Poll: Considering The Evidence Is Rooney Still "World Class"??

[Legend killer]

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Original thread http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248448

The Evidence being his legendary big game performances vs Bayern Munich and last nights epic vs Italy

Considering the evidence I think he is even further away from being world class then I thought when the question was originally posted

Thoughts???

[GiRTh]

Easily England's worst player last night. I think others have overshadowed him to such an extent that we need to seriously consider if Rooney fits into the style of play. He is definitely not World class atm

[Legend killer]

Is Wayne even English world class is another question for debate?? I would suggest no is the answer for that question aswell

[Legend killer]

Easily England's worst player last night. I think others have overshadowed him to such an extent that we need to seriously consider if Rooney fits into the style of play. He is definitely not World class atm

Agreed with Stevie and Leighton being a close 2nd and 3rd respectably. When Jordan Henderson makes you look like Tom Cleverly you really should think about your footballing career sadly for Stevie

[GiRTh]

Agreed with Stevie and Leighton being a close 2nd and 3rd respectably. When Jordan Henderson makes you look like Tom Cleverly you really should think about your footballing career sadly for Stevie
Gerrard was limping after about 65-70 minutes so not sure if he was fully fit. Baines was garbage partly due to Rooney selfishly not helping him out but agree those two were close 2nd and 3rd. Baines looked better when Lallana came on.

For me, last night showed that England have enough similar kind of players to play this system without Rooney. Roy would be very brave to drop him though.

[Legend killer]

Gerrard was limping after about 65-70 minutes so not sure if he was fully fit. Baines was garbage partly due to Rooney selfishly not helping him out but agree those two were close 2nd and 3rd. Baines looked better when Lallana came on.

For me, last night showed that England have enough similar kind of players to play this system without Rooney. Roy would be very brave to drop him though.

Agreed but he is being paid big money to make aid decisions so time to give those balls a shine and drop fatty

[Ryan57]

Easily England's worst player last night. I think others have overshadowed him to such an extent that we need to seriously consider if Rooney fits into the style of play. He is definitely not World class atm

How was he the worst player? He set up a goal and was played out of position.

Baines who did an Andre Santos impression all night and Steven 'He can be our Pirlo' Gerrard were worse.

[MTVN]

Drop the twat, he is going to cost us qualification

[Alf]

How was he the worst player? He set up a goal and was played out of position.

Baines who did an Andre Santos impression all night and Steven 'He can be our Pirlo' Gerrard were worse.
Baines was isolated all game due to the fact we had no left midfielder, the Italian full backs had a walk in the park and enough time and space to have a picnic when Italy had possession.

It was the same on both sides of the field because until Sterling went out onto the right hand side we had no right midfielder either, but Italy didn't attack down England's right as much as the left, so Baines had much more defending to do compared to Johnson.

It was good tactics by Italy to attack down Baines side because that meant Baines didn't get the opportunity to get forward because he was always defending.

[Legend killer]

How was he the worst player? He set up a goal and was played out of position.

Baines who did an Andre Santos impression all night and Steven 'He can be our Pirlo' Gerrard were worse.

Not an excuse i'm afraid has played that position a lot the last 2-3 years. Doesn't take a world class player to have the IQ to run back and help your fullback ask Park Ji Sung

The funny is thing is in his "postion" he is just as rubbish for somebody world class I would expect them to be able to control a ball and make a 5 yard pass

ps: any one else laugh when fatty took that corner that went into row z??

[Legend killer]

****ing lol at the votes glad TIBB have opened there eyes to what fatty really is

[Alf]

The modern day football fan is so negative, always looking for the negatives in players, always singling out and blaming an individual in a team game.

[Legend killer]

A team game it is but in most cases individuals win you games and with Wayne he is more likely to win the game for the opposition then his own team

[joeysteele]

Sorry but I have never rated Wayne Rooney,I don;t see him as world class.

No doubt he has talent and the skill but for me he just rarely delivers in the big games.

Having said that, now watch him bang in 4 goals against Uruguay.

[Alf]

A team game it is but in most cases individuals win you games and with Wayne he is more likely to win the game for the opposition then his own team
Come on LK that ball to Sturridge for the goal was class, It was put on a plate washed in fairy liquid.

What you have to remember is Rooney is the main and maybe only threat to the opposition and so is usually a marked man. To free him up England need another World class threat to the opposition, I just don't think teams fear the likes of Sturridge and Welbeck, maybe putting Barkley in from the start would give Rooney a bit more space.

[Legend killer]

Shag the ball was good but let's be honest with the time he had to do it and the proximity of a defender to him I would expect Ashley to do likewise the real special moment came with Sterling's ball the Wayne

And don't give me any of this rubbish about him marked closely lol. I watch United week in week out and Wayne has not been man marked/marked tightly consistently for 2 years. With England I have genuinely never seen him man marked as he doesn't have the pace or touch to put fear into the opposition simple as

[Ryan57]

Not an excuse i'm afraid has played that position a lot the last 2-3 years. Doesn't take a world class player to have the IQ to run back and help your fullback ask Park Ji Sung

The funny is thing is in his "postion" he is just as rubbish for somebody world class I would expect them to be able to control a ball and make a 5 yard pass

ps: any one else laugh when fatty took that corner that went into row z??

The likes of Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo and Robben wouldn't run back consistently either.

All because it's Rooney... criticise. :smug:

Telling me if this was Nan Bread for United you'd be criticising? No...

You'd be saying it's not his job to run back.

Where is your criticism of Nani's pathetic performance for Portugal? Where was your criticism of the world class £28 million man Marouane Fellaini last season? The 'Toure destroyer'?

[Tarryn]

Fellaini doing so well yesterday was a real kick in the teeth for a Man U fan like me who watched him do nothing all last season.
My only hop is that it's added to his price tag so we can sell him for more than 15 million.
Getting back to Rooney. He is the only player that other teams & managers always talk about when referring to England. So if he is not world class he is the closest we have to it.
If he did not play for United he would not get so much hate. It was the same with Beckham.
Steven Gerrard has not been on form but the media gloss over that.
The Liverpool-love-in from the press is way over the top.
Welbeck played really good Saturday yet got no credit.
It's always about Sturridge.

[Legend killer]

The likes of Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo and Robben wouldn't run back consistently either.

All because it's Rooney... criticise. :smug:

Telling me if this was Nan Bread for United you'd be criticising? No...

You'd be saying it's not his job to run back.

Where is your criticism of Nani's pathetic performance for Portugal? Where was your criticism of the world class £28 million man Marouane Fellaini last season? The 'Toure destroyer'?

MICHAELJORDNANLAUGHING.GIF You have the nerve to come at me whist putting fatty in the sentence as the above player just lol FACEPALM. If Wayne gave out at least 30% of the attacking output those guys did then maybe he would get a pass. However he doesn't so needs to pull up his Ji Sung Park socks and help his defence smh

Again another pointless comment. If you actually watched the games you ould know that Nani does more then his fair share of yards helping the fullback so what's your point BRA.

Nani who has had little to know gametime the last 4-5 months in bad game SHOCKER lol facepalm. Is this the same gam his team were 10 men down whilst getting hammered 4-0 with the WPOTY also having a "pathetic performance"??. The fact is if you ask any Portuguese fan about Nani they will tell you he is one of there best performers regularly outperforming Ronnie

One bad performance against Toure (was still our best midfielder) does not change him dominating him the last 2-3 years so again pointless from you

[Ryan57]

I didn't put them in the same sentence as Rooney. You mentioned Ji-Sung Park can track back therefore any player can. I gave three players who wouldn't do that. Again, you jump to your wild conclusions.

So, okay for Nani, who's played in Portugal's last three friendlies, but not competitive games for a while, to put in a stinker... however it's not alright for Rooney, who was fooked up by the world's greatest manager in David Moyes, to put in a bad performance when played out of position?

Also, I'm more on about what Nani did prior to Portugal going down to 10 men.

[Legend killer]

I didn't put them in the same sentence as Rooney. You mentioned Ji-Sung Park can track back therefore any player can. I gave three players who wouldn't do that. Again, you jump to your wild conclusions.

So, okay for Nani, who's played in Portugal's last three friendlies, but not competitive games for a while, to put in a stinker... however it's not alright for Rooney, who was fooked up by the world's greatest manager in David Moyes, to put in a bad performance when played out of position?

Also, I'm more on about what Nani did prior to Portugal going down to 10 men.

Oh SORRY did Nani not meet your expectations in those 36 mins

MICHAELJORDANLAUGHING.GIF

Oh he played in not 1 not 2 but 3 FRIENDLIES in 3-4 months LOOOOL I take back what I said i'm surprised he was not fatigued with such a work load

MICHAELJORDANLUAGHING.GIF

Was Fatty ****ed up by Fergie when he stunk up world and euros in previous years aswell

MICHAELJORDANLAUGHING.GIF

What POINTLESS POINTLESS comments use your head not your heart when coming at me BRA I don't have time for your tampons and tears a just deal with facts and stats

[Ryan57]

Actually, yes, he was fooked up by Fergie. Fergie fooked up his 2010 World Cup due to the over reliance on him.

[Legend killer]

And the three players who you mentioned give 50-60% THE ATTACKING OUTPUT Fatty gives as I pointed out.

I used Ji as an example as that is the sort of class player Fatty is among (dis-service to Ji tbh as he shows up in big games) so he really has no reason not to help back

[Legend killer]

Actually, yes, he was fooked up by Fergie. Fergie fooked up his 2010 World Cup due to the over reliance on him.

MICHAELJORDANLAUGHING.GIF

What a terrible excuse please go. Messi and Ronaldo laugh at Fatty's "workload" ****ing lol at that excuse

[Legend killer]

What about Portugal over reliance on Nani as an excuse??? As you pointed out he played 3 YES 3 FRIENDLIES prior to the WC

MICHAELJORDANLAUGHING.GIF

[Ryan57]

MICHAELJORDANLAUGHING.GIF

What a terrible excuse please go. Messi and Ronaldo laugh at Fatty's "workload" ****ing lol at that excuse

SMH. Let's leave things there. Clearly your hatred for Rooney effects your memory.

[Legend killer]

No hatred just honesty. Wayne is an average player who had the talent to be more . Some of the blame for him not reaching that potential lies on him for being a fat wanker whilst some lays on Fergie for coaching that raw talent out of him.

Your emotional filled defence of him is making you seem more like Colleen then just a football fan and is quite cringe worthy tbh fix up for **** sake

[Legend killer]

The only positive for Wayne out of the Italy game is it was not as bad as his Bayern Munich "performances" smh glad to see TIBB has seen the light on Wayne

[Samuel.]

Come on LK that ball to Sturridge for the goal was class, It was put on a plate washed in fairy liquid.

What you have to remember is Rooney is the main and maybe only threat to the opposition and so is usually a marked man. To free him up England need another World class threat to the opposition, I just don't think teams fear the likes of Sturridge and Welbeck, maybe putting Barkley in from the start would give Rooney a bit more space.

So much disrespect to Sturridge in this post

[Ryan57]

Hardly defending. Just don't think he was the worst player on the pitch. It's typical of this nation's media to crucify Rooney yet ignore Gerrard's performance completely.

The best thing would be for Rooney to get dropped and England will still play dire football. So then the media and our deluded fans realise Woy is a dire choice as manager.

When we go out, Rooney will be blamed. Easy scapegoat instead of the true cause of why we're crap.

[Legend killer]

As I said in another thread Stevie was just as bad HOWEVER your missing a couple key things here

Stevie is well past his best whilst Fatty is suppose to be in his prime

Just look at the original thread people actually have the nerve tout Wayne in that world class bracket when he clearly is not

That's why he gets rightly ridiculed

[Locke.]

Come on LK that ball to Sturridge for the goal was class, It was put on a plate washed in fairy liquid.

What you have to remember is Rooney is the main and maybe only threat to the opposition and so is usually a marked man. To free him up England need another World class threat to the opposition, I just don't think teams fear the likes of Sturridge and Welbeck, maybe putting Barkley in from the start would give Rooney a bit more space.

Teams don't fear the highest scoring English striker over the past 2 years?

Rooney is a bigger name, sure. He's probably the most recognizable name on the England teamsheet for foreigners, but any team that have done their homework will know that Sturridge is the one to fear in and around the box.

[Legend killer]

Also this thread is not a thread reviewing Wayne vs Italy. This thread is focused on the view that Wayne is world class and if you think he is based on his performances for us the last couple of years shudders at THAT BAYERN PERFORMANCE you have a screw loose and genuinely hope you get the help you need

[Ryan57]

As I said in another thread Stevie was just as bad HOWEVER your missing a couple key things here

Stevie is well past his best whilst Fatty is suppose to be in his prime

Just look at the original thread people actually have the nerve tout Wayne in that world class bracket when he clearly is not

That's why he gets rightly ridiculed

If Lampard had put in the performance Gerrard did, he'd of been crucified. Past his best also, but he wouldn't of been given a free ride.

Our nation always looks for a scapegoat. Singling out Rooney is an excellent one. Our nation always has an excuse every single tournament. Rooney not being dropped will be the one for this World Cup.

[Legend killer]

Locke calm down love we all saw Daniel and his deadly work round the box vs Hondurus let's not act like he is good finisher however he is along with Raheem England's biggest threats

[Locke.]

Sturridge's finishing > Roy Keane's tackling

PLS CONFIRM LK

[Ryan57]

Also this thread is not a thread reviewing Wayne vs Italy. This thread is focused on the view that Wayne is world class and if you think he is based on his performances for us the last couple of years shudders at THAT BAYERN PERFORMANCE you have a screw loose and genuinely hope you get the help you need

I still think that he can rediscover form if played as the main man upfront. I thought he could do a job as a number 10, I was wrong. Has to be played as a main striker and a main striker only. His best form for United has been when he's been played as the main man.

[Legend killer]

If Lampard had put in the performance Gerrard did, he'd of been crucified. Past his best also, but he wouldn't of been given a free ride.

Our nation always looks for a scapegoat. Singling out Rooney is an excellent one. Our nation always has an excuse every single tournament. Rooney not being dropped will be the one for this World Cup.

Ryan all joking aside your sounding like Colleen stick a tampon in it already

Are United fans on a biased crusade against Rooney aswell for his shambolic displays for us aswell??

[Legend killer]

Roy would take Daniel in a 100m dash

PLS CONFIRM LOCKE

[Ryan57]

Ryan all joking aside your sounding like Colleen stick a tampon in it already

Are United fans on a biased crusade against Rooney aswell for his shambolic displays for us aswell??

*Sigh* There really is very little point ever replying in a thread of yours.

[Legend killer]

So basically we have to change the whole way we play and how we play just so Wayne can play his best. Well i'm sorry he is not Ronnnie Messi or Pogba that has the quality to demand such a change

No doubt you a probably right however he needs to find a smaller club that is able to rotate there whole scheme to suit him to maximise his potential

[Legend killer]

*Sigh* There really is very little point ever replying in a thread of yours.

THEN DON'T as I have told Leon many times if you don't like it put me on ignore and stop crying(however unlike him actually follow through with putting me on ignore rather then threating to do so). If you can't handle the heat get out the kitchen so to speak

[Legend killer]

Luis just highlighted the difference be world class and English class

Good on Wayne though played better and managed to score an open goal

[Achilles]

He has never been world class. But he has always been a very good player relative to other English players.

[Alf]

Teams don't fear the highest scoring English striker over the past 2 years?

Rooney is a bigger name, sure. He's probably the most recognizable name on the England teamsheet for foreigners, but any team that have done their homework will know that Sturridge is the one to fear in and around the box.
Yeah your right, absolute predator.