"like picking the best of four ugly girls " Joey Barton

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/30/article-2643386-1E51CFFB00000578-675_634x440.jpg
Last night on Question time.


['Voting for UKIP is like picking the best
of four ugly girls': Footballer Joey Barton
apologises for 'offensive' remarks on
Question Time as viewers of BBC show
complain it has hit a 'new low']

Video: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2643386/Voting-Ukip-like-picking-best-four-ugly-girls-Footballer-Joey-Barton-apologises-offensive-remarks-Question-Time-BBC-hits-new-low.html#ixzz33CTGzo4X



There was blokes clapping Joey

He would make a ideal UKIP politician.

[Drew.]

God amongst men

[Brother Leon]

So very true though :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

His views are meaningless.

[armand.kay]

:laugh2:

[Ramsay]

Boss

[Tom4784]

Bit of an over reaction.

[Cherie]

He actually spoke a bit of sense, as did Piers take away Europe and Immigration what other policies have UKIP actually got?

No to gay marriage
Privatise the NHS
and allow people to have hand guns (mini America here we come).

[Brother Leon]

His views are meaningless.

Should we all stop posting in serious debates then?

His views mean as much as anyone posting here or anyone else.

[arista]

He actually spoke a bit of sense, as did Piers take away Europe and Immigration what other policies have UKIP actually got?

No to gay marriage
Privatise the NHS
and allow people to have hand guns (mini America here we come).


Thats not a policy

[Me. I Am Salman]

is it **** :umm2:

Bit of an over reaction.

UKIP supporters deserve all the criticism and ridicule they get

[Livia]

Don't ask a footballer onto a serious political discussion show and expect him to behave like anything other than a man who kicks a football for a living.

[joeysteele]

I have massive concerns as to their NHS ideas, they may not yet be formalised policy but the overtones of their statements on healthcare don't impress me.

Yes Cherie, I also thought Joey talked a fair bit of sense in the programme and as he said, maybe he could made a better comment,he made a fair point even as to that.

I like the guy myself,it is odd to me however how he could get criticised for his comment of comparing the leaders of the parties to 4 ugly women but it was totally fine for the UKIP woman to class all footballers together and generalise that all their brains are in their feet.

[Cherie]

I have massive concerns as to their NHS ideas, they may not yet be formalised policy but the overtones of their statements on helthcare don't impress me.

Yes Cherie, I also thought Joey talked a fair bit of sense in the programme and as he said, maybe he could made a better comment,he made a fair point even as to that.

I like the guy myself,it is odd to me however how he could get criticised for his comment of comparing the leaders of the parties to 4 ugly women but it was totally fine for the UKIP woman to class all footballers together and generalise that all their brains are in their feet.

Extremely good point Joey, i didn't take offence at his comment, i thought it was a pretty good analogy!

[Tom4784]

is it **** :umm2:



UKIP supporters deserve all the criticism and ridicule they get

True but I don't think he was supporting them, He was just saying that in the voter's eyes they'll seem like the best of a bad bunch although they aren't.

[arista]

I have massive concerns as to their NHS ideas, they may not yet be formalised policy but the overtones of their statements on healthcare don't impress me.

Yes Cherie, I also thought Joey talked a fair bit of sense in the programme and as he said, maybe he could made a better comment,he made a fair point even as to that.

I like the guy myself,it is odd to me however how he could get criticised for his comment of comparing the leaders of the parties to 4 ugly women but it was totally fine for the UKIP woman to class all footballers together and generalise that all their brains are in their feet.


No its Typical
even old Dimby Smilled
he was thinking it will get the show
Free PR
for days.

[arista]

True but I don't think he was supporting them, He was just saying that in the voter's eyes they'll seem like the best of a bad bunch although they aren't.


Yes many that voted UKIP
were Labour voters.


Thats now a Fact

[joeysteele]

Yes many that voted UKIP
were Labour voters.


Thats now a Fact

They make up part of their votes arista, still more have come from the Conservatives.

However in fact, as many of the analysts have said as to their polling, the main bulk of their votes are coming from people who lean to certain parties but who normally don't vote.
Therefore it may well be that a great number who voted UKIP as to the EU elections particularly won't vote for them in a general election, as that voter said on QT last night,he voted UKIP this time but wouldn't in a general election'.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Should we all stop posting in serious debates then?

His views mean as much as anyone posting here or anyone else.

yes, like my views

[arista]

They make up part of their votes arista, still more have come from the Conservatives.

However in fact, as many of the analysts have said as to their polling, the main bulk of their votes are coming from people who lean to certain parties but who normally don't vote.
Therefore it may well be that a great number who voted UKIP as to the EU elections particularly won't vote for them in a general election, as that voter said on QT last night,he voted UKIP this time but wouldn't in a general election'.


Yes we are all aware of Conservatives jumping.

But so many Labour Voters are now going to UKIP
due to their pathetic Ed leader

[Crimson Dynamo]

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"This CCTV footage shows Newcastle United midfielder Joey Barton launching a vicious attack on a by-stander during a boozy night out in Liverpool. The layer punched the man 20 around times after he went out with mates and his cousin on Boxing Day 2008"

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/29/article-2643264-1E51F23400000578-900_634x356.jpg
Yes Joey you made your puddle - now sit in it.

Even on ITV1London News

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/29/article-2643264-1E51F23400000578-900_634x356.jpg
Yes Joey you made your puddle - now sit in it.

Even on ITV1London News

he made an arse of himself :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

And as for Morgan, go back to America you posh divot.

[Cherie]

is it **** :umm2:



UKIP supporters deserve all the criticism and ridicule they get

He wasn't supporting them, he was explaining why they might have done so well.

[joeysteele]

Yes we are all aware of Conservatives jumping.

But so many Labour Voters are now going to UKIP
due to their pathetic Ed leader

I think to balance it you may be right but I think it is more likely since I have talked to some who did,that their hopes were if UKIP did really well in the European elections etc; that Ed Miliband would also come to offer a referendum on the EU too.
Something I think in fact he probably will now but not before the conferences in the Autumn.
Claiming that he has listened and carefully considered the wishes of those likely 'loaned' Labour voters to UKIP.

For the Conservatives, it is a different picture.
Clearly what you say as to Ed Miliband must also apply to David Cameron since he has claimed to be tougher on immigration and is also on about holding a referendum,yet he is losing even more of his voters to UKIP.

Perhaps that is most probably because in the eyes of a good number of Conservative voters, he is already seen as a loser, by failing to secure an overall majority in 2010.
Furthermore and more to the point, also in looking like he will never come near to achieving one in 2015 either.

It is my guess,most of those Labour soft supporters will realise the only way to get this govt. out is to vote Labour and will,if they vote at all, duly do so in the 2015 election for Labour.
I don't really see the Conservative support going back to them however since David Cameron already has in place virtually UKIP's wishes as to the EU,yet a good number of usually Conservative supporters seem to not be listening or simply don't believe David Cameron on the issue.

I think Joey Barton too was right,he said in the elections just held,(not for future elections), that voters had seen UKIP as the best of a bad bunch at that time.
However he would have put it, as he did last night on QT or in a better less controversial way,I think he did get that spot on.

[GiRTh]

Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage. He may have no place on Question time but his point is a good one.

Morgan is also right. Ukip have no policies and to vote for them is little more than a protest vote. Their only policies are the obviously bigoted ones they find so hard to defend without crying 'Witch hunt'. It actually disgust me that Ukip are being taken seriously at all..

[joeysteele]

Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage. He may have no place on Question time but his point is a good one.

Morgan is also right. Ukip have no policies and to vote for them is little more than a protest vote. Their only policies are the obviously bigoted ones they find so hard to defend without crying 'Witch hunt'. It actually disgust me that Ukip are being taken seriously at all..

I can see why people are attracted to them with the help of the media unfortunately but I agree with all you say above.
I feel sad that by going to the extreme of the 2 policies they go on and on about,that has so far overridden the sinister and dark elements as to their other policies as they are being made.

[GiRTh]

I can see why people are attracted to them with the help of the media unfortunately but I agree with all you say above.
I feel sad that by going to the extreme of the 2 policies they go on and on about,that has so far overriden the sinister and dark elements as to their other policies as they are being made.Ukip are very much like the far religious right in USa. They will always have a voice and they will always have some support but when we drill down into what they really truly stand for there are no where near enough like minded people for them to be any kind of serious political force. The sooner Ukip are discredited the sooner we can get on to serious talk about next years election.

[joeysteele]

Ukip are very much like the far religious right in USa. They will always have a voice and they will always have some support but when we drill down into what they really truly stand for there are no where near enough like minded people for them to be any kind of serious political force. The sooner Ukip are discredited the sooner we can get on to serious talk about next years election.

I agree again Girth, for me really serious issues that need the attention in the 2015 election could I feel get lost in the media circus around UKIP.

[user104658]

I agree again Girth, for me really serious issues that need the attention in the 2015 election could I feel get lost in the media circus around UKIP.

This is, as always, completely the point of course. Loud noises in the media to keep people's heads turned away from the things they should be looking at. Much bigger forces at work, here.

[Kizzy]

Joey Barton?.... Why?.. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now, what a joke this programme is becoming.

[Shaun]

him and Piers Morgan on the same show? :umm2: good god the BBC is dumbing down.

[arista]

Joey Barton?.... Why?.. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now, what a joke this programme is becoming.


Its a ploy to the show in the papers

[Cherie]

Joey was good value and much more interesting than some of the fuddy duddys that you get on it at times. Surprised at you Kizzy! :hmph:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage. He may have no place on Question time but his point is a good one.

Morgan is also right. Ukip have no policies and to vote for them is little more than a protest vote. Their only policies are the obviously bigoted ones they find so hard to defend without crying 'Witch hunt'. It actually disgust me that Ukip are being taken seriously at all..

"Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage."

:laugh2:

[joeysteele]

Joey Barton?.... Why?.. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now, what a joke this programme is becoming.

Aah Kizzy, I like Joey.
I think however one of reasons he was on was possibly because they were holding this programme in Heathrow and one of the main questions was about the extra runway at heathrow.
Apparantly Joey lives in the flight path of it so was perhaps a kind of 'celebrity' resident.

To be fair to him, he made some really good points overall and was far more interesting that the time say they had Adam Rickett on.

Also arista made a good point that are probably looking for some controversy too and Joey can be volatile.however apart from the ugly women comment,which was blown out of all proportion,he handled himself pretty well for a first time on the show.
(They will be soon re-writing Cinderella next so that she can have ugly brothers and not just ugly sisters.)

Frankly,I would rather have Joey on then the sickening Daily Mail columnists they often wheel out onto the programme to spout off their prejudices.
Joey does have a good following among football supporters too so I think has as much right to be on than some others.
In fact I find it sad it hasn't progressed to the point where some 'ordinary person' joins the panel.
Like Joey they would likely speak their mind and not be toeing some daft party line.

[MTVN]

Barton is a highly intelligent individual, the Nietzsche of the 21st century you could say

[smudgie]

Joey Barton..a thug with half a brain.

[Nedusa]

Can anyone tell me why that brainless thug was on Question Time ?

[arista]

Can anyone tell me why that brainless thug was on Question Time ?


To get this Edition Debated on the news and Radio


PR for QT

[joeysteele]

He is volatile,he is a hothead and fails to control himself on and off the pitch but he showed on QT that he had deep thinking too and talked a great deal of sense throughout to be fair to him.
By the end of the programme I was really glad he had been asked to go on it.He still does have a right to have opinions which is what QT is about.

[Kizzy]

Joey was good value and much more interesting than some of the fuddy duddys that you get on it at times. Surprised at you Kizzy! :hmph:

I can't get past the assault thing sorry he just seems like a bit of a thug, I will watch the whole thing though only heard this one comment so really should watch the entire show.

[Livia]

Barton is a highly intelligent individual, the Nietzsche of the 21st century you could say

That analogy is a great one, if the Neitzsche you refer to is not in fact Friedrich Nietzsche, but Freddie's younger brother Simpel Neitzsche, who was really rather slow at anything academic but was the captain of the Schule Fussball team.

[Z]

To be fair - a lot of people ironically follow Joey Barton's nuggets of wisdom on Twitter and considering how alienated the vast majority of the population is from the politics of the UK I can only imagine that trying to draw people in with controversial media figures is the best way to get people to tune in. I think UKIP getting any kind of traction in the UK is simply because the current state of play of politics is dismal and people are fed up and are taking their frustrations out by voting for a radical extremist party. I don't think people are any more inherently racist than they have been in the past, it's just that there's nothing worth voting for in this country so they're getting behind the only party with bold views on anything.

[GiRTh]

"Joey Barton is much more of a man of the people than Farage."

:laugh2:Whats funny? Do you really think Farage is a man who can speak for the average man in the street? Now that's laughable. :laugh2:

In fact any footballer on 100k plus a week is still more in touch with the average man than Farage.

[joeysteele]

To be fair - a lot of people ironically follow Joey Barton's nuggets of wisdom on Twitter and considering how alienated the vast majority of the population is from the politics of the UK I can only imagine that trying to draw people in with controversial media figures is the best way to get people to tune in. I think UKIP getting any kind of traction in the UK is simply because the current state of play of politics is dismal and people are fed up and are taking their frustrations out by voting for a radical extremist party. I don't think people are any more inherently racist than they have been in the past, it's just that there's nothing worth voting for in this country so they're getting behind the only party with bold views on anything.

Good and fair post in my opinion. This also was sort of what Joey was saying on QT as well.
As he said, UKIP appeared to be the best of a bad lot at this time in those elections just held,perhaps he should have said it was like a choice between 4 ugly guys as to who was the best on the day.
He would have had no controversy to that comment at all.

As you rightly say, he has dedicated followers on twitter across a range of topics too so it seems plenty like to hear him or read what he says.

[Northern Monkey]

I can't for the life of me see how what he said could be considered sexist,Maybe predjudiced against ugly people,but not sexist.That UKIP lady could'nt wait to throw the sexism card out there.JB should have just replied to her that 'Ugly is'nt gender specific'(if his brains were'nt in his feet)

[Livia]

I can't for the life of me see how what he said could be considered sexist,Maybe predjudiced against ugly people,but not sexist.That UKIP lady could'nt wait to throw the sexism card out there.JB should have just replied to her that 'Ugly is'nt gender specific'(if his brains were'nt in his feet)

He wasn't talking about ugly men.

His comment suggests that females who aren't physically attractive are worth less than those who are. Sexist. And stupid.

[Northern Monkey]

He wasn't talking about ugly men.

His comment suggests that females who aren't physically attractive are worth less than those who are. Sexist. And stupid.

Still not sexist.The exact same thing can be said about men.He was'nt comparing women to men or saying that women in general are somehow worth less than men.I agree with you on the stupid part though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whats funny? Do you really think Farage is a man who can speak for the average man in the street? Now that's laughable. :laugh2:

In fact any footballer on 100k plus a week is still more in touch with the average man than Farage.

over 5 million people just voted for farage

what numbers have you got for barton?

15,000 at QPR?:joker:

[GiRTh]

over 5 million people just voted for farage

what numbers have you got for barton?

15,000 at QPR?:joker:Did they vote for Farage or did they like his policy of blaming others for their inadequacies?

He's a nice easy option for some people but he aint no voice of the people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did they vote for Farage or did they like his policy of blaming others for their inadequacies?

They voted for a likeable skilful politician who understands the real concerns of people.

but that wont fit your left wing idealistic fairytale worldview so dont fight it

[GiRTh]

They voted for a likeable skilful politician who understands the real concerns of people.

but that wont fit your left wing idealistic fairytale worldview so dont fight it
Likeable? That alone is debatable.

Real concerns? Dont make me laugh. He enables the public to blame others for their shortcomings..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Likeable? That alone is debatable.

Real concerns? Dont make me laugh. He enables the public to blame others for their shortcomings..

another Daily Mirror reader....

sigh

[GiRTh]

another Daily Mirror reader....

sighNever read the Mirror in my life mate. Try again.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The only people on this entire forum that find him likeable is you and Nedusa, doesn't that say a lot :unsure:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The only people on this entire forum that find him likeable is you and Nedusa, doesn't that say a lot :unsure:

The forum is principally young, non property owners, non kids, non voters - so that says plenty

[Livia]

Still not sexist.The exact same thing can be said about men.He was'nt comparing women to men or saying that women in general are somehow worth less than men.I agree with you on the stupid part though.

The exact same thing could be said about men, but that fact is, it wasn't. He didn't say women in general were worth less than men, he said women he doesn't consider attractive are worth less.

If he wants to be taken seriously, on a serious programme, he needs to think about the impact of what he's saying.

[Livia]

The forum is principally young, non property owners, non kids, non voters - so that says plenty

*cough cough*

[Crimson Dynamo]

*cough cough*

And daft old bats on their ride-on-mowers


happy now?

:hehe:

[joeysteele]

I think he may have learned again from this example that in this crazy politically correct country where you have to watch every single thing you say when in public, to maybe say people instead of just saying women in future.
I say again had he said 4 ugly men, no one would have batted an eyelid and anyone who got upset at him saying 4 ugly men would have probably been called petty and ridiculous.

Then again if someone doesn't like Joey Barton then the slightest thing he says that is in any way something to get at him for,so be it.

I still stand by my view that he talked a lot of sense on that programme and made that one error.
Hardly a hanging offence.

He is a controversial figure and many others have said far worse on that programme such as one 'more emminent' person who totally derided british soldiers for instance.
However whether I like someone or not,they will get a chance from me as to their views,which are the things that matter and Joey said a lot I agreed with on QT on thursday.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think he may have learned again from this example that in this crazy politically correct country where you have to watch every single thing you say when in public, to maybe say people instead of just saying women in future.
I say again had he said 4 ugly men, no one would have batted an eyelid and anyone who got upset at him saying 4 ugly men would have probably been called petty and ridiculous.

Then again if someone doesn't like Joey Barton then the slightest thing he says that is in any way something to get at him for,so be it.

I still stand by my view that he talked a lot of sense on that programme and made that one error.
Hardly a hanging offence.

He is a controversial figure and many others have said far worse on that programme such as one 'more emminent' person who totally derided british soldiers for instance.
However whether I like someone or not,they will get a chance from me as to their views,which are the things that matter and Joey said a lot I agreed with on QT on thursday.

Do you recall any "sense" that he talked?

[joeysteele]

Do you recall any "sense" that he talked?

Yes I do,actually, he pointed out the disillusionment there was with politicians and politics in general especially as to the young in the main, he was spot on with the younger voters going out and voting for the Lib Dems last time then being let down as to tuition fees.

I agreed with a lot he said about HEATHROW and the extra runway too,living in the flight path he had a valid point to make and frankly he made Piers Morgan seem silly by Piers saying he too lived in the flight path but he now mainly lived in the States.

He was right,in my view, to a lot of voters,likely ones who don't usually vote, UKIP did in the elections that were just held,come across as the best of a bad lot at that time.
I also agreed with him that it could be a different story when the general election comes in 2015 however.

He spoke in my view a great deal more sense than Piers Morgan for starters and for that matter David Willets and Margaret Curran.
Even on the Chilcott report too.

[Livia]

And daft old bats on their ride-on-mowers


happy now?

:hehe:

Not happy, no. Far from it. Who would be happy being called daft and old when I'm neither.

[Northern Monkey]

The exact same thing could be said about men, but that fact is, it wasn't. He didn't say women in general were worth less than men, he said women he doesn't consider attractive are worth less.

If he wants to be taken seriously, on a serious programme, he needs to think about the impact of what he's saying.
^Agreed with your last sentence.
Still not sexist though.I just don't like all these 'ists' and 'isms' being thrown around like candy,It's too easy to brand someone sexist or racist for comments which are not.That UKIP politician used it as a cheapshot imo because he was being derogatory about her party,That lady in the crowd more than likely would'nt have picked up on it if it was'nt used as against him by the UKIP politician.

[Livia]

^Agreed with your last sentence.
Still not sexist though.I just don't like all these 'ists' and 'isms' being thrown around like candy,It's too easy to brand someone sexist or racist for comments which are not.That UKIP politician used it as a cheapshot imo because he was being derogatory about her party,That lady in the crowd more than likely would'nt have picked up on it if it was'nt used as against him by the UKIP politician.

Whether you consider it sexist or not is neither here nor there. You cannot tell people not to be offended because something doesn't offend you personally.

It's extraordinarily easy to say something is sexist when it actually is. Whether you like it not, whether you like 'isms' or 'ists', it was a clear cut case of someone making a sexist statement. If someone used an analogy like that where I work, their arse would be bounced out the door so far their head would spin.

The politician and the woman in the crowd would have had nothing to pick him up on if he hadn't given them the ammunition. And the woman in the audience said she had agreed with him up to that point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes I do,actually, he pointed out the disillusionment there was with politicians and politics in general especially as to the young in the main, he was spot on with the younger voters going out and voting for the Lib Dems last time then being let down as to tuition fees.

I agreed with a lot he said about HEATHROW and the extra runway too,living in the flight path he had a valid point to make and frankly he made Piers Morgan seem silly by Piers saying he too lived in the flight path but he now mainly lived in the States.

He was right,in my view, to a lot of voters,likely ones who don't usually vote, UKIP did in the elections that were just held,come across as the best of a bad lot at that time.
I also agreed with him that it could be a different story when the general election comes in 2015 however.

He spoke in my view a great deal more sense than Piers Morgan for starters and for that matter David Willets and Margaret Curran.
Even on the Chilcott report too.

his nimby comment about heathrow was quickly delt with and if you are comparing him with Morgan its hardly a good touchstone. His views were platitudes or obvious statements (the young dont vote, they are not engaged, the Lib Dems are sh1t?) - essentially he was schooled by the UKip lady.

[joeysteele]

his nimby comment about heathrow was quickly delt with and if you are comparing him with Morgan its hardly a good touchstone. His views were platitudes or obvious statements (the young dont vote, they are not engaged, the Lib Dems are sh1t?) - essentially he was schooled by the UKip lady.

Let's put it this way, I agreed with a great deal he said,you didn't and never will so we go round in circles.

He was on the programme to give his views which he did and many other panellists over the series of programmes of QT state the obvious often far more experienced and political ones too.

I was fairly impressed with him on QT in comparison to many others who I am less impressed with on QT at times.

I don't agree with you as to how he came across on the programme or your perception of him either.
Likewise you fail to see any of my points I mention as to him even when I give a detailed answer to you, so I now, with the fullest respect to you, see no point in flogging a dead horse any longer with you on the issue.

[Nedusa]

The only people on this entire forum that find him likeable is you and Nedusa, doesn't that say a lot :unsure:

Doesn't say a lot for the people on this Forum then ?

[Kizzy]

The analogy was a bit off and ill thought out but suggesting someone is 'ist' due to one rude comment is maybe OTT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Paul Hayward, chief sports writer for The Telegraph wrote that Barton "manages to be patronised [by the media] and held up as some kind of exemplar all at once ... he is skilled at tricking us into watching him veer between the extremes of thinker and thug. Either this is a repudiation of societal hypocrisy or, more likely, indicative of a sociopathic tendency."

[Marc]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/30/article-2643386-1E51CFFB00000578-675_634x440.jpg

His face says it all

[Kizzy]

I think his hair says it all :idc: