Cardiff Girls who attacked a homeless man after telling him to 'get a ********** job'

[arista]

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Nasty Bitches attack the homeless man


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well he won't get a job with his pants down


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nasty bitches

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[The Carnage pub crawl girls who attacked
a homeless man after telling him
to 'get a ********** job': Shocking footage
from the streets
Drunken girls kick and punch man in face,
pull down his trousers
They were leaving second of six bars
on student bar crawl Carnage
Victim of 10pm attack on Saturday in
Cardiff was left with bloodied nose
UK-wide event has been source
of controversy since it started in 2004]


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[Saph]

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"it wasnt me"

[arista]

"it wasnt me"


Thats good to hear

[Kizzy]

Can't blame the event... blame the studs, it's measures like that that warp the mindset seeing the destitute as worthless and disposable.

[Drew.]

Can't blame the event... blame the studs, it's measures like that that warp the mindset seeing the destitute as worthless and disposable.

I doubt this man has ever seen studs

[Black Dagger]

Odious, cretinous pack of thugs.

[arista]

Can't blame the event... blame the studs, it's measures like that that warp the mindset seeing the destitute as worthless and disposable.


There is None in that Zone



These Girls went Evil

[AnnieK]

Odious, cretinous pack of thugs.

Exactly......

I hope one day they are in a similar position and get the **** kicked out of them...

[Natalie.]

Horrible :(

[Black Dagger]

'University students'

Kick them off their course and black-list their future job prospects, that might teach them a lesson in not kicking the **** out of harmless folk.

[Kizzy]

There is None in that Zone



These Girls went Evil

It's not the point there has been a distinct attitudinal change imo, My guess is there will be more incidents like this due to the sway in public opinion on some groups.

[Nedusa]

Little Darlings ??

[MeMyselfAndI]

They should be kicked off their university course, maybe if enough people complain to Cardiff Uni they will?

[Alf]

I blame Germaine Greer

[Nedusa]

Why were they taking this mans trousers down ? .Was this some sort of sexual assault, couldn't they find any bloke inside the club drunk enough to take them home...

[Kazanne]

So much for the fairer sex !! disgusting ,and to think some of these might be mothers,

[Jack_]

Vile but I agree with Kizzy, this is what happens when you kick those at the bottom and demonise those who couldn't have any less. Hate crime is a product of it.

[Vicky.]

Sadly this thing seems to be seen as almost acceptable. Hey theres a homeless guy, its obviously his own fault, he should have just gone to one of the 600 million shelters..he clearly wants to sleep on the streets. I bet he uses foodbanks too. The bum should get a job.

[Niamh.]

Vile but I agree with Kizzy, this is what happens when you kick those at the bottom and demonise those who couldn't have any less. Hate crime is a product of it.

I don't think there should be excuses made for those scumbags

[Kizzy]

I don't think there should be excuses made for those scumbags

That's a reason not an excuse.

[Niamh.]

That's a reason not an excuse.

Well, I disagree with that also, plenty of people are living in the same country, listening to the same news, politicians etc and they don't get drunk and beat people up because of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Vile but I agree with Kizzy, this is what happens when you kick those at the bottom and demonise those who couldn't have any less. Hate crime is a product of it.

or blame those who pretend to be poor but have gaffs, who just beg for free drink and drugs money.

[Kizzy]

Well, I disagree with that also, plenty of people are living in the same country, listening to the same news, politicians etc and they don't get drunk and beat people up because of it.

Nobody suggested everyone would did they?
Not everyone thinks alike or allows themselves to be influenced by the media, that isn't to say it's never happened.
Whenever the media demonise any group there's a societal backlash.

[Niamh.]

Nobody suggested everyone would did they?
Not everyone thinks alike or allows themselves to be influenced by the media, that isn't to say it's never happened.
Whenever the media demonise any group there's a societal backlash.

I never said they did :shrug:

Anyway, my opinion on the matter are those girls are drunken thugs looking to cause trouble and would have done so with or without studs etc media influences or whatever

[Kizzy]

Yes you suggested that everyone get's the same info from the same sources... they don't.

Anyway if that's your opinion fine.

[Kizzy]

Up to 300 people will sleep rough on the streets of London tonight, many of them skilled, intelligent and likeable people, and many of whom want to work.

http://www.streetsoflondon.org.uk/about-homelessness

[Niamh.]

Yes you suggested that everyone get's the same info from the same sources... they don't.

Anyway if that's your opinion fine.

It is indeed

[Ammi]

..I agree with Niamh, not everything has a reason for it..it's to do with character and only some people would do something like that/treat someone like that as though they're worthless...you can't be 'conditioned' to do something like that/awful girls...

[Kizzy]

..I agree with Niamh, not everything has a reason for it..it's to do with character and only some people would do something like that/treat someone like that as though they're worthless...you can't be 'conditioned' to do something like that/awful girls...

Actually you can, it's well documented that media influence precedes an attitudinal shift in the sub conscience of their target audience.

'Moral panic is such a well established term, both in academic and everyday
vocabulary, that it is surprising to recall that it has only become widely used since the
work of Stan Cohen in the early 1970s on youth subcultures. Since then the term has
been regularly used in the media to refer to all sorts of anti-social and/or criminal
behaviours. Essentially, a moral panic refers to an exaggerated reaction, from the
media, the police or wider public, to the activities of particular social groups. These
activities may well be relatively trivial but have been reported in a somewhat
sensationalised form in the media; and such reporting and publicity has then led to an
increase in general anxiety and concern about those activities. So a moral panic is an
exaggerated response to a type of behaviour that is seen as a social problem – the term
indicates an over-reaction on the part of the media and/or other social institutions.
Furthermore, this over-reaction magnifies the original area of concern. Indeed it leads
to the social group (and, as a consequence, the behaviour and activities they engage
in) being viewed by the wider society as ‘folk devils’ – another term coined by
Cohen. Indeed Cohen’s book on the mods and rockers of the 1960s was titled Folk
Devils and Moral Panics: The Creation of the Mods and Rockers and therefore, as
Newburn (2007) puts it, has ‘the distinction of containing two terms, folk devils and
moral panics, which have subsequently entered popular terminology’

http://www.internetjournalofcriminology.com/Marsh_Melville_Moral_Panics_and_the_British_Media_ March_2011.pdf

[Vicky.]

Up to 300 people will sleep rough on the streets of London tonight, many of them skilled, intelligent and likeable people, and many of whom want to work.

http://www.streetsoflondon.org.uk/about-homelessness

Don't blow the illusion kizzy. Clearly homeless people are homeless because they don't want a job and would rather live on the streets than have a home or use a shelter :fist:

[Ammi]

..I don't think that's relevant to what those girls did at all..what that refers to is an 'inciting' from the media into a panic state and that can have an effect on behaviour but there has been no inciting of the media about homeless people or them being any type of 'threat' to create panic...what those girls did is not a 'conditioning' thing, it's a callous like of value that they've placed on someone who did them no harm whatsoever...

[Niamh.]

..I don't think that's relevant to what those girls did at all..what that refers to is an 'inciting' from the media into a panic state and that can have an effect on behaviour but there has been no inciting of the media about homeless people or them being any type of 'threat' to create panic...what those girls did is not a 'conditioning' thing, it's a callous like of value that they've placed on someone who did them no harm whatsoever...

Exactly.

[Kizzy]

..I don't think that's relevant to what those girls did at all..what that refers to is an 'inciting' from the media into a panic state and that can have an effect on behaviour but there has been no inciting of the media about homeless people or them being any type of 'threat' to create panic...what those girls did is not a 'conditioning' thing, it's a callous like of value that they've placed on someone who did them no harm whatsoever...


You don't think, you haven't heard any negative press about homeless illegal immigrants? ok.

A callous like ( or lack)? of value is just what a folk devil has though ammi, if you don't feel it has a baring that's fine.

[arista]

Up to 300 people will sleep rough on the streets of London tonight, many of them skilled, intelligent and likeable people, and many of whom want to work.

http://www.streetsoflondon.org.uk/about-homelessness


Yes they are in the way

[hijaxers]

Exactly......

I hope one day they are in a similar position and get the **** kicked out of them...

I'd quite like to kick the living s*** out of them - what evil bitches

[hijaxers]

'University students'

Kick them off their course and black-list their future job prospects, that might teach them a lesson in not kicking the **** out of harmless folk.

Well i for 1 have e mailed the vice chancellor to say how disgusted i am by these vile bitches and i expect them to be thrown out immediately

[Ammi]

..no, I’m not saying there is no negative press about anyone who is homeless, there is negative press about many things and every day but it doesn’t follow that the end result will be ‘inciting’ of ‘hate’, and lack of value or regard for someone and lead to what these girls did...for me, there are some things that can be ‘reasoned’ and some things that can’t because to do so would be to excuse and justify which I don’t feel should be done in this case...’negative’ and ‘inciting’ are two completely different things and these are university students who I would presume have some intelligence and have no excuse of ignorance/just did it because they could...for me there are some people worthy of an understanding into their behaviour because of circumstances which may have lead up to their actions or have had an effect on them and some people who just behave extremely badly and are of really poor character and lacking in any depth of empathy...

Anyway, there isn’t anything else to say other than repeating myself so I’ll leave it at that ..other than to say that I always find it quite interesting with one aspect of this... in the pulling down of his trousers and underwear...it’ll be interesting to see what the charges are because I’m sure if it was several males against a female, there would be sexual assault charges as well ....hmmm....

[Livia]

There have always been homeless people and they've always been attacked because some people are just awful people. A few years ago (2008 maybe...?) a banker was stabbed to death in Norwich when he tried to help a homeless man who was being attacked by mindless thugs, blaming people's violent, mindless behaviour on the media is a cop out. It's like saying violent films make people violent. Those girls should be booted out of uni and then prosecuted to the full force of the law.

[user104658]

Kizzy is 100% correct, we're in the midst of a government and media campaign to dehumanise the poor and vulnerable. Attitudes and incidents like these will only increase until that process is reversed; but I think it'll be a long time until that happens.

That isn't an excuse for these girls. What they have done is morally void and disgusting. But those predisposed to doing things like this are being given a target - being given the green light - to treat people as worthless. Our government does it, the mass media does it, why shouldn't they join in the fun?

Also, the longer it goes on, the more young people you will see being indoctrinated to this mindset.

it's to do with character and only some people would do something like that/treat someone like that as though they're worthless...you can't be 'conditioned' to do something like that/awful girls...

It is to do with character but that doesn't mean it isn't conditioned. Of course it's conditioned. They are awful, vile girls... they don't deserve excuses or sympathy... but that doesn't mean we should be blinkered. How did they END UP such awful, vile girls? They surely weren't born that way. They've learned these vile attitudes from society - be that their parents, their friends, or their other surroundings. They picked them up somewhere. And we're being flooded with it more and more form every angle. How many "benefits scum" light entertainment shows have been on TV this last year? How many front page newspaper articles about "scroungers"? We're being covertly and overtly encouraged to treat these people as "lesser", and this is (one of) the result(s).

[Kazanne]

I'de say it's more down to parenting,it's too easy to blame other people,what were these girls parents like?

[lily.]

You don't think, you haven't heard any negative press about homeless illegal immigrants? ok.

A callous like ( or lack)? of value is just what a folk devil has though ammi, if you don't feel it has a baring that's fine.

bearing*

[user104658]

I'de say it's more down to parenting,it's too easy to blame other people,what were these girls parents like?

And if it's just down to parenting... then why would the parents be like that? Because of their parents? Who were like that because of THEIR parents? The strongest influence on how a person "turns out" is indeed their parents but that is society. Subliminal views and values that are passed from generation to generation. Views and values that are forged in prejudice. In this case, a prejudice that is being constantly reinforced by society. By our own government, which is constantly encouraging this very mindset in order to fulfill a political agenda of elitism and scape-goating.

[joeysteele]

Vile but I agree with Kizzy, this is what happens when you kick those at the bottom and demonise those who couldn't have any less. Hate crime is a product of it.

I'll hold back from writing a long response to this incident and just latch on to your post, since you said far better than me exactly what my thoughts are too.

[Kizzy]

bearing*

What was the point in this..... do you have an opinion n this topic or not?
You could have sent me a PM to tell me I'd missed an E from one of my posts, could you check them all for me please?... :laugh:

[Livia]

Homeless people were much less of a problem under Labour, right?

Time for people to take control of themselves, their families, their kids and stop blaming everything that's wrong with society on the government. Unless you're a sheep and don't have any kind of freedom of thought, you should be bringing your kids up to be decent members of society and not disgusting thugs. If your kids are disgusting thugs it's your fault and not the fault of the government, and frankly the apologists for people who's kids are disgusting thugs aren't helping the situation, merely making excuses for it.

[Kizzy]

The media demonisation has occurred over the last 4yrs... is it coincidence?
The neo -conservative laissez-faire ideology doesn't sit well with many in our allegedly civillised society.
What's worse than a violent thug? an ignorant, judgmental and supercillious elitist.

[joeysteele]

I agree there were homeless people under Labour and have been for likely centuries,however I am finding this Govt. by it's policies are creating more homeless people who would not otherwise likely have been homeless.
I know of 3 people myself who because of the bedroom tax and the arrears they had sadly built up,they were left with nowhere to go,could not be re-housed by the local authority and no way could they have coped with renting in the private sector.

This I would only 'guess' is happening a lot too.
The other thing is, organisations to help with the homeless are more overstretched than before now and with less financial assistance too.
The other factor too was although at least one of the 3 people I mention could have stayed at his Father's home,had he done so, his Father would have lost some of the financial help he then got.

Many people now are in rent arrears for local authority housing who have never ever had rent arrears before.
They cannot cope, in time there will be eviction orders sought and if those people in rent arrears do not get the 'right' help at that point where and if they can, then with no mercy from Council or Govt, they will lose their homes and be out on the street.

So although I would indeed condemn all parties for the homeless over the last few decades,I do feel the need to have to quantify that with the fact the policies this present Govt have mercilessly brought in,are making the problem much harder to sort out and indeed are unnecessarily also adding to it.

[Livia]

I agree with all that, joey... but the fact is that this is a thread isn't about the government's contribution to the homessness cause, it's about three young female thugs who brutally beat a man for no reason other than he's homeless. Blaming the government and blaming society is just excusing their behaviour and excusing the way they were brought up.

[Niamh.]

The media demonisation has occurred over the last 4yrs... is it coincidence?
The neo -conservative laissez-faire ideology doesn't sit well with many in our allegedly civillised society.
What's worse than a violent thug? an ignorant, judgmental and supercillious elitist.

I'd vote for violent thug tbh :shrug:

[Kizzy]

Good for you, The choice of words used is a good indicator of the attitude towards this individual.
Maybe it is using more expansion of thought to examine the process that leads to this mindset in a group of young women.

[joeysteele]

I agree with all that, joey... but the fact is that this is a thread isn't about the government's contribution to the homessness cause, it's about three young female thugs who brutally beat a man for no reason other than he's homeless. Blaming the government and blaming society is just excusing their behaviour and excusing the way they were brought up.

Totally agree, however I have to say, I think when certain groups of people like the homeless and also immigrants and even the sick and disabled are presented as people to be 'demonised' as unnecessary and a waste of resources by those in power ,rather than demonstrating full and committed passion to protecting them and helping them.
Then you will get these mindless people who think they,the homeless are fair game to be 'got' at.

The point is that if Govts. who have the resources, wealth and more to the point power to adddress such issues as homelessness did so, then they would not be seen as such easy targets as this poor guy was possibly
Helping to demonise such people and ignoring such issues or even adding to the problems via policy implemented only fuels the rotten way these 3 girls acted towards this guy.

Of course these girls were 100% wrong and really for me they should be in prison and off the streets.
Compassion and understanding of the needs of the homeless by those in power could just maybe remove the stigma attached to the homeless as being all just simply scroungers as they have done with benefit claimants too.

Homelessness and the issue of it along with others at the bottom end of the scale as many have said on this thread already, is something that needs to be dealt with by those elected to power, doing nothing,like this lot are doing but adding to the problem, will only help very sadly to see more of these mindless attacks on people who are homeless in my view.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/09/article-2652681-1E67B3F000000578-297_634x476.jpg
nasty Evil bitches

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do we know if the man did anything to provoke them?

Maybe he said something or touched one up?

and also from the "mail" report

"Posing as students, the Mail witnessed the assault at 10pm as revellers left the second of six scheduled bars."


Posing as students? - wtf is that about?

[Jordan.]

lmaoo at his pants coming down

[MTVN]

So in just 4 years, really a very short time in the grand scheme of things, the Coalition government has turned all newspapers, all media outlets, all the country against homeless people? They've engineered a campaign which has altered the mindset of the whole country, turned friendly and caring people into vicious and violent thugs? Transformed a nation of charity givers into cruel individualists who hate the poor and only look out for themselves? Come off it.

If you blame laissez faire capitalism then you blame Labour as well as the Conservatives. Whether you like to admit it or not the parties are not that far apart ideologically. Since Blair the Labour party have supported capitalism and the free market just as the Conservatives always do. It's nonsense to make 2010 a watershed in the way that the homeless were treated, I don't exactly remember a lot of flattering headlines or positive schemes to help the homeless before then. I don't remember waves of compassion emanating from media outlets under New Labour. To say that there was is just rose tinted glasses imo.

[Livia]

Do we know if the man did anything to provoke them?

Maybe he said something or touched one up?

and also from the "mail" report

"Posing as students, the Mail witnessed the assault at 10pm as revellers left the second of six scheduled bars."


Posing as students? - wtf is that about?

You can't provoke someone into attacking you. You can only put your hands on another person to defend yourself.

That's legal advice, that is. That'll be £300.

lmaoo at his pants coming down

Really? Would you be laughing if it was a woman who's trousers had been pulled down by a gang of men attacking her?

[arista]

Do we know if the man did anything to provoke them?

Maybe he said something or touched one up?

and also from the "mail" report

"Posing as students, the Mail witnessed the assault at 10pm as revellers left the second of six scheduled bars."


Posing as students? - wtf is that about?


He may have asked for spare change
no need to attack him like that

[Livia]

So in just 4 years, really a very short time in the grand scheme of things, the Coalition government has turned all newspapers, all media outlets, all the country against homeless people? They've engineered a campaign which has altered the mindset of the whole country, turned friendly and caring people into vicious and violent thugs? Transformed a nation of charity givers into cruel individualists who hate the poor and only look out for themselves? Come off it.

If you blame laissez faire capitalism then you blame Labour as well as the Conservatives. Whether you like to admit it or not the parties are not that far apart ideologically. Since Blair the Labour party have supported capitalism and the free market just as the Conservatives always do. It's nonsense to make 2010 a watershed in the way that the homeless were treated, I don't exactly remember a lot of flattering headlines or positive schemes to help the homeless before then. I don't remember waves of compassion emanating from media outlets under New Labour. To say that there was is just rose tinted glasses imo.

Great post, MTVN.

[Kizzy]

So in just 4 years, really a very short time in the grand scheme of things, the Coalition government has turned all newspapers, all media outlets, all the country against homeless people? They've engineered a campaign which has altered the mindset of the whole country, turned friendly and caring people into vicious and violent thugs? Transformed a nation of charity givers into cruel individualists who hate the poor and only look out for themselves? Come off it.

If you blame laissez faire capitalism then you blame Labour as well as the Conservatives. Whether you like to admit it or not the parties are not that far apart ideologically. Since Blair the Labour party have supported capitalism and the free market just as the Conservatives always do. It's nonsense to make 2010 a watershed in the way that the homeless were treated, I don't exactly remember a lot of flattering headlines or positive schemes to help the homeless before then. I don't remember waves of compassion emanating from media outlets under New Labour. To say that there was is just rose tinted glasses imo.

I have to say yes over the last 4yrs the demonisation towards immigrants and welfare claimants has seemed to have stepped up apace over the last couple of years via the media, the term 'poverty porn' springs to mind.
It may have always existed, what I'm suggesting is that it is now becoming the 'norm'.
This is only my view of course.

[Nedusa]

Totally agree, however I have to say, I think when certain groups of people like the homeless and also immigrants and even the sick and disabled are presented as people to be 'demonised' as unnecessary and a waste of resources by those in power ,rather than demonstrating full and committed passion to protecting them and helping them.
Then you will get these mindless people who think they,they homeless are fair game to be 'got' at.

The point is that if Govts. who have the resources, wealth and more to the point power to adddress such issues as homelessness did so, then they would not be seen as such easy targets as this poor guy was possibly
Helping to demonise such people and ignoring such issues or even adding to the problems via policy implemented only fuels the rotten way these 3 girls acted towards this guy.

Of course these girls were 100% wrong and really for me they should be in prison and off the streets.
Compassion and understanding of the needs of the homeless by those in power could just maybe remove the stigma attached to the homeless as being all just simply scroungers as they have done with benefit claimants too.

Homelessness and the issue of it along with others at the bottom end of the scale as many have said on this thread already, is something that needs to be dealt with by those elected to power, doing nothing,like this lot are doing but adding to the problem, will only help very sadly to see more of these mindless attacks on people who are homeless in my view.

Agree with this however whilst I don't agree with people who go to these extremes to villify homeless people I can understand that given the sheer pressure to survive in todays modern world and with people trying to cope with this pressure by say holding down 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet, being confronted and sometimes harrassed by people begging for money can invoke a negative reaction.

They probably feel that they are working hard to keep their heads above the waterline and for beggars to expect to just be given their hard earned cash is unacceptable.

Coupled with stories of people begging for a living it can portray begging in a bad light.

The reality however is that some people have desperate problems and have fallen through society's safety net. they do need our help however regardless of how bad a day we have had.

But throwing a few coins down to assuage one's guilt is no real solution, As a society we need to have far more resources available to help people, not spikes in the ground outside entrances to buildings





.

[Kizzy]

Totally agree, however I have to say, I think when certain groups of people like the homeless and also immigrants and even the sick and disabled are presented as people to be 'demonised' as unnecessary and a waste of resources by those in power ,rather than demonstrating full and committed passion to protecting them and helping them.
Then you will get these mindless people who think they,they homeless are fair game to be 'got' at.

The point is that if Govts. who have the resources, wealth and more to the point power to adddress such issues as homelessness did so, then they would not be seen as such easy targets as this poor guy was possibly
Helping to demonise such people and ignoring such issues or even adding to the problems via policy implemented only fuels the rotten way these 3 girls acted towards this guy.

Of course these girls were 100% wrong and really for me they should be in prison and off the streets.
Compassion and understanding of the needs of the homeless by those in power could just maybe remove the stigma attached to the homeless as being all just simply scroungers as they have done with benefit claimants too.

Homelessness and the issue of it along with others at the bottom end of the scale as many have said on this thread already, is something that needs to be dealt with by those elected to power, doing nothing,like this lot are doing but adding to the problem, will only help very sadly to see more of these mindless attacks on people who are homeless in my view.

Totally joey well said I wholeheartedly agree, from a sociological as well as a political on this is apparent but I can understand how it isn't immediately obvious to some.

[AnnieK]

So in just 4 years, really a very short time in the grand scheme of things, the Coalition government has turned all newspapers, all media outlets, all the country against homeless people? They've engineered a campaign which has altered the mindset of the whole country, turned friendly and caring people into vicious and violent thugs? Transformed a nation of charity givers into cruel individualists who hate the poor and only look out for themselves? Come off it.

If you blame laissez faire capitalism then you blame Labour as well as the Conservatives. Whether you like to admit it or not the parties are not that far apart ideologically. Since Blair the Labour party have supported capitalism and the free market just as the Conservatives always do. It's nonsense to make 2010 a watershed in the way that the homeless were treated, I don't exactly remember a lot of flattering headlines or positive schemes to help the homeless before then. I don't remember waves of compassion emanating from media outlets under New Labour. To say that there was is just rose tinted glasses imo.

Completely agree with this....this country has been going this way for many years, not just the last 4.

[Marsh.]

lmaoo at his pants coming down

You thug! :fist:

[joeysteele]

Well no one was made homeless before because of something like the bedroom tax that has brought sheer misery and an impossibility almost to cope with that extra burden.
That has certainly only come in during the last 4 years and if you cannot pay it and there is no other right sized housing to go to,then you get evicted for rent arrears.
That adds to the homeless,which means there are more of the homeless to attack.
That is a very sad and bad reflection on society and those who lead the Country too.

Also charities have had grants cut,the CAB centres are stretched to well over their limits as to helping people who are homeless and less and less is available to make the homeless more safe.
That is again something that has only happened over the last 4 years due to the austerity measures of this coalition Govt. which is helping add to the homeless problem.

Of course there have always been homeless people,Princess Diana was endlessly highlighting the plight of the homeless right up to her death in 1997.
However, these girls are more an unwelcome part of society than even the homeless are and I hope they are dealt with very severely.

I hate to even admit it but I find it disgusting any Govt in the UK in this time would cut resources and not help to address the homeless problem.
Make sure they are safe at night at the very least and also at the very least still afford some respect to their dignity that they should be afforded as human beings.

When something like that is in place then mindless,rotten people like these 3 individuals could have little or even no opportunity to carry out such cowardly and in fact criminal acts against those who may be vulnerable.
To say other govts. have done nothing is all well and good, and it is right to point out and condemn them too.
However the Govt. that is in now is the only one at present who could be addressing the needs of the homeless rather than adding even more burdens and numbers to the homeless too.

[lily.]

What was the point in this..... do you have an opinion n this topic or not?
You could have sent me a PM to tell me I'd missed an E from one of my posts, could you check them all for me please?... :laugh:

I just thought you'd like to know about it, since you were quick to point out Ammi's earlier faux pas.

Homeless people were much less of a problem under Labour, right?

Time for people to take control of themselves, their families, their kids and stop blaming everything that's wrong with society on the government. Unless you're a sheep and don't have any kind of freedom of thought, you should be bringing your kids up to be decent members of society and not disgusting thugs. If your kids are disgusting thugs it's your fault and not the fault of the government, and frankly the apologists for people who's kids are disgusting thugs aren't helping the situation, merely making excuses for it.

I agree with this. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. My kids aren't going around beating people up and they have the same society and government as these girls do.

[Vicky.]

I honestly don't think its right to blame the parents if their kids turn out to be twats. You can do everything right and your kid can still turn out to be an asshole.

[Livia]

I honestly don't think its right to blame the parents if their kids turn out to be twats. You can do everything right and your kid can still turn out to be an asshole.

True. But if it's not the parents' fault, I don't see how the government can be to blame.

[InOne]

I think people are looking into the whole incident far too deeply. I'm sure there's tons of cases like this over the years that haven't got reported in the way this has. It's mental in and outside clubs and bars all over the country. Some people want to fight or attack for no reason when they've had a few.

[Marc]

Yummy welsh

[Niamh.]

I think people are looking into the whole incident far too deeply. I'm sure there's tons of cases like this over the years that haven't got reported in the way this has. It's mental in and outside clubs and bars all over the country. Some people want to fight or attack for no reason when they've had a few.

eeeeexactly.

[Vicky.]

I think its just unfortunate timing this story coming out so close to the studs one :laugh:

[Ammi]

I think people are looking into the whole incident far too deeply. I'm sure there's tons of cases like this over the years that haven't got reported in the way this has. It's mental in and outside clubs and bars all over the country. Some people want to fight or attack for no reason when they've had a few.

..yeah Joe..sometime there is no 'psycholgy' to it at all/people just behave badly on night's out...

[joeysteele]

An attack on anyone is not the Govts. or Parents faults, no one is even saying that. However this was an attack,a cowardly attack by 3 people on a homeless person.
These 3 people who attacked him have homes to go to, have likely varied lives,they see someone homeless on the streets and then attack him,who can answer fully as to why they would do such a rotten act.

For me part of the answer to this particular problem and attack would be to ensure people homeless at least can be safe,that would not in any way cost a fortune.
Since charities are stretched and funds low to help as to charitable organisations then that is where govts. 'can' and 'should' do something to help.
My point is,(that is just brushed aside on this thread), is that this govt has added to the homeless numbers and problem by its social policies.
So more homeless are likely going to result in more mindless attacks like this one.

I am only 22 but even talking to my Parents they say they have never come across a govt. with a Chancellor, work and pensions secretary and PM who have in their own speeches and then allowed across the media,the demonisation of those most vulnerable, whether that is being on benefits or the homeless and also the way this govt dismisses so many people now using food banks too.
Defend such rotten actions by this govt. all people may like to,however at least acknowledge the possibility that their social policies are affecting the homeless and indeed adding to their numbers.
All charities that try to assist with the homeless are telling the govt that, even OXFAM are now in bother for daring to criticise the Govts. social policies

Of course it may never be possible to eradicate the homeless altogether but a few resources and targetted funds could ensure they at least have somewhere to go at night and be safe,also to have somewhere they can go to clean themselves up during the day too.
That,surely, in the UK in 2014 should not be an impossible task nor should it be one that isn't even addressed.

I knew I shouldn't comment on this thread as it is always just dismissed as attacking the govt.
Well then let the govt.show they have a will to deal with this problem in the Country they govern and make 'all' people as safe as they can be.

Also I have to add,to be really fair Kizzy is spot on, the demonisation of the homeless and other poor vulnerable social groups,is in part what fuels attacks such as this one.
Having a really ignorant smug Chancellor, making what I think are disgraceful comments as to people on benefits and who are vulnerable like the homeless, just makes me sick and almost ashamed that such people get elected to power in the first place.
Especially when they are told the homeless number is rising and likely to rise even more,yet they continue to pursue onward with the policies that are adding to the overall problem,in part.

That being so, then more of these attacks will happen and likely get worse in the attackers execution of same too.

[Kizzy]

Thankyou joey, I have to say it's great to see that I'm not alone in seeing this as a problem that is filtering through from policy to form a new social construct.
If it had been one or two girls that acted in this way then I would have thought as others do that it was an incident that was nothing to do with the fact that he was homeless.. However, there was a whole group, and the wording 'get a *********** job'!, the man was attacked by a group of young women who have a certain mindset towards a vulnerable minority group, 'the homeless'.
Can we be sure this is an isolated incident, and they haven't been indoctrinated by buzzwords like 'striver' and 'skiver' by the right wing media?
I can't help but feel there is a sinister undercurrent here, if it is a one off fine.... I really hope it is.

[James]

It reminds me of the scene at the beginning of 'A Clockwork Orange', and that was made at the beginning of the 70s, though it is set in the future.

I agree with the 'not blaming the government for this one' posters.

[Kizzy]

Let's hope this is one trend that stays in the US then.


http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2014/04/homeless-people-in-us-are-demonized-analyst-2461450.html

Official homelessness has increased 34 per cent in the last three years – a period that coincides with the start of the recession – and reverses the previous six-year trend of falling homelessness.
http://www.jrf.org.uk/blog/2013/12/homelessness-housing-market-failing

• The private rented sector is being relied on to meet housing demand yet is failing in too many instances – sharply rising numbers are being made homeless across the country because tenancies are ending but they cannot find or afford an alternative. This is now the leading cause of statutory homelessness in London (316% increase in homelessness due to this in the capital between 2009/10 – 2012/13).

http://www.crisis.org.uk/pressreleases.php/583/research-almost-one-in-ten-people-have-been-homeless

A range of specialist homelessness funding programmes intended to ameliorate the impact of these negative structural trends on particularly vulnerable groups are also due to end in 2014. It therefore seems that, as in 2010, we may soon be facing another critical juncture in homelessness trends in England.

http://www.crisis.org.uk/data/files/admin_uploads/research/HomelessnessMonitorEngland2013_ExecSummary.pdf

[Marsh.]

"get a ******* job"

Is the irony here that they were unemployed themselves perchance?

[arista]

"get a ******* job"

Is the irony here that they were unemployed themselves perchance?



Bang On Right

[Niamh.]

It reminds me of the scene at the beginning of 'A Clockwork Orange', and that was made at the beginning of the 70s, though it is set in the future.

I agree with the 'not blaming the government for this one' posters.

Exactly, this is not a new thing. I find it quite funny that some people are trying to convince us all that it is :laugh:

[user104658]

Exactly, this is not a new thing. I find it quite funny that some people are trying to convince us all that it is :laugh:

These attitudes don't have to be "new" in order for them to be "increasing"... And you do realise, "Clockwork Orange" is an imagining of a dystopian (then) future where a violent, angry and disaffected youth in a controlling, slowly crumbling society take out their anger on anyone and everyone. It is ABOUT violent youth who have been created by a broken society. It's a world that's starting to become a reality.

I honestly recommend to anyone ; read the book. The film doesn't capture the message (or, the warning?). It was written as almost science fiction. It doesn't seem so far fetched any more. Much like Orwell. These authors saw what was coming.

[user104658]

Of course... They also foresaw people determinedly burying their heads in the sand. Just sayin'.

[Niamh.]

These attitudes don't have to be "new" in order for them to be "increasing"... And you do realise, "Clockwork Orange" is an imagining of a dystopian (then) future where a violent, angry and disaffected youth in a controlling, slowly crumbling society take out their anger on anyone and everyone. It is ABOUT violent youth who have been created by a broken society. It's a world that's starting to become a reality.

I honestly recommend to anyone ; read the book. The film doesn't capture the message (or, the warning?). It was written as almost science fiction. It doesn't seem so far fetched any more. Much like Orwell. These authors saw what was coming.

It's not just that film though, I've seen and heard people say things to and about Homeless people like that all my life, not just in the last 4 years. And I maintain that these girls were drunken idiots probably prone to a bit of violence and if that Homeless guy hadn't been around then someone else probably would have annoyed them and got a beating

[Crimson Dynamo]

He may have asked for spare change
no need to attack him like that

Or he may have stuck his hands on one of their tits or called them filthy vile slags?

On the street at night, that can get you a kicking

[Kizzy]

Exactly, this is not a new thing. I find it quite funny that some people are trying to convince us all that it is :laugh:

Well you have your opinion and others have their view it seems, nobody is trying to convince you of anything niamh... I've provided some information on the homeless and how their number has increased significantly over the last few years due to policy change, it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

[arista]

Or he may have stuck his hands on one of their tits or called them filthy vile slags?

On the street at night, that can get you a kicking



No I doubt that

[Niamh.]

Well you have your opinion and others have their view it seems, nobody is trying to convince you of anything niamh... I've provided some information on the homeless and how their number has increased significantly over the last few years due to policy change, it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Super

[Crimson Dynamo]

No I doubt that

Its about as likely as a group of girl students randomly attacking a street beggar

[lily.]

It's not just that film though, I've seen and heard people say things to and about Homeless people like that all my life, not just in the last 4 years. And I maintain that these girls were drunken idiots probably prone to a bit of violence and if that Homeless guy hadn't been around then someone else probably would have annoyed them and got a beating

I agree with this. There have been homeless people hanging around my local town since I was at school.. and there have always been people who pick a fight with them..

There are also a few homeless people who pick fights with others.. so it's not all one-sided.

I also remember people yelling 'get a ****ing job' at them in the 80s..

None of this is new.

[Kizzy]

I don't know where you live but I can't say whether it's the 'norm' for your town, I've never heard of groups of female university students launching such a vicious assault before, to me that is the most shocking thing.

[Josy]

Drunk females trying to be 'big' filled with the bevvy on a night out, the homeless guy just happened to be the one in the wrong place at the wrong time, could have been anyone really especially when you constantly read in the media about people being attacked during nights out.

Horrible girls though.

[Josy]

In fact it's slightly worrying that some people are trying to make the homeless situation the main issue here when it's not. These girls physically attacked another person and injured them, that's the issue here, not the guy being homeless, not the government.

[Niamh.]

In fact it's slightly worrying that some people are trying to make the homeless situation the main issue here when it's not. These girls physically attacked another person and injured them, that's the issue here, not the guy being homeless, not the government.

:worship:

[lily.]

The town centre is full of drunks looking for trouble where I live... It's always been like that at the weekends.. Whether they pick on each other, some random passer-by, or a homeless person.. they will pick a fight.

I've watched the reality police shows and this seems to be a problem all over Britain. And, there are more girls launching violent attacks than boys nowadays.

[Kizzy]

The town centre is full of drunks looking for trouble where I live... It's always been like that at the weekends.. Whether they pick on each other, some random passer-by, or a homeless person.. they will pick a fight.

I've watched the reality police shows and this seems to be a problem all over Britain. And, there are more girls launching violent attacks than boys nowadays.

I understand you don't think that's a societal issue... understand I do.

[Ellen]

In fact it's slightly worrying that some people are trying to make the homeless situation the main issue here when it's not. These girls physically attacked another person and injured them, that's the issue here, not the guy being homeless, not the government.

:thumbs:

[arista]

Drunk females trying to be 'big' filled with the bevvy on a night out, the homeless guy just happened to be the one in the wrong place at the wrong time, could have been anyone really especially when you constantly read in the media about people being attacked during nights out.

Horrible girls though.


Yes they Are


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/09/article-2652681-1E67B4B000000578-642_634x437.jpg

[Livia]

The town centre is full of drunks looking for trouble where I live... It's always been like that at the weekends.. Whether they pick on each other, some random passer-by, or a homeless person.. they will pick a fight.

I've watched the reality police shows and this seems to be a problem all over Britain. And, there are more girls launching violent attacks than boys nowadays.

All true. And when the Conservatives are out and Labour are back in, as usually happens, there will still be a problem with homelessness, only the same people criticising now will be mysteriously quiet.

The rise in homelessness could be attributed to lots of things, I think the open borders policy has quite a lot to do with it. Many of the homeless people I see in London on a regular basis are eastern European, there has been a noticeable rise in people from there living on the streets.

[Livia]

In fact it's slightly worrying that some people are trying to make the homeless situation the main issue here when it's not. These girls physically attacked another person and injured them, that's the issue here, not the guy being homeless, not the government.

In a nutshell.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/09/article-2652681-1E67B2F400000578-29_634x473.jpg
Yes These Girls were wrong to gang up on this drunk man

[joeysteele]

In fact it's slightly worrying that some people are trying to make the homeless situation the main issue here when it's not. These girls physically attacked another person and injured them, that's the issue here, not the guy being homeless, not the government.

Well I am one who has done that,because although this is an attack on someone, which is the issue, the person also happens to be homeless.
Had he not been homeless then this thread as to his attack would likely not even need to exist as to him.
They themselves who attacked him made reference to him being homeless and not working by saying get a job.

It is all well and good to condemn the act of the assault and those who did it. however as I myself do on most things you also look at the bigger picture too.

Surely the right thing to do is not to accept that this should be something that should be in any shape or form accepted because there have always been homeless people.

However being homeless is a very relevant part of this issue since the guy was homeless and clearly it seems his attackers knew he was too by saying get a job.

So,I feel it is correct to look at what may be the best solution to ending such attacks, so I look for how to do that.
One thing I don't believe helps in any shape or form is to actually preside over having even more homeless people at the mercy of these mindless attackers.

How is there more homeless recently on the streets?
There you have to look at the big picture again and this Govt,I am sorry for repeating myself, has by its social policies created more homeless through benefit reform and the bedroom tax.
2 things which are indeed very relevant to homeless people and maybe even this victim.

So while I 100% agree, the people and the issues are the attackers and the homeless victim.
To comment on that with no expansion for what may be in some part of the reasons behind such an attack would mean that apart from 2 lines of condemning the attack and the atatckers and hoping the victim is okay after it.
There would with the fullest respect be nothing else to say and this would have been a very dead thread in effect.

Govts are there and elected to, govern and protect the people of this country.
Clearly as in the case of several other govts, this one does nothing to address same.
In fact it is adding to their numbers which is my point and one which I stand by 100%.

This attack was completely wrong and criminal but unless you start to reduce the numbers of homeless or ensure they can be as as safe as they can be, then such attacks are likely to increase against these vulnerable people.
The people with the 'real' power to address that and force a difference is the Govt. of the day so to make reference to that govt. is in my opinion perfectly relevant,with the fullest and due respect.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think unless we know the reasons why the girls gave him a doing then its all just conjecture

as i have said he may have started it for all we know

[Josy]

Well I am one who has done that,because although this is an attack on someone, which is the issue, the person also happens to be homeless.
Had he not been homeless then this thread as to his attack would likely not even need to exist as to him.
They themseleves who attacked him made reference to him being homeless and not working by saying get a job.

It is all well and good to condemn the act of the assault and those who did it. however as I myself do on most things you also look at the bigger picture too.

Surely the right thing to do is not to accept that this should be something that should be in nay shape or form accepted because there have always been homeless people.

However being homeless is a very relevant part of this issue since the guy was homeless and clearly it seems his attackers knew he was too by saying get a job.

So,I feel it is correct to look at what may be the best solution to ending such attacks, so I look for how to do that.
One thing I don't believe helps in any shape or form is to actually preside over having even more homeless people at the mercy of these mindless attackers.

How is there more homeless recently on the streets,there you have to look at the big picture again and this Govt,I am sorry for repeating myself, has by its social policies crerated more homeless thorugh benefit reform and the bedroon tax.
2 things which are indeed very relevant to homeless people and maybe even this victim.

So while I 100% agree, the people and the issues are the atatckers and the homeless victim.
To comment on that with no expansion for what may be in some part of the reasons behind such an attack would mean that apart from 2 lines of condemning the atatck and the atatckers and hoping the victim is okay after it.
There would with the fullest respect be nothing else to say and this would have been a very dead thread in effect.

Govts are there and elected to, govern and protect the people of this country.
Clearly as in the case of several other govts, this one does nothing to address same.
In fact it is adding to their numbers which is my point and one which I stand by 100%.

This attack was completely wrong and criminal but unless you start to reduce the numbers of homeless or ensure they can be as as safe as they can be, then such attacks are likely to increase against these vulnerable people.
The people with the 'real' power to address that and force a difference is the Govt. of the day so to make reference to that govt. is in my opinion perfectly relevant,with the fullest and due respect.

I completely understand the point you and others are making with the homeless issue Joey I just don't see it as something connected with this incident.

I know the man attacked was homeless but like I said previously I honestly think it was a case of him being in the wrong place at the wrong time and that these girls would have picked on anyone because they were filled with drink and as stated in the article doing a pub crawl so they were basically walking up and down streets going from pub to pub he was just the unfortunate one that was along the path they were on not to mention the fact that this particular pub crawl has been known in previous years for causing a lot of anti social behaviour anyway.

In reply to your comment that they specifically knew he was homeless, I'm guessing it was due to where he was, what he was wearing and the fact he actually asked them for spare change?

The police are responsible for putting a stop to behaviour like this or at the very least finding the people responsible and punishing them accordingly.

[Verbal]

Typical behaviour for Redbirds, sadly

[joeysteele]

I completely understand the point you and others are making with the homeless issue Joey I just don't see it as something connected with this incident.

I know the man attacked was homeless but like I said previously I honestly think it was a case of him being in the wrong place at the wrong time and that these girls would have picked on anyone because they were filled with drink and as stated in the article doing a pub crawl so they were basically walking up and down streets going from pub to pub he was just the unfortunate one that was along the path they were on not to mention the fact that this particular pub crawl has been known in previous years for causing a lot of anti social behaviour anyway.

In reply to your comment that they specifically knew he was homeless, I'm guessing it was due to where he was, what he was wearing and the fact he actually asked them for spare change?

The police are responsible for putting a stop to behaviour like this or at the very least finding the people responsible and punishing them accordingly.


I have no problem with agreeing with just about all you say above,usually I do anyway.

I am however someone who does think the police are relied on too much to deal with these problems and ever increasing numbers of homeless are not going to help them at all.
If in fact however,(it is a solid fact), that had this man had not been homeless then he would not have been where he was,the way he was and this attack on him would probably not have taken place.

So I do see homelessness here as a very relevant issue. Other people don't but I do and I believe I am right to say what I feel as all others are too.
My take on this is more needs to be done to protect and reduce the number of homeless not add to the problem,so that attacks like this one on someone who is homeless have little chance to happen.
You and I cannot do anything about that, we'd need power to be able to,so who does have the power to create the right environment and deal with the issue.
Sorry but for me that goes back to the Government of the day's door.

[lily.]

I understand you don't think that's a societal issue... understand I do.

I didn't say it was not a societal issue. I said it was not new.

[Josy]

Kizzy stop bringing stuff up involving comments that have already been cleaned from the thread, thanks

[Kizzy]

Sorry, the comment was there josy, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to quote it, you must have removed it as I was posting.

[Kizzy]

I didn't say it was not a societal issue. I said it was not new.

Ok, what I mean is I know you're saying it's a random act rather than a collective mindset against the homeless.

[joeysteele]

All true. And when the Conservatives are out and Labour are back in, as usually happens, there will still be a problem with homelessness, only the same people criticising now will be mysteriously quiet.

The rise in homelessness could be attributed to lots of things, I think the open borders policy has quite a lot to do with it. Many of the homeless people I see in London on a regular basis are eastern European, there has been a noticeable rise in people from there living on the streets.

I won't be Livia,you can be 100% sure that if nothing is done to try to eradicate these mindless attacks on the vulnerable and especially like on this homeless victim.
Also to show more compassion as to policy of dealing with the homeless, that I will be as forceful against Labour,(even if I have supported them), as I am against this govt.

[Kizzy]

I can't see any evidence for that seeing as homelessness fell consistently for 6yrs before the conservatives came to power and began their ruthless regime of cutting funding and removing safeguards for vulnerable groups.
It doesn't detract from how brutal and wrong this attack was, it doesn't justify violence however many folk are on the streets or where they are from, it's totally irrelevant here...

[Livia]

I won't be Livia,you can be 100% sure that if nothing is done to try to eradicate these mindless attacks on the vulnerable and especially like on this homeless victim.
Also to show more compassion as to policy of dealing with the homeless, that I will be as forceful against Labour,(even if I have supported them), as I am against this govt.

I have no doubt you will speak the truth as you see it joey. In fact, I have faith in that.

Even if Labour has still been in now, the homeless figure would have risen - as I said earlier in this thread - because of the open door policy at our borders. There is a very noticeable rise in eastern European people living on the street in London. It's a problem that successive governments have failed to address and they simply blame it on each other without making any inroads in addressing it.

[Kizzy]

That can only be assumed, as it fell consistently for 6yrs there is no evidence to say it would have risen under the previous government is there?
There are many homeless from all walks of life, as said it doesn't go anyway to justifying any attack however many are homeless in the capital.
This government has not only failed those already homeless but added to that over the previous year due the changes to housing benefit and welfare policy.

[lily.]

Ok, what I mean is I know you're saying it's a random act rather than a collective mindset against the homeless.


Yes, basically. I think there has always been and will always be thugs who think it is okay to go around assaulting people, regardless of whether they are homeless, or just passers-by.

I have never assaulted or abused a homeless person, and I still wouldn't, no matter how the government behaves. I think it is basically down to whether you are a decent person or not. These girls are clearly not decent people, sadly.

[Kizzy]

Clearly, thing is for me it's the socio economic group, the language and the gender combined that makes this scary to me.

[lily.]

It might be a sexist thing to say, but I find it worrying that so many girls are acting this way. It seems to be commonplace nowadays.

I would be interested to know if these girls were charged for this, and if there were any 'sexual battery' charges brought. Can you imagine the reaction had this been 3 men against a woman..