Isis in Iraq :UK to Air Bomb Iraq : Gulf War 3 :Turkey traded British

[arista]

Iraq
invaded by GW Bush/Blair under a false reasons
now going back to Enemy Control.



http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/10/315444/default/v3/cegrab-20140610-130015-688-1-522x293.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1279325/iraq-al-qaeda-splinter-group-seizes-mosul

[Nedusa]

What the hell was the point of the Iraq war ?

Apart from the death and destruction to people and buildings , the destruction of the country's infrastructure the destruction of their economy and industry and agriculture.

Apart from the millions dead, injured, displaced breakdown of law and order, sectarian violence.

For Al-Qaeda to just march back in and take over........what the hell was the point ??

[arista]

Ch4News just reported they got loads of USA weapons


Bloody America
why not clear all that out
when you left this year.

[Livia]

We're going to have to bomb them flat next time.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/10/315574/default/v1/indy-jpg-1-221x295.jpg

[Nedusa]

Great Job well done...........take a Country that is ruled by an evil Dictator, bomb the Country into smithereens and replace it with Anarchy

Priceless...............

[arista]

They taking over more of Iraq
Soon they will get to the Oil Zones
I wonder if they can carry on while Iraq goes back to War,
Without USA or UK forces this time

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

What an absolute mess.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/12/article-0-1EB74DCF00000578-223_964x981.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/13/article-2656905-1EBB0A4700000578-459_964x551.jpg

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/13/316401/default/v1/guardian-1-329x437.jpg
Iran and USA Join to fight
not as one they do not

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/us-iran-fight-jihadis-iraq

[GypsyGoth]

These are the laws they will impose upon any place that falls under what they call their Caliphate


Women are told they should not go outside unless necessary, because their place is to provide stability at home.
They must wear full, wide Islamic dress
Stealing or looting will result in the amputation of limbs
Criminals can be crucified (this law quotes a verse from the Quran)
Muslims must participate in group prayers at mosques 'on time'
Muslims will be well-treated, unless they are allied with oppressors
Drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes are banned
Rival political or armed groups are also banned
Police and military officers will be given the chance to repent
Apostasy is punishable by death and carrying flags, except those of the Islamic state, is not allowed
Graves and shrines are forbidden, and will be destroyed


source: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/13/isis-iraq-brutality_n_5490910.html

They really are like something out of the dark ages.

[Ninastar]

Can't wait!!!

[arista]

"something out of the dark ages. "


Yes Blair/Bush are why this is going Down

[Ninastar]

Pretty sure that there would still be corrupt countries without them actually existing

[Livia]

"something out of the dark ages. "


Yes Blair/Bush are why this is going Down

I think the people who are actually doing this need to take some responsibility. The Iraqi government need to act and act fast.

The interesting thing to me about the list of laws Gyps quoted and the comments about them going back to the Stone Age... Islam is only just over a thousand years old, a relative newbie in religious terms. I feel terribly sorry for the ordinary people in Iraq, those trying to go about their business, lead their lives, feed their families... Fundamentalists really are the scum of humanity

[Ninastar]

I think the people who are actually doing this need to take some responsibility. The Iraqi government need to act and act fast.

The interesting thing to me about the list of laws Gyps quoted and the comments about them going back to the Stone Age... Islam is only just over a thousand years old, a relative newbie in religious terms. I feel terribly sorry for the ordinary people in Iraq, those trying to go about their business, lead their lives, feed their families... Fundamentalists really are the scum of humanity

Well said, wifey.

[MTVN]

The power vacuum was opened up there after the toppling of Saddam and this is the result. It's the same story across a lot of the Middle East really, countries which are melting pots of different ethnic/religious/political tensions which are just waiting to boil over. As brutal as a lot of Middle Eastern dictators are they were also the only things keeping a lid on those tensions, so we now have had civil wars in Syria and Libya, Egypt has seen a lot of bloodshed and power struggles, and now Iraq is going the same way. A lot of people realised this would be the product of an ill thought out invasion back in 2003; the men in charge didn't listen.

[Livia]

I'm not trying to suggest for a minute that the invasion was a positive thing for Iraq. Quite the reverse... but what worries and saddens me is that other Islamic countries, the stable ones, the ones with the clout and the oil and the money, do nothing to sort this sh1t out. Now Obama is fiddling about with it again. And every time there's a disaster in the making like this one, the UN demonstrates once again what a useless, expensive, toothless waste of time it is.

[Livia]

Well said, wifey.

Morning, dear.

[arista]

From Ch4HD News

Mosul prefers Isis
and some people have left due to Iraqi Air force attacks
The leader of Mosul
does not want USA Air Strikes
as the American Drones
murder normal people at the same time of any attack.




America Attacking with Drones
will only make everything worse.


Iran is Happy with keeping the South safe.


Its a Split nation
Stupid Bush -Blair
should have left Saddam
in Total Control.

[arista]

Tony Blair: west must intervene in Iraq
Ex-PM says allies should consider military options short of sending troops after denying 2003 invasion led to Isis crisis


Fecking Blair on Every News


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/15/1402827069551/Tony-Blair-009.jpg


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/15/tony-blair-west-intervene-iraq-isis-military-options

[arista]

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[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/16/article-2658608-1ECDEE7100000578-188_964x427.jpg
[Militants in Iraqi have published fresh pictures
which they say are of soldiers who deserted
the army being executed. The pictures
show groups of men being rounded up,
beaten and transported to the desert
where they are shot in a ditch.
They emerged shortly after Tony Blair
was branded a medieval 'crusader' by
his former deputy for calling for a new
military campaign in the Middle East.
Mr Blair - now a Middle East peace envoy - called for
the West to intervene in both Iraq and Syria
to ensure that Islamist fanatics
are 'countered hard, with force'.
Blair's comments prompted an
avalanche of criticism from both Left and Right,
with even allies suggesting he
should 'stay quiet during moments like this'. ]


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658608/Fury-Blair-warmonger-Storm-former-Prime-Ministers-call-new-blitz-Iraq-self-justifying-essay.html

[Nedusa]

Time to build a big fence around these countries and then prepare the drones and dust off the Sarin gas warheads.

Pushing the west into a corner on this will only result in brutal retalitory strikes with an unimaginable loss of life.

When all is said and done order will be restored by the West one way......or another

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/16/article-2658858-1ED4C42A00000578-595_964x399.jpg
South Iraq
getting ready to fight Isis
Children as well.


Backwards nations

[Nedusa]

The West can't really get involved in this latest conflict as it is sectarian in nature and the west cannot be seen to be taking sides against the Sunni's or the Shiite's.

Difficult one for Obama this as he needs to talk to Iran who are one of the main regional powers. Israel must be fuming, even the UK are opening their Embassy in Tehran.

what an absolute farce the middle east has become







.

[MTVN]

Some good points by Robert Fisk on the things that we won't hear Western leaders talk about:

n The story of Iraq and the story of Syria are the same – politically, militarily and journalistically: two leaders, one Shia, the other Alawite, fighting for the existence of their regimes against the power of a growing Sunni Muslim international army.

n While the Americans support the wretched Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his elected Shia government in Iraq, the same Americans still demand the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad of Syria and his regime, even though both leaders are now brothers-in-arms against the victors of Mosul and Tikrit.

n The Croesus-like wealth of Qatar may soon be redirected away from the Muslim rebels of Syria and Iraq to the Assad regime, out of fear and deep hatred for its Sunni brothers in Saudi Arabia (which may invade Qatar if it becomes very angry).

n We all know of the “deep concern” of Washington and London at the territorial victories of the Islamists – and the utter destruction of all that America and Britain bled and died for in Iraq. No one, however, will feel as much of this “deep concern” as Shia Iran and Assad of Syria and Maliki of Iraq, who must regard the news from Mosul and Tikrit as a political and military disaster. Just when Syrian military forces were winning the war for Assad, tens of thousands of Iraqi-based militants may now turn on the Damascus government, before or after they choose to advance on Baghdad.

n No one will care now how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been slaughtered since 2003 because of the fantasies of Bush and Blair. These two men destroyed Saddam’s regime to make the world safe and declared that Iraq was part of a titanic battle against “Islamofascism”. Well, they lost. Remember that the Americans captured and recaptured Mosul to crush the power of Islamist fighters. They fought for Fallujah twice. And both cities have now been lost again to the Islamists. The armies of Bush and Blair have long gone home, declaring victory.

n Under Obama, Saudi Arabia will continue to be treated as a friendly “moderate” in the Arab world, even though its royal family is founded upon the Wahhabist convictions of the Sunni Islamists in Syria and Iraq – and even though millions of its dollars are arming those same fighters. Thus does Saudi power both feed the monster in the deserts of Syria and Iraq and cosy up to the Western powers that protect it.

n We should also remember that Maliki’s military attempts to retake Mosul are likely to be ferocious and bloody, just as Assad’s battles to retake cities have proved to be. The refugees fleeing Mosul are more frightened of Shia government revenge than they are of the Sunni jihadists who have captured their city.

n We will all be told to regard the new armed “caliphate” as a “terror nation”. Abu Mohamed al-Adnani, the Isis spokesman, is intelligent, warning against arrogance, talking of an advance on Baghdad when he may be thinking of Damascus. Isis is largely leaving the civilians of Mosul unharmed.

n Finally, we will be invited to regard the future as a sectarian war when it will be a war between Muslim sectarians and Muslim non-sectarians. The “terror” bit will be provided by the arms we send to all sides.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iraq-crisis-sunni-caliphate-has-been-bankrolled-by-saudi-arabia-9533396.html

[arista]

The West can't really get involved in this latest conflict as it is sectarian in nature and the west cannot be seen to be taking sides against the Sunni's or the Shiite's.

Difficult one for Obama this as he needs to talk to Iran who are one of the main regional powers. Israel must be fuming, even the UK are opening their Embassy in Tehran.

what an absolute farce the middle east has become







.




America has put troops in a nation near Iraq
so if the Embassy staff are attacked they can save them
Unlike US Libya Staff that were killed



Its when he can drone kill them, is what they are debating
in America


But the Problem is they (N. Iraq) want Isis in their towns
so Public would be Killed - Murdered by USA Drone bombers

[arista]

Their America Auto Drone Bombers
will also Murder the Public

No Fecking General talks about
the Public killed in Error by USA Drone Bombers
thats strange?

[arista]

USA so far saying they are sending 300 Special Forces.
ref: SkyNewsHD Live


That is much better than using Drone Bombers
that will murder More Public while killing some Isis.

[arista]

Isis take over another town

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/02/1404300323673_wps_2_A_young_British_jihadist_.jpg
[Nasser Muthana tweeted: 'UK is afraid I come back with skills I've gained.'
He also posted pictures of bombs and weapons he has made
Brother Aseel Muthana has also used social media to brag about beheadings
Aseel says online he is willing to be a 'martyr' and won't return to the UK
Their father says the brothers should be brought back to UK and jailed]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2677632/Jihad-obligatory-British-teenager-17-fled-fight-Syria-alongside-older-brother-says-willing-die-ISIS-wont-return-UK.html#ixzz36M7nqiAG

[arista]

[President Barack Obama has approved airstrikes in Iraq, as he confirmed US planes had dropped aid to Iraqis trapped on a mountain by Islamist fighters.
Three aircraft delivered food and water and left the drop zone after 15 minutes, according to the Pentagon.
Mr Obama said he had agreed to targeted strikes - if needed - to protect US citizens working in Irbil, and also to prevent a potential "genocide" of the Yazidi people.
He stressed there was no intention of sending in any troops. ]


So Obama
is giving aid to some.
And some Air Strikes?

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/8/328064/default/v2/iraq-slider-map-2-2-942x530.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1315089/obama-approves-strikes-to-stop-iraq-genocide

[arista]

US Strikes ISIS Artillery In Northern Iraq

Two US fighter jets drop bombs on Islamist militants after Barack Obama vowed to protect Americans and prevent a "genocide".

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/8/328228/default/v2/185729188-1-522x293.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1315410/us-strikes-isis-artillery-in-northern-iraq


Will America get attacked soon?

[Livia]

US Strikes ISIS Artillery In Northern Iraq

Two US fighter jets drop bombs on Islamist militants after Barack Obama vowed to protect Americans and prevent a "genocide".

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/8/328228/default/v2/185729188-1-522x293.jpg


http://news.sky.com/story/1315410/us-strikes-isis-artillery-in-northern-iraq


Will America get attacked soon?

They've also dropped food and supplies for Yazidis, Christians and other groups targeted by Isis.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and they are all doing it in the name of their particular made up deity

perhaps if we could teach them there are no gods instead of bombing them they all might evolve quicker

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:oh hang on we need to do that to the USA first

[Livia]

and they are all doing it in the name of their particular made up deity

perhaps if we could teach them there are no gods instead of bombing them they all might evolve quicker

Good luck with that...

[arista]

They've also dropped food and supplies for Yazidis, Christians and other groups targeted by Isis.


Yes that was was on my post
yesterday.


ISIS has said they will attack America
do they have sleepers
in America?

[jackc1806]

The world is a very scary place.

[arista]

The world is a very scary place.


But Bush /Blair had no reason to wreck Iraq
with that illegal invasion




So USA -UK has made matters worse

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/08/article-2719698-205DBA5800000578-380_964x418.jpg

[Livia]

Yes that was was on my post
yesterday.


ISIS has said they will attack America
do they have sleepers
in America?

Sorry arista, I missed it.

It's entirely possible that they have sleepers in the US. It's also entirely possible that the CIA know where most of them are.

The world is a very scary place.

Ain't that the truth, Jack...

[arista]

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[lostalex]

i didn't support the Iraq war in 2003, but i definitely support these airstrikes. It is the right thing to do.

[Kizzy]

It's exactly the same people orchestrating now as there was then.

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/did-israel-lead-us-war-iraq

[arista]

i didn't support the Iraq war in 2003, but i definitely support these airstrikes. It is the right thing to do.


So America is now the World Police
and yesterdays bombs just hit a load of armed trucks
did not kill many ISIS troops

[Livia]

i didn't support the Iraq war in 2003, but i definitely support these airstrikes. It is the right thing to do.

Me too. Totally the right thing to do. The humanitarian part of the operation is saving countless lives. If people can't see the need for this op then they've really not acquainted themselves with the problem.

It's exactly the same people orchestrating now as there was then.

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/did-israel-lead-us-war-iraq

You're reading the Jewish press now? LOL... good for you. Blame Israel! It's really fashionable at the moment.

[lostalex]

:facepalm:oh hang on we need to do that to the USA first

dare you to try! :hehe:

[Kizzy]

You're reading the Jewish press now? LOL... good for you. Blame Israel! It's really fashionable at the moment.

I read lot's of things livia, are the Jewish press blaming Israel?

[Livia]

I read lot's of things livia, are the Jewish press blaming Israel?

Why are you asking me? I thought you read lots of things?

Islamic Jihad blames Israel, together with a handful of poster on here it seems. Are we going to turn every thread into an anti-Israeli thread?

Last post to you on this before it turns into another argument. I come here to have fun, not to be followed around and prodded.

[Kizzy]

I only commented due to alex and his 2003 comparison to recent flare up, it was nothing against Israel or you.

[arista]

The American President Live on Worldwide TV
it talking bollocks

He says everything must go the the Iraqi Leader
but that leader hates the kurds?


That nation is going back in time
women are less than dogs etc.


The Point is - what the feck has it to do with America

[lostalex]

The American President Live on Worldwide TV
it talking bollocks

He says everything must go the the Iraqi Leader
but that leader hates the kurds?


That nation is going back in time
women are less than dogs etc.


The Point is - what the feck has it to do with America
We spent how many of millions of dollars training the Iraqi military to defend their own country against these terrorist groups? and they all turned out to be cowards. if the Iraqi men are so cowardly to not even be able to protect their own land, then obviously America must step up. America is obviously invested in this situation, and we owe it to the women and children to defend them if the Iraqi men will not do it themselves. yes, Team America and all that ****, we shouldn't have to be Team America though, i'm really disappointed in the Iraqi men. shame on them. COWARDLY IRAQI MEN.

[arista]

We spent how many of millions of dollars training the Iraqi military to defend their own country against these terrorist groups? and they all turned out to be cowards. if the Iraqi men are so cowardly to not even be able to protect their own land, then obviously America must step up. America is obviously invested in this situation, and we owe it to the women and children to defend them if the Iraqi men will not do it themselves. yes, Team America and all that ****, we shouldn't have to be Team America though, i'm really disappointed in the Iraqi men. shame on them. COWARDLY IRAQI MEN.


Wrong you Wasted Billions
they hate Americans


So you want to stay there Forever?

[lostalex]

Wrong you Wasted Billions
they hate Americans


So you want to stay there Forever?

WE want them to have a free and safe country. That's what we want. and considering how much we've already damaged that country, we owe it to them.

[arista]

WE want them to have a free and safe country. That's what we want.


But its Feck all to do with you Now


Evil Bush -Blair Fecked up that nation



Safe - Is not Middle East
Women are Dogs

[lostalex]

But its Feck all to do with you know


Evil Bush -Blair Fecked up that nation



Safe - Is not Middle East
Women are Dogs

that's why we owe them. it's why we have to try to protect them dude. so many innocent people are being slaughtered. we OWE it to them to help them. don't you see that?

we used our bombs in the wrong way before, we certainly owe it to them to use our bombs in the right way now.

[arista]

that's why we owe them. it's why we have to try to protect them dude. so many innocent people are being slaughtered. we OWE it to them to help them. don't you see that?

we used our bombs in the wrong way before, we certainly owe it to them to use our bombs in the right way now.


But they hate You


As for dropping Food Aid
on a BBC Dateline Debate today
one said its like feeding them before there heads are cut off.


ISIS is backwards in every way
America can not stop them.

[lostalex]

But they hate You


As for dropping Food Aid
on a BBC Dateline Debate today
one said its like feeding them before there heads are cut off.


ISIS is backwards in every way
America can not stop them.

we aren't super heroes, but in situations like this, we have to try to be. we just have to try. we owe them.

we ****ed up their country, and we have a big debt to pay. it's our job to try to make it right.

[arista]

we aren't super heroes, but in situations like this, we have to try to be. we just have to try. we owe them.

we ****ed up their country, and we have a big debt to pay. it's our job to try to make it right.


Yes you Have thats why ISIS in America are getting ready to
Attack.



They said if America touches them they will
Attack inside America
you will not know when



Thats just Tragic.

[lostalex]

Yes you Have thats why ISIS in America are getting ready to
Attack.



They said if America touches them they will
Attack inside America
you will not know when



Thats just Tragic.

i'm not scared. i'm only scared for the people trapped by isis on mountains. we know exactly how to help them. the US military is doing exactly what it should be doing.

[arista]

i'm not scared. i'm only scared for the people trapped by isis on mountains. we know exactly how to help them.


Yes but many can not get to the Aid dropped



Every one says to little , to late

The American President left it to late
now he is on Holiday - how nice



ISIS have Won.

They can Flood loads of people
as they can blow up the Dam.

[lostalex]

Yes but many can not get to the Aid dropped



Every one says to little , to late

The American President left it to late
now he is on Holiday - how nice



ISIS have Won.

They can Flood loads of people
as they can blow up the Dam.

Isis hasn't won, if they had i'd be dead right? lol They are pathetic guerrillas no different than the pathetic guerillia groups in south america. the president of iraq will now make concessions to america. he will actually beg us for more help. he already has.

[arista]

Isis hasn't won, if they had i'd be dead right? lol They are pathetic guerrillas no different than the pathetic guerillia groups in south america. the president of iraq will now make concessions to america. he will actually beg us for more help. he already has.


He is the Real Problem
he hates the Kurds


What has the Dumb President of America
set up
everything goes through the Iraqi leader


He should pull right out
it was Bush - Blairs fault

[arista]

From our Live CH4HD News
a Kurdish Troop just said Americas 2 bombs made no change to ISIS
they are still there
and even worse ISIS has taken 500 women


Alex are you able to watch CNN or anything?

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/9/328395/default/v2/telegraph-1-329x437.jpg

[Northern Monkey]

We and America have a duty to go back and wipe this ISIS group out.After all,Our government and the US helped cause this ****.Drones,Attack choppers,Fighter bombers,Boots on the ground.....Whatever it takes.

[arista]

We and America have a duty to go back and wipe this ISIS group out.After all,Our government and the US helped cause this ****.Drones,Attack choppers,Fighter bombers,Boots on the ground.....Whatever it takes.


Yes I get that.


But ISIS trucks are just being hit.
no major set back

Drones used today


But no USA Army Boots on the Ground
the President confirmed.
Which means the Dam is staying under ISIS control.



Today reports on Children dying on the mountain


and
[Evidence emerges jihadists have been
burying women and children alive in
northern Iraq in their bloody advance across the country.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1316257/iraqi-militants-execute-500-some-buried-alive

[arista]

The Kurds need new weapons
dropped direct in their zone.
Because at least the Kurds will fight.

Not given direct to that well dodgy Iraqi Leader.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/11/article-2721417-2064B7C600000578-73_634x397.jpg

[arista]

I can not believe some Dumb MPs
are saying send in troops.

Some people never learn
the sunni tribes want ISIS
this is the problem.


Saddam had total control of that pot
Bush /Blair took him away
and had no plan to fill the void


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/11/article-2721417-086C5F8400000514-582_634x342.jpg
ISIS taking control

[lostalex]

why have the british press gone from calling them ISIS to just calling them IS forces? i noticed that in the past few days.

[lostalex]

I can not believe some Dumb MPs
are saying send in troops.

Some people never learn
the sunni tribes want ISIS
this is the problem.


Saddam had total control of that pot
Bush /Blair took him away
and had no plan to fill the void


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/11/article-2721417-086C5F8400000514-582_634x342.jpg
ISIS taking control

Sadam was just as brutal and evil as the ISIS are. it's okay to hate both. it's not one or the other dude. It's not hypocritical to hate both.

[MTVN]

why have the british press gone from calling them ISIS to just calling them IS forces? i noticed that in the past few days.

IS stands for the Islamic State which they seem to have taken to calling themselves more recently in Iraq: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-declares-new-islamic-state-in-middle-east-with-abu-bakr-albaghdadi-as-emir-removing-iraq-and-syria-from-its-name-9571374.html

[lostalex]

IS stands for the Islamic State which they seem to have taken to calling themselves more recently in Iraq: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-declares-new-islamic-state-in-middle-east-with-abu-bakr-albaghdadi-as-emir-removing-iraq-and-syria-from-its-name-9571374.html

yea, and it used to be Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. and they are cross borders. Why is the press trying to deny that this is a cross border problem, both Iraq and Syria. are we meant to forget about Syria??

I'm glad that the US is finally starting to wake up to the problem in Iraq, but it's not okay to forget about what's happening in Syria, we hate Assad so it's okay to support ISIS in Syria, but we are against them in Iraq? It's the same terrorist group.

[arista]

Sadam was just as brutal and evil as the ISIS are. it's okay to hate both. it's not one or the other dude. It's not hypocritical to hate both.



Sadam was better than ISIS.
he could control that nation.


Stupid Bush/Blair

[MTVN]

yea, and it used to be Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. and they are cross borders. Why is the press trying to deny that this is a cross border problem, both Iraq and Syria. are we meant to forget about Syria??

I'm glad that the US is finally starting to wake up to the problem in Iraq, but it's not okay to forget about what's happening in Syria, we hate Assad so it's okay to support ISIS in Syria, but we are against them in Iraq? It's the same terrorist group.

I agree, that's the whole problem. If Isis can be headed off in Iraq than great but then they will just focus more attention elsewhere, mainly to Syria and like you say we can't start attacking them there because then we'd essentially be defending Assad. I don't think the West has a clue what to do now about Syria tbh, they might quietly be hoping that Assad's forces can actually defeat the Islamists there.

[arista]

A USA General on All News
just said its temp that they are holding ISIS back for now
while try to help those on the Mountains.

So far ISIS has not blown a USA Helicopter
out of the sky.

[lostalex]

A USA General on All News
just said its temp that they are holding ISIS back for now
while try to help those on the Mountains.

So far ISIS has not blown a USA Helicopter
out of the sky.

why is it when you say that you sound like you want it to happen. asshole.

[lostalex]

I agree, that's the whole problem. If Isis can be headed off in Iraq than great but then they will just focus more attention elsewhere, mainly to Syria and like you say we can't start attacking them there because then we'd essentially be defending Assad. I don't think the West has a clue what to do now about Syria tbh, they might quietly be hoping that Assad's forces can actually defeat the Islamists there.

I agree with your assessment completely. the west is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

but there are innocent people trapped on a mountain, and i am proud for my tax dollars to help save as many of them as possible. I think it is a noble mission. It's about time we started making things right.

[arista]

why is it when you say that you sound like you want it to happen. asshole.



Wrong I do not want any Deaths.


But going in this late
things will go wrong.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/11/328761/default/v1/sun-1-214x285.jpg

[arista]

Matt Wright on His Ch5HD show
said the PM should return from his Portugal holiday
and recall Parliament


He is Fecking mental.


This ISIS War
is not our war.

[Northern Monkey]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/8/11/328761/default/v1/sun-1-214x285.jpg

OMG!

[arista]

Yes his son learning to hold the Cut Off head of a dead enemy
If only Bush/Blair never touched Iraq.


and now
http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/bill2.jpg
[Bill O'Reilly really went after President Obama tonight for, he argued, failing to take any
concrete action to stop the spread of ISIS in Iraq. O’Reilly charged that Obama
“does not want to lead” and he has allowed a massive spread of terrorism under his watch.
O’Reilly found it unbelievable that the White House didn’t recognize any immediate danger
from these “killers.” He charged that for “one solid year,” Obama “did absolutely nothing to
contain this threat.” He even went so far as to say what’s happening now is comparable
to the lead-up to World War II, and there’s “no difference in the mentality of the Nazis and ISIS.”]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-tears-into-obama-for-doing-absolutely-nothing-to-stop-isis/
Video Link

[arista]

Video: Reporter Confronts Iraq ISIS Militants

http://news.sky.com/story/1317482/video-reporter-confronts-iraq-isis-militants
Video has subtitles
at least they know of him as a independent reporter Rudaw
and did not shoot him.

[arista]

A Helicopter Crashed (Iraqi Control)
due to far to many people on board
A New York Reporter managed to stay alive
but the Pilot died

Many of the the other 3 are trying to move
children and woman off the mountain.

[lostalex]

A Helicopter Crashed (Iraqi Control)
due to far to many people on board
A New York Reporter managed to stay alive
but the Pilot died

Many of the the other 3 are trying to move
children and woman off the mountain.

I told you. you shouldn't have wished for it. :(

[arista]

I told you. you shouldn't have wished for it. :(



I did not


Its just its bound to happen
and this was not a American Helicopter
its the Iraqi troops

[lostalex]

I did not


Its just its bound to happen
and this was not a American Helicopter
its the Iraqi troops

well, if your wife crashes the car you bought her...

you still feel like it's your car... just saying

[Nedusa]

Another day another crisis in the Middle East, the west has inadvertently caused this mess by their initial rush to War in Iraq in 2003. In their haste to topple Saddam they had no realistic plan to cope with the aftermath.

Years later and after a very dubious attempt to create a western leaning Iraqi Govt and army we watch in horror as large parts of that army with weapons supplied by the west decide not to go along with the western supported Govt of Maliki preferring instead to join the Isis group. a group so extreme that even Al Queda want nothing to do with them.

Now switch across to Syria another Country the west feels is ready for regime change and our old friend Assad is fighting dissent by his own population. So what does the west do ? It arms all the groups fighting against Assad as they are the enemy of my enemy so they must be my friends....right

Err...No actually they are the same terrorist extremists the west has been fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya they are no friend of the West.

Anyway now in our pretty little picture of Middle Eastern chaos we have large numbers of young Jihadists battle hardened with hatred against the west and their Non Sunni brothers...and armed to the teeth with weapons from Syria and the deserters from the Iraqi army.

So why wouldn't they try and set up their own Caliphate they have plenty of heavy weaponry billions of Dollars of stolen cash and lots of time and money to enjoy their murderous killing spree.

They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.





.

[arista]

[They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.]



Yes Bush/Blair dumb

[arista]

The PM Al -Maliki has now stood down in Iraq



Ref: SkyNewsHD and CNN


http://news.sky.com/story/1318261/iraq-pm-quits-as-rescue-mission-called-off

[Anaesthesia]

Another day another crisis in the Middle East, the west has inadvertently caused this mess by their initial rush to War in Iraq in 2003. In their haste to topple Saddam they had no realistic plan to cope with the aftermath.

Years later and after a very dubious attempt to create a western leaning Iraqi Govt and army we watch in horror as large parts of that army with weapons supplied by the west decide not to go along with the western supported Govt of Maliki preferring instead to join the Isis group. a group so extreme that even Al Queda want nothing to do with them.

Now switch across to Syria another Country the west feels is ready for regime change and our old friend Assad is fighting dissent by his own population. So what does the west do ? It arms all the groups fighting against Assad as they are the enemy of my enemy so they must be my friends....right

Err...No actually they are the same terrorist extremists the west has been fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya they are no friend of the West.

Anyway now in our pretty little picture of Middle Eastern chaos we have large numbers of young Jihadists battle hardened with hatred against the west and their Non Sunni brothers...and armed to the teeth with weapons from Syria and the deserters from the Iraqi army.

So why wouldn't they try and set up their own Caliphate they have plenty of heavy weaponry billions of Dollars of stolen cash and lots of time and money to enjoy their murderous killing spree.

They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.





.

:clap1:

[lostalex]

what a load of bull**** medusa. so the innocent people killed by religious fanatics are people reaping what they sow? explain that to me... innocent people with no connection to America, or Al queada, or sad am hussein, or anything else to do with any of the bull**** politics you are talking about, but they are still DEAD, how is that reaping what they sow??

what a load of crap.

[Kizzy]

Has it gone full circle, I remember in the mid 90s the gulf war and there was genocide suspected then with sunnis against the shias?

[anne666]

This woman sums Obama and Blair up very well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Y7ykCIpNk

Watch the war criminal and current Middle East Peace Envoy(what a sick joke) Tony Blair being humiliated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPj5IhATZ7k

And idiot Cheney who would do it all again! Yes Iraq is in really good shape!!!


http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/23/cheney-on-iraq-we-left-it-in-good-shape-for-the-obama-administration-video/

[arista]

The Kurds have the Dam now


Isis on the run

[Nedusa]

what a load of bull**** medusa. so the innocent people killed by religious fanatics are people reaping what they sow? explain that to me... innocent people with no connection to America, or Al queada, or sad am hussein, or anything else to do with any of the bull**** politics you are talking about, but they are still DEAD, how is that reaping what they sow??

what a load of crap.

Wtf...???

Does it hurt your brain when you try to understand Middle eastern politics .

Best left to the adults I think, you should go back to reading your comics.

[lostalex]

Wtf...???

Does it hurt your brain when you try to understand Middle eastern politics .

Best left to the adults I think, you should go back to reading your comics.

you haven't been discussing mid east politics though medusa, you have just been repeating the talking points you read on your conspiracy websites things you've probably read on Facebook.

You haven't expressed an individual thought or unique opinion yet.

[Z]

There is no clean cut end goal here, the fighting will continue until everyone is dead or enough people have died on one side that another side "wins" and gains control of the region until the next uprising. The West shouldn't be getting involved, but of course we will because that's what we do. The mix of different religions and the stupid land borders that don't reflect reality and the meddling from outside influences have created this volatile cocktail and it's not going to go away if the West barges in and tries to placate each side; part of the problem is the West trying to tell everyone what to do is seriously offensive to most concerned parties. I think a major shake up of land divisions will unfold over the coming months and years and I think it'll only continue to escalate.

[Nedusa]

you haven't been discussing mid east politics though medusa, you have just been repeating the talking points you read on your conspiracy websites things you've probably read on Facebook.

You haven't expressed an individual thought or unique opinion yet.


:shocked::shocked::shocked:

[lostalex]

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

I can recognize a russian shill from a mile away!

[arista]

There is no clean cut end goal here, the fighting will continue until everyone is dead or enough people have died on one side that another side "wins" and gains control of the region until the next uprising. The West shouldn't be getting involved, but of course we will because that's what we do. The mix of different religions and the stupid land borders that don't reflect reality and the meddling from outside influences have created this volatile cocktail and it's not going to go away if the West barges in and tries to placate each side; part of the problem is the West trying to tell everyone what to do is seriously offensive to most concerned parties. I think a major shake up of land divisions will unfold over the coming months and years and I think it'll only continue to escalate.


Yes Z.
Its Bloody Bush /Blair
at fault.


I would have left Saddam there

[lostalex]

Yes Z.
Its Bloody Bush /Blair
at fault.


I would have left Saddam there

oh you would would you? so you'd be happy him being your leader? or maybe you think the iraqi people don't deserve better? So you would be happy with Saddam as YOUR leader?

[Z]

I'm not happy with David Cameron being my leader but that's the one I have. I'd be more offended if the USA or France or Germany waded in and got rid of him and installed some new leader of their choosing in his place.

[lostalex]

I'm not happy with David Cameron being my leader but that's the one I have. I'd be more offended if the USA or France or Germany waded in and got rid of him and installed some new leader of their choosing in his place.

well you're british, you have too much pride for your own good. Americans were happy to let France help us defeat our leader king george in our revolutionary war though. and most Germans are happy that America helped defeat Hitler and let them get a new leader.

[Nedusa]

I can recognize a russian shill from a mile away!

I will never admit to being a Russian shill......

Vsyak sverchok znai svoy shestok !!! :pipe::pipe:







.

[lostalex]

I will never admit to being a Russian shill......

Vsyak sverchok znai svoy shestok !!! :pipe::pipe:


translation> dumb american, i smoke your ancestors in my pipe

:o

[Nedusa]

translation> dumb american, i smoke your ancestors in my pipe

:o

Your translation.........not mine :joker:

[arista]

How Ironic

America is considering to a deal with
Assad in Syria to destroy Isis.


Its going to get far worse

[Nedusa]

How Ironic

America is considering to a deal with
Assad in Syria to destroy Isis.


Its going to get far worse

Apparently not only is the enemy of my enemy my friend but also the enemy of my friend is also my friend.

Seems the US can be friends with anybody depending on which way the wind is blowing.





.

[arista]

Apparently not only is the enemy of my enemy my friend but also the enemy of my friend is also my friend.

Seems the US can be friends with anybody depending on which way the wind is blowing.





.


Yes by whatever means America wants to win this Fight.

[arista]

[Islamic State: Arab leaders reluctant
to heed US call for 'allies against Isis'
Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan know dangers
of Isis but tribal ties and fears of
boosting Syria's Assad are prompting caution]



Next week MPs will Debate
and Vote on
if we join America to Air Bomb in Iraq.


I hope the UK Mps Vote stop this USA wish.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/27/islamic-state-isis-us-call-coalition-allies-arab-leaders

[anne666]

Another day another crisis in the Middle East, the west has inadvertently caused this mess by their initial rush to War in Iraq in 2003. In their haste to topple Saddam they had no realistic plan to cope with the aftermath.

Years later and after a very dubious attempt to create a western leaning Iraqi Govt and army we watch in horror as large parts of that army with weapons supplied by the west decide not to go along with the western supported Govt of Maliki preferring instead to join the Isis group. a group so extreme that even Al Queda want nothing to do with them.

Now switch across to Syria another Country the west feels is ready for regime change and our old friend Assad is fighting dissent by his own population. So what does the west do ? It arms all the groups fighting against Assad as they are the enemy of my enemy so they must be my friends....right

Err...No actually they are the same terrorist extremists the west has been fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya they are no friend of the West.

Anyway now in our pretty little picture of Middle Eastern chaos we have large numbers of young Jihadists battle hardened with hatred against the west and their Non Sunni brothers...and armed to the teeth with weapons from Syria and the deserters from the Iraqi army.

So why wouldn't they try and set up their own Caliphate they have plenty of heavy weaponry billions of Dollars of stolen cash and lots of time and money to enjoy their murderous killing spree.

They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.

.

Very good summary! Everyone saying the US and ourselves should not get involved? We are and always have been since early last century, too reliant on the oil rich middle eastern countries. They aren't equipped to attack anyone. They haven'r needed to be. They hold us to ransom because of oil and know we have the military power to take care of them and our own interests. We have no other option than to get involved especially if the IS do what Hussein did and move into Kuwait and anywhere else where they can take their oil power and wealth away from them. They're already doing that in Iraq and it's all part of their mission. Humanitarianism comes second to oil of that I'm very sure.
Saddam Hussein was removed thinking that would rid the oil rich countries and us of our biggest threat.

Obama's miscalculations summarised and I believe there is a responsibility here to act upon.


http://en.ammonnews.net/article.aspx?articleno=26456#.U_9rBDKwJJB

This is a thought provoking article about what when America no longer needs their oil.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2012/12/03/what-happens-when-america-no-longer-needs-middle-east-oil/

This was from 2 years ago and in light of what the IS doing now, it's alarming.

This is a good article and summary "terror and oil" from 2003, during the second Iraq war, the gravest error of judgement in this bloody mess.


http://www.iags.org/n0111041.htm

The middle east has had 1300 years of struggle for control of resources and still is. Now we have a double huge problem very wealthy and barbaric IS determined on world wide genocide and wealth. The IS are armed to the teeth with American weapons

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5982501/the-us-is-now-bombing-its-own-military-equipment-in-iraq

[Livia]

If the west doesn't get involved, then IS could spread unchecked. If we do, we're in it for the long haul. Considering the Conservatives have cut our armed forces to the bone it would be at best ill-advised for the UK to commit to another war with two thirds of the army we had five years ago. IS aren't just slaughtering other faiths, they're slaughtering Muslims too. It needs other Islamic countries to step up to the plate on this one.

[arista]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/are-you-that-dumb-and-ignorant-hannity-gets-in-epic-shouting-match-with-imam/

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/hannity-imam1.png


Video of 10mins shouting match
on above link


[Sean Hannity got into an epic shouting
match Wednesday night
with a London-based imam who believes
in the worldwide implementation of Sharia law.
Hannity repeatedly grilled Anjem Choudary
over whether he believes in a “convert or die”
philosophy. Choudary kept turning the targuing tables
and when Americans bomb and murder and torture,
“obviously this would have repercussions.”]

[lostalex]

I hate when i have to agree with sean hannity. lol

[arista]

The only way to Destroy Isis
is to attack them in Syria first.

Which means they must make a agreement with
Assad of Syria
for this mission.


But the USA President
will not even use the word "War"
he is out of office soon
he should move out now

[arista]

from Ch4NewsHD
Isis now marry people out there
and are making big money from selling Oil.

[arista]

I hate when i have to agree with sean hannity. lol



Yes also I agree with Sean
on this debate only, though.

[anne666]

The only way to Destroy Isis
is to attack them in Syria first.

Which means they must make a agreement with
Assad of Syria
for this mission.


But the USA President
will not even use the word "War"
he is out of office soon
he should move out now

That will never happen IMO.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/syria-crisis-oil-96394.html


Syria’s star as an oil producer has been declining for years. Its oil production peaked in 1990s at about 600,000 barrels of oil per day and fell steadily to less than 400,000 barrels per day by 2011. At that point, it was the world’s 34th largest producer, just behind Vietnam, according to CIA data.
Since the escalation of the Syrian conflict in 2011, production has dropped to about 50,000 barrels per day, with exports dropping to virtually zero from about 150,000 barrels per day before the conflict escalated. Many of the country’s biggest oil-producing sites are in the east, and appear to lie outside Damascus’s control.
The U.S. hasn’t imported any oil from the country since September 2011, when it purchased a modest 641,000 barrels of Syrian oil, just 0.19 percent of the 338 million barrels imported that month, according to data from the Energy Information Administration.
And

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/11/5991173/why-is-obama-bombing-iraq-but-not-syria-here-are-6-reasons


Obama ordered air strikes against ISIS in Iraq focused on the narrow goal of defending Iraq's semi-autonomous Kurdish region. Kurdistan had been mostly secure until ISIS began pushing into the territory about a week ago; it's got a stable, pro-American, oil-producing government. Obama's strikes are meant to help Kurdistan defend itself, and to preserve the status quo of a secure Kurdistan. The strikes are very clearly not about trying to change the larger ISIS war in Iraq, or to help Iraq retake the vast ISIS-held swathes of territory.

ISIS so far are no threat to the oil rich and US invested south only Kurdistan. Plus protecting the Mosul dam. That's all it's about so far and always has been the West's main interest over the last few decades. Either taking oilfields or protecting the status quo. ISIS have minor oilfields in Syria and Iraq which don't interest the US

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/03/business/defterios-oil-isis/

[arista]

"That will never happen IMO."


anne see how wrong you are
last night the President confirmed he will attack
ISIS in Syria.




the UK has confirmed they will
not do attacks in Syria, though
this afternoon


SkyNewsHD
http://news.sky.com/story/1333726/us-threatens-airstrikes-in-syria-to-fight-is


or

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/obama-speech-authorise-air-strikes-against-isis-syria

[arista]

Despite the nations backing America
only America is going to do the attacks
so far.

for example
No one can tell Saudi Arabia
what to do.

[arista]

0ueGRMNVkVo&list=UUHeuoBGZ-zlu0Qe_-GEly7g


2 Austrian Girls
now joined Isis
photos at the end of the 2mins clip
just broadcast today.

[arista]

U.S. launches new phase of mission to 'destroy' ISIS with offensive airstrike to protect Iraqi forces near Baghdad

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2757139/First-US-strike-expanded-Iraq-fight.html#ixzz3DWJ0Mprx

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/16/1410827818315_wps_9_Civilians_inspect_a_burne.jpg
Civilians inspect a burned house after a bombing in Fallujah, 40 miles west of Baghdad on Monday

[arista]

First French Airstrikes On IS 'Kill Dozens'

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/19/336938/default/v2/cegrab-20140919-135620-186-1-522x293.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1338677/first-french-airstrikes-on-is-kill-dozens


I wonder if a French Hostage will appear
ready to be killed?

[MTVN]

Doubt it, the French tend to quietly pay ransoms for their hostages

[arista]

Doubt it, the French tend to quietly pay ransoms for their hostages


Yes so far.


Maybe they will attack in France?

[arista]

Now America has Bombed in Syria
attacking Isis.
Of Course nothing much has changed
until we see Isis stopping expanding.

In America on all News
they debate boots on the ground
but not USA boots.

[lostalex]

If they had just followed my advice after 9/11, this could have all been avoided. on september 11th 2001 i said we should have just dropped all of our nuclear weapons on the entire middle east.

There would not be these problems now if they had taken my advice.

[arista]

If they had just followed my advice after 9/11, this could have all been avoided. on september 11th 2001 i said we should have just dropped all of our nuclear weapons on the entire middle east.

There would not be these problems now if they had taken my advice.


No President wants to Nuke
as all near nations then attack USA

[Kizzy]

Now America has Bombed in Syria
attacking Isis.
Of Course nothing much has changed
until we see Isis stopping expanding.

In America on all News
they debate boots on the ground
but not USA boots.

It better not be British boots either :( What a mess.

[arista]

It better not be British boots either :( What a mess.



Yes well a Vote is needed
in Parliament
which is closed due to conferences


America did this operation with other Arab Nations helping them

http://news.sky.com/story/1340471/us-and-arab-allies-attack-is-targets-in-syria

[lostalex]

Yes well a Vote is needed
in Parliament
which is closed due to conferences


America did this operation with other Arab Nations helping them

http://news.sky.com/story/1340471/us-and-arab-allies-attack-is-targets-in-syria

and don't forget to mention that the UK created this whole mess by creating stupid borders during colonialism, you know, back when Britain thought that it ruled the world??? idiots.

[arista]

and don't forget to mention that the UK created this whole mess by creating stupid borders during colonialism, you know, back when Britain thought that it ruled the world??? idiots.



No thats to far back.

[arista]

Doubt it, the French tend to quietly pay ransoms for their hostages


They now have a French Hostage
this time Not For Sale
he will stay alive if France stop
Air Bombing Isis.


If they do not agree
the hostage will be killed
like the others

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/22/337444/default/v6/cegrab-20140922-224213-687-1-522x293.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1340339/islamist-group-threatens-french-hostage-in-video

[Ninastar]

Surely it's better to send in troops?? That way they know who they are killing and innocent people won't be killed. This would never have happened of the troops hadn't been taken out anyway. There's still way too many terrorists about, even in our own countries. It's a scary thought. We need to keep troups there for as long as it takes and we need to help build schools to educate the children, who are taught nothing but murder and hate.

[arista]

Surely it's better to send in troops?? That way they know who they are killing and innocent people won't be killed. This would never have happened of the troops hadn't been taken out anyway. There's still way too many terrorists about, even in our own countries. It's a scary thought. We need to keep troups there for as long as it takes and we need to help build schools to educate the children, who are taught nothing but murder and hate.


The Troops will be local
that the plan , so far


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/23/article-2765982-2198921700000578-17_964x417.jpg
USA using Ships and Planes to attack
but yes Ninastar "innocent people " are being killed by this USA attack


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765982/Pentagon-US-partners-begin-airstrikes-Syria.html

[kirklancaster]

I think the people who are actually doing this need to take some responsibility. The Iraqi government need to act and act fast.

The interesting thing to me about the list of laws Gyps quoted and the comments about them going back to the Stone Age... Islam is only just over a thousand years old, a relative newbie in religious terms. I feel terribly sorry for the ordinary people in Iraq, those trying to go about their business, lead their lives, feed their families... Fundamentalists really are the scum of humanity
:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

What the hell was the point of the Iraq war ?

Apart from the death and destruction to people and buildings , the destruction of the country's infrastructure the destruction of their economy and industry and agriculture.

Apart from the millions dead, injured, displaced breakdown of law and order, sectarian violence.

For Al-Qaeda to just march back in and take over........what the hell was the point ??

A covert desire to control oil. Pure and simple.

[kirklancaster]

These are the laws they will impose upon any place that falls under what they call their Caliphate


Women are told they should not go outside unless necessary, because their place is to provide stability at home.
They must wear full, wide Islamic dress
Stealing or looting will result in the amputation of limbs
Criminals can be crucified (this law quotes a verse from the Quran)
Muslims must participate in group prayers at mosques 'on time'
Muslims will be well-treated, unless they are allied with oppressors
Drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes are banned
Rival political or armed groups are also banned
Police and military officers will be given the chance to repent
Apostasy is punishable by death and carrying flags, except those of the Islamic state, is not allowed
Graves and shrines are forbidden, and will be destroyed


source: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/13/isis-iraq-brutality_n_5490910.html

They really are like something out of the dark ages.

They are many more times worse and more dangerous than 'something out of the dark ages'. The world has - sadly - moved on from swords and scimitars, to guns, nuclear warheads and weapons of mass destruction(inevitable, and only a matter of time) whilst the blind hatred and intolerance of that time has intensified.

These fanatics have but one 'goal' and that is to ensure that every single country on this planet becomes Muslim. They will utilise any methods - no matter how barbaric and inhuman - to achieve their goal, and will never stop until they achieve it. They cannot be reasoned with or appeased and we cannot win until we adopt a 'zero tolerance' 'eradicate or be eradicated' policy instead of the 'civilised', 'half-hearted' 'fair play' one we currently employ. You cannot fight by the Marquess of Queensberry Rules when the other guy is wielding a baseball bat.

I often say to my kids that there is more truth in film than text books and for the reason I say that we cannot win, look no further than the film Godfather 2', when Michael Corleone is with Hyman Roth in Havana, Cuba, in late 1958 - the time when communist rebels are trying to overthrow dictator Fulgencio Batista. Michael witnesses a communist rebel kill himself and a Havana policemen by detonating a grenade, then determines that Batista cannot win because the rebels are willing to sacrifice themselves for their 'cause'.

I detest violence and war, and I am aware of the many complexities behind what is occurring now, but I believe that there comes a time when it is totally meaningless to 'selectively' proffer up historical reasons in an attempt to justify the atrocities, and stand firmly on the side of what I believe is the lesser of two evils - the West.

This is not a problem that is going to 'go away' and if we do not fight fire with greater fire, we will lose, and countries will fall to Islam like dominoes, and we will end up living subject to Gypsy Goth's list and far worse.

I am a British born Christian and proud to be both, but before anyone on here lambasts me, let me stress that I am referring specifically to Muslim Fundamentalists, and not ordinary Muslims - who have as much in common with these maniacs as ordinary Irish Roman Catholics had with the I.R.A. Even ordinary Muslims are being terrorised and slaughtered by these terrorists.

I am not racist or intolerant to other religions, but I know that these Muslim Fundamentalists are truly the harbingers of what can only be termed; 'Armageddon'.

This is just my personal opinion and is not meant to cause offence.

[Nedusa]

These are the laws they will impose upon any place that falls under what they call their Caliphate


Women are told they should not go outside unless necessary, because their place is to provide stability at home.
They must wear full, wide Islamic dress
Stealing or looting will result in the amputation of limbs
Criminals can be crucified (this law quotes a verse from the Quran)
Muslims must participate in group prayers at mosques 'on time'
Muslims will be well-treated, unless they are allied with oppressors
Drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes are banned
Rival political or armed groups are also banned
Police and military officers will be given the chance to repent
Apostasy is punishable by death and carrying flags, except those of the Islamic state, is not allowed
Graves and shrines are forbidden, and will be destroyed


source: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/13/isis-iraq-brutality_n_5490910.html

They really are like something out of the dark ages.

Oh and don't forget;

To capture innocent non Muslims and subject them to months of physical and psychological torture, before finally parading them in front of a camera and then brutally and sickeningly use a knife to behead them.

Words fail me when describing these evil sadists. All western weapons should be deployed on this human vermin , nothing should be off limits in eradicating this menace.

We need to fight fire with fire on this one.




.

[kirklancaster]

Oh and don't forget;

To capture innocent non Muslims and subject them to months of physical and psychological torture, before finally parading them in front of a camera and then brutally and sickeningly use a knife to behead them.

Words fail me when describing these evil sadists. All western weapons should be deployed on this human vermin , nothing should be off limits in eradicating this menace.

We need to fight fire with fire on this one.
.
:worship::worship::clap1::clap1:

[arista]

The President
thinks he is clever by getting
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates
to join him with the attacks

But the Big Damage was done by USA Alone
Each Cruise Missile costs £1million pounds each.

http://news.sky.com/story/1340731/obama-this-is-not-americas-fight-alone


Ch4HD News
confirmed that the Isis group are staying in Innocent Family
Homes.

So more Murders by America

[arista]

It better not be British boots either :( What a mess.


Ch4HD News
just confirmed on Friday Parliament is back for a day.



The PM is now in New York
with the UN.


Sadly no public vote

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/23/337653/default/v2/express-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/23/337661/default/v2/indie1-1-329x437.jpg

[arista]

If Labour agree
UK will join the War on Isis with attacks,
debate on Friday in Parliament

[Ninastar]

good. we need to do something

[Toy Soldier]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/23/337653/default/v2/express-1-329x437.jpg


And the Queen purred. For her tiny empire is together and back where it's most comfortable: engaged in endless, pointless warfare.

http://chinesefont.brushes8.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2328.gif

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/24/article-2767283-219BDD5800000578-690_964x521.jpg


USA News has reported that
Isis got advance warning of this attack
so they moved into innocent family homes.


So the bombs can not get them all.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/23/1411493057905_wps_20_Syrians_check_a_damaged_h.jpg
Syria


http://news.sky.com/story/1341064/britain-edges-closer-to-launching-is-airstrikes

[Nedusa]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/24/article-2767283-219BDD5800000578-690_964x521.jpg


USA News has reported that
Isis got advance warning of this attack
so they moved into innocent family homes.


So the bombs can not get them.


I don't think ISIS or ISIL or IS whatever they are called will be safe in family homes, the stakes are so high now that a few innocent families killed as "collateral" damage will make no real difference to the US or it's Arab allies.

I think the main focus will be just to bomb and then bomb some more until every last one of those mother****ers is blown to smithereens.




.

[arista]

Yes but Murdering Family homes
is wrong.
That went on in Iraq
when USA Carpet bombed parts
and look at it now

[kirklancaster]

So America is now the World Police
and yesterdays bombs just hit a load of armed trucks
did not kill many ISIS troops

America is are far from a perfect country - none are - but I, for one, can identify more closely with them than the Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists, and I truly thank God for them, because we would have been well and truly ********d without them over the past 70 years or so.

This is my own personal opinion, but if I was boarding a plane with a group of Americans or Rabbis, I would think nothing of it. If I were boarding a plane with a load of Abu Hamza clones, I would not breathe easy until I had landed and disembarked.

[kirklancaster]

good. we need to do something

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[arista]

America is are far from a perfect country - none are - but I, for one, can identify more closely with them than the Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists, and I truly thank God for them, because we would have been well and truly ********d without them over the past 70 years or so.

This is my own personal opinion, but if I was boarding a plane with a group of Americans or Rabbis, I would think nothing of it. If I were boarding a plane with a load of Abu Hamza clones, I would not breathe easy until I had landed and disembarked.


Of Course
most nations do not agree with that bunch.
But GW Bush/Blair
were Corrupt as Hell.



America Can Feck The World Up
then leave it in a mess
They are bad news

[the truth]

America is are far from a perfect country - none are - but I, for one, can identify more closely with them than the Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists, and I truly thank God for them, because we would have been well and truly ********d without them over the past 70 years or so.

This is my own personal opinion, but if I was boarding a plane with a group of Americans or Rabbis, I would think nothing of it. If I were boarding a plane with a load of Abu Hamza clones, I would not breathe easy until I had landed and disembarked.

dont forget the israelis too....theyre as guilty as hell

[Brother Leon]

Oh and don't forget;

To capture innocent non Muslims and subject them to months of physical and psychological torture, before finally parading them in front of a camera and then brutally and sickeningly use a knife to behead them.

Words fail me when describing these evil sadists. All western weapons should be deployed on this human vermin , nothing should be off limits in eradicating this menace.

We need to fight fire with fire on this one.




.

They done that to Muslims too. Before all of the western beheadings. They're just a group of blood thirsty animals.

[arista]

Confirmed by the PM in NYC
Parliament is recalled on Friday.
He wants to Bomb Isis in Iraq


ref: SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Doubt it, the French tend to quietly pay ransoms for their hostages



MTVN
sad news that French Hostage has had
his head cut off


Ref: France24 News , FoxNewsHD, CNN

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

MTVN
sad news that French Hostage has had
his head cut off


Ref: France24 News , FoxNewsHD, CNN

:bawling::bawling:

[lostalex]

Isis are just as bad as the Nazis. Their attitude towards gays(kill them all) non-muslims(all other religions and atheists should all be killed) and women (all women should be slaves to their husbands) is just as evil as anything the Nazis ever tried to accomplish.

It is a noble cause to destroy them. I hope we have the guts to be as ruthless as is necessary to kill them all.

[Ninastar]

Just seen they have Germans too???

Why don't all the nations unite together and ****ing blast these people from the world?

[Kizzy]

It does seem to be a direct challenge to the entire west, the world has never been more conflicted :(

[arista]

It does seem to be a direct challenge to the entire west, the world has never been more conflicted :(


Yes and the Vote Tomorrow (Parliament)
looks like to go ahead
for air attacks on Isil in Iraq


With Air Force attacks
possible Friday night.


How many innocents will die , though?

[joeysteele]

Isis are just as bad as the Nazis. Their attitude towards gays(kill them all) non-muslims(all other religions and atheists should all be killed) and women (all women should be slaves to their husbands) is just as evil as anything the Nazis ever tried to accomplish.

It is a noble cause to destroy them. I hope we have the guts to be as ruthless as is necessary to kill them all.

A couple of years ago I would likely have not agreed with all what you list above but now I do.

These are just awful creatures that are not fit to exist,I am no warmonger and I hate violence of any kind, I prefer to try to reason and open dialogue with anyone, friend or foe if possible.
However,there is no way to reason with the likes of these awful beings, as you say and I agree too, 'be as ruthless as necessary to kill them'.

The only time these creatures are defeated is when there are none of them left on the Earth, anywhere.

[Novo]

Obama needs to fight Isis With Assad if they want to eliminate them from Syria, it will makes things so much easier and tensions with Russia would die down, ISIS are a much bigger threat then Assad and always have been.. a certain man was right about that since the conflict begun, common sense needs to prevail

[Ninastar]

Yes and the Vote Tomorrow (Parliament)
looks like to go ahead
for air attacks on Isil in Iraq


With Air Force attacks
possible Friday night.


How many innocents will die , though?

there will be tons of innocent people that die. But innocent people are being slaughtered by these animals every day. i dont really agree with the bombing... i think there would be less innocent people killed if the troops went back out and killed them all by hand/gun/w.e

but that's probably a whole nother debate on its own. I dont like the idea of the bombings, but its better than nothing and at least it proves that we're not taking their little 'agreements'

[Pete.]

FBI have identified Jihadi John

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByYPSilIIAEExW0.png:large

[Ninastar]

jesus christ

[Kizzy]

Nice helmet... #goodolBritishhumour

[lostalex]

Nice helmet... #goodolBritishhumour

dick jokes aren't uniquely british, I'm pretty sure that's universal. 5th graders in every country love them.

[arista]

The PM is live in Parliament now
on TV news.


Setting up the vote
which looks like going ahead as
a yes

[Kizzy]

dick jokes aren't uniquely british, I'm pretty sure that's universal. 5th graders in every country love them.

Just for that I'm not telling you where I think he's hidden his lunchbox.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/26/338257/default/v1/cegrab-20140926-105435-0-1-626x352.jpg
Unity
all agree to Air Bomb Isil in Iraq



http://news.sky.com/story/1342537/iraq-airstrikes-mps-start-debating-is-raids

[Z]

It's Iraq 2003 all over again. I wish we'd stop meddling abroad, we're as much the cause of the problem as we are the """"cure"""" for it, in my opinion. Ugh. It's a mess, the whole region.

[MTVN]

I'm not convinced we know what we're getting ourselves in for, and I'm not convinced that air strikes will really have any major impact apart from committing us to the conflict for years, we shouldn't think that IS can be bombed out of existance

We're told this will be different to 2003 but it's hard to forget that every Western military intervention since the turn of the century has resulted in chaos. Libya is the most recent example.

[Z]

I'm not convinced we know what we're getting ourselves in for, and I'm not convinced that air strikes will really have any major impact apart from committing us to the conflict for years, we shouldn't think that IS can be bombed out of existance

We're told this will be different to 2003 but it's hard to forget that every Western military intervention since the turn of the century has resulted in chaos. Libya is the most recent example.

Exactly. No army can stop an idea.

[arista]

524 voted for the War
just 43 said no

Off we go to Air Bombing


http://news.sky.com/story/1342811/mps-vote-yes-to-uk-airstrikes-in-iraq

[Kizzy]

Called it...

[arista]

Yes Gulf War 3


And "Possible"
Isil backed bombs going off in London
or Manchester or Glasgow

[arista]

I'm not convinced we know what we're getting ourselves in for, and I'm not convinced that air strikes will really have any major impact apart from committing us to the conflict for years, we shouldn't think that IS can be bombed out of existance

We're told this will be different to 2003 but it's hard to forget that every Western military intervention since the turn of the century has resulted in chaos. Libya is the most recent example.



Yes but this is a 5 or 10 year mission
No USA or UK fighting troops on the ground "new rules."


So other local nations will start a force up
of killers that will try to kill all Isil.




Libya was a Rush Job
nothing like this



Its not likely
that Isil can shoot down any Air Force planes
yet

[kirklancaster]

and they are all doing it in the name of their particular made up deity

perhaps if we could teach them there are no gods instead of bombing them they all might evolve quicker

This has absolutely nothing to do with God - no matter who or what you perceive him to be. This is exclusively about evil men.

From the dawn of mankind, humans have killed and maimed each other. It is in man to do so instinctively. Man is the only beast on Earth who slaughters for fun and sport, and derives pleasure from barbaric cruelty.

Nothing changes with - so called -'evolution', only the manner of killing. Flint axes became wooden clubs, became swords, became guns, became nuclear warheads.

We all have good and evil within us and a quality called 'free will', and the majority of Christians or Muslims or Jews would not willingly commit the barbaric atrocities which these evil fundamentalist terrorists so readily delight in perpetrating under the pretence of a 'Holy War. Whilst these bastards are waging their phoney war in the name of Allah, hundreds of thousands of ordinary, civilised Muslims are knelt in mosques all over the world praying for an end to the atrocities.

It was much the same with the vast majority of ordinary Roman Catholics during the decades of atrocities and cowardly indiscriminate bombings committed by the IRA - supposedly - in the name of God.

God has nothing to do with it, and it is not a Holy War. It is a war waged by purely evil madmen who instinctively have the urge to murder, and the desire to inflict pain and suffering. These are monsters who have been provided an excuse by the West which they believe justifies their 'war' and vindicates their acts of abhorrent inhumanity to fellow man.

Evil men gravitate to other evil men and to evil causes. Do not blame God. It is man - the human beast - not God.

The billions in God's 'armies' are harmless, decent, civilised human beings who can be found knelt worshipping in Churches, Chapels, Mosques and Synagogues, not killing, maiming and beheading innocent people.

When this thin veneer of 'civilisation' has eroded, or when man is beyond the the fragile framework of laws which confine him, the majority of us remain 'human'. There are things we still would not do, even were there no longer any laws to prevent us doing them.

Yet, there are men who have done the most inhuman and bestial of acts to other humans just because they could; The ordinary Roman soldier in Judea, once 'ordinary' German men who became Nazis, once 'ordinary' Romanians who served under Ceausescu, the list is endless, and these men seized their opportunity to do what they did, because they were intrinsically and instinctively evil. Despite Lord Acton's adage that “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely etc", a man has to be evil to commit the acts of evil we are addressing here.

Like the secret paedophiles who secure employment in childrens' homes, or the lesbians who become officers in womens' prisons, evil men huddle under the banner which will best afford them the opportunity to satisfy their bestial desires.

They do not need 'educating that their is no God'. This war is not about God, and what is more; they do not believe in God - if they did, then no amount of 'conditioning' could turn them into the depraved hate-filled butchers they are.

Further; what is your view on the thousands of senseless wars which were not fought in 'God's name'?

And it is not just in wars where the 'evil that men do' is occurring with sickening regularity.

Imagine you are looking through a special 35mm film camera; you start 'Medium Close' in one of those little boxes we call houses; watch as the drunken husband drags his screaming wife around by her hair, punches her in the head, kicks her in the stomach. 'Cut' to that little bungalow - there in the bedroom, where that 'burglar' is beating the 85 year old retired midwife black and blue having already robbed her of the few possessions which she had. This beating is just for fun - a kind of perk of the job, 'Pull Back' to the street outside a Nightclub; there; where the two yobs are kicking the 17 year old students head in. 'Cut' to that dark alleyway as the two hooded thugs are beating the innocent 58 year old Church organist to death with baseball bats. Get the idea? All evil, senseless and sickening, and not one of God's banners in sight.

I am neither deluded, brain-washed nor crazy, but I believe in God. I believe in God because of something which I experienced - something which changed me and my life. Despite my 'epiphany', I do not, however, believe in the Church. The Church - like Government and Local Government, the Judiciary, and every other institution in this world - is run by man. Man - with all his frailties and flaws, his corruption and prejudices, and hypocrisy.

I think that you mistake Man's doing for God's.

Incidentally, I believe that it takes a greater 'Leap of Faith' not to believe in God than to believe in him. :wavey:

[JoshBB]

Oh for gods sake. I've lost so much respect for lib/lab/con. 524-43 (83% ayes) is ridiculous.

[arista]

Oh for gods sake. I've lost so much respect for lib/lab/con. 524-43 (83% ayes) is ridiculous.


Its Terrorists that Cut Heads off - then posts them online
Josh


You want them to carry on Killing
British Workers?

And murdering all that do not join them in the Middle East


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/26/article-2770534-21AEBD2800000578-538_964x403.jpg

[joeysteele]

Not usually me this at all as to any vote as to further conflict for UK armed forces.

However I applaud all the Party leaders for coming together on this one and carrying in the main their MPs with them too.

Sadly,it is something that will likely escalate and we will probably get involved in other areas too than just Iraq, however for me, any action that will clear these 'things' off the face of the Earth for good is now fine by me I am afraid.

Really impressive and good opening speech on the matter from the PM David Cameron, he laid it all out really well and effectively, a superb responding speech from Ed Miliband too, raising really good points as to the conditions this action will be taken and also to be fair, a really good closing speech from Nick Clegg too, which summed up things near perfectly.

Not for the issue as to going into conflict somewhere again but how refreshing and mature it was to watch this whole debate, from all the Parties near all the time all through the debate, working together in a common aim.

This action by the Govt and now Parliament too has my total support.

[Ninastar]

Oh for gods sake. I've lost so much respect for lib/lab/con. 524-43 (83% ayes) is ridiculous.

so you think we should sit back and do nothing, while innocent people are being beheaded, women are raped and children are tortured and taught to kill? what do you think we should do?

[arista]

[Bombing against Isis to start in hours as MPs back new Iraq war
Conflict meets little Commons resistance, as prime minister David Cameron claims ‘this will not be shock and awe’]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/26/isis-iraq-uk-air-strikes-commons-vote-david-cameron

[Ninastar]

Not usually me this at all as to any vote as to further conflict for UK armed forces.

However I applaud all the Party leaders for coming together on this one and carrying in the main their MPs with them too.

Sadly,it is something that will likely escalate and we will probably get involved in other areas too than just Iraq, however for me, any action that will clear these 'things' off the face of the Earth for good is now fine by me I am afraid.

Really impressive and good opening speech on the matter from the PM David Cameron, he laid it all out really well and effectively, a superb responding speech from Ed Miliband too, raising really good points as to the conditions this action will be taken and also to be fair, a really good closing speech from Nick Clegg too, which summed up things near perfectly.

Not for the issue as to going into conflict somewhere again but how refreshing and mature it was to watch this whole debate, from all the Parties near all the time all through the debate, working together in a common aim.

This action by the Govt and now Parliament too has my total support.

beautiful post...

hopefully this is the last time for a long time, that we have to deal with people like this. lets just hope these air strikes do their job.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/26/338413/default/v1/teleg-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/26/338410/default/v5/star-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/26/338411/default/v3/express-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/26/338419/default/v2/big-indy-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/26/338408/default/v5/indy-front-1-329x437.jpg

[MTVN]

Good article in the Independent yesterday about how complicated a situation it is, goes into a lot more detail than what I've copied but it's good at detailing why we should be cautious with our air strikes: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/on-the-eve-of-yet-another-war-in-iraq-is-the-uks-strategy-any-more-coherent-than-in-2003-9756567.html

It is important to stress that there is little sign that US air strikes in Iraq, which Britain is planning to supplement, will be able to turn the tide against Isis. There have been 194 US air strikes in Iraq since 8 August but the militants are still advancing six weeks after the first bombs and missiles exploded.

...

Many Sunni in Mosul and Raqqa, Isis’s Syrian capital, do not like Isis. They are alienated by its violence and primaeval social norms such as treating women as chattels. But they are even more frightened of resurgent Iraqi or Syrian armies accompanied by murderous pro-government militias subduing their areas with the assistance of allied air strikes. The Sunni will have no option but to fight or flee.

...

In fact, the belief system of Isis is little different from Wahhabism, the variant of Islam prevalent in Saudi Arabia. Supported by Saudi wealth, Wahhabism has gained an ever-increasing influence over mainstream Sunni Islam in the last 50 years. Politicians like Mr Cameron are much happier condemning school governors in Birmingham for religious extremism than they are complaining to the Saudi ambassador in London about the virulent sectarianism of Saudi school books.

The US and British alliance with Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain and Jordan – all Sunni monarchies – creates other problems. It is hypocritical for Mr Cameron to pretend that US and UK intervention are in support of democratic, accountable and inclusive governments when he is in a coalition with the last theocratic absolute monarchies on earth

[billy123]

There is a fair bit of evidence to suggest that the entire uprising against Assad was deliberately caused by agitators paid for/sent by the west in the first place

The result being a bunch of militants ending up with with more weapons than they could ever use paid for and supplied by western leaders. They knew it wouldnt end at the borders of Syria. They knew they were Arming a group of people that wouldnt stop at attacking Assad so now they are sweeping into Iraq while Obama and cameron sit at their desks waiting for the public outcry to send forces to Iraq to chase them out.

Western Forces will intervene and Force them to retreat back into Syria where the west will launch Airstrikes in Syria just like they wanted in the first place.

If I was Iran i would be pretty worried about now as they are most likely the next target once an angle can be found to justify attacking them as well it will happen and that will be the entire middle east in chaos/ruins with the exception of the Americans beloved Israel and Saudi Arabia.

The whole thing is a sickening charade.
The Arms trade is the biggest money machine going.
Selling things that murder people is the biggest money earner available to the point that the worlds economy relies on it.
The barefaced lies that our leaders tell us just to keep the war machine rolling makes me sick to the stomach.
-------
Well thats todays rant done.Posted on the 22nd of June.
Such a predictable and intended sequence of events that it is embarrassing to watch the much awaited public outcry. Why were people not bothered when militants were armed by the west :conf: These are the same people that now have a catchy name in the media ISIS,IS or whatever your preferred media outlet is branding them as at the moment.

Its like feeding time at the Muppet sanctuary watching these reasons for war being created.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

I agree that ISIS (I hate even given them capital letters) should be bombed into oblivion - they are evil personified and everybody agrees on that. But should we be getting soooo involved? Yes, to a point, to stop this animals from growing (although I dare say there are other vile groups ready to take their place) and No because there is that fear of another 7/7 here in UK. What I really really fail to understand is why the very rich countries like UAE, Saudia Aribia, Jordon, Oman, Kuwait etc are not doing the bombings and eradicating the evil amongst them. Saudi Arabia has 700 jet fighters (many bought from western countries) and we have six on the island of Cyprus. I am sure I have heard it said somewhere that the third world war will start in the middle east and it does seem as if the foundations have already started. God help us all, even more so God help all those innocent men, women and children (including frail and old) who have become refugees, Where does it all end? or does it end?

[arista]

Of course Turkey is part of Nato
but as a Muslim nation they do not want to fight
they have to many people
dumped in their nation
avoiding Isil.

[Northern Monkey]

Imo,We have to do something in order to not look weak,There are British hostages over there,The US are already taking action,Britain is looking weaker on the world stage as it is with all our defence cuts.We can't sit back and give out the impression that it's ok to capture our citizens and behead them,Not forgetting the fact that a proportion of these IS terrorists are British citizens,We have a duty to atleast in part clear up this mess.

[Brother Leon]

Posted on the 22nd of June.
Such a predictable and intended sequence of events that it is embarrassing to watch the much awaited public outcry. Why were people not bothered when militants were armed by the west :conf: These are the same people that now have a catchy name in the media ISIS,IS or whatever your preferred media outlet is branding them as at the moment.

Its like feeding time at the Muppet sanctuary watching these reasons for war being created.

Preach. :worship:


It took them targeting the western world for all of a sudden the issue to become a problem. It didn't matter what they were doing before hand as they were just doing the dirty work for The UK and US.

[arista]

Imo,We have to do something in order to not look weak,There are British hostages over there,The US are already taking action,Britain is looking weaker on the world stage as it is with all our defence cuts.We can't sit back and give out the impression that it's ok to capture our citizens and behead them,Not forgetting the fact that a proportion of these IS terrorists are British citizens,We have a duty to atleast in part clear up this mess.

Yes we have 6 planes
with small bombs
so we are not killing more innocents.


Like the USA Air Force do

[arista]

So far Our Jets have not attacked
anything
just burning fuel.

The Iraq PMs
General is directing any attacks
to stop innocents getting murdered.


Some Iraqi Troops were killed
in error
not by the UK.

[arista]

['They said it could never happen and now it almost has': ISIS militants fighting Iraqi government
forces 'just one mile from Baghdad' despite Western airstrikes against the terror group

Fierce clashes between jihadists and government forces near Iraqi capital
Militants understood to be attempting to enter and seize control of Baghdad
Reports of militants' proximity to Baghdad came from Canon Andrew White
He is vicar of the city's St George's Church - Iraq's only Anglican church
News comes despite ongoing Western airstrikes against ISIS targets in Iraq]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773268/ISIS-militants-fighting-Iraqi-government-forces-just-six-miles-Baghdad-despite-Western-airstrikes-against-terror-group.html#ixzz3EhG2LAFM

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/29/1412024328705_wps_1_John_Cantile_Lend_me_Your.jpg

[British hostage John Cantlie forced to criticise Obama's
'disappointingly predictable' strategy on ISIS and warns
Western weapons will end up in jihadists' hands in shocking video

British ISIS hostage John Cantlie has appeared in new video shot by group
Propaganda footage shows him criticising Obama's military strategy
Criticises Iraqi army and says Free Syrian Army are corrupt and ineffective ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2774174/BREAKING-NEWS-New-video-released-British-hostage-John-Cantlie-talks-Obama-s-disappointingly-predictable-strategy-Isis.html#ixzz3EoOl1nhD

[arista]

The RAF
has dropped some bombs on targets for the first time
in this Gulf War 3

[Livia]

The RAF
has dropped some bombs on targets for the first time
in this Gulf War 3

Yeah, Gulf War 3. Except we only have a few fighter jets involved. And absolutely no ground troops. So actually... nothing like Gulf War 3. The only people who are calling this operation by that name are newspapers bent on sensationalising a sensitive operation..... and you, arista.

[Novo]

Its all kicking off now, Gulf War 3 has truly begun

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/30/339221/default/v2/mnt-official-20140930-111-396-1-626x352.jpg


They destroyed Armed trucks

[Nedusa]

This has absolutely nothing to do with God - no matter who or what you perceive him to be. This is exclusively about evil men.

From the dawn of mankind, humans have killed and maimed each other. It is in man to do so instinctively. Man is the only beast on Earth who slaughters for fun and sport, and derives pleasure from barbaric cruelty.

Nothing changes with - so called -'evolution', only the manner of killing. Flint axes became wooden clubs, became swords, became guns, became nuclear warheads.

We all have good and evil within us and a quality called 'free will', and the majority of Christians or Muslims or Jews would not willingly commit the barbaric atrocities which these evil fundamentalist terrorists so readily delight in perpetrating under the pretence of a 'Holy War. Whilst these bastards are waging their phoney war in the name of Allah, hundreds of thousands of ordinary, civilised Muslims are knelt in mosques all over the world praying for an end to the atrocities.

It was much the same with the vast majority of ordinary Roman Catholics during the decades of atrocities and cowardly indiscriminate bombings committed by the IRA - supposedly - in the name of God.

God has nothing to do with it, and it is not a Holy War. It is a war waged by purely evil madmen who instinctively have the urge to murder, and the desire to inflict pain and suffering. These are monsters who have been provided an excuse by the West which they believe justifies their 'war' and vindicates their acts of abhorrent inhumanity to fellow man.

Evil men gravitate to other evil men and to evil causes. Do not blame God. It is man - the human beast - not God.

The billions in God's 'armies' are harmless, decent, civilised human beings who can be found knelt worshipping in Churches, Chapels, Mosques and Synagogues, not killing, maiming and beheading innocent people.

When this thin veneer of 'civilisation' has eroded, or when man is beyond the the fragile framework of laws which confine him, the majority of us remain 'human'. There are things we still would not do, even were there no longer any laws to prevent us doing them.

Yet, there are men who have done the most inhuman and bestial of acts to other humans just because they could; The ordinary Roman soldier in Judea, once 'ordinary' German men who became Nazis, once 'ordinary' Romanians who served under Ceausescu, the list is endless, and these men seized their opportunity to do what they did, because they were intrinsically and instinctively evil. Despite Lord Acton's adage that “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely etc", a man has to be evil to commit the acts of evil we are addressing here.

Like the secret paedophiles who secure employment in childrens' homes, or the lesbians who become officers in womens' prisons, evil men huddle under the banner which will best afford them the opportunity to satisfy their bestial desires.

They do not need 'educating that their is no God'. This war is not about God, and what is more; they do not believe in God - if they did, then no amount of 'conditioning' could turn them into the depraved hate-filled butchers they are.

Further; what is your view on the thousands of senseless wars which were not fought in 'God's name'?

And it is not just in wars where the 'evil that men do' is occurring with sickening regularity.

Imagine you are looking through a special 35mm film camera; you start 'Medium Close' in one of those little boxes we call houses; watch as the drunken husband drags his screaming wife around by her hair, punches her in the head, kicks her in the stomach. 'Cut' to that little bungalow - there in the bedroom, where that 'burglar' is beating the 85 year old retired midwife black and blue having already robbed her of the few possessions which she had. This beating is just for fun - a kind of perk of the job, 'Pull Back' to the street outside a Nightclub; there; where the two yobs are kicking the 17 year old students head in. 'Cut' to that dark alleyway as the two hooded thugs are beating the innocent 58 year old Church organist to death with baseball bats. Get the idea? All evil, senseless and sickening, and not one of God's banners in sight.

I am neither deluded, brain-washed nor crazy, but I believe in God. I believe in God because of something which I experienced - something which changed me and my life. Despite my 'epiphany', I do not, however, believe in the Church. The Church - like Government and Local Government, the Judiciary, and every other institution in this world - is run by man. Man - with all his frailties and flaws, his corruption and prejudices, and hypocrisy.

I think that you mistake Man's doing for God's.

Incidentally, I believe that it takes a greater 'Leap of Faith' not to believe in God than to believe in him. :wavey:

Thank You.......Kirklancaster

I have been trying to say this for ages on these forums, but you have penned a good post that gets the point across.:clap1::clap1:





.

[arista]

Sad news the Isil Evil

have killed the British Hostage

http://news.sky.com/story/1347130/video-purports-to-show-alan-henning-beheading

[AnnieK]

Devastated about this news. Alan is from near me.....makes it so real. This was an aid worker who was there to help the people if Syria. ...

RIP Alan. Thoughts with his family.

[joeysteele]

Sickening absolutely sickening, I really detest these creatures who are doing this,miserable,evil,barbaric cowards.

[Ninastar]

Devastated about this news. Alan is from near me.....makes it so real. This was an aid worker who was there to help the people if Syria. ...

RIP Alan. Thoughts with his family.

this is what pisses me off more than ANYTHING

He went over there risking his LIFE to help others and now he's been killed in the most horrific way imaginable.

these people need ****ing slaughtered. i dont care if people think it makes me a monster, but they literally need wiping from existence. even if it takes 50 years, we must finish them off. there is no other way.

it actually makes me cry hearing this happening every time. its so ****ing sad. his poor family, their pain must be unimaginable right now.

[Kazanne]

This has absolutely nothing to do with God - no matter who or what you perceive him to be. This is exclusively about evil men.

From the dawn of mankind, humans have killed and maimed each other. It is in man to do so instinctively. Man is the only beast on Earth who slaughters for fun and sport, and derives pleasure from barbaric cruelty.

Nothing changes with - so called -'evolution', only the manner of killing. Flint axes became wooden clubs, became swords, became guns, became nuclear warheads.

We all have good and evil within us and a quality called 'free will', and the majority of Christians or Muslims or Jews would not willingly commit the barbaric atrocities which these evil fundamentalist terrorists so readily delight in perpetrating under the pretence of a 'Holy War. Whilst these bastards are waging their phoney war in the name of Allah, hundreds of thousands of ordinary, civilised Muslims are knelt in mosques all over the world praying for an end to the atrocities.

It was much the same with the vast majority of ordinary Roman Catholics during the decades of atrocities and cowardly indiscriminate bombings committed by the IRA - supposedly - in the name of God.

God has nothing to do with it, and it is not a Holy War. It is a war waged by purely evil madmen who instinctively have the urge to murder, and the desire to inflict pain and suffering. These are monsters who have been provided an excuse by the West which they believe justifies their 'war' and vindicates their acts of abhorrent inhumanity to fellow man.

Evil men gravitate to other evil men and to evil causes. Do not blame God. It is man - the human beast - not God.

The billions in God's 'armies' are harmless, decent, civilised human beings who can be found knelt worshipping in Churches, Chapels, Mosques and Synagogues, not killing, maiming and beheading innocent people.

When this thin veneer of 'civilisation' has eroded, or when man is beyond the the fragile framework of laws which confine him, the majority of us remain 'human'. There are things we still would not do, even were there no longer any laws to prevent us doing them.

Yet, there are men who have done the most inhuman and bestial of acts to other humans just because they could; The ordinary Roman soldier in Judea, once 'ordinary' German men who became Nazis, once 'ordinary' Romanians who served under Ceausescu, the list is endless, and these men seized their opportunity to do what they did, because they were intrinsically and instinctively evil. Despite Lord Acton's adage that “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely etc", a man has to be evil to commit the acts of evil we are addressing here.

Like the secret paedophiles who secure employment in childrens' homes, or the lesbians who become officers in womens' prisons, evil men huddle under the banner which will best afford them the opportunity to satisfy their bestial desires.

They do not need 'educating that their is no God'. This war is not about God, and what is more; they do not believe in God - if they did, then no amount of 'conditioning' could turn them into the depraved hate-filled butchers they are.

Further; what is your view on the thousands of senseless wars which were not fought in 'God's name'?

And it is not just in wars where the 'evil that men do' is occurring with sickening regularity.

Imagine you are looking through a special 35mm film camera; you start 'Medium Close' in one of those little boxes we call houses; watch as the drunken husband drags his screaming wife around by her hair, punches her in the head, kicks her in the stomach. 'Cut' to that little bungalow - there in the bedroom, where that 'burglar' is beating the 85 year old retired midwife black and blue having already robbed her of the few possessions which she had. This beating is just for fun - a kind of perk of the job, 'Pull Back' to the street outside a Nightclub; there; where the two yobs are kicking the 17 year old students head in. 'Cut' to that dark alleyway as the two hooded thugs are beating the innocent 58 year old Church organist to death with baseball bats. Get the idea? All evil, senseless and sickening, and not one of God's banners in sight.

I am neither deluded, brain-washed nor crazy, but I believe in God. I believe in God because of something which I experienced - something which changed me and my life. Despite my 'epiphany', I do not, however, believe in the Church. The Church - like Government and Local Government, the Judiciary, and every other institution in this world - is run by man. Man - with all his frailties and flaws, his corruption and prejudices, and hypocrisy.

I think that you mistake Man's doing for God's.

Incidentally, I believe that it takes a greater 'Leap of Faith' not to believe in God than to believe in him. :wavey:

What a fantastic post,when will people realise it is MAN who is evil,he was given free will and just look what he does with it,it IS nothing to do with God,just man killing man and blaming it on something else,humans are the most dangerous beings on the planet.

[Brother Leon]

Even the most radical of Islamic leaders telling them that killing him would be haram didnt stop them. So sad.


Another creation by Western funds that has spiralled out of control.

[arista]

IS Threatens To Kill American Hostage Next

http://news.sky.com/story/1347162/is-threatens-to-kill-american-hostage-next

[Cal.]

They need to kill every last one of the ISIS people.

[Sticks]

Well the blood Henning is on the hands of all those MP's who voted to bomb Isis

By voting for military action they effectively voted to have him beheaded

He was executed because parliament voted to bomb Isis, plain and simple. You need to ask your MP if they voted to bomb, and if so demand they resign for contributing to the execution of Henning as his blood is on their hands.

We should not be bombing them as bombing is encouraging faithful Muslims to go off and join them and fight alongside their Muslim brothers against the Americans and the British in this war on Islam, remember that 14 year old girl who has run away to become a Jihadist wife? She has been inspired by this bombing of Muslims.

We must recognise ISIS as a legitimate state and talk to them, just like we talked to the IRA and other terrorist organisations.

According to one expert on BBC Radio 4's today programme, this is what we will ultimately have to do.

[GiRTh]

Well the blood Henning is on the hands of all those MP's who voted to bomb Isis

By voting for military action they effectively voted to have him beheaded

He was executed because parliament voted to bomb Isis, plain and simple. You need to ask your MP if they voted to bomb, and if so demand they resign for contributing to the execution of Henning as his blood is on their hands.

We should not be bombing them as bombing is encouraging faithful Muslims to go off and join them and fight alongside their Muslim brothers against the Americans and the British in this war on Islam, remember that 14 year old girl who has run away to become a Jihadist wife? She has been inspired by this bombing of Muslims.

We must recognise ISIS as a legitimate state and talk to them, just like we talked to the IRA and other terrorist organisations.

According to one expert on BBC Radio 4's today programme, this is what we will ultimately have to do.This. We are playing right into their hands./ Without any threat of an attack on this country they have us at war costing the tax payers millions.

[kirklancaster]

Well the blood Henning is on the hands of all those MP's who voted to bomb Isis

By voting for military action they effectively voted to have him beheaded

He was executed because parliament voted to bomb Isis, plain and simple. You need to ask your MP if they voted to bomb, and if so demand they resign for contributing to the execution of Henning as his blood is on their hands.

We should not be bombing them as bombing is encouraging faithful Muslims to go off and join them and fight alongside their Muslim brothers against the Americans and the British in this war on Islam, remember that 14 year old girl who has run away to become a Jihadist wife? She has been inspired by this bombing of Muslims.

We must recognise ISIS as a legitimate state and talk to them, just like we talked to the IRA and other terrorist organisations.

According to one expert on BBC Radio 4's today programme, this is what we will ultimately have to do.

Please tell me Sticks that you're not serious?:

"Well the blood Henning is on the hands of all those MP's who voted to bomb Isis

By voting for military action they effectively voted to have him beheaded

He was executed because parliament voted to bomb Isis, plain and simple."

War is war. The vile beheading of a bound, decent, innocent, non-combatant by evil cowards has nothing to do with war and should never be proffered as a legitimate consequence of war.

This poor man's innocent blood is on the hands of the cowards who abducted him in numbers and at gunpoint, and especially on the hands of the cowardly bastard who beheaded him.

"We should not be bombing them as bombing is encouraging faithful Muslims to go off and join them and fight alongside their Muslim brothers against the Americans and the British in this war on Islam, remember that 14 year old girl who has run away to become a Jihadist wife? She has been inspired by this bombing of Muslims."

'Faithfull Muslims', 'Muslim Brothers', 'War on Islam' and 'Inspired' - You are using subliminally emotive words in this post, whether by design or coincidence I can't say, but your entire post couldn't be better for pro-'islamic' terrorists causes if it had been issued by 'ISIS' Propagandists themselves --

-- And it is so totally misleading;

No 'faithfull Muslims' are going to be encouraged to 'go off and fight alongside their Muslim Brothers' because they would already be enlisted if that was the case, and the demons waging this 'war' are not 'Muslim brothers', they are evil terrorists pure and simple. They are actually slaying their 'Muslim brothers' and have as much in common with genuine Muslims, as the cowardly bastard who beheaded Alan Henning:

"(Reuters) - Muslim groups across Britain united on Saturday to join Prime Minister David Cameron in condemning the beheading of aid worker Alan Henning by Islamic State insurgents.
Prayers for the 47-year-old taxi driver were said in mosques throughout Britain at the start of the Muslim Eid al-Adha festival,
His case had prompted a wave of appeals for his release from British Muslim leaders.
Shuja Shafi, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain, called his murder "a despicable and offensive act".
"COWARDLY ACT"
Imam Asim Hussain of the Manchester Central Mosque said it was a "cowardly and criminal act of appalling brutality, by a group who do not represent Islam at all".

I draw your attention to; "by a group who do not represent Islam at all".

No, the only 'Muslims' who may be encouraged to join these evil bastards are those bloodthirsty, hate-filled evil scum who are already twisted, warped, evil bastards and who masquerade as Muslims.

As for; "remember that 14 year old girl who has run away to become a Jihadist wife? She has been inspired by this bombing of Muslims" --

-- this is yet more wholly misleading propaganda. She well may have been galvanised by watching footage of the war, but 'inspired' implies that she was imbued by divine influence, and she most certainly wasn't.

You might as well say that 'Tommy The Serial killer was inspired to kill 13 people after seeing news footage of Peter Sutcliffe'.

The desire to 'become a jihadist wife' was already in her. Just as the bestial blood lust is in the bastard terrorists whom you refer to as 'Muslim brothers' 'fighting a war'.

"We must recognise ISIS as a legitimate state and talk to them, just like we talked to the IRA and other terrorist organisations."

Yes -- you're absolutely right. Perhaps we should invite them all to Buckingham Palace for cucumber sandwiches and tea. Talking to them is one premise which will not work. You cannot appease these demented butchers and there really is nothing to talk about. Even if there was, because they are; "a group who do not represent Islam at all", they are not the one's we should be talking to.

In my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Well the blood Henning is on the hands of all those MP's who voted to bomb Isis

By voting for military action they effectively voted to have him beheaded

He was executed because parliament voted to bomb Isis, plain and simple. You need to ask your MP if they voted to bomb, and if so demand they resign for contributing to the execution of Henning as his blood is on their hands.

We should not be bombing them as bombing is encouraging faithful Muslims to go off and join them and fight alongside their Muslim brothers against the Americans and the British in this war on Islam, remember that 14 year old girl who has run away to become a Jihadist wife? She has been inspired by this bombing of Muslims.

We must recognise ISIS as a legitimate state and talk to them, just like we talked to the IRA and other terrorist organisations.

According to one expert on BBC Radio 4's today programme, this is what we will ultimately have to do.

Not in any way shape or form are they similar.

[kirklancaster]

Not in any way shape or form are they similar.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Ninastar]

lol @ Alan being beheaded because of us... nah, they would have killed him no matter what.

[arista]

lol @ Alan being beheaded because of us... nah, they would have killed him no matter what.

Watching his videos
he knew he was in danger



today the Times
reports that Turkey has traded British to ISIS

It appears Turkey are our Fecking Enemy

[Brother Leon]

They've raided someone's house who had just come back from Syria and was fighting for them. Right opposite my GFs house. Crazy.

[arista]

Meanwhile Turkey lets Isis
attack the Kurds

As Turkey is at war with the Kurds

Shame the USA President does not know that

[Northern Monkey]

Please tell me Sticks that you're not serious?:

"Well the blood Henning is on the hands of all those MP's who voted to bomb Isis

By voting for military action they effectively voted to have him beheaded

He was executed because parliament voted to bomb Isis, plain and simple."

War is war. The vile beheading of a bound, decent, innocent, non-combatant by evil cowards has nothing to do with war and should never be proffered as a legitimate consequence of war.

This poor man's innocent blood is on the hands of the cowards who abducted him in numbers and at gunpoint, and especially on the hands of the cowardly bastard who beheaded him.

"We should not be bombing them as bombing is encouraging faithful Muslims to go off and join them and fight alongside their Muslim brothers against the Americans and the British in this war on Islam, remember that 14 year old girl who has run away to become a Jihadist wife? She has been inspired by this bombing of Muslims."

'Faithfull Muslims', 'Muslim Brothers', 'War on Islam' and 'Inspired' - You are using subliminally emotive words in this post, whether by design or coincidence I can't say, but your entire post couldn't be better for pro-'islamic' terrorists causes if it had been issued by 'ISIS' Propagandists themselves --

-- And it is so totally misleading;

No 'faithfull Muslims' are going to be encouraged to 'go off and fight alongside their Muslim Brothers' because they would already be enlisted if that was the case, and the demons waging this 'war' are not 'Muslim brothers', they are evil terrorists pure and simple. They are actually slaying their 'Muslim brothers' and have as much in common with genuine Muslims, as the cowardly bastard who beheaded Alan Henning:

"(Reuters) - Muslim groups across Britain united on Saturday to join Prime Minister David Cameron in condemning the beheading of aid worker Alan Henning by Islamic State insurgents.
Prayers for the 47-year-old taxi driver were said in mosques throughout Britain at the start of the Muslim Eid al-Adha festival,
His case had prompted a wave of appeals for his release from British Muslim leaders.
Shuja Shafi, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain, called his murder "a despicable and offensive act".
"COWARDLY ACT"
Imam Asim Hussain of the Manchester Central Mosque said it was a "cowardly and criminal act of appalling brutality, by a group who do not represent Islam at all".

I draw your attention to; "by a group who do not represent Islam at all".

No, the only 'Muslims' who may be encouraged to join these evil bastards are those bloodthirsty, hate-filled evil scum who are already twisted, warped, evil bastards and who masquerade as Muslims.

As for; "remember that 14 year old girl who has run away to become a Jihadist wife? She has been inspired by this bombing of Muslims" --

-- this is yet more wholly misleading propaganda. She well may have been galvanised by watching footage of the war, but 'inspired' implies that she was imbued by divine influence, and she most certainly wasn't.

You might as well say that 'Tommy The Serial killer was inspired to kill 13 people after seeing news footage of Peter Sutcliffe'.

The desire to 'become a jihadist wife' was already in her. Just as the bestial blood lust is in the bastard terrorists whom you refer to as 'Muslim brothers' 'fighting a war'.

"We must recognise ISIS as a legitimate state and talk to them, just like we talked to the IRA and other terrorist organisations."

Yes -- you're absolutely right. Perhaps we should invite them all to Buckingham Palace for cucumber sandwiches and tea. Talking to them is one premise which will not work. You cannot appease these demented butchers and there really is nothing to talk about. Even if there was, because they are; "a group who do not represent Islam at all", they are not the one's we should be talking to.

In my opinion.could'nt have said it better.Excellent post:clap1:

[Sticks]

You cannot appease these demented butchers and there really is nothing to talk about. Even if there was, because they are; "a group who do not represent Islam at all", they are not the one's we should be talking to.

In my opinion.

Which is what we used to say about the IRA and the ANC.

This action by the west is not working and is giving ammunition to those who are radicalising Muslims, just like the 7/7 bombers were radicalised and inspired.

[arista]

Which is what we used to say about the IRA and the ANC.

This action by the west is not working and is giving ammunition to those who are radicalising Muslims, just like the 7/7 bombers were radicalised and inspired.


Correct Sticks



But we are where we are now.

Its going to get worst
they want to cut someones head off here in the UK
that must be stopped

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/09/1412852529983_Image_galleryImage_social_media_pict ure_of_a.JPG
[Sickening: ISIS sympathisers took to
social media to identify the
10-year-old 'cub fighter' by his
alleged nom de guerre Abu Ubaidah.
He is said to have died fighting alongside
his father in Syria in recent weeks]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2786403/The-youngest-martyr-cub-al-Baghdadi-ISIS-boasts-10-year-old-fighter-killed-went-battle-father-Syria.html#ixzz3FedKe5S4

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/09/1412852535760_wps_2_social_media_picture_of_a.jpg


Sign Of The Times

[michael21]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/09/1412852529983_Image_galleryImage_social_media_pict ure_of_a.JPG
[Sickening: ISIS sympathisers took to
social media to identify the
10-year-old 'cub fighter' by his
alleged nom de guerre Abu Ubaidah.
He is said to have died fighting alongside
his father in Syria in recent weeks]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2786403/The-youngest-martyr-cub-al-Baghdadi-ISIS-boasts-10-year-old-fighter-killed-went-battle-father-Syria.html#ixzz3FedKe5S4

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/09/1412852535760_wps_2_social_media_picture_of_a.jpg


Sign Of The Times

sure but kids have guns in the usa and some kill by mistake not good

[kirklancaster]

sure but kids have guns in the usa and some kill by mistake not good

What a sick FKing world.

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/10/8/1412764003501/Sun-newspaper-10-Oct-14-009.jpg

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/oct/08/sun-isis


[The Sun makes a bold bid to prevent Brits becoming Isis recruits
Newspaper lines up with counter-extremism Inspire's campaign]

[kirklancaster]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/10/8/1412764003501/Sun-newspaper-10-Oct-14-009.jpg

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/oct/08/sun-isis


[The Sun makes a bold bid to prevent Brits becoming Isis recruits
Newspaper lines up with counter-extremism Inspire's campaign]

A brilliant idea. I hope it has unparalleled success.

[Ninastar]

sure but kids have guns in the usa and some kill by mistake not good

yes.. but there is a HUGE difference. these kids are taught to kill and torture. The kids in america are left with guns because of their parents stupidity.

there's a difference between accidental shootings and teaching kids to kill and torture.

[Brother Leon]

520264763545489408

Only 15-20% of Kobani still in control of Isis due to heroic efforts of Kurdish Men and Women. May God bless those who fell too.

[arista]

Its the 10th Today

why post out of Date Data?

[Brother Leon]

Its the 10th Today

why post out of Date Data?


Because there hasn't been enough on those people fighting in Kobani in here. It's usually bumped when someone is beheaded, which is a small part of the fight against them. Anyway. It looks like IS have been re supplied and are now in control of around 40%. Ridiculous the lack of help for the Kurdish fighters.

Please provide instant data now please x


Maybe go there yourself to clarify too? :)

[arista]

Please provide instant data now please x


Maybe go there yourself to clarify too? :)


No CH4HD News goes Live there
and FoxNewsHD.


Next we will see Isis take over that Kobani area
as Turkey is at war with Kurds

[arista]

"Ridiculous the lack of help for the Kurdish fighters. "


No its Typical

[Brother Leon]

Upsetting image in spoiler below.


520607806689656832

[Kizzy]

Heartbreaking, that image is testament right there.. no mater what is written in any 'holy' book.

[Ninastar]

didn't read it properly, never mind

[kirklancaster]

Heartbreaking, that image is testament right there.. no mater what is written in any 'holy' book.

What? In no Holy Book does it advocate killing children? :shrug:

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/25/344981/default/v1/the-observer-2-1-720x960.jpg


go ahead and kill him
he choose to join Deadly Isis

[Kizzy]

What? In no Holy Book does it advocate killing children? :shrug:

I didn't say it did... I meant involving children in war by fundamentalists.

[lostalex]

Forrest Gump said it best... stupid is as stupid does,.