Cigarettes To Be Stripped Of Branding (3rd time lucky)

[arista]

Cigarettes To Be Stripped Of Branding
The Government performs a third U-turn on packaging after a report says thousands of children could be discouraged from smoking.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/11/28/273320/default/v1/australia-cigarettes-1-522x293.jpg
Down Under version

http://news.sky.com/story/1236588/cigarettes-to-be-stripped-of-branding


To help stop children getting into fags

[the truth]

that would be terrific if it is finally banned

[Glenn.]

I find this completely ridiculous. Children don't smoke because of the pretty boxes.

[Vicky.]

that would be terrific if it is finally banned

:laugh2: As if. The only way they could afford to do that would be to raise everyones taxes a hell of a lot..then I doubt people would be so after a total ban when they are paying an extra few grand a year in taxes :joker:

I agree though, if they are bothered about peoples health as claimed, then a ban would be the best way to go about it, but the tax money keeps that from happening IMO.

The government are already crapping their panties at the thought of how sucessful e-cigs have been in stopping people smoking, hence talks about making it illegal to use them in public places ;)

[Vicky.]

And I dont see what difference plain packaging would do when cigs are hidden away in shops and that now anyway?

If it stops even one child starting (which I doubt it will..but lets give it the benefit of the doubt) then its worthwhile...but it all seems rather pointless to me. Especially when in the next breath they appear to be trying to get people to start smoking again so they can take their money

[smeagol]

I find this completely ridiculous. Children don't smoke because of the pretty boxes.

exactly lol , the fact they are now hidden and unbranded makes them even more attractive. no one wants to grab that pretty easter egg with the choc inside they want to hunt for the ones the easter bunny left hidden. lol

[Ramsay]

Hasen't this been talked about happening for years now? swear to god every 6 months or so this comes up

[arista]

Hasen't this been talked about happening for years now? swear to god every 6 months or so this comes up


Yes
Check the heading
"3rd Time Lucky"

[Smithy]

Is that keith Lemmon on the packet :conf2:

[Saph]

lmao I thought that

[arista]

Is that keith Lemmon on the packet :conf2:


No a Dead Smoker
Down Under

[anne666]

Ban it and have fun paying the lost £12 billion revenue is what I say.:dance:

[anne666]

:laugh2: As if. The only way they could afford to do that would be to raise everyones taxes a hell of a lot..then I doubt people would be so after a total ban when they are paying an extra few grand a year in taxes :joker:

I agree though, if they are bothered about peoples health as claimed, then a ban would be the best way to go about it, but the tax money keeps that from happening IMO.

The government are already crapping their panties at the thought of how sucessful e-cigs have been in stopping people smoking, hence talks about making it illegal to use them in public places ;)

Exactly.

[Niamh.]

Ban it and have fun paying the lost £12 billion revenue is what I say.:dance:

They'd have to lash a load of tax onto alcohol to try and compensate..........and many many other things

[the truth]

the money we collect in taxes is more than lost in the amount of money spent on treating the health of these millions of smokers. ban the advertising. let these addicts waste their money on other dumb products

[Vicky.]

the money we collect in taxes is more than lost in the amount of money spent on treating the health of these millions of smokers. ban the advertising. let these addicts waste their money on other dumb products

Thats untrue actually. Smokers pay in a lot more than they take out, as a whole. They die younger in general too..which means less expensive 24/7 care that comes with age related diseases is needed for that particular group. Oddly enough, its the same for obese people too..cost the NHS less than the average 'healthy' person. I suspect its probably the same for alcoholics too..

[the truth]

Thats untrue actually. Smokers pay in a lot more than they take out, as a whole. They die younger in general too..which means less expensive 24/7 care that comes with age related diseases is needed for that particular group. Oddly enough, its the same for obese people too..cost the NHS less than the average 'healthy' person. I suspect its probably the same for alcoholics too..

come off it vicky , there is no way on the planet you could get close to proving that enormous sweeping statement. you can calculate in an insteant how much is lost from the deaths of millions of people through smoking in lost productivity, GDP, work at the workplace, at home, raising kids, paying taxes , national insurance contributions, they too could have acted as carers for sick people too, you just have no idea how to measure the opportunity lost from millions of these people either dying younger or suffering premature serious health issues etc etc over decades?

clearly we need to get rid of this absurd advertitisng , save thousands maybe millions more lives, get a healthier society, capable of working and producing far more for far longer. the issue of pensions and care is a timebomb for a different day. and the way to try and help tackle that is NOT to carelessly allow or even actively encourage people to kill themselves with tobacco

[Vicky.]

come off it vicky , there is no way on the planet you could get close to proving that enormous sweeping statement. you can calculate in an insteant how much is lost from the deaths of millions of people through smoking in lost productivity, GDP, work at the workplace, at home, raising kids, paying taxes , national insurance contributions, they too could have acted as carers for sick people too, you just have no idea how to measure the opportunity lost from millions of these people either dying younger or suffering premature serious health issues etc etc over decades?

clearly we need to get rid of this absurd advertitisng , save thousands maybe millions more lives, get a healthier society, capable of working and producing far more for far longer. the issue of pensions and care is a timebomb for a different day. and the way to try and help tackle that is NOT to carelessly allow or even actively encourage people to kill themselves with tobacco Not in an instant no, but from years worth of research thats readily available on the internet...and a little bit of common sense too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9359212/Obese-and-smokers-less-of-a-burden-on-the-NHS-than-the-healthy-who-live-longer-report.html

Cost NHS less in long run...so saving money

http://bma.org.uk/working-for-change/improving-and-protecting-health/tobacco/smoking-statistics

2.7b cost to the NHS for smoking related illnesses
2.5b lost in sick leave and such

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

12.7b revenue from smokers

7.2 billion difference if I am not mistaken...so put in more than they take out, as I said.

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It would be nice to see everyone stop smoking, but its never going to happen. And the government certainly dont want to to either. Just watch this space, 2 years time or so e-cigs will be illegal all over the UK because they help many people to stop :wink:

Also I dont think I have ever seen cigarette advertising, ever :conf:

[joeysteele]

In some shops for a single pound or less you can get a 'pretty' case for loose cigs or one to put the whole packet in.

This is a waste of time in my view and a very poor token gesture.

If they were really serious as trying to stop people smoking they would at least double the price of cigarettes.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Is that keith Lemmon on the packet :conf2:

this :joker:

[Vicky.]

In some shops for a single pound or less you can get a 'pretty' case for loose cigs or one to put the whole packet in.

This is a waste of time in my view and a very poor token gesture.

If they were really serious as trying to stop people smoking they would at least double the price of cigarettes.

No, they would stop selling ciggies period. Raising the cost is stupid and greedy considering the revenue they already make.

And when ciggies are banned, we can start on alcohol..which ruins many more lives than smoking does. Then we can start banning cream cakes and such. Then the NHS can collapse under the weight of millions of OAPs with alzheimers, and everyone will be happy :D

[Samm]

Is that keith Lemmon on the packet :conf2:

:laugh:

[arista]

In some shops for a single pound or less you can get a 'pretty' case for loose cigs or one to put the whole packet in.

This is a waste of time in my view and a very poor token gesture.

If they were really serious as trying to stop people smoking they would at least double the price of cigarettes.


No I am with Vicky on this
if it stops a child from starting to smoke
then its well worth doing

[Vicky.]

I'm all for anything that helps people stop smoking/stops them starting by the way. Hence why I am really against the e-cig ban.

I just think its funny as **** to watch the government attempt to make out they want people to stop when they know fine well the country cant afford for people to stop.

[Vicky.]

Also I feel the need to point out that all the hoohah about kids not smoking..is more likely to make them smoke. Does noone remember being a teenager, where things that were bad were what you wanted o do the most? :laugh:

[the truth]

Not in an instant no, but from years worth of research thats readily available on the internet...and a little bit of common sense too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9359212/Obese-and-smokers-less-of-a-burden-on-the-NHS-than-the-healthy-who-live-longer-report.html

Cost NHS less in long run...so saving money

http://bma.org.uk/working-for-change/improving-and-protecting-health/tobacco/smoking-statistics

2.7b cost to the NHS for smoking related illnesses
2.5b lost in sick leave and such

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

12.7b revenue from smokers

7.2 billion difference if I am not mistaken...so put in more than they take out, as I said.

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It would be nice to see everyone stop smoking, but its never going to happen. And the government certainly dont want to to either. Just watch this space, 2 years time or so e-cigs will be illegal all over the UK because they help many people to stop :wink:

Also I dont think I have ever seen cigarette advertising, ever :conf:

eh? you dont watch formula one then?

[the truth]

the country cant afford for people to stop boozing, but we can afford for them to stop smoking

[Vicky.]

eh? you dont watch formula one then?Never :laugh:

Theres not actually that much difference in revenue from ciggies and alcohol. The country cant afford for everyone to stop either.

[the truth]

Never :laugh:

Theres not actually that much difference in revenue from ciggies and alcohol. The country cant afford for everyone to stop either.

that cannot possibly be true. i will check the figures when i have time

[user104658]

It will make very little difference, much like the covers in shops. If there's an adult left in the country who isn't yet aware that "smoking kills", then smoking is the least of their worries. They shouldn't be out on their own in public, as there's a very high chance that they'll simply wander into traffic... or possibly attempt to eat their own hands.

Unconcerned about the tax on them though. I say double the tax on both and lessen the tax burden elsewhere, or simply use it to reduce the deficit. You could definitely double the tax on alcohol and people would still drink just as much.

There's no reasonable or moral argument for NOT doing so, either. Getting pissed and filling your lungs with smoke is not a basic human right.

[joeysteele]

No, they would stop selling ciggies period. Raising the cost is stupid and greedy considering the revenue they already make.

And when ciggies are banned, we can start on alcohol..which ruins many more lives than smoking does. Then we can start banning cream cakes and such. Then the NHS can collapse under the weight of millions of OAPs with alzheimers, and everyone will be happy :D

Actually yes, a far better point, they would Vicky, I agree.

[InOne]

Let's put it this way - a concealed box behind a counter which apparently has dangerous things will only cause wonder to kids. It makes them a lot more curious than if they were actually just there. If people want to smoke they will, if they don't they won't. It's becoming an Orwellian society.

[joeysteele]

Let's put it this way - a concealed box behind a counter which apparently has dangerous things will only cause wonder to kids. It makes them a lot more curious than if they were actually just there. If people want to smoke they will, if they don't they won't. It's becoming an Orwellian society.

Absolutely spot on.
For instance,the closed sliding doors in supermarkets hiding cigarettes and tobacco have actually likely brought more attention to cigarettes from what I have heard from staff there.

[arista]

Let's put it this way - a concealed box behind a counter which apparently has dangerous things will only cause wonder to kids. It makes them a lot more curious than if they were actually just there. If people want to smoke they will, if they don't they won't. It's becoming an Orwellian society.



No young kids
will no longer get the brands
Hooked in their eyes.
they no longer want to smoke
as its got no brand


It works

[AnnieK]

I've never once met a smoker who chose their brand of cigs because of the packaging...

[Jordan.]

If you're idiotic enough to take up smoking in the first place I doubt a gross picture is gonna have any affect

[Jords]

If it bothered peopled theyd just buy some sort of cigarette holder and ditch the package upon purchase.

[arista]

I've never once met a smoker who chose their brand of cigs because of the packaging...


Of course not
by then they are older & so used to the
Trendy Deadly Smoking Packets.



This is about Future kids.


Think about it

[Nedusa]

I think all children at the age of nine should be forced to chain smoke a whole pkt of 20 cigs until they are violently sick.

Probably see the number of teenagers who take up smoking reduce drastically because of this.

Maybe a pint of whiskey as well ?

[Vicky.]

I think all children at the age of nine should be forced to chain smoke a whole pkt of 20 cigs until they are violently sick.

Probably see the number of teenagers who take up smoking reduce drastically because of this.

Maybe a pint of whiskey as well ?

...my mum tried this with me when she found out I smoked weed.

Her boyfriend always smoked it so the pair of them thought they would teach me a lesson...fed me joint after joint while getting me to drink straight vodka (as most people are ill when mixing alcohol and dope) but messed up a bit as they were doing the same hing, but they had less than me.

What happened was her and her boyfriend ended up passed out absolutely wrecked, and I ended up inviting my friends round to finish the vodka/weed :S

[Jords]

I think all children at the age of nine should be forced to chain smoke a whole pkt of 20 cigs until they are violently sick.

Probably see the number of teenagers who take up smoking reduce drastically because of this.

Maybe a pint of whiskey as well ?

Not sadistic at all.