61 year old Female Teacher Stabbed to Death by 15 year old boy (Leeds School)

[arista]

Just breaking


Shocking the teacher is now dead


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/4/28/305401/default/v4/9863319-1a-1-626x352.jpg

[Niamh.]

oh wow :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think they said Corpus Christi Catholic school?

[arista]

Some Schools need those machines
that detect weapons

[arista]

I think they said Corpus Christi Catholic school?


Yes

Catholic College

[Josy]

That's awful

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1250872/teacher-stabbed-to-death-at-leeds-school

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[smudgie]

How tragic.
This is one of my worst nightmares.

[Apple202]

oh god

[Loukas]

R.I.P :(

[Samm]

So sad :(

[Me. I Am Salman]

:o

[arista]

One pupil boy Jacob
just said on SkyNewsHD
the teacher never done anyone bad.


The 15 year old boy is now with Police.

So young to take a lady teachers Life

[Ammi]

..this is awful, I don't know the full story yet but violence in general in schools is really bad, it's not unusual to be hit out at even in a primary school by much younger children...

[Ninastar]

Disgusting. Bet he won't even get life because of his age

[GiRTh]

Just astonishing. WTF is a kid doing with a knife in school?

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/4/28/305399/default/v1/mrsmaguirethisone-1-402x293.jpg
The 61 year old teacher that was killed Anne Maguire. Pic: Corpus Christi RC College

She taught Spanish

[arista]

..this is awful, I don't know the full story yet but violence in general in schools is really bad, it's not unusual to be hit out at even in a primary school by much younger children...


Yes just last week SkyNewsHD
did special reports on Schools with trouble like this.


Some kids said the 15 year old told them
he was going to do her
but I assume no one thought he meant it.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/28/article-2614929-1D6CD87800000578-56_306x538.jpg

[AnnieK]

Good god....just awful.

[arista]

The police have the weapon
the 15 year old boy
stabbed her more than once.



She had been teaching for 40 years
one of the top teachers at that college

[Nedusa]

tragic story, since when did teaching carry that sort of risk.

Perhaps the actions of one seriously unstable pupil but unless actions give cause for concern how can anyone predict this type of attack.

[arista]

Just astonishing. WTF is a kid doing with a knife in school?


So many do , it appears
for protection.

Reported on Reports this year
On Newsnight and SkyNewsHD

[Cherie]

Poor woman, just going about her job, nobody should have to worry about being attacked at work, never mind attacked by a kid.

[MTVN]

I'm amazed the school carried on as normal for the rest of the day after it happened, dont know how the staff and pupils can be expected to continue normally after something like that

[Ammi]

I'm amazed the school carried on as normal for the rest of the day after it happened, dont know how the staff and pupils can be expected to continue normally after something like that

..we wouldn't be allowed to close the school without the authority from the Education Authority to do it but also I think they probably thought it was best for the students to keep busy and have something to focus on...

[AnnieK]

I'm amazed the school carried on as normal for the rest of the day after it happened, dont know how the staff and pupils can be expected to continue normally after something like that

Yeah...I thought that seemed weird.

[arista]

I'm amazed the school carried on as normal for the rest of the day after it happened, dont know how the staff and pupils can be expected to continue normally after something like that


Yes its was around mid day
but because the other teachers
held that 15 year old
until Police took him and the weapon
they had to carry on.

Some kids can not go home early

[arista]

Boy, 15, held over killing of 'devoted' teacher Anne Maguire, 61, in her classroom at Catholic secondary school described as 'strange' and 'depressed' by pupils

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614929/Female-teacher-dies-stabbed-Catholic-college-Leeds.html#ixzz30CoxKTjY


15 year old lad 'strange' and 'depressed'

Thats not good.

[Ammi]

..I don't think he could have been emotionally healthy to do what he did though...

[Jordan.]

:umm2: the students must be so shocked.

[arista]

..I don't think he could have been emotionally healthy to do what he did though...


Yes
its a shame the other kids he told
did not get the Head Teacher
he could have searched the 15 year old
and got the weapon.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/28/article-2614929-1D6D110500000578-435_964x372.jpg

[Kizzy]

Boy, 15, held over killing of 'devoted' teacher Anne Maguire, 61, in her classroom at Catholic secondary school described as 'strange' and 'depressed' by pupils

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614929/Female-teacher-dies-stabbed-Catholic-college-Leeds.html#ixzz30CoxKTjY


15 year old lad 'strange' and 'depressed'

Thats not good.

Lots of teens act strange and depressed, this teen was psychopathic :/

[Jordan.]

this made me laugh

He added: ‘He came to a party a few weeks ago and he took some paracetamol beforehand. He used to take drugs all the time.’

[arista]

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[Z]

How awful! I don't even know what to say, it's scary to think that working in a school could prove fatal...

[Nedusa]

Interesting to read about this lad and his background. Addicted to violent video games yet a good student in all subjects except Spanish (why was he taking spanish at that age ??).

Parents separated and in process of divorcing and this lad on anti depressants.

Also he had a long running hatred for this teacher...why ??

Perhaps this very popular teacher disliked this lad also, perhaps she bullied and/or humiliated him in her class you know the sort of bullying where you turn the whole class against this pupil because he is the worst in the class at that subject.

Perhaps she got the class to laugh at her jibes at him. On the day of the attack she had him doing the photo copying, perhaps this is what finally sent him over the edge. It may turn out he had the knife in his locker and retreived it on his way back to the classroom.

It may he only wanted to threaten her or humiliate her in front of the class to get his own back, but due to how long he had taken to do the photo copying maybe she berated him over that also and well as they say the rest is history.

So very sad that a teachers life is lost under such circumstances. I don't know how we can avoid such situations.

Apparently she had worked there for 40 years and was due to retire in 10 weeks.

[Josy]

Interesting to read about this lad and his background. Addicted to violent video games yet a good student in all subjects except Spanish (why was he taking spanish at that age ??).

Parents separated and in process of divorcing and this lad on anti depressants.

Also he had a long running hatred for this teacher...why ??

Perhaps this very popular teacher disliked this lad also, perhaps she bullied and/or humiliated him in her class you know the sort of bullying where you turn the whole class against this pupil because he is the worst in the class at that subject.

Perhaps she got the class to laugh at her jibes at him. On the day of the attack she had him doing the photo copying, perhaps this is what finally sent him over the edge. It may turn out he had the knife in his locker and retreived it on his way back to the classroom.

It may he only wanted to threaten her or humiliate her in front of the class to get his own back, but due to how long he had taken to do the photo copying maybe she berated him over that also and well as they say the rest is history.

So very sad that a teachers life is lost under such circumstances. I don't know how we can avoid such situations.

Apparently she had worked there for 40 years and was due to retire in 10 weeks.

What do you mean at that age?

I studied spanish in my school from age 11 through to age 16? :suspect:

Spanish and German were the only 2 languages we could choose then at our School..

[Nedusa]

What do you mean at that age?

I studied spanish in my school from age 11 through to age 16? :suspect:

Spanish and German were the only 2 languages we could choose then at our School..

I would have thought from the age of 14 to 16 he would have had some choice in the subjects he studied as these subjects would be the ones he would be taking GCSE O-Grades in (In theory)

And if we are being informed correctly he hated Spanish (was no good at it) so why was he still taking spanish at that age unless it was compulsory in that particular school.

[Me. I Am Salman]

because taking a modern foreign language at GCSE is now compulsory
and he wasn't exactly going to go for French when the school has made him do Spanish for the first three years

[Crimson Dynamo]

arent all school kids addicted to violent video games?

[arista]

arent all school kids addicted to violent video games?

some are
but not all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

some are
but not all.

even mario kart involves violence

[Niamh.]

Interesting to read about this lad and his background. Addicted to violent video games yet a good student in all subjects except Spanish (why was he taking spanish at that age ??).

Parents separated and in process of divorcing and this lad on anti depressants.

Also he had a long running hatred for this teacher...why ??

Perhaps this very popular teacher disliked this lad also, perhaps she bullied and/or humiliated him in her class you know the sort of bullying where you turn the whole class against this pupil because he is the worst in the class at that subject.

Perhaps she got the class to laugh at her jibes at him. On the day of the attack she had him doing the photo copying, perhaps this is what finally sent him over the edge. It may turn out he had the knife in his locker and retreived it on his way back to the classroom.

It may he only wanted to threaten her or humiliate her in front of the class to get his own back, but due to how long he had taken to do the photo copying maybe she berated him over that also and well as they say the rest is history.

So very sad that a teachers life is lost under such circumstances. I don't know how we can avoid such situations.

Apparently she had worked there for 40 years and was due to retire in 10 weeks.

That's a whole lot of speculating on why a 61 year old woman deserved to be stabbed to death :?

[Nedusa]

That's a whole lot of speculating on why a 61 year old woman deserved to be stabbed to death :?

Just trying to get inside the head of this lad, figure out under what sort of circumstances he would be pushed to commit an act of this nature.

There are always two sides to every story even a story like this.

[Niamh.]

Just trying to get inside the head of this lad, figure out under what sort of circumstances he would be pushed to commit an act of this nature.

There are always two sides to every story even a story like this.

Of course but is there really going to be a "good" reason for this outcome? I'm not sure

[Nedusa]

Of course but is there really going to be a "good" reason for this outcome? I'm not sure

No.......not at all

[Ammi]

Just trying to get inside the head of this lad, figure out under what sort of circumstances he would be pushed to commit an act of this nature.

There are always two sides to every story even a story like this.

..he wasn't necessarily 'pushed' though and if something did trigger the attack then it could have been the slightest thing that no one would be aware of...I think with the things that the other student shave said, it would be more consistent that it was nothing at all to anything she did or said because to me it wouldn't make sense that she would have the character that was so likeble with the students and the just target one child to be mean in some way to...that is much less 'logical'....

..I don't think I've ever raised my voice to a child at school but I've had things thrown at me, been kicked, punched and on occasions been sent home myself with injuries and it's because a child has been so frustrated either with themselves or with something else and I'm 'just there' and it's not unusual for a child to 'hit out' at the person that's there and also maybe represents what they are frustrated wit as in the school itself maybe..?..something else to do with it...and we all know that children can be violent toward their parents as well because of their own frustrations and not necessarily something the parent has done that they haven't liked....

..when you can 'see' frustrated aggressive reactions in a child, you can do something and help them/get outside help for them if needed but if he was a 'quiet, depressed' child and then no one would have any idea this sort of extreme could happen..

[Crimson Dynamo]

carry a knife and problems can arise

[Ammi]

carry a knife and problems can arise

..absolutely, any weapon and there's a possibility it will be used...

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/video/?videoid=3518789314001

[Kizzy]

carry a knife and problems can arise

I could carry a knife around all day and I can confidently say I wouldn't stab anyone.

[Me. I Am Salman]

when I was in year seven a boy in my year brought a knife in to school :umm2: he was excluded then came back in year eight :laugh:

[Livia]

when I was in year seven a boy in my year brought a knife in to school :umm2: he was excluded then came back in year eight :laugh:

I read that as "...he was executed..."

I was going to say, bloody hell Salman, that was one tough school.

[Me. I Am Salman]

:laugh2:
it was a pretty terrible school, I hear their last ofsted report was really bad

[Livia]

:laugh2:
it was a pretty terrible school, I hear their last ofsted report was really bad

Yeah, mine wasn't exactly Cheltenham Ladies College LOL... but luckily we turned out all right, right?

[Kizzy]

'
The teenage boy who repeatedly stabbed a teacher to death in a full classroom has been described as having held a deep grudge against her.

The 15-year-old boy remains in custody Tuesday following the fatal stabbing of the much-loved teacher.

Ann Maguire, a 61-year-old married mother of two who taught Spanish and religious education, was attacked shortly before noon by the boy who had said that he would “love for her to be dead”, classmates claimed.

The arrested boy, named widely on social media, has a Facebook profile that carries a picture of the Grim Reaper but lists no friends.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/29/anne-maguire-stabbed-teacher_n_5231059.html?ncid=webmail1

[Nedusa]

'
The teenage boy who repeatedly stabbed a teacher to death in a full classroom has been described as having held a deep grudge against her.

The 15-year-old boy remains in custody Tuesday following the fatal stabbing of the much-loved teacher.

Ann Maguire, a 61-year-old married mother of two who taught Spanish and religious education, was attacked shortly before noon by the boy who had said that he would “love for her to be dead”, classmates claimed.

The arrested boy, named widely on social media, has a Facebook profile that carries a picture of the Grim Reaper but lists no friends.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/29/anne-maguire-stabbed-teacher_n_5231059.html?ncid=webmail1

Judging by the picture we are now building up of this seriously deranged teenager, at least we can take some comfort out of the fact he did not acquire a gun come to school and murder all his classmates like the shootings we see all to regularly in American schools.

[Kizzy]

Yes he was a disturbed teen, that fact has never been in dispute. He fixated on this woman there is no suggestion he wanted to kill anyone else.

[Z]

I have to assume that at least to some extent she must have antagonised him if he was fixated on getting revenge for some perceived issue. It'd be odd for any tributes to say anything remotely negative about her, and I'm sure she was a much loved teacher, but I think the scenario posted earlier in the thread about her treating him like an idiot might be a reasonable explanation of what happened...

[Livia]

I have to assume that at least to some extent she must have antagonised him if he was fixated on getting revenge for some perceived issue. It'd be odd for any tributes to say anything remotely negative about her, and I'm sure she was a much loved teacher, but I think the scenario posted earlier in the thread about her treating him like an idiot might be a reasonable explanation of what happened...

But you're not in any way suggesting she brought it on herself, right?

[Tom4784]

From what I've heard he was quite a disturbed individual which reminds me of school shootings in America. Like them, it could have probably been avoided. It's a very sad situation.

[Ninastar]

Not being funny but when kids act up in class, you do ignore/embarrass them to make them stop. I can imagine she might have been one of the best teachers at controlling him and he didn't like it so when she did tell him off again, he acted out ...

Not saying that's what happened, but I can easily imagine it.

[Nedusa]

Not being funny but when kids act up in class, you do ignore/embarrass them to make them stop. I can imagine she might have been one of the best teachers at controlling him and he didn't like it so when she did tell him off again, he acted out ...

Not saying that's what happened, but I can easily imagine it.

Yes.......quite possible. she may have thought wrongly that because he didn't shout or argue back at her she had the upper hand. She may have even used her position as teacher to influence the other pupils in supporting her comments jibes to him.

This could have been her fatal mistake as this deranged teenager slowly built up an intense psychopathic hatred of her and like a pressure cooker he finally exploded in murderous rage at her after one perceived humiliation too many resulting in this knife attack.

[Crimson Dynamo]

bullies always pick on those who wont fight back.

[MTVN]

Lots of 15 year olds get stupid ideas in their heads about how some teachers have grudges against them, I seriously doubt this teacher will have done anything unduly provocative

[Marsh.]

How the hell have we leaped towards the teacher "humiliating/bullying" him? :suspect:

I think people are looking at it all "rationally", there must be some deep cause, the victim must have done something very hurtful to get such a response, but really behaviour like that is completely irrational. Anything will set them off. Just as a rapist would say a lady in a skirt was asking for it, it's completely barmy/warped minds twisting reality.

[Ammi]

..I didn't read anything in that article that suggests she was a bully in any way or that she abused her position..'he' had attempted suicide..'he' had said he would like her dead..'he' had said he carried a knife..'he' and his brother never replied when neighbours said hello...I think there are lots of signs of an emotionally unhealthy minds that possible weren't alerted to anyone...?...the is nothing to suggest anything about her character other than she was very popular...maybe it's best to wait until the trial and what we know before making these remarks and speculations about her character...

[Josy]

The poor woman is dead at the hands of this kid and all of a sudden with no indications to assume it she's a bully, she was harassing him etc...

I have no words.

[arista]

"The arrested boy, named widely on social media, has a Facebook profile that carries a picture of the Grim Reaper but lists no friends. "


to young to be like that

[Nedusa]

Josy - Your signature picture of the Llama cracks me up...best picture in yonks

[smudgie]

Perhaps he had a fixation with her and could not handle sharing her, obsession can turn to hatred.

Whatever the reason, this is so sad.

[Ammi]

"The arrested boy, named widely on social media, has a Facebook profile that carries a picture of the Grim Reaper but lists no friends. "


to young to be like that



...there seemed to be lots of things quite worrying and other people knew about them but I wonder if anything was reported to anyone..?..also if he was carrying a knife, I think it may have been more 'premeditated..'...

[arista]

...there seemed to be lots of things quite worrying and other people knew about them but I wonder if anything was reported to anyone..?..also if he was carrying a knife, I think it may have been more 'premeditated..'...


Yes and other pupils knew that
but did not contact the Head Teacher
I assume they thought he would not do it?

[Ammi]

Yes and other pupils knew that
but did not contact the Head Teacher
I assume they thought he would not do it?

...I guess so, but it's not something that generally people say, that they would like someone to be dead and he had 'no friends' and was thought of as a 'weird' type kid..there's no blame on people for not reading them but it seems possible that all the 'signs' were there...

[Nedusa]

...there seemed to be lots of things quite worrying and other people knew about them but I wonder if anything was reported to anyone..?..also if he was carrying a knife, I think it may have been more 'premeditated..'...

He may have already hidden the knife in the school perhaps in a locker and used the opportunity to retrieve it when he was out of the class photocopying. Maybe this was premeditated to a degree but to kill her I'm not sure that's how he saw it ending.

What a sad and dangerous concoction of youngsters we have these days. A mixture of lack of discipline, no enforceable authority from anywhere other than parents. 24 hour access to hard core Killing Video games, liberal dispensation of drugs anti-depressants/tranquilisers to children, questionable food additives, extreme pressure to do well and succeed at all costs, not enough jobs at the end of the college/training....etc etc

Is it any wonder a few go completely off the rails under these conditions.

Maybe as a society a bit of soul searching and reflectiveness may be a good thing as this poor lady should have had a more than reasonable expectation when she set out for work on Monday morning that she would return home on Monday evening.

Tragedy for all concerned.

[Ammi]

He may have already hidden the knife in the school perhaps in a locker and used the opportunity to retrieve it when he was out of the class photocopying. Maybe this was premeditated to a degree but to kill her I'm not sure that's how he saw it ending.

What a sad and dangerous concoction of youngsters we have these days. A mixture of lack of discipline, no enforceable authority from anywhere other than parents. 24 hour access to hard core Killing Video games, liberal dispensation of drugs anti-depressants/tranquilisers to children, questionable food additives, extreme pressure to do well and succeed at all costs, not enough jobs at the end of the college/training....etc etc

Is it any wonder a few go completely off the rails under these conditions.

Maybe as a society a bit of soul searching and reflectiveness may be a good thing as this poor lady should have had a more than reasonable expectation when she set out for work on Monday morning that she would return home on Monday evening.

Tragedy for all concerned.


..I think if you stab someone in the neck several times, then it's likely what the ending will be and to do that is a very disturbed mental state...and that isn't kind of a 'decade' thing it's an individual thing..I would say most teenagers play video games and they don't do what he did...and I really don't know if he was on medication or anything but he certainly seemed to be showing signs of his emotional state much before the incident...I think the fact that he and his brother didn't reply when an adult neighbour said hello to them is something that I would have found a bit worrying...

[AnnieK]

No justification for taking a knife into school and ending a life.....

[Ninastar]

reading all the comments on a facebook group dedicated to her... so sad, everyone saying how lovely she was. would only bloody happen in leeds, wouldn;t it? my teaching company want to send me out there and i've always said no. good thing too.

[Kizzy]

reading all the comments on a facebook group dedicated to her... so sad, everyone saying how lovely she was. would only bloody happen in leeds, wouldn;t it? my teaching company want to send me out there and i've always said no. good thing too.

What a strange thing to say... Leeds is the third largest city in England, you can't write the whole place of due to the actions of one psychotic teenager.

[Ninastar]

i can write it off due to the fact that it's rough as ****... i didnt want to work there for that reason.

[Kizzy]

i can write it off due to the fact that it's rough as ****... i didnt want to work there for that reason.

What a thing to say about city you've never lived or worked in. There are good and bad areas in every city in the UK.

[Ninastar]

i've been there enough and know enough people from there, lol. i think i know what i'm talking about

[Kizzy]

i've been there enough and know enough people from there, lol. i think i know what i'm talking about

It sounds a rather ignorant and narrow minded view sorry to say caitlin.

[Ninastar]

it's okay, you can think it all you like. I know what I am and that is something i am not

[Firewire]

leeds is lovely caitlin

[armand.kay]

In year 5 a boy brought a knife to school and pulled it out on a girl and I was sitting right next to them. I didn't know what to do so I asked to go to the toilet :umm2:

[armand.kay]

He wasn't even excluded :umm2:

[arista]

What a strange thing to say... Leeds is the third largest city in England, you can't write the whole place of due to the actions of one psychotic teenager.



Yes one to be charged soon

[Aduk]

Awful :(

[thesheriff443]

i can write it off due to the fact that it's rough as ****... i didnt want to work there for that reason.

you do know you can get stabbed in any post code!

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/4/29/305785/default/v1/sun-1-329x437.jpg

She was not even meant to be there

real tragic

[arista]

In her last moments, Ann Maguire's thoughts
were only for her pupils.
The 61-year-old teacher begged
them to flee rather than witness
the horrific attack on her by
one of their fellow students.
One teenager said: 'Mrs Maguire was
screaming at the kids in the class telling
them to get out because she didn't
want them to see what was happening.'
Last night detectives were continuing
to question a 15-year-old boy over
the murder of the popular Spanish teacher,
who was in her last term before retiring
from full-time work at the school
#where she spent her entire 40-year

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616315/Dont-let-die-Stabbed-teacher-screamed-children-classroom-attacker-struck.html#ixzz30M8nL773

[Nedusa]

In her last moments, Ann Maguire's thoughts
were only for her pupils.
The 61-year-old teacher begged
them to flee rather than witness
the horrific attack on her by
one of their fellow students.
One teenager said: 'Mrs Maguire was
screaming at the kids in the class telling
them to get out because she didn't
want them to see what was happening.'
Last night detectives were continuing
to question a 15-year-old boy over
the murder of the popular Spanish teacher,
who was in her last term before retiring
from full-time work at the school
#where she spent her entire 40-year

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616315/Dont-let-die-Stabbed-teacher-screamed-children-classroom-attacker-struck.html#ixzz30M8nL773

Just how long does it take to question this lad, the whole class are witnesses to what happened. Why is it taking 3 to 4 days to find out what happened in two minutes ?

[Cherie]

Just how long does it take to question this lad, the whole class are witnesses to what happened. Why is it taking 3 to 4 days to find out what happened in two minutes ?

I expect it is a complicated as (a) he is under age,
(b), they need to tread carefully so they get the correct verdict, and he doesn't walk free in a few years time if he is psychotic.

[Cherie]

What a strange thing to say... Leeds is the third largest city in England, you can't write the whole place of due to the actions of one psychotic teenager.

.

Every area has its plus and minus points, no matter where you live.

[InOne]

He probably needs the life tariff and then when they feel he's old enough maybe Broadmoor.

[AnnieK]

It said on one of the news reports that his mum was on holiday which caused some delay in beginning questioning him and he had be evaluated by psychologists to deem he was fit for interview.

[arista]

Just how long does it take to question this lad, the whole class are witnesses to what happened. Why is it taking 3 to 4 days to find out what happened in two minutes ?


Yes the Police are going far to slow on him.
They know he is the Guilty boy.



Grim Reaper is
on his facebook page

[Ninastar]

you do know you can get stabbed in any post code!

WHAT!/???

OMFG this is news to me

[Z]

That's so sad... she was begging the other pupils to get out so they didn't have to see... :/

[Nedusa]

Maybe if some of the pupils attacked him with chairs etc..........outcome may have been different

Maybe she would still be alive ?

[Z]

Possibly but would you fancy your chances against someone who had just stabbed your teacher multiple times in the neck with a knife? I'm not sure I would have.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Maybe if some of the pupils attacked him with chairs etc..........outcome may have been different

Maybe she would still be alive ?

some of your posts are unreal :umm2:

[arista]

The 15 year old will be Charged
with Murder
He goes to court tomorrow in a Juvenile court

[Cal.]

She seemed like such a lovely teacher, the person who did it needs proper punishment!

[user104658]

I read about this earlier, exasperated but unsurprised that "violent games" are getting the blame once again in the rags. "Dark Souls" of all things... a high-fantasy game. Perhaps he mistook her for a dragon?

Anyway - of course it's glossed over that he was on or had been on anti-depressants, most likely SSRIs, and that SSRIs have the potential side effect of mania, psychosis and violent psychotic episodes. Relatively rare, but well documented and very real. Do you think we'll see that pointed out in the mainstream media? No, of course not. Not good for business.

Sigh.

Stop pumping kids full of barely understood, brain-altering chemicals and maybe we'll see fewer of these incidents. Whichever quack prescribed powerful mind-altering drugs to a hormonal teenage boy should be struck off. But then again - so many doctors do it - we'd probably have none left. IMO, these drugs need to be taken OUT of the hands of GPs and should only be available for prescription by doctors with full qualifications in psychiatry and neuropsychology. I have absolutely no doubt that this has played a role in what was clearly some sort of psychotic break.

[Ammi]

I read about this earlier, exasperated but unsurprised that "violent games" are getting the blame once again in the rags. "Dark Souls" of all things... a high-fantasy game. Perhaps he mistook her for a dragon?

Anyway - of course it's glossed over that he was on or had been on anti-depressants, most likely SSRIs, and that SSRIs have the potential side effect of mania, psychosis and violent psychotic episodes. Relatively rare, but well documented and very real. Do you think we'll see that pointed out in the mainstream media? No, of course not. Not good for business.

Sigh.

Stop pumping kids full of barely understood, brain-altering chemicals and maybe we'll see fewer of these incidents. Whichever quack prescribed powerful mind-altering drugs to a hormonal teenage boy should be struck off. But then again - so many doctors do it - we'd probably have none left. IMO, these drugs need to be taken OUT of the hands of GPs and should only be available for prescription by doctors with full qualifications in psychiatry and neuropsychology. I have absolutely no doubt that this has played a role in what was clearly some sort of psychotic break.

...hmmm, I'm not necessarily disagreeing about the medication but then if it's prescribed too often to young people but it's not often that someone does this type thing, then does that really contribute either as so many people take it... he was obviously not mentally healthy and could have always been that way and no matter whether he had taken medication or not...

[user104658]

...hmmm, I'm not necessarily disagreeing about the medication but then if it's prescribed too often to young people but it's not often that someone does this type thing, then does that really contribute either as so many people take it... he was obviously not mentally healthy and could have always been that way and no matter whether he had taken medication or not...

It's a rare side effect but it is a known side effect, as in, it's actually listed by the companies who make these drugs as a potential side effect. SSRI's are massively over-prescribed by people who have no idea what they're dishing out, and they have horrendous side effects in MANY cases. Not usually violent psychosis but a myriad of other things (organ and other tissue damage with prolonged use; onset of irreversible clinical depression due to damaged serotonin receptors; seizures of varying severity usually caused by serotonin flooding - which are actually relatively common).

Violent psychotic breaks are very rare in general so, when I see a story that obviously indicates that someone has had such an episode (and unless there's something more to this story, something that she had done to him that isn't known / hasn't been reported, then it can only really be put down to a psychotic episode) alongside blasé mention of him having been on mind-altering medication that has been clinically proven to potentially cause exactly this... then, it's hard not to see causation in it. Obviously there's no way to prove that this is exactly what's happened, and that, of course, is the problem - the reason that no one will bother to step in and stop these pills from being dished out to teenagers like smarties.

[Nedusa]

some of your posts are unreal :umm2:

I thought you liked my posts... You told me so not long ago..

[Kizzy]

It's a rare side effect but it is a known side effect, as in, it's actually listed by the companies who make these drugs as a potential side effect. SSRI's are massively over-prescribed by people who have no idea what they're dishing out, and they have horrendous side effects in MANY cases. Not usually violent psychosis but a myriad of other things (organ and other tissue damage with prolonged use; onset of irreversible clinical depression due to damaged serotonin receptors; seizures of varying severity usually caused by serotonin flooding - which are actually relatively common).

Violent psychotic breaks are very rare in general so, when I see a story that obviously indicates that someone has had such an episode (and unless there's something more to this story, something that she had done to him that isn't known / hasn't been reported, then it can only really be put down to a psychotic episode) alongside blasé mention of him having been on mind-altering medication that has been clinically proven to potentially cause exactly this... then, it's hard not to see causation in it. Obviously there's no way to prove that this is exactly what's happened, and that, of course, is the problem - the reason that no one will bother to step in and stop these pills from being dished out to teenagers like smarties.

It is a possibility, I remember a friend of mine being prescribed seroxat at the same time as a couple of suicides, I was really worried but it appeared to be an accepted side effect :/

[arista]

He was in Court today
Answered Yes to Everything
including the murder.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/01/article-2617605-1D7F173F00000578-857_634x504.jpg
[In the dock: The schoolboy accused of murdering
Ann Maguire appeared in court today
with a broken arm and nodded to his parents
who were watching from the public gallery]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617605/Ann-Maguires-family-pay-tribute-teacher-stabbed-death-classroom.html#ixzz30UFO7HrR

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/01/article-2617605-1D801EE500000578-192_634x458.jpg
[Tributes: Yesterday Ann Maguire's tearful family
inspected flowers and notes stretching for
more than 150ft along the railings outside
the school where she was murdered]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2618358/Second-teenager-arrested-connection-death-stabbed-teacher-Ann-Maguire-15-year-old-boy-accused-murder-appears-youth-court.html#ixzz30ZkWzESt


The 15 year old was in Crown Court today via Live Video link
again saying Yes to all questions