Britain's youngest parents: he is 13 , she is 12

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/4/15/302727/default/v1/the-sun-1-329x437.jpg

The pair, whose combined age is 25,
cannot be named for legal reasons
They 'intend to stick together and bring
their daughter up together'
At 27, the girl's mother, is also now one
of UK's youngest grandmothers]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605672/Britains-youngest-parents-Mother-12-gives-birth-7lb-baby-girl-falling-pregnant-primary-school-boy-aged-13.html#ixzz2z0ow9dPK


Young Granny
as well






Life In The Fast Lane

[Me. I Am Salman]

omg she's probably one of the first mothers to be born in the 2000s

[Jessica.]

:umm2: That is disgusting, they should do a DNA test to find out if that guy is really the father too. Parents really need to raise their children better, her mother must be extremely uneducated. My oldest niece is 11 and she hasn't even does as much as hug a boy yet. :nono:

[Firewire]

hope they gave the baby a good name

[Jessica.]

hope they gave the baby a good name

Barbii Shantel

[Jords]

Jesus Christ.



No thats not the name suggestion.

[lostalex]

Children from girls under 15 should be automatically taken into state custody and put up for adoption. I feel horrible for this child. How the **** can 12 and 13 yo's take care of a child? They can't. the child should be taken from them immediately.

[arista]

Children from girls under 15 should be automatically taken into state custody and put up for adoption. I feel horrible for this child. How the **** can 12 and 13 yo's take care of a child? They can't. the child should be taken from them immediately.


Do they do that now in California?

[lostalex]

Do they do that now in California?

no, most Californians would sensibly terminate the pregnancy before it got to this point.

and where did these pictures come from? clearly these children's parents are now SELLING pictures to the tabloids.

[arista]

no, most Californians would sensibly terminate the pregnancy before it got to this point.


The would upset the Bible Folks

[lostalex]

The would upset the Bible Folks

what bible folks? the bible doesn't say anything about abortion.

[arista]

Those that will never harm baby's

[lostalex]

Those that will never harm baby's

I can't think of anything more harmful to a baby than being raised by a 12 y/o.

[arista]

I can't think of anything more harmful to a baby than being raised by a 12 y/o.


They do it in Africa

[lostalex]

They do it in Africa

Africa is doing well?

[Kyle]

Pregnant at primary school :hugesmile:

Hope this doesn't impact her school work making paper mâché tigers and reading Mr men books.

[Crimson Dynamo]

disgusting child abuse

[Ninastar]

Disgusting... This is so wrong! The mother of this child doesn't even have an education herself! I don't think these kids should be raising a baby at all. I kind of agree about it needing to be taken away...

I blame the parents of these kids though. Allowing your child to sleep around at that age is so wrong... I bet none of them have had 'the talk'.

Crazy

[arista]

Africa is doing well?



It is in the Places that China has moved in
and employs the Locals to dig out the metal.
And build roads for Trucks to move
stocks to ports.


All thus
helping China build more and more Electronics
for American Apple and other big companies
as they have the most Metals in stock
used for electrics.

[T*]

Rancid.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Congrats

[lostalex]

It is in the Places that China has moved in
and employs the Locals to dig out the metal.
And build roads for Trucks to move
stocks to ports.


All thus
helping China build more and more Electronics
for American Apple and other big companies
as they have the most Metals in stock
used for electrics.

I don't see what any of that has to do with protecting children.

[Kazanne]

This is wrong imo,but to say because they are kids they will be crap parents is wrong too,none of us know their level of maturity,why would you just take a child off them due to their age? many children stay with so called 'adults' and die at their hands,it shouldn't have happened in the first place ,but it has ,so lets hope they go on to be good parents to this child,I am sure they will have the support of their parents and immediate family too and I am sure they will be monitored.

[lostalex]

This is wrong imo,but to say because they are kids they will be crap parents is wrong too,none of us know their level of maturity,why would you just take a child off them due to their age? many children stay with so called 'adults' and die at their hands,it shouldn't have happened in the first place ,but it has ,so lets hope they go on to be good parents to this child,I am sure they will have the support of their parents and immediate family too and I am sure they will be monitored.

have you ever met a 12 y/o you thought was capable of raising an infant?

[Kazanne]

have you ever met a 12 y/o you thought was capable of raising an infant?

I have an 11 year old nearly,and she is wonderful with her smaller brothers and although this should not have happened at such a young age I think it's unfair to judge them solely on their age,we all know its wrong,but its done,besides some 40 year olds cannot parent properly,there was something happened like this a few years ago,everyone said they would be awful parents,but they are still together and bringing their child up,it's not an ideal situation,but it can work.

[lostalex]

I have an 11 year old nearly,and she is wonderful with her smaller brothers and although this should not have happened at such a young age I think it's unfair to judge them solely on their age,we all know its wrong,but its done,besides some 40 year olds cannot parent properly,there was something happened like this a few years ago,everyone said they would be awful parents,but they are still together and bringing their child up,it's not an ideal situation,but it can work.

having an 11 y/o that watches her sister sometimes is not the same as a 12 y/o being a parent.

The truth is, the grandparents are going to end up being the parents. and based on how they raised their own daughter, i don't think they'll be much better as grandparents than they were as parents for this new child.

[MTVN]

Probably doesn't bode well that the girls mother herself is only 27 so had her daughter when she was 15, they're getting younger all the time

[lostalex]

Probably doesn't bode well that the girls mother herself is only 27 so had her daughter when she was 15, they're getting younger all the time

exactly. at some point, someone needs to break the cycle. even if it is the government.

[Ninastar]

having an 11 y/o that watches her sister sometimes is not the same as a 12 y/o being a parent.

The truth is, the grandparents are going to end up being the parents. and based on how they raised their own daughter, i don't think they'll be much better as grandparents to this new child.

Well said.

God, I thought I was good with kids (I'm 20) and I had to deal with a crying baby yesterday for 2 hours or so and I thought I was losing my mind.

I can't even imagine what an 11 year old would do in that position. I don't think any 11 year old can deal with something so stressful. I think it's abuse for the poor baby having an 11 year old mother... It's just so wrong.

[Kizzy]

http://blog.devnos.com/img/posts/think_of_the_children.jpg


It's unfortunate but as said hopefully the family will rally round, it's not a damning indictment on society.

[Ammi]

..it doesn't really sit well that her mum said that they were in a long term relationship for a year..so at 11yrs old, a parent didn't discourage and allowed a 'long term' relationship with a 12 yr old and his parents did as well..?...I know that they will probably get much support and care from the authorities to raise the child but I do wonder if it is the best thing and whether it is also a good use of stretched resources when there are so many children in awful situations that need those resources...

[Kazanne]

Well we all know it's not the done thing,but just taking her away from them imo is not the answer.

[Kizzy]

They can't have realised how far the relationship had 'progressed'... I wouldn't have.
Why would they need more resources from authorities than the average family?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The baby should have been aborted - sad as it is

[Ammi]

..I think that if you don't 'realise' what your 11 yr old child is doing when it's something so important as having sex, then really there is a communication issue and a parenting issue and I would question what support and guidance the child and grandchild will get in reality...having said that, it is what it is and can't be undone so I hope the best is done for the mum/father and baby and they get the support they need...


EDIT:..oh and welfare will intervene, they will have to have a 'care plan' because the parents are both children and legally obliged to continue education...

[Firewire]

The baby should have been aborted - sad as it is

I think they should have given it up for adoption

[Kizzy]

..I think that if you don't 'realise' what your 11 yr old child is doing when it's something so important as having sex, then really there is a communication issue and a parenting issue and I would question what support and guidance the child and grandchild will get in reality...having said that, it is what it is and can't be undone so I hope the best is done for the mum/father and baby and they get the support they need...


EDIT:..oh and welfare will intervene, they will have to have a 'care plan' because the parents are both children and legally obliged to continue education...

Who sits and watches their 11yr olds in case they have sex?.... nobody.
Oh... and I know they will but there's no reason why education can't continue.

[Ninastar]

I think they should have given it up for adoption

me too... thinking of all the families in the UK alone that would do anything to have a baby, yet these two are having kids at this age... She'll have another within a few years, I'd bet my car on it.

[Kazanne]

My best friend gave birth at just 15,she is a wonderful mom,she has a part time job and has settled with the father,its not so black and white as "oh,take it off her",who are we to judge who are good parents.

[Ammi]

Who sits and watches their 11yr olds in case they have sex?.... nobody.Oh... and I know they will but there's no reason why education can't continue.

..of course not but there is a huge difference between that and allowing a 'serious relationship' of your 11yr old child to continue...

[lostalex]

My best friend gave birth at just 15,she is a wonderful mom,she has a part time job and has settled with the father,its not so black and white as "oh,take it off her",who are we to judge who are good parents.

Did your friend take on the entire burden of raising that child? including have her own place, paying her own bills, and care for the child full time? or did she put a lot of that burden on her parents?

[lostalex]

Who sits and watches their 11yr olds in case they have sex?.... nobody.
Oh... and I know they will but there's no reason why education can't continue.

my parents were very diligent about who i was with and where i was when i was 11. the fact that you don't think that is a normal quality of care for an 11 y/o disturbs me.

When i was 11 i couldn't even sneeze without my parents knowing about it.

[Kizzy]

..of course not but there is a huge difference between that and allowing a 'serious relationship' of your 11yr old child to continue...

Have you read the article? They had no idea the relationship was physical.

[Ammi]

..yeah, but that's the thing though, a parent of an 11yr old child shouldn't be comfortable with them having a 'serious relationship' because it would be naïve to assume it couldn't be physical...it seems like a complete lack of communication which isn't really encouraging of being the supportive family network that the parents and baby will need around them...

[Tom4784]

They're barely even teenagers, they will simply not cope with the responsibility. It would be better for them and the baby if it was put up for adoption otherwise the baby will most likely be neglected by the parents and end up being pawned off on the grandparents to raise. Kids just don't have the capacity to make good parents.

[lostalex]

They're barely even teenagers, they will simply not cope with the responsibility. It would be better for them and the baby if it was put up for adoption otherwise the baby will most likely be neglected by the parents and end up being pawned off on the grandparents to raise. Kids just don't have the capacity to make good parents.

i agree, and also it would be better for the parents (calling 12 and 13 y/o's parents just feels weird, but they are parents now) they can have a chance for a better life too. It seems like the best thing for everyone involved.

I have pity for all of the children involved with this story, all 3 of them.

[Ninastar]

i agree, and also it would be better for the parents (calling 12 and 13 y/o's parents just feels weird, but they are parents now) they can have a chance for a better life too. It seems like the best thing for everyone involved.

I have pity for all of the children involved with this story, all 3 of them.

its a shame because they arent even mature enough to make a decision as big as getting rid of the baby/putting it up for adoption etc...

I honestly blame bad parenting (of the 12/13 year olds parents...) because if they had paid closer attention, they would have realised what was going on.

[Samm]

:umm2:

[Z]

Tbh I don't know why people are making the "the grandparents will end up raising it" thing an issue - I know loads of people who were raised by their grandparents for a variety of reasons and they've all turned out to be well adjusted adults. Obviously it's not great that two kids had a baby together but clearly if they were both sexually mature at the ages of 11/12/13 then they're, at least biologically speaking, ahead of most kids their age so it's perhaps not surprising that their relationship turned physical. Nobody could have stopped that from happening; did anybody here's parents know when you lost your virginity? I'd guess not...

[Ramsay]

Jesus Christ.



No thats not the name suggestion.



I laughed way more than i was supposed to:joker:

[Nedusa]

Just let the great grandparents bring it up, after all they will probably only be in their early to mid forties.

[joeysteele]

Well we all know it's not the done thing,but just taking her away from them imo is not the answer.

I love all you have said on this threads as to this, so I won't add anything to it.

I agree with you, it is unfortunate it happened, the parents likely should have been more 'interested' in their children's relationship together.

However, they could prove to be good parents long term and although they need to have their education,it could well be that this child gets one of the soundest upbringings so no reason at all to take the child off them.

Obviously time will tell but as you pointed out you know someone who had a child at 15,people mature at different times.
These are likely to get a good lot of support from outside and inside their families,they seem to want to keep their relationship going and also be involved with the baby too.

Although it is sad this happened in the first place,I say good luck to them and this could even be a greater spur to them to both seek to do a lot more with their lives as to careers and education too,to not only for them but also helping in the building a strong future for this baby.

[Kazanne]

I love all you have said on this threads as to this, so I won't add anything to it.

I agree with you, it is unfortunate it haapened, the parents likely should have been more 'interested' in their children's relationship together.

However, they could prove to be good parents long term and although they need to have their education,it could well be that this child gets one the soundest upbringings so no reason at all to take the child off them.

Obviously time will tell but as you pointed out you know someone who had a child at 15,people mature at different times.
These are likely to get a good lot of support from outside and in side their families,they seem to want to keep their relationship going and also be involved with the baby too.

Although it is sad this happened in the first place,I say good luck to them and this could even be a greater spur to them to both seek to do a lot more with their lives as to careers and education too,to not only for them but also helping in the building a strong future for this baby.

I agree Joey it shouldn't have happened but it did,and who knows they might make really good parents ,lets hope so.

[Kizzy]

I listen to 'Heart' radio.. ( well I like it :idc: ) the father of the mother rang in recently and gave his side to the story, he reiterated it wasn't an ideal scenario but the family would rally. He seemed really stressed and upset about the condemnation the family had received, what a shame people have to be so judgemental.

[T*]

The baby looks like Kim Jong un

[Marc]

Congrats

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/19/article-2608275-1D25C1F200000578-773_634x625.jpg

[Caravan of love: Britain's youngest parents enjoyed
romantic beach break together just a month before
their baby was born and gave each
other 'True Love' bracelets
Mother, 12, and father, 13, became UK's youngest parents
last weekend
Pair took a break together in Clacton-on-Sea
a month before the birth
Stayed in caravan, bought a True Love bracelet,
and wrote names on beach]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608275/Caravan-love-Britains-youngest-parents-enjoyed-romantic-beach-break-just-month-baby-born-gave-True-Love-bracelets.html#ixzz2zLFN14X4


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[Marsh.]

If they keep up this tradition they could be great great grandparents in their 50s.

[Black Dagger]

Repulsive

[Tregard]

Hopefully that child's upbringing won't be affected.

[Z]

I'm not defending it but they're clearly sexually mature for their respective ages, they're definitely not children.

[Jake.]

aw how romantic

[arista]

I'm not defending it but they're clearly sexually mature for their respective ages, they're definitely not children.


Yes some young are that far ahead.

[Livia]

A twelve year old gives birth and people are accused of being 'judgemental'. Whatever next?

[Z]

Yes some young are that far ahead.

I mean I doubt they're ready for the responsibility of it, but then nothing can prepare you for what parenthood is like until you have a baby, no matter what age you are - but people terming the parents as 'children' I think is just simply incorrect. Children are not capable of having children. Young adults would be the term I'd go with.

[MTVN]

I think 'children' is pretty appropriate for a pre teen, she was still in bloody primary school when she conceived

[Z]

I think 'children' is pretty appropriate for a pre teen, she was still in bloody primary school when she conceived

If she's capable of getting pregnant by a boy of a similar age, I would not call them children. Obviously their actual ages is what's clouding this issue but there's no way I'd call someone a 'child' if they've hit puberty.

[MTVN]

If she's capable of getting pregnant by a boy of a similar age, I would not call them children. Obviously their actual ages is what's clouding this issue but there's no way I'd call someone a 'child' if they've hit puberty.

There's been cases of people having kids when they're as young as 8 or 9 though, maybe even younger, I don't think that being capable of conception alone means you are no longer a child

Edit - according to wiki the youngest ever mother was 5 years old

[Z]

There's been cases of people having kids when they're as young as 8 or 9 though, maybe even younger, I don't think that being capable of conception alone means you are no longer a child

I'd class being a child as being pre-pubescent. If you've not hit puberty but you're 13 or older, you're a teenager. It's obviously a grey area and totally pedantic :laugh: but I just don't think it's correct to call this couple children if they're capable of having a baby together.

[Jessica.]

:umm2: So, if an 8 year old girl is able to release an egg then she's not a child any more? :joker:

[Z]

:umm2: So, if an 8 year old girl is able to release an egg then she's not a child any more? :joker:

Arguably, yeah. Childhood isn't a definitive period of time that begins and ends on a certain date, neither is being a teenager or an adult. It's a transition that starts subtly and you only notice when the transition has finished. Generally speaking the word is used to describe pre-teens, because being a teenager is associated with puberty and transitioning into an adult. If somebody hits puberty earlier than most others, then they've started that transition earlier. I mean I'd probably still refer to that person as a child regardless of if they've hit puberty at the age of 8 or not but if that 8 year old got pregnant and had a baby, then no, I don't think it would be correct to keep referring to them as a child. Children don't have children.

[Me. I Am Salman]

An 11/12 year old is not the same as a 7 or 9 year old, it's a preteen :conf2: far more closer to a 13/14 year old

And those cases of 5 year olds or whatever getting pregnant are one off cases, so I don't know why people are debating over that lol

[Z]

My best friend hit puberty when he was in primary 6, he'd have been 10 years old. I didn't hit puberty until I was 14. His voice had deepened etc. We may have been the same age (we met when we were 12) but we were definitely not at the same point in life, biologically speaking. :shrug:

[Stu]

I'm not sure how to feel about this story. It's all a bit sad. Chances are it might not end well but if they end up giving it a go at parenting the child in their teen years then they have a lot more guts and ****ing balls than a lot of the people who indicted them, I'll say that much.

My heart goes out to them. Can't be easy. Obviously never, ever should have happened.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Oh and the baby should definitely not be taken away

[arista]

:umm2: So, if an 8 year old girl is able to release an egg then she's not a child any more? :joker:



No she is a Child

[Kizzy]

A twelve year old gives birth and people are accused of being 'judgemental'. Whatever next?

Yes I did accuse people of being judgemental, the horrible comments that the child would be better off adopted or worse terminated, that the parents were rubbish made me sick.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I agree with Kizzy

to all those saying she's just a child, what about the psychological damage the girl will have to endure if her baby is taken away? it's guaranteed child abuse

[AnnieK]

What I don't get though....is how it made the news? Patient records erc are confidential so someone has sold this story surely. That opens them up to judgement...good and bad

[Jack_]

Am I the only one that just...doesn't care...about stories like this? They're so rare and yet it's made out to be a nationwide pandemic and quite frankly I just think let the families deal with the issue, young parents aren't automatically awful either...another silly stereotype that people like to lap up

It's nothing to do with any of us and there are far bigger issues in the world than some 12 year old having a baby