Let's Debate

[Legend]

I love a good debate me so let's debate...
Post a topic for all us to deabte about and we can, give our opinions on the matter etc..
Don't post stupid stuff like 'Is big brother good' :tongue:

So, if anyone has a good topic to debate about then please do post in here. :wink:

[Dan_]

Okay then.Should the death penalty be brought back?

[Legend]

I've just done this for my English Speaking Coursework. :tongue: I was against it for many reasons...

Innocent people dying because of it, it's the easy way out for criminals; IMO, they should face what they've done and do life in prision rather than a 10 seconds execution, they could come out at the end of it a better person, it could have been done in self-defence and the only way they could stop themself being killed was to actually kill the person etc and many more reasons for why i'm against it. The main one being is that it's been proven that innocent people have died because of it.

I know the death penalty is used for other crimes but i was refering to murder above ^^ but i'm really against it, it definatly shouldn't be brought back.

Your opinion?

[J.C.]

Originally posted by BB fernzy
Okay then.Should the death penalty be brought back?

Personally I think no to the death penalty, But could probably argue for and against because its a close call.We are a product of our genetic breeding and we are the results of social conditioning,so although there is no understandable excuse for the most violent , most of their problems were created at a far younger age and could also be genetic in some way.Paedos for example should be locked away for a very long time,but we must not forget that most of these monsters were abused themselves.we can do much more to protect society but I don`t think we can kill them???? I am told that the country would vote for it, but parliament will not ...quite.

[Dan_]

I pretty much agree with what you have Legend.

I have been in favour of it in the past but just recently, in fact this week with Ian Huntley trying to kill himself, it's pretty much a way out and it's no better than what they have done really, what right does a judge or whoever have to say on who lives and dies.I just seem it as inhumane and basically setting a bad example like you kill someone so we take your life.

The person who has done the crime should face up to what they have done and spend the rest of their time in prison thinking of what they have done and the pain and suffering that they have caused.

Like you said innocent people do end up dying because of the death penalty which is totally unfair, there have been cases of years down the line they have found further evidence or someone has come forward and confessed to prove it was not the person who had been executed and what a waste of a life that is.As bad as prison might be there is no bringing back someone that has been murdered, the innocent person can be freed from prison but there is just no way back with the death penalty.

Some people years down the line have mended their ways too, like the case of the guy in America who was in gangs and ended up killing someone but had wrote books warning people on the dangers on getting involved in gangs, he ended up being executed but there was a lot of public support for him and they obviously felt he had become a reformed character and should be spared the death penalty.

Overally my main reasons for not wanting it back are because it's an easy way out and I really do not agree with the taking of another person's life even though they have killed someone else or commited another heinous crime, it's just not setting a good example in my book, that's just more along the lines of retribution.Let them have a hard life and face up to what they have done is my view.

[ThaGazBoi]

I think Yes for the death penatly back.

There are people out there (Ian Huntley to name but a few) who kill people, and I think that in return they should be killed. If you take a life your life should be taken too.

I do, however, Feel that the death penatly should only be used in extreme cases (Mainly to do with Children from Murdering them to Molesting them). I dont think that the death penatly should be used for Murder unless they are serial killer then I think they should get the death penatly because of the fact they have taken so many innocent lifes.

BB Fernzy, It might not be setting a good example, but are the people commiting such crimes setting a good example?

[James]

I think the principle of an eye-for-an-eye is reasonable and can be justified. Mainly on the grounds that someone who does something against someone else should be willing to have the same done to them in return. If not they shouldn't commit the act in the first place.

However I am not in favour of capital punishment for two reasons:

Firstly, as has been mentioned the punishment cannot be reversed in the cases where someone is proven innocent and secondly the process of execution is inhuman and distasteful.

[Legend]

I don't agree with 'a life for a life' because most murderes have nothing for live for anyway so them getting killed wouldn't bother them, i'm sure most would rather be killed off rather than spend the rest of there life facing up to it in prision. I think people should have to live with what they have done for the rest of their lives, i think they should take some responsibility for it and be made to suffer inside and not be given the easy route out which is death. As it's been proven, most people serving life in prision try or do commite suicide because they can't handle life in prision which is why simply killing people off is a big no in my opinion. I'd rather the murderer suffer for the rest of their lives just like the family of the victim is going to suffer without the victim.

[Legend]

Also, i know that if i had been murdered *touch wood* then i would rather know that my killer is rotting away in jail, i'd get more satisfaction out of that than the fact the he/she had just been killed off and is now dead.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by CrazyGazza
I think Yes for the death penatly back.

There are people out there (Ian Huntley to name but a few) who kill people, and I think that in return they should be killed. If you take a life your life should be taken too.

I do, however, Feel that the death penatly should only be used in extreme cases (Mainly to do with Children from Murdering them to Molesting them). I dont think that the death penatly should be used for Murder unless they are serial killer then I think they should get the death penatly because of the fact they have taken so many innocent lifes.

BB Fernzy, It might not be setting a good example, but are the people commiting such crimes setting a good example?

Of course not but I feel they should just rot in jail rather than having the easy way out.I just don't agree with the retribution idea of you've killed someone so we will kill you.

[Diablo]

Dunno about the death penalty but when it copmes to animal cruelty whatever these morons to do animals should get done back to them.

See how they like getting tied to a tree and shot repeatedly with an airgun, or havin a firework shoved up their ass!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Ella]

What are your views on abortion???

I dont agree with it, the only case i would agree with it is if the girl was raped.

Ive heard cases of girls having abortions because they were drunk, or they cant afford to bring up the child, that makes me so angry i mean, if your drunk then that just a pathetic excuse, i mean these girls should go on the pill, or take condoms out with them, i mean as far as im concerened abortion is murder, i feel VERY strongly about this.

[Jay]

I don't agree on abortion, have the baby if you don't want the baby when its born then let someone who can't have kids adopt it.

[sol]

View on the Death Penalty: No I don't want the death penalty brought back because many people on death row in America are innocent and have been wrongly convicted. If the death penalty came back here the same might happen, atleast with jail a guilty person still has to have life behind bars, but atleast an innocent person won't die. If you see what I mean.

Views on abortion: Generally, I don't agree with abortion. I only agree with abortion if:

A. The mother became pregnant because she was raped.
B. The family will be seriously effected either financially or mentally.
C. The child will be neglected or won't be cared for properly.
D. The child will be so physically or mentally disabled that they will be born into a life of misery.

[LittleMissC]

It's difficult... I think it's wrong to not let someone have a chance at life, but equally my dad was adopted and he hates the not knowing... y'know, if the girl really can't look after the child, I think it's okay to abort it, or they coul;d have a really unhappy life. Sometimes it can be really hard- I mean, my mum would have aborted meh if my nan hadn't stopped her, she was really depressed. But if the girl has the stability to cope with a baby, she should seriously think before rushing into an abortion- she might really regret it, and it's pretty unfair on the child.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by sol
View on the Death Penalty: No I don't want the death penalty brought back because many people on death row in America are innocent and have been wrongly convicted. If the death penalty came back here the same might happen, atleast with jail a guilty person still has to have life behind bars, but atleast an innocent person won't die. If you see what I mean.

Views on abortion: Generally, I don't agree with abortion. I only agree with abortion if:



A. The mother became pregnant because she was raped.
B. The family will be seriously effected either financially or mentally.
C. The child will be neglected or won't be cared for properly.
D. The child will be so physically or mentally disabled that they will be born into a life of misery.

I feel that there is a better way for B. and C.I would prefer to have been adopted than aborted. Wouldn`t we all ?? There are many decent childless parents whose dreams could come true.The question is when do we get rights.I think it should be that moment of creation,Tho I can understand A,and just about D. depending on severity.

[sol]

Yes I agree, B and C could be solved by adoption. However, I think that with A and D you should be allowed to abort.

[BigSister]

No i dont agree with abortion only if the girl was raped or if they found out early on about D and if the family wouldnt want to keep it only if I was A i would abort the other 3 i would prob adopt or keep

[Legend]

I agree with Abortion because i think people should have a choice to whether they want to bring somebody into the world or not. Everyone makes mistakes and unfourtanetly things like that happen but it's not necceserally 'people' who loose there lives because untill they are born then IMO, there not a person.

Even if a girl has just been careless and has got pregnant, they shouldn't be made to keep the baby because they made 1 mistake, they should have the option of whether to keep it or abort it.

I 100% agree with abortion in all cases.

[Siouxsie]

Abortion depends on the individuals circumstances. (Good thread Lefend)It makes a change posting decent chat :xyxwave:

[Sticks]

Can we debate as to whether this thread is appropriate to this forum as both the topics of capital punnishment and abortion, (and I am not going to be drawn on those issues), can draw quite a lot of heat and one one forum I am a member, such topics are banned because of that.

[Siouxsie]

WE can if you want to sticks.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Sticks
Can we debate as to whether this thread is appropriate to this forum as both the topics of capital punnishment and abortion, (and I am not going to be drawn on those issues), can draw quite a lot of heat and one one forum I am a member, such topics are banned because of that.

If it get's too heated it can be locked, as it those debating have done so in a sensible manner.