Pizza Express reveal ALL the chicken they use is halal

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pizza Express reveal ALL the chicken they use is halal - but they don't tell customers unless they ask staff


All chicken used in chain's food is prepared according to Islamic traditions
No mention of issue on menu and only appears in small print on website
Critics have accused the 434-restaurant chain of 'duping' its customers


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"Meat inspector Richard North said chains such as Pizza Express served halal chicken to save money.
He added: ‘Keeping halal and non-halal meat is expensive and creates the risk of non-halal being fed to Muslims, which shops and restaurants know will cause uproar. Maybe they think non-Muslims are less likely to complain.’"



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622052/Pizza-Express-reveal-chicken-use-halal-dont-tell-customers-unless-ask-staff.html#ixzz3110BLVCK

[Livia]

Are the chickens dead?

[arista]

Yes the Sun says its sneaky
to not inform customers.

[arista]

Are the chickens dead?


Yes
After the Halal Bloke Cuts its Throat

[Livia]

I don't see why it's sneaky. The chicken is dead, most people don't spend any time thinking about the millions of chickens who are killed every week in abattoirs in the UK and most people wouldn't have any clue how they're killed. What difference will it make to them?

[Crimson Dynamo]

People need to know before they decide to visit. Superstition should not be part of the food chain.

[Jack_]

Shame

Is this gonna be the new horse meat scandal (something else that was blown out of proportion) but this time to stir up Islamaphobia?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shame

Is this gonna be the new horse meat scandal (something else that was blown out of proportion) but this time to stir up Islamaphobia?

No, its about truth and clarity in food. http://www.skyscanner.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/news_article/news-images/horse-burger.jpg

[Livia]

People need to know before they decide to visit. Superstition should not be part of the food chain.

Says who?

Well people know now don't they. And what difference do you think it'll make? None.

Incidentally, religion and superstition are two different concepts.

Morning LT.

[Livia]

No, its about truth and clarity in food.

It's chicken - as advertised. It's dead. How much more clarity do you want?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Says who?

Well people know now don't they. And what difference do you think it'll make? None.

Incidentally, religion and superstition are two different concepts.

Morning LT.

Morning x

Not from the ivory tower i am gazing out of they're not

[arista]

I don't see why it's sneaky. The chicken is dead, most people don't spend any time thinking about the millions of chickens who are killed every week in abattoirs in the UK and most people wouldn't have any clue how they're killed. What difference will it make to them?


Because they have been doing it for years
but now the secret is out.



Customers need all info.

[Niamh.]

It's chicken - as advertised. It's dead. How much more clarity do you want?

Yeah, it's not as if non halal way of killing animals for food is all rosy and full of joy :/

[arista]

Shame

Is this gonna be the new horse meat scandal (something else that was blown out of proportion) but this time to stir up Islamaphobia?


No Jack
a Catholic bloke phoned Ch5HD Wright Stuff
and said he will never eat Halal
he said nothing to do with Islamaphobia

[Livia]

Yeah, it's not as if non halal way of killing animals for food is all rosy and full of joy :/

ikr! It's not like they give them a handful of Valium and a large vodka and hold their little wing while they fall asleep. It's a story worthy of the UKIP press office.

[Benjamin]

Most food chains use Halal and don't say, Harvester use Halal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I beginning to wonder now if all these years I have been singing

"halal, halal we are the Billy Boys" at Ibrox :suspect:




one for football fans only

[Livia]

We sing Bubbles when I go to footie. It's a secular song.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We sing Bubbles when I go to footie. It's a secular song.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article429433.ece/alternates/s615/katy-perry-pic-getty-images-380149595.jpg

I thought they banned you after the "basque incident"?

[Vanessa]

I don't mind. I like halal meat.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't mind. I like halal meat.

lol. what? Its not a different kind of meat!

[Vanessa]

lol. what? Its not a different kind of meat!

It's more expensive, that's why i never buy it.

[Z]

:shrug: Makes no difference to me

[Josy]

It makes a difference to some people, that's why it should be made known to their customers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:shrug: Makes no difference to me

what if they put steroids in and dont tell you?

[Josy]

Also think it of in a vice versa scenario...if Muslims were under the impression a store was using Halal meat only to then find out they hadn't been all along there would be hell on.

It's not really about there being no difference in the meat imo it's the principle and if they keep things like that quiet what else are they hiding?

[Livia]

what if they put steroids in and dont tell you?

Are you claiming they've done that? Or that Halal meat is in some way hazardous to health?

Incidentally, that Basque incident... the case has now been dropped by the Spanish government.

[Livia]

Also think it of in a vice versa scenario...if Muslims were under the impression a store was using Halal meat only to then find out they hadn't been all along there would be hell on.

It's not really about there being no difference in the meat imo it's the principle and if they keep things like that quiet what else are they hiding?

Yes, I agree with that. I don't see much difference in using Halal or non-Halal meat. By keeping it quiet and not being open they've made it look like it's a bit of a conspiracy. But then I guess there is a section of society that will give it the "bloody Muslims..." treatment.

[Niamh.]

Yes, I agree with that. I don't see much difference in using Halal or non-Halal meat. By keeping it quiet and not being open they've made it look like it's a bit of a conspiracy. But then I guess there is a section of society that will give it the "bloody Muslims..." treatment.

It's a bit weird that they kept it quiet though, wouldn't they need to let Muslims know that their meat is Halal so they will buy it? :think:

[Brother Leon]

No difference to me. Halal and Kosher tastes much better usually anyway so it's good if anything.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you claiming they've done that? Or that Halal meat is in some way hazardous to health?

Incidentally, that Basque incident... the case has now been dropped by the Spanish government.

No but if you start not telling people about things because you worry about PR...

where do you stop?

[Me. I Am Salman]

I beginning to wonder now if all these years I have been singing

"halal, halal we are the Billy Boys" at Ibrox :suspect:




one for football fans only

i live for the sharia law the law the law
live for sharia law law live for sharia law law

[Cherie]

No but if you start not telling people about things because you worry about PR...

where do you stop?


I agree with this, I do have issues with how animals are slaugtered so I would like to know if a meat is halal or not, plus I do not really understand why in a country which claims to be be non anything (religiously speaking) we want to appeal to a law laid down by Islam and apply it to 100% of the population?

[InOne]

I usually get pepperoni there. If they're using halal meat with pork then they're not following traditions anyway are they? Unless the pepperoni isn't pork or they have separate areas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Halal foods are foods that Muslims are allowed to eat or drink under Islamic Shariʻah. The criteria specify both what foods are allowed, and how the food must be prepared. The foods addressed are mostly types of meat and animal tissue.

The most common example of non-halal (or haraam) food is pork. While pork is the only meat that cannot be eaten by Muslims at all (due to historically, culturally, and religiously perceived hygienic concerns), foods other than pork can also be haraam. The criteria for non-pork items include their source, the cause of the animal's death, and how it was processed.

The food must come from a supplier that uses halal practices. Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.

Muslims must also ensure that all foods (particularly processed foods), as well as non-food items like cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, are halal. Frequently, these products contain animal by-products or other ingredients that are not permissible for Muslims to eat or use on their bodies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal


I mean you could not make that crap up, oh hang on they did. Do we really want to condone such stuff?

[arista]

I usually get pepperoni there. If they're using halal meat with pork then they're not following traditions anyway are they? Unless the pepperoni isn't pork or they have separate areas.


Don't say that
their Lawyers are looking at Public Forums

[Livia]

Now let's all go and look at the horrors of an ordinary, run-of-the-mill abattoir. You couldn't make that stuff up either. You can't be all weepy about one kind of slaughter and condone another which is just as barbaric in a different way.

[Vicky.]

Never ate there so don't care at all..probably wouldn't care even if I did eat there.

But its a bit crap to keep this quiet. Imagine the uproar if it had been the other way around and meat people thought was Halal turned out not to be :o

[Livia]

I agree Vicky. They make it a bigger deal if they aren't open about it.

[Cherie]

Never ate there so don't care at all..probably wouldn't care even if I did eat there.

But its a bit crap to keep this quiet. Imagine the uproar if it had been the other way around and meat people thought was Halal turned out not to be :o

All they need to do is advertise that their meat is 100% Halal. Just because normal abbatoirs might employ just as dubious methods of disposing of animals does not give anyone the right to force halal meat down peoples throats (so to speak :D:) without giving their informed consent. I notice nobody as come back to me with regard to why a non religious country (allegedly) has restaurants conforming 100% to Sharia Law.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The other week we were a christian country. not sure what baby jesus would say about his american hot being blessed to his rival god Alan

[Cherie]

The other week we were a christian country. not sure what baby jesus would say about his american hot being blessed to his rival god Alan

I'm kind of amazed at the inertia really, the oh well kind of attitude, personally I don't care if companies want to serve 100% halal food (presumably it is cheaper as I assume they are not doing it for religious reasons), but let the consumer know fgs.

[Z]

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway. :shrug:

[Saph]

what even is halal

[Cherie]

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway. :shrug:


I think it is a big deal due to the religious connoctations and that it is enshrined in Islamic law, this last time I looked is not a Country that has to adhere to Shariah Law. All food sold in supermarkets has to be labelled correctly I don't know why that courtesy doesn't extend to restaurants.

[Z]

I get where you're coming from but I really don't think I've ever thought about where my food is coming from or the religious affiliations of the restaurant/people who work there whenever I've gone out for dinner and I'm not about to start now. I don't feel duped or tricked in any way, I'd imagine there'd have been a big furore if they'd made a big song and dance about how their meat is halal because there's a lot of religious intolerance and misconceptions about Islam in the UK (see: Marks and Spencers recent uproar about a tiny minority of Muslim staff not wanting to handle pork and alcohol) and everyone gets lumped into the same boat - it's just not something worth getting worked up about IMO, it tastes the same, it looks the same, a spade's a spade.

[arista]

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway. :shrug:


Feck Sake ZEE
its not the fact its Halal

Its the Fecking Fact that it was kept secret


You must know about being Honest
I mean your off to Russia to Report for Tibb Live News

[arista]

what even is halal



food blessed for muslims
and killed slowly with lots of Blood


Click the first post link

[Crimson Dynamo]

what even is halal

Its a bronze age superstition that is passed on to children in the form of parental brainwashing and should not be encouraged in this country

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"Halal foods are foods that Muslims are allowed to eat or drink under Islamic Shariʻah. The criteria specify both what foods are allowed, and how the food must be prepared. The foods addressed are mostly types of meat and animal tissue.

The most common example of non-halal (or haraam) food is pork. While pork is the only meat that cannot be eaten by Muslims at all (due to historically, culturally, and religiously perceived hygienic concerns), foods other than pork can also be haraam. The criteria for non-pork items include their source, the cause of the animal's death, and how it was processed.

The food must come from a supplier that uses halal practices. Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.

Muslims must also ensure that all foods (particularly processed foods), as well as non-food items like cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, are halal. Frequently, these products contain animal by-products or other ingredients that are not permissible for Muslims to eat or use on their bodies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

[Me. I Am Salman]

Also think it of in a vice versa scenario...if Muslims were under the impression a store was using Halal meat only to then find out they hadn't been all along there would be hell on.

It's not really about there being no difference in the meat imo it's the principle and if they keep things like that quiet what else are they hiding?

Never ate there so don't care at all..probably wouldn't care even if I did eat there.

But its a bit crap to keep this quiet. Imagine the uproar if it had been the other way around and meat people thought was Halal turned out not to be :o

it's not the same the other way round.. we're strictly not allowed to eat non-halal meat :shrug:

but yes they should have been open about it

[Me. I Am Salman]

food blessed for muslims
and killed slowly with lots of Blood


Click the first post link

actually it's killed fast to prevent suffering

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's not the same the other way round.. we're strictly not allowed to eat non-halal meat :shrug:

but yes they should have been open about it

do you ever question why?

[arista]

actually it's killed fast to prevent suffering


Some are
some are not

[Me. I Am Salman]

special message from Allah to LeatherTrumpet

H1Yt0xJKDY8

[arista]

it's not the same the other way round.. we're strictly not allowed to eat non-halal meat :shrug:

but yes they should have been open about it



Thats all this Story is about

[arista]

special message from Allah to LeatherTrumpet

H1Yt0xJKDY8


Nice Car

[Livia]

Feck Sake ZEE
its not the fact its Halal

Its the Fecking Fact that it was kept secret


You must know about being Honest
I mean your off to Russia to Report for Tibb Live News

I don't think it was as much kept a secret as just not publicised. The animal's just as dead, it's okay for anyone to eat Halal and it's not like the majority of meat eaters in this country are unduly concerned for the animal's welfare or abattoirs wouldn't be so grim and there wouldn't be so many horror stories. Maybe they thought it would give rise to lots of moaning about Sharia Law, and breed a little misguided feeling that Muslims were being unfairly catered for.

[arista]

I don't think it was as much kept a secret as just not publicised. The animal's just as dead, it's okay for anyone to eat Halal and it's not like the majority of meat eaters in this country are unduly concerned for the animal's welfare or abattoirs wouldn't be so grim and there wouldn't be so many horror stories. Maybe they thought it would give rise to lots of moaning about Sharia Law, and breed a little misguided feeling that Muslims were being unfairly catered for.



Yes Front Page
no less ,
on the biggest selling paper

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/6/307288/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-07.05.14-1-329x437.jpg




Life In The City

[Nedusa]

It's probably pretty much impossible to know for sure if the meat you are eating is Halal as we have heard tales of meat from abbatoirs which is Halal having its labels switched or misplaced with non Halal meat ,so we never know for sure either way.

[arista]

It's probably pretty much impossible to know for sure if the meat you are eating is Halal as we have heard tales of meat from abbatoirs which is Halal having its labels switched or misplaced with non Halal meat ,so we never know for sure either way.



Do not say that
you will upset Salman

[Livia]

Its a bronze age superstition that is passed on to children in the form of parental brainwashing and should not be encouraged in this country



The Bronze Age was about 4000 years ago. Islam is less than 1500 years old. Come on LT... if you're going to do this, you can't make schoolboy errors like that.

[Nedusa]

Do not say that
you will upset Salman

I certainly don't want to do that.

Think I have upset enough people on here recently.

[arista]

I certainly don't want to do that.

Think I have upset enough people on here recently.


Thats good then

[Livia]

Yes Front Page
no less ,
on the biggest selling paper

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/6/307288/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-07.05.14-1-329x437.jpg




Life In The City

Oh that's okay then. The Sun being the fair and balanced publication that it is.

[arista]

Oh that's okay then. The Sun being the fair and balanced publication that it is.



Look
it gets the storys Builders and Workers like
the ones not in a corrupt unions that is

[Nedusa]

I think I heard that the Muslim prayer before slaughter is done over a loud speaker in the abbatoirs as they cannot afford an Iman to be present at every slaughter.

So I guess Capitalism trumps Islam in the chicken killing stakes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Bronze Age was about 4000 years ago. Islam is less than 1500 years old. Come on LT... if you're going to do this, you can't make schoolboy errors like that.

the roots of the myths it is based on go way back to the bronze age

[arista]

I think I heard that the Muslim prayer before slaughter is done over a loud speaker in the abbatoirs as they cannot afford an Iman to be present at every slaughter.

So I guess Capitalism trumps Islam in the chicken killing stakes.



Thats fair enough
its all within the rules
time is money

[Crimson Dynamo]

there must be a halal app they can use?

[Z]

I don't think it was as much kept a secret as just not publicised. The animal's just as dead, it's okay for anyone to eat Halal and it's not like the majority of meat eaters in this country are unduly concerned for the animal's welfare or abattoirs wouldn't be so grim and there wouldn't be so many horror stories. Maybe they thought it would give rise to lots of moaning about Sharia Law, and breed a little misguided feeling that Muslims were being unfairly catered for.

Exactly the point I was making.

[Cherie]

there must be a halal app they can use?

:laugh:

[Alf]

Shame

Is this gonna be the new horse meat scandal (something else that was blown out of proportion) but this time to stir up Islamaphobia?
Not like you to come out with such an extremist view. I say sarcastically.

Are you Hitler in reverse?

[Nedusa]

I don't think its fair to kill chickens together using the two different methods as the chickens being killed in the Non Halal way might be offended if they see their Halal counterparts being given special slaughter treatment with prayers and a special blessed knife.

[Livia]

the roots of the myths it is based on go way back to the bronze age

You're just making it up now...

[Livia]

Exactly the point I was making.

We're so in-tune x

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're just making it up now...

yes, just like they did back then


:dance:

[Tom4784]

It doesn't really bother me either way but I can understand why people are against it given the method of execution. Companies should be more open about using Halal meat, it would surely be less of a hit than being made out to be deceptive about it.

[armand.kay]

I love how people never cared about how their meat was killed but once they see 'halal' all hell breaks loose.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love how people never cared about how their meat was killed but once they see 'halal' all hell breaks loose.

Did you read the thread?

[armand.kay]

Did you read the thread?

Yes. I'm not talking about people on here I'm talking about people in general we were talking about it in tutor and people were acting like they put babies on their pizza.

[arista]

Yes. I'm not talking about people on here I'm talking about people in general we were talking about it in tutor and people were acting like they put babies on their pizza.


No Chicken Tikka
is fine for me
thanks

[Niamh.]

Yes. I'm not talking about people on here I'm talking about people in general we were talking about it in tutor and people were acting like they put babies on their pizza.

No Chicken Tikka
is fine for me
thanks

:laugh2:

[Scarlett.]

I don't see why it's sneaky. The chicken is dead, most people don't spend any time thinking about the millions of chickens who are killed every week in abattoirs in the UK and most people wouldn't have any clue how they're killed. What difference will it make to them?

Indeed, people dont seem to care one bit how the chickens live, but when it comes to how they're killed, there is a big fuss.

[Jessica.]

Why is this even in the news? :umm2: The animal is going to die either way, if they slaughter then the halal way then more people will be able to eat it than if they don't. :huh: It seems like a fair business move, if people cared so strongly about not eating halal then they would ask before ordering their food.

[armand.kay]

Why is this even in the news? :umm2: The animal is going to die either way, if they slaughter then the halal way then more people will be able to eat it than if they don't. :huh: It seems like a fair business move, if people cared so strongly about not eating halal then they would ask before ordering their food.

This is exactly my point people who complain about this sort of thing didn't even give it a seconds thought how animal lived/was killed in the first place.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Why is this even in the news? :umm2:

because people like LeatherTrumpet think it's a sign that 'muslims are taking over' :unsure:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its news because of many other things, like Nigeria, the middle east and this

Head teachers raise 'serious concerns' over Islamic school take-over

"Concern of 'Trojan Horse' plot spreads to three more state primaries as head teachers' leaders voice concerns for the first time over the Islamic infiltration at schools in Birmingham "


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10804289/Head-teachers-raise-serious-concerns-over-Islamic-school-take-over.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

because people like LeatherTrumpet think it's a sign that 'muslims are taking over' :unsure:

Not me but head teachers in Birmingham

This religion has no place in 2014 Britain.

[Me. I Am Salman]

how has terrorism in a different part of the world got anything to do with this http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/huh.gif

[Samm]

well I had Pizza express last week and it tasted fine so idc they can keep using it

[Crimson Dynamo]

"The National Association of Head Teachers said it had found “concerted efforts” to infiltrate at least six schools in Birmingham."

[Jessica.]

because people like LeatherTrumpet think it's a sign that 'muslims are taking over' :unsure:

:joker: That is ridiculous, although I don't see how that is problematic, it's just a religion, nobody complains about Catholics or Hindus taking over etc.. I would prefer to know a respectful Muslim rather than an ignorant/xenophobic atheist, I'm sure that is true for most people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: That is ridiculous, although I don't see how that is problematic, it's just a religion, nobody complains about Catholics or Hindus taking over etc.. I would prefer to know a respectful Muslim rather than an ignorant/xenophobic atheist, I'm sure that is true for most people.

Yes a respectful muslim that thinks that you should stay home and look after childen and that you need your husband’s permission to leave house and take up employment

:whistle:

[Livia]

Yes a respectful muslim that thinks that you should stay home and look after childen and that you need your husband’s permission to leave house and take up employment

:whistle:

Don't know many Muslims, do you LT.

[Josy]

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway. :shrug:

I love how people never cared about how their meat was killed but once they see 'halal' all hell breaks loose.

Why is this even in the news? :umm2: The animal is going to die either way, if they slaughter then the halal way then more people will be able to eat it than if they don't. :huh: It seems like a fair business move, if people cared so strongly about not eating halal then they would ask before ordering their food.

For most people it's not the meat or the way the animal that's slaughtered that's a 'big deal' it's the principle of them not being told..as consumers paying their money for a product they are entitled to know exactly what that product is.

And Jessica why would they need to ask about the meat whilst ordering food? they are paying for a product and that product should be properly labelled.

Salman - I know it's not exactly the same but some people disagree with the way the animal is slaughtered with Halal meat, does it make them less important because that's a preference and not a religious opinion?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't know many Muslims, do you LT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam

There thankfully is not much call for them up here. The weather you see.

[Jessica.]

Yes a respectful muslim that thinks that you should stay home and look after childen and that you need your husband’s permission to leave house and take up employment

:whistle:

Don't be silly, those views are strictly customary depending on what nation/region it is. Lots of Muslim women work and have social lives and also why does it matter if a woman decides that she wants to be a stay at home mother?

[Jack_]

Not like you to come out with such an extremist view. I say sarcastically.

Are you Hitler in reverse?

Because pointing out that the British tabloids may be using this story to tap into people's fears of Islam is oh so extreme and left field

****ing really? :rolleyes:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Yes a respectful muslim that thinks that you should stay home and look after childen and that you need your husband’s permission to leave house and take up employment

:whistle:

Muslim women can't work?

well it's a bit awkward that the Prophet's wife Khadijah was an incredibly successful businesswoman and straight up boss then

stop using wiki as your source.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't be silly, those views are strictly customary depending on what nation/region it is. Lots of Muslim women work and have social lives and also why does it matter if a woman decides that she wants to be a stay at home mother?

Yes but does she decide or is she told. Half the problem with all religions is the interpretation, the sects the "this is what Allah, God is saying" BS. My one is right and you are wrong, god told me to steal that Cornetto and blow up that car.

men, power, control, pizza

[Crimson Dynamo]

well it's a bit awkward that the Prophet's wife Khadijah was an incredibly successful businesswoman and a straight up boss then

Yes and Peter Parker got bitten by a radioactive spider..

[Me. I Am Salman]

You're embarrassing yourself

[Jessica.]

And Jessica why would they need to ask about the meat whilst ordering food? they are paying for a product and that product should be properly labelled.

So, in that case, all meat products should be labelled with how the animal was killed?

Josy: Can I have a double cheese burger?
Burger guy: Of course, just to let you know the cow that this meat came from was stunned with an electrical current and then had a chest stick inserted in the direction his heart which resulted in his death.
Josy: The slaughterhouse worker didn't say "bismillah" though, did he?
Burger guy: Nope.
Josy: Excellent!

Seems a bit ridiculous to me, halal slaughter is almost the exact same and stunning is very common these days, it doesn't make the animal die any slower than the regular way of slaughter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're embarrassing yourself

I think when you mentioned prophets you rather beat me to it...

[Josy]

So, in that case, all meat products should be labelled with how the animal was killed?

Josy: Can I have a double cheese burger?
Burger guy: Of course, just to let you know the cow that this meat came from was stunned with an electrical current and then had a chest stick inserted in the direction his heart which resulted in his death.
Josy: The slaughterhouse worker didn't say "bismillah" though, did he?
Burger guy: Nope.
Josy: Excellent!

Seems a bit ridiculous to me, halal slaughter is almost the exact same and stunning is very common these days, it doesn't make the animal die any slower than the regular way of slaughter.

You are either not reading my post or completely misunderstanding, I never said all products should mention how the animal was slaughtered...but customers should have some way of knowing whats being served in the store.

They shouldn't need to ask or be told with each order either all the company has to do is put notices up where they can be seen saying it's Halal meat that they use...

And who cares if it seems ridiculous to you it's clearly not to plenty of other people that disagree with Halal slaughter.

[Jessica.]

You are either not reading my post or completely misunderstanding, I never said all products should mention how the animal was slaughtered...but customers should have some way of knowing whats being served in the store.

They shouldn't need to ask or be told with each order either all the company has to do is put notices up where they can be seen saying it's Halal meat that they use...

And who cares if it seems ridiculous to you it's clearly not to plenty of other people that disagree with Halal slaughter.

But surely if you want to know if the meat is halal then you would want to know the other methods too? What if it's kosher? What do you call meat that's not halal or kosher? Why do you disagree with it?

[arista]

You're embarrassing yourself


Thats what Tibb can be for

[armand.kay]

For most people it's not the meat or the way the animal that's slaughtered that's a 'big deal' it's the principle of them not being told..as consumers paying their money for a product they are entitled to know exactly what that product is.

And Jessica why would they need to ask about the meat whilst ordering food? they are paying for a product and that product should be properly labelled.


Halal chicken is still chicken at the end of the day. Customers wanted chicken on their pizza and that's what they got. You wouldn't expect a restaurant to label meat as "stunned to death" or "killed with blade" so why should the fact that it's halal be so significant that they must announce it. Why aren't non halal meats labeled as "non halal"?
If people wanted to know they would just ask.


I find it odd that they didn't announce it was halal because it would attract more customers but I don't think they should be obligated to.

[Jessica.]

young lady

Embarrassing.

[Samm]

Embarrassing.

:laugh:

[Brother Leon]

It should be known to people, but The comparison to if it was non halal being sold as halal is abit silly. Muslims and Jews require meat they eat to be Kosher or Halal. If they were to eat out one of the first things they will ask is if it's halal/kosher. You don't see someone asking to ensure that the meat isn't..they just eat it. So the effects are far greater in one instance than the other.

Besides if someone asked if the meat was Halal then who says Pizza Express didn't say it was? If they had been asked and then lied then it would be a problem in my eyes. They probably just didn't feel like they need to make a big deal about..

[Niamh.]

Halal chicken is still chicken at the end of the day. Customers wanted chicken on their pizza and that's what they got. You wouldn't expect a restaurant to label meat as "stunned to death" or "killed with blade" so why should the fact that it's halal be so significant that they must announce it. Why aren't non halal meats labeled as "non halal"?
If people wanted to know they would just ask.


I find it odd that they didn't announce it was halal because it would attract more customers but I don't think they should be obligated to.

Yeah, I was thinking that too, I didn't think meat being Halal would stop non Muslim people from eating it, admittedly I had no idea what the halal way of preparing the animal was....................but I have no idea how they do it to non Halal meat either, I don't really want to know either :/

[Josy]

But surely if you want to know if the meat is halal then you would want to know the other methods too? What if it's kosher? What do you call meat that's not halal or kosher? Why do you disagree with it?

I don't disagree with any of the meat, if you had read the thread properly you would have noticed my comments saying that. It's the secrecy behind it I disagree with....

And again it doesn't matter what the meats called, there is so many simple ways all of the hassle could be avoided for example they could insert a sentence under the product in the menus saying made with Halal meat or Kosher whatever or they could put something at the bottom of the menu like 'All of our meat products are also available in Halal, Kosher' etc..

[arista]

Why is this even in the news? :umm2: The animal is going to die either way, if they slaughter then the halal way then more people will be able to eat it than if they don't. :huh: It seems like a fair business move, if people cared so strongly about not eating halal then they would ask before ordering their food.


It was Every TV News Today and every news radio
and Loose Women ITV1HD
and FoxNewsHD

So LT was right to do a thread on it.

Jess its more about the fact they kept the halal meat secret
from the paying customers

Front Page
of the Biggest Selling British paper
no less

[Jessica.]

I don't disagree with any of the meat, if you had read the thread properly you would have noticed my comments saying that. It's the secrecy behind it I disagree with....

And again it doesn't matter what the meats called, there is so many simple ways all of the hassle could be avoided for example they could insert a sentence under the product in the menus saying made with Halal meat or Kosher whatever or they could put something at the bottom of the menu like 'All of our meat products are also available in Halal, Kosher' etc..

But would you expect non halal/kosher meat to be labelled too? :huh:

[Josy]

But would you expect non halal/kosher meat to be labelled too? :huh:

I wouldn't no but Muslims would, not really sure why that would be confusing to you.

[Jessica.]

It was Every TV News Today and every news radio
and Loose Women ITV1HD
and FoxNewsHD

So LT was right to do a thread on it.

Jess its more about the fact they kept the halal meat secret
from the paying customers

Front Page
of the Biggest Selling British paper
no less

It's not a secret, there is absolutely no reason to label how the animal was killed, non-halal restaurants don't label how the animals were killed, why isn't that a scandal?

[Jessica.]

why Jess?

Because Salman has a y chromosome as far as I know.

[arista]

It's not a secret, there is absolutely no reason to label how the animal was killed, non-halal restaurants don't label how the animals were killed, why isn't that a scandal?


Pizza Express kept it a secret Jess

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/6/307288/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-07.05.14-1-329x437.jpg


Feel The Force

[Jessica.]

Pizza Express kept it a secret Jess

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/6/307288/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-07.05.14-1-329x437.jpg


Feel The Force

It doesn't make a secret just because they didn't announce it. :nono:

[waterhog]

this is my 10 cents - its not a proposal - me and katie are not that close

Pizza Express - Katie Hopkins - Halal meat - my invitation - not a proposal 07.05.14

i am not Katie's chum
no high five or any skins
my previous views will leave her numb
but OMG am i backing the Hopkins.
i do understand about majority
to a fire i wont add fuel
absolutely disgusting is the "Pizza Express " authority
my publicity to them is cruel.
i want to gather troops
this is not silly
not getting through hoops
its going to get hotter then a "Mexican Chili".
you are in the British Isles
yet a foreign slaughter is your import
to all your customers gone are the smiles
they will be disgusted with "Halal meat" report.
you will loose trade
growth in sales will cease
you dug with your own spade
because the uk consumers will now pizza police.
Katie your remarks i adore
i loved the friendly remark about "Ebola"
i will supermarket but not "Tesco" score
because me and you must share a pizza and a cola.




( http://inagist.com/all/463966055384113152/ )

[arista]

It doesn't make a secret just because they didn't announce it. :nono:


It Bloody Does


a Catholic bloke phoned Ch5HD
this morning saying he will no longer buy from them
because he was not told the truth

[Jessica.]

:umm2:

[Jessica.]

It Bloody Does


a Catholic bloke phoned Ch5HD
this morning saying he will no longer buy from them
because he was not told the truth

The media calling it a secret doesn't make it a secret. :nono:

[Brother Leon]

It Bloody Does


a Catholic bloke phoned Ch5HD
this morning saying he will no longer buy from them
because he was not told the truth

Did he ever ask them if the meat they were serving was only non halal?

If he didn't then he is chatting bollocks and wasn't "lied to".

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would imagine it was a financial decision to do it and a PR decision not to announce it.

That PR decision was wrong and will cost them dear.

[arista]

Did he ever ask them if the meat they were serving was only non halal?

If he didn't then he is chatting bollocks and wasn't "lied to".


No he did not need to there
was no Sticker on their Window

[arista]

I would imagine it was a financial decision to do it and a PR decision not to announce it.

That PR decision was wrong and will cost them dear.


Yes

[arista]

Yes Hog

"selling halal meat: "Give us secular supermarkets!" closeronline.co.uk/2014/05/katie-… Hokins"



Trust Katie to get on this

[Livia]

I would imagine it was a financial decision to do it and a PR decision not to announce it.

That PR decision was wrong and will cost them dear.

No it won't cost them dear. Not everyone's taken in by divisive stories trying to demonise Muslims. Most people have no clue and no interest in how the cow is killed to make their hamburger. All this story was meant to do was to fan the racist flames so that Muslims get the bad press. No wonder they didn't make a big deal about telling everyone.

The chicken is dead. No one really cares how it was killed... unless it's killed in a Muslim way, then people are a bit outraged.

[arista]

The media calling it a secret doesn't make it a secret. :nono:


Its not just the Media
its word of mouth , now

[arista]

No it won't cost them dear. Not everyone's taken in by divisive stories trying to demonise Muslims. Most people have no clue and no interest in how the cow is killed to make their hamburger. All this story was meant to do was to fan the racist flames so that Muslims get the bad press. No wonder they didn't make a big deal about telling everyone.

The chicken is dead. No one really cares how it was killed... unless it's killed in a Muslim way, then people are a bit outraged.


No but many are

[Livia]

No but many are

Yes. And many more just stir it for badness.

[Jessica.]

The ignorant customers they will lose will be replaced by pleasantly surprised Muslims who now know they can eat there without any doubts. :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it won't cost them dear. Not everyone's taken in by divisive stories trying to demonise Muslims. Most people have no clue and no interest in how the cow is killed to make their hamburger. All this story was meant to do was to fan the racist flames so that Muslims get the bad press. No wonder they didn't make a big deal about telling everyone.

The chicken is dead. No one really cares how it was killed... unless it's killed in a Muslim way, then people are a bit outraged.

This is an interesting comment from a fairly decent if liberal article about the issue from the Grauniad

"Personally I do not object to eating halal meat provided the animal was stunned before slaughter, which is allowed. The bigger problem is with kosher meat, which is never stunned. This is an animal welfare issue not, as doubtless The Sun wishes, one about ethnicity.

However, animal welfare issues must always have precedence over those of religion. Religion, and the way in which you decide to practice it, is a choice. The animal being killed has no choice and has a right to be killed painlessly."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/07/sun-halal-pizza-express-story-ethnic-restaurant?commentpage=1

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sun readers go to Pizza Hut anyroad

[arista]

Yes. And many more just stir it for badness.


Sure

[Jessica.]

This is an interesting comment from a fairly decent if liberal article about the issue from the Grauniad

"Personally I do not object to eating halal meat provided the animal was stunned before slaughter, which is allowed. The bigger problem is with kosher meat, which is never stunned. This is an animal welfare issue not, as doubtless The Sun wishes, one about ethnicity.

However, animal welfare issues must always have precedence over those of religion. Religion, and the way in which you decide to practice it, is a choice. The animal being killed has no choice and has a right to be killed painlessly."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/07/sun-halal-pizza-express-story-ethnic-restaurant?commentpage=1

You are a disgusting individual, resorting to taking personal digs at people because you are desperate for someone to agree with you. This thread is about Halal meat. :nono:

[arista]

Sun readers go to Pizza Hut anyroad


Not if Pizza Hut is near their building site

[arista]

"to provoke outrage"


Yes

[Livia]

This is an interesting comment from a fairly decent if liberal article about the issue from the Grauniad

"Personally I do not object to eating halal meat provided the animal was stunned before slaughter, which is allowed. The bigger problem is with kosher meat, which is never stunned. This is an animal welfare issue not, as doubtless The Sun wishes, one about ethnicity.

However, animal welfare issues must always have precedence over those of religion. Religion, and the way in which you decide to practice it, is a choice. The animal being killed has no choice and has a right to be killed painlessly."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/07/sun-halal-pizza-express-story-ethnic-restaurant?commentpage=1


Visit an abattoir. Then we'll talk about animal rights.

The comment is interesting only because it's both poe-faced and ill-informed. Stunning is being used more and more widely in kosher slaughter.

Anyhoo, this isn't a discussion about kosher meat, and frankly after the performance over my religion last night, no way am I engaging in a discussion about it with an atheist who's kicked off yet another furore over religion.

[InOne]

It seems the media have got bored of talking about people on benefits so now it's the Muslims turn to get a kick-in again.

I think only Vegans and Veggies have a real right to comment on this, coming from meat eaters it just seems pretty hypocritical. The Subway one was different because they were actually replacing the meats.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are a disgusting individual, resorting to taking personal digs at people because you are desperate for someone to agree with you. This thread is about Halal meat. :nono:

Its a comment from the guardian you doughnut :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Visit an abattoir. Then we'll talk about animal rights.

The comment is interesting only because it's both poe-faced and ill-informed. Stunning is being used more and more widely in kosher slaughter.

Anyhoo, this isn't a discussion about kosher meat, and frankly after the performance over my religion last night, no way am I engaging in a discussion about it with an atheist who's kicked off yet another furore over religion.

What did I miss about Judaism last night?

[arista]

Its a comment from the guardian you doughnut :hugesmile:


Yes a Great Paper

[Niamh.]

It seems the media have got bored of talking about people on benefits so now it's the Muslims turn to get a kick-in again.

I think only Vegans and Veggies have a real right to comment on this, coming from meat eaters it just seems pretty hypocritical. The Subway one was different because they were actually replacing the meats.

Yep

[Livia]

What did I miss about Judaism last night?

Ahhh just some nonsense.

[arista]

It seems the media have got bored of talking about people on benefits so now it's the Muslims turn to get a kick-in again.

I think only Vegans and Veggies have a real right to comment on this, coming from meat eaters it just seems pretty hypocritical. The Subway one was different because they were actually replacing the meats.


No Thats in Africa
soon

[Livia]

No Thats in Africa
soon

Yeah, I wouldn't think many real Muslims would regard what they're doing in Nigeria as reflective of their religion at all. But that's another thread....

[Cherie]

Blimey this thread has taken a few turns way off topic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Blimey this thread has taken a few turns way off topic.

I wonder what the fallout would be if it were found that a large chain had advertised all meat as halal and it wasnt and hasnt been for 2 years?


I mean the people who eat it wont die, so what would be the problem - would one equate it to a similar instance where say the spicy beanburger at Burger King was found to contain meat?

Who would have the biggest gripe?

[Marsh.]

I'm bloody outraged.

Those sodding Muslims again. :fist: Open your own pizza shops.

[armand.kay]

I wonder what the fallout would be if it were found that a large chain had advertised all meat as halal and it wasnt and hasnt been for 2 years?

But the meat wasn't advertised as non halal was it....

[Cherie]

I wonder what the fallout would be if it were found that a large chain had advertised all meat as halal and it wasnt and hasnt been for 2 years?


I mean the people who eat it wont die, so what would be the problem - would one equate it to a similar instance where say the spicy beanburger at Burger King was found to contain meat?

Who would have the biggest gripe?

Totally agree with you we are all entitled no matter what we believe in to know what we are eating.

[Niamh.]

I wonder what the fallout would be if it were found that a large chain had advertised all meat as halal and it wasnt and hasnt been for 2 years?


I mean the people who eat it wont die, so what would be the problem - would one equate it to a similar instance where say the spicy beanburger at Burger King was found to contain meat?

Who would have the biggest gripe?

You can't compare the two though, Muslims and Jewish people have a specific rule about how their food is prepared the rest of us don't.........

[Cherie]

But the meat wasn't advertised as non halal was it....

Nor was it sold as halal and therin is the problem

[Josy]

Totally agree with you we are all entitled no matter what we believe in to know what we are eating.

Great post.

And being labelled as ignorant for wanting the right to know what you are eating is just laughable.

[arista]

I'm bloody outraged.

Those sodding Muslims again. :fist: Open your own pizza shops.


Yes

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can't compare the two though, Muslims and Jewish people have a specific rule about how their food is prepared the rest of us don't.........

:fist:so do veggies and vegans

[armand.kay]

Nor was it sold as halal and therin is the problem

But they never deceived anyone.

[Brother Leon]

:fist:so do veggies and vegans

Why would a Veggje or Vegan even order Chicken? The equivalent to what you said would be if a Vegan was told there is no no meat in something, but there was Halal chicken there instead.

You are reaching hard.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why would a Veggje or Vegan even order Chicken? The equivalent to what you said would be if a Vegan was told there is no no meat in something, but there was Halal chicken there instead.

You are reaching hard.

Please see post #153


not as far as you brother, not as far as you

[Niamh.]

:fist:so do veggies and vegans

Yeah and veggies and vegans check if the stuff they eat have meat/animal products in them?

[Jordan.]

i live for the sharia law the law the law
live for sharia law law live for sharia law law

this

[Shaun]

I don't really care. I don't want to know the chicken's name, I don't want to know where it was bred, I don't want to know what colour beak it had. I want to know it's a chicken.

[thesheriff443]

if you really knew what goes on in food industry you would not eat a thing.

[Z]

I don't really care. I don't want to know the chicken's name, I don't want to know where it was bred, I don't want to know what colour beak it had. I want to know it's a chicken.

:worship:

[Jessica.]

omg imagine they had to tell you the name of the chicken and it had the same name as you :shocked:

[Marsh.]

I don't really care. I don't want to know the chicken's name, I don't want to know where it was bred, I don't want to know what colour beak it had. I want to know it's a chicken.

Each chicken coming with its own biography. :flutter:

[Shaun]

omg imagine they had to tell you the name of the chicken and it had the same name as you :shocked:

It'd just make me think it was fate :flutter: I never see personalised things with my name spelt correctly on them.

[Jessica.]

Each chicken coming with its own biography. :flutter:

That would be so cute!

http://puu.sh/8DgDi.jpg
Name - Whitney
Height - 38cm
Beak Colour - Mustard
Personality - Likes to pull feathers out of the other chickens, tilts her head to the left when drinking

[Shaun]

:joker:

[waterhog]

i think we need to cool down - i got to go out but i will bring some goodies back ? whos up for a kebab ?

[Conzors]

I will never understand this whole halal fuss.

its still the same, cooked the same and tastes the same? whats the big fuss.

So what if its killed a different way to please a certain group of people? It shouldnt matter to the other people as it tastes no ****ing different!
x

[arista]

I will never understand this whole halal fuss.

its still the same, cooked the same and tastes the same? whats the big fuss.

So what if its killed a different way to please a certain group of people? It shouldnt matter to the other people as it tastes no ****ing different!
x

It because it was kept secret


Day 2
another Front Page Thursday 8th
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/7/307528/default/v2/mail-1-329x437.jpg

[Marsh.]

It's not kept secret though, they just don't make a song and dance about it. :laugh:

I mean I do think what's the point in having halal meat and not advertising the fact for the people who prefer halal but whatever.

[Brother Leon]

I actually read the article. So it was stated that they use halal meat in their website?

That huge secret there..:joker:

[Livia]

It because it was kept secret


Day 2
another Front Page Thursday 8th
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/7/307528/default/v2/mail-1-329x437.jpg


Oh, I can imagine UKIP rubbing their hands and adding this little story to their election literature.

[armand.kay]

Oh, I can imagine UKIP rubbing their hands and adding this little story to their election literature.

I find the sudden rise of "evil muslims are taking over" stories too convenient :suspect:

[armand.kay]

That would be so cute!

http://puu.sh/8DgDi.jpg
Name - Whitney
Height - 38cm
Beak Colour - Mustard
Personality - Likes to pull feathers out of the other chickens, tilts her head to the left when drinking
dislikes: being slaughtered and put on pizza. xo

[Me. I Am Salman]

It because it was kept secret


Day 2
another Front Page Thursday 8th
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/7/307528/default/v2/mail-1-329x437.jpg

yes and those millions have also willingly eaten at halal curry houses. it is Britain's favourite dish after all

[Kizzy]

What a stupid story! Who effing cares?
They seem to be more outraged about this than when we were all being fed scabby nags by tesco :idc:

[Conzors]

people just need to get over the fact that times have changed and english people arent the only ones living in england. Sometimes things have to be altered to please EVERYBODY, not just the ones who 'belong'

[arista]

people just need to get over the fact that times have changed and english people arent the only ones living in england. Sometimes things have to be altered to please EVERYBODY, not just the ones who 'belong'


Young Man
people are aware of times have changed.

But Halal Meat has a Sticker on Windows (take aways)
to warn people that need to know.

And all those Companies who kept it secret
are now in todays DM.

Being Honest is the key
Conzors


Life In The Fast Lane

[Crimson Dynamo]

Halal meat row: faith leaders call for clear food labelling


Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders call for clear labelling on food packaging amid claims shoppers are being "duped" by being sold halal meat without their knowledge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10814674/Halal-meat-row-faith-leaders-call-for-clear-food-labelling.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

an interesting comment from the telegraph website is below:


"Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders call for clear labelling on food packaging amid claims shoppers are being "duped" by being sold halal meat without their knowledge."

What utter hypocrisy!

Jewish and Muslim leaders campaigned very strongly to PREVENT EU policy regarding the labelling of meat and meat products from being sold to the public without clear labels about the origins and method of slaughter.

The reason was very clear, they new that if the public could make an informed choice they would not by meat created by religious slaughter because the public knew that the animal had died a slow and agonising death.

The EU Parliament voted 559 to 54 back in 2010 in favour of labelling meat created by religious slaughter but Jews and Muslims have prevented the legislation being enforced in the UK.

Well done indeed to the journalists who uncovered the deception and subterfuge at Pizza Express and raised this issue so that a proper public debate can now be conducted in the UK!

[arista]

[Well done indeed to the journalists who uncovered the deception and subterfuge at Pizza Express
and raised this issue so that a proper public debate can now be conducted in the UK!]


Yes Ideal
Farage
is on the Recorded Question Time 10:35PM
(after loads of editing) bbc1
tonight

[Nedusa]

I think people should be more concerned with the quality of the meat product they are eating, that it is the meat and the cut that it pupports to be and that it contains no growth hormones or other hazardous drugs.

Not if it had it's throat cut during a prayer or not.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/08/article-2622830-1DA8931E00000578-481_964x412.jpg

[Kizzy]

You know I don't believe they are.... Have their been any checks?
They could have just been approached by muslims and asked ' is this chicken halal?'

Er..... yeah. :joker:

[MTVN]

Sikh bloke on Jeremy Vine just now phoned in to say how it's actually against his religion to eat halal meat. I know the Sikh population isn't huge but surely when some people have very legitimate grounds not to want halal meat its the sort of thing that should be made clear, because otherwise everyone will reasonably assume it was killed in the 'conventional' way

[Kizzy]

As if the conventional way is any more or less humane... :idc:

[MTVN]

As if the conventional way is any more or less humane... :idc:

Its not strictly prohibited for Sikh's the same way that halal is

[Kizzy]

Its not strictly prohibited for Sikh's the same way that halal is

I didn't say it was, did they give a reason why they object to the halal slaughter but not conventional method?

[Livia]

Halal meat row: faith leaders call for clear food labelling


Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders call for clear labelling on food packaging ...............

.........after Atheists kick up a massive rumpus.

[Vicky.]

I didn't say it was, did they give a reason why they object to the halal slaughter but not conventional method?

Just religious requirements I guess...same as some faiths only allow Halal slaughter rather than conventional :shrug:

[MTVN]

I didn't say it was, did they give a reason why they object to the halal slaughter but not conventional method?

I think it's the ritualistic element they object to, he didn't really go into it though

[Kizzy]

David Cameron has refused to call for clearer labelling of halal products in supermarkets and restaurants.
Downing Street has said that the Prime Minister has “no concerns” about the meat that he buys and said it is for retailers and restaurants to decide whether to provide more information about halal products.
It came just hours after Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, called for clearer labelling of all halal meat products.
Mr Clegg said that while he had “no problem” eating a pizza with halal meat, it would be “relatively straightforward” for businesses to tell people how the meat they were eating “arrived on their plates”.
His comments echoed those made by religious leaders, who have said that shoppers must be told exactly how animals have been killed through clear labelling on food packaging.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10816382/Its-up-to-retailers-whether-they-clearly-label-halal-products-No-10-says.html

So nobody is going to get to know even if you want to basically, it should be a choice... it isn't..

[Niamh.]

.........after Atheists kick up a massive rumpus.

why atheists?

[Vicky.]

David Cameron has refused to call for clearer labelling of halal products in supermarkets and restaurants.
Downing Street has said that the Prime Minister has “no concerns” about the meat that he buys and said it is for retailers and restaurants to decide whether to provide more information about halal products.
It came just hours after Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, called for clearer labelling of all halal meat products.
Mr Clegg said that while he had “no problem” eating a pizza with halal meat, it would be “relatively straightforward” for businesses to tell people how the meat they were eating “arrived on their plates”.
His comments echoed those made by religious leaders, who have said that shoppers must be told exactly how animals have been killed through clear labelling on food packaging.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10816382/Its-up-to-retailers-whether-they-clearly-label-halal-products-No-10-says.html

So nobody is going to get to know even if you want to basically, it should be a choice... it isn't..

Oh, as long as hes not concerned thats fine then :laugh:

I don't much care either, but thats a really crappy attitude to take tbh, I dont care so you shouldnt...

[Kizzy]

Everyone wants clearer food labelling don't they?... I wouldn't mind knowing what I'm eating and I'm not an atheist.

[Kizzy]

Oh, as long as hes not concerned thats fine then :laugh:

I don't much care either, but thats a really crappy attitude to take tbh, I dont care so you shouldnt...

Of course he effing doesn't, he knows where HIS meat comes from... Waitrose :joker:

[Jesus.]

I prefer my chicken choked, not sliced across the throat.

[Marsh.]

.........after Atheists kick up a massive rumpus.

:laugh:

Oh, as long as hes not concerned thats fine then :laugh:

I don't much care either, but thats a really crappy attitude to take tbh, I dont care so you shouldnt...

It kind of completely sums him up doesn't it? "I'm fine so just deal with it. Bring me an issue that has any sort of effect on me and my bank balance."

[Marsh.]

I prefer my chicken choked, not sliced across the throat.

Me too. It adds some extra spice to the meal.

Edit - Only just noticed, was there some masturbatory element to that "choke the chicken" reference? :umm2:

[Niamh.]

Me too. It adds some extra spice to the meal.

ew :/

[arista]

David Cameron has refused to call for clearer labelling of halal products in supermarkets and restaurants.
Downing Street has said that the Prime Minister has “no concerns” about the meat that he buys and said it is for retailers and restaurants to decide whether to provide more information about halal products.
It came just hours after Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, called for clearer labelling of all halal meat products.
Mr Clegg said that while he had “no problem” eating a pizza with halal meat, it would be “relatively straightforward” for businesses to tell people how the meat they were eating “arrived on their plates”.
His comments echoed those made by religious leaders, who have said that shoppers must be told exactly how animals have been killed through clear labelling on food packaging.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10816382/Its-up-to-retailers-whether-they-clearly-label-halal-products-No-10-says.html

So nobody is going to get to know even if you want to basically, it should be a choice... it isn't..



Yes Thats the PM then
he could change his mind
over the next week



typical of Clegg to want the other view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The chairman of the Halal Meat Association was on 5 live this morning and he actually said that there was no scientific evidence that animals felt pain if they were not stunned. The guy from DEFRA proceeded to rip him apart and tore him a new one

A Muslim using "no scientific evidence" as a defense??

You could not make it up.

[Samm]

The chairman of the Halal Meat Association was on 5 live this morning and he actually said that there was no scientific evidence that animals felt pain if they were not stunned. The guy from DEFRA proceeded to rip him apart and tore him a new one

A Muslim using "no scientific evidence" as a defense??

You could not make it up.

You are dragging this so much

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are dragging this so much

You are wrong it was the lead news on most channels today and will probably be big news of QT tonight.

If your only news source is the Daily Star and Heatworld sometimes keeping up to date can be tough

I feel your pain. :idc:

[Vanessa]

I want a pizza now. I haven't had one from these in ages. :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I want a pizza now. I haven't had one from these in ages. :hugesmile:

Chicken does not even belong near a pizza?

so wrong

[Marsh.]

You are wrong it was the lead news on most channels today and will probably be big news of QT tonight.

If your only news source is the Daily Star and Heatworld sometimes keeping up to date can be tough

I feel your pain. :idc:

:joker:

[armand.kay]

How has this become a bigger scandal then the horse meat kerfuffle? :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Chicken does not even belong near a pizza?

so wrong

I like chicken on pizza, but i prefer tuna.

[Marsh.]

How has this become a bigger scandal then the horse meat kerfuffle? :laugh:

The anti-Muslim brigade.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The anti-Muslim brigade.

Peace be with them

[arista]

I like chicken on pizza, but i prefer tuna.


If you have Non Halal
its cheaper

[Cherie]

The anti-Muslim brigade.

Oi you :nono: it's nothing to do with muslims, its about food labelling. Apparently all this halal lamb from New Zealand is down to New Zealand trying to get a foothold into the Middle East, so basically as long as they get the Oil Rich business they don't care what they export to Europe :nono:

[Livia]

why atheists?

I was just prodding at LT, Niamh, I wasn't speaking generally. I embroidering the point that far more threads and arguments about God and religion are started on here by Atheists than are started by religious people.

[Livia]

How has this become a bigger scandal then the horse meat kerfuffle? :laugh:

Ridiculous, isn't it...

[Kizzy]

I don't think it is, it further enforces that we are entitled to know what our food is and how it came to be on our plate... It really shouldn't be such a bizarre request should it?

[Marsh.]

Oi you :nono: it's nothing to do with muslims, its about food labelling. Apparently all this halal lamb from New Zealand is down to New Zealand trying to get a foothold into the Middle East, so basically as long as they get the Oil Rich business they don't care what they export to Europe :nono:

:laugh: I was talking about the people making it a bigger scandal than the horse meat.

Simply wanting clear food labelling is fine and dandy. Making a deal out of the "secrecy" is not really.

[arista]

The public want to know if its halal

Will I buy halal?
no as it puts the fecking price up

[Kizzy]

Maybe it's halal horse? *shudder*

[Livia]

The public want to know if its halal

Will I buy halal?
no as it pust the fecking price up

The public showed almost no interest in knowing what was on their plate before this story was sensationalised in The Sun. Did anyone ever worry that there wasn't a sticker on their pizza box? No, of course not. Now though, it's become a bit of a crusade because the trigger word for knee-jerk reactions lately is... Muslim.

[Vicky.]

How has this become a bigger scandal then the horse meat kerfuffle? :laugh:

Has it?

From what I remember, pretty much everyone I knew was talking about the horsemeat thing, it was on the news as the main story for ages, then continued to be on the news (albeit given a bit less airtime) for months after that. Everyone was up in arms.

I havent seen this to be anything even remotely similar tbh..

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was just prodding at LT, Niamh, I wasn't speaking generally. I embroidering the point that far more threads and arguments about God and religion are started on here by Atheists than are started by religious people.

Yes that is because evil religion still is in our schools, pizza and politics - once it has been eradicated from both then no one will care

Like Jedis and the game of thrones language

[Livia]

Yes that is because evil religion still is in our schools, pizza and politics - once it has been eradicated from both then no one will care

Like Jedis and the game of thrones language

And here you are, speaking out against it quite freely, and removing yourself from it. Good for you... that's your choice.

[Marsh.]

Yes that is because evil religion still is in our schools, pizza and politics - once it has been eradicated from both then no one will care

Like Jedis and the game of thrones language

Yes because eating halal meat is going to brainwash you. :rolleyes:

Goodness me, if you're going to be so vocal about your anti-religious thoughts, educate yourself about them first.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And here you are, speaking out against it quite freely, and removing yourself from it. Good for you... that's your choice.

No choice of Bishops in Politics and the children have no choice in religious schools

Adults lying to them and brainwashing their pure heads is evil. :nono:

[Livia]

No choice of Bishops in Politics and the children have no choice in religious schools

Adults lying to them and brainwashing their pure heads is evil. :nono:

Erm... this thread is about Pizza Express.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes because eating halal meat is going to brainwash you. :rolleyes:

Goodness me, if you're going to be so vocal about your anti-religious thoughts, educate yourself about them first.

how did you get that from my post?:conf:

[Marsh.]

Erm... this thread is about Pizza Hut.

Pizza Hut and their place of Halal Worship. :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Erm... this thread is about Pizza Hut.

No, Pizza Express


What do you know about The Hut? :suspect:

[Marsh.]

how did you get that from my post?:conf:

Evil religion in our pizzas, schools and politics?

Religious people have as much right to a place in society as you.

[Livia]

Adults lying to them and brainwashing their pure heads is evil. :nono:

Do you have some kind of definitive proof that you're keeping to yourself?

No.

[Livia]

No, Pizza Express


What do you know about The Hut? :suspect:

I changed it.

I don't know nuffink about The Hut. Honest I don't...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you have some kind of definitive proof that you're keeping to yourself?

No.

My friend Stephen was told by Nuns at his school that when he did something bad god put a black mark on his heart and if he did not confess his sins the marks would add up and blacken his heart for ever


evil nasty vile nuns:nono:


Now he lives in Australia

[Crimson Dynamo]

I changed it.

I don't know nuffink about The Hut. Honest I don't...

are they circumcising the salami?

fess up

[Livia]

My friend Stephen was told by Nuns at his school that when he did something bad god put a black mark on his heart and if he did not confess his sins the marks would add up and blacken his heart for ever


evil nasty vile nuns:nono:


Now he lives in Australia

LMFAO... Reason for editing... made me larf.

[Marsh.]

Now he lives in Australia

His poor damned soul.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LMFAO... Reason for editing... made me larf.

true story that

[Kizzy]

To stun or not to stun?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27324224

[Crimson Dynamo]

And what happens to you if you eat meat that is not kosher or halal

answer - feck all

[Kizzy]

And what happens to you if you eat meat that is not kosher or halal

answer - feck all

Bingo... what happens if you eat infected horse or beef?

More transparency not less, that's the only way.

[Jesus.]

Yes because eating halal meat is going to brainwash you. :rolleyes:

Goodness me, if you're going to be so vocal about your anti-religious thoughts, educate yourself about them first.

Well I went to nando's last week, and stoned 3 girls to death on the way home for not wearing the hijab. Make of that what you will.

[Marsh.]

Well I went to nando's last week, and stoned 3 girls to death on the way home for not wearing the hijab. Make of that what you will.

Hardy har har.

[Jake.]

If it isn't a big deal, why is it only being revealed now? It's a piss-take imo, if certain cultures are to be made aware of what type of meat they are eating and so on, then everybody should be entitled to that.

[Livia]

I thought the whole rumpus was about not knowing that the meat was Halal. Now it's a 'to stun or not to stun' question - because obviously, bugger people's religious beliefs, you can get the answer from Google.

Nothing will happen to my body if I eat non-kosher meat. It's a spiritual thing and it makes me rock with laughter at the non-religious people on here deciding that it's okay.