we ban the socks and sandals extravaganza, that is way more offensive.

[Nedusa]

Salman is mostly right though so not sure why he's being bashed.


Salman...you are arguing with someone/People who knows very little about the topic. Why waste your time? I find a lot of the people who make these assumptions on Muslims or what the religion means haven't spent much time with Muslims at all. I can find places of inequality or prejudice or bullying from parents towards their daughter from almost any country or culture. Personally the Muslim males I know are tremendously respectful towards women and my mother adores and loves having them around as a result so the generalisation works both ways..:laugh:

What an absolute crock of s*** , Muslim men force their women to do their bidding no debate no compromise just fcuking do what we say and no backchat .

Respectful of their women are you having a laugh ?

Their misguided religious teachings give them total control over all females in their family . The females are only treated with respect if they comply 100% to every request that the male family members make.

Do not come on this forum and preach about respect...!!!

[Ninastar]

kinda OT, but I think this kinda relates... not an official chart, but it's pretty accurate

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1975245_316880315129839_927044192_n.png

i don't think people realise that what they see/hear on TV isn't the only thing that goes on...