The nightmare every parent dreads

[Crimson Dynamo]

How do you see this?

"In shocking CCTV footage, the young family can be seen walking through the shopping centre in Derby, East Midlands. At one point (far left), the unnamed mother walks very slightly ahead of her child - and seconds later a man wearing a dark jacket and a cap appears. He then approaches the 22-month-old (second left) as the child follows his mother into a store. The man then appears to try and persuade the child to walk off with him (second right). But the unnamed mother turns around (right) and challenges the man, who then seems to apologise and walk off. Police are now appealing for witnesses to this shocking incident - which took place on Thursday morning."

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624053/Every-parents-nightmare-Chilling-CCTV-shows-moment-man-attempts-lead-toddler-away-mother-momentarily-turned-shopping-centre.html

[arista]

Good the Mother went back


Life In The City

[Niamh.]

I suppose he *may* have thought the child was lost but it doesn't really look like that, does it? Clearly the woman near the child had an empty buggy so most people would see the child was hers, also he was quick to try and lead him away without looking around for who he belonged to. Scary, it can happen so quick

[Josy]

Scary stuff.

Looks like he handed himself in though maybe thought the child was lost? although it seems unlikely since the mother was so close hmmmm.

[Gstar]

******ing sick freak

EDIT - if he was up to no good

[smudgie]

Perhaps he was concerned at seeing a child that young on his own.

He comes from the age when people gave a damn.


Hubby was washing the car on the front drive, toddler appears over the road, (busy road) nobody else in sight, albeit for only seconds hubby keeps an eye on toddler as the mother appears from around the bend.
The looks she gave him said everything, it was pretty obvious she thought he was up to no good. Sad world we live in.

[MTVN]

Few weeks back the Mail was saying how shameful society is these days that most people wouldn't help a child they thought was lost in a shopping centre, well this is why. There's no real proof there's anything sinister here, the bloke could very easily just have been a concerned citizen. The fact he volunteered himself to police straight away and that the Police officer also says "it appears that the man shown in the CCTV footage may have been acting with good intentions" would back this up. Yet now he's splashed all over the internet and being immediately made out as a child abductor.

[InOne]

Few weeks back the Mail was saying how shameful society is these days that most people wouldn't help a child they thought was lost in a shopping centre, well this is the why. There's no real proof there's anything sinister here, the bloke could very easily just have been a concerned citizen. The fact he volunteered himself to police straight away and that the Police officer also says "it appears that the man shown in the CCTV footage may have been acting with good intentions" would back this up. Yet now he's splashed all over the internet and being immediately made out as a child abductor.

Was just going to say something similar to this. With all the highly publicised cases I'm sure a lot of men would feel uncomfortable going up to a child if they thought they were lost. And the way pictures like this spread over facebook and twitter too with people putting the boot in. Someone could be there with their camera phone and assume the wrong thing then it's trending in seconds and the witch hunt begins.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes you see how the maccan child would have been taken the next day or the next on the beach or in a shop

[Niamh.]

Yes you see how the maccan child would have been taken the next day or the next on the beach or in a shop

Not necessarily, the mother in that video saw what was happening, didn't she? Really, really not comparable anyway, a child getting taken like that when you take your eyes off them for a couple of minutes and actually leaving your child alone at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while you go off drinking with your friends.

[Me. I Am Salman]

never understand why so many parents let their kids lag behind them in public :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not necessarily, the mother in that video saw what was happening, didn't she? Really, really not comparable anyway, a child getting taken like that when you take your eyes off them for a couple of minutes and actually leaving your child alone at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while you go off drinking with your friends.

it can happen in a second. if that man had been a paedo he would have had that child quicker.

[andybigbro]

That's terrifying!

[Niamh.]

it can happen in a second. if that man had been a paedo he would have had that child quicker.

It can, you're right, that doesn't mean it's a similar situation to actually neglecting your children by doing what the McCanns did

[Nedusa]

This incident is open to interpretation, from what we can see we do not know the intent in this person's mind.

Maybe he was genuinely concerned for the child's welfare and was trying to help.

Or perhaps he was an opportunist Paedophile ?

[Vicky.]

Yes you see how the maccan child would have been taken the next day or the next on the beach or in a shop

:laugh: Persistent, I will give you that. But unfortunately not even slightly comparable.

[Marsh.]

never understand why so many parents let their kids lag behind them in public :umm2:

This.
I mean I understand that things can happen so quickly but especially when you're with such a young kid under 2.

Whenever I was with my brothers/nephews at that age I wouldn't let go of their hand when we were out in public.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh: Persistent, I will give you that. But unfortunately not even slightly comparable.

In both instances you need a predatory paedophile. The Mccanns could have left their child in thousands of resorts in hundreds of countries with safety.

[Marsh.]

In both instances you need a predatory paedophile. The Mccanns could have left their child in thousands of resorts in hundreds of countries with safety.

So leaving them all alone as an easy target makes it all right?

[Vicky.]

In both instances you need a predatory paedophile. The Mccanns could have left their child in thousands of resorts in hundreds of countries with safety.

Except the latest (ridiculous) line is that it was a burglar/s..not a paedophile that took her. A burglar that ignored the valuables in the apartment and took a child instead.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Except the latest (ridiculous) line is that it was a burglar/s..not a paedophile that took her. A burglar that ignored the valuables in the apartment and took a child instead.

I would suggest that this is unlikely

[Vicky.]

I would suggest that this is unlikely

As are most of the media/mets theorys.

[armand.kay]

Omg that was so close :shocked:

[Vicky.]

Few weeks back the Mail was saying how shameful society is these days that most people wouldn't help a child they thought was lost in a shopping centre, well this is why. There's no real proof there's anything sinister here, the bloke could very easily just have been a concerned citizen. The fact he volunteered himself to police straight away and that the Police officer also says "it appears that the man shown in the CCTV footage may have been acting with good intentions" would back this up. Yet now he's splashed all over the internet and being immediately made out as a child abductor.

I don't know..if he was a concerned citizen you would expect him to speak to the child and ask if they were lost or something surely, rather than just lead them away (quickly) in the opposite direction to his mother?

Mind the mother should be keeping a much better eye on her child.

[Niamh.]

In both instances you need a predatory paedophile. The Mccanns could have left their child in thousands of resorts in hundreds of countries with safety.

So by that logic, this would also be right: A mother leaves her 2 year old alone at night while she goes out drinking, a fire starts and the child is killed, it's not the mothers fault cos she didn't start the fire? :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So by that logic, this would also be right: A mother leaves her 2 year old alone at night while she goes out drinking, a fire starts and the child is killed, it's not the mothers fault cos she didn't start the fire? :think:

That is not a parallel with the mccann situation. If a fire had started there it would have been spotted and the children rescued

[Niamh.]

That is not a parallel with the mccann situation. If a fire had started there it would have been spotted and the children rescued

No, you're missing the point I'm making, you're saying that the McCanns should not be considered guilty of neglecting their children by leaving them home alone, in an unlocked apartment because they weren't the ones that abducted her (if that's what happened) so by that logic they would not be guilty if anything bad happened to her while she was in the apartment alone that night including an accident or a fire, unless the McCanns were the direct cause.

[Niamh.]

That is not a parallel with the mccann situation. If a fire had started there it would have been spotted and the children rescued

It doesn't take long for people to be killed in a fire, just a couple of breathes of smoke into the lings and that's it. How could you be so sure they'd be rescued?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, you're missing the point I'm making, you're saying that the McCanns should not be considered guilty of neglecting their children by leaving them home alone, in an unlocked apartment because they weren't the ones that abducted her (if that's what happened) so by that logic they would not be guilty of anything bad happened to her while she was in the apartment alone that night including an accident or a fire, unless the McCanns were the direct cause.

The neglect aspect is just your own opinion, they did not see any issue and as there is no law broken thats the end of it. I am sure that if they analysed your parenting they could highlight aspects that would raise their eyebrows.



Like putting Guinness on their cornflakes in the morning

[Marsh.]

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[Niamh.]

The neglect aspect is just your own opinion, they did not see any issue and as there is no law broken thats the end of it. I am sure that if they analysed your parenting they could highlight aspects that would raise their eyebrows.



Like putting Guinness on their cornflakes in the morning

Well, it doesn't take an in-depth analysis to work out that you don't leave babies (and that's all those 3 kids were) alone at night while you go drinking, I would have thought that'd be pretty high up on the "what not to do as a parent list"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well, it doesn't take an in-depth analysis to work out that you don't leave babies (and that's all those 3 kids were) alone at night while you go drinking, I would have thought that'd be pretty high up on the "what not to do as a parent list"

In this instance they looked at the set up and considered it reasonable

[Crimson Dynamo]

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No i think they use spoons

[Marsh.]

Yeah, criticising parents' bedtime routines, meals, forms of discipline etc is one thing but there are some things which are common sense and you'd think most parents would know when it comes to the safety of their kids.

[Marsh.]

In this instance they looked at the set up and considered it reasonable

Even after one night their daughter informs them that she cried herself to sleep after not being able to find them and they didn't even hear her?

And yet they said they did regular checks?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Even after one night their daughter informs them that she cried herself to sleep after not being able to find them and they didn't even hear her?

And yet they said they did regular checks?

We are party to snippets of info and conjecture. They looked at the set up and situation and thought it ok.

[Niamh.]

Even after one night their daughter informs them that she cried herself to sleep after not being able to find them and they didn't even hear her?

And yet they said they did regular checks?

Exactly. How they could actually go ahead and do the same thing the following night after that is just plain shocking

[Niamh.]

In this instance they looked at the set up and considered it reasonable

Reasonable to leave 3 babies alone in an unlocked apartment mmhhmm

[Marsh.]

We are party to snippets of info and conjecture. They looked at the set up and situation and thought it ok.

No we were treated to blow by blow details by the McCann's themselves on Crimewatch.

I'm not relaying media spin, I'm relaying their own account of events.

Yes, they did look at the set up and consider it ok that's kind of where alarm bells are ringing because the description of the situation tells me it was everything but ok.

[Benjamin]

Is there actually any proof this guy is a pedophile? It's so easy to throw that accusation around but if this man was being actually being a concerned person then that has just cost him his reputation as that label will now be stuck with him for the rest of his life and people will be doubtful of him no matter what.

People wonder why people don't help other people. This is why.

[Marsh.]

It's a tough one because he seems to be approaching when the mother is very close, to me it would be quite obvious that it's her child. :shrug:

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[Niamh.]

Is there actually any proof this guy is a pedophile? It's so easy to throw that accusation around but if this man was being actually being a concerned person then that has just cost him his reputation as that label will now be stuck with him for the rest of his life and people will be doubtful of him no matter what.

People wonder why people don't help other people. This is why.

You couldn't possibly identify the man from that video, it's far too grainy so I would say his reputation is fine

[Benjamin]

You couldn't possibly identify the man from that video, it's far too grainy so I would say his reputation is fine

But people that live in that area will no doubt find out. Word gets around in local communities quickly.