Flipping Burgers is a start , Min Wage USA needs to stay as it is

[arista]

The Former CEO started flipping burgers
the went up the ladder.



If the USA puts the Min Wage Up
many of those start up jobs will stop.


People have to start working somewhere
Its important to have these low paid start up jobs.

Ref: Cashin' In , FoxNewsHD



Life In The City

[InOne]

Why do we care about people flipping burgers in the USA?

[arista]

Why do we care about people flipping burgers in the USA?


Yes because if they change
we do.



Link For Kizzy
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/22/mcdonalds-ceo-protesters-headquarters-agm-chicago

[Me. I Am Salman]

McDonalds is a HORRIBLE place to work. I genuinely used to go sleep and night hearing the machine noises.. and whenever I go there to eat I get flashbacks. And all for £4 something an hour.. my friend got paid double in his job, it was so embarassing.

they really do need to increase the pay, it's slave labour. feel so sorry for the people who work there all week in order to make a living, it's no life at all

[arista]

McDonalds is a HORRIBLE place to work. I genuinely used to go sleep and night hearing the machine noises.. and whenever I go there to eat I get flashbacks. And all for £4 something an hour.. my friend got paid double in his job, it was so embarassing.

they really do need to increase the pay, it's slave labour. feel so sorry for the people who work there all week in order to make a living, it's no life at all


MIAS
you could have become a Manager


Flashbacks are for those from War Zones

Man Up

[Crimson Dynamo]

McDs is a great job for a young person. Work hard, get many promotions, learn about life and get free food.

jobs a good un

[Me. I Am Salman]

I constantly just applied online and finally got a job (at McDonalds lol)

I ****ing work my arse off cooking and cleaning in McDonalds and only get £4.50 an hour

I was fired after 3-4 weeks

it was really busy and I was alone at fries and the floor was a mess, all covered in oil. I had no time to clean it though because you have to take your apron off / bring the mop from the backroom / place the wetfloor sign which would have meant customers' time being wasted. Bear in mind this was during Ramadan & I was fasting and that made me even more exhausted. The owner (my store is part of a chain of five other stores and he's the one who runs it all) just happened to visit (he was this really big, REALLY intimidating Iranian guy) and saw what was going on, then asked me how long I've been working there so I said 4 weeks (which is 8 days as I only did weekends) and he seemed really angry and next thing I know one of my managers calls me to the office, tells me to sign a sheet and hand in my uniform. o had to do it along with the super

I'm so glad I'm not working there, it was AWFUL. One week there was an upcoming inspection so they deconstructed all the cabinets and stuff in the kitchen and made me clean all the wheels with a brush and a bucket of soapy water. It had to be immaculate, I even spent up to fifteen goddamn minutes on some wheels. And even then it apparently wasn't good enough. Then they made me clean the insides of the metal cabinet which bruised and cut my hands a bit and this kind of excess cleaning was apparently going on the next day too so I called in sick lmao. I was like the only crew member who had to do it along with the supervisors and managers, which was really unfair. It was genuinely like slavery and all for £4.25 an hour.. did I mention that the supervisors treat you like ****. The only good thing about the job were the other crew members who were amazing, although one or two were quite bitchy and rude

a thrilling saga

[Crimson Dynamo]

a thrilling saga

Yes and that saga tells me why they fired you:nono:

[arista]

McDs is a great job for a young person. Work hard, get many promotions, learn about life and get free food.

jobs a good un




Bang on Right LT

[Toy Soldier]

Oh yeah. You can learn all about life... Working at McDonald's. :joker:

I fear that some of you have a slightly idealised understanding of the realities of working on the bottom rungs of these large companies. You are an ant amount thousands, the chance of progression is slim and more often than not, down to luck (being in the right place at the right time when a position opens up). Or of course, your ability to be female and willing to suck a fat greasy dick in for a £1 an hour promotion.

Because the lower level management positions in these companies don't pay much over minimum wage either.

Working full time somewhere like that is a miserable job and a miserable existence. A couple of days a week for a bit of pocket money, fine, but a full time "career"? No. It's dead end rat slog.

[Livia]

If it was the only thing I could get, I'd do it. It doesn't have to be long term.

[arista]

Oh yeah. You can learn all about life... Working at McDonald's. :joker:

I fear that some of you have a slightly idealised understanding of the realities of working on the bottom rungs of these large companies. You are an ant amount thousands, the chance of progression is slim and more often than not, down to luck (being in the right place at the right time when a position opens up). Or of course, your ability to be female and willing to suck a fat greasy dick in for a £1 an hour promotion.

Because the lower level management positions in these companies don't pay much over minimum wage either.

Working full time somewhere like that is a miserable job and a miserable existence. A couple of days a week for a bit of pocket money, fine, but a full time "career"? No. It's dead end rat slog.


Utter Bollocks


the former CEO On McD
started at the bottom.


The Young Today are to sloppy
Get To Work
and stay at Work
Climb The Ladder




Feel The Force

[arista]

If it was the only thing I could get, I'd do it. It doesn't have to be long term.


You are Most Wise Livia

[Vicky.]

Working in burger king introduced me to drugs. I **** you not.

My manager used to have us on ridiculously long shifts everyday, like literally 16/18 hour shifts constantly (I was doing 100+ hour weeks at one point :o Wages seemed amazing for a 18 year old when being paid for that many hours). And he used to give us all ecstasy and speed to get through them...

[arista]

Working in burger kind introduced me to drugs. I **** you not.

My manager used to have us on ridiculously long shifts everyday, like literally 16/18 hour shifts constantly (I was doing 100 hour weeks at one point :o Wages seemed amazing for a 18 year old when being paid for that many hours). And he used to give us all ecstasy and speed to get through them...



OK Vicky
but not all managers are like that

[Marsh.]

Working in burger king introduced me to drugs. I **** you not.

My manager used to have us on ridiculously long shifts everyday, like literally 16/18 hour shifts constantly (I was doing 100+ hour weeks at one point :o Wages seemed amazing for a 18 year old when being paid for that many hours). And he used to give us all ecstasy and speed to get through them...

WTF? :eek:

:laugh2: Sounds like a sweat shop.

[Me. I Am Salman]

did they help?

[Vicky.]

WTF? :eek:

:laugh2: Sounds like a sweat shop.

Seemed great at the time tbh

Unsurprisingly...when I let slip to my mother about how they ran things..she hit the roof. Ended up going in and threatening my manager and I got sacked :laugh:

[Me. I Am Salman]

You should've sold your story to The Sun or something :nono:

[Vicky.]

:laugh: maybe.

[swinearefine]

Working in burger king introduced me to drugs. I **** you not.

My manager used to have us on ridiculously long shifts everyday, like literally 16/18 hour shifts constantly (I was doing 100+ hour weeks at one point :o Wages seemed amazing for a 18 year old when being paid for that many hours). And he used to give us all ecstasy and speed to get through them...

That's funny, my friend worked at a fast food place and the managers did the same thing except with adderall.

But as for the article (shockingly from Fox) it is totally inaccurate in assuming that fast food workers are just starting up. Many are older adults who are supporting families, who are the main source of income, and who still aren't able to get by with the poverty wages they are paid, at least here in America. Poverty wage jobs like this actually destroy the economy by forcing employees to seek out government assistance while the higher-ups get richer and richer. Plus most people I know who worked at McDonalds hated it and weren't pleased with how they were treated in regards to scheduling/pay/management and see little incentive to work hard or take pride in their work.

[Toy Soldier]

Utter Bollocks


The Current CEO On McD Don Thompson
started at the bottom.


The Young Today are to sloppy
Get To Work
and stay at Work
Climb The Ladder




Feel The Force

And therefore, everyone who starts at the bottom in McDonald's will also one day become CEO?

Your logic is "utter bollocks". The fact that a few people who started at the bottom have risen to have high flying (or even acceptable) careers actually says NOTHING AT ALL about the career progression that most new starts can expect. Most will get nowhere. And it has very little to do with how hard they're willing to work.

Maybe the McD's CEO was just really good at sucking dick. Maybe literally. Definitely metaphorically.

[Toy Soldier]

If it was the only thing I could get, I'd do it. It doesn't have to be long term.

If it was the only thing I could get I'd do it too, but I'd rather do pretty much anything else. Legal or otherwise.

[Toy Soldier]

" Don Thompson (born 1963) is the president and chief executive officer of McDonald's, succeeding Jim Skinner on June 30, 2012.[1][2] Thompson is an electrical engineer who joined McDonald's in 1990 from a fighter jet maker that is now part of Northrop Grumman. At McDonald's he designed robotic equipment for food transport and made control circuits for cooking."

" Thompson is a graduate of Purdue University and holds an honorary doctorate from Excelsior College. Thompson is a Brother of the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. [2]"


CHECK YOUR FACTS Arista. "the bottom" indeed.

[InOne]

People keep telling me this is a good book:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Fast_food_nation.jpg

[arista]

" Don Thompson (born 1963) is the president and chief executive officer of McDonald's, succeeding Jim Skinner on June 30, 2012.[1][2] Thompson is an electrical engineer who joined McDonald's in 1990 from a fighter jet maker that is now part of Northrop Grumman. At McDonald's he designed robotic equipment for food transport and made control circuits for cooking."

" Thompson is a graduate of Purdue University and holds an honorary doctorate from Excelsior College. Thompson is a Brother of the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. [2]"


CHECK YOUR FACTS Arista. "the bottom" indeed.


My Facts are right

wiki - not enough on it.


He was on a Bloomberg docu.

[Toy Soldier]

My Facts are right

wiki - not enough on it.


He was on a Bloomberg docu.

Whether it tells the full story or not is irrelevant - he is a skilled engineer, a university graduate and a golden ticket frat boy. To represent him as a "rags to riches" Cinderella story who clawed his way through the company from burger flipper to CEO, is a complete work of fiction.

[Ninastar]

If it was the only thing I could get, I'd do it. It doesn't have to be long term.

this.

there are people who would do anything for a job. It's not that bad.

people shouldn't look down on others for working at mcdonalds. If it was that horrific, they wouldn't eat there.

[arista]

Whether it tells the full story or not is irrelevant - he is a skilled engineer, a university graduate and a golden ticket frat boy. To represent him as a "rags to riches" Cinderella story who clawed his way through the company from burger flipper to CEO, is a complete work of fiction.


http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/our_company/leadership/don_thompson.html

[Toy Soldier]

http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/our_company/leadership/don_thompson.html



He started Flipping Burgers
at McD
Ref: Bloomberg Docu

What are you linking to? Did you even read it yourself?

"During his 23 years at McDonald’s, Thompson has helped drive business results and global strategic innovation across the organization. Since joining as an electrical engineer in 1990, he has held a variety of key leadership positions within the company including Regional Vice President, Division President and Chief Operating Officer. Between 2006 and 2010, Thompson served as President of McDonald’s USA, the company’s largest business segment. Most recently as President and COO of McDonald’s Corporation"

He joined McDonald's as an engineer, a University graduate, nowhere near minimum wage. It says so on their own site. You just... Linked to it. He was not "flipping burgers"... He was probably on a six figure salary??

He was also at this point already fraternity. If you don't know what that means, then you're more naive than I'd given you credit for.

[arista]

What are you linking to? Did you even read it yourself?

"During his 23 years at McDonald’s, Thompson has helped drive business results and global strategic innovation across the organization. Since joining as an electrical engineer in 1990, he has held a variety of key leadership positions within the company including Regional Vice President, Division President and Chief Operating Officer. Between 2006 and 2010, Thompson served as President of McDonald’s USA, the company’s largest business segment. Most recently as President and COO of McDonald’s Corporation"

He joined McDonald's as an engineer, a University graduate, nowhere near minimum wage. It says so on their own site. You just... Linked to it. He was not "flipping burgers"... He was probably on a six figure salary??

He was also at this point already fraternity. If you don't know what that means, then you're more naive than I'd given you credit for.


Yes TS it was the former CEO
that started flipping burgers from the start
I am in Error.

[Vicky.]

This idea of doubling the wage though..its ridiculous. Imagine if they did that here and McDonalds workers and such ended up on £13 per hour...it would be one of the most popular jobs going :joker:

I think in service based min wage jobs, the workers should get a bonus depending on the profit of the company though. Quite like wetherspoons do. My sister was working all hours on min wage which seemed bad, BUT she got a bonus each month depending on how well her restaurant did

[arista]

This idea of doubling the wage though..its ridiculous. Imagine if they did that here and McDonalds workers and such ended up on £13 per hour...it would be one of the most popular jobs going :joker:


Yes America is Crazy

[Toy Soldier]

This idea of doubling the wage though..its ridiculous. Imagine if they did that here and McDonalds workers and such ended up on £13 per hour...it would be one of the most popular jobs going :joker:

I think in service based min wage jobs, the workers should get a bonus depending on the profit of the company though. Quite like wetherspoons do. My sister was working all hours on min wage which seemed bad, BUT she got a bonus each month depending on how well her restaurant did

Well, it would be pretty sought after if it was paying £13 an hour and the NMW was still £7ish. If ALL min-wage jobs were £13 on the other hand... I'd genuinely choose almost any other job over fast food service. In busy ones it looks truly horrendous.

Although, I'd rather do that than work for Aldi... they work their staff like dogs. I've literally never seen more miserable, frazzled looking staff, anywhere.

[Vicky.]

Well, it would be pretty sought after if it was paying £13 an hour and the NMW was still £7ish. If ALL min-wage jobs were £13 on the other hand... I'd genuinely choose almost any other job over fast food service. In busy ones it looks truly horrendous.

Although, I'd rather do that than work for Aldi... they work their staff like dogs. I've literally never seen more miserable, frazzled looking staff, anywhere.

Its not actually that bad. Before the mad hours and drug taking started I quite enjoyed it at times really. I worked in a busy restaurant and the shifts flew over because you never really stop.

Worst job I ever had was working in a calls centre. MUCH much worse than fast food.

[Toy Soldier]

Yes TS it was the former CEO
that started flipping burgers from the start
I am in Error.

That's fair enough.

However, I would add as a final thought... why do you think there was a documentary about him? It can only be because his story is interesting... and it can only be interesting because it is so uncommon. Very, very few people ever rise through the ranks of a company like that. McDonalds has potentially millions of entry level staff worldwide, and only a handful of top-level positions... the likelihood of achieving that sort of success as someone starting on the bottom rung, is tiny.

You might as well say "buying lottery tickets is thew way to go - someone has to win, right?".

Hard work can play a part but it's a relatively small one when it comes to progression within a company, SO much more of it is down to making the right friends and kissing the right arses, and even more of it is down to simply being in the right place at the right time when an opportunity arises to progress. In other words; dumb luck. The vast majority of enrty-level McDonalds staff will simply never progress much beyond minimum wage (maybe duty manager / assistant manager level... still doesn't pay very well) no matter how hard they work or how good they are at the job.

[arista]

That's fair enough.

However, I would add as a final thought... why do you think there was a documentary about him? It can only be because his story is interesting... and it can only be interesting because it is so uncommon. Very, very few people ever rise through the ranks of a company like that. McDonalds has potentially millions of entry level staff worldwide, and only a handful of top-level positions... the likelihood of achieving that sort of success as someone starting on the bottom rung, is tiny.

You might as well say "buying lottery tickets is thew way to go - someone has to win, right?".

Hard work can play a part but it's a relatively small one when it comes to progression within a company, SO much more of it is down to making the right friends and kissing the right arses, and even more of it is down to simply being in the right place at the right time when an opportunity arises to progress. In other words; dumb luck. The vast majority of enrty-level McDonalds staff will simply never progress much beyond minimum wage (maybe duty manager / assistant manager level... still doesn't pay very well) no matter how hard they work or how good they are at the job.

Yes but its a start.
No one has to stay at McD
but it makes you work hard
in other jobs,

[Vicky.]

My friend got promoted to supervisor about 4 months after starting work at BK. However the wage was exactly the same, the only difference was she got to sit in the office doing basically **** all gossiping with the other supervisors/managers while everyone else had to take on her workload :bored:

[arista]

My friend got promoted to supervisor about 4 months after starting work at BK. However the wage was exactly the same, the only difference was she got to sit in the office doing basically **** all gossiping with the other supervisors/managers while everyone else had to take on her workload :bored:


Sure
thats wrong of BK

[Vicky.]

Isn't that normal for managers/supervisors/etc? The higher up you get, the less work it actually is. Only usually you get paid more for doing less.

I swear if companies cut out the ridiculous amount of people getting paid loads for doing nothing, they could take on more staff/pay current staff much more.

[Toy Soldier]

Isn't that normal for managers/supervisors/etc? The higher up you get, the less work it actually is. Only usually you get paid more for doing less.

I swear if companies cut out the ridiculous amount of people getting paid loads for doing nothing, they could take on more staff/pay current staff much more.

It's very true, especially true the larger a company gets, as there are so many people in "supervisory" roles that no one notices when a large chunk of them are doing absolutely nothing at all. Worse than that; often the roles are poorly defined, and the people themselves in the roles don't really know exactly what they're supposed to be doing. So they just potter about trying to make themselves look busy, justifying their own position, whilst the people lower down get on with the actual work (and in truth, everything would tick along just fine without the supervisory roles).

The company I work for is constantly shifting its management structure and inventing new supervisory roles. Being "promoted" to one is employment suicide. A year later they realise - without fail - that they didn't need to create that role, but the positions that those people came from have already been filled with replacements, and so the poor sap who was "promoted" ends up in the dole queue as soon as their redundancy payment runs out.

This is quite typical of large companies these days. Things have changed massively in the last 5-to-10 years... and are certainly a long way from how things were back in the '70s when the example in the OP was climbing the ranks. The capitalist west was booming and America was genuinely full of opportunity and optimism. That is not 2014.

[Nedusa]

I am currently working as the CEO of a large Multi-National Company....but only until a good Fast Food job opens up.

I can't wait to start flippin burgers again, you never get tired of the smell of the grease in your clothes and hair.