Pork replaced by halal meat at 185 Subways across the UK and Ireland

[reece(:]

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None of the 185 branches of Subway across the UK and Ireland that now sell halal-only meat are in Lincolnshire.

Ham and bacon has been taken off the menu at these outlets as the sandwich chain said this was 'following strong demand from our Muslim customers'.

Muslims are forbidden from eating meat from pigs and any non-halal food and participating outlets will show a special 'All meats are Halal' sign.

In the halal-only branches ham and bacon has been substituted for turkey ham and rashers.

Currently none of the Subway stores in Lincolnshire are halal and it is the choice of individual outlets whether or not to be. One of the nearest halal only Subways is in Nottingham.

Traditionally halal butchers cut the throats of animals while they are fully conscious. Some halal butchers now practice pre-stunning but this is not permitted by some Islamic scholars.

In Britain, killing an animal while they are fully conscious is illegal, but the law gives special exemption, on religious grounds, to Muslim and Jewish meat producers.

Read more: http://www.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/Pork-replaced-halal-185-Subways-UK-Ireland/story-21035395-detail/story.html#ixzz30UkwJDGF

There's been quite an outroar on facebook over this

[Me. I Am Salman]

ap
and your timeline is full of idiots soz about it

[Cherie]

is that you Salman and your "strong demands" :fist:

[reece(:]

ap
and your timeline is full of idiots soz about it
you don't need to tell me information I already know

[Benjamin]

I refuse to eat halal meat ever, luckily I dont eat at subway

[Jordan.]

Why would anyone only want to eat meat from an animal that was killed whilst conscious, salman explain

[Me. I Am Salman]

Why would anyone only want to eat meat from an animal that was killed whilst conscious, salman explain

actually all the halal subway meat is stunned

[Brother Leon]

Halal meat actually tastes better so all good for me. The meat in Egypt when I went was 5*. In an ideal world all meat here is like that tbh :laugh:

[Sam:)]

I'm probably going to sound unbelievable racist and seem like a ****, but I'm sick of muslims getting special treatment. I can slightly understand if they changed the non-pork food to halal. If I went to a muslim country I wouldnt expect them to accept my traditions and go out of there way to cater for them. If you dont eat pork you dont order bacon? I dont like olives but I dont ask for them not to be served.

[Livia]

I'm probably going to sound unbelievable racist and seem like a ****, but I'm sick of muslims always getting there way. I can slightly understand if they changed the non-pork food to halal. If I went to a muslim country I wouldnt expect them to accept my traditions and go out of there way to cater for them. If you dont eat pork you dont order bacon? I dont like olives but I dont ask for them not to be served.

Always getting their way? A little racist, yes.

I notice the thing that Reece posted also mentions Jews... so on behalf of my own religion I want to say that it is one of our laws that we don't cause animals to suffer and Kosher slaughtering is as fast an painless as possible with more and more people using the stun method first. I can't pretend to know much about Halal slaughter... However... people inevitably complain about Kosher and Halal slaughtering while being perfectly happy to eat other more conventionally slaughtered meat without having any clear idea what atrocious places abattoirs are. How do you think non-Halal and Kosher meat is slaughtered? Do you think they sing them to sleep? What's more, all kinds of animals are abused and mistreated all over this country on a daily basis. I think their care and welfare would be a more suitable cause for concern.

[Vanessa]

No bacon. :(

[armand.kay]

Why can't they just have all meat that isn't pork be halal meat and pork just be there as an option for non Muslim people?

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[smudgie]

Why can't they just have two counters..keep everybody happy.

[Sam:)]

Always getting their way? A little racist, yes.

I notice the thing that Reece posted also mentions Jews... so on behalf of my own religion I want to say that it is one of our laws that we don't cause animals to suffer and Kosher slaughtering is as fast an painless as possible with more and more people using the stun method first. I can't pretend to know much about Halal slaughter... However... people inevitably complain about Kosher and Halal slaughtering while being perfectly happy to eat other more conventionally slaughtered meat without having any clear idea what atrocious places abattoirs are. How do you think non-Halal and Kosher meat is slaughtered? Do you think they sing them to sleep? What's more, all kinds of animals are abused and mistreated all over this country on a daily basis. I think their care and welfare would be a more suitable cause for concern.

Always getting there way was an exhageration and I didnt mean it, I just meant special treatment. As far as I know there are laws that mean all animals have to be stunned so its painless with the exception of Halal (It could be Kosher, but I dont know much about that so I wont comment on it). I know with Halal some Muslims object to the idea of the animal being stunned before slaughter.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'm probably going to sound unbelievable racist and seem like a ****, but I'm sick of muslims always getting there way. I can slightly understand if they changed the non-pork food to halal.

do you think this is something subway was forced to do against their will? no. it's a business with the sole aim to make profit, they don't give two ****s about your little feelings.

why are you blaming muslims for the decision to remove bacon when it was SUBWAY who chose to do that

If I went to a muslim country I wouldnt expect them to accept my traditions and go out of there way to cater for them. If you dont eat pork you dont order bacon? I dont like olives but I dont ask for them not to be served.

IT'S A PRIVATE BUSINESS not YOU. and there actually are places in muslim countries which go out of their way to serve pork and alcohol for western tourists. why would anyone have an issue with private businesses making their own private decisions to cater to certain people? do you want the government to force all private businesses to serve bacon just so people like you who can't bear the idea of a tiny minority of them not doing so are satisfied?

[Livia]

Always getting there way was an exhageration and I didnt mean it, I just meant special treatment. As far as I know there are laws that mean all animals have to be stunned so its painless with the exception of Halal (It could be Kosher, but I dont know much about that so I wont comment on it). I know with Halal some Muslims object to the idea of the animal being stunned before slaughter.

Yes I knew that. I don't think you're a racist, just that what you said sounded racist.

As Salman said earlier, and as I said... more and more Halal and Kosher butchers are stunning animals first.

[Livia]

Why can't they just have all meat that isn't pork be halal meat and pork just be there as an option for non Muslim people?



Why can't they just have two counters..keep everybody happy.

Questions only Subway can answer. I don't use Subway, but if I did, I'd be happy with that.

[Vicky.]

I think Turkey is classed as a Muslim country..when I was on holiday there I had the best full english breakfasts ever...bacon, pork sausage..the lot. That might just be because it was the touristy side (Marmaris) but the people cooking it had no objection.

I agree though, that a better option would be to ADD halal options to the menu rather than make it all halal, as I found out yesterday that apparently that wouldn't be a problem aslong as the non-halal and halal didnt touch each other or something..

[BBfanUSA]

Uh, why not offer both?

There's a noticable Indian population at my university and they offer Veggie meat in place of cow for them along with the other option at the cafeterias.

This is just plain stupid.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I think Turkey is classed as a Muslim country..when I was on holiday there I had the best full english breakfasts ever...bacon, pork sausage..the lot. That might just be because it was the touristy side (Marmaris) but the people cooking it had no objection.

I agree though, that a better option would be to ADD halal options to the menu rather than make it all halal, as I found out yesterday that apparently that wouldn't be a problem aslong as the non-halal and halal didnt touch each other or something..

Turkey's secular

[Sam:)]

do you think this is something subway was forced to do against their will? no. it's a business with the sole aim to make profit, they don't give two ****s about your little feelings.

why are you blaming muslims for the decision to remove bacon when it was SUBWAY who chose to do that
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It was requested. I'm not blaming Muslims, I didnt mean the "getting there way part" I just feel they get separate treatment to other religions. I understand the whole business aspect, and from a business point of view why would they stop selling bacon. If you dont eat bacon dont order them.


IT'S A PRIVATE BUSINESS not YOU.
I know that I'm not a sandwich shop?

and there actually are places in muslim countries which go out of their way to serve pork and alcohol for western tourists. why would anyone have an issue with private businesses making their own private decisions to cater to certain people?
Im not saying that muslim countrys dont, I'm saying I wouldnt expect them to.

do you want the government to force all private businesses to serve bacon just so people like you who can't bear the idea of a tiny minority of them not doing so are satisfied?
I dont think its a smart idea as a business I just dont see why they cant have it as well as halal meat, as I said already if you dont like bacon dont order it.

[Livia]

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Where does that article come from, Sam?

[Sam:)]

Where does that article come from, Sam?
Daily Mail, not a good paper to use as a source for these sort of discussions as they obviously exaggerated by using the word "Demand". I'd say it was requested frequently

[Scarlett.]

Does it really matter that much?

[InOne]

Subway is shockingly bad and overpriced whether it's halal, kosher or pork options still there. I've found this with all the branches I've been to in the country.

[Vicky.]

Subway is shockingly bad and overpriced whether it's halal, kosher or pork options still there. I've found this with all the branches I've been to in the country.

I quite enjoy it. But nearly £6 for a sandwich does take the piss a bit

I will never forget when I went to get one for me gav and the kids one day a few years back and it came to about £30 (mind we got drinks too). Could have gone out for a proper meal for that much :laugh:

[BBfanUSA]

Subway is usually around 8 dollars with the chips/crips and drink, here in the states.

Then again, our veggies are fresh.

[Me. I Am Salman]

a 6 inch sub and drink is usually filling with no sides needed and free refills, all for £3. far more value for money than mcdonalds

and they do a loyalty card

[Jessica.]

Subway is quite cheap. :umm2: They also do the €4 deal and €6 deal which is a 6inch or footlong sub with a drink.

[InOne]

I quite enjoy it. But nearly £6 for a sandwich does take the piss a bit

I will never forget when I went to get one for me gav and the kids one day a few years back and it came to about £30 (mind we got drinks too). Could have gone out for a proper meal for that much :laugh:

Yeah the price stupid for what you get and I don't think it has ever filled me up. Although I only got fleeced the first time I went because I didn't really know the menu. The rest of the times I'd get that £3 meal. But it's just I've never had a decent sandwich in all the 5 or 6 times I've visited in my life. It's always luke warm, squashed and utterly depressing to look at.

[Jordan.]

Burger King is the most overpriced fast food shop

[Jessica.]

Yeah the price stupid for what you get and I don't think it has ever filled me up. Although I only got fleeced the first time I went because I didn't really know the menu. The rest of the times I'd get that £3 meal. But it's just I've never had a decent sandwich in all the 5 or 6 times I've visited in my life. It's always luke warm, squashed and utterly depressing to look at.

:nono: pick better ingredients and bread then

[reece(:]

Burger King is the most overpriced fast food shop
4 quid for a burger is shambolic

http://i.minus.com/ibu9N9R9qe02bX.jpg

[Me. I Am Salman]

bk also tastes the worst.

[Vicky.]

Just found out the the subway just up the road from the one I use is kosher only. Makes sense really as its in an area that is predominantly Jewish. Never been to that one so would never have known

Though I still think adding kosher options to the menu would be a better option than kosher only...

[InOne]

:nono: pick better ingredients and bread then

I'm not there to do their job for them Jess :pipe: All of it should be good.

[Livia]

Just found out the the subway just up the road from the one I use is kosher only. Makes sense really as its in an area that is predominantly Jewish. Never been to that one so would never have known

Though I still think adding kosher options to the menu would be a better option than kosher only...

I agree. I can't imagine why they don't do this.

[Kazanne]

Always getting their way? A little racist, yes.

I notice the thing that Reece posted also mentions Jews... so on behalf of my own religion I want to say that it is one of our laws that we don't cause animals to suffer and Kosher slaughtering is as fast an painless as possible with more and more people using the stun method first. I can't pretend to know much about Halal slaughter... However... people inevitably complain about Kosher and Halal slaughtering while being perfectly happy to eat other more conventionally slaughtered meat without having any clear idea what atrocious places abattoirs are. How do you think non-Halal and Kosher meat is slaughtered? Do you think they sing them to sleep? What's more, all kinds of animals are abused and mistreated all over this country on a daily basis. I think their care and welfare would be a more suitable cause for concern.

Yes,abbattoirs are vile places,so much abuse occurs in them before the animals are even killed,I have thought about this and really believe maybe the throat cutting is in the end less painfull and stressful and probably quicker than the barbaric way abattoirs treat animals,I am so glad I don't eat meat when things like this are debated.

[Nedusa]

I find it hypocritical that people worry about how much pain different religions impart on animals prior to their slaughter. The fact is we all eat meat regardless of how the meat gets to the table. And we all accept the animals are going to be killed.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Yes,abbattoirs are vile places,so much abuse occurs in them before the animals are even killed,I have thought about this and really believe maybe the throat cutting is in the end less painfull and stressful and probably quicker than the barbaric way abattoirs treat animals,I am so glad I don't eat meat when things like this are debated.

halal methods also emphasise treating animals kindly before they're slaughtered
so raise them healthily, prevent distress by not killing them in front of eachother etc

[Samm]

Why don't they just have a separate halal meat for Muslims

I eat at McDonald's more anyway

[Kazanne]

halal methods also emphasise treating animals kindly before they're slaughtered
so raise them healthily, prevent distress by not killing them in front of eachother etc

We have to treat them as well as possible surely,its good that halal raise them healthy and don't kill them in droves in front of one another,i don't even like the way they are transported in those bloody horrible trucks,its all horrible but I would goo the most humane and painless way

[Niamh.]

I don't really care if I'm served halal or Kosher food, the only thing that would bother me is taking Pork off the menu..........but then again I never eat in Subway so I don't really care anyway

[Kizzy]

How it's killed wasn't the issue initially was it, rather the removal of a choice?
I guess if the franchisee has agreed with subway too remove an item from sale due to religious sensibilities then that's up to them.
They lose your business if they don't sell what you like.

[Niamh.]

How it's killed wasn't the issue initially was it, rather the removal of a choice?
I guess if the franchisee has agreed with subway too remove an item from sale due to religious sensibilities then that's up to them.
They lose your business if they don't sell what you like.

Oh right ok, well, ham/bacon/pork I would have thought are the most popular sandwich meats, seems like a silly choice to remove them completely from their menus rather than cater for both Muslim and non Muslim customers but I'm sure it must make financial sense for them to do it this way or they wouldn't be doing it, I agree

[Livia]

Oh right ok, well, ham/bacon/pork I would have thought are the most popular sandwich meats, seems like a silly choice to remove them completely from their menus rather than cater for both Muslim and non Muslim customers but I'm sure it must make financial sense for them to do it this way or they wouldn't be doing it, I agree

I'm not that up on Halal, but Kosher meat would be viewed as being contaminated if it was prepared with non-Kosher meat. I'm almost sure the same would apply to Halal meat. So it would have to be prepared and stored completely separately. I think the reason they don't offer a choice is that the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. Personally, I'm not that strict that it would bother me.

[Niamh.]

I'm not that up on Halal, but Kosher meat would be viewed as being contaminated if it was prepared with non-Kosher meat. I'm almost sure the same would apply to Halal meat. So it would have to be prepared and stored completely separately. I think the reason they don't offer a choice is that the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. Personally, I'm not that strict that it would bother me.

ahhh ok, that makes more sense then

[Kizzy]

It reminds me of the story of the checkout ops refusing to serve alcohol too, if the owner is devout he just may not want to handle/store pork products?
And I guess you wouldn't open a bbq shop in a vegan retreat would you? you have to cater for the community you serve.