should Maria Thriller be sacked and should we end MP self regulation ?

[waterhog]

should Maria Thriller be sacked and should we end MP self regulation ? 06.04.14

shame on you Maria
this is not at all green
118 has no fear
because you are not cheap like Maureen.
how dare you abuse
your own pocket lining
talk about a live fuse
yet again gone is the "Conservative" shinning.
all you done was claim
your position you did manipulate
blatant was your no shame
as you focused all on the calculate.
has Cameron backed a winner
public opinion seems to be anti
we can all see the sinner
living in luxury while our towns became "shanty".
don't worry about public frustration
you Conservatives are all in each others pocket
i am calling for a end to "self regulation"
and on forums i hope support does rocket.

( i tried to get this to the con party but have not yet received feedback on what i am asking for - nore do i think i will. just wanted to no does anyone feel sorry for Maria Miller ? ps the person who can point out my MJ contribution can we a bonus poem on what ever they want ? just tell me how i have brang in Micheal Jackson into this debate ? if you wanted to read what i am ranting about you can here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26908940 )

[Nedusa]

I agree, politicians are fundamentally dishonest and cannot be trusted to claim normal expenses. I think there should be depending on the location of the MP's constituency a fixed amount paid to each MP. This travelling money should be included in their salary.

Sad to think we have to do this because we have zero trust in our elected leaders.

[joeysteele]

No, I don't think she should resign or even be sacked but not because I think she is good at her job or deserves to be a Minister.

Politics sadly is brought into disrepute by MPs of al parties, here is another.
We are told she has apologised and that is that, well in fact she only apologised because she was told to,there would have probably been no apology for anything at all from her voluntarily.
We are then told she hasn't really done anything wrong, incredible.
How can it be that you haven't claimed anything you shouldn't have and therefore done nothing wrong but yet you have to pay back £5,800.

You really couldn't make it up the way some MPs can get their wrongdoings dressed up.

Should she be sacked or resign, no I say, leave her there and let her be a focal point right through to the next election as to this.
Her arrogance is beyond belief to me.

Also she is not the only one still serving in Govt either, David Laws enjoys a nice little position again in Govt,again appointed by David Cameron, despite his deceit on expenses as well.

If any ordinary person had acquired around £6,000 they shouldn't have,had also been uncooperative with the people investigating same too, then even with an apology and paying money back they would still almost for sure end up being sacked and up in court for the matter.

Maria Miller is yet another example of the very bad judgement and misguided loyalties of this PM, David Cameron, so for me, leave her as a Minister and let people everytime she comes on TV recall what she has done and who supports her.

No wonder Grant Schapps and the PM say it should be the end of the matter and it's time to move on, however they would not, either of them, be saying that were this a Labour MP in Govt.
More sheer hypocrisy and weak leadership from Cameron again.

[arista]

"No, I don't think she should resign"


This is a telegraph paper fight
over what a tape of a assistant to her telling the paper off.
so sack her

Take that away its dead.


Well Done Hog
a Proper Link

[Vicky.]

If she is sacked..then they need to sack the hundreds before her who have done the very same thing. And the hundreds who will continue to do it as they can get away with it.

There needs to be strict guidelines in place for expense accounts, and an independant body reviewing them on a very regular basis. I would go for anyone caught fiddling from X date is sacked or treat the same way that a normal person fiddling their taxes to the same amount (for example) would be.

And if the mass fraud continues, then scrap expenses. I see no reason for the taxpayer to be funding full english breakfasts at expensive hotels and such tbh...

[waterhog]

No, I don't think she should resign or even be sacked but not because I think she is good at her job or deserves to be a Minister.

Politics sadly is brought into disrepute by MPs of al parties, here is another.
We are told she has apologised and that is that, well in fact she only apologised because she was told to,there would have probably been no apology for anything at all from her voluntarily.
We are then told she hasn't really done anything wrong, incredible.
How can it be that you haven't claimed anything you shouldn't have and therefore done nothing wrong but yet you have to pay back £5,800.

You really couldn't make it up the way some MPs can get their wrongdoings dressed up.

Should she be sacked or resign, no I say, leave her there and let her be a focal point right through to the next election as to this.
Her arrogance is beyond belief to me.

Also she is not the only one still serving in Govt either, David Laws enjoys a nice little position again in Govt,again appointed by David Cameron, despite his deceit on expenses as well.

If any ordinary person had acquired around £6,000 they shouldn't have,had also been uncooperative with the people investigating same too, then even with an apology and paying money back they would still almost for sure end up being sacked and up in court for the matter.

Maria Miller is yet another example of the very bad judgement and misguided loyalties of this PM, David Cameron, so for me, leave her as a Minister and let people everytime she comes on TV recall what she has done and who supports her.

No wonder Grant Schapps and the PM say it should be the end of the matter and it's time to move on, however they would not, either of them, be saying that were this a Labour MP in Govt.
More sheer hypocrisy and weak leadership from Cameron again.


love this post agree with all of it. also agree if anyone else had done it it would be a diffrent story yet they want to brush this under the carpet and move on.


shame on this lady. i don't like people that judge ( hence my dot cotton quotes) but i am sick to death of MPS.

[the truth]

yes and yes

[Kizzy]

They have sacked MPs for less but they weren't ministers... or conservative.
It's ironic that this happened in the same week as IDS vowed to take houses from fraudulent welfare claimants.

[the truth]

They have sacked MPs for less but they weren't ministers... or conservative.
It's ironic that this happened in the same week as IDS vowed to take houses from fraudulent welfare claimants.

it certainly is
just like bent cops, corrupt nurses and useless health boards, these people MUST NO be allowed to investigate themselves. even the bankers went the same way. there MUST be rigid indepent organization 100% seperate who investigate these endless matetrs of corruption

[waterhog]

you speak the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.


is that a pun ?

[the truth]

you speak the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.


is that a pun ?

yes it is but only to untruthful people

[joeysteele]

love this post agree with all of it. also agree if anyone else had done it it would be a diffrent story yet they want to brush this under the carpet and move on.


shame on this lady. i don't like people that judge ( hence my dot cotton quotes) but i am sick to death of MPS.

Thank you waterhog, I appreciate your comment there.

I also agree it is shame on this 'lady?.
For all the way she has handled this issue both during the process of investigation into her and after it too.

[waterhog]

yes it is but only to untruthful people

my nose is growing. :elephant:

[Livia]

We shouldn't even be having this discussion, she should have gone immediately. If I stole over five grand from work I'd be arrested. Every MP that fiddles should be arrested and charged. If IPSA wasn't so concerned with policing MP's staff and counting *******ing paper clips and instead concentrated on what they're there for, thieving scum like this woman would be awaiting trial.

[Crimson Dynamo]

still, she had a great attitude when confronted...

[Livia]

I want to see her "great attitude" convincing another employer to trust her.

She is a public servant. Nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes they forget that. Sometimes WE forget that.

[waterhog]

We shouldn't even be having this discussion, she should have gone immediately. If I stole over five grand from work I'd be arrested. Every MP that fiddles should be arrested and charged. If IPSA wasn't so concerned with policing MP's staff and counting *******ing paper clips and instead concentrated on what they're there for, thieving scum like this woman would be awaiting trial.

livia you held back livia - would have hated for you to speak your mind or let off steam - carlm down dear your heart has to recover :spin:

[user104658]

We shouldn't even be having this discussion, she should have gone immediately. If I stole over five grand from work I'd be arrested. Every MP that fiddles should be arrested and charged. If IPSA wasn't so concerned with policing MP's staff and counting *******ing paper clips and instead concentrated on what they're there for, thieving scum like this woman would be awaiting trial.

I was thinking this, if I stole £500 from my work I'd be out on my arse... £5000 and I'd be facing charges. But then I realised what the difference is - I'd be taking money from the profits of a private company (unforgivable!!) whereas they're just taking money from the tax pot. And after all, what is it there for other than for them to feed off of? It's just public money.

Then again... take a look at what happens to a benefits claimant who fraudulently claims £5000. And there's really no difference, then. What are MP's expenses other than benefits?

[waterhog]

good points toy - one rule for one and one for us - its got to change.

[Livia]

livia you held back livia - would have hated for you to speak your mind or let off steam - carlm down dear your heart has to recover :spin:

Quite rude.

I was thinking this, if I stole £500 from my work I'd be out on my arse... £5000 and I'd be facing charges. But then I realised what the difference is - I'd be taking money from the profits of a private company (unforgivable!!) whereas they're just taking money from the tax pot. And after all, what is it there for other than for them to feed off of? It's just public money.

Then again... take a look at what happens to a benefits claimant who fraudulently claims £5000. And there's really no difference, then. What are MP's expenses other than benefits?

I don't work for a private employer I work for the government. And I can assure you that if I fiddled £5000 worth of cash or goods I would be arrested, and rightly so. She should have been arrested and charged with fraud. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

If a benefit claimant fraudulently claims money, they should be charged too. Two rights don't make a wrong... and the government have to underline that by making sure their own MPs don't get away with it and demonstrate we're all equal under the law.

[arista]

good points toy - one rule for one and one for us - its got to change.


Yes Change.


Take away Expenses

[Livia]

theres a similar story of someone who allegedly did this at a council , in fact hes the chief executive and he hasnt been sacked livia? it seems some eople who work for the state are untouchable.....are we become stalinists or what?

I have never heard this story. Which council does it concern?

[Livia]

Yes I see. A pension payment anomaly. I think the key phrase here is ""It is not an investigation into the conduct of any individual member of staff.". It's not the same thing as the MP's expenses question at all.

[the truth]

Yes I see. A pension payment anomaly. I think the key phrase here is ""It is not an investigation into the conduct of any individual member of staff.". It's not the same thing as the MP's expenses question at all.

you havent read the whole story there are other charges

[waterhog]

Quite rude.



I don't work for a private employer I work for the government. And I can assure you that if I fiddled £5000 worth of cash or goods I would be arrested, and rightly so. She should have been arrested and charged with fraud. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

If a benefit claimant fraudulently claims money, they should be charged too. Two rights don't make a wrong... and the government have to underline that by making sure their own MPs don't get away with it and demonstrate we're all equal under the law.


sorry livia - i did not mean to be rude i was making a joke of that you speak your mind and say it as it is - i praise this.

sorry for misinterpretation.

[Kizzy]

Humour is an odd concept isn't it? :laugh: It's not going away is it? 82% of voters want her gone.... ooooh errr, looks like not many 'ave maria'?

[joeysteele]

Humour is an odd concept isn't it? :laugh: It's not going away is it? 82% of voters want her gone.... ooooh errr, looks like not many 'ave maria'?

I actually don't want her gone, I want her left there, supported strongly by this PM who has amassed criticism endlessly for his judgements.

Let her go on until the 2015 election as a reminder to the electorate as to the priorities of this Govt. and the people they support and raise up too.

Let her actions,her waste of time as an apology and her arrogance be there for all to see and remember all through the 2015 election campaign.

[Kizzy]

Oh it will be buried under a mountain of spin though by the media circus well before then, that's my worry. It's gaffe after gaffe, dodgy dealing and self regulation....Which basically means they do what they like and then cover it up.

[Vicky.]

Oh it will be buried under a mountain of spin though by the media circus well before then, that's my worry. It's gaffe after gaffe, dodgy dealing and self regulation....Which basically means they do what they like and then cover it up.

Trying that one already...headlines about cracking down on benefit fraud and such are appearing. Need to direct peoples anger back onto those who deserve it, instead of MPs ;)

[the truth]

the ONLY reason they aint sacked her is because they know many of them have done as bad or worse and are hoping not to be further exposed

[Kizzy]

Trying that one already...headlines about cracking down on benefit fraud and such are appearing. Need to direct peoples anger back onto those who deserve it, instead of MPs ;)

Why can nobody see it amounts to the same thing? fraud is fraud :conf: ....

[Vicky.]

Why can nobody see it amounts to the same thing? fraud is fraud :conf: ....

Ask IDS who is standing by maria miller whilst getting mad about the odd benefit claimant getting an extra 20 quid a week or whatever (more often due to error than actual fraud, but treated the same) :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Oh it will be buried under a mountain of spin though by the media circus well before then, that's my worry. It's gaffe after gaffe, dodgy dealing and self regulation....Which basically means they do what they like and then cover it up.

Good point Kizzy but I recall Jacqui Smith never could, and in fact still hasn't shaken off the issues she had.

Mud sometimes sticks and there are a fair few of the press after Maria Miller too.
One can hope.:hugesmile:

[arista]

Ask IDS who is standing by maria miller whilst getting mad about the odd benefit claimant getting an extra 20 quid a week or whatever (more often due to error than actual fraud, but treated the same) :laugh:



Loads are standing by maria


Tebbit is nearly dead - he is well out of politics

[joeysteele]

Loads are standing by maria

Tebbit is nearly dead - he is well out of politics

Well that says everything about them and little about anyone else.
That really just shows the arrogant and wrong priorities some have in my view.

She is now as far as I can see a toxic MP and if they don't realise that soon a big price will likely be paid for her actions.

[waterhog]

Ask IDS who is standing by maria miller whilst getting mad about the odd benefit claimant getting an extra 20 quid a week or whatever (more often due to error than actual fraud, but treated the same) :laugh:

love this point - pot and kettle springs to mind.

[arista]

She has Now Resigned
saying it was a distraction she did not want.

Maybe the next one will be another Labour MP

[Nedusa]

Can you name one politician caught in a public scandal like this who didn't resign ?

[arista]

Can you name one politician caught in a public scandal like this who didn't resign ?


No
not off my head

[Crimson Dynamo]

she had to go before todays pmqs as there is more good news about economy today and it would have been all about her

[waterhog]

to get all the perks - she has to go now - the anger will build and build but as they are all at it - it will be under the carpet when the next one comes along. and there is sure to be a next one as they can not help themselves.

the only way this will stop is to scrap all expenses and they have to join the rest of the working nation and pay there own way. after all staring wage of 66 k is not to hard done by.

[arista]

to get all the perks - she has to go now - the anger will build and build but as they are all at it - it will be under the carpet when the next one comes along. and there is sure to be a next one as they can not help themselves.

the only way this will stop is to scrap all expenses and they have to join the rest of the working nation and pay there own way. after all staring wage of 66 k is not to hard done by.

Hog
you can edit your heading " Maria Thriller Resigns"

[waterhog]

i am not going back to the future my darling arista.

[joeysteele]

Good riddance I say.

[arista]

Good riddance I say.


Nasty

[arista]

i am not going back to the future my darling arista.


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[Livia]

Loads are standing by maria


Tebbit is nearly dead - he is well out of politics

I was at a lunch last year with Tebbit. I can report he is very much alive and serving in the House of Lords. He was right to call for her resignation, how the current government can't see that is beyond me. It's like Cameron only ever opens his mouth to change feet.

[arista]

The Fecking Labour leader wasted all his questions on this woman
even though the PM has moved on.
Live on all news

[anne666]

They should be automatically sacked, arrested and charged and live in the real bloody world with the people they represent. They may think twice about breaking the law! The whole expenses debacle needs to be seriously addressed too. It's all a damn disgrace.

[joeysteele]

The Fecking Labour leader wasted all his questions on this woman
even though the PM has moved on.
Live on all news

I am glad he did, the only thing I was irritated at with Ed Miliband was that in response to David Cameron going on about her apologising.
Ed Miliband didn't pull him up as to the fact she only apologised because 'she was told to',she likely would never have done so voluntarily.

Of course, just as David Cameron used PMQs to get at Gordon Brown at the time of the expenses scandal, Miliband was obviously going to go at this,sadly he never gets any answers from this PM on anything.
This whole issue with Maria Miller, has again exposed the bad judgement and weak leadership of David Cameron and that needs to be exposed a lot more than it already is.

She has to pay back £5.800 for her wrongdoing and by resigning she gets another handsome pay off for doing wrong.
Unbelievable.