Local Elections: UKIP Makes Significant Gains

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Nigel Farage's prediction of a "UKIP earthquake" is starting to unfold as the party takes votes from both Labour and the Tories."

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/03/article-2318751-199B2D7F000005DC-461_634x527.jpg

Mr Farage said UKIP would now be "serious players" in the General Election and said the party was expecting to win double the 80 seats that had been predicted.

He said: "The UKIP fox is in the Westminster henhouse" and said: "The idea the UKIP vote just hurts the Tories is going to be blown away by this election."

http://news.sky.com/story/1267177/local-elections-ukip-makes-significant-gains

[Cherie]

Are you dancing a little jig up there in your Scottish hamlet. Lets face it it would have been bigger news if this didn't happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you dancing a little jig up there in your Scottish hamlet. Lets face it it would have been bigger news if this didn't happen.

This is big news

[Cherie]

This is big news

No it isn't :laugh: did anyone actually think UKIP wouldn't do well, the government are not liked, and the opposition has a Leader no one will vote for.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it isn't :laugh: did anyone actually think UKIP wouldn't do well, the government are not liked, and the opposition has a Leader no one will vote for.

People voted because they agree with Ukip and not just because they hate the coalition/labour

the big parties with their pc career politican on message soundbites are not what people want anymore. They want warts and all plain speaking. :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Nedusa]

I sincerely hope UKIP succeeds in registering a massive vote in both the local and European elections.

The protest vote will have succeeded and the main parties will be forced to sit up and take notice.

The public should then be given a proper in/out referendum on Europe which would be preceded by a proper national debate so at least the public will have a voice in shaping the direction of our Country.

And not before time.

[arista]

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[Black Dagger]

Tragic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sir Malcolm Bruce, the Lib Dem 2nd in command has been on all News channels this morning with this message

"The night was a major success for the Lib Dems"

:facepalm:


Even the interviewers were incredulous and its this out of touch, doublespeak, political-elite bullsh1t that punters hate and see through

pathetic:nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/22/310949/default/v2/express-1-329x437.jpg

Hailstones did not batter Britain, they occurred in selective areas of England :nono:

[arista]

Tragic.


Yes but Expected
as Labour hides from Topics
on illegal migrants

[Livia]

Now watch the Conservatives get into bed with UKIP. Talks have started already in some areas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Now watch the Conservatives get into bed with UKIP. Talks have started already in some areas.

I think this will be the next big story

[Livia]

I think this will be the next big story

Conservatives at Norfolk County Council are already in talks with UKIP, it was leaked to the Eastern Daily Press earlier in the week and talks are talking place this morning. I'm sure it's happened in other areas too. If they team up, they'll be unstoppable at the next General election I reckon.

[joeysteele]

Well it is a really good and strong night for UKIP,no denying that at all but not an earthquake, a tremor maybe but let's keep in in perspective.

They run no councils and will likely still not after these elections, out of the thousands of seats up for election they are making headway and gaining a great deal from a very low base to start with.

The Conservatives would be crazy to forge any pact with UKIP, that would lose completely the voters they need for any chance of an overall majority.
Soft Labour voters who have switched to UKIP in these local elections, would desert them in a flash if they entered any pact with the Conservatives.

They've gained so far around 90 councillors, that could well double or more when all the results are in but it is still in near all councils, Labour and the Conservatives who will be in the main running the show in those councils.
Both parties however, while needing to take into account why so many have on this occasion voted UKIP and try to address that with voters,would be absolutely mental to enter any deals or pacts with UKIP and therefore give them even more chance of greater status in the future.

The Lib Dems, oh dear, I will just let them lick their wounds,they now have so many to lick a nd take care of too.

[Nedusa]

Sir Malcolm Bruce, the Lib Dem 2nd in command has been on all News channels this morning with this message

"The night was a major success for the Lib Dems"

:facepalm:


Even the interviewers were incredulous and its this out of touch, doublespeak, political-elite bullsh1t that punters hate and see through

pathetic:nono:

In his fcuking dreams.....

[joeysteele]

Conservatives at Norfolk County Council are already in talks with UKIP, it was leaked to the Eastern Daily Press earlier in the week and talks are talking place this morning. I'm sure it's happened in other areas too. If they team up, they'll be unstoppable at the next General election I reckon.

They were doing this in Norfolk before these elections too Livia, well you will know that anyway.

On that council with the UKIP councillors the Conservatives could take control again.That is an understandable move there.
Only speaking for myself, I cannot see a great deal of other pacts with them and certainly not for a general election.

No way in my view can or should, the Conservatives risk having to share power with UKIP on a National level.
It may look appealing to some on paper,in practice it could be really bad for the Country.
Not a move in politics I would like to see.

[joeysteele]

In his fcuking dreams.....

I saw that Nedusa, the man is ridiculous anyway, good job he is standing down as he would have lost his seat anyway in 2015.

[Kizzy]

Politically and ethically UKIP and the conservatives are almost identical, it's natural they will align.

[joeysteele]

Politically and ethically UKIP and the conservatives are almost identical, it's natural they will align.

They don't want to be seen as identical though and I have to say,other than EU sceptisim and in part immigration/welfare I don't see the Conservative party as in any way in line with UKIP, racist or homophobic too.
They have their loose cannons as all parties do but not to the extent UKIP have already with their small numbers.

I really believe that any electoral pact with UKIP and the Conservatives would at the time greatly alienate far more voters towards them than it would attract.
It would be seen as a wildly desperate move and a dangerous one at that.

[arista]

UKIP Hoovers Up Protest Vote In Local Elections


http://news.sky.com/story/1267318/ukip-hoovers-up-protest-vote-in-local-elections

on Radio 5 and LBC radio
loads of ex Labour men voted UKIP

[Kizzy]

They don't want to be seen as identical though and I have to say,other than EU sceptisim and in part immigration/welfare I don't see the Conservative party as in any way in line with UKIP, racist or homophobic too.
They have their loose cannons as all parties do but not to the extent UKIP have already with their small numbers.

I really believe that any electoral pact with UKIP and the Conservatives would at the time greatly alienate far more voters towards them than it would attract.
It would be seen as a wildly desperate move and a dangerous one at that.

Really? the thatcherite is basically an 80s yuppie thrown back to carry on her work for me, he is a businessman first and foremost and a politician second.
They both operate in a similar way which is to cleverly to appeal to the 'strivers' whilst bleeding them dry with buzzwords and media bombardment, whilst planning the removal of civil liberties and dismantling infrastructure for private 'foreign' investment.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/23/article-2636838-1E22575100000578-12_964x379.jpg

[joeysteele]

Really? the thatcherite is basically an 80s yuppie thrown back to carry on her work for me, he is a businessman first and foremost and a politician second.
They both operate in a similar way which is to cleverly to appeal to the 'strivers' whilst bleeding them dry with buzzwords and media bombardment, whilst planning the removal of civil liberties and dismantling infrastructure for private 'foreign' investment.

As I say, there are loose cannon in all parties and the Conservatives have theirs too.
I don't really see Conservatives as to the extremes of UKIP in the main.

As you know, I have moved right across the political world as to who I support, I know many really decent people who are Conservatives, just as I do for other parties and vice versa too.
I can however agree with a lot you have said above too.

[MTVN]

I think they might be able to work together better at a grassroots level where there's probably quite a lot of overlap in the support bases with the old school small c conservatives. Nationally though I can't see it, the Tory leadership have done a lot to try and portray an image of progressive conservatism with UKIP would destroy, and there's still a lot of animosity no doubt between party leaders. I think a lot of Conservative cabinet members would be very averse to the prospect of uniting with UKIP, particularly the more moderate Tories like Ken Clarke. The thing with UKIP as well is that a lot of their policies are hard line enough that I don't think they'd be willing to compromise on them and I don't think they'd be able to reconcile themselves with the Conservative leadership

[joeysteele]

I think they might be able to work together better at a grassroots level where there's probably quite a lot of overlap in the support bases with the old school small c conservatives. Nationally though I can't see it, the Tory leadership have done a lot to try and portray an image of progressive conservatism with UKIP would destroy, and there's still a lot of animosity no doubt between party leaders. I think a lot of Conservative cabinet members would be very averse to the prospect of uniting with UKIP, particularly the more moderate Tories like Ken Clarke. The thing with UKIP as well is that a lot of their policies are hard line enough that I don't think they'd be willing to compromise on them and I don't think they'd be able to reconcile themselves with the Conservative leadership

It has been described on the news today as a non starter and I think that will be the case too.

[Kizzy]

Oh I understand you have joey and anyone who really studied the projection of where the country will end up in real terms following the current path would too if they chose to.
I don't mean the individual party spokespeople or the personal opinions of party members, but the underlying ethos and ideology of the two seem to me inextricably linked based mainly on the attitude towards business.

[Shaun]

why is the big news UKIP's gains when Labour's were far bigger :think:

[Kizzy]

why is the big news UKIP's gains when Labour's were far bigger :think:

Because UKIP are not being subjected to a media blackout?...

Here we have it in a nutshell, the appeal of UKIP is from the 'oi oi' brigade.

'UKIP made its greatest gains in Essex, where Margaret Thatcher once identified the "Essex Man", a man who moved out of London, once voted Labour but switched to the Tories.'

[MTVN]

UKIP's gains proportionately are far bigger though, at this stage in the last elections they had one council seat, now they already have 94

[arista]

why is the big news UKIP's gains when Labour's were far bigger :think:


Labour MPs round on 'weird' Miliband
after gaffe-prone campaign
fails to build momentum for the general election
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2637338/Labour-MPs-round-weird-Miliband-gaffe-prone-campaign-fails-build-momentum-general-election.html



Utter Bliss

[MTVN]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-27532746

Amazing :joker:

[Kizzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-27532746

Amazing :joker:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Kizzy]

20
-10
Con
37
+5
Lab
2
-1
LD
0
0
Green
0
0
UKIP
19
+6
NOC

Results looking great so far.

[Tregard]

How I wish Green had become the "protest" vote, so to speak :/

[Kizzy]

How I wish Green had become the "protest" vote, so to speak :/

Yes it should have been I guess due to the changes afoot with regard to fracking.... everyone seems to have forgotten about that for now.

[Shaun]

drove past a UKIP billboard this morning with milliband, cameron & clegg crossed out (they're not going to give europe its voice back, iirc) and then someone had done a hitler 'tash on farage's face :laugh: couldn't tell if it was a defaced UKIP ad or a genuine anti-UKIP one

[Kizzy]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2014/may/22/local-elections-2014-live-results-updated

[Livia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-27532746

Amazing :joker:

Despite all this people are still voting for them in their droves. Imagine if UKIP ever get their act together... it's a petty scary thought.

[Kizzy]

They won't as at the root of everything they stand for there is prejudice and that is becoming increasingly evident.

[Kizzy]

wowee that's a big jump! :)

24
-11
C
50
+4
Lab
5
-1
LD
0
0
Green
0
0
UKIP
22
+8
NOC

[joeysteele]

why is the big news UKIP's gains when Labour's were far bigger :think:

I agree with that.
For some reason it was expected that Labour should gain 400 to 500 seats.
Rarely in local elections are targets achieved,it still amazes me that such targets are assumed.
I said a few days ago,for me a fair result for Labour would be to gain 200 seats and the Conservatives lose 200.
I really find it irritating when presenters and experts call UKIP's current 130 approx. gains as significant and Labours near 200 modest.

Labour have with those 'modest gains', gained councils across the Country.
Even with their losses the Conservatives have succeeded in gaining Councils too alongside losing a good number too.
UKIP, have not got in a position anwhere where they are even the largest party on a council yet in these results,they have gained over 100 councillors whose influence on the running of any local athority will overall apart from the odd instance,be non existent.

They have rode in and won some pretty stickers as to these local elections but won nothing of real note yet that changes how Govt. and Councils will be run.
If that is significant then something is sadly and badly wrong somewhere as to analysis.

[GiRTh]

Now that Farage considers his bunch of cronies to be real contenders then we can dig deeper in to their policy('s). At last we can completely open up Ukip and show it for what it really is; expect more charges of racism. Cant wait to see how he's going to defend his bunch of bigots against the full on scrutiny of the media. This should be fun, but not for Farage.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Now that Farage considers his bunch of cronies to be real contenders then we can dig deeper in to their policy('s). At last we can completely open up Ukip and show it for what it really is; expect more charges of racism. Cant wait to see how he's going to defend his bunch of bigots against the full on scrutiny of the media. This should be fun, but not for Farage.

^^Well I guess that was one effort to try and hide from reality:xyxwave:

[Livia]

Now that Farage considers his bunch of cronies to be real contenders then we can dig deeper in to their policy('s). At last we can completely open up Ukip and show it for what it really is; expect more charges of racism. Cant wait to see how he's going to defend his bunch of bigots against the full on scrutiny of the media. This should be fun, but not for Farage.

Sadly, I think that to many people supporting UKIP, it just looks like victimisation.

[GiRTh]

Sadly, I think that to many people supporting UKIP, it just looks like victimisation.Maybe to small minded people living in some bygone era that never existed but not to anyone who has a grasp on reality.

[Livia]

Maybe to small minded people living in some bygone era that never existed but not to anyone who has a grasp on reality.

That kind of sums up many UKIP supporters.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe to small minded people living in some bygone era that never existed but not to anyone who has a grasp on reality.

there we go again. an insult and then a moral high ground assumption..


instead of having a pop at a legitimate party why not try and solve some problems, any fool can highlight them?

[GiRTh]

there we go again. an insult and then a moral high ground assumption..


instead of having a pop at a legitimate party why not try and solve some problems, any fool can highlight them?Solve problems like Farage is trying to you mean? I'l try and solve issues when he starts trying to solve them and not just making a name for himself like he's doing at the moment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Solve problems like Farage is trying to you mean? I'l try and solve issues when he starts trying to solve them and not just making a name for himself like he's doing at the moment.

he made a name for himself years ago, what on earth are you on about?:conf:

[Kizzy]

only 23 boroughs to go mostly London :suspect:

[GiRTh]

he made a name for himself years ago, what on earth are you on about?:conf:But he himself refers to his party as 'serious players' so its time for him to tell us what he's going to do.

[joeysteele]

only 23 boroughs to go mostly London :suspect:

From what I can see this has turned out to be a mixed bag for Labour but also a pretty good result overall that does have them in a winning position despite the UKIP intervention and rise in votes.
More hard work to do but still near 11 months to get there.
Around 300 gains and 200 losses for the Conservatives.

As for the Lib Dems well they may as well throw in the towel now I would say.

[joeysteele]

I cannot remember a local election results to take this long to get the results all finalised.
Am I the only one too who is likely fed up of hearing of this great success of UKIP in these elections.
Yes,they have won over 150 councillors but they have not a single council and are not even in 2nd place in any except for a small few.

They have done well in getting their vote up to 17% nationally but that is not going to win them seats in general elections either.
Yet it is UKIP all over the news.

For me some of the main points were Labour failing to take Tamworth, there is a result that they should have worked harder to achieve,Tamworth being an inportant target seat for the 2015 election.
Other major news for me would be.Labour's rather incredible success across London councils, the Conservatives taking Kinston from the Lib Dems, Labour wiping the Lib Dems out in Manchester,where Labour now have 95 seats along with one Independent on the council.

The Conservatives against the odds holding on to Swindon and then for Labour too also in Birmingham,despite some switching of seats, Labour strenghteneing their grip on that council after years of it being a Con/Lib run council.

There are loads more too but all we are getting is UKIP.
For crying out loud, had they won about 4 or 5 councils fair enough, to have not won any or come close to while doing pretty well, that is hardly the success of these elections.

Sunday and the European results may well be the major success for UKIP and then it will be justified all this attention and lauding over them but 'not' for what they have managed to do in these Local elections.
The media really do make you despair at times.

[arista]

[With two results still to come, UKIP had gained 167 seats - giving them 184 seats
in all but with no councils under their control; and Labour had gained
284 seats - giving them 4,111 seats and control of 81 councils - an increase of five.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1267177/local-elections-ukip-makes-significant-gains

What amazes me is All the Labour voters
who Voted UKIP.
They want to punish New Labours Open Door Policy
that Labour says was wrong.

[Nedusa]

there we go again. an insult and then a moral high ground assumption..


instead of having a pop at a legitimate party why not try and solve some problems, any fool can highlight them?

Well said, unfortunately there are a few posters on this forum who sit in their anonymous ivory towers dispensing pearls of wisdom which are at total odds to real events in the real non TiBB world.

[joeysteele]

[With two results still to come, UKIP had gained 167 seats - giving them 184 seats
in all but with no councils under their control; and Labour had gained
284 seats - giving them 4,111 seats and control of 81 councils - an increase of five.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1267177/local-elections-ukip-makes-significant-gains

What amazes me is All the Labour voters
who Voted UKIP.
They want to punish New Labours Open Door Policy
that Labour says was wrong.

I do think a fair number of the votes cast for UKIP on thursday are a sort of protest vote and I also agree with Nigel Farage that a good number of UKIP's votes come from people who don't usually vote too.

That doesn't sit well for UKIP at the general election then.
Also, I talked to some people yesterday who said they had voted UKIP but couldn't say why because they didn't really know any of their policies other than on immigration.
They then also said they didn't in truth understand UKIP's immigration policy either.:conf:

I really think the media hype of the last few weeks has been in part the reason for people going out and voting UKIP,the general election should and will be different.
There will be no UKIP MP's to interview for starters and I really hope both Labour and the Conservative party get their act together and fight good strong campaigns, media permitting.
The media seem obsessed with UKIP and yesterday really went over the top on them, you would think they swept the board in these elections.

As I said earlier, I really despair at the media at times.
To be fair to both parties,Labour did pretty well,even on BBC news projections,they said Labour would have been only 4 short of an overall majority.
A projection which included 10% for the 'OTHERS' which was daft because the 'other' parties won't get 10% in a general election at all.
The Conservatives also could have had a worse result,they did score some of what could have been termed unlikely successes on the day too.

Only the Lib Dems have absolutely nothing to crow about.
What has happened to them since 2011,is the fury of their former voters, who sickened and really annoyed at the betrayal of their trust are sick of waiting to get those votes cast in 2010 back to use again now against the Lib Dems.

The media too need to get things in balance.
If the presentation of the general election follows the pattern of this one then it could turn into a tedious affair.
I was sick of David Dimbledy's voice yesterday and then he was telling the people he was talking to to keep it short.
That ridiculous map on the floor of the entrance to the house of commons was also rather pathetic.

[arista]

"I was sick of David Dimbledy's voice yesterday"


Yes I put him onto a 10" LCD
leaving SkyNewsHD on the LG LED 32"

That way you
get a better vision of it all
and control the sound levels better

[Cherie]

I'm actually surprised Labour did so well, imagine what they could do if they ousted Ed.

[Kyle]

Well said, unfortunately there are a few posters on this forum who sit in their anonymous ivory towers dispensing pearls of wisdom which are at total odds to real events in the real non TiBB world.

Spot on. My town (Rotherham) which has been let down on so many levels by a consecutive Labour Council has seen a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP and I kind of feel guilty I didn't bother to add my vote in with the rest of my kinsmen.

[joeysteele]

I'm actually surprised Labour did so well, imagine what they could do if they ousted Ed.

Really good point Cherie.
I myself am impressed with Ed Miliband, I like when he makes his conference speeches and the warmth,compassion and detail that he relays at that time.

Having said that, I agree with you, that they did do well, they are in a winning position at present and still after yesterday's results too.
I do however feel that someone else would be doing much better at this time as leader but nothing will change now as to that.

I would like to see too, where there is a swing back to Govt. at election time as so called experts say there will be, reading back, the only time I have come across that since the war,was 1959 when it seemd possible Labour under Hugh Gaitskell could do really well but did disastrously in the end.
Also in 1992 when it seemed a possible close call between John Major and Neil Kinnock when in the end a swing back to the govt. saw John Major home then and Labour slip away.
The only other freak result was in 1983 when the opposition vote was split between Labour and the SDP/Liberal Alliance which resulted in a greatly increased majority for Margaret Thatcher albeit with a lower share of the votes cast.


In just about near all other general elections,the campaign has seen a move towards the opposition and not the Govt.
1945, 1950, 1964,1970.1974(both elections), 1979, 2001,2005,2010.

[MTVN]

Farage out celebrating with the lads

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/24/article-2637902-1E24E7ED00000578-480_636x472.jpg

[Livia]

From virtually a standing start UKIP have had an amazing result. People suddenly have an alternative and they've grabbed it and I'm afraid those people can no longer be dismissed with "oh, it's just a protest vote...". All the other parties have to step up now. All of them. Otherwise we're going to end up with a whole bunch of UKIP MPs after next year's general election, and maybe a Conservative/UKIP alliance. Let's hope during the next year the other parties step up and the people who sit on their arse on polling day realise that it's their civic duty to vote.

[Vicky.]

Laughed at nick clegg on the radio yesterday in the car...he was saying how optimistic he was and how they can 'still win'.. :D

[Crimson Dynamo]

Laughed at nick clegg on the radio yesterday in the car...he was saying how optimistic he was and how they can 'still win'.. :D

and like his odious lying deputy saying it was a good night for the wretched liberals

i hate these lying career politicians

[Livia]

Laughed at nick clegg on the radio yesterday in the car...he was saying how optimistic he was and how they can 'still win'.. :D

Whatever happy pills they're giving him, I want some.

[Kizzy]

He doesn't have fingers in pies... he's having an American pie moment making money hand over fist with all his corrupt cronies, that's what's making him happy.
Excellent turnout for Labour yesterday, UKIP are still a joke party, photo ops with skinheads are never going to be enough to convince anyone the NHS needs privatising...

[joeysteele]

Whatever happy pills they're giving him, I want some.

He knows there could already be a nice lucrative European position he can fall back on after leading his party out of the forest and then leading them right into a bleak wilderness after doing so.

It really wouldn't surprise me to see a freak result in Sheffield Hallam in 2015 and this hypocrite losing his seat.
One can hope.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/23/311208/default/v2/mail-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/23/311216/default/v2/tele-1-329x437.jpg

[Kizzy]

'More than half of Ukip's support in the European elections came from disenchanted Conservative voters, a poll commissioned by Lord Ashcroft has found.

In a survey of over 4,000 people, just over half of Ukip voters said they had chosen the Conservatives in the 2010 general election. Nearly 20% had voted Lib Dem in 2010 and 15% Labour.'

Labour voters not as easily fooled now it seems?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/24/more-than-half-ukip-voters-disenchanted-tories-ashcroft-poll

[joeysteele]

The thing is and now Labour have gained over 300 seats and the Conservatives lost over 200 these local election results, while being a mixed bag still, say more to the positive for Labour than the other 2 main parties.

Talking to a few people this morning,who voted UKIP who were Conservative voters, they said if the don't vote for UKIP in the general election then they won't be bothering to vote at all in 2015.
Whereas 3 who said,(and yes,it is only 3),who usually vote Labour voted UKIP hoping it would make Ed Miliband also offer a referendum on the EU too.
Then they revealed however, even if he didn't, they would still then vote Labour again in the general election to get rid of this coalition govt.

I found no one who said they usually vote Lib Dem but voted UKIP but then again I rarely find anyone who would own up to voting Lib Dem now anyway.

[Kizzy]

That was the biggest shock to me... who has stayed loyal to lib dem after the last few years?

[MTVN]

Those who have witnessed the good work the Lib Dems might have done in their local area I presume, they have always had a strong reputation for the hard work and effort they put into local government

[Livia]

Everyone can see the Tories had a shellacking at the election. Even their most ardent supporter wouldn't disagree with that. Labour though... they never admit that their having a bad day. If they were on the Titanic, they'd say no, it's fine... we fancied a swim, and we're happy to see all our supporters have turned out to swim with us. Trust us. Vote for Ed... he was navigating when Brown crashed the car last time... but it'll be different next time, honest!

[Kizzy]

Those who have witnessed the good work the Lib Dems might have done in their local area I presume, they have always had a strong reputation for the hard work and effort they put into local government

As have Labour, however the bad work they have done in central government would more than offset that for me, it did for me as I voted for them in the last election.

[Livia]

Those who have witnessed the good work the Lib Dems might have done in their local area I presume, they have always had a strong reputation for the hard work and effort they put into local government

My local District Council has been Tory-led for seven years. In the seven years Council Tax has not been raised. When the Lib Dems were in charge, they raised it 300%.

[Kizzy]

Well that just proves they cut services elsewhere to me?...

[Crimson Dynamo]

countrybumpkin, Whatsacity, United Kingdom, 11 hours ago

And I'm sure that at least 90% of the population outside of London have had enough of being told what to do by a Westminster elite so out of touch. That is why UKIP are gaining ground. No one in London pays anyone outside of London the slightest bit of interest. Bet they have woken up now and are choking on their Organic Muesli.


red: 148
Green: 5794

:joker:


Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2637925/His-policies-dread-But-smug-metropolitan-elite-treat-people-contempt-

[Livia]

countrybumpkin, Whatsacity, United Kingdom, 11 hours ago

And I'm sure that at least 90% of the population outside of London have had enough of being told what to do by a Westminster elite so out of touch. That is why UKIP are gaining ground. No one in London pays anyone outside of London the slightest bit of interest. Bet they have woken up now and are choking on their Organic Muesli.


red: 148
Green: 5794

:joker:


Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2637925/His-policies-dread-But-smug-metropolitan-elite-treat-people-contempt-

Something like six of the top ten poorest boroughs in the country are in London. What a daft thing to say.

[Kizzy]

And that's the definition of 'us and them' :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Something like six of the top ten poorest boroughs in the country are in London. What a daft thing to say.

says Livia deftly edging her Dorset organic muesli into her cupboard :joker:


http://headinablender.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wpid-who-me.jpeg

[arista]

Rotherham: a working man's town steeped in steel-building history and unquestionably a Labour stronghold. Ed Miliband's
party accounts for all three local MPs and has
controlled the council for eight decades.

10 UKIP Council men won in this Labour stronghold.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/24/311250/default/v1/voters-in-rotherham-1-522x293.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1268079/labour-badly-bruised-by-ukip-in-stronghold


Utter Bliss

[michael21]

Rotherham: a working man's town steeped in steel-building history and unquestionably a Labour stronghold. Ed Miliband's
party accounts for all three local MPs and has
controlled the council for eight decades.

10 UKIP Council men won in this Labour stronghold.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/24/311250/default/v1/voters-in-rotherham-1-522x293.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1268079/labour-badly-bruised-by-ukip-in-stronghold


Utter Bliss

but you are conservative are you not sound like you just pick who ever wins the easy option a lot like the conservative :idc:

you need to back up what you saying why is it Utter Bliss

[Livia]

says Livia deftly edging her Dorset organic muesli into her cupboard :joker:




I come from Newham and I don't think I've ever eaten muesli, organic or otherwise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I come from Newham and I don't think I've ever eaten muesli, organic or otherwise.

i was Barking up the wrong tree

[joeysteele]

Rotherham: a working man's town steeped in steel-building history and unquestionably a Labour stronghold. Ed Miliband's
party accounts for all three local MPs and has
controlled the council for eight decades.

10 UKIP Council men won in this Labour stronghold.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/24/311250/default/v1/voters-in-rotherham-1-522x293.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1268079/labour-badly-bruised-by-ukip-in-stronghold


Utter Bliss

Actually well done to UKIP for a really good showing there,really however in a place like that, 'there is only really Labour to take seats from', although UKIP took 8 seats from Labour and their other 2 from the Conservatives.

I woudn't be reading that much into things,Labour lost a Bradford by election to George Galloway,yet on thursday Respect was nowhere really in the local elections.
The areas the BNP were breaking through in recent years, have gone back to how things were in the main.
The voters of Rotherham for example, knew they could in part vote for another party with the knowledge that Labour would still be left well in control of the council and they for sure didn't want to go Conservative or Lib Dem.

Now, if that success on thursday continued in the coming years,fair enough, somehow I don't think it will.
It will surprise me if Ukip build much on that result to be honest but having said that, Labour need to address why those voters who switched,went to UKIP and not other parties.

[arista]

Actually well done to UKIP for a really good showing there,really however in a place like that, 'there is only really Labour to take seats from', although UKIP took 8 seats from Labour and their other 2 from the Conservatives.

I woudn't be reading that much into things,Labour lost a Bradford by election to George Galloway,yet on thursday Respect was nowhere really in the local elections.
The areas the BNP were breaking through in recent years, have gone back to how things were in the main.
The voters of Rotherham for example, knew they could in part vote for another party with the knowledge that Labour would still be left well in control of the council and they for sure didn't want to go Conservative or Lib Dem.

Now, if that success on thursday continued in the coming years,fair enough, somehow I don't think it will.
It will surprise me if Ukip build much on that result to be honest but having said that, Labour need to address why those voters who switched,went to UKIP and not other parties.



Its like Gordon Brown Again.


Feck Labour
confused and horrible

[Kyle]

Arista are you from Rotherham as well?

[MTVN]

Rotherham born and bred Arista is

[Kyle]

Ha didn't even know that. Thought it was funny when he made an article about Rotherham specifically a couple of months back over a national topic just put it down to him seeing it on a local new slide or something.

What do you make of Labour finally getting a bloody nose here then Arista?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rotherham born and bred Arista is

East Dene to be specific, a 2 up 2 down off the A620


http://li.zoocdn.com/2e6976cf4279481cd0c94f08dc55f10ee09e0794_645_430.j pg

[Kyle]

:suspect:

Does everybody know where Arista lives except himself?

Been through East Dene a few times but never long enough to get mugged :hehe:

[Kyle]

He sounds more like a Kimmy lad our Arista anyway.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He sounds more like a Kimmy lad our Arista anyway.

Kimmy?

he is not some chav:nono:

[arista]

Arista are you from Rotherham as well?


No London

[Kyle]

Kimmy?

he is not some chav:nono:

Give over :hugesmile:. it's the best part of Rotherham with the possible exception of Thorpe Hesley. Arista would be honoured to be from Kimberworth.

[arista]

So many voters do not want Ed Miliband as a PM
including Labour

[Kyle]

No London

They lied to me :fist:

[michael21]

No London

not far from me then :ninja2::amazed::flutter:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So many voters do not want Ed Miliband as a PM
including Labour

i am not sure he will even make it to the Gen Election he is so bad

[arista]

They lied to me :fist:


they like a joke

[arista]

i am not sure he will even make it to the Gen Election he is so bad



Yes could be

[Vicky.]

So many voters do not want Ed Miliband as a PM
including Labour

Personally I feel David would have been a much better choice. But despite not being totally keen on Ed, hes much better than the other (realistic) option.

[Kizzy]

Why does everyone say that? David left when he didn't secure the power seat and went to make money abroad :conf:

[joeysteele]

Personally I feel David would have been a much better choice. But despite not being totally keen on Ed, hes much better than the other (realistic) option.

Absolutely he is.
Faced with the choice of 2 faced David Cameron,the failure who couldn't even secure an overall majority in the easiest likely general election ever to win against a govt. in massive trouble economically and a leader who made gaffe after gaffe.
What an example he is.

In fact too, when I heard george Osborne speaking on the news saying that in response to the local election results that,the Conservatives were now going to do what the public want them to.
I am not someone who likes to swear really but I nearly yelled '2 words' and the word 'then' after them at him.

Margaret Thatcher was miles behing James Callaghan as to popularity in 1979 and she won, Edward Heath was well behind Harold Wilson in 1970 and he won.
We elect a Govt, all but 1 constituency do not even get a vote for Ed Miliband or David Cameron, we elect a govt. a party to Govt.
We are not the USA and it is time we got away from our elections being more Presidential in my view.

I learned in my time at Uni and this last year in work I have been doing,there may well be people you don't really like at all but if they might be good at the task in hand then they deserve a chance.
David Cameron got his chance in 2010 and is the most arrogant, uncaring, incompetent politician thus far to hold the office of PM in my view.

The alternative of Ed Miliband may not appear to be any more appealing or appealing at all but he,in my view, should have his chance now too.
I hope Ed Miliband does take over from this heartless,discriminatory,(isn't it odd how 'tory' comes at the end of that word), and gutless PM to lead a govt. of his own which I hope will at the very least make compassion at the heart of its policies.

Whether I like Ed Miliband or not,if he sets out to achieve that he gets my full and unlimited support.

[joeysteele]

Why does everyone say that? David left when he didn't secure the power seat and went to make money abroad :conf:

Hi Kizzy, I myself, and I wasn't a Labour supporter at the time of the leadership election,would not have chosen either Miliband as leader.

However, I can see why David left UK politics, he was a top flight and successful politician,he would not have been happy on the backbenches.
Had he accepted a post from Ed,the media would have been watching for any disagreement as to policy between them and highlighting it, detracting from the real job in hand of trying to win power or being in power.

Had he not accepted a post from Ed, then the media would have gone and on about him not forgiving his Brother for beating him in the leadership election.
I think he did the best thing by leaving UK politics and making sure both he and Ed along with the Labour party were not hounded by the media with this nonsense of friction between them as to the leadership.

The sad thing is, Ed could have done with David in his team,together they could have been a real likely strong force in politics,maybe it yet may still happen in time.

[smeagol]

not surprised. cameron is the worst since hitler. and millerband are just more posh cluless twats. no redeeming qualities about any of them. and their policies are fake and old fashioned and do not reflect our countrys needs.

Not keen on this ukip either. but i am glad things are being shaken up.but what we need is new party that is for the people and the country not any of these ones. they all suck

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/26/article-2638960-1E361B5300000578-752_964x406.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/26/1401065380339_wps_Picture_Device_Independen.jpg

[Aduk]

What an absolute disaster of a night for the Lib Dems, pipped by the Greens!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Clegg on Thursday gone saying that the Lib Dems were the only party to guarantee EU membership. They elected 1 MEP

what a joke

[arista]

What an absolute disaster of a night for the Lib Dems, pipped by the Greens!


Yes they are the party that backs Europe.


In France
the Woman Le Pen
beat them all


And in Greece
a Anti Europe Left Wing Party did well.


Germans Europe is hated by so many

[joeysteele]

I know UKIP will top this vote but in terms of votes cast,there is going to be only a small percentage difference between all 3 parties.
I don't think this says a great deal at all,certainly not for the 2015 general election anyway.

[Aduk]

The far-right Golden Dawn got 9% of the vote in third in Greece as well, while the far-right Jobbik party finished second in Hungary.

We're seeing a similar pattern across Europe of rejection of the establishment and the mainstream political parties need to act or we'll see more from these dangerous parties and their unsavoury policies.

I for one applaud the Lib Dems for sticking to their principles in the tide of anti-EU and elite rhetoric. The Liberals took a battering all across Europe, not just in this country.

[arista]

I know UKIP will top this vote but in terms of votes cast,there is going to be only a small percentage difference between all 3 parties.
I don't think this says a great deal at all,certainly not for the 2015 general election anyway.


Farage says he can take seats there
and get Real MP's.

And the more Labour Keep Ed
the more UKIP will get


Time Will Tell

[joeysteele]

Farage says he can take seats there
and get Real MP's.

And the more Labour Keep Ed
the more UKIP will get


Time Will Tell

I believe he can but look, he only got around 28% here in these so called marvellous,earthquake election results.
In the local elections he got 17%.
Sorry in advance, this is likely to be a long read.

The simple fact is in first past the post, UKIP will have to get over 24% of the votes to pick up parliamentary seats.
11 months from now, perhaps the love affair the media has with UKIP,will have subsided and for sure we will get much more of the Govt. and opposition on the screens in 2015.

Although I don't agree with one, I do think Ed Miliband should say, he will hold a referendum too.
It appears on the strength of these elections a good number of the Country,over a quarter at least do want one.

His promise of such a referendum will,in my view, be more credible than David Cameron's.
That in itself could dampen down the support for UKIP that is clearly there by anything from 14% to 25% of the voters depending on what election is being fought.

Being fair, Labour did enough in the local elections to just about win in 2015, they would certainly get a better result than David Cameron did in 2010 on those figures.
On these European results, actually the Conservatives have done pretty well as have Labour,it is odd how just over a lead of 1% is narrowlyy beating the Conservatives for Labour,then a lead of over 2/3% for UKIP over both Labour and Conservative is an amazing result.

Given the media exposure, time and incredibly foolish and amateurish platform that Nick Clegg gave to Nigel Farage it is hardly surprising that the anti EU section of the UK have brought about these results.

I make no secret of the fact, that I am an EU supporter,firmly and will always vote to stay in in any referendum.
I find it sad that the one thing I totally agree with the Lib Dems on, it is a message they cannot get across because the vast majority of voters no longer view them with any political credibility, myself included.

It does seem also that the voters don't really trust David Cameron on his referendum promise either, maybe they recall strongly his statement of no top down re-organsiation of the NHS.
Which he then did but since the voters cannot trust him on the NHS,I am scratching my head why they would trust UKIP, who would likely go much further down the NHS privatisation route than the Conservatives.

Perhaps had David Cameron started re-negotiations with the EU over this last year and now up to the 2015 election, rather than procrastinate for near 4 years,his referendum pledge may hold more strength.

Suppose David Cameron got a 10 overall majority,then he starts his so called re-negotiations for over the next 2 years plus.
It would not be beyond the realms of possibility that he could face several by-elections in that time and even lose them.
His majority could be gone, what then happens to that referendum bill for the actual day and month it could be held.

I know for almost sure.
We would get, he cannot hold the promised referendum because he hasn't the arithmetic to get it through parliament.
Which is why,in my view,in the interests of the Country as a whole, therefore the National interest, that a referendum bill needs agreement form both the main parties to ensure no minorites can stop it happening.

Had David Cameron and Ed Miliband worked together on this,as there are strong sceptics as to the EU in Labour too,then voters would have more likely believed it possible then.
Leadership should have been shown by David Cameron on that issue and not procrastination and desperation.

The more the EU is an issue at the forefront of the 2015 election the better UKIP will do,and although they will take votes from Labour, they aren't likely to be enough,I would say to stop Labour being the largest party and I do see a Labour/Lib Dem coalition likely in 2015 now.

These european elections have shown UKIP have the base to cause massive unpredictable results in 2015.
For me, the one sure thing is, these results and UKIP's position after them indicate more than ever that David Cameron's chances of any kind of overall majority are likely non existent.

Putting Europe at the heart of election campaigns usually fails badly.
Harold Wilson only scraped home in Oct.1974 with his EU referendum plan.
Willam Hague's disastrous EU save the pound campaign in 2001, had him called the leader of the dead parrot party.
Why we cannot reach a consensus on policy within the 2 main parties as to the EU is totally beyond me.

If that happened, there would be no need for the more extreme parties,(as to other policies),like UKIP.

[Livia]

Time to stop calling UKIP a protest party. They are a real threat to the General Election now, and unless the other parties want them to sweep to victory next year they have to get their heads out of their arses. I've said for a long time that they will want to try to forge a link with the Tories. I think now it's Tories who will want to forge a link with UKIP.

[joeysteele]

Time to stop calling UKIP a protest party. They are a real threat to the General Election now, and unless the other parties want them to sweep to victory next year they have to get their heads out of their arses. I've said for a long time that they will want to try to forge a link with the Tories. I think now it's Tories who will want to forge a link with UKIP.

Hmm, I think that may backfire although we are in uncertain and unpredictable territory.

UKIP needs to take and hold votes from Labour too,any pact,deal or link with the Conservatives would I think anyway drive any usual/past Labour voters back to Labour.
A sort of love for UKIP from disgruntled Labour and Lib Dem voters would not extend to a strong link by them with the Conservatives.
For the Conservatives what would UKIP also demand as part of such a deal.

Interesting to see what comes about and I may well be wrong but I see any reported deal/link/pact between the Conservatives and UKIP as weakness by the Conservatives and I think the voters would see it that way too.
Also of course UKIP want no time wasted on re-negotiations or reforms they just want 'out' of the EU.

A lot of my family are traditional Conservative voters,however they dislike UKIP with a passion,any deal with UKIP would see their votes going elsewhere,I am sure of that.

One thing is for certain Livia, the 2015 election doesn't look like being a dull one.

[Livia]

If the LibDems had no trouble forming a coalition with the Tories, I can't see it would be an enormous leap for UKIP.

Oh yes, Joey... 2015 is going to be very interesting. I have to say... I am so glad I'm not a part of it anymore! It felt quite strange not being at the count, strange but good LOL...

[joeysteele]

What is sad and I put the Conservatives as half and half as to the EU,I am sure a great many in the Conservative remain of the view that we are right to be a member of the EU.

This means that overall in an election where around at best 35% of voters bothered to vote that pro EU parties will have taken around 43% of the votes at present.
Excluding the Conservative votes.

Together at present,minus the Scottish votes, UKIP and Conservatives have around 51% of the votes cast from that around 35% turnout 'but' the Conservatives are not wholly anti EU.
Assuming then the Conservatives don't really go with the folly that coming out of the EU is the answer to all problems then where on earth on those figures does UKIP speak for the whole Nation.

That is why I think the Conservative party would do itself, and the UK as a whole, a massive 'reckless injustice' to band together with UKIP on this issue and it for sure doesn't need to be seen to be endorsing much of other UKIP policies too.
I think a coming together of Conservatives and Lib Dems, or Labour and Lib Dems is in fact a world away from any deal/pacts with UKIP.
However, the main parties have to see all that and respond 'responsibly' not play dangerous games with the future of the UK.

Lib Dems need to stop whining about mid term blues,(we are near the end of this govts. time in office,not halfway through) and apologise and set out to put right their massive betrayal of those who voted for them in 2010.
The Conservatives and Labour have to find separate or between them a rational and responsible policy towards the EU and immigration and stop allowing the demonising of both as the main reasons for any problems the UK has.

[Livia]

Great post joey.... joeysteele for Prime Minister. And EU President.

[Tom4784]

Oh Britain, you've disappointed me yet again.

[arista]

Scotland has 1 UKIP
same as Conservative

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/21/310447/default/v1/comp-1-1-522x293.jpg


we need all of these 4 in a Live TV debate
LBC/SkyNewsHD /BBC2HD

[Livia]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/21/310447/default/v1/comp-1-1-522x293.jpg


we need all of these 4 in a Live TV debate
LBC/SkyNewsHD /BBC2HD

Farage would win. The other three have been politicians too long, they twist and wriggle like a fish on a line, never answer a direct question and flim-flam rather than having the balls to give the answer they should be giving. Farage says what people want to hear. He's fearless and he's eloquent. It'd be a blood bath, we saw it with the Farage/Clegg debate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great post joey.... joeysteele for Prime Minister. And EU President.

No, his speeches would go on to long :nono:

[Livia]

No, his speeches would go on to long :nono:

There is never a superfluous word in joey's posts.

[joeysteele]

No, his speeches would go on to long :nono:

I'll do things my way and with respect you do yours, maybe I just have a bit more to say that's all.
No one forces you to read a single thing I post on here but while it is a forum and I am able to that,at the same time doing nothing wrong either,I am likely to continue.

I really fail to sse what your particular problem is with me anyway but that is fine.
However if I go on to long and I'd admit it is one of my kind of faults, just avoid my posts altogether,wer arely agree so I would guess that is the best option for you anyway with the fullest respect.

No need to be so rude at all LeatherTrumpet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'll do things my way and with respect you do yours, maybe I just have a bit more to say that's all.
No one forces you to read a single thing I post on here but while it is a forum and I am able to that,at the same time doing nothing wrong either,I am likely to continue.

I really fail to sse what your particular problem is with me anyway but that is fine.
However if I go on to long and I'd admit it is one of my kind of faults, just avoid my posts altogether,wer arely agree so I would guess that is the best option for you anyway with the fullest respect.

No need to be so rude at all LeatherTrumpet.

It was a joke joey you dont need to fall off your perch :nono:

[Livia]

Yeah, he was joking Joey... or he knows I'd duff him up.

[joeysteele]

It was a joke joey you dont need to fall off your perch :nono:

My apologies then, I do take time to get some humour,please ignore my previous post.
Again my apologies.

[Kizzy]

Farage is a one trick pony... where are his policies on anything other than immigration? Does anyone know or care?
Yes tories are making a leap like rats from a sinking ship to them in droves but as far as I see it UKIP are a rudderless raft.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My apologies then, I do take time to get some humour,please ignore my previous post.
Again my apologies.

:flowers:

think nothing of it

and yes, i fear Livia :worry:

[joeysteele]

I accept is a really strong showing for UKIP to top the results in these elections.
However,take into account the massive publicity UKIP had for weeks before them plus the releasing of the increased immigration figures on polling day too.

Factors which are not likely to be there in 2015.
Finally, there is in fact only just over 3.5% difference between UKIP in first place and the Conservatives in 3rd.
A small bit of movement of around just 2% and anyone of them could have topped this poll.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/26/311763/default/v2/cegrab-20140526-141210-0-1-626x352.jpg

Yes Clegg you Fecking Eyes have water in them
but talk Less - your like a robot.



Sign Of The Times

[arista]

Farage is a one trick pony... where are his policies on anything other than immigration? Does anyone know or care?
Yes tories are making a leap like rats from a sinking ship to them in droves but as far as I see it UKIP are a rudderless raft.



Yes but he is changing fast
and he connects with Labour Voters



Thats a Good Thing

[Jesus.]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/26/311763/default/v2/cegrab-20140526-141210-0-1-626x352.jpg

Yes Clegg you Fecking Eyes have water in them
but talk Less - your like a robot.



Sign Of The Times

Looks like a bit of redeye from a few hits on some westminster 'omegrown.

[Kizzy]

Yes but he is changing fast
and he connects with Labour Voters



Thats a Good Thing

No I don't think so, old conservative voters are now voting UKIP and all those who were mugged off by lib dem have gone back to labour.

[Livia]

Yes but he is changing fast
and he connects with Labour Voters



Thats a Good Thing

There's a lot of denial about who's voting for UKIP. The important thing for them is that they're connecting with people who actually get out and vote. The turnout for the Euro election was what, 35%? So that's around 65% of people really don't think it affects them, or they just can't be bothered. He's engaging people who vote from a variety of parties, mainly Conservative... but not exclusively.

[joeysteele]

Yes but he is changing fast
and he connects with Labour Voters



Thats a Good Thing

I really don't see UKIP as a good thing in any sense as to politics.
Their social policies that we know of are unacceptable to me, their gradually unearthing views as to healthcare and the NHS are extremely worrying.

The only thing I do hope is that Labour pressure Ed Miliband to agree to a referendum. That is the only way that the EU can be debated but not so prominantly in the 2015 election.

Ed Miliband should if he wins in 2015,just as any PM who takes that office should, also negotiate for reform and a better 'deal' for the UK from the EU.
That should be the norm for any PM in govt.

Unless that heat as to the EU is removed from the 2015 campaign then all there is going to be are endless tearing apart of David Cameron's and Ed Miliband's policy as to re-negotiation and reform of the EU,with UKIP letting them get on with it and wringing their hands with glee in the background.

In the event of UKIP winning seats of any quantity,(in the midst of Lib Dems woes), and having any holding of the balance of power,then deals will have to be done and demands met.
The thought of the Conservatives or anyone else allowing any implementation of UKIP's social policies is near unthinkable.
God forbid that ever comes to fruition.

[joeysteele]

There's a lot of denial about who's voting for UKIP. The important thing for them is that they're connecting with people who actually get out and vote. The turnout for the Euro election was what, 35%? So that's around 65% of people really don't think it affects them, or they just can't be bothered. He's engaging people who vote from a variety of parties, mainly Conservative... but not exclusively.

It is really odd Livia, today I was talking to some former student friends who were Lib Dems but voted UKIP last week.
They said they did so because it seemed everyone else was likely to.
These friends want to be in the EU,would not vote in a EU referendum and have no ideas as to UKIP's other policies.

I just don't get it.

[arista]

No I don't think so, old conservative voters are now voting UKIP and all those who were mugged off by lib dem have gone back to labour.


Typical of you to not have the Facts.



We know about Conservative going UKIP


But this time UP NORTH
in Labour only areas
UKIP got 8 on the council.



FACT

[Kizzy]

It is really odd Livia, today I was talking to some former student friends who were Lib Dems but voted UKIP last week.
They said they did so because it seemed everyone else was likely to.
These friends want to be in the EU,would not vote in a EU referendum and have no ideas as to UKIP's other policies.

I just don't get it.

Nobody does, and what's more I would say if they did they definitely wouldn't consider voting for them.
It was prob down to this daft idea of a protest vote that he did anyway, as someone said the other day a decent protest vote would be for the greens... but UKIP?! :conf:

[arista]

Looks like a bit of redeye from a few hits on some westminster 'omegrown.


Watch it on news
Its Water



He says nothing new


Boring Git he is

[Jack_]

No I don't think so, old conservative voters are now voting UKIP and all those who were mugged off by lib dem have gone back to labour.

I don't think that's true, Farage has conned a lot of the working class electorate into believing his anti-establishment, 'we're sticking up for the working man' nonsense and it's working. This all despite the fact he's a privately educated ex-businessman and his parties policies are anything but favourable for the working class. It's scary

One of my friends parents is a socialist and a Green/Labour voter, hates the Tories but voted UKIP on Thursday as part of this 'protest'. It's awful

[arista]

I don't think that's true, Farage has conned a lot of the working class electorate into believing his anti-establishment, 'we're sticking up for the working man' nonsense and it's working. This all despite the fact he's a privately educated ex-businessman and his parties policies are anything but favourable for the working class. It's scary

One of my friends parents is a socialist and a Green/Labour voter, hates the Tories but voted UKIP on Thursday as part of this 'protest'. It's awful


Yes Jack
more Wise than Kizzy

[Jesus.]

Watch it on news
Its Water



He says nothing new


Boring Git he is

Bong water from da 'erb?

[arista]

Bong water from da 'erb?


water from a cry
before the Interview start

[Jesus.]

water from a cry
before the Interview start

He got so stoned he was crying?

[arista]

He got so stoned he was crying?


Hands on his Head
TV news Live Feed in front of him

[Kizzy]

Yes Jack
more Wise than Kizzy

They got Rotherham I think which was a Labour stronghold yes, they got more conservative vote though in my opinion.... I can get facts if you really want some no need to be so rude.

[arista]

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

[Kizzy]

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

They got plenty of votes considering thy aren't wise guy :laugh:

[michael21]

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
*saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

so where did you party come that right no where utter fact

[joeysteele]

They got Rotherham I think which was a Labour stronghold yes, they got more conservative vote though in my opinion.... I can get facts if you really want some no need to be so rude.

Hi Kizzy.
They didn't get Rotherham, thankfully Kizzy,they just took 10 seats on the Council.
8 from Labour and 2 from the Conservatives,thst still leaves Labour with 41 and a really big majority on the Council.

To hear the media however you'd think they had wiped all other parties out on Rotherham council.

In strongholds of any party, the only party you can take from are in the main the strongest party there.
It is a fact though,they took 10 seats on the Council but nothing else happened and nothing changed either.

[arista]

Yes 8 Joey
still a shock for Labour


Made My Day.

[joeysteele]

Yes 8 Joey
still a shock for Labour


Made My Day.

Rather selective arista, they took 8 seats off labour's 58, they also took half of the Conservatives 4 seats leaving them with only 2.
Labour on Rotherham council now have 50 seats, all the other parties put together, UKIP, Conservatives and the one Independent number 13 only.

Leaving Labour with a still thumping 37 overall majority control.
What then really changed with all respect apart form a fairly good showing in a solid and safe council for Labour that took UKIP nowhere really.

[Kyle]

Hi Kizzy.
They didn't get Rotherham, thankfully Kizzy,they just took 10 seats on the Council.
8 from Labour and 2 from the Conservatives,thst still leaves Labour with 41 and a really big majority on the Council.

To hear the media however you'd think they had wiped all other parties out on Rotherham council.

In strongholds of any party, the only party you can take from are in the main the strongest party there.
It is a fact though,they took 10 seats on the Council but nothing else happened and nothing changed either.

Taking 10 seats off a town where you could stick a red rosette on a donkey and still expect to get a landslide is an achievement even if it doesn't change the council demographics too much.

Rotherham is well and truly pissed off with labour.

[Kizzy]

comin over ere... tekkin ar wimmim tekkin ar jobs..... :suspect:

[Kyle]

comin over ere... tekkin ar wimmim tekkin ar jobs..... :suspect:

Thar wot love? Ya got summert ta say to me say it to ma face.

[joeysteele]

Taking 10 seats off a town where you could stick a red rosette on a donkey and still expect to get a landslide is an achievement even if it doesn't change the council demographics too much.

Rotherham is well and truly pissed off with labour.

It doesn't however tell anything for the future or mean any real change. Rotherham was an area that moved against Labour, no doubt as to that, it was also an area that could have done so in a much bigger way than it did.
My guess is and it is only a guess,that Rotherham is still likely to remain Labour and that the seats lost to UKIP will gradually return.

For example,I recall some years ago wher,e I think it was Newcastle on Tyne,where the Lib Dems almost swept the board to turf Labour out of the Council,another area felt let down by Labour at the time.
The figures of the local results on thursday showed Labour, again and still, well and truly back in control of that council after the last 2 to 3 years of turning around that Lib Dem advance of the early 2000's then reclaiming it in 2011.
There will always be special local issues that influence voting in council elections which result in rises and falls.
What I was saying in the main was, while not taking away from UKIP the good results they got there in Rotherham, little will have really changed and I would be surprised if over the next Council elections that Labour don't begin to reverse those gains made.
Local elections are often very volatile,it is hard to read much into them.

Birmingham is another place too, which saw greta disillusionment with Labourwho were turfed out a good while ago, now that has been reversed and Labour solidly has control again.
The irony is that because UKIP took 8 seats from Labour in Rotherham, and did so ion many other areas too, that may well result in them being better councils for that happening.

[Kyle]

Aye your right I don't expect to see the trend continue too much unless Rotherham council really put their foot in it.

[joeysteele]

Aye your right I don't expect to see the trend continue too much unless Rotherham council really put their foot in it.

In all honesty Kyle, I just wish councillors and MPs would just accept that they are there to serve the people not take them for granted.

It really dismays me as someone who loves and is really interested in politics, that once they have power it is more often than not that power becomes and is abused by an ever growing number of those elected,benefitting very few who actually voted for those in power of all parties,Councils or Governments.

Power to govern should be an honour and humbling not something ending in corruption and arrogance towards those who are asked to elect same.

[arista]

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Yes many Labour Vote UKIP
because they do want want Ed

[Kyle]

In all honesty Kyle, I just wish councillors and MPs would just accept that they are there to serve the people not take them for granted.

It really dismays me as someone who loves and is really interested in politics, that once they have power it is more often than not that power becomes and is abused by an ever growing number of those elected,benefitting very few who actually voted for those in power of all parties,Councils or Governments.

Power to govern should be an honour and humbling not something ending in corruption and arrogance towards those who are asked to elect same.

You should have gone into politics Joey. I'd have voted for you. Someone with decency and knows what being a 'civil servant' is all about. I feel sorry for the people that go into politics with the same mandate as yours, they only get tarred with the same brush by cynical people like me who just can't be doing with it all anymore.

[Nedusa]

Just caught up reading the posts on this thread, some good comments by Joeysteele who talks more sense than a lot of Politicians.

I think UKIP are the protest vote party for a variety of reasons not just a knee jerk reaction to percieved mass immigration.

More a general protest vote by voters of all main parties who are fed up with their party's leaders performance ie Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband and their Party's performance since the last election.

I still think the abscence of any referendum on Britains future in Europe is still the major factor for UKIP's success and I think given similar voting sentiments in other European Country's the leaders of the Govt's in these main European Countries may seek to open a debate on the future of the European Project.

Failure now to address this issue could cause some of these major political parties to lose huge numbers of votes to right and far right parties across Europe.

[joeysteele]

Just caught up reading the posts on this thread, some good comments by Joeysteele who talks more sense than a lot of Politicians.

I think UKIP are the protest vote party for a variety of reasons not just a knee jerk reaction to percieved mass immigration.

More a general protest vote by voters of all main parties who are fed up with their party's leaders performance ie Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband and their Party's performance since the last election.

I still think the abscence of any referendum on Britains future in Europe is still the major factor for UKIP's success and I think given similar voting sentiments in other European Country's the leaders of the Govt's in these main European Countries may seek to open a debate on the future of the European Project.

Failure now to address this issue could cause some of these major political parties to lose huge numbers of votes to right and far right parties across Europe.


Thank you very much Nedusa for your comment at the start of your post.

You raise an important point as to a referendum.
I myself didn't want a referendum on the UK as to the EU and if there were one, I would vote to stay in all the way.

I do however now think you are 100% right, I agree the absence of a referendum is likely in the main, the reason for UKIP's success.
I am now persuaded that there should be one with no excuses for not having one either once in Govt.

I believe the problem with the Conservative promise of a referendum is that voters do not believe David Cameron will deliver one. He is not trusted to deliver it.
He was only provisionally afforded support and trust,being the leader of the largest party, in 2010 by the voters and it saw them leaving him well short of absolute control. I believe he will not get absolute control again in 2015 as he is a leader also not now trusted as to his word.

Which is why I have said, and now would like to see, Ed Miliband help lance this boil too by saying he would too support a referendum and also hold one if he won power in 2015.
If they are serious about giving the voters what they want and are really listening, then that for me is the only way forward and the only way to deal effectively with the EU issue.
You have it spot on Nedusa I would say now, there needs to be a referendum on the issue.

I personally would hope that the UK would vote to stay in.
Whatever the result however of it, thenwhat it does is it removes at a stroke the status and need for UKIP in the main.
If the vote was to come out then UKIP's work is done.
If the vote is to stay in then UKIP have been soundly defeated by the voters.

With both David Cameron and Ed Miliband, if it comes about, agreeing to hold a referendum whoever wins, then maybe, just maybe we can have an election campaign in 2015 on the issues that really matter most.
The economy, welfare, employment,Education and my own main issue the NHS and even immigration.
Instead of having a campaign dominated by the EU that will come across as childishly pathetic, dividing the country and opening up even more doors for parties like UKIP to walk through.

As for Nick Clegg, the Lib Dems just will not get the message that the voters are angry with him and them for the things they have given support to, not because they joined a coalition with the Conservatives.

It is the betrayal of trust from Nick Clegg and co. against the voters who voted Lib Dem that is behind their unpopularity.
That is the reason I hope Nick Clegg stays as leader, he definitely should again face the voters in 2015 and let them give him and his party their verdict on them.
He has made them wait the full 5 years to be able to do so,while having his own new nice little status promotion of the title of Deputy PM.