The National Crime Agency is warning computer users they have two weeks to protect ag

[michael21]

The National Crime Agency is warning computer users they have two weeks to protect against a "powerful computer attack

http://news.sky.com/story/1273922/two-weeks-to-prepare-for-cyber-attack

every getting hack in two weeks :bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'm sure it won't affect me. :idc:

[michael21]

I'm sure it won't affect me. :idc:

best be sure

[Ryan57]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-VNaPVwsZ5RQ/TgJYq5d4rYI/AAAAAAAACpU/ZBAPmoXK_no/June-20-2011-roy-brace_thumb%25255B4%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

[Josy]

The National Crime Agency is warning computer users they have two weeks to protect against a "powerful computer attack

http://news.sky.com/story/1273922/two-weeks-to-prepare-for-cyber-attack

every getting hack in two weeks :bawling::bawling::bawling:

No it isn't

Its basically just telling people to make sure anti virus, firewalls and malware protection is up to date, don't click dodgy links, don't open unknown attachments and so on.

Basic safety that everyone should be doing if they go online anyway.

[michael21]

No it isn't

Its basically just telling people to make sure anti virus, firewalls and malware protection is up to date, don't click dodgy links, don't open unknown attachments and so on.

Basic safety that everyone should be doing if they go online anyway.

well there maybe member that have not updated anti virus, firewalls and malware protection so now is the time to updated

[smeagol]

anti virus wont save you if you get it.

were all dooooooooooooooooomed lol

they can have my bank balance if they want lol. they will probably feel sorry for me and deposit some cash with any luck

[Jordan.]

I'm scared it just came up as a headline on itv news :unsure:

[Jordan.]

lemme go remove my amazon & ebay accounts

[Josy]

anti virus wont save you if you get it.

were all dooooooooooooooooomed lol

they can have my bank balance if they want lol. they will probably feel sorry for me and deposit some cash with any luck

*If* you have a decent enough anti virus and have a firewall turned on as well as being savvy enough to not open any dodgy attachments or links then you shouldn't get it anyway.

[Vicky.]

My computer is already ****ed/ My bank account is overdrawn to the max, and I have no sites I am too concerned about losing my details for. So I couldnt care less really. Come at me virus...

[Pete.]

This is terrible scaremongering - as Josy says don't do anything differently and you will be fine

Go to www.staysafeonline.org - government website to see if you are effect by this virus

[Kazanne]

No it isn't

Its basically just telling people to make sure anti virus, firewalls and malware protection is up to date, don't click dodgy links, don't open unknown attachments and so on.

Basic safety that everyone should be doing if they go online anyway.

Do you know any good malware sites to download an anti virus Josy?

[Josy]

Do you know any good malware sites to download an anti virus Josy?

You don't want to download anything from a malware site Kazanne that's not good :laugh:

What antivirus are you using atm?

If you have one that's worked alright for you up until now then I wouldnt change anything tbh just make sure it's updated.

You could also download Malwarebytes Anti Malware (the free one) from here. (https://www.malwarebytes.org/mwb-download/)

But remember that's not an anti virus, you still need to have that too.

[Kazanne]

You don't want to download anything from a malware site Kazanne that's not good :laugh:

What antivirus are you using atm?

If you have one that's worked alright for you up until now then I wouldnt change anything tbh just make sure it's updated.

You could also download Malwarebytes Anti Malware (the free one) from here. (https://www.malwarebytes.org/mwb-download/)

But remember that's not an anti virus, you still need to have that too.

I have the free AVG one ,is that reliable?

[Josy]

I have the free AVG one ,is that reliable?

Yeah it should be alright if it's all up to date and you make sure your firewall is running too.

Or you could try Avast.

[Kazanne]

Yeah it should be alright if it's all up to date and you make sure your firewall is running too.

Or you could try Avast.

I have downloaded the Malware one from your link,thanks for that,I do have windows firewall and might try Avast have heard about it before.

[King Gizzard]

Just don't click any links in emails to be on the safe side

Going to cause mayhem for the not so computer literate older generation though

[Ryan57]

Fully expect to have to clean my Dad's computer about six times during this 'attack'. :facepalm:

[Kazanne]

Just don't click any links in emails to be on the safe side

Going to cause mayhem for the not so computer literate older generation though

That's a good tip too,I rarely open attachments,but wont be opening any now:hugesmile:

[Josy]

Kazanne your avg should be warning you of any dodgy email attachments

[Vicky.]

AVG has been completely useless from my experience...malwarebytes is by far the best one..keep getting the free trial too so it does antivirus/firewall at same time :D

[Josy]

AVG has been completely useless from my experience...malwarebytes is by far the best one..keep getting the free trial too so it does antivirus/firewall at same time :D

Malwarebytes isn't a replacement for an anti virus though?

[Ryan57]

AVG and Malwarebytes aren't strictly the same. Would be better to have MalwareBytes and an anti virus program similar to AVG.

[Ryan57]

Beaten by like 2 seconds. :joker:

[Josy]

AVG and Malwarebytes aren't strictly the same. Would be better to have MalwareBytes and an anti virus program similar to AVG.

Yes that's what I posted above, you need both not just one.

And malwarebytes definitely does not substitute as an antivirus.

[Josy]

Sorry Ryan never noticed your post.

[Toy Soldier]

If you know what you're doing online and keep to a few basic safety rules, it's highly unlikely that you'll be hacked or pick up a virus, unless someone is deliberately targetting you specifically (which is highly unlikely unless you're someone high profile, or someone with the ability to do it has some sort of grudge against you).

That's without any anti-virus or anti-malware software, of any kind.

Basic rules:

- Never use the same password (credit card, bank etc.) on any other sort of website (like this forum, facebook, etc.)

- Double check the address in the browser bar before entering any information on a financial site (to avoid being phished)

- Don't use "dodgy" sites (unless you know what you're doing)

- Don't accept download requests / app install requests / browser add-on requests that you don't recognise.

- Don't even open emails that you are unsure about. If you do, definitely don't click on any attachments in those emails.

Oh, and facebook users: DON'T follow an external facebook link and then type in your password when it asks you to "confirm" it. Far too many people falling for this sort of thing. Mainly because we live in an age where people who barely know how to operate a mouse are spending half of their life online.


I haven't bloated out my computer with AV programs beyond MS Security Essentials for over 10 years. I also haven't had to clear a virus or malware in longer than that. ... and I do download from "dodgy" places :joker:

The number one reason that people fall victim is because they don't know what they're clicking on, and because they have a habit of blindly clicking "OK", "Yes", "Accept" on anything that pops up on their screen.

[Kazanne]

Kazanne your avg should be warning you of any dodgy email attachments

I think it might be out of date Josy,not noticed anything like that so may download Avast,Can you tell me what is the difference between Malware and anti virus ?

[Josy]

I think it might be out of date Josy,not noticed anything like that so may download Avast,Can you tell me what is the difference between Malware and anti virus ?

Malwarebytes is handy for finding some viruses, malware, malicious programs and files etc you would run that maybe once a week or so its entirely up to you but an anti virus you need to have running constantly, that picks up all sorts of viruses.

[Vicky.]

Yes that's what I posted above, you need both not just one.

And malwarebytes definitely does not substitute as an antivirus.

It blocks me going onto suspicious sites, and blocks downloads it thinks are dodgy..I thought thats what an antivirus did :suspect:

[Josy]

It blocks me going onto suspicious sites, and blocks downloads it thinks are dodgy..I thought thats what an antivirus did :suspect:

Yeah it is but malwarebytes won't pick up certain things, heres a quote from Malwarebytes website

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is not meant to be a replacement for antivirus software. Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is a complementary but essential program which detects and removes zero-day malware and "Malware in the Wild". This includes malicious programs and files, such as virus droppers, worms, trojans, rootkits, dialers, spyware, and rogue applications that many antivirus programs do not detect or cannot fully remove. That being said, there are many infections that Malwarebytes Anti-Malware does not detect or remove which any antivirus software will, such as file infectors. It is important to note that Malwarebytes Anti-Malware works well and should run alongside antivirus software without conflicts. In some rare instances, exclusions may need to be set for your specific antivirus product to achieve the best possible system performance.

[Kazanne]

Malwarebytes is handy for finding some viruses, malware, malicious programs and files etc you would run that maybe once a week or so its entirely up to you but an anti virus you need to have running constantly, that picks up all sorts of viruses.

Ah ok Josy,the malware was blocking the Avast download so I have exited the malware just while Avast downloads,so I can turn it back on and it should be ok,Yes?

[Vicky.]

Oh dear. I have used this for years thinking it was effective :laugh:

Never managed to get a virus though on any of my comps. Gav goes on his for like 5 mins and the thing is riddled :D

[Samm]

Will it attack my phone too :worry:

[Ryan57]

Avast is highly regarded and offers a free version if you're interested, Vicky.

[Kazanne]

Avast is highly regarded and offers a free version if you're interested, Vicky.

I'm downloading Avast now Ryan,might be better than AVG.

[Samm]

I'm confused how can it get on your computer

[Toy Soldier]

Genuinely wouldn't let Avast or AVG anywhere near my precioussss... :joker:. They're bloatware. You might as well allow the malware itself!

Microsoft Security Essentials ( http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/security-essentials-download ) is absolutely more than enough unless you're stumbling around the darkweb clicking every link you can find, or opening every email about Nigerian princes containing 25 attached files.

And whatever you do, don't let yourself be scammed into installing Norton or McAfee! Especially Norton. If anyone wants to MAKE a virus, they should hire the guys at Norton. I can clear most viruses off of a PC within half an hour. As yet, I have NEVER managed to successfully remove Norton, without completely wiping the hard drive. It's a parasite. It's the single worst piece of malware I've ever encountered.

But yeah. MSE + no dodgy porn + don't click stupid phishing links, and you're fine.

[Samuel.]

#MacbookLife

[Vicky.]

LOL. I had that problem with norton too a while back :laugh: It never leaves

[Josy]

Ah ok Josy,the malware was blocking the Avast download so I have exited the malware just while Avast downloads,so I can turn it back on and it should be ok,Yes?

Yeah you don't need to run malwarebytes constantly btw just use it to scan every week or so

Oh dear. I have used this for years thinking it was effective :laugh:

Never managed to get a virus though on any of my comps. Gav goes on his for like 5 mins and the thing is riddled :D

Stuarts parents are the same, I tell them don't download anything you aren't sure of then next time I go on theres all sorts of speed booosters and crap like that, his dad will say 'oh that flashed up on the screen saying click here to boodt performance on your pc so I clicked it' :facepalm:

[Josy]

Microsoft Security Essentials

Wouldn't use that if it was the only thing available tbh.

[Toy Soldier]

#MacbookLife

"Macs don't get viruses" is a complete myth, by the way. It used to be somewhat true, mainly because 90%+ of computer users were on Windows PCs so no one bothered to actually MAKE viruses targetted at Macs, but in recent history it's far from true. The opposite is true. Since Vista, Windows has had mandatory user account controls (those little pop ups that appear whenever you try to install something) and programs have digital "signatures" certifying them as genuine, so basic malware has a tough time getting onto even an unprotected windows PC.

OSX still doesn't feature this, and malware can sneak onto a mac "silently". Mac viruses have also become much more common because laptop use has increased significantly, and mac laptop owners tend to have:

- less technical knowledge than PC laptop owners,
- probably more money, because the things are wildly overpriced.

Those combine into a massive juicy target for someone looking to hijack some bank details. Mac viruses are much more common these days.

[Ryan57]

MS Security Essentials isn't as good as it once was. Avast is widely regarded as superior when it comes to a free anti virus program.

MS defended it at one point, yet have given up themselves.

[Josy]

Yeah Microsoft even admitted last year that it was bottom rung stuff and you should never use it alone without another antivirus.

[Toy Soldier]

Wouldn't use that if it was the only thing available tbh.

It's literally the ONLY virus protection that isn't pointless bloatware.

I personally go bareback on my main PC. No AV at all since 2007 :D

[Josy]

It's literally the ONLY virus protection that isn't pointless bloatware.

I personally go bareback on my main PC. No AV at all since 2007 :D

See above.

Not that I would ever use it anyway but when the software creators admit it themselves then it's got to be awful eh.

[Toy Soldier]

Yeah Microsoft even admitted last year that it was bottom rung stuff and you should never use it alone without another antivirus.

It's scaremongering. You don't need antivirus at all unless you're being reckless.

[Josy]

It's scaremongering. You don't need antivirus at all unless you're being reckless.

Hmm I would disagree with not needing one at all.

And tbh most people are very wreckless online these days anyway

[michael21]

glad my thread was useful

now click my SPOILER :devil:

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif

[Josy]

glad my thread was useful

now click my SPOILER :devil:

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif

If you get a dodgy email attachment....open it please.


















only joking

[Samuel.]

mac laptop owners tend to have:

- less technical knowledge than PC laptop owners,


I know the whole Mac's don't get viruses thing is a load of tosh, just poking fun.

But that point is completely baseless. Not exactly a representation of everybody, but it's very much the opposite with the people I know, with the PC users having no desire to spend time learning how to use a different type of system when they only require Word and Internet Explorer.

[Toy Soldier]

Hmm I would disagree with not needing one at all.

And tbh most people are very wreckless online these days anyway

True but since 2007 (introduction of windows Vista and user account control) it is almost impossible to install malicious software by accident. AV also warns you about phishing sites, yes, but you'd have to be an actual idiot to fall for a phishing scam in the first place. I have very little sympathy for people who log in to "fcaebook.com", give them their credit card details, and then wonder why it's being used in Morocco.

I've even just done the unthinkable, and installed Malwarebytes on my precious PC to prove a point.

- This installation of Windows 7 has been running almost 24/7 since January 2013.

- I have had NO antivirus or anti malware software on it at any point

- I do torrent / install "potentially hazardous" files. Often.

- I've been known to dabble on Tor

Scan Type: Threat Scan
Result: Completed
Objects Scanned: 353285
Time Elapsed: 2 min, 54 sec

Memory: Enabled
Startup: Enabled
Filesystem: Enabled
Archives: Enabled
Rootkits: Enabled
Heuristics: Enabled
PUP: Enabled
PUM: Enabled

Processes: 0
(No malicious items detected)

Modules: 0
(No malicious items detected)

Registry Keys: 0
(No malicious items detected)

Registry Values: 0
(No malicious items detected)

Registry Data: 0
(No malicious items detected)

Folders: 0
(No malicious items detected)

Files: 0
(No malicious items detected)

Physical Sectors: 0
(No malicious items detected)


(end)


It's scaremongering.

[michael21]

=Josy;6892293]If you get a dodgy email attachment....open it please.

:bored:
















only joking [/QUOTE]

[Ryan57]

You've been to the deep web, Toy Soldier? And you returned unscathed? :p

Edit: I'm assuming there that with you having used Tor that you entered the deep web.

[Toy Soldier]

I know the whole Mac's don't get viruses thing is a load of tosh, just poking fun.

But that point is completely baseless. Not exactly a representation of everybody, but it's very much the opposite with the people I know, with the PC users having no desire to spend time learning how to use a different type of system when they only require Word and Internet Explorer.

Anyone with any technical knowledge who would willingly spend £1200 on an i5 laptop with a 13" screen is either completely mental, or has far too much money burning a hole in their pocket :D.

[Josy]

True but since 2007 (introduction of windows Vista and user account control) it is almost impossible to install malicious software by accident. AV also warns you about phishing sites, yes, but you'd have to be an actual idiot to fall for a phishing scam in the first place. I have very little sympathy for people who log in to "fcaebook.com", give them their credit card details, and then wonder why it's being used in Morocco.

I've even just done the unthinkable, and installed Malwarebytes on my precious PC to prove a point.

- This installation of Windows 7 has been running almost 24/7 since January 2013.

- I have had NO antivirus or anti malware software on it at any point

- I do torrent / install "potentially hazardous" files. Often.

- I've been known to dabble on Tor




It's scaremongering.

TOR is a completely safe browser though anyway not sure why that would be relevant to proving your point :think:

[Toy Soldier]

You've been to the deep web, Toy Soldier? And you returned unscathed? :p

For the last couple of years, the deep web has included most bog standard torrent sites :joker:. That's the real online threat we should be looking at. ISP censorship :/.

[Josy]

Tor isn't the deep web btw it's just one of the browsers used to get there..

[Josy]

We have went way off topic here haven't we :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

TOR is a completely safe browser though anyway not sure why that would be relevant to proving your point :think:

Because half of the sites you "need" to use Tor to access would be red-flagged by most AV programs. They also have a nasty habit of "quarantining" perfectly legitimate (and necessary) files...

To be fair, I'm not saying there's any real harm in most people using AV software, other than that it'll noticeably slow down any laptop with less than an i3 for no good reason. I'm just pointing out that there's no reason for people to worry, and CERTAINLY no reason for people to be panic-scammed into paying for "professional" AV or the premium versions of the free ones (which are constantly ad-spammed by the programs themselves).

I'd just rather not have to worry about AVG constantly soft-deleting my DaemonTools :bawling:

[michael21]

We have went way off topic here haven't we :laugh:

that ok i don't mind

as long as my thread cause widespread panic i am happy :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Ryan57]

For the last couple of years, the deep web has included most bog standard torrent sites :joker:. That's the real online threat we should be looking at. ISP censorship :/.

I've seen some of the basics of it on Youtube and from people's opinions. The basics alone seemed, let's say ':umm2:' sums things up well.

There's a site where people grab pictures of naked pictures of girls (of the legal age, I think anyway :umm2:) to then try and find their addresses and other details and swap with other perverts. :umm2:

Think it might be a read only site now, but at one time it was a fully functioning pervert's wet dream.

[Josy]

Because half of the sites you "need" to use Tor to access would be red-flagged by most AV programs. They also have a nasty habit of "quarantining" perfectly legitimate (and necessary) files...

To be fair, I'm not saying there's any real harm in most people using AV software, other than that it'll noticeably slow down any laptop with less than an i3 for no good reason. I'm just pointing out that there's no reason for people to worry, and CERTAINLY no reason for people to be panic-scammed into paying for "professional" AV or the premium versions of the free ones (which are constantly ad-spammed by the programs themselves).

I'd just rather not have to worry about AVG constantly soft-deleting my DaemonTools :bawling:

I agree with you this is a big panic for nothing, to hear the way the news was going on earlier you would have thought there was going to be an alien invasion 'two weeks to prepare for the attack' jeezo :laugh:

And I know exactly how you feel I'm always to rescue daemontools from the virus vault :fist:

[Toy Soldier]

Tor isn't the deep web btw it's just one of the browsers used to get there..

Weeell that's not technically accurate... Tor is the free-to-use, crowd maintained proxy / relay network that allows you to browse completely anonymously. There are a couple of different specially configured browsers that allow you to access Tor. I think there are also things like phone apps these days too... though I have no idea why anyone would need Tor on their phone! Maybe just for the paranoid folks who want 100% anonymity. OR ARE THEY PARANOID? :shocked:

[Toy Soldier]

I agree with you this is a big panic for nothing, to hear the way the news was going on earlier you would have thought there was going to be an alien invasion 'two weeks to prepare for the attack' jeezo :laugh:

Well... remember "the millennium bug"? What a let down that was! I was expecting planes falling from the sky, life support systems imploding, sea creatures rising up from the deep to take advantage of the tech blackout window and finally conquer the land-dwellers...

Gutted.

[Vicky.]

OK downloaded avast...do I need to keep malwarebytes? Just this comp is slow as **** until I get a harddrive to put all my stuff on :laugh:

[Samuel.]

Anyone with any technical knowledge who would willingly spend £1200 on an i5 laptop with a 13" screen is either completely mental, or has far too much money burning a hole in their pocket :D.

Or is a creative ;) I need mine for Logic Pro.

[Ryan57]

OK downloaded avast...do I need to keep malwarebytes? Just this comp is slow as **** until I get a harddrive to put all my stuff on :laugh:

Definitely keep it.

Your PC might be slow due to programs starting up when Windows starts up.

[smeagol]

The problem with viruses like this is your not meant to open emails. but the emails will most likely be from people you know and trust ithout their knowlege .
no anti virus will save you if you click anything or something thats attahed to a website or soemething. its like stepping on a mine lol

malawarebyes is great but its more of a killer of the problems after the fact than a prevention. best to have it on the pc .but thoug this virus it sounds like it just shuts you down by the sound of it there doesn't seem a way around it.

they can have my money but touch my music will be hell

[Crimson Dynamo]

My Full Norton and malwarebytes keeps me safe

and dont forget your smartphones

[michael21]

this is odd i got a email claiming to be from digiguide in the title is say you have received a reply to your thread or something like that so i deleted it without clicking on it and when to see what the reply was and there was no reply :fist::fist::fist::fist: :fist::fist::fist::fist:

[Jay.]

My laptop doesnt need virus protection, its built in, so I guess I'll be alright aha because i can't download software on mine, it's a chromebook <3

[michael21]

My laptop doesn't need virus protection, its built in, so I guess I'll be alright aha because i can't download software on mine, it's a chromebook <3

you should be ok if it bulit in your no for sure in 13 days

[Scarlett.]

I love how they think hackers would wait two weeks even after they had broken the news.

[michael21]

I love how they think hackers would wait two weeks even after they had broken the news.

:omg: your might have a point there time to put plan A in to action in SPOILER incase the hackers are viewing thread

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif

[michael21]

reports today that some torrent site are being use to make people give out bank detail ie kickass when you click the box to type in what youy want to dowload it open up a pages nprmal some thing like 888.com but this time it open up a fake police Notifications saying your ip addess has been ban and it lock you laptop computer if this happen swich off and go back to the time yopu device was working right dont pay the £100.and dont be scraed of it

[Vanessa]

anti virus wont save you if you get it.

were all dooooooooooooooooomed lol

they can have my bank balance if they want lol. they will probably feel sorry for me and deposit some cash with any luck

:joker:

[Ryan57]

reports today that some torrent site are being use to make people give out bank detail ie kickass when you click the box to type in what youy want to dowload it open up a pages nprmal some thing like 888.com but this time it open up a fake police Notifications saying your ip addess has been ban and it lock you laptop computer if this happen swich off and go back to the time yopu device was working right dont pay the £100.and dont be scraed of it

Where did you see this?

[smeagol]

reports today that some torrent site are being use to make people give out bank detail ie kickass when you click the box to type in what youy want to dowload it open up a pages nprmal some thing like 888.com but this time it open up a fake police Notifications saying your ip addess has been ban and it lock you laptop computer if this happen swich off and go back to the time yopu device was working right dont pay the £100.and dont be scraed of it

That sounds like the ukash scam. if you get it just restart in dafe mode and malewarebytes its arse and hey presto back in business

[Josy]

reports today that some torrent site are being use to make people give out bank detail ie kickass when you click the box to type in what youy want to dowload it open up a pages nprmal some thing like 888.com but this time it open up a fake police Notifications saying your ip addess has been ban and it lock you laptop computer if this happen swich off and go back to the time yopu device was working right dont pay the £100.and dont be scraed of it

If you get the fake police/fbi notification virus then you aren't getting rid by just turning it off and on, this is one of the worst viruses floating around to get rid off even if you know what your doing, the only recent virus known to run even on safe mode so yeah turning your comp on and off aint getting rid.

[Vanessa]

I think you just need to make sure you have an antivirus.

[Toy Soldier]

If you get the fake police/fbi notification virus then you aren't getting rid by just turning it off and on, this is one of the worst viruses floating around to get rid off even if you know what your doing, the only recent virus known to run even on safe mode so yeah turning your comp on and off aint getting rid.

If you actually get a legitimate virus (though I still stand by it being almost impossible unless you're reckless!), I personally wouldn't trust any programs or deletion tutorials to clean up. Best bet is to have your personal files (documents, pictures, movie files... personal non-executables basically) on a separate or external hard drive, and keep a clean fresh OS image set up with drivers and your "every day" programs on a DVD (or USB flash drive) in the back of a drawer. If you genuinely do get a "proper" virus, I personally wouldn't be using the computer until it's had the OS drive wiped and restored to the fresh backup.

I'd recommend doing that every year or so anyway, really. Most effective way to remove all junk data and get back that uncluttered, out-of-the-box feeling.

[michael21]

If you get the fake police/fbi notification virus then you aren't getting rid by just turning it off and on, this is one of the worst viruses floating around to get rid off even if you know what your doing, the only recent virus known to run even on safe mode so yeah turning your comp on and off aint getting rid.

but it wont let you do anything so you have to turn it of then go back to the point where you lap/com was running normal does that sound right

[Marsh.]

My mac is indestructible.

Don't care if they get into my bank, it's empty.

[michael21]

My mac is indestructible.

Don't care if they get into my bank, it's empty.

my bank full so i have to watch out for those hackers feckers